Stuart McGill Is Wrong About This
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I think you both make good points, but McGill is meeting a back pain patient and that's generally going to be someone who's been through a lot of treatments before he reached out to him.
Yes I’m with McGill
What are your thoughts on dropsets for injury prevention exercises? Will it give the same benefits as doing the sets normally?
It must suck to be that one guy
I love this study!!!
McGill's methods are a bit outdated at this point
Are you trying to tell me that those older women one RM are even an RPE 10 they can’t take themselves to RPE 10 there one way short and way different than what that young man is doing.
E3 I am definitely thankful for the content your team produces, but I feel this scenario is a bit out of context. I’m fairly certain McGill is discussing 1RM attempts in this caption and seeking PR’s, discussing potential draw-backs, which I would find to be different than working in the 80-85% range provided by the study you highlighted. I don’t think he is implying one should forgo deadlifting altogether.
Agree with you here. I'm not agreeing with what mcgill says either. I think 50 year old can safely get 1 RM deadlifts provided their history and response to training our conducive. I think, however, that this study does not have a satisfactory crossover to speak to this goal. I have listened to mcgills, heavily biomedical, rationale for his thoughts and understand his concerns, but I don't think this black and white thinking pans out when the rubber hits the road. Can't deny though, McGill has been around for a long time, and is well known, so presumably a lot of his treatment must have some real world validity...
It's not out of context if you've listened to the podcast episode.
1. He's not only discussing 1RM attempts. PRs can come in many different forms, not just 1RMs.
2. The women in the study were also seeking PRs.
3. A "potential draw-back" he discusses is that you'll end up with a total hip replacement, a completely unfounded statement.
4. He goes on to provide an example of having someone perform backward walking uphill, a completely unrelated activity, as an alternative to deadlifts.
@@E3Rehab what about disc injuries? He claims disc tissues would go under strength adaptations or flexiblity adaptations but not both. If thats true keep doing deadlift prs could eventually make you unable to bend, or if you bend underload it herniates or raptures. Is that the case? or could you adapt to both? You mentioned vertebral fractures but what about discs? I honestly want to be both flexible and strong in the spine. Specially for martial arts and I love training hybrid.
@@theonetrueshibe9567
Another oversimplification. You can adapt to both. You just won't be the "best" at both.
If you've trained your entire life to set the deadlift world record, you will be less adapted to the demands of yoga and won't be the most flexible person in the world.
If you've trained your entire life to be the most flexible person in the world, you will be less adapted to the demands of deadlifting and probably won't set the deadlift world record.
Doesn't mean you can't train both.
It's no different than a hybrid athlete who does resistance training and running. Probably won't be the biggest, strongest, and most muscular. They also won't be the fastest runner. But they can be pretty good at both.
Plus we know that having variety in training is better for long-term physical and mental health.
@@E3Rehab i agree the backwards walking felt irrelevant to the topic. I would have understood it more if the content was regarding knee health.
I was unaware the study involved 1RM given the presentation on UA-cam only discussed 5x5 at 80-85% of 1RM. At no point in the UA-cam clip posted do I remember hearing the women in the study were also seeking 1RM PR’s.
I believe I have listened to the full podcast (this was with Peter Attia correct?) and although he does discuss hip replacement, it appeared to me that his largest concern revolved around vertebral end plate micro-fractures.
This video is shameful and is a detriment to those in injury. You’ve taken a small segment out of McGills interview where is discussing the long term performance goals of a patient with significant spine and disc issues and you’re relating it to a study discussing completely different injury mechanisms. Should be ashamed of yourself for creating misleading content like this just for clicks.
Hang around old timer lifters who were going for maxes in their 20s and they all have big injuries. It's about wear and tear over decades going for maxes. Training grannies not even at 1rms is not a representative study.
Wear and tear happens in all humans naturally, just as getting wrinkles and grey hair. If you train smart (programming, rest, train arround injuries etc) I don't think training hard and heavy at yhe gym for decades is necessarily bad for your body. Stereotypically old dudes are not maybe the smartest trainers in the gym lol
I know plenty of “old timers” who are falling apart and have never touched a weight in their life.
@@nriv9338 The difference is the "old timers" I'm talking about are 40. I won't convince either of you, but keep at it and you will learn the hard way when you start getting serious injuries mid 30s. Or you will get wise and switch to bodybuilding like everyone else.
Point I was actually making got lost though. The granny study is not relevant to long term bodily wear sustained from consistent 1rm training.
Out of context, see the video with Peter Attia where he speaks about this, you took 3" of the video, what are you doing here?
Pretty different from a personal best in deadlift though?
They said that participants in the study deadlifted at 80-85% of 1 rep max... The implications seem clear to me
@@taylorplante99 the implications seem clear... from one study that you probably didn't read. Also did you listen.... over 58 women doing jumping chimps. Yeah yeah. Also its different if your one max is 15lbs vs 300lbs. You can have both lol
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U know what , 1st highlight his words then add what u want to say as u do true false way .
king shit
These two things are entirely unrelated. Old women who don’t work out lifting under supervision is different from a veteran lifter trying to PR. To not take injury risk seriously here is farcical.
Your statement is farcical.
1. I referenced scientific data, which McGill does not. I could provide anecdotes of "veteran lifters" who PR regularly without increased risk of injuries compared to those who do not try or those who do not lift at all.
2. Why is his statement specific to "veteran lifters"? It's not.
3. Who said I don't take injury risk seriously? This is a strawman.
Your response seems tied to emotion as opposed to logical, objective reasoning.
Valuable opinions / statements both sides. Thank you both.
Let’s keep this respectful. It doesn’t matter if you are right (or more right) if you alienate many people.
I also don’t like a culture and environment where people don’t maintain a dignified forum to discuss. Over the years I’ve realised I’d rather have a dignified discussion rather than feel I’ve corrected all the ignoramuses with my flawless research and reasoning.
@@scrumptious9673you're silly. Mgill is the only one wrong here. Stop trying to do this "both sides" virtue signaling BS