The design of the new map makes me think they wanted to spend an absolute minimum of time on it. The city section is exactly the same size, despite the three new stations now crammed into the already cramped space. Putting the light rail on the map would mean a pretty significant redesign of this section, which it already needs, but they clearly don’t want to.
The brown color comments make me laugh because it's really a non-issue. Both Chicago and NYC have brown colored lines. Chicago's brown is darker than NYC's and is one of the city's more popular lines serving Chicago's upscale north side. You're right about the M1 color and line treatment. I don't like different styles of lines unless the difference is really an important distinction for the public. I don't believe the difference between the M1 line and the other Sydney train lines is an important one for riders and the hollow line treatment for M1 begs more questions than it answers. You're also right about the map needing to show the light rail lines. Looking at Chicago again with many L lines in the Loop, the Chicago L map does have a large Loop inset to more clearly show the many rail lines through it. Sydney should do the same thing.
Not to mention the Bakerloo line on the London Underground. Incidentally LU uses black for the prominent Northern Line. Black is an oddly rare colour in such maps.
9:20 The extra capacity created by removing the Bankstown line from other lines, primarily the city circle, is one of the main justifications for converting the current line.
@@staryoshi06 It’s not about the lines on a schematic map. By removing direct trains from Bankstown, that is 8 less trains that use the city circle as well as create bottlenecks merging onto other lines. It will make a huge difference to the capacity of the network.
@@gregessex1851 But the new T3 lines still go on the city circle, so would that not cause the same problem? Or are they changing some T2 services onto the new T3?
@@staryoshi06 Yes they do, but there is a net reduction of 8 trains per hour each way in peak periods which are replaced by trains running through the new metro under the city. It was seen as one of the most effective ways of opening up more slots for trains from the west.
@@staryoshi06 Not defeating the purpose - it is adding capacity between the city and Lidcombe that will then flow through to the T8 line. So yes, there is an increase in services on the T8, Lidcombe-Centra stretch and the soon to be converted metro.
I’m from Melbourne, where the very idea of overlaying a ‘light rail’ (tram) map on top of the train map, makes my head spin. Great to see Sydney investing in new lines, though. And thanks Moose for another excellent video.
Sydney has been building new lines for the past 30 years with the airport line (opened in 2000), the Leppington line (opened in 2015) and Metro (opened in 2019), as well as 3 Light rail lines. Melbourne can't even get a train to Tullamarine after 60 years.
Yep I live in Sydney and the public transport is atrocious. Some stations have no peak hour service. Example East Hills Panania Narwee and all to Turella. Offpeak is 4tph (every 15 mins). Peak is also 4tph. Rubbish frequency for an offpeak let alone peak hour service. Only a select few stations get a passable service (6 tph) which I consider the absolute bare minimum for offpeak. Rubbish stopping patterns. Many lines have express from first to last train in both directions but the airport line becomes all stops at 10pm or so, on sunday it becomes all stops at 7pm. Why?? With the metro rumour has it they will introduce a somewhat decent offpeak frequency between Castle Hill and Sydenham at a train every 5 mins (12 per hour). That's what you call an acceptable off peak frequency. Big difference between 12 and the current standard 4.
Just a reminder there had already been trains from the city to Liverpool (and even Campbelltown) via Regents Park in the 80s and 90s, until successive governments (both Labor and Libs) rekt the whole train line. It's kinda just going back to what it should have been, just like 30-40 years ago.
Thank you for your comment on Sydney getting a second airport rail line before Melbourne even gets one! It's maddening. The owners of Melbourne Carpark... sorry, Melbourne Airport seem to have far too much say and if they have their way a train line will never be built. They insist it must go underground. They say so the airport can be expanded, but really it's because if it is underground people can't see it and might think there isn't a train to the airport. Anyway, it really annoys me that Sydney, Brisbane and now Perth have an airport rail line with there being no sign we will ever see one in Melbourne. OK, off my high horse now. Thanks for the video, very interesting thoughts.
Skybus isn't a bad way to travel from Tullamarine to the city but I'd much prefer a train. I'm sure many people avoid Skybus simply because it's a bus and there's a strong chance the business case for the proposed train takes Skybus numbers into account when estimating how many people would take the train which is ludicrous. A $10 one way train would be very heavily used in my opinion.
Sydney Airport’s train station is underground. There is signage everywhere when leaving the planes pointing to it. Then again you can’t find anything at Sydney Airport without a lot of signage and possibly a guide.
@@francesconicoletti2547 I agree, it's crazy that a city of 5 million people doesn't have a fast train line to the CBD. Unfortunately it's pretty common in other "world class" cities to not have train stations at the airport.
Good Video. They should have taken the opportunity to rename the airport stations. On the metro, the new airport station is called ‘Airport, whereas the existing stations on the T8 are called ‘Domestic’ and ‘International.’ Maybe the airport identifiers should have been included to avoid confusion, especially for visitors & tourists. For example the metro station could be Western Sydney Airport, and the T8 stations could be Sydney Domestic and Sydney International
Yeah, I agree with you especially with the light rail needing to be apart of the maps because I know some of the stations have BOTH a light rail AND train lines - parra, central, westmead etc
The North West Metro needs to be extended to St Marys. Then it can go to the new airport. This would relieve the congestion on the existing western rail line.
At an absolute minimum NW metro should be connected to T1/5 at Schofields. I heard somewhere (maybe on this channel) that the new airport line will not be electrically compatible with the NW metro which would be stunningly stupid. Either way, the NW and Airport West metros should be joined somewhere, even if you have to change there.
@@harrygroundwater2590i suspect thats going to have to be fixed at some point, having a line just as an airport branch line is nonsense given the total lack of other dedicated public transport out there.
I agree with you regarding the light rail lines. If you have time would love to see how you would style the Metro white space & Light rail into the new maps.
I remember being really confused when I first saw the map with the grey line for metro city & southwest as it looked like Crows Nest & Victoria Cross were infill stations being built along the existing corridor.
The new T6 between Bankstown and Lidcombe should be a branch of the Liverpool and Inner West Line. An Inner West service could be an all stops Redfern to Bankstown via Lidcombe. The Liverpool service could then run all stops Liverpool to Lidcombe and then limited services to Redfern. It could make a stop at Ashfield so passengers can interchange between the 2. Similarly the T2 could do all stops between Liverpool and Lidcombe via Granville, and then fill in the gaps between the T3 Liverpool service. The major interchanges like Granville, Lidcombe, and Strathfield already have the luxury of using the Western Line which does not stop at any Inner West stations.
The reason is the trains from Liverpool share tracks with trains from Parramatta or Homebush and sometimes Ashfield. There's no point of expressing Ashfield to Redfern if you're just going to be stuck behind an all stopper from Parra. In fact during peak hour trains from Leppington are sometimes all stops besides Macdonaldtown because of this reason. The western line and northern line have their own track pair so no issues there running an express pattern.
@@TomHommustrue, which is why I don’t understand why they made the T2 Parra line. If the inner west travellers want direct trains to Parra, they should have made the T1 western line an express and an all stops between Parra and those Inner West stations. The fact that Parra already has the BMt line which is usually super express, they shouldn’t need another express, on top of the Metro and the Light Rail. Leave the T2 and T3 track to those lines so if any incidents, they won’t interrupt the other line (that I’m just guessing would happen)
@@decepticons_destroy the reason is because it is already at it's maximum capacity of 20tph. Meaning in effect all trains have to have the same stopping pattern. The moment you run different patterns the frequency drops. Meaning they all have to more or less match the BMT train stopping pattern east of Harris Park. So all trains in peak go Parramatta - Strathfield - Redfern - Central with BMT skipping one stop. Theoretically you could stop them at Harris Park which has 4 tracks but then you still need to cater for the one person who may want to go from Harris Park to Granville. So the T2 is extended to Parramatta during the weekday so that it can pick up Harris Park, Granville, Clyde, Auburn etc. with no BMT or western line to pick them up extending the T2 to Parra is the only choice
@@decepticons_destroy so there are 4 tracks west of Strathfield with 2 is for BMT or Western line so there's only 2 available for Granville and all stops Parra services. And from Lidcombe to Strathfield it's going to get even worse with it now sharing with Regents Park, Granville and Parra services. East of Strathfield there's 6 tracks 2 for northern line, 2 for BMT, CCN and Western Line and 2 for soon to be Regents Park and Leppington /Parramatta via Granville services West metro is meant to relieve the pressure off the western line but it's not due for completion until 2032 ages away. A case of previous governments resting on its laurels and then going oh crap and only starting planning after the shit has hit the fan.
@@TomHommus appreciate the explanation. I remember 20yrs ago, on the original South Line (now T2 Leppington) Liverpool to Central took ~40mins on the express service:Liverpool, Cabramatta, Fairfield, Merrylands, Granville, Auburn, Lidcombe, Strathfield, sometimes Ashfield, Redfern, Central. Now it takes 50-60mins. I hope with the Regents Park line back in service, they would give us an express on either one of these lines. Otherwise, they need to extend the metro to Liverpool.
Thanks for the most interesting video. I have a special interest in the Bankstown line, as my previous family home was in Marrickville and I lived there, until moving to Melbourne in mid 1981. As a young child, I even remember riding trams along Illawarra Road in Marrickville, prior to their closure in 1957. It will be interesting to see how they cope with no train service on the Bankstown line for twelve months and then having the Metro take over. Anyway, thanks for keeping us updated on the progress there.
As awful as rail replacement buses are, and as much complaining there is about it, the people impacted are about to get the most modern, direct and likely reliable train line to the CBD…. 😊 8:00
@@TxtalArmi The conservative 12 month replacement bus estimate is just to give the general public a safe timeframe as this would include contingencies for delays. In practice, the rail outage may only be 10 months if work is completed in a smooth manner. Sydney has 10 years of Metro building experience with the Northwest and City lines since 2014, so the builders can leverage this expertise into efficiencies for the ultimate 2025 Bankstown phase.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b hopefully you're right as someone who was waiting for the metro west for a long time and has had to deal with multiple delays and even more more so after launch due to early troubles I think the end result was by far worth it but it didn't make the delays any less frustrating
i used the eastwood to macquarie park replacement bus when the north west metro was being set up and the service was quite good - much better than expected. Though the key there was that the journey was quite short.
IIRC years ago I remember the city circle area had a separate, more detailed map in the top right corner. That would overcome some of the cramped depiction of lines in the harbour city CBD.
Yeah Martin place shows the visual positioning (which has benefits) instead of lining it up vertically like they do elsewhere. And then Sydenham and crows nest etc are entirely the wrong side… no visual link at all.
But maybe it’s not possible. I’m visualising it a bit more and trying to apply the same thinking to wolli creek… it needs a separate dot as much as Chatswood does, but overlapping it on the cross roads gets confusing. I do think Bankstown should have a vertical orientation though.
For what My 2 cents is worth on the map the metro line should be placed east of the current north shore line , I have heard numerous complaints about the new T3 line the thing is that we don’t what the stopping patterns will be east of Lidcombe yet and we want find out until the new timetable is released until metro starts operating to Sydenham and apparently the Bankstown to Lidcombe line is only promised till at least until 2030 according to some reports, also I think the light rail lines should be kept off the map as it would become very crowded in my opinion
@@paulburgess-qr9rx yes its only going to Homebush but once that is done, then they will start working on the segment to bankstown. Still need to do feasibility and everything, it will probably be another 15 - 20 years before any of it actually gets off the drawing board and earth works are in full swing.
@@paulburgess-qr9rx how will they connect bankstown to lidcombe then long term? Another westconnex road tunnel 😂😂. I honestly want a Metro from Reversby to Gordan via Bankstown, Lidcombe, Olympic park and Macquarrie. Be a good direct route to travel north to south whilst avoiding the CBD. Also be good if say the Metro southwest wasn't working, you could instead take this new metro over to Olympic park in just minutes and then change for metro west into the city from there. But this line will never get built. The politics will make up something like "oh it costs too much and doesn't go into the CBD, where everyone wants to go, so who will even bother using it" Truth is, a lot of people would use it. Also extend Metro west out to liverpool. I have no idea why they cant use the exsisting T3 allignment for that. True there is a freight line, but you just run metro next to it, not on the freight line.
T6 could be connected via a tunnel to T7 to further improve access to Olympic Park. The new St Mary's to the airport metro line should be extended to connect to T5 at Leppington. Network maps are important for travellers and including as many modes as possible on one map is worth aiming for.
I always thought the Bankstown line was brown but I must be remembering the old Sydney System days. I just checked the previous map and it’s … ORANGE? Heh. Surprise surprise. I guess the 1980s signage must have had an oversize impact - they always put the line colours on the station sign, in stripes beneath the name.
12 months of bus replacement during conversion is pretty good going - took a good 4 years to change the East London Line from 'Tube' to 'Overground' spec \m/
@@Gfynbcyiokbg8710 I stand corrected - felt like 4 when I was having to divert via London Bridge \m/ EDIT: Shoreditch peak hour service was replaced by buses more than a year before the line closed fully - that section of the route was one of my regular jouneys \m/
With St Peters and Erskinville stations, it would be interesting to see if there will be frequent services accompanying those two stations if the trains are coming from the East Hills line again after nearly 25 years. The NSW government should have created an all stations to Hurstville service stopping at those two stations as well as Tempe and Banksia which not many trains stop at. I'd like to see a direct train from Hurstville to City Circle again as I haven't seen such a service since 1979 when the Eastern Suburbs line had opened, but that's not likely to happen.
Think they could easily add the light rail to the map by making a zoomed section of Sydney City and Parramatta off to the side of the main network map. Sort of how all Australian electoral maps have Sydney and Melbourne on a separate page
The T6 now is gonna change to the T2 in the future rail plan. Until then they're just using it as a stop gap whenever they can lol. And it really is kinda inconvenient that Light Rails aren't shown in the maps would make things way easier.
on all the new tracks how far are the stops apart? in perth all the tracks over the last 30 years have built stations 3 to 6 km apart on Joondalup, Airport, Ellenbrook and Mandurah lines. In fact on the Mandurah line you're even seeing distances up to 10km apart.
You show a map where the physical Metro and Sydney Rail not only run more or less parallel but overlap. Abstracted that legitimately would be parallel lines. The stations of the two systems on the map are not shown in proximity to each other. There is no hint of cross station interchange where there is none. Barangaroo station is in fact on the edge of the CBD. If you pick that up from the abstraction the map is working.
Re M1 motorway: You described the F3, not the M1. The M1 goes anywhere the Highway 1 used to, which means: - The F1 is the M1 (Warringah Freeway) - The ED is the M1 (Eastern Distributor) - The F6 is the M1 (Southern Freeway) - The Pacific Highway is the M1 (North Coast where it’s upgraded) - The Gore Hill Freeway is the M1 They should probably make the M11 and M2 down to Lane Cove into the M1 too, but the M2 should also extend to Castlereagh and that’s a whole other story. At least the M11 has any label at all, finally.
The F3 has been renamed to M1 though, and it used to be part of national highway 1, just like all the other roads you have correctly identified as being renamed to M1.
@@davidmason5902 Right, but in an analogy to "all apples are fruit, not vice versa", you can't just say the M1 is the F3 and leave it there, can you? And since we're nitpicking, you said "it used to be part of the national highway 1", oh boy ... and what about before THAT! It's largely a fun fact only now, but when the F3 started, it was JUST the F3 and not the Highway 1. The old highway (that you can still use) was left as the Highway 1, and the philosophy was to highlight the new and improved status of the freeway road, with all the new road rules it had too - lots of strict policies about keeping left, and no stopping or turning, and many vehicles prohibited. But the bigger problem was: People didn't think it was the main highway! "1 is more important than 3", or "I've always just followed the '1' sign", became the main issue. So after a decade of freeways like the F3, F4, F5 and F6, the iconic "US interstate" style shields were removed and all the boring Highway 1 and Highway 31 signs were moved to the freeways. So no, not really: The F3 didn't used to be Highway 1, not originally. The "M" designation is great because it restores the special distinction that motorways have compared to normal roads with traffic lights and level crossing traffic.
@@whophd honestly my point was only that it's correct to refer to the road formerly known as the F3 as M1, since it's been designated route M1 since 2013
@@davidmason5902 But honestly my point was only that the video referred to the M1, and then implied it's just the F3, instead of Sydney to Brisbane … or most of Nowra to Gympie
The map is only a relic of the past if the network is a relic of the past. In cities with great transport infrastructure, the map is all you will ever need.
It’s better to just turn some of these into north south crosstown lines like T7 replacing the T3 and overhaul the T5 making them segregated high frequency lines
My Plan for T8 is that Train Services to Macarthur & Campbelltown will use the Line Via Sydenham and Revesby and East Hills Services will go Via the Airport Link. So the Bottleneck between Turrella and Wolli Creek will be Reduced.
Not a chance it will come from both Macarthur and Leppington, that's the thing rail clearways was created to avoid. You don't want T2 and T8 from affecting each other
@@TomHommus Well the T8 might go to Leppington if theres trackwork between Glenfield and Campbelltown and Glenfield to Granville. T8 Doesn't do services to Leppington.
Kind of pointless when next year all trains from Macarthur/Campbelltown and Revesby will go via the airport 100 percent of the time. Technically it's 99.9 percent of trains. The only stations on that line that will retain Sydenham services are Macarthur, Campbelltown, Glenfield which will get 1-2 services a day in each direction stopping Macarthur, Campbelltown, Glenfield, (via Sydenham but not stopping), Central. They cannot run those endeavour railcars through the airport tunnels without polluting the stations from the diesel fumes so those are safe. The other trains that will go via Sydenham are Campbelltown - Central expresses but they're booked seats only and you can't book tickets for the Campbeltown to Central section.
When I was a kid, I was hooked on maps and Lonely Planet guidebooks. I had a Sydney guidebook and the map in the back was that CityRail map with the lilac line. I used to ogle that map all the time, I was such a nerd 😅 you’ve made my day showing that old map with the old plan to run trains from Chatswood to parramatta. How long have you been in Australia for? I imagine you never experienced those maps. 😊
The Sydney Metro airport rail link makes no sense at all. Why can't they just connect Paramatta and St Mary's station using the metro line since they have taken so much effort to build the two lines already? Nobody is going to take a long T1 train journey to Airport West to transfer here and there and it's just going to end up like Montréal-Mirabel International Airport.
Seriously the new airport like can’t be real, I went to Penrith at the weekend and including the three stops on the lite rail was 1:35min. That would be a 2 hour journey on the train from Sydney.
You would set a precedent, it will get more and more difficult to fit them in as the LR expands, within 6 years you will need to fit in the entire Parramatta LR system and future lines like Broadway, Green Square or Oxford Street.
@@mgp1203 have you got an example in mind of a City with an equivalent of 13 or so Metro/Suburban lines and 5 light rail lines that puts these all in its Network Diagram?
@@BigBlueMan118 Philadelphia's SEPTA do this with the subway, trolley and regional lines. Budapest also display the same with multiple modes. I don't know why we're pretending like this isn't possible. An extra 5 light rail lines on a map won't be confusing to anybody with a brain..
@@whophd except the escalators in greenwood plaza are broken more often than they are working resulting in a convoluted journey with lots of steps. but ultimately i doubt there will be many people switching between those stations, most will use one or the other not both.
@@whophd By the time a commuter leaves North Sydney and enters Victoria Cross it would be about 5 minutes, especially during the morning peak hour. It is a 400 metre walk from Blue Street to the northern end of the MLC Building on Miller Street.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b sure, but this business district is a big destination. Not an interchange. Chatswood does a good job of that, and so does Central. You don't need another one in between.
@@whophd The OP made the point that the walk between the 2 stations is 5 minutes. This person is right. A 400 metre walk is not a one minute walk. This is just physics. I am from North Sydney, so I readily agree with the OP’s original comment.
My guess for the M1 line being shown parallel to T1 is CN and VC metro stations are a short walk from STL and NS train stations. Debatable and certainly not an ideal walk... I hope the new T6 becomes more than just a shuttle. If it's a near pointless line then no doubt government will look to close or replace it with trams as they did the Carlingford line (should have been a metro line!).
@@maikotter9945 And 40% of made-up quotes are attributed to Winston Churchill. (The remainder to Einstein and Abraham Lincoln). But seriously, there is a lot of research putting the incidence of red-green colour blindness at 9-10% of males. This sampling would have been done principally in first-world countries so is not absolutely reliable.
I’m colourblind and that was the first thing I was thinking about reading the comments before I saw that part of the video, I think it is good it differentiates itself, as long as it’s not near a similar red shade
Light Rail stations are too close together to be put on a map with the scale of trains and the metro. they should remain from being there. Imagine squeezing all the stops from central to dulwich hill (L1 Line) on that map
Such a waste that the T6 is just going to be a shuttle. At the very least they could combine it with the T7. I think ideally it should go to parramatta alongside the T2. It makes a lot of sense actually, to have one line (the T3) going into the city, and one (the T6) going to parramatta, as a lot of western sydney residents are more likely to go to the latter. At the very least I hope some peak hour services will run such a route. Alternatively, they could turn it into an additional route up the main north line, however I'd rather that such a line go to parramatta. Also, some train announcements do mention local buses.
I think getting a train from the t6/south side to exit on the t7/north side is possible BUT very complicated, and would cross and impact a VERY busy rail corridor.
Perhaps the channel host is originally from England? I once met a Sydney solicitor who has Irish ancestry. He often sounded like he was from Ireland. Australian TV newsreaders, as recently as the 1990s, often sounded British. Anne Fullwood, a former Channel Ten journalist, was once mistaken as an Englishwoman when she conducted a vox pop in England. 🇦🇺 🇮🇪 🇬🇧
@@tangiers365 Canberrans… sound like Canberrans! 🤣 As the Australian Public Service naturally draws from workers from all over the country. South Africa? Good point. The channel host does however have a London Underground ornament in the background. Perhaps this is an illusion to his heritage?
I can’t detect any South African accent there, but I’m prepared to be proved wrong. Certainly some British. Perhaps Kyle will do a ‘Q&A’ video at some stage and let us know the origins of his interest in transit as well as the origins of his accent. Anyway if he is originally from the RSA, congrats to him for getting out! Kind of a failed state…
Brown isn't a bad colour. It's the colour of chocolate. And nice hard woods. You can think of disgusting things from all colours. Don't get me started on green for example.
The slots will be given to Airport line meaning there will be no capacity for any trains to go into the city during peak hour. But as this weekends timetable has proven you can just terminate Bankstown trains at Sydenham. People wanting to go into the city can change at Sydenham for a connecting service. Do tradies in utes need the train or metro to go into the city? How would they carry their trayful of tools?
@@electro_sykes Fair enough. But, the Metro conversion to Bankstown is still very much a worthwhile project. This explains why it will be completed, in spite of the delays and costs blow out.
I'm not the expert on why it was chosen, but there are benefits that aren't obvious at first. Removing the merge points for the Bankstown line on the city circle will help ease congestion on the city circle, (the new Inner West and Liverpool line will use the same path as the T2, so it won't have the merge point problem.) Increasing service frequency and reliability on the T3 is a smaller though still beneficial improvement as well. In all honesty I agree with you though, extending the metro to new areas without current heavy rail access would've been the most beneficial overall, and it could've gone through suburbs that lie between the T4, T3, and the Main Western , providing a more circumferential route that could've allowed for interchanges without travelling so far towards the city. But there are some benefits to the conversion that aren't obvious at first
@@FabDoesStuff Also, any extensions to places not presently served by rail would surely involve lots of tunnelling, and so be many times more expensive than converting the Bankstown line - and the state is really under financial pressure. More tunnelling might be on the cards once the current tunnels are finished - I presume the tunnelling machines could be put to work on a new task.
@@fjeoijweiojfweio8212 I also thought the Bankstown line was being removed from the city circle, but the new map still has 3 lines running around it. They don’t seem to have removed anything
Recently , when travelling on the Metro between Chatswood and Castle Hill , I hear an announcement as follows: " this is an all stations service to Tallawong " I have not noticed this previously , so does this imply that there will be express services once the city extension is operational ? I brought up the subject of the fact that the stations on the Bankstown line are numerous and closely spaced , and that the speed of a Metro train would be compromised due to this fact , with a senior guide at the Victoria Cross Station open day. The reply was that the train would not be stopping at every station , which I assumed meant running express services . How can this be possible without passing loops?
Metros are virtually always all stops, but with faster acceleration (especially on systems with the safety of platform doors). The all stops metro on the Bankstown line will be faster than the current all stops and 'express' services on the Bankstown line
So Hurlstone Park will be shut down completely and no service at all of any buses for 12 months.... You have avoided using that issue .. The time that it has taken to get where it is today is ridiculous.. John Holland is a disgrace is how slow they have been.. Just watch at what speed these SMD ( slow moving dopes ) work...
The T8 splitting between two paths in the middle of the route just sounds very confusing as a user. So many people are gonna hop on the wrong train and get confused when their T8 doesn't go to where the T8 is meant to go. I would much prefer to see Erskineville and St Peters solely served by the T4, and the T8 only go through the airport tunnel
Sending the express Revesby-City via Sydenham makes sense but making them all stop at StP and Erko defeats the purpose. Yet another example of the excellent metro being put in the wrong place without proper planning. The previous government was more interested in ribbon cutting than improving infrastructure.
Totally correct, I agree show it as it reflects whats on the ground. Some public servant TRANSPORT NSW employed has small voice or dominated by a gorilla of an ego.
ein Beitrag des Sonnabendes, 11. Mai 2024 ° autumn in Sydney ° spring in the most parts of Europe Does Sydney has ~ 5 million inhabitants? I would declare the "Free City of Sydney", within the Commonweath of Australia! The city council, would also be a state parliament! The city presidency, would also be a state gouvernment! The city mayor, would also be a state´s prime minister! On Thursday, 20st June 2024, in my current village, between Hamburg and Lübeck, in the very North of the united Federal Republic of Germany, the astronomonical darkness, will begin at ~ 23 : 30 Central European "Daylight Saving" Time! I do not want to have DST for Germany! Even in Passau (Lower Bavaria), I would say the same! Inside Europe, DST is most popular in the Italian Republic! Italy is located nearer towards the equator than Germany. "Deutschland: dichter bei den Polen!" = " Germany: nearer to the Poles!" Polski Fiat ... Eastern Bloque vibes!
@@hhgttg69 Melbourne City Loop: clockwise, anti-clockwise, weekdays or weekends? What a sad joke! Sydney’s City Circle has services which run in both directions at all times, everyday. If a City Circle commuter needs to reach Central to make a connection, he simply catches whichever train so Central is gained in just one or 2 quick stops. City Circle has always had bi-directional services ever since Circular Quay station was finally completed after the war in 1956. Melbourne’s City Loops still cannot match the sheer efficiency of Sydney’s City Circle 70 years later. It probably never will. Strange.
The design of the new map makes me think they wanted to spend an absolute minimum of time on it. The city section is exactly the same size, despite the three new stations now crammed into the already cramped space.
Putting the light rail on the map would mean a pretty significant redesign of this section, which it already needs, but they clearly don’t want to.
Your not wrong in the new map they forgot about St. James station lmao.
They used to have the Light rail on the map
@@Thebibs only L1, right? I don’t think the city and southeast lines ever appeared on the map.
@@DogeCodes14 It is still there. It's just hidden / overshadowed by the Bondi Junction end of the Eastern Suburbs line (T4)
@@cavanaghcreative_YT Oh fair enough. I really hope they make the map better. They show a shuttle bus on the map but not the light rail?
The brown color comments make me laugh because it's really a non-issue. Both Chicago and NYC have brown colored lines. Chicago's brown is darker than NYC's and is one of the city's more popular lines serving Chicago's upscale north side. You're right about the M1 color and line treatment. I don't like different styles of lines unless the difference is really an important distinction for the public. I don't believe the difference between the M1 line and the other Sydney train lines is an important one for riders and the hollow line treatment for M1 begs more questions than it answers. You're also right about the map needing to show the light rail lines. Looking at Chicago again with many L lines in the Loop, the Chicago L map does have a large Loop inset to more clearly show the many rail lines through it. Sydney should do the same thing.
Not to mention the Bakerloo line on the London Underground. Incidentally LU uses black for the prominent Northern Line. Black is an oddly rare colour in such maps.
The Bankstown line used to be brown - East hills was orange before the Glenfield extension was built
Trees are brown. Soil is brown. Dogs can be brown. Brown is the most common eye colour. I don't know why the colour brown could upset anyone.
The vandalism of the Bankstown Line is Liberal criminality delivered by Labor
Berlin, Paris and Moscow have brown lines on their subway maps as well.
9:20 The extra capacity created by removing the Bankstown line from other lines, primarily the city circle, is one of the main justifications for converting the current line.
The new T3 still runs on the city circle, defeating the purpose.
@@staryoshi06 It’s not about the lines on a schematic map. By removing direct trains from Bankstown, that is 8 less trains that use the city circle as well as create bottlenecks merging onto other lines. It will make a huge difference to the capacity of the network.
@@gregessex1851 But the new T3 lines still go on the city circle, so would that not cause the same problem? Or are they changing some T2 services onto the new T3?
@@staryoshi06 Yes they do, but there is a net reduction of 8 trains per hour each way in peak periods which are replaced by trains running through the new metro under the city. It was seen as one of the most effective ways of opening up more slots for trains from the west.
@@staryoshi06 Not defeating the purpose - it is adding capacity between the city and Lidcombe that will then flow through to the T8 line. So yes, there is an increase in services on the T8, Lidcombe-Centra stretch and the soon to be converted metro.
I’m from Melbourne, where the very idea of overlaying a ‘light rail’ (tram) map on top of the train map, makes my head spin.
Great to see Sydney investing in new lines, though. And thanks Moose for another excellent video.
Sydney has been building new lines for the past 30 years with the airport line (opened in 2000), the Leppington line (opened in 2015) and Metro (opened in 2019), as well as 3 Light rail lines. Melbourne can't even get a train to Tullamarine after 60 years.
@@suave-rider No need to be nasty, also Melbourne still has more Stations and Kilometers of track even with all those new Sydney lines.
Yep I live in Sydney and the public transport is atrocious.
Some stations have no peak hour service.
Example East Hills Panania Narwee and all to Turella.
Offpeak is 4tph (every 15 mins). Peak is also 4tph. Rubbish frequency for an offpeak let alone peak hour service.
Only a select few stations get a passable service (6 tph) which I consider the absolute bare minimum for offpeak.
Rubbish stopping patterns. Many lines have express from first to last train in both directions but the airport line becomes all stops at 10pm or so, on sunday it becomes all stops at 7pm. Why??
With the metro rumour has it they will introduce a somewhat decent offpeak frequency between Castle Hill and Sydenham at a train every 5 mins (12 per hour). That's what you call an acceptable off peak frequency. Big difference between 12 and the current standard 4.
@@TomHommus I dunno where you got Castle Hill from, the EIS says 12 trains per hour interpeak "through the city section"
@@TomHommus From Revesby its 8 trains per hour, and 15mins for minor stations is better than Melbourne's 30 minute off peak intervals
Just a reminder there had already been trains from the city to Liverpool (and even Campbelltown) via Regents Park in the 80s and 90s, until successive governments (both Labor and Libs) rekt the whole train line. It's kinda just going back to what it should have been, just like 30-40 years ago.
Thank you for your comment on Sydney getting a second airport rail line before Melbourne even gets one! It's maddening. The owners of Melbourne Carpark... sorry, Melbourne Airport seem to have far too much say and if they have their way a train line will never be built. They insist it must go underground. They say so the airport can be expanded, but really it's because if it is underground people can't see it and might think there isn't a train to the airport. Anyway, it really annoys me that Sydney, Brisbane and now Perth have an airport rail line with there being no sign we will ever see one in Melbourne. OK, off my high horse now. Thanks for the video, very interesting thoughts.
Skybus isn't a bad way to travel from Tullamarine to the city but I'd much prefer a train. I'm sure many people avoid Skybus simply because it's a bus and there's a strong chance the business case for the proposed train takes Skybus numbers into account when estimating how many people would take the train which is ludicrous. A $10 one way train would be very heavily used in my opinion.
@@stephenpower8723the bus is not travelling on a dedicated right of way. For an airport so far outside the city it serves that is ridiculous.
Sydney Airport’s train station is underground. There is signage everywhere when leaving the planes pointing to it. Then again you can’t find anything at Sydney Airport without a lot of signage and possibly a guide.
@@francesconicoletti2547Also luggage capacity it's much easier to take your luggage on a train than a bus.
@@francesconicoletti2547 I agree, it's crazy that a city of 5 million people doesn't have a fast train line to the CBD.
Unfortunately it's pretty common in other "world class" cities to not have train stations at the airport.
Good Video. They should have taken the opportunity to rename the airport stations. On the metro, the new airport station is called ‘Airport, whereas the existing stations on the T8 are called ‘Domestic’ and ‘International.’ Maybe the airport identifiers should have been included to avoid confusion, especially for visitors & tourists. For example the metro station could be Western Sydney Airport, and the T8 stations could be Sydney Domestic and Sydney International
the new one, at least, is bound to be renamed before it opens.
They should use the actual airport names (kingsford smith and nancy-bird-walton)
Yeah, I agree with you especially with the light rail needing to be apart of the maps because I know some of the stations have BOTH a light rail AND train lines - parra, central, westmead etc
The North West Metro needs to be extended to St Marys. Then it can go to the new airport. This would relieve the congestion on the existing western rail line.
At an absolute minimum NW metro should be connected to T1/5 at Schofields. I heard somewhere (maybe on this channel) that the new airport line will not be electrically compatible with the NW metro which would be stunningly stupid. Either way, the NW and Airport West metros should be joined somewhere, even if you have to change there.
I agree but i think the lines are not compatible as they are built by different companies
I think it's in the plans... Tallawong to St Marys
@@harrygroundwater2590i suspect thats going to have to be fixed at some point, having a line just as an airport branch line is nonsense given the total lack of other dedicated public transport out there.
Back in the 1980s, the Inner West (Loop) Line was coloured brown on the map, before it was split into two lines (coloured lilac and tan).
That brown is probably closer to the brown used way back in the 80's
I agree with you regarding the light rail lines. If you have time would love to see how you would style the Metro white space & Light rail into the new maps.
I remember being really confused when I first saw the map with the grey line for metro city & southwest as it looked like Crows Nest & Victoria Cross were infill stations being built along the existing corridor.
The new T6 between Bankstown and Lidcombe should be a branch of the Liverpool and Inner West Line. An Inner West service could be an all stops Redfern to Bankstown via Lidcombe. The Liverpool service could then run all stops Liverpool to Lidcombe and then limited services to Redfern. It could make a stop at Ashfield so passengers can interchange between the 2. Similarly the T2 could do all stops between Liverpool and Lidcombe via Granville, and then fill in the gaps between the T3 Liverpool service. The major interchanges like Granville, Lidcombe, and Strathfield already have the luxury of using the Western Line which does not stop at any Inner West stations.
The reason is the trains from Liverpool share tracks with trains from Parramatta or Homebush and sometimes Ashfield.
There's no point of expressing Ashfield to Redfern if you're just going to be stuck behind an all stopper from Parra.
In fact during peak hour trains from Leppington are sometimes all stops besides Macdonaldtown because of this reason.
The western line and northern line have their own track pair so no issues there running an express pattern.
@@TomHommustrue, which is why I don’t understand why they made the T2 Parra line. If the inner west travellers want direct trains to Parra, they should have made the T1 western line an express and an all stops between Parra and those Inner West stations. The fact that Parra already has the BMt line which is usually super express, they shouldn’t need another express, on top of the Metro and the Light Rail. Leave the T2 and T3 track to those lines so if any incidents, they won’t interrupt the other line (that I’m just guessing would happen)
@@decepticons_destroy the reason is because it is already at it's maximum capacity of 20tph. Meaning in effect all trains have to have the same stopping pattern. The moment you run different patterns the frequency drops.
Meaning they all have to more or less match the BMT train stopping pattern east of Harris Park. So all trains in peak go Parramatta - Strathfield - Redfern - Central with BMT skipping one stop.
Theoretically you could stop them at Harris Park which has 4 tracks but then you still need to cater for the one person who may want to go from Harris Park to Granville.
So the T2 is extended to Parramatta during the weekday so that it can pick up Harris Park, Granville, Clyde, Auburn etc. with no BMT or western line to pick them up extending the T2 to Parra is the only choice
@@decepticons_destroy so there are 4 tracks west of Strathfield with 2 is for BMT or Western line so there's only 2 available for Granville and all stops Parra services. And from Lidcombe to Strathfield it's going to get even worse with it now sharing with Regents Park, Granville and Parra services.
East of Strathfield there's 6 tracks 2 for northern line, 2 for BMT, CCN and Western Line and 2 for soon to be Regents Park and Leppington /Parramatta via Granville services
West metro is meant to relieve the pressure off the western line but it's not due for completion until 2032 ages away. A case of previous governments resting on its laurels and then going oh crap and only starting planning after the shit has hit the fan.
@@TomHommus appreciate the explanation. I remember 20yrs ago, on the original South Line (now T2 Leppington) Liverpool to Central took ~40mins on the express service:Liverpool, Cabramatta, Fairfield, Merrylands, Granville, Auburn, Lidcombe, Strathfield, sometimes Ashfield, Redfern, Central. Now it takes 50-60mins. I hope with the Regents Park line back in service, they would give us an express on either one of these lines. Otherwise, they need to extend the metro to Liverpool.
Super good critique about the design! More people should pay attention to this!
Thanks for the most interesting video. I have a special interest in the Bankstown line, as my previous family home was in Marrickville and I lived there, until moving to Melbourne in mid 1981. As a young child, I even remember riding trams along Illawarra Road in Marrickville, prior to their closure in 1957. It will be interesting to see how they cope with no train service on the Bankstown line for twelve months and then having the Metro take over. Anyway, thanks for keeping us updated on the progress there.
As awful as rail replacement buses are, and as much complaining there is about it, the people impacted are about to get the most modern, direct and likely reliable train line to the CBD…. 😊 8:00
No pain, no gain.
Don’t worry mate, We’re having the exact same issue here in Auckland and I’m bloody sick and tired of it.
@@TxtalArmi The conservative 12 month replacement bus estimate is just to give the general public a safe timeframe as this would include contingencies for delays. In practice, the rail outage may only be 10 months if work is completed in a smooth manner. Sydney has 10 years of Metro building experience with the Northwest and City lines since 2014, so the builders can leverage this expertise into efficiencies for the ultimate 2025 Bankstown phase.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b hopefully you're right as someone who was waiting for the metro west for a long time and has had to deal with multiple delays and even more more so after launch due to early troubles I think the end result was by far worth it but it didn't make the delays any less frustrating
i used the eastwood to macquarie park replacement bus when the north west metro was being set up and the service was quite good - much better than expected. Though the key there was that the journey was quite short.
Thanks for this, much appreciated.
IIRC years ago I remember the city circle area had a separate, more detailed map in the top right corner. That would overcome some of the cramped depiction of lines in the harbour city CBD.
excited for the new metro services 🔥
The Route 67 tram line in Melbourne is a brown line colour too. I don't mind it at all for the Bankstown shuttle!
The bigger issue is why they haven’t joined the Martin Place stations on the map! Makes no sense.
Yeah Martin place shows the visual positioning (which has benefits) instead of lining it up vertically like they do elsewhere. And then Sydenham and crows nest etc are entirely the wrong side… no visual link at all.
But maybe it’s not possible. I’m visualising it a bit more and trying to apply the same thinking to wolli creek… it needs a separate dot as much as Chatswood does, but overlapping it on the cross roads gets confusing. I do think Bankstown should have a vertical orientation though.
I foresee the "new" Martin Place being an absolute mess as that's what Martin Place has been for the last 5 years
I wish they would link the new western Sydney airport line further south with the Leppington line instead of stopping at Aerotropolis.
We're making progress! I sure hope they continue to put money into these projects. They are so necessary.
Will the T9 still "continue as" T1 north of Gordon? This is so confusing.
For what My 2 cents is worth on the map the metro line should be placed east of the current north shore line , I have heard numerous complaints about the new T3 line the thing is that we don’t what the stopping patterns will be east of Lidcombe yet and we want find out until the new timetable is released until metro starts operating to Sydenham and apparently the Bankstown to Lidcombe line is only promised till at least until 2030 according to some reports, also I think the light rail lines should be kept off the map as it would become very crowded in my opinion
yeah they are planning a light rail from Parramatta to Bankstown via Olympic Park.
@@electro_sykes No they are not building a light rail to Bankstown it’s only going as far as Olympic park
@@paulburgess-qr9rx yes its only going to Homebush but once that is done, then they will start working on the segment to bankstown. Still need to do feasibility and everything, it will probably be another 15 - 20 years before any of it actually gets off the drawing board and earth works are in full swing.
@@electro_sykes Bankstown light rail will never happen
@@paulburgess-qr9rx how will they connect bankstown to lidcombe then long term? Another westconnex road tunnel 😂😂. I honestly want a Metro from Reversby to Gordan via Bankstown, Lidcombe, Olympic park and Macquarrie. Be a good direct route to travel north to south whilst avoiding the CBD. Also be good if say the Metro southwest wasn't working, you could instead take this new metro over to Olympic park in just minutes and then change for metro west into the city from there. But this line will never get built. The politics will make up something like "oh it costs too much and doesn't go into the CBD, where everyone wants to go, so who will even bother using it" Truth is, a lot of people would use it. Also extend Metro west out to liverpool. I have no idea why they cant use the exsisting T3 allignment for that. True there is a freight line, but you just run metro next to it, not on the freight line.
I use the map on the app because sometimes a station is closed but if you look at the map you can find other routes that might include a little walk
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Thank you!
T6 could be connected via a tunnel to T7 to further improve access to Olympic Park. The new St Mary's to the airport metro line should be extended to connect to T5 at Leppington.
Network maps are important for travellers and including as many modes as possible on one map is worth aiming for.
Excellent and very informative video, thank you very much.
I always thought the Bankstown line was brown but I must be remembering the old Sydney System days. I just checked the previous map and it’s … ORANGE? Heh. Surprise surprise. I guess the 1980s signage must have had an oversize impact - they always put the line colours on the station sign, in stripes beneath the name.
I loved that station signs with the lines underneath.
If London can use brown for the Bakerloo I don't see any problem with using brown in Sydney (The inner Ring line in Moscow is brown)
12 months of bus replacement during conversion is pretty good going - took a good 4 years to change the East London Line from 'Tube' to 'Overground' spec \m/
??? The East London Line was only closed for 2 and a half years
@@Gfynbcyiokbg8710 I stand corrected - felt like 4 when I was having to divert via London Bridge \m/
EDIT: Shoreditch peak hour service was replaced by buses more than a year before the line closed fully - that section of the route was one of my regular jouneys \m/
With St Peters and Erskinville stations, it would be interesting to see if there will be frequent services accompanying those two stations if the trains are coming from the East Hills line again after nearly 25 years. The NSW government should have created an all stations to Hurstville service stopping at those two stations as well as Tempe and Banksia which not many trains stop at. I'd like to see a direct train from Hurstville to City Circle again as I haven't seen such a service since 1979 when the Eastern Suburbs line had opened, but that's not likely to happen.
I think T7 and the new T6 should be a single line, providing a smooth connection from the growing Olympic Park to the extended Inner West via Metro
Think they could easily add the light rail to the map by making a zoomed section of Sydney City and Parramatta off to the side of the main network map. Sort of how all Australian electoral maps have Sydney and Melbourne on a separate page
The T6 now is gonna change to the T2 in the future rail plan. Until then they're just using it as a stop gap whenever they can lol. And it really is kinda inconvenient that Light Rails aren't shown in the maps would make things way easier.
on all the new tracks how far are the stops apart? in perth all the tracks over the last 30 years have built stations 3 to 6 km apart on Joondalup, Airport, Ellenbrook and Mandurah lines. In fact on the Mandurah line you're even seeing distances up to 10km apart.
You show a map where the physical Metro and Sydney Rail not only run more or less parallel but overlap. Abstracted that legitimately would be parallel lines. The stations of the two systems on the map are not shown in proximity to each other. There is no hint of cross station interchange where there is none. Barangaroo station is in fact on the edge of the CBD. If you pick that up from the abstraction the map is working.
Re M1 motorway: You described the F3, not the M1. The M1 goes anywhere the Highway 1 used to, which means:
- The F1 is the M1 (Warringah Freeway)
- The ED is the M1 (Eastern Distributor)
- The F6 is the M1 (Southern Freeway)
- The Pacific Highway is the M1 (North Coast where it’s upgraded)
- The Gore Hill Freeway is the M1
They should probably make the M11 and M2 down to Lane Cove into the M1 too, but the M2 should also extend to Castlereagh and that’s a whole other story. At least the M11 has any label at all, finally.
The F3 has been renamed to M1 though, and it used to be part of national highway 1, just like all the other roads you have correctly identified as being renamed to M1.
@@davidmason5902 Right, but in an analogy to "all apples are fruit, not vice versa", you can't just say the M1 is the F3 and leave it there, can you?
And since we're nitpicking, you said "it used to be part of the national highway 1", oh boy ... and what about before THAT! It's largely a fun fact only now, but when the F3 started, it was JUST the F3 and not the Highway 1. The old highway (that you can still use) was left as the Highway 1, and the philosophy was to highlight the new and improved status of the freeway road, with all the new road rules it had too - lots of strict policies about keeping left, and no stopping or turning, and many vehicles prohibited. But the bigger problem was: People didn't think it was the main highway! "1 is more important than 3", or "I've always just followed the '1' sign", became the main issue. So after a decade of freeways like the F3, F4, F5 and F6, the iconic "US interstate" style shields were removed and all the boring Highway 1 and Highway 31 signs were moved to the freeways.
So no, not really: The F3 didn't used to be Highway 1, not originally. The "M" designation is great because it restores the special distinction that motorways have compared to normal roads with traffic lights and level crossing traffic.
@@whophd honestly my point was only that it's correct to refer to the road formerly known as the F3 as M1, since it's been designated route M1 since 2013
@@davidmason5902 But honestly my point was only that the video referred to the M1, and then implied it's just the F3, instead of Sydney to Brisbane … or most of Nowra to Gympie
The map is only a relic of the past if the network is a relic of the past.
In cities with great transport infrastructure, the map is all you will ever need.
Good video. Extensively explains the map. Could use "Chocolate color" instead of Brown if it's so bad :D
buses do actually get called out on metro line trains
It’s better to just turn some of these into north south crosstown lines like T7 replacing the T3 and overhaul the T5 making them segregated high frequency lines
My Plan for T8 is that Train Services to Macarthur & Campbelltown will use the Line Via Sydenham and Revesby and East Hills Services will go Via the Airport Link. So the Bottleneck between Turrella and Wolli Creek will be Reduced.
Not a chance it will come from both Macarthur and Leppington, that's the thing rail clearways was created to avoid. You don't want T2 and T8 from affecting each other
@@TomHommus Well the T8 might go to Leppington if theres trackwork between Glenfield and Campbelltown and Glenfield to Granville. T8 Doesn't do services to Leppington.
Kind of pointless when next year all trains from Macarthur/Campbelltown and Revesby will go via the airport 100 percent of the time.
Technically it's 99.9 percent of trains. The only stations on that line that will retain Sydenham services are Macarthur, Campbelltown, Glenfield which will get 1-2 services a day in each direction stopping Macarthur, Campbelltown, Glenfield, (via Sydenham but not stopping), Central.
They cannot run those endeavour railcars through the airport tunnels without polluting the stations from the diesel fumes so those are safe.
The other trains that will go via Sydenham are Campbelltown - Central expresses but they're booked seats only and you can't book tickets for the Campbeltown to Central section.
@@ethans-dk4bkthat's just trackwork though I mean general day to day running.
When I was a kid, I was hooked on maps and Lonely Planet guidebooks. I had a Sydney guidebook and the map in the back was that CityRail map with the lilac line. I used to ogle that map all the time, I was such a nerd 😅 you’ve made my day showing that old map with the old plan to run trains from Chatswood to parramatta. How long have you been in Australia for? I imagine you never experienced those maps. 😊
The Sydney Metro airport rail link makes no sense at all. Why can't they just connect Paramatta and St Mary's station using the metro line since they have taken so much effort to build the two lines already? Nobody is going to take a long T1 train journey to Airport West to transfer here and there and it's just going to end up like Montréal-Mirabel International Airport.
They can't even manage and have the trains come on time without all the new lines. Pretty crazy how they think they can add all these things.
Seriously the new airport like can’t be real, I went to Penrith at the weekend and including the three stops on the lite rail was 1:35min.
That would be a 2 hour journey on the train from Sydney.
During a the shut down all T3 trains run limited stops so I assume this new timetable will be very similar to
I always get irrationally angry at the lack of light rail lines on our rail map. There's no reason for them not to be there.
You would set a precedent, it will get more and more difficult to fit them in as the LR expands, within 6 years you will need to fit in the entire Parramatta LR system and future lines like Broadway, Green Square or Oxford Street.
@@BigBlueMan118 Sure, but plenty of cities still include them regardless
@@mgp1203 have you got an example in mind of a City with an equivalent of 13 or so Metro/Suburban lines and 5 light rail lines that puts these all in its Network Diagram?
@@BigBlueMan118 Philadelphia's SEPTA do this with the subway, trolley and regional lines. Budapest also display the same with multiple modes. I don't know why we're pretending like this isn't possible. An extra 5 light rail lines on a map won't be confusing to anybody with a brain..
@@BigBlueMan118 London?
Anyone know what the journey time will be into the city from the new rail line from the Western Sydney airport?
Instead of putting light rail on train maps, I’d rather see a map combining T-way buses, Lightrail and B-line buses. But I know that’s weird.
I hope they build commuter carparks at the suburban metro stops
Just to make sure the traffic doesn't go away.
The brown T line colour is a great colour. 👍💚
Victoria Cross and North Sydney Stations are a 5 Minute Walk.
Almost, but not quite, entirely within a shopping arcade. You have to pop outside for a minute but luckily no streets need crossing. Which is good.
@@whophd except the escalators in greenwood plaza are broken more often than they are working resulting in a convoluted journey with lots of steps. but ultimately i doubt there will be many people switching between those stations, most will use one or the other not both.
@@whophd By the time a commuter leaves North Sydney and enters Victoria Cross it would be about 5 minutes, especially during the morning peak hour. It is a 400 metre walk from Blue Street to the northern end of the MLC Building on Miller Street.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b sure, but this business district is a big destination. Not an interchange. Chatswood does a good job of that, and so does Central. You don't need another one in between.
@@whophd The OP made the point that the walk between the 2 stations is 5 minutes. This person is right. A 400 metre walk is not a one minute walk. This is just physics. I am from North Sydney, so I readily agree with the OP’s original comment.
My guess for the M1 line being shown parallel to T1 is CN and VC metro stations are a short walk from STL and NS train stations. Debatable and certainly not an ideal walk... I hope the new T6 becomes more than just a shuttle. If it's a near pointless line then no doubt government will look to close or replace it with trams as they did the Carlingford line (should have been a metro line!).
What is the point of the stupid shuttle why not have the metro reach the rerouted T3?
I suspect the particular shade of brown is to make it easier for colour-blind (5% of the population).
Winston Churchill: "I only believe those statistics without aksing, which I made myself!"
@@maikotter9945 And 40% of made-up quotes are attributed to Winston Churchill. (The remainder to Einstein and Abraham Lincoln). But seriously, there is a lot of research putting the incidence of red-green colour blindness at 9-10% of males. This sampling would have been done principally in first-world countries so is not absolutely reliable.
I’m colourblind and that was the first thing I was thinking about reading the comments before I saw that part of the video, I think it is good it differentiates itself, as long as it’s not near a similar red shade
When metro coming T4 bro
Light Rail stations are too close together to be put on a map with the scale of trains and the metro. they should remain from being there. Imagine squeezing all the stops from central to dulwich hill (L1 Line) on that map
all double deck train lines makes sydney unique.
No more slow and ungainly double deck trains to Bankstown. The new Metro will leave the old 1960s-esque trains for dead.
the t6 brown color is fitting for the demographic of the area lol
Such a waste that the T6 is just going to be a shuttle. At the very least they could combine it with the T7. I think ideally it should go to parramatta alongside the T2. It makes a lot of sense actually, to have one line (the T3) going into the city, and one (the T6) going to parramatta, as a lot of western sydney residents are more likely to go to the latter. At the very least I hope some peak hour services will run such a route. Alternatively, they could turn it into an additional route up the main north line, however I'd rather that such a line go to parramatta.
Also, some train announcements do mention local buses.
'at the very least' it would require massive investment in a flyover or tunnel to bypass Lidcombe station
@@tobyb6248 Could it not go through lidcombe? The branch towards regents park is on the opposite side to the branch towards olympic.
why not unify t6 and t7 into on slightly longer line.
I think getting a train from the t6/south side to exit on the t7/north side is possible BUT very complicated, and would cross and impact a VERY busy rail corridor.
You would need a massive flyover or tunnel under Lidcombe station
are you from australia? your voice is confusing. great video as always though. terrific content on this channel
Perhaps the channel host is originally from England?
I once met a Sydney solicitor who has Irish ancestry. He often sounded like he was from Ireland.
Australian TV newsreaders, as recently as the 1990s, often sounded British. Anne Fullwood, a former Channel Ten journalist, was once mistaken as an Englishwoman when she conducted a vox pop in England. 🇦🇺 🇮🇪 🇬🇧
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b Im in SOuth AUstralia so they already sound sorta british. this bloke sounds more south african
@@tangiers365 Canberrans… sound like Canberrans! 🤣 As the Australian Public Service naturally draws from workers from all over the country.
South Africa? Good point. The channel host does however have a London Underground ornament in the background. Perhaps this is an illusion to his heritage?
That's a South African accent. Probably British South African. Afrikaners speak differently.
I can’t detect any South African accent there, but I’m prepared to be proved wrong. Certainly some British. Perhaps Kyle will do a ‘Q&A’ video at some stage and let us know the origins of his interest in transit as well as the origins of his accent. Anyway if he is originally from the RSA, congrats to him for getting out! Kind of a failed state…
Nice vid
GET BLOODY PARRAMATTA OFF T2 & GIVE ALL STATION TO CITY VIA STRATHFIELD BACK TO BANKSTOWN T6.
What about ferries?
I have nothing against brown, I just don't know why they didn't use purple
Brown isn't a bad colour. It's the colour of chocolate. And nice hard woods. You can think of disgusting things from all colours. Don't get me started on green for example.
yeah they should make a close up map of sydney cbd
Why not just build a new metro line instead of converting the perfectly functioning bankstown line?
The slots will be given to Airport line meaning there will be no capacity for any trains to go into the city during peak hour.
But as this weekends timetable has proven you can just terminate Bankstown trains at Sydenham.
People wanting to go into the city can change at Sydenham for a connecting service.
Do tradies in utes need the train or metro to go into the city? How would they carry their trayful of tools?
Because the people of Bankstown are deserving of a faster and more efficient commute to the city. That is why.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b no one uses birrong and yagoona
@@electro_sykes Fair enough. But, the Metro conversion to Bankstown is still very much a worthwhile project. This explains why it will be completed, in spite of the delays and costs blow out.
I feel like they should make erskinville and st peters metro/train station and not make them and Sydenham park of the T8
is this guy an AI? not sure if its the frequent head movements which are exaggerated when i watch at 2x speed, but it looks generated.
The presenter is definitely a real person. Maybe the South African accent is putting you off. As it does for some.
Definitely real. Maybe watch at normal speed?
show me the map
Only 41k views in 2 weeks. They really fell off
Why they're converting the Bankstown line when so many other places need it more is truly beyond me. Such a waste of money and resources.
because it removes the Bankstown line trains from the city circle, and therefore you can increase frequencies on other lines
I'm not the expert on why it was chosen, but there are benefits that aren't obvious at first. Removing the merge points for the Bankstown line on the city circle will help ease congestion on the city circle, (the new Inner West and Liverpool line will use the same path as the T2, so it won't have the merge point problem.) Increasing service frequency and reliability on the T3 is a smaller though still beneficial improvement as well.
In all honesty I agree with you though, extending the metro to new areas without current heavy rail access would've been the most beneficial overall, and it could've gone through suburbs that lie between the T4, T3, and the Main Western , providing a more circumferential route that could've allowed for interchanges without travelling so far towards the city. But there are some benefits to the conversion that aren't obvious at first
@@FabDoesStuff Also, any extensions to places not presently served by rail would surely involve lots of tunnelling, and so be many times more expensive than converting the Bankstown line - and the state is really under financial pressure. More tunnelling might be on the cards once the current tunnels are finished - I presume the tunnelling machines could be put to work on a new task.
@@fjeoijweiojfweio8212 I also thought the Bankstown line was being removed from the city circle, but the new map still has 3 lines running around it. They don’t seem to have removed anything
@@anewton2870 that’s because the conversion is not finished yet…..
Recently , when travelling on the Metro between Chatswood and Castle Hill , I hear an announcement as follows: " this is an all stations service to Tallawong " I have not noticed this previously , so does this imply that there will be express services once the city extension is operational ? I brought up the subject of the fact that the stations on the Bankstown line are numerous and closely spaced , and that the speed of a Metro train would be compromised due to this fact , with a senior guide at the Victoria Cross Station open day. The reply was that the train would not be stopping at every station , which I assumed meant running express services . How can this be possible without passing loops?
Metros are virtually always all stops, but with faster acceleration (especially on systems with the safety of platform doors). The all stops metro on the Bankstown line will be faster than the current all stops and 'express' services on the Bankstown line
So Hurlstone Park will be shut down completely and no service at all of any buses for 12 months.... You have avoided using that issue .. The time that it has taken to get where it is today is ridiculous.. John Holland is a disgrace is how slow they have been.. Just watch at what speed these SMD ( slow moving dopes ) work...
I live in yagoona, my mum lives in birrong lol
The T8 splitting between two paths in the middle of the route just sounds very confusing as a user. So many people are gonna hop on the wrong train and get confused when their T8 doesn't go to where the T8 is meant to go. I would much prefer to see Erskineville and St Peters solely served by the T4, and the T8 only go through the airport tunnel
Sending the express Revesby-City via Sydenham makes sense but making them all stop at StP and Erko defeats the purpose. Yet another example of the excellent metro being put in the wrong place without proper planning. The previous government was more interested in ribbon cutting than improving infrastructure.
@@jack2453 no what we do is we run the T8 express and have T4 Cronulla make all the stops then T4 waterfall do Express
Totally correct, I agree show it as it reflects whats on the ground. Some public servant TRANSPORT NSW employed has small voice or dominated by a gorilla of an ego.
So i guess the Illawarra still gets treated like 2nd Class citizens. As it always have.
is it just me or he kind of looks like robot
Please lose the background music, it's distracting
Mister City Moose - you are looking very cute!
A very messy map but worst of all UNAESTHETIC!
Very out of date video footage. You need to actually research what the Sydney area looks like NOW!
ein Beitrag des Sonnabendes, 11. Mai 2024
° autumn in Sydney
° spring in the most parts of Europe
Does Sydney has ~ 5 million inhabitants?
I would declare the "Free City of Sydney", within the Commonweath of Australia!
The city council, would also be a state parliament!
The city presidency, would also be a state gouvernment!
The city mayor, would also be a state´s prime minister!
On Thursday, 20st June 2024,
in my current village, between Hamburg and Lübeck, in the very North of the united Federal Republic of Germany,
the astronomonical darkness, will begin at ~ 23 : 30 Central European "Daylight Saving" Time!
I do not want to have DST for Germany!
Even in Passau (Lower Bavaria), I would say the same!
Inside Europe, DST is most popular in the Italian Republic!
Italy is located nearer towards the equator than Germany.
"Deutschland: dichter bei den Polen!" = " Germany: nearer to the Poles!"
Polski Fiat ... Eastern Bloque vibes!
melbourne already has a train to the airport (almost) take the train to Broadmeadows then the 901 bus to the airport.
that's not a train to the airport
Melbourne, an Olympic City, does not have a direct rail connection to Tullamarine Airport? What a joke. So is the idiotic City Loop.
@@adilsheeth that's why i oput almost in brackets. its the best we're going to get for some time sadly.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b yes, no line direct to the airport is a joke. but the city circle is fine.
@@hhgttg69 Melbourne City Loop: clockwise, anti-clockwise, weekdays or weekends? What a sad joke!
Sydney’s City Circle has services which run in both directions at all times, everyday. If a City Circle commuter needs to reach Central to make a connection, he simply catches whichever train so Central is gained in just one or 2 quick stops. City Circle has always had bi-directional services ever since Circular Quay station was finally completed after the war in 1956.
Melbourne’s City Loops still cannot match the sheer efficiency of Sydney’s City Circle 70 years later. It probably never will. Strange.
All the mooses 🫎 🫎 🫎 🫎 have been moved off the track. Now, they are free to roam. Clearing rail 🚈 bottlenecks