Transaxle cars are the coolest - The Carmudgeon Show - Ep. 20
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- Опубліковано 28 жов 2024
- Having a transaxle is one of the most reliable signs that a car is cool. At least that’s the theory - and we’re not talking about front-wheel-drive cars here. In this episode, Derek and Jason discuss front-engine, rear-wheel-drive cars that have their transmission mounted in back.
There are only a handful of transaxle sedans ever made, and they’re all cool. There are only slightly more sports cars engineered with this layout. Why? There are benefits (weight distribution) but drawbacks (packaging).
Allegedly overcaffeinated, Jason pulls out Wikipedia’s list of every transaxle car ever made, and then goes on a rant about hating the Porsche 928. Which just allows Derek to go on a rant about how great Lancia was. Only a Carmudgeon could go on a rant about something positive.
But the boys cover them all: the Porsche 924, 944, 968, and 928; Lancia Flaminia, Aston Martin Rapide, Lancia Aurelia, Nissan GT-R, De Deion Bouton, Stutz Bearcat, Bugatti Type 46, Skoda Popular, Pegaso Z102, DAF 600, Pontiac Tempest, Ferrari 275, Ferrari 400, Ferrari 365 GTC/4, Ferrari 330 2+2, Volvo 300-series, Alfa Romeo Alfetta, GTV6, Milano, 75, SZ, and RZ, Panoz Esperante, Plymouth Prowler, Shelby Series 1, Maserati Coupe and Spyder, Alfa Romeo 8C, and of course the Lexus LF-A.
Plus, Jason tries to educate Derek on the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
The Carmudgeon Show is a comedic, information-filled conversation with Jason Cammisa and Derek Tam-Scott, two car enthusiasts who are curmudgeonly beyond their years. Proving you don’t have to be old to be grumpy, they spend each episode talking about what’s wrong with various parts of the automotive universe. Despite their best efforts to keep it negative, they usually wind up laughing, happy, and extolling their love for cars. Which just makes them angrier and more bitter.
Jason Cammisa is an automotive journalist, social-media figure, and TV host with over 250 million views on UA-cam alone. Jason’s deeply technical understanding, made possible by a lifelong obsession with cars, allows him to fully digest what’s going on within an automobile - and then put it into simple terms for others to understand. Also, a Master’s Degree in Law trained him to be impossible to argue with.
Derek Tam-Scott still tries. He’s a young automotive expert with old-man taste in cars, and a Master’s Degree in Civil Engineering - which means he knows how to be civil to Jason. Or at least he tries. With a decade and a half’s experience buying, selling, driving and brokering classic and exotic cars, he’s experienced the world’s most iconic cars. And hated most of them.
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jason's train of thought leading from rocky horror picture show to transmissions is actually the greatest description of ADHD anyone has ever put to film
It reminds me of why my ex left me: My brain playing car noises while she wanted to rant about RuPaul's Drag Race
@@gkky_ This is the most relatable thing I've ever seen in a youtube comment section well done.
As a reluctant but permanent subscriber to ADHD, I endorse this endorsement. 👍
I guess I am kind of randomly asking but does anyone know a good site to watch new movies online?
Derek: "What if I don't want to talk about the same topic."
Me: ...continues on as if Hyphen said nothing. 😏
At what episode does the jizz pearl Audi I threw a bid on vanish
Classic signore Cammisa.
Lancia, please!
The volvo 340 was developped by daf before volvo buying daf and rebaged them. Thats why they could have in first years renault engine like daf 66 and more importanly belt driven cvt transmision as they used in daf since the 60's. It was known to be a grandma car as a small cheap automatic. Plus there was some daf reverse gear race in holland as they go as fast as going forward. Look for it on youtube!
You got rid of the e-Golf? What did you get as a DD replacement?
I turned 31 recently and I was kind of feeling bummed out.
But listening to this made me feel young again.
Thank you Jason!
Happy birthday! Stay inside!
@@JasonCammisa No way "the" Jason actually replied to me!
Man these videos are awesome!
Thanks and all the best for Issimi!
Wait until you're 50 if you think you're old now.
@@Gandalf721 it was a joke Mr Gandalf. Ahahah
The Tempest did have independent rear suspension, and rather than a rigid torque tube they used what an old friend referred to as “reinforced speedometer cable drive.”
Pontiac called it rope drive. The Tempest was extremely clever, if not executed very well.
Jason, you and Derek could spend an episode talking about the fauna of Iceland, and it would be interesting, informative and intelligent. Thank-you for your series.
Iceland has some dope fauna, bad example, but nice point. Even their horses are special.
Since the C5, all Corvettes has a transaxle, up to the C8, meaning C5, C6 & C7's.
Wrong c5 and c6 doesn't have transaxle, only c7 have.
Riste Kostadinov no, the C5 and C6 both use a rigid torque tube and a rear mounted transaxle. Do a search, there are plenty of photos showing the driveline layout.
oh, neat!
IIRC they also used solid axles in the back, which they couldn't think of an example with that combo.
Oh yeah, a vote for an episode on Lancia!
Did Derek Tam Hyphen Scott just imply Ferrari likes some junk in the trunk with a straight face?
Glorious
My 2003 Maserati Coupe GT has a 6 speed manual transaxle. Basically the manual version of your Quattroporte
I’m so glad I was late to the party for this show; now I can just binge it all at work.
"Non me ne frega un cazzo" perfectly executed, Derek. I'm proud of you. From Italy with ❤️
Pontiac Tempest is amazing. It was a Y-Body - so Corvair platform (rear engined, independent suspension all around).
John Z DeLorean (and who else could it be?) needed a "small car" (for American iron in the late 1950s) for Pontiac, and wanted it to be front engined, so...
1. They sawed the 389 V8 in half and made the "Trophy 4" and put it in the front, tilted longitudinal so that the back of the engine was downward. It displaced 3.2l! I4!
2. Connected it by a flexible driveshaft they called the "rope drive" to
3. Rear Transaxle
Because it was a FR set up with independent suspension and excellent weight balance it (supposedly) dominated the domestic SCCA classes in the early to mid 60s.
Sadly, a lot of them have been converted to more conventional solid axle V-8 configurations because it was only the first 3 model years were that configuration - making them difficult to find parts for and service. And also... muscle car go fast type things. Shame. They're really cool.
You two are my favorite UA-cam channel. It seems obvious but watching two friends discuss cars is wildly entertaining. And props for trying to keep working during this trying time.
As a car geek this is the only show I watch where I learn stuff. As a Brit I love Top Gear, which I've watched since the 1970s, but this show is Nivarna. Keep up the great work guys!
I think you missed Alfa 75 transaxle sedan. Unless you consider it as an Alfetta derivative.
Nice show as always.
We mention it in the episode. It was called the Milano in the US.
@@Dtamscott 👍
And from the same era the predcessor of 75/Milano the Giulietta Nuova and the successor of the Alfetta the Alfa 90
And Alfetta was called 'Alfetta' to remindes us the great voiturette car and winner of the first 2 F1 championship the old good Tipo 158 and its later derivative the Tipo 159. They used the transaxle arrangement and the DeDion axle at the rear in 1938 and were succesful until 1951. For 1952 a new formula entered into force which made them eliminated from the Grand Prix scene. And they were called Alfetta (small Alfa) back in the time since they used a small 1.5 litre straight-8 engine compared to the pre-war Grand Prix cars with larger engine capacity. Naming the new sedan of 70's was a salute to the famous racecar with the same layout.
Just when I was binging these I was blessed with another. You guys know me so well
holy shit i'm Italian and i burst out laughing at that "eeh non me ne frega una cazzo" at 48:46, that was PERFECT
Great episode. Loved that Lancia speech by Derek and Jason's explanation of Germans losing track of what their brands represent
German management is some of the worst. VW could of made a small truck with the TDi or an AllTrack wagon with a TDi engine. 40mpg on the freeway. They would have killed the competition.
@@martingardens When German car companies listen to the majority of their customers and listen to consumer focus groups they lose what made their cars great in the first place. BMW had better make an entry level manual transmission rear drive only car that is relatively light. They've done it before. Then if they truly worked on reliability, enthusiasts would return. As it stands, they've lost what used to be their core buyer.
@@martingardens The Amarok is what americans call a small truck, and it has a Diesel V6, and the alltrack versions of the Golf and Passat were available with Diesels in europe too. So the Alltrack wagon you mentions exist(ed).
With every passing episode you’re pushing me that much closer to wanting a prefacelift Quattroporte V.
that Rockymount... to transaxles connection: and you have just earned yourself the thumbs up, and only 3min 32 seconds in this week.
The fastest passing 55 minutes in the last 15 days, awesome show guys! Every time I see a new episode in my feed I click on it in a heartbeat.
The Ford RS200 is mid engined with a gearbox at the front, so kind of an opposite to the GT-R
That's good
Thank you very much for the content Derek and Jason , much needed during these unprecedented times
Love this... also Tempest... also engine moves aft (“front-mid”).... and where is the Marisa Tomei quote from my cousin vinnie
"I need coffee, it's been an hour" Aging sure is like that.
I believe the comment demonstrates more "sarcasm" than it does "aging." Maybe you're too young to understand sarcasm? ;)
@@JasonCammisa Love the show, my new favorite by a long shot.
audio levels have been fixed. thanks.
2:43 wow that escalated quickly
We need an episode where Jason Camisa sings every song from Rocky Horror in order while DT hyphen S reacts and judges his performance.
The Alfa GTV6 did have inboard brakes with a transaxle. You say they were problematic, but they worked well enough to win 4 European Touring Car championships in a row.
The GT-R doesn't send the power back forward under the engine, the secondary driveshaft is next to the engine as the differential is attached to the side of the block. The output shaft goes under the engine (and through the oil pan), so that is the item that the engine needed to clear vertically. It actually isn't that surprising when you consider the layout of the R32/33/34 to begin with. The diff was attached to the side of the engine and the output shaft passed through the oil pan on that car as well, and there was a similiarly-located secondary driveshaft coming forward from the center diff at the back of the "usual" FR transmission location (much the same as trucks and the AWD layouts that BMW and the Porsche Panamera use, for example). So essentially Nissan did a cut-and-paste with the gearbox, sliding it back into the diff, and stretched that secondary driveshaft out to fit. It's still an oddball layout, but not as far removed from the earlier generations as it would seem at first glance.
And yes, you can have a transaxle without independent rear suspension, as you showed earlier in the video with the DeDion axle under the Alfa GTV6.
Regarding the 928: it was not just to replace the 911, but essentially Porsche was going to "split" the 911 market. The 944 would be the sports car and the 928 would be the GT car, instead of trying to do both at once with the 911. And arguably, the 944 (especially the turbo) was a better sports car than the 911 and the 928 was a better GT car than the 911. But yes, they are a pain in the ass to work on 😂😂.
Cough cough...and now with our usual programming with cough hyphen Scott
37:55 - I remember riding in the back of a 928 that my dad was test driving when I was little (seriously...like...5...lol) and having my little boy brain BLOWN by the rear AC. lol
Derek talking about early Lancias is definition of passion
22:45 I think that's an American thing. Euro E90s could roll the windows up or down with the fob, but we could only roll them down. And I think I saw some cabrios could do the same with the top.
Can you do a video on which cars from the past decade will become future classics
Oh that's an interesting one! I'll add it to the list; thank you!
First Transaxle Cars which came to my mind are the AMG SLS and GT. - Great Video in boring times! Thank you for the entertainment!
We put an interior wiper in our Volvo 740 24Hours of Lemons car when we couldn't get the defroster to work. You'll see it in the 2018 Autobahn Country Club Recap
My father chose a Lancia Beta Sedan over an Alfa Giulietta with the transaxle back in 1979 for the only reason that as a 5 year old I couldn't stand between the seats in the Alfa....gotta love 70s parenting!
You guys started talking about transaxle, which reminded me of the Aston Martin Vantage V8/V12S, which reminded me of Tavarish, which reminded me of his new UA-cam series, Car Trek, which he's doing with Ed Bolian and Tyler Hoover. I'd like to see a collaboration between them and you two young old farts.
Make it so!
...please?
A little too early in the day for a Carmudgeon video, not that I'm complaining. Always lovely to hear Jason bitching about all things cars, which is all the more welcome in times of quarantine. Stay safe and quarantined, Jason and Hyphen.
It'll still be here to watch later!
@@JasonCammisa *trying to act all cool after Jason replied*
I like chaotic Jason, keep him that way, live for that
I have made up an entire fictional car company where most of the models are based on a front-engine/rear transaxle layout, because I already KNEW that was the best. (PS all the engines are boxers too ;) )
Last episode, the SUV one, never made it on Google podcasts apparently! Went to listen today (bit late I know) and it wasn't there
There was a problem with the provider we use to upload them. It should be all fixed now. Sorry for the inconvenience. 😊👍
Mr hyphen, that "non me ne frega un cazzo" was flawless.
Only in a Jason Cammisa video can you come for a certain thing and end up listening about drag queens, best drug prices and etc. Love these two.
While I appreciate Jason’s love it VW’s, saying a front wheel drive VW is the ultimate burn out machine is ridiculous. A FWD burnout is like masturbation - not as good as the real thing.
Jason, if this car thing doesn't pan out, I see a new career for you as a song-and-dance man.
The 924 had a wonderful, neutral balance to it.
At 36:49- Chains do not stretch. Their pins and contact surfaces wear. Hardly anyone gets this right. End of rant. Thanks for another fun one to get us through our current house-bound state.
Doug Robinson any cyclist knows this, thanks!
Alfetta, Alfetta GTV, Giulietta, Alfa 90, and Alfa 75/Milano all had front engine rear transmission transaxle configuration.
Damn it Jason, now I can't get that song out of my head.........."Let's do timewarp again.."
Did you guys seriously list all of those cars and not mention that the C5, C6, and C7 Corvette's are all transaxle!?!?!?!
They did in the beginning
I love when a kid has car culture. I also hate the complicated cars because they're re better as posters than workhorses
Jason, would you have a transaxle QP5 and put up with the CambioCorsa or one with a conventional layout and the ZF ?
The DAF and the Volvo are interesting because they are to all intents and purposes the most interesting Dutch designed/built mass produced cars. Except perhaps the Volvo 490, that is also interesting. The DAF is also interesting because it is the first (mass produced?) CVT car.
I have to agree with Ferrari and say that a rear bias is best for handling (for me I really like 55-60% rear bias from what I have driven.)
Rear bias also is better for stopping, as it helps the rear tires have more ability to help as weight transfer during deceleration doesn't make the bias to the front as much.
Only in the first first 20 minutes but a modern car with transaxle is also the AMG GT (sorry but I'm a Merc fanboy)
The reason the Volvo 300 series is a transaxle car is because it was based on a DAF platform. Volvo had just bought DAF and had them turn their next car into a small Volvo.
Hey Jason, since you’re in the Bay Area, there are two ALFA SZ’s for sale in San Mateo! I too have been searching for these cars...
Modern Astons and AMG GT, they are transaxle, are they cool?
20:58 this is a visual representation of addiction.
Until now I only knew the 914/6, but not the 916. Wikipedia talks about 11units produced - interesting.
How many 928 S3 cam chain tensioners Cammisa and Musto actually want? Early 4 valve 928 engine parts are least sought after versions of any 928 engine. You can barely give away those cylinder heads because there is so many dismantled cars around and they are used only in S3's. Short block is another matter as it can be used with other 928 heads with some modifications to piston tops.
Derek is older than me and yet I even knew that was RHPS
He's older than all of us! He's 95!
@@JasonCammisa He's well preserved. He doesn't look a day over 80.
You missed the rest of the Aston Martin model range.
Wow Jason, the closeup in the beginning really shows off your eyes
Why thank you! When I watch that, all I see is the fear and the age... ;)
All videos contain jasoncammisa talking about his love for his vw cars at some point and a shot at Audi’s for the awd layout and understeer there after. 🤷🏼♂️. The ‘07 RS4 was a fun car and for that matter so is the current RS3.
this really helps the stay at home part. Everyone talks wonders about the 944 chassis. How does it compare in driving feel to a 996 for instance???
I forgot to comment on the last video, but a brief moment of silence for the passing of the bullshit button...
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I assume you were expecting a "Bullshit" down here, but it was pretty silent. Thus, it's gone.
Who has not seen the brave little toaster
Who else gets the reference to the Pontiac Tempest in my cousin Vinny?
Any time I hear Tempest I go right back to that movie.
You should have invited Susan to special guest & lay across the hood of the Quatro Porte during the podcast. I don't think Derek has dirty secrets. The Brave little toaster vs. Rocky Horror. 😅
The Porsche 928 is not transaxle. The transmission and differential are separate (though adjacent) in both auto and manual cars.
I dont know the issue of 4 cylinder engines with DTS they are some who are boring but some of them are gems.
Awwwww the Brave Little e-Golf is so sad!!!! 😥😥
Agreed. Why would they let you track the car and relay window position without a way to, you know, close them. Or open them to vent hot air before you get in.
Love this episode. I had a toronado and lancia and porsche 944. Magic transaxle
Jason the Swedish also have an app that will tell you your windows are open but will not let you roll them up, you can lock and unlock the doors but not roll up or down the windows.
Yeah, I found that usually American and English car companies come up with some new tech that fails to badly, then utilized by Germans. One of the latest versions of that was the touch button interior by Ford/Lincoln/Cadillac. Ford/Cadillac did so bad job of that they now reversed their decision and made their interior look so outdated. However, right after Caddy gave up touch interior.... Porsche and Audi started to implement it.... (Oh on the other hand, French people have obsession with some weird tech that nobody copies and they perfect it lol)
2:30-3:30, this clip should be required viewing for pediatricians, primary care doctors, and all parents *BECAUSE THIS IS HOW ADHD WORKS*.
Also,
CREATURE OFFFF THE NIIIIIIIIIIGHT
Haha, couldn't stay focused, either, could you? SCIENCE FICTION....
Love this episode!
Sorry to be that anorak dude, but the rant on Alfa’s (Alfetta/GTV/Giulietta/75/90/Milano/SZ) transmission/brake issues is a little off?.. 1. The rear brakes never get that hot, and 2. The brake cooling was prob better than conventionally placed ones, 3. Gearbox breaks mostly because they were weak, especially the synchros.. It is however possible the added temp on the driveshafts lead to gearbox oil leaks, which could splash on the exhaust.
There are still thousands of successful Alfa ”116” racecars around the world. :)
Heya. I don't think the rant was specific to Alfa brake-overheating issues - and if I said that, it's not what I meant. It is typical of other inboard brakes to overheat and cause problems - less so in Alfas, but my Lemons team did race a GTV6 for quite some time, and cooked dozens of transmissions, even with a positive-displacement pump and trans-fluid cooler setup. In fact, it was so bad the boys ripped the transaxle out, mated an E30 transmission directly to the engine, and used and E28 diff in back with conventional outboard brakes. So while Alfas don't overheat like this on the street, they can be pushed way past their limits easily on track. But again, I wasn't really talking about Alfas specifically. There's a reason no car has inboard brakes now. :)
I don’t think you listed the Alfa 75/Milano when you were listing transaxle sedans.
False, we discuss them at length in this episode.
Ok you did discuss them later in the episode.
Derek Tam-Scott Hahaha we trigger-fingered lunatics, should have watched to the end!
The volvo 340 was developped by daf before volvo buying daf and rebaged them. Thats why they could have in first years renault engine like daf 66 and more importanly belt driven cvt transmision as they used in daf since the 60's. It was known to be a grandma car as a small cheap automatic. Plus there was some daf reverse gear race in holland as they go as fast as going forward. Look for it on youtube!
Jason, that connection is reallllllly strenuous
Tenuous?
@@JasonCammisa well fuck. wrong verb. Good thing exams are cancelled
ah the great Transaxle cars... like the Volvo 360 :D LOL
Lancia made the first active rear spoiler by the way.
JK061996 And the reason why they named it “90” is because they were so desperate at the time, they literally named the car “90” to hope the company will survive through the 80’s and onto 90’s
Pretty sure the V12 Aston Martins (DB9, DBS 2nd gen, Vantage S, Vanquish, DBS Superleggera, DB11) are all transaxles.
As usual, Great show guys!!! 😊
'The great sadness' is my new favourite way to describe covid era
The GT-R really is weird. First time I heard about how they did it, I was like, "no way..."
Even more amazingly, IT WORKS!! lol
All I'm hearing is that my B5 Passat is undeniably cool...since it has the same transaxle as the 986 Boxster!
Lancia Theema 8.32 with Ferrai 308 motor
AMG GT and SLS are also transaxle. I think the SLR too.
I'm just a sweet transaxle...
We need to organize a virtual RHPS watch party for DTM.
YES! On both counts!
Lol, jason bringing a toy quattroporte to show it as an example with an actual quattroporte directly behind them haha
My z3 3.0i coupe makes me giggle daily to work at 193kmi... Z1s feel similar ?
Is there any transaxle sedan besides Maserati Quattroporte and Alfa 75
OMG the rambling at the beginning was funny. Especially the parts about all the trans and drag. I agree automatic transmissions are boring I don't like them either. The northstar was even more fucked because of where they stuck the starter...under the intake manifold.
Heh, glad I made SOMEONE laugh with that ridiculous stream-of-consciousness draggy rant. I remember seeing a mechanic friend almost start crying when the starter went on his Northstar Fleetwood. He was more upset about that than blowing up the motor in his 1961 Caddy.
Halfway through, have to bring some things up.
The 924 engine is the Audi EA831 which is only somewhat related to the EA827 VW engines. Probably best known as the engine from the VW LT truck. The valve covers are not a direct swap.
The Scirocco came out before the Golf and the 924, and was sold for two years that the 914 was made. That doesn't make your story make sense Jason.
I've never touched a 924, so thanks for that. Re: Scirocco, 914 went into production in the late 60s; Mk1 in 1974; and yes the 924 in 1976. But, and I quote from Wiki, which matches several books I've read: "After serious deliberation at VW, the project was scrapped entirely after a decision was made to move forward with the cheaper, more practical, Golf-based Scirocco model instead." The Scirocco beat the 924 to production, but the Mk1 and 924 were in development at the same basic time, no?
@@JasonCammisa Okay, on doing some research seems like you're right about the 924. Not my area of expertise.
I am worried about you glossing over the Volvo 300 series though, as that is probably the one car on the list that isn't cool. Quirky yes, cool, probably not. The Volvo 300 series was a DAF design that Volvo took when they bought a majority share of the company in the early 70s. As a result, most of them are equipped with the DAF CVT.
There is a rumor that the front axle of the Porsche 924 is similar to the front axle of the 1303 Beetle. Have you heard of that?
I saw an LFA on thumbnail but they only mentioned it once and just talked about obscure italian cars. Which, alright, but i was hoping for more LFA so bad job thumbnail designer
Like Derek Tan hyphen Scott I’m a huuuuuge fan of Lancia’s and what the company means and had stood for during their golden era…where I do differ from DTS is that he’s a pre war Lancia guy where as I’m more of a 50’s through 1990’s Lancia fan. I’m a huge fan of rally race especially the older rally races between the 1960s through the 80s in the Wild West era of Rallying. Not only did Lancia make these Beautifully styled and engineered while also sophisticated cars they also would be the best type of car to drive through a Forrest or dirt road faster than anyone else. Send everyone on here is a car person I’m assuming that we’ve all seen Top Gears ode to Lancia as the best car maker in history, (and if u haven’t please watch the segment it’s fantastic) we watched how what I believe is to be one of the most if not the most beautiful cars of all time the Lancia Stratos use the short wheel base wiggle it’s little hips on switchbacks with a Ferrari v6 in the little fella as well as the slightly less beautiful but probably better driving Lancia O37 was the last ever 2 wheel drive/rear wheel drive car to win a championship as well as the only 2 wheel drive car to beat the mighty Audi Quattro…and though Derek says the Delta Intgrale is not a true Lancia which in my opinion is sacrilege, I will get him a bit un most Lancias it’s probably not the most beautiful car but if you think about it where have you heard about a great rally car that’s a boxy four-door hatchback four-wheel-drive with a large turbo being the best car HMmmmmmmmm let’s think… the Evo right ? In a way the the Delta was the original Evo only wayyyyyyy cooler and definitely more aesthetically pleasing….it’s sad that the was the last of an era cuz that company that still occasionally uses the name lancia in Europe is a company that I refuse to believe it’s existence.
48:48 THAT WAS GOLD LOL YOU CAN SPEAK WITHOUT ACCENT