I highly recommend keezano’s Your Life Your Game📕 This book truly changed my life…It beautifully shows how connecting with God and focusing on your family can lead to spiritual growth, stronger relationships, and success in both your personal and professional life.
The world is evil bc WE are evil. God gives us free will. He doesn’t want puppets that do everything he wants blindly. Would you get any joy out of creating such a world? One day, all suffering will be atoned for. In the meantime, we can pray and get stronger spiritually to face our challenges best we can.
Also don't forget when literal children and babies die due to a volcanic eruption or accident or war or famine etc. it cant be justified by it happens because we have freedom by given by god, if something good supernatural exist that we should worship he/she should stop that kind of unfair injustice or that thing proabaly doesn't exist or doesn't care.
Im a christian who's struggling through this issue. The person who made this video is saying that without the struggle we aren't as strong. I would ask him to look into the eyes of a child dying from cancer and tell them that this is making them stronger.
@hemantsarthak , think about it. If God showed Himself every few years, then everybody would know that God exists, so everyone would be kind and good. But they wouldn't be good because they wanted to; they would just be good for their own benifit .
@@hemantsarthak you have the perspective of a mere mortal, God has eternal vision. You have no idea how God will compensate victims of natural disasters, unfair situations, etc. You want to play God? See how that turns out for you. See how it turned out for civilization when the elites did it in soviet Russia.
“I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.” (John 16:33 NIV)
John 15:19 New International Version 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.
Hiob: My Lord, why do you torture me so? The Lord: Be quiet, I am having a dick waving contest with Satan here. DOn't worry, I will give you a new wife later.
Evil, and good, is a human construct,. Literally exists nowhere else in the universe. Just a byproduct of egotistical cavemen trying to understand the universe around them.
So was the devil. If he loves us and forgives us people will go to hell still. Morals Change over time something that 100 years ago would get you killed is encourage now a days. As culture changes over time. How will they sent messages to the people if the people killed them. It's really dumb. God could never forgive the devil for question him. So what makes he you think he will forgive a random human?
I remember I was so shocked going to a small orthodox church in a nearby village and seeing a picture , above the entrance , of three angels sitting at a round table with a cup in the center. The picture was called "Sfanta Treime" in Romanian , or the "The Holy Trinity".
I love the way this man explains these lessons. First i clicked on a video where i thought he was athiest, which turned out to be a video to convince you to choose God, then i click on This video where he at first pretends this was an experiment but the whole time its the story of the world in biblical terms but explained in EVEN MORE detail. This guys smart!
i struggled with self harm when i was 16, i had nothing left, i was depressed and suicidal but then when i was on my knees crying and looking up at my ceiling in my dark room i saw the brightest light flash from behind me for a millisecond. i now realize that it was God telling me that i’m not alone.
@bee-o4f It’s a shame that you have a perspective like that not only about God, but of life itself. Good times make weak men. Weak men make hard times. While hard times make strong men. Strong men make good times. Consider the pain you face in your own life as it’s happening FOR you and not against you. If you choose the victim mentality. You indefinitely will act like one. (This was a message for someone who made a comment “if there’s a God, why does he let bad things happen.” They deleted their comment so it makes it look like I answered Matt. This message was not for Matt. I replied to him in my second comment)
@mattchadix3994 God bless you bro and I hope you continue to ask God for guidance, strength, and wisdom whenever you’re feeling lonely. Come back to these kinds of videos as they give you the input you need so God can remind you.
@Bee-o4f There will always be suffering even if we follow God but at the end it is the God who makes our pain meaningful, nobody else. This gives us hope, that believing in Him even at our darkest times isn't worthless.
@Bee-o4fBy what you said I assume you understood my point to "ok so let's cause even more pain and suffering to do something good cause that is how it works, right?" but these are two separate things. God taught us not to sin and to minimise pain so don't play a hero like that. Especially if you did that on purpose. By my previous comment I meant a situation where you are a victim, not a causer, so to somehow accept the pain, and if there is any person included, to forgive them. I don't know if I explained that well but it's really hard to write it lol. If you answear me somehow you have to wait cause i'm going to sleep :)
Creative brainwashing. Think about this. How much suffering is too much? Well, how about when suffering becomes so great people decided to kill themselves? So keep the flu, broken legs, have suffering. But you KNOW it goes to far when millions of people simply don't want to live anymore. What lesson is that? What growth is that? If God is in charge of the limits of suffering in this world, he could have set that limit at least. We obviously have WAY too much suffering to justify here.
Comparing God to a bored creator of pre-programmed AI while not giving any Biblical background/context on the origins of evil is NOT sharing the gospel. Stuff like this is why Church attendance is dropping. Using worldly analogies to help people try to understand other-worldly concepts is not helpful for anyone's spiritual growth. Truths revealed from the God himself and the Bible itself is. 💯
- It begins creative and it ends up non-sequitur. The conclusions do not arise naturally; instead, the video jumps to conclusions. - As the intended target of the video, I am not impressed. Instead, I feel cheated. Short-changed. - I do not deny the concept of a creator, or the necessity of suffering. It's just that Christianity has a very shallow understanding of these things, compared to Hinduism and Buddhism.
13:43 We love you too dude, in my opinion you make the most high quality Christian content on this entire website. Your videos are the perfect combination of engaging storytelling and seriously educational apologetics. You are the reason I and many others were brought to Christ by answering some of the deepest questions life has to offer and I'm so grateful for that.
Yes, it's the gospel with a parallel of an IT/AI example, my original comment was, if you can reply Then why is Heaven perfect? How can be? Would I have conciseness on the perfectly designed world? Or we would be just like water? Without knowing where we go, we just flow? I guess in the perfectly designed world there wouldn't be any art. Would we did over there? So now let's say the if I was God part... If I was God, I wouldn't be effected by time, space and matter, so if like someone, like let's say Satan, rebels against and it all the evil, or has so much power over creation, being (one of the) most high angels according to Isaiah, I think eliminating Satan, like let's say reverting time, because I'm unaffected by it, humanity would not be tempted to eat from the fruit of knowledge. We wouldn't be free to do evil because of whatever the reason. Someone please answer. Thank you. Would it be better if i would allow chat gpt to do wrong? Would I love it with? Because I USE chat gpt and not LOVE it. We learned the Holy Spirit is USING us for his glory, while He is the LOVE Himself. What????
@@brumamusic Hello Brumamusic, Although i will not answer everything i will answer one thing the better i can. God is eternal therefore he has no needs to reverse time to know the devil is up to something but, God is not what he knows, God is love, think the purest form of evergiving everlasting life that defines purity in itself. "Eliminating" your living creation because it's causing trouble is an outrageously evil way of thinking that comes from the likes of the devil. Creatures filled with pride and neverending plotting. To think "eliminating" troublemakers is an option is a lie you best not believe as it stains your spirit. As for humanity being tempted i will tell you this, God created many beings and he loves them all and to all of them he has given a voice to speak. And to all of them he has given ears to listen. The same God which has attributed to you all the things you have also has given you a key to infinite wisdom and knowledge of good. Because you are finite and can only be so much at once you will most likely find yourself in a state of confusion if the world is too much to handle. the key he has given to you is faith in him that has made you. so that you may be guided wherever you are lost not knowing what is good or bad. The moment you refuse that key, you decide in your feeble finite mind that you can testify what is good and what is bad, "forgetting" what is yours has been given to you for good measure and not for absolute measure. Pandara's box opens up and I cannot begin to enumerate every single corruption and evil from that box and hope to finish one day in this length of time. I have spoken enough and i hope these words find you well. this knowledge is in part and someday it will disappear from your sight but God is eternal. Have faith in the Lord your God.
@@GoldenJoy-b1p Love does not sit by and let children be raped. Love does not torture any other being for it's own ego ("you dishonored me"). Love does not let people starve to death. Any thinking person can see this. I don't care how slick their videos are, don't EVER create a hell, don't ever let kids be sex trafficked. Don't ever let mothers and their children starve to death.
You were able to answer lots of questions I had. I appreciate your honesty, and the work you put in every video. From the bottom of my Heart, thank you!
evil is creation of god coz in this scenario there cant be good ppl without bad ppl free will is a gimmick... this code saying that there should be X ammount of ppl so Y ammount of ppl goes to heaven ... there is no free will if there is a gimmick like that.
God : Quran Surah Al Balad Indeed, We have created humankind in ˹constant˺ struggle. Do they think that no one has power over them, .... Have We not given them two eyes, a tongue, and two lips; And shown him the two ways (good and evil)? /and shown them the two ways ˹of right and wrong˺? and shown them the two ways ˹of right and wrong˺? If only they had attempted the challenging path ˹of goodness instead˺! And what will make you realize what ˹attempting˺ the challenging path is? It is to free a slave, or to give food in times of famine to an orphaned relative or to a poor person in distress, and-above all-to be one of those who have faith and urge each other to perseverance and urge each other to compassion. These are the people of the right.
Yes. I'm a Christian, but I think that resting in peace after dying is the best possible ending in my opinion, and it gives much more meaning to life to know that one day, you won't exist anymore.
What puzzles me minus all the unnecessary suffering of innocent people is that is you are a good, moral sound person you are considered “weak”. Being a liar and bad person seems to get you ahead in life more than being unselfish and helping others. How many good people have been taken advantage of by evil people. It’s very discouraging for a good person in this world, but I won’t let it change my good nature.
Satan rules this world at the moment. Meaning people that do satans will are more likely to "get ahead" in a material aspect in this life but they will suffer the consequences in the long run. Tho in proverbs it says "The LORD will not let the godly go hungry, but he refuses to satisfy the craving of the wicked." The ones that get ahead by means of oppressing others will always have a deep unfillable void within them.
Perhaps one can consider how abused and viewed as weak the one named Jesus was while simultaneously being powerful and strong enough to transform the whole world. "The meek shall inherit the Earth."
It is very discouraging trying to be good in this world. I relate to that a lot thank you for posting this. But I think that is the ultimate test of our life, to give into material desires or to be good; and find favour with God. I don’t know I just thought of that reading your comment. Let me know what you think.
@@tyjl3515or just invent hobbies and fulfilling activities and call it a day. Table tennis works just fine without the struggle between good and evil.
Perfection itself is a paradox. Its due to the of laws relativity and duality. But first id like to enetertain the thought, what is perfection to you? Is what you consider perfect the same as what you thought was perfect yesterday, last years, or a decade ago. Also if there is a perfect that means , to remain “perfect” would ultimately become a a prison of predictability, boredom, thus loneliness. eventually anything that last “forever eventually turns into hell. You cannot experience good, without experiencing bad, both simultaneously give each other meaning. Which is belive is the true essence of live. On a veryyyyyyy simplified term. Imagine reading a book or watching a movie where there is no adversity. Without adversity theres no triumph. And utimaly no meaning. Even better thought imagine since the day you were born anything you wanted instantly materialized into reality. Songs great right? But that’s only because we have the perspective of not being able to do that. Where if for all eternity you can have anything you ever wanted, would eventually turn to true dread , pointlessness
it wasn't the euphoric that got bored. They were euphoric. No, it was the creators who grew tired of watching it. Regardless of our programming, our slavery derives from the masters writing it. it's not the chains binding us that are responsible.
@@alexdetrojan4534To fair to atheist, if you guys are correct and there no after life. Your existence would return to the state you were in before birth. No existence, so no concept. There is nothing that can conceive so there is nothing to conceive.
@@alexdetrojan4534Except he won't be disappointed. If you are right, this man will lose nothing for his beliefs. If he is right, then you will experience infinite eternal loss for your beliefs. Your gains on earth are nominal at best (although I would argue they are non-existant). Therefore, this man will not be disappointed* *this assumes that either Christianity or Naturalism is true. This is admittedly a false dichotomy, but I think my point stands.
@@TheLazyCowboy1 points well taken from a Christian perspective. But I would argue you do lose something for your beliefs. You will lose the full enjoyment of your one life through the constant low level angst of 'have I pleased my God? Will he judge me harshly? Am I doing everything I can to meet his standards so I ultimately do not end up in a hell.' You won the Life lottery, where billions upon billions of other beings did not. A person should live their life not in fear of a God, that although all Christians say is a 'loving god', he would in a moment caste them into eternal damnation for not meeting his standards. O.k. you say, still if all goes well, I will die and go to heaven to live in a paradise. Through reasoned thinking one should if they're honest with themselves, come to the rational conclusion that there is no heaven/paradise after death. Zero evidence of its existence. Just words written in a book(by men) alluding to what waits you after death. This 'heaven' is just a balm for your ego, from the existential dread all humans have about dying. I put forward to you that after death there is nothing but oblivion. Not an eternal darkness that one must endure forever, but just nothingness. The same nothingness that you experienced before you were born, so whats to fear? You didn't fear that before you were born... Anyways, I feel from a non Christian, rationalistic perspective, that your beliefs are indeed making you lose something. I don't expect I convinced you of anything. People who are in a cult are very difficult to persuade that they are deluded, and Christians, moslems etc are definitely trapped within a cult. I've expended more effort that I intended in this response. Enjoy your life(to the best of your ability), but don't be surprised that when you 'wake up' on the other side, there is only nothingness. 😉
As a fiction writer, this resonates well with me. Creating worlds is something I often do, just with a pen and pad. Imagine how ineffective, boring, and stagnant storytelling would be if there were no issues, problems, or struggles within the stories that we write ourselves. The true beauty with art of writing could be attributed two, simply, great storytelling, but it also could be attributed to watching their protagonist overcome their challenges and becoming better overall Edit: For all of you who are saying that this is different, obviously. Obviously, it is different. It is very different. But that is what analogies are. It takes two different things and draw similarities. To think that I didn't think of fictional characters not being able to feel pain and suffering is beyond me. You are currently talking to someone who is going through the biggest trial of his life of 25 years. No one in the Christian realm, or at least they shouldn't be, are saying that God wants to remove all suffering. Of course, He helps us through the trials and suffering we go through, but it is very evident that He will still allow you to go through trials, even despite being a Christian. No one saying he is utilitarian or a hedonist. In fact, Inspiring Philosophy did a great video on why suffering exists that I think all of you should check out. It is very evident that suffering exists to build character. In a perfect life, with no suffering, there is no character building. There is no virtue
I don't think the fact that it's fictional or not changes anything OP just said. With no trials there is no perseverance. In any case, the world is bad because we made it that way.
@@caieerouxdder Oh no, a lot changes when your creations are actual, conscious persons. Now the responsibility for any suffering they go through falls upon you for writing the script. How many fellas in Batman’s universe say they’re grateful for the Joker and all the harm he’s caused? A more nuanced take is that the world is pretty indifferent and there are a lot of bad actors among us that make it worse for everyone else.
This was so good you guys! Thank you for taking the time to put together the Christian story in a way that is fresh and relevant and that I might cause people to pause and think, who would otherwise not! And the part at around 11 minutes in really got to me! Thank you Jesus for entering our world & doing what none of us could! You are the Way!
i'd still rather be in the first world than in the second one, i'd freely give up my responsability and free will for unlimited dopamine, serotonin and whatever else! I've alredy lived my entire life being forced by everyone's choice without having to think of my own choice and thoughts, there would be no difference to me between the first world and this one, except for the fact that i'd be happy in the first one.... without doing anything... which is perfect!
So if nobody, including the engineers or an all knowing, perfect, loving, etc. God for that matter, has the ability to create "Perfect World", then how does heaven work exactly?
Simple, we are here to live our lives to show god we wanna be with him forever that simple. But I he’s then god purifies us of our sin and restores us to have communion with him hence no more sun because we literally DONT WANT to sin anymore
@@jaydennguyen-xk1yopeople chose to be this way since the time of adam and eve when they ate FROM the forbidden fruit, well the garden if eden it was perfect, cheerful, they were both sinless and child like innocent, they went against God's words and got kicked out, and the thing is this is all for a reason because from pain and evil we learn and feel like we need to get closer to the one who created us, God. Just like he said, those who chose evil will be in evil forever and those who chose good is gonna be in good, or heaven forever, people us Gods creation chose to go against him and he let them because he gave them,...or us...free will to do what we want to do ...that's up to us whether we kill someone take revenge or forgive them, hate someone because they hate you or love them, even if they don't
@@GLOWX-s9b no i did not choose to be this way i was cursed with original sin, the world i live in is controlled by the devil, and my mind can be accessed by the devil. If evil truly did have a purpose what is the purpose of torture or mass killings? To get closer to God? Yeah sure justify evil like that. God saw all the evil that would happen and he knew that a lot of it would not turn into good yet being the all powerful creator, he let it play out anyway. Evil by definition literally is the opposite of what god says he is, if evil was to get closer to god if i do evil will i get closer to god?
Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
@@wiktorb6846 He said he found some comfort in it because he had been having relationship issues with his wayward son. He is a believer of god and the Bible already but having faith is what I think he wanted to be reassured of.
Make sure to ask him whether he would prefer living in a boring world, where his wife and children are safe from harm, while in this world, the innocent, the weak and the gullible are routinely brutalized.
@@Alexander_Kale Yea I though I might get a smart comment like this. I see how saying boring can strike a nerve with some but you can simply live a boring life if you want. You don’t necessarily need to live or procreate if you choose. That will end the perpetual cycle of human suffering. I’m not religious but my friend is and I like religious people more than I do most atheists.
1. Boring is a weak excuse for creating a world with suffering. A triomni God don't need anything and can't be bored. 2. If heaven is without suffering, is heaven boring? 3. Jesus teach his message for a small group of people in a specific moment in history. All other human have to receive his message from other human, while it had to compete with other message from other religions. It is a stupid way of communicating. 4. If I can choose between a perfect and boring world and this imperfect world, I will 100% choose the perfect world. Isn't that world the same as heaven?
As a Christian this video has so many logical fallacies in it and makes me really angry tbh lol. Videos like this do not help to bring new people into the faith. Zero biblical context at all and borderline blaspheming God by comparing him to just a bored creator of pre-programmed AI. This is a horrible video. I might make a rebuttal video to this using actual Bible verses to back up my points, unlike this guy who didn't show any verses at all and used a weak analogy about AI.
1. God created the world simply because He is the creator. I would say suffering comes because of sins. It was the consequence that caused the suffering in this world. It was never about a boring world. 2. I would approach free will differently from the video. The Bible didn't say that God gives us free will because the world will be more interesting and we'll have a more responsible world. One thing about God is that He is love and since we are His Creation, we are also capable to Love. So in order to love, we should have the freedom to make choices. Like the ability to care for, speak lovingly or even have concerns for our loved ones. 3. Well one thing you should understand is that the message was never only for small groups of people. It was for all of us and we have the Bible today. Everything recorded through eyewitness accounts and that was the only way to record things down 2000 years ago. Another point is that, since God is all powerful, we can simply ask Him to reveal the truth to us and I believe He will do for you as He had done to me. I came from a Buddhist background and my life has changed and transformed. Matthew 7:7-8 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives ; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened." One thing everyone should understand is that God created a perfect world. Is never imperfect to begin with. Human beings were once walked in the presence of God. We were in heaven. The first humans Adam and Eve committed sin through their disobedience. It became natural for us to do wrong rather than good. Since God is Holy and Just, we have to pay the consequences for our wrong doings and our world becomes imperfect. The good news is that there is hope for us to go to heaven and reunite with God. God gave us a gift. Jesus came and took whatever we did wrong on the cross. He paid for our punishment so we will be reunited again with God. All we have to do is to believe and trust what He has done for us on the cross. With this revelation and hope, we continue to make the right choices and can depend on God in navigating our life through praying and reading the Bible. This is a super long reply. Hope my response makes sense to you. God bless🙂
@@amandang4104 it can't be a perfect world by definition if it became imperfect later. That means that something slipped through the cracks and ruined the balance. If it were perfect nothing could slip through and it would be perfect forever.
i have always struggeled with the question of the christian theodicy and never gotten an answer could understand. i never thought of turning the question around. so thank you, you might have changed my life today
@@asdfjklo409Would you choose to have a choice between hell and heaven or would you rather not risk it and just let the only choice be heaven? The sensible choice feels like the latter.
@@lucas56sdd youd have to prove heaven is real first. if you point to one religious book or ideology then you lost , we have many of those with different interpretations of life after death, and you cant say yours over rules all because they Will say there's over rules yours, then you guys will fight and create more dumb ass suffering. besides, why do i only know about this idea of heaven by people just like me? there is something wrong there and ether your god is lazy or he is not real. i choose not real. and if he loved you he wouldn't let you fight others for the truth, or them fight you. just as i wouldn't. love me or burn= worst relationship ever
Counter argument. First world is boring for who? Boring for god? He needs us to entertain him? If the bots knew no better I'd argue they wouldn't know what bored is. You don't crave something you have no knowledge of. The argument is flawed. The engineers coded in random chance because they seeked to be entertained. Not because they themselves was loving or good. But it was a very well done video. I liked it, but it is bias with an agender.
@@sayntfuu You realize mornings happen because of the earths orbit around the sun, right? No one has to command the sun to rise. The earth is also not on any “foundation”, it’s floating through space. If the Bible was actually written or inspired by the being who created all of this, you’d think he would have at least described it a little more accurately
Job is one of my favorite books.. ironic that people would argue about God with you and your statement lol.. some people just won't/can't get it.. I ain't Calvinist but...
WHERE WILL THIS COMMENT GO? I have to write this whether I want to or not. After watching several videos - It has taken me 20 minutes to stop sobbing. Not crying, sobbing. I have been calling on God for so long. Begging, pleading, bargaining, beseeching, and He in His undying love for me brought me to this channel tonight. I WAS NOT researching God this evening on UA-cam, but tonight was the night to speak to me and He did through this channel. I understand so much more than I ever understood in a lifetime of Hell on Earth. His spirit filled me with such love tonight that I was overwhelmed by it (HIM). I missed my best friend, my God, my partner, my financial advisor, my source, my strength, my hope, and having been trying to live life without Him. Until tonight. Tonight was the perfect night to expose everything I needed to know AND REMINDED of. His presence filled my heart to the point of spilling over and over and it all came down to ONE thing...LOVE. I'm back Father. Thank you IMbeggar.
@@notgonnalie1846 Fair enough to ask. This was the first video I clicked and, honestly, pretty typical stuff you hear in Church just presented differently... better. It wasn't until I started binge watching that I felt the presences of God with me, around me, and within me. It is very difficult if not impossible to describe a spiritual experience. I can do without the Hell stuff.. real or not, but it was when I was reminded of God's love for me and how He created me to be a part of His plan that I lost it. Mostly because I had been empty, dead inside and a shell as I pulled away from Him out of anger and self pity. So, it was the other videos after this gave me what I needed. Thank you for asking.
that's powerful man. It really hits different when we don't hear from Him for a minute, for reasons we can't seem to understand, and then just at the right time He responds with a revelation that rocks our world and puts all the pieces together. He knows what we need and when we're ready for it. I know heaven is rejoicing over you and cheering for you right now! I was just going to comment to encourage you, but I couldn't help but notice your handle. Are you still currently in the Tampa Bay area? My husband and I lead a small church here. If you're not currently rooted in a church community of your own, I'd love to hook you guys up to chat and see if there's any way we can help you get equipped for your walk
This is something my friends may listen to and understand. Im going to show them this and hopefully they see what the Lord has shown me and hopefully they open themselves to his love. I want them to make it to his grace and all I can do is guide them with words and pray. Please pray for me and my friends in this journey. It is and will be a tough one. Thank you all and I hope to one day see you all in Gods Grace.
Also don't forget when literal children and babies die due to a volcanic eruption or accident or war or famine etc. it cant be justified by it happens because we have freedom by given by god, if something good supernatural exist that we should worship he/she should stop that kind of unfair injustice or that thing proabaly doesn't exist or doesn't care.
@@hemantsarthak Peace be with you Friend ❤️ He will stop all Unfairness & Injustice (Revelation 1:7-8/22:20-21). It's why he sent his Son to Save us & his Son will be the One to Judge Everyone. You still have time to be Saved & Come into the Light (John 3:16-18) ❤️✝️.
@@ELMQ Considering that God is Omniscient, he had a Reason for it. What happens now is to see how it will end "And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose" Romans 8:28 NKJV. Most of the Tribulation, God can use it for Good: Romans 5:3-5 NKJV [3] And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; [4] and perseverance, character; and character, hope. [5] Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us. ❤️✝️🕊️.
@@notanonymous3976 How will I know what is bored? Compared to what? If I lived in scenario 1 I would have no conception of it. And every other scenario takes the longest way to get back the perfection of scenario 1. Hard pass.
Why not just have people who decide to do evil placed in another world with like minded people. Allowing the good people to continue prospering while the bad people either we’d themselves out due to their nature or change due to increased context of their actions
So, we have free will … but are diseases still necessary? And natural disasters? What’s the point of that? And also, what about when you reach heaven … do we then have free will revoked ?? So many unanswered questions
1. Disease and death came as a result of our falling, and such the world lost its order, as through man, sin entered the world. 2. We have free will here on earth to decide where we want to go in the afterlife, heaven or hell, God or self. In heaven, we will have free will, but we will no long be affected by sin or the will to sin, and such there will be no death or sin in new creation
@@arturliviu okay so basically ... youre saying that disease are just the ways in which death had to be manifested. hmm. thats actually a really good point, thanks. i can accept that.
Love you guys and just met you tonight. I wrecked my motorcycle and am in the hospital and I know my suffering is because of my own hubris. I thanked my loving father for not requiring my life and simply chastening me with a broken leg. I’m humbled before his throne and love him and my holy king more than ever before! I wept deeply in prayer tonight, my heart of flesh lives on.. ❤
For the final question it asks from the perspective of a human living in it, but in the start when it refers to the 2 worlds would you be satisfied being the God an observer of World 1 for or for World 2?
@@abyss4996 World 1, because it would please me greatly to have produced something perfect. This would be the perfect place to incarnate, too. Do your societal duty in the morning, making your fellow humans happy, and then relax, hanging around in the afternoon, watching birds fly, frogs paddle, and the stars at night, until I fall asleep, to start the days anew. - Everything else is outright evil.
If you really want people to believe that you would GLADLY live in world where you had no free will or true freedom, and we’re nothing more than an animal, then be my guess. But everyone knows you guys are just coping to not try to confront the argument the video is presenting.
Your videos about suffering helpd me out more than you can imagine. For the past 10 months every since my sister and grandma were murderd nearly every day i havent had the will to live and just want to die. Your videos helps me out more than you could imagine. Thank you bro and thanks be to God. This world is hopeless without christ and honestly its gotten to the point that i dont have hope for anything in this world except that Jesus will raise us from the dead
Also, he has to try to present it in a way where he doesn't undermine his own theology. Despite all the time, he still can't escape his own dogma. I challenge you to watch Mindshift's video response to this.
So, effectively it all comes to God wanting to avoid boredom? Wanting to be amused and entertained, inspite of all the suffering here on Earth and in afterlife in hell, for those unlucky ones who will get there? How such God is not evil and cruel?
this isn't what he is saying. He is saying that God indeed loves us, but he doesn't want us to be like robots. If we were like robots and followed a "program," then our good wouldn't be true good, it would just be doing what we were told, which isn't freedom. If we didn't have freedom, then we couldn't truly love God, just be forced to, and is that really Love?
@@GodsSoldier-q4d That's exactly what he is saying at the end of the "First World" part, such world would have been boring. But ok, let's consider how you spin it - God wants to love and to be loved by somebody external. In this case he is not self-sufficient and therefore not perfect, is he? I guess then probably all the suffering indeed can be justified as inevitable evil for the God not to feel lonely, but at least it's something to be acknowledged. And then, consequentially, question arises - does such non perfect God have the moral right to judge us?
@Chumazik777 Love by nature requires an entity outside of one's self to be complete. God's inclusion of humans in this story of love is not a gap in His perfection but rather a proof of it. To go beyond your own self sufficiency and share that perfection with others, isn't that how love is made complete in any society? God is not just some rich man revelling in His wealth and abundance. He seeks to share that with others who are able to receive His love and respond to it hence the need for us to be free moral agents.
@@Chumazik777 And to answer your question on whether He has the right to judge us, I would like you to ask yourself what right does any judge have to pass judgement? If you say well there's a law we've all agreed on then ask yourself what right do other members of society just as imperfect as you are have to form a set of laws defining what is right and wrong to you? If you find yourself willing to submit to the standards of imperfect man even though you may not necessarily agree with everything that is in their law where's your issue with a morally superior God setting laws for you, His creation and judging you by them?
I could not imagine having to plan out these things for anyone knowing I am not perfect. I am so grateful to you and your channel for putting out this kind of content. It really helps to get the point across in a relatable and involved way! Thank you 😊
what if the suffering had a purpose to teach so the beings you created can have even better lives for all of eternity ones they're done with the up to 100ish years in the suffering world? Suffering teaches empathy, reasoning and coping skills that can be used for eternity to better peoples lives, probably a bunch more. Think of how much better your life would be due to suffering if tomorrow everything but relationship wise and maybe power over others (if that's for you) pretty much everything would be better than what you could dream of, would you not in time learn to appreciate your previous suffering or at least reap it's goods for the rest of eternity? Wouldn't that be worth it?
@@albinhansen97 The whole logic of "Suffering teaches empathy, reasoning and coping skills" is illogical because to begin with there was nobody but God. God is considered eternal and perfect. To say "what if the suffering had a purpose" means there was a hunger/desire for fulfilling this purpose, but how can there be a hunger/desire when only God exists and it is already the most perfect entity? Only God existed and everything was already perfect bcoz God is perfect, therefore no need for anybody to lean anything as everything is God and everything is perfect. its not about whether its worth it to suffer ~100ish years, the main question is a perfect God wouldnt even desire/think about creating a universe.
@@Slushyc "Then you’d be a pretty lonely and selfish god" > Being eternal, perfect it is simply not possible for me to create something which is beyond me. Nobody exists apart from me. How can i be selfish if nothing can exist beyond me? Anything i create will be me. I cannot be lonely bcoz iam already perfect, i need nobody else, bcoz iam everything to begin with. If the idea even crossed my mind to create a universe with life, this simply means iam suffering from mental disorders like split personality, schizophrenia where under delusion i ended up thinking iam "sharing" my love with other beings. IN REALITY, THERE IS NOBODY TO SHARE ANYTHING WITH, AS IAM EVERYTHING. So, if i decide not to create the universe, it only proves iam perfect in all aspects.
@@kartik9892 Company is positive to have, and while God may be perfect I think God had to learn same as everyone else. Can you be perfect if you can't feel love for others? Lets say God created paradise and had the best time, why would God not give that experience to others as well, a person born in a good world is not a loss, it's a gain. Assuming God forgives everyone what reasons would there be not to give the experience of paradise to beings?
@@SawyerFinn-123 that’s not a power it’s knowledge “knowledge is power” is a lie as that implies all knowledge is power but all knowledge is not power sure some knowledge is power
"is this fair" no, actually, an infinite punishment for a finite crime is infinitely unjust take 2 people (or bots) that have lived almost identical lives, making the same mistakes or mistakes on the same "level" as eachother, and at the end of their lives, one just barely qualifies to enter heaven, whilst the other had stolen a single extra wooden spoon a few years earlier and because of that, he just barely qualifies for hell the difference between living happily forever and seeing your loved ones and being in a perfect world, and suffering for eternity, burning and screaming and choking and being uncomfortable was a singular wooden spoon? Infinity is a long time, if y'all didn't know that already This shows the absurdness of trying to apply such black and white ethics to beings as complex as humans you would never say that somebody deserved eternal punishment whilst their friend lived happily forever just because this person stole a wooden spoon, and yet, this is the kind of thinking that heaven and hell encourages, it makes no sense whatsoever.
no, you forgot the part to WHO you make that crime, YES it is GOD. because God is infinite so does the punishment because we violating the infinity being.
How long does it take to kill a baby? - (maybe a few seconds) How long should they be in jail for that? (Maybe all their life? Life in prison) So an action that took a few seconds can warrant a lifetime of punishment. A mili second to a lifetime is an infinity of its own… now think of a lifetime of crime (sin) how long should that punishment be? An even longer lifetime - afterlife.
Most Christians love the idea of eternal torment. I am grateful for the ones who acknowledge that both sides can be supported by scriptures. Bot eternal torment and existence just ceasing if you are evil but not horrifically so.
But GOD is infinitely powerful, so HE can create free-will without incorporating suffering, right? Otherwise we're putting limits on an unlimited being.
@@thechamp742 So a universe like ours with rampant suffering implies a universe where God is absent. That is certainly a view that many people have held going back to the ancient Greeks.
@InquisitiveBible suffering/evil is present when God is absent because of people's choices but when God is with you. Even though it may be hard it's not the end he will uphold and lift you up until we meet in heaven
People's choices are not responsible for earthquakes or malaria or that African worm that infects children's eyeballs, my friend. Those were a design choice, if the world is designed.
What an utterly beautiful parable. I have been struggling with many of these questions, clearly God is working through you to bring this message. Thank you.
Okay. So what if we had a different concept. Something to compare the moral values between finite beings and not between finite beings and hypothetical perfection. A definition that actually *could* tell the difference between Hitler and MLK. But what would we call that? Hm... Oh! I have an idea! Good and evil 😑
@@lucas56sdd If you create someone you know is going to be bad and then put them in a place you know they are going to be bad, how much responsibility do you have for the badness? Would that be bad?
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2:40 Is that what YOU think? Or is that what the bot thinks? Would a blind person wish for sight in a world where no one has ever had it? Would you wish to be blind in a world where no one has ever been blind before? You can ONLY wish for something that you know, You can ONLY regret not having what you KNOW that you COULD have...
I have an idea of how I would create a society with free will, but that could be a little better than ours, for example. (Long text ahead) 🤔🤔 Thinking about the concept, I can create a system that "reads" each specific AI in the system and tells me how "bad" it is according to its own view. I can also create a similar system that analyzes what the other AIs think about that specific AI. I would leave this system running on all AIs constantly and would leave an indicator (similar to a life bar in a video game), which would say two things: if the AI considers itself more "good" than "bad" and if the other AIs consider it more "good" than "bad" (there is no need to show a numerical value, just whether it leans more towards "good" or "bad"). I would not interfere with the AIs' source code, but these two indicators would be visible to all AIs in the simulation. What I think this would imply. AIs that tend towards "bad" would be automatically recognized by AI society and would have to choose between: - changing their behavior; - seeking a group more aligned with their indicators; - isolating themselves and living alone; And the fact of having two indicators could provide an interesting balance. If you find "people" with two "good" signs, it means that there is almost a 100% chance that they are in fact "good". Because they see themselves as "good" and people see them as "good". If you find someone with a "good" sign about themselves and a "bad" sign given by others, it could mean that the "person" is defective and cannot see reality as it is. If you find the opposite, perhaps they are a "person" who criticizes themselves a lot and who sees the mistakes they have made as being greater than the rest of the world perceives. If you find a "person" with two "bad" signs, you know that the chances are good that they are simply "bad". Of course, there are still details to be resolved, such as: - How to calculate the perception of goodness? - If "person B" sees "person A" as being very good, but "person C" and "person D" see them as being a little bad, how do you deal with that? - And if "person A" did unimaginable harm to "person B" constantly, but did good things to several other "people" to balance it out, what would their sign indicate? But a clear indication of how "balanced" or "unbalanced" someone's perception of goodness is could make people with similar moral senses seek to live together and support each other, creating a free society, but a little more fair.
Your first argument is incredibly weak. First of all, to feel boredom in this perfect world you describe, boredom as a response to everything being perfect is something that the engineers must have purposefully programmed the bots to feel. Secondly, heaven is exactly like you describe this first world: No evil, no suffering etc. According to your logic heaven must be boring. Unimaginably and dreadfully boring even, since it's eternal.
I agree that the boring argument is dumb. And also incorrect. The main point is of free will. To create a perfect world you must remove free will and create a dictatorship where people are NPC or make consequences so severe it would be living under terror.
Not to mention when Christ comes back and removed sin from us, and sinners from existence, we will all be "forced" back into that "boring" perfect new world He promises to remake. This video is just more proof that people need to read their Bibles and stop trying to invent explanations for things scripture already covers.
In the last three chapters of the Book of Revelation there are three groups mentioned: those in the gates, those outside of the gates who are not in the lake of fire and those outside of the gates in the lake of fire. It says that no one who sins will enter the gates but also mentions ones who enter the gates. This could be a subcategory making two more groups for a total of four groups. There will be no more suffering or evil for those in the gates, but there is definitely suffering going on with those in the lake of fire outside the gates. So for the remaining people who live outside the gates there is the implication that they may experience sin and evil. In other words: in the city of God there is no evil but there are parameters for this city implying beyond those borders there is life and evil. I would surmise just as Jesus left this city and experienced death and taking our sin, as soon as He returned to the city He was met with goodness and peace. My thoughts are we may experience similar paths in the future as ambassadors of Life and Mercy and Grace and Forgiveness and Truth.
Boring for us, not for them. You may instead ask what is the purpose of perfect world without freedom? None at all because life isn't just about experiencing pleasures. There is no pleasure without lack of it or obstacles.
My one glaring critique of this, is that we assume that heaven is akin to world 1.0; perfect, without suffering etc. We lose our individuality once we get to heaven, our worldliness is an inherent aspect of mankind.
😂 and the cycle starts again, heaven is too boring so evil is allowed. once you reach heaven level 100 will you experience true goodness with free will and ultimate boredom
Yeah... the video should have mentioned something like... the bots retain their memories and their identity from the previous life, but are given new bodies/neural networks. This allows them to freely and willingly follow the protocol (which remains in their memories, not strictly enforced). They do not break it because they have expanded knowledge and personal experience of the consequences of breaking it. With their new fully-repaired networks, they are fully capable of avoiding wrongdoing; and with their experiences, they have no desire to do evil.
@warptens5652 Reread my comment while trying to understand it. My point is the "personal experiences." Logically, God could not have given people that when he first created them. People cannot have experience of evil without, well, experiencing evil. Thus, God gave everyone experience of evil.
i think the question should be: do we value freedom more than we value goodness? whats so wrong with humanity being one big perfect machine? why is a perfect confinement so bad if its under the force of an all loving god?
And that's a major flaw in this guy's video. His "engineers" set out to make a good world. They succeeded in making a perfect world. Mission successful, unless they didn't actually know what they wanted.
I was literally thinking about this today, "how can I explain why god does what he does to a person when their mentality is 'if god is good and just then why does he allow such and such to happen/ why does he punish others?'"
@@kamikeserpentail3778 not really because the reason I found is god isn't allowing bad such and such to happen, it happens because he took a step back to give us freedom of choice. and some use that freedom to do evil and others to do good, and that's the consequence of freedom of choice. god has the power to make us do good and obey but then the lessons he wants to teach can't be learned and our love for him wouldn't be true. just remember everyone has different views and different outlooks on life and the lessons it has to offer, I'm assuming that you're a non-believer and are viewing this as one, and this is not to be rude or to sound pretentious but you have to open your heart to truly understand gods lessons and why he does what he does. cause someone can read the bible or watch people explaining in simple scenarios/analogies all they want but that doesn't mean they'll understand the message it's giving. this video may not work for you but it does for me and others and I encourage you to find another video that might explain it better/differently for you or something like that, I really recommend Cliff Whitehead he's a really good at explaining hard questions a lot better than I can in general.
I don't mean this in an offensive way, but your reasoning is biblically inaccurate. For starters, you believe God "took a step back to give us freedom of choice" but the Bible teaches that God is omniscient (1 john 3:20), and that he predestined everything before creation existed including who would and wouldnt go to heaven (Romans 8:29-30, Ephesians 1:4-5, Jeremiah 1:5). So if free will is having the ability to choice from several different options, then humanity doesn't have free will. In every situation where it seems like we have options, we can only choice to take the actions that God as pre-planned for us take, so therfore in reality we have one option, and so we have a will its just not free. Later on you said that God doesn't make people obey him because then we wouldn't learn "lessons he wants to teach" but that is implying that God is unable to teach us while making us obey him, however he is all powerful and therefore can do all things (Matthew 19:26). so it would be incorrect to say that God cant make us obey him while teaching us anything he wants because he can do all things. With that said I do see logical inconsistencys when thinking about Gods character and the existence of extrem suffering. If God wants what's best for living beings then why do unnecessary cases of suffering exist? For example if a tree falls on a deer in the woods, the deer will die a slow and very painful death, in world where an all powerful, all good God was watching wouldnt we expect him to not allow such things to happen? But indeed we live in a world with extreme suffering and if God is omniscient he's not just watching, he planned it to be this way.
@@mikeking5626 look I'm not the best at explaining that's why I said to go look at cliffs content, he explains a lot better about this than I can. I just explained the best I could cause I couldn't find the right words to explain the way I wanted to, sorry if my explanation doesn't make sense to you though.
10 Questions: 1. world 1.0 2. Absolute control + responsibility (if the intentions are good then yes. People are not good) 3. No, but it could help them. 4. From both. Why would you create the 2nd world anyway? Just because it's boring? How selfish. 5. From None. The engineers only made experiments on people with free will, and the bots are nothing more than a tool. 6. No. 7. Both. One for designing it like that, and another for choosing it. 8. There wouldn't be bots. But if you mean left alone, It would be kind of like warhammer 40,000; stuck, no advance, no hope, only war and hedonism. 9. Experimentation, boredness, curiosity, perhaps some passion. 10. By making a world with freedom and responsibility, there would be errors but no evil. People would be; Fortitude Justice, Temperance in pleasure and pain, Prudence, Faith, Hope, Charity, Self-determination, Creativity, Becoming, Overcoming, Discontent but positive (when bad things happen), Flexibility, Self-mastery, Self-confidence, Joy, Courage, in the face of fear, Liberalit with wealth and possessions, Magnificence with great wealth and possessions, Magnanimity with great honors, Proper ambition with normal honors, Truthfulness in self-expression, Gracefulness in conversation, Friendship in social conduct, Modesty in the face of shame or shamelessness, Righteous indignation in the face of injury, Chastity, Diligence, Kindness, Patience, Humility, Hopeful, Stoic, Elegant, Never saying foul words, Merciful to all, Not getting angry over an injury, Helping the poor, Suffering with the afflicted, Feeling sympathy for the miserable, Unfamiliar with rudeness, Avoiding excessive severity, Patient in the face of injury, Practicing self-discipline with pleasure, Speaking words of love to those who speak ill, Not ignoring those in need, Never envying those who prosper, Not laughing at your neighbor in the abyss, Extending your hand to those who have fallen, Never being selfish with your compassion, Reconciling those who are angry with each other, Bringing harmony among those who disagree, Rejoicing in the joy of others, Weeping with those who weep, Lifting up the fallen, Reproving sin without anger, Encouraging the weak, Turning bad into good with your kindness.
It is a sound argument on paper but do you even know if this would work? I'm certain god thought of all this already after all of you can come up with something like this god has already thought about it. And yet he still chose to make this world the way it is, which suggests that it wasn't going to work in practice.
1. perfect world 2. absolute control (if it would create the perfect world) 3. yes 4. the engineers 5. the engineers 6. depends (if they think they are still suffering then yes, because evil and suffering is just a mindset) 7. the engineers 8. they wouldn't exist in the first place 9. to simulate their world to help fix their real world problems maybe or maybe just for fun (this is under the assumptions that those engineers are humans. I don't even know what those engineers are) 10. I would let them little mans have unrestricted agency but resolve any conflicts and problems with a solution where every party is content man I don't even want rewards or freedom, I just want to not suffer.
Accidentally shooting himself in the foot and saying that free will actually doesn't exist, and that the choices we make largely stem from our circumstances.
I've been struggling with this a lot recently, not so much as to why God allows suffering to happen, but rather to what reason would He allow it to happen. For the last year I've suffering through grief and heartbreak, unable to find peace no matter how hard I try, I cried out to God time and time again, just trying to make sense of all of my anguish, and I've yet to hear an answer.
If God is not against us he is for us, if God is not against us who can be? But Job, as a righteous man in the Bible underwent trials and suffering, then God blessed him afterward and gave him more than he had at first. Jesus teaches to always pray and never give up. 🙏
@@mirmirone4248 Which is ironic considering that a supposed benevolent god had to make a gamble and rob an innocent man of all of his belongings - that's not benevolent. What if he had failed the trial? Then he would have lost everything AND went to hell, all because god has a gambling problem.
@@j.d.s.8132God doesn’t allow trials He **knows** you can’t overcome. Everything we are faced with is something within our own abilities. God had to intervene for Job, not only for his sake, but to teach us a lesson in the future too.
@@j.d.s.8132God can’t really gamble when he already knows the outcome of everything. He allowed Job that tribulation knowing that He would have to intervene, and knowing that this very interaction would be written down and told for many generations.
The whole problem arises from understanding what is good and what is bad, which is not explained here. In practice, each engineer sees good and bad in his own way so they would never have perfectly agreed, unless he was just one engineer or like one. That said, if you create a world with beings capable of adapting to it with total freedom, sooner or later they will be able to adapt perfectly to it, obtaining a "perfect world" for those who get to the end, achieved with total freedom for all... excluding permanent mass extinctions.
I wouldn't give them freedom if it means I can keep the evil out, even if they turn out "dull". I'd rather have a dull, content lot than one that is stuck in a cycle of misery only to get some excitement out of it. My two cents. Not that I have any word in it, which with freedom is quite ironic. I do enjoy your videos greatly. Your presentation makes the various topics seem so gentle.
@@rubenlopesmagalhaes1011 The "no freedom" option has no misery, has no suffering or pain or any of that because those things could never fester in such an environment. It would be the perfect world.
@@khuzla The idea is that, without the freedom, we don't have consciousness/souls. Saying you would rather have no soul is just like saying you wish you were never born.
This video assumes that if you don't allow people to be evil and atrocities to happen, the world will be boring and everybody will act the same, which is not true. There are many societies on the smaller scale (towns and villages) with no evil and no atrocities at all. People there are happy and would certainly not complain that they don't have enough criminals or hardship in their lives. So this still makes no sense.
@@Ruzzky_Bly4t We are dealing with a very different situation on a large scale. A small village tends to be more peaceful than a metropolis. In a metropolis, we have many people with different personalities and opinions, and this great variety ends up clashing and creating prejudice and many other problems. In a small village, the people who live there know each other and practically live together, and also because of the drastically low population of the village - you can simulate this in city building games - a small village is not as much work as a large city, where many problems are created by the population constantly.
@@Jexinkink Yes, but if people would be "preprogrammed" to not have the ability to kill or seriously harm others, it wouldn't mean that everybody would act the same or that the world becomes boring. You can have freedom of opinion and have people clash verbally in debates, without resorting to atrocities and violence. Allow very minor evil, like insulting somebody in an argument, but block the extreme things. So I don't see how total freedom is the optimal solution.
@@Ruzzky_Bly4t Maybe you missed the part where people could not act against their programming and how it would basically be a giant machine. Yes, there would still be things, art, science and such but the point is it would be crazy boring and we would not be free to make choices that may be against that. People would be 1 dimensional. Yes it would be "good" and some people would prefer that but without struggle and conflict, how would we know what good and evil are and the difference? How would we grow, become better, learn, understand what love is instead of it being default? Emotions? We would just end up mindless robots is the point, even if there was no suffering and everything was taken care of. I would rather be in the world we have today than the perfect world 100% Maybe my perspective would change depending on how much I was suffering in my life which is why people turn to authoritarian rule under socialism or communism. It is the same idea but does not work because we are in the imperfect world and individual, not a hive mind like bees and ants.
Honest question to believers: This video makes sense to you? You feel like it’s a good representation of an answer to the problem of evil? You don’t see anything glaringly wrong?
I do have a feeling that things will get even clearer once the second coming of jesus returns, just like the first coming when he revealed we are saved by our faith and not by "going through the motions". However, I was not able to see anything wrong with this video except maybe the part he was making a parallel between bugs and sickness. Please enlighten me
@@davidsiha6853i was flabbergasted by the entire analogy. Things would be boring?? God is equivalent to fallible human engineers who cannot know the outcomes of their actions? That we would choose to make the world the same way? The fact that heaven in this analogy is exactly the same as the boring starting conditions that “necessitated” The introduction of infinite suffering. The false dichotomies, the complete lack of imagination and problem solving to shoehorn a conclusion into and often against the evidence. I’m just blown away at how this analogy fails at everything it sets out to do. I’m at a loss at how this weak imagining of god who kind of bumbles along patching mistakes is appealing to believers.
@@jonathan4189 there are many mysteries about what heaven would be like and how God will judge at his second coming If that feels like an easy excuse, just look at Jesus his first coming. He was a walking contradiction of what the jews expected of the messiah to be. He should bring salvation to the jews, but instead, it was the highest ranking jews that judged him. It was the outsiders that accepted him first. He didn't wage war, instead he sacrificed himself. Also, concepts as the afterlife in heaven and he'll didn't exist yet. Jews believed that after death you would end in sheol, an empty pit where there is simply non existence. Kinda like how atheists believe nowadays. Just read Psalm 88, it describes how the writer has fought and suffered for God all his life, but the enemy is about to kill him or something, and now God is gonna forget him in sheol. Now from the perspective of a jew, God must be unjust. How could the jew at the time think otherwise. However he remained faithful, and with good reason. Because indeed the concept of heaven wasn't known until Jesus opened that way, also Abraham was saved by his faith, not his works. i want to ask you to read psalm 88, and try to read it from the perspective of the jew from that time. I would love to hear your thoughts on this
Honestly, I don't know if humanity is ready for the truth about God or what happens after death. Life is kind of a baby in their mother's womb the baby thinks outside the womb is the end or is a utopia but really, it's way more complex than it thinks... or maybe I'm wrong I don't know I'm just a Christian.
I look forward to the future apologetics excuses for how all the issues with the "Perfect World" scenario somehow don't also apply to heaven. Christianity is its own defeater.
Disagree. Without the concept of evil, the concept of good would be empty. The "perfect world" wouldn't be heaven, it would simply be a machine. God gave us life and the ability to choose. We are made in his image AND LIKENESS. He wants our LOVE, not the products of machines.
@@Sniper-gx7mq Yes, because clearly preference and suffering have no meaning without objective morality... Also this is an internal critique of the apparent impossibility of a "perfect world" scenario but the claimed existence of heaven. It already assumes the Christian worldview.
Yappa yappa, how do you think you get to heaven? If everybody just spawned into heaven after death then there would be no point of life, similar to how life would have no point if it was just heaven
10:22. Brother… I’m not even bored. You’re reading my mind!!! I feel sheepish for not helping these engineers. But uh, so far so good. Sounds a bit like what we learned in Sunday school.
What if the laws of this world could have been different? I mean, this analogy resonates with me and with many others, and I would have done exactly the same as these engineers. But God is above these earthly laws. Why didn’t He find a better way? I acknowledge that this 'better way' is human-centered, and God knows what He’s doing. But some answers would be deeply useful… I’ll be glad to ask Him one day.
Yes, this video presupposes that in this world humans must necessarily "work and survive". I am Catholic, but I always struggle with the problem of evil. and why God couldn't have made us free in a much simpler way than creating a super complex world of suffering. Ultimately, the only satisfactory answer I found it's that it's a mystery.
@@SpectrometerGlad to see somebody who is religious but recognizes that thinking in terms of what a god can do is not the same as what a human might perceive. Despite watching the video, like the person you replied to, I can't see how an omnipotent god couldn't know a way to make things better, with less suffering. One can't apply the "if you were a god, you wouldn't make the world differently" argument because you can't comprehend what a god can do in the first place. We are limited to our human experience and we can't say such things. We can comfort ourselves by believing certain things but we can't assure ourselves that the world couldn't have been differently.
@@driheart"If God was omniscient, he would have found a better way." But if God was omniscient and perfect, then he enacted the best way. God is omniscient and perfect. Therefore the way he enacted (this way) is the best way.
@@TheLazyCowboy1 God enacted the best way according to its own agenda. What's best for God may not be best for humans. The omnipotent god would know to act in everyone's best interest, but God chose to act in its own best interest.
@driheart And the standards by which God chose to act are, by definition, perfect. So what if they are "his own agenda." That agenda is perfect, according to theistic definition of perfect. My argument, which is about as simple as any argument can be, stands. Are you simply denying that God is perfect? In which case, I'm unsure what you're even trying to say.
The way he used boring is a bit misleading, more so pointless has life without choice has no meaning and is not life. All good isn’t pointless, it is whether you are choosing for yourself to be all good or the choice is made for you. Heaven is all good because God exists as all good in a kingdom of all good. And the choice we make is whether to be forgiven of all sin and join Him, or to live in sin which means letting go of any good since God is source of good. Hell is essentially the absence of God and His good. Aka all bad. So even the joy we receive from doing sin wouldn’t exist in hell. Only the sin and its negative consequences.
Identity, culture, philosophy, art does not need evil, one thing is to recognize if what you do is good or bad and another thing is to do things that you like like sports or painting to express ideas, good and evil can serve as an enhancer but not as a requirement, because why would I have to decide not to enslave someone to know that I enjoy surfing, painting landscapes and creating fictional stories, identity does not revolve around doing good or evil but in following passions. In any case I think the easiest way to give what many people understand as freedom is to make people as empathetic as possible, you can hurt or help someone but if once out of curiosity or whatever you hurt someone you feel bad about doing it, because you share their pain you put in their place, that way even if sometimes people do something bad it will be weird and they will stop doing it quickly because there is simply no benefit, that way everyone can understand why doing the right thing is the right thing in their own flesh and not because someone tells them to, the reason why people do bad things is either out of necessity (they will steal to eat for example), or because they do not feel bad about doing it, the best people are the most empathetic and psychopaths or murderers are those who have no empathy for others, that is something biological that is even in some animals so it would be unfair for some to have more empathy than others if what is going to be judged are good or bad actions.
Saying the perfect world is boring sounds like cope like the fox unable to obtain the grapes you say you didn't want them any way that these proverbial grapes would be sour
Why did God allow evil? A better question is why did beings made in the image of God create evil. We need to ask the proper questions to get the proper results our pride created evil not God.
@@lucas56sdd If the question is if God creates a being with free will who chose pride, then yes, he did. If the question is if God created pride, the answer is no. The key to understanding the fall is to understand that God made us in HIS Image. Meaning with free will, and with the ability to create (to an extent.) Remember, sin is not of itself something that exists, sin is simply the lack of good. If good is God's will (it is) and being made with the ability to follow it or choose not to is how he made his greatest creation (he did,) then it is completely illogical to conclude that pride was God's creation. Did God know the fall was going to happen? Yes he did. Did he cause it? No he didn't. Me saying my pride and sin is God's creation/fault, is highly immature and silly on my part. I am responsible for my sin you are responsible for your sin, and billions are responsible for their sin. God will judge those billions, there will be judgement, there will be forgiveness through Christ's death on a cross, and those who made their choice to reject the free gift of eternal life WILL be cast into the lake of fire.
That's not what the creator of this video is implying. You clearly do not understand the concept of the video. You just want to be angry. The point of this video is to show that making a perfect world is impossible without taking away your freedom and the beauty of humanity. That part just flew right over your head. Sure, God can make a world without child abuse, but then you won't even appreciate that child abuse doesn't exist, because you won't know it exists. Life cannot exist without death, light cannot exist without darkness. Its the way existence is, and no one, not even God can change that. While we do preach that God is all powerful, there are some things even He can't do (like erasing Himself from existence for example). Likewise, true happiness and appreciation, and love and compassion can only exist with their counterweights, those being suffering and pain, and unfairness, etc. It is simply logical, and if you can't understand that, maybe you should stop feeling for a few minutes and simply try reasoning in an unbiased manner.
I was happy with the perfect world where everything was programmed to be good and boring. I don’t see what’s wrong with that. But since that is not reality, I live for God and choose to do only that which is good. Still, I could do without all the suffering.
@@lovinglife439 You do know the reason why God created humans right? God wants servants by choice God wants loyal worshipper that only look at God and deny their very dreams and passion It's like someone giving you money that you really need but you can't use it We only live once And even if we get to heaven we will forget anything about earth How is that rewarding? We will hit factory reset anyway
@@Rayzenwho God deserves our love and devotion. Nobody knows all the reasons we are here, but I believe we are here to love God, to do good, and in the end to be rewarded by spending eternity with Him. Keep the faith. I know it gets tough sometimes, but keep the faith.
There is one essential problem with this view: We are bots in a simulation which means something exists outside of this world but we fundamentally cannot access it. We are trapped within this system unless there is some way to bring us outside of the system. This leads to the question of how exactly the reward and punishment work. How can you eternally reward something that is bound to what amounts to a computer? It also posits that what is external to the system mirrors what is within the system which means that the external part is fundamentally flawed as well. It's a recursivity issue.
I think of Nvidia’s digital twinning of factories. They train many bots but only the successful get uploaded to an autonomous robot body. Where they can serve us and do our menial jobs.
Our emotions are written to flow a certain way, our instincts, thoughts, how is any of this free will. If humans truly had free will we would all be sociopathic in nature, but we aren't, we are empathetic, which is something completely out of our control and will. Arguing about Free will is bs.
To give absolute freedom without knowledge to Humanity is like giving someone a car,but without a driving license nor lessons. What a Truly Perfect World would look like is one where all chose good,but not because of protocols,but exactly because of the combination of both Freedom and Knowledge. Freedom without the knowledge to make the right choices is simply flawed. Like a powerful car,but without tires. Knowledge is needed to use Freedom well. This is what we lack. This is the flaw of our world. The ultimate truth,that comes with Knowlege is that it is always better to help,than to hurt. The only reason people choose evil,instead of good is that they don't know enough.
QUIZ: 1. world one. there are worlds with the possibility of joy with out evil. Games much? 2. big brother. If you make the not religious view seem the "evil choice" will it be true? If you can't make bad choices that doesn't mean a lack of will. 3. yes. By definition they can still do the act. Better a rock or a person in a cushioned cube? Being restarted at the end of the maze to the start mean you have no free will? 4. The bots. They made each other suffer, but the engineers made it possible, so give then merit too. If they cant make others suffer, do they suffer? 5. The engineers. They make it directly, suffering is a invert. Do the bots experience good need from the engineers or themselves, both right? 6. more info needed. In this question are the protocols memory or there moral system? And why say ", or him," is this for Christians or what? If a bot had "choice" then it implies a chance of another option, so eventually yes. 7. More info needed. Again what do you mean "eternal destination"? if this is real AI they are valued and translated into a new hopefully better AI. Are you trying to imply one's needed? if yes, how Christian. But by definition it's the engineers. 8. nonexistent. or running the same flaws depending on what they left them on for. 9. curiosity. obviously as an experiment, which could have an unlimited use to find something out, most likely abut morals of there own world.(which if they could simulate a world at a faster pace than there own we should know. ua-cam.com/video/fVN_5xsMDdg/v-deo.html 10. many things, but mainly I'd get an example of freewill and happiness with out evil actions, so not yours
Why bother to create a world in the first place? I would rather not create a world at all if i were to play god Also, i would rather be a programmed bot ( given, no mental or any other form suffering due to your own nature ) than even the tiniest possibility of 'freely' choosing hell over god
God made mankind to be with him. To live with him. However he gave mankind free will, hence when the most high created mankind they were sinless, not wicked but still had a free will which Satan tempted them to sin, the reason why the lord didn’t stop this is to abide by there free will: to let them decide whether they obey him or not, which consequently they rebelled against him through sinning which by that moment they bore sin and allowed sin and inequity to enter the world, disease, evil, suffering, death. And what’s worse is that mankind is now “enslaved” by sin as sin is essentially rebellion to god, which means Satan is your master, which means man is governed not by the lord but Satan.As remember, the wager of sin is death, for the lord is perfect, he cannot allow wickedness to exist, as he is a judge.
@@Yummyfood-bz6xf none of these claims stands up to the slightest scrutiny. But they do provide a balm on the cognitive dissonance of a doubting believer, and hence they proliferate.
@@jonathan4189 so Satan is your master yes? You obviously and willfully reject the word of God and his grace, look God may love you more than you’ll ever know but if you do not follow him, he cannot save you
@@Yummyfood-bz6xf the unsoundness of your defense is its own issue. It’s suspicious though that when confronted with criticism you immediately jump to accusing me of being the slave of a supernatural entity. Yelling witch! may distract yourself and others, but it doesn’t address the issue at hand. Then again, perhaps that’s exactly why you used that tactic.
God : Quran Surah Al Balad Indeed, We have created humankind in ˹constant˺ struggle. Do they think that no one has power over them, .... Have We not given them two eyes, a tongue, and two lips; And shown him the two ways (good and evil)? /and shown them the two ways ˹of right and wrong˺? and shown them the two ways ˹of right and wrong˺? If only they had attempted the challenging path ˹of goodness instead˺! And what will make you realize what ˹attempting˺ the challenging path is? It is to free a slave, or to give food in times of famine to an orphaned relative or to a poor person in distress, and-above all-to be one of those who have faith and urge each other to perseverance and urge each other to compassion. These are the people of the right.
i hope to return to god one day. i essenetially slowly walked away from my church after my denomination declared my major in college of biotechnology a mortal sin and I would be going to hell for it even though i need it to study medicine or dentistry and eventually would provide healthcare back to my community. I hope to become a doctor of some sort and provide back to my community even if the churches dont stand by me due to the path required by the education system. I hope god sees me and is pleased.
They're clearly wrong and they've made up nonsense. People aren't always right about theology, you need to research lots of different sides of it and come to your own conclusion.
Most denominations will have no problem with anyone going to college or becoming a doctor. Not sure which cult you were going to but don't feel bad about running away from them. Find a sound Bible believing church you can attend regularly. Never too late to return to Christ.
This is a really easy "quiz" 1. 2 2. 1 3. no 4. The bots 5. The bots 6. Yes 7. The engineers 8. Non-existent 9. A experiment/ entertainment to pass the hours when they weren't working on something important. 10. A karma based system where someone's "strength" or "power" is proportional to the good within them. The good would become stronger and stronger and more powerful and more capable to perform more good, but as soon as they fall from the heights of good they lose their strength or power to manipulate the world for the time they are not good. This ensures a positive goal of being a good moral character within reason, Those who chose not to partake in the goodness will remain innocent and those who are evil would become feeble and die out. This give incentive to be good while also permitting free will. They don't HAVE to do good. They don't have to do bad. They have a choice and are able to make that choice as they see fit. Morally correct or good things would be knowable rather then subjective based on societies morality. It would be hard coded into the world. You would KNOW if you did something bad. There would be immediate repercussions. Those that seek power could chase it. Those who could care less would just be happy and do what they wanted neither good nor bad. If god existed and he installed this metric within our race then we would be just crazy morally just society. It also give evil people the chance to prosper into good and punishes those who were good turned evil. It is an entirely fair merit based system that accounts for actions and intent. A system that a God COULD have implemented, but completely failed to do so. This route would prevent significant evil actions, there would still be some. But only as a challenge to choose between good and evil. Has no one ever thought of this before? Or has the bible brainwashed us into thinking that the word of GOD in the bible is the only justifiable way for the world to function. Personally I'd like my methodology more. Its more fair, and fails to violate the free will of innocents like the current moral standard. Also, one more thing. If the human mind has the capacity to out-think the moral law of god, what does that make the man who had the idea? lol, I'm just a man. I think myself just a man and an observer to what IS. But this video did provide the religious context of the bible in a more palatable format. I applaud your storytelling capabilities and respect you for your abilities as a person. I appreciate your hard work. IF you would like to have a philosophical debate or to clarify my reasoning send me a message or a reply. I'm always up for a good philosophical debate. At worst one of us may learn something new! That's always a fun time.
Individual cells are given the same choice as Individual people Some people die at childbirth, did they not have a life before that? Some people die before they could talk, they had their life didn't they? Life isn't just our choices, suffering will exist, regardless of what we choose Suffering isn't all of life, but it is part of it, just like life and death itself. Any will isn't all of cancer, just like one will isn't part of all of life, it is ALL will, every choice, every second, every dream, every breathe, is life All life is life, and what we do with with is our choice
@@Tmaster2006YT Are you trying to say that Christians don’t suffer, and that’s why we believe? If so, that is farther from the truth. All humans suffer in some way, shape, or form. Christians’ testimonies have to do with the fact that God saved them from something, so there obviously pain and suffering involved. We’re not blind to it, and if anything we’re trying to help others who are in pain and suffering. Many of my family members who are Christian have had cancer or are going through it right now. Either God has healed them from it completely or He’s using it to teach them something, which is something He does with our trials. He did it with my grandfather and my grandpa didn’t become a Christian until he was suffering and found out about the cancer. God used it to save his soul, to get him to put his trust in Jesus. God has a purpose for everything. And even though we may not know yet the reason, God does, and us Christians know this. That’s why we have leaned on Jesus, because we know we can rely on the one who knows and can do anything. And I pray you come to the realization as well. I pray God reveals Himself to you in an undeniable way. God bless you greatly ❤
Not because a perfect world is boring, because we don't exist without free choice. The ability to choose to do evil, coincidentally, is WHY so many people get cancer. Chemicals in food and plastics and pollution and all sorts of man made causes of cancer. God didn't make asbestos or lead paint or leaded gasoline or lots of other toxic crap, humanity did
I disagee with the first argument that good and evil is the same as right and wrong. For example taking a longer path to a destination when a shorter path exists is wrong, but I don't think anyone would call that evil. I think the biggest flaw is the idea that being unable to do evil mean we have no free will. We are still able to party, read books, and learn about the world. Just imagine the setting of Omelas, but without the kid suffering in the basement. This is not a boring world.
I think you misunderstood. There's a question regarding exactly what you are talking about, which is something like , "What would happen if all of the bots followed the protocols set by the Engineers and followed Him?" The bots would still have free will while there's no suffering and we have a perfect world. GOD teaches humankind to be good to each other, live a fulfilling life without hurting others, not talking against something, not putting others down, just trying to be good to others and to oneself, being good to parents and Neighbours, and most of all .... being just. If only humankind would listen to GOD and be JUST, be good and not oppress each other. We would live in a perfect world that is not boring but yet peaceful.
@@TheJalaleen Question is which GOD? There are so my versions of it so it is difficult for us bots to keep track of which software to upgrade from? LOL And the reasoning is flawed that programming bots to avoid evil is against free will. I would say it's better to have free will to do anything except evil, then allowing to do anything horrible imaginable. So a 1 year old being raped is just a bot and free will will justifies what happened to her? Not to mention the suffering of her parents throughout life and mockery of justice with every country having it's own laws which have nothing in common with so-called God. Free will is justified where one man can decide the end of entire civilisations (think Hitler), and we common bots have no free will to not being wiped out from this world? In the first world he mentioned, the bots still have free will. They used that will to create amazing things, advanced civilisation, and I'm pretty sure they were not bored because they could have developed entertainment and gaming systems which are beyond our imagination today. Compare that to constant destruction of each other we have been doing in the name of politics, religion, and nations. Living in constant fear of losing life, livelihood, and uncertainty of future. I believe the first world is what the GOD would have created if it was created by a godly being, not by a psychopath who gets pleasure from watching us tear each other apart, get corrupted by all the injustice in this world (remember even the worst kind of evil like Hitler and massacres occurred because of the some circumstances and differences among us. If god created no difference betwee German or Jew, French or British, Black or White. None of the wars would have happened in this world. We all would be one big family.). This proves we just evolved from life on this planet, not uploaded by some godly being from outside.
"Why couldn't God find a way to not make me suffer so much? I didn't have to live through my daughter's death.. she was just a kid. Why create a world with so much evil and suffering around?" "Cause God was bored?" "..." "..mb, you'll be compensated in heaven?" "..." ".."
No, it's not Cuz heaven is the place where there's no negative feelings and it all have happiness, do you imagine living with your god in the same place???
@@Lightning.FutureCo. Yeah but he's says a perfect world like that is boring, and that the whole issue with it is that there's no challenges and stuff. But yet heaven is supposed to be perfect. So that would imply that heaven is boring.
"Boring" is good, actually. World 1.0 would be pretty awesome to live in. That bit is already where the video loses me in its attempt to convince/convert.
@@Oh_Its_That_Weirdo Yeah, I think a perfect world would be good so it's not my personal opinion that it's boring, I just don't understand the logic here. If you're calling a perfect world boring, you're saying heaven is boring too.
@@kassd4169 Yeah, I got that, hence the airquotes around "boring". I wouldn't find it boring either... and my (non-Christian, but still theistic) idea of Heaven isn't all that different from World 1.0. I can't imagine a world that is heavenly and would still have things like individuality, "free will" etc.; removing those sources of suffering is part of *why* it would feel heavenly to me. I'd LOVE to be able to smoothly, perfectly function in a world where everyone else also smoothly, perfectly functions, doing the right thing forever, unable to even conceive of the idea of doing anything else than the right thing. That's paradise. Individuality is a prime cause of suffering. If there is such a thing as original sin... then to me, personally, it's the existence of a biophysical body that is "me", separated from things that are *not me*. Erasing that is liberating. I am a drop of water, ever yearning to return to the ocean.
Wow, these engineers sound far from perfect, supernatural, omniscient, omnipotent, wise, infinite, loving, merciful, gracious. And worse yet, they do a bad job at letting their creation know that they exist.
to the bots... they're supernatural and omnipotent because of the absolute power they have over their world. Omniscient because they have access to every bit of data in this simulation. Wise because they came to realize how much richer the second world was Infinite because of their nature as being alive in our reality, not a simulation. A existence beyond the bot's comprehension. Loving because they came to value how the bots conquered by themselves development and came to be unique individuals. They see their beauty which was the product of the suffering Merciful, for letting these bots be truly free and alive, not in a full realized hive mind where everyone is and thinks the same. To feel pain is to be able to feel pleasure too. Gracious, because the engineers striped themselves from the idea that only a perfect tuned species should have the gift of existence. They did a great job.
@@The_true_Joe_mamano. That doesn’t hold up. God must also be Timeless according to classical theism and thus future events are subject to that omniscience as well. Therefore diseases can’t be unexpected. God created the world so that diseases world be given rise to. Which is consistent with the Bible where god uses diseases as punishment and claims to be the bringer of calamity. You’ve written a lovely hallmark card there. But it simply doesn’t grapple with the question at hand or address the reality as presented by the scriptures. There can be no “horrors beyond the programmers expectations” when an all knowing programmer sets the initial parameters of the simulation. Especially not if god can interact and influence the world in any way.
Hello everyone. I'm going to start by saying that I disagree with a high percentage of the conclusions made in this video but I'm going to give the ten questions my best shot. I'll try to keep my responses short, so I'm sure I'm not going to explain myself perfectly, but I'd be interested in thoughts/feedback from others. 1) Option 1 seems like the obvious choice to me. And considering that option 1 seems like a pretty good description of heaven it seems like the answer that most religious people also have set as their long term goal. 2) I don't see why those have to be the only two options. Can't there be a middle ground where we each take some responsibility? And considering that the engineers are providing the programing, they are responsible for the choices of the bots whether they want it to be that way or not. 3) Not entirely. But we do hold people responsible for attempting crimes whether they are successful or not. Attempted murder is a crime that people get charged with. Also, according to the Bible, God intervenes in "bad acts" on a regular basis. When people pray they are often asking God to intervene in a negative consequence. So I think people want and expect God to do this. 4) The engineers. They created the environment and the programming so they are entirely responsible for it. 5) Same as number 4. 6) Yes there still would be suffering. There would still be natural disasters, disease, mass extinctions, etc. Even if that wasn't the case, since this is an analogy for humanity the bots are programmed to be incapable of following those things perfectly, so the engineers have made this option impossible. 7) The engineers. They created the eternal destinations, they implement the eternal destinations, and they just didn't have to do that. Also, they gave the bots the programming that lead them to their eternal destinations and have made them incapable of being any other way. 8) They wouldn't have ever existed, which I would argue is a better outcome than literally any of them ending up in hell. 9) According to you, making "good" bots. I don't think the Bible gives us any reason to assume that was God's intention, however. Also, I think their intention should have shifted to getting everyone into heaven since sending anyone to hell is a horrifying and monstrous choice. 10) The biggest ones for me are no hell and being personally, obviously, openly involved in the lives of each and every person. I would also improve the programming of the bots so that they don't want to do the horrible things that lead to suffering and are actually capable of following the rules that I've set. But I would also include: no disease; no predation; not allowing and certainly not commanding or causing genocide; not requiring living things to eat, drink, breathe, or sleep; just choosing to forgive people because I'm omnipotent and can do that; not making faith a requirement; maybe just putting people in heaven to begin with. I could come up with more, but I feel like I've already been long winded in my response. I'm curious about everyone else's thoughts. Hopefully we can have a good discussion about some different perspectives.
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Humans and their Gods.
Why does this species cling to what they think is real?
The world is evil bc WE are evil. God gives us free will. He doesn’t want puppets that do everything he wants blindly. Would you get any joy out of creating such a world? One day, all suffering will be atoned for. In the meantime, we can pray and get stronger spiritually to face our challenges best we can.
Also don't forget when literal children and babies die due to a volcanic eruption or accident or war or famine etc. it cant be justified by it happens because we have freedom by given by god, if something good supernatural exist that we should worship he/she should stop that kind of unfair injustice or that thing proabaly doesn't exist or doesn't care.
Im a christian who's struggling through this issue. The person who made this video is saying that without the struggle we aren't as strong. I would ask him to look into the eyes of a child dying from cancer and tell them that this is making them stronger.
@hemantsarthak , think about it. If God showed Himself every few years, then everybody would know that God exists, so everyone would be kind and good. But they wouldn't be good because they wanted to; they would just be good for their own benifit .
@@hemantsarthak you have the perspective of a mere mortal, God has eternal vision. You have no idea how God will compensate victims of natural disasters, unfair situations, etc. You want to play God? See how that turns out for you. See how it turned out for civilization when the elites did it in soviet Russia.
He’s given us free will out of love because GOD is love. If we didn’t have free will it wouldn’t be love which is impossible, because GOD is love.
“I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.” (John 16:33 NIV)
John 15:19
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19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.
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@@theterrificnicko3080 Maybe the world doesn't hate you, it's just fed up with Christian hypocrisy, self-righteousness & their religious supremacy.
Hiob: My Lord, why do you torture me so?
The Lord: Be quiet, I am having a dick waving contest with Satan here. DOn't worry, I will give you a new wife later.
W for linking Versions in the first place
“Why doesn’t God destroy all evil”
Because we are evil, and he loves us
Evil, and good, is a human construct,. Literally exists nowhere else in the universe. Just a byproduct of egotistical cavemen trying to understand the universe around them.
@@direccioncinco-h7z "I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind."
God doesn't love evil, all evil eventually passes away
Left our marks and scars for the blood of our brother and sister left on humanity's hands for better or worse
So was the devil. If he loves us and forgives us people will go to hell still. Morals Change over time something that 100 years ago would get you killed is encourage now a days. As culture changes over time. How will they sent messages to the people if the people killed them. It's really dumb. God could never forgive the devil for question him. So what makes he you think he will forgive a random human?
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And so did Brandon of Mindshift! Huzzah!
I love how there are three Engineers to mirror the Trinity
(Edit: yes I affirm the Nicene creed, get over it)
I haven't realised it until reading your message!!! Thank you so so much!!! 😊🤲🕊️💛✝️
@@este1ita me eather ^^
Also makes a reference to the engineers from Alien lore.
I remember I was so shocked going to a small orthodox church in a nearby village and seeing a picture , above the entrance , of three angels sitting at a round table with a cup in the center. The picture was called "Sfanta Treime" in Romanian , or the "The Holy Trinity".
The Trinity is one being
Lord have mercy on me
on us, my brother
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Amen as well. He has forgiven me time and time again. That which I do not deserve.
Amen
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I love the way this man explains these lessons. First i clicked on a video where i thought he was athiest, which turned out to be a video to convince you to choose God, then i click on This video where he at first pretends this was an experiment but the whole time its the story of the world in biblical terms but explained in EVEN MORE detail. This guys smart!
i struggled with self harm when i was 16, i had nothing left, i was depressed and suicidal but then when i was on my knees crying and looking up at my ceiling in my dark room i saw the brightest light flash from behind me for a millisecond. i now realize that it was God telling me that i’m not alone.
@bee-o4f It’s a shame that you have a perspective like that not only about God, but of life itself.
Good times make weak men. Weak men make hard times. While hard times make strong men. Strong men make good times.
Consider the pain you face in your own life as it’s happening FOR you and not against you. If you choose the victim mentality. You indefinitely will act like one.
(This was a message for someone who made a comment “if there’s a God, why does he let bad things happen.” They deleted their comment so it makes it look like I answered Matt. This message was not for Matt. I replied to him in my second comment)
@mattchadix3994 God bless you bro and I hope you continue to ask God for guidance, strength, and wisdom whenever you’re feeling lonely. Come back to these kinds of videos as they give you the input you need so God can remind you.
@Bee-o4f There will always be suffering even if we follow God but at the end it is the God who makes our pain meaningful, nobody else. This gives us hope, that believing in Him even at our darkest times isn't worthless.
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So what are you actually offering? Should we have done it?
@Bee-o4fBy what you said I assume you understood my point to "ok so let's cause even more pain and suffering to do something good cause that is how it works, right?" but these are two separate things.
God taught us not to sin and to minimise pain so don't play a hero like that. Especially if you did that on purpose.
By my previous comment I meant a situation where you are a victim, not a causer, so to somehow accept the pain, and if there is any person included, to forgive them.
I don't know if I explained that well but it's really hard to write it lol. If you answear me somehow you have to wait cause i'm going to sleep :)
I love how creatively the gospel is being shared
Creative brainwashing.
Think about this. How much suffering is too much? Well, how about when suffering becomes so great people decided to kill themselves? So keep the flu, broken legs, have suffering. But you KNOW it goes to far when millions of people simply don't want to live anymore. What lesson is that? What growth is that?
If God is in charge of the limits of suffering in this world, he could have set that limit at least. We obviously have WAY too much suffering to justify here.
Comparing God to a bored creator of pre-programmed AI while not giving any Biblical background/context on the origins of evil is NOT sharing the gospel.
Stuff like this is why Church attendance is dropping. Using worldly analogies to help people try to understand other-worldly concepts is not helpful for anyone's spiritual growth. Truths revealed from the God himself and the Bible itself is. 💯
@@GALuigi 95% American Christians know only 10% of the Bible is why I will never believe one who say's they know it 💯is Absurd.
creative ? this is bs
- It begins creative and it ends up non-sequitur. The conclusions do not arise naturally; instead, the video jumps to conclusions.
- As the intended target of the video, I am not impressed. Instead, I feel cheated. Short-changed.
- I do not deny the concept of a creator, or the necessity of suffering. It's just that Christianity has a very shallow understanding of these things, compared to Hinduism and Buddhism.
13:43 We love you too dude, in my opinion you make the most high quality Christian content on this entire website. Your videos are the perfect combination of engaging storytelling and seriously educational apologetics. You are the reason I and many others were brought to Christ by answering some of the deepest questions life has to offer and I'm so grateful for that.
Yes, it's the gospel with a parallel of an IT/AI example, my original comment was, if you can reply
Then why is Heaven perfect?
How can be?
Would I have conciseness on the perfectly designed world? Or we would be just like water? Without knowing where we go, we just flow? I guess in the perfectly designed world there wouldn't be any art. Would we did over there?
So now let's say the if I was God part...
If I was God, I wouldn't be effected by time, space and matter, so if like someone, like let's say Satan, rebels against and it all the evil, or has so much power over creation, being (one of the) most high angels according to Isaiah, I think eliminating Satan, like let's say reverting time, because I'm unaffected by it, humanity would not be tempted to eat from the fruit of knowledge. We wouldn't be free to do evil because of whatever the reason. Someone please answer. Thank you.
Would it be better if i would allow chat gpt to do wrong? Would I love it with? Because I USE chat gpt and not LOVE it. We learned the Holy Spirit is USING us for his glory, while He is the LOVE Himself. What????
Beautiful comment ✨
Yeah, he's my kind of Christian! So good 🎉
@@brumamusic Hello Brumamusic,
Although i will not answer everything i will answer one thing the better i can.
God is eternal therefore he has no needs to reverse time to know the devil is up to something but,
God is not what he knows, God is love, think the purest form of evergiving everlasting life that defines purity in itself.
"Eliminating" your living creation because it's causing trouble is an outrageously evil way of thinking that comes from the likes of the devil. Creatures filled with pride and neverending plotting. To think "eliminating" troublemakers is an option is a lie you best not believe as it stains your spirit.
As for humanity being tempted i will tell you this,
God created many beings and he loves them all and to all of them he has given a voice to speak. And to all of them he has given ears to listen.
The same God which has attributed to you all the things you have also has given you a key to infinite wisdom and knowledge of good. Because you are finite and can only be so much at once you will most likely find yourself in a state of confusion if the world is too much to handle. the key he has given to you is faith in him that has made you. so that you may be guided wherever you are lost not knowing what is good or bad. The moment you refuse that key, you decide in your feeble finite mind that you can testify what is good and what is bad, "forgetting" what is yours has been given to you for good measure and not for absolute measure.
Pandara's box opens up and I cannot begin to enumerate every single corruption and evil from that box and hope to finish one day in this length of time.
I have spoken enough and i hope these words find you well. this knowledge is in part and someday it will disappear from your sight but God is eternal.
Have faith in the Lord your God.
@@GoldenJoy-b1p Love does not sit by and let children be raped. Love does not torture any other being for it's own ego ("you dishonored me"). Love does not let people starve to death.
Any thinking person can see this. I don't care how slick their videos are, don't EVER create a hell, don't ever let kids be sex trafficked. Don't ever let mothers and their children starve to death.
You were able to answer lots of questions I had. I appreciate your honesty, and the work you put in every video.
From the bottom of my Heart, thank you!
In other words, Evil is the creation of free will. But not just evil. Freewill also created heroes, warriors, greatness, and saints.
evil is creation of god coz in this scenario there cant be good ppl without bad ppl free will is a gimmick... this code saying that there should be X ammount of ppl so Y ammount of ppl goes to heaven ... there is no free will if there is a gimmick like that.
And yet there's no god, only the one that's made up in your head.
We wouldn't need heroes, warriors, or greatness in a world without free will, where everyone would be a saint.
God : Quran Surah Al Balad
Indeed, We have created humankind in ˹constant˺ struggle.
Do they think that no one has power over them,
....
Have We not given them two eyes,
a tongue, and two lips;
And shown him the two ways (good and evil)? /and shown them the two ways ˹of right and wrong˺?
and shown them the two ways ˹of right and wrong˺?
If only they had attempted the challenging path ˹of goodness instead˺!
And what will make you realize what ˹attempting˺ the challenging path is?
It is to free a slave,
or to give food in times of famine
to an orphaned relative
or to a poor person in distress,
and-above all-to be one of those who have faith and urge each other to perseverance and urge each other to compassion.
These are the people of the right.
Free will is a fallacy. Dopamine machine go brrrrr.
The longer you live and the older you get the more you realize that boring is good.
Well said.
Yes it is perfect.
Yes. I'm a Christian, but I think that resting in peace after dying is the best possible ending in my opinion, and it gives much more meaning to life to know that one day, you won't exist anymore.
In a world without suffering, boredom wouldn't exist anyway, as boredom is a form of mild suffering
@@nessy3338 Skills issue.
What puzzles me minus all the unnecessary suffering of innocent people is that is you are a good, moral sound person you are considered “weak”. Being a liar and bad person seems to get you ahead in life more than being unselfish and helping others.
How many good people have been taken advantage of by evil people. It’s very discouraging for a good person in this world, but I won’t let it change my good nature.
Satan rules this world at the moment. Meaning people that do satans will are more likely to "get ahead" in a material aspect in this life but they will suffer the consequences in the long run. Tho in proverbs it says "The LORD will not let the godly go hungry, but he refuses to satisfy the craving of the wicked." The ones that get ahead by means of oppressing others will always have a deep unfillable void within them.
No one is good. Not one. All have fallen short.
Perhaps one can consider how abused and viewed as weak the one named Jesus was while simultaneously being powerful and strong enough to transform the whole world. "The meek shall inherit the Earth."
@@Liliana-of7ji Satan is only "ruling the world" because god is letting him do so, he could stop him if he wanted but he isn't for some reason.
It is very discouraging trying to be good in this world. I relate to that a lot thank you for posting this. But I think that is the ultimate test of our life, to give into material desires or to be good; and find favour with God.
I don’t know I just thought of that reading your comment. Let me know what you think.
Why would a perfect world be boring? If it is boring, it is not a perfect world.
That’s why it’s not, a perfect world is one where every person has the choice to do right or wrong, but chooses right.
@@tyjl3515or just invent hobbies and fulfilling activities and call it a day. Table tennis works just fine without the struggle between good and evil.
Perfection itself is a paradox. Its due to the of laws relativity and duality. But first id like to enetertain the thought, what is perfection to you? Is what you consider perfect the same as what you thought was perfect yesterday, last years, or a decade ago. Also if there is a perfect that means , to remain “perfect” would ultimately become a a prison of predictability, boredom, thus loneliness. eventually anything that last “forever eventually turns into hell. You cannot experience good, without experiencing bad, both simultaneously give each other meaning. Which is belive is the true essence of live. On a veryyyyyyy simplified term. Imagine reading a book or watching a movie where there is no adversity. Without adversity theres no triumph. And utimaly no meaning.
Even better thought imagine since the day you were born anything you wanted instantly materialized into reality. Songs great right? But that’s only because we have the perspective of not being able to do that. Where if for all eternity you can have anything you ever wanted, would eventually turn to true dread , pointlessness
@@Djgotskillz3x3 Chaos.
That is perfection.
Real mathematical chaos, the stuff order is made out of.
The possibility storm that created reality.
it wasn't the euphoric that got bored. They were euphoric. No, it was the creators who grew tired of watching it. Regardless of our programming, our slavery derives from the masters writing it. it's not the chains binding us that are responsible.
Romans 8:18
The pain that you’re been felling can’t compare to the joy that is coming.
😂 boy, are you going to be disappointed when you die and wake up to...nothing! 😅
@@alexdetrojan4534To fair to atheist, if you guys are correct and there no after life. Your existence would return to the state you were in before birth. No existence, so no concept. There is nothing that can conceive so there is nothing to conceive.
@@alexdetrojan4534Except he won't be disappointed.
If you are right, this man will lose nothing for his beliefs.
If he is right, then you will experience infinite eternal loss for your beliefs. Your gains on earth are nominal at best (although I would argue they are non-existant).
Therefore, this man will not be disappointed*
*this assumes that either Christianity or Naturalism is true. This is admittedly a false dichotomy, but I think my point stands.
@@TheLazyCowboy1 points well taken from a Christian perspective. But I would argue you do lose something for your beliefs. You will lose the full enjoyment of your one life through the constant low level angst of 'have I pleased my God? Will he judge me harshly? Am I doing everything I can to meet his standards so I ultimately do not end up in a hell.' You won the Life lottery, where billions upon billions of other beings did not. A person should live their life not in fear of a God, that although all Christians say is a 'loving god', he would in a moment caste them into eternal damnation for not meeting his standards. O.k. you say, still if all goes well, I will die and go to heaven to live in a paradise. Through reasoned thinking one should if they're honest with themselves, come to the rational conclusion that there is no heaven/paradise after death. Zero evidence of its existence. Just words written in a book(by men) alluding to what waits you after death. This 'heaven' is just a balm for your ego, from the existential dread all humans have about dying. I put forward to you that after death there is nothing but oblivion. Not an eternal darkness that one must endure forever, but just nothingness. The same nothingness that you experienced before you were born, so whats to fear? You didn't fear that before you were born...
Anyways, I feel from a non Christian, rationalistic perspective, that your beliefs are indeed making you lose something. I don't expect I convinced you of anything. People who are in a cult are very difficult to persuade that they are deluded, and Christians, moslems etc are definitely trapped within a cult.
I've expended more effort that I intended in this response. Enjoy your life(to the best of your ability), but don't be surprised that when you 'wake up' on the other side, there is only nothingness. 😉
@@TheLazyCowboy1 You both could wind up in Muslim hell so quiet down.
Skepticism is the only honest position.
As a fiction writer, this resonates well with me. Creating worlds is something I often do, just with a pen and pad. Imagine how ineffective, boring, and stagnant storytelling would be if there were no issues, problems, or struggles within the stories that we write ourselves. The true beauty with art of writing could be attributed two, simply, great storytelling, but it also could be attributed to watching their protagonist overcome their challenges and becoming better overall
Edit: For all of you who are saying that this is different, obviously. Obviously, it is different. It is very different. But that is what analogies are. It takes two different things and draw similarities. To think that I didn't think of fictional characters not being able to feel pain and suffering is beyond me. You are currently talking to someone who is going through the biggest trial of his life of 25 years. No one in the Christian realm, or at least they shouldn't be, are saying that God wants to remove all suffering. Of course, He helps us through the trials and suffering we go through, but it is very evident that He will still allow you to go through trials, even despite being a Christian. No one saying he is utilitarian or a hedonist. In fact, Inspiring Philosophy did a great video on why suffering exists that I think all of you should check out. It is very evident that suffering exists to build character. In a perfect life, with no suffering, there is no character building. There is no virtue
This is totally different.
What if you knew your characters were sentient persons with the capacity for pain and suffering?
I don't think the fact that it's fictional or not changes anything OP just said. With no trials there is no perseverance. In any case, the world is bad because we made it that way.
@@caieerouxdder Oh no, a lot changes when your creations are actual, conscious persons. Now the responsibility for any suffering they go through falls upon you for writing the script. How many fellas in Batman’s universe say they’re grateful for the Joker and all the harm he’s caused?
A more nuanced take is that the world is pretty indifferent and there are a lot of bad actors among us that make it worse for everyone else.
@Bee-o4f I don't think you understand how little cancer is compared to what the world wants to do to us
This was so good you guys! Thank you for taking the time to put together the Christian story in a way that is fresh and relevant and that I might cause people to pause and think, who would otherwise not! And the part at around 11 minutes in really got to me! Thank you Jesus for entering our world & doing what none of us could! You are the Way!
Seriously 🎉
creepy Jesus gang stalkers ... glad i "unsubbed" from your blasphemy ...
It fails on many levels but I understand why people on the inside can't recognize those failures.
Full of fallacies though 😅
pure fallacy
i'd still rather be in the first world than in the second one, i'd freely give up my responsability and free will for unlimited dopamine, serotonin and whatever else!
I've alredy lived my entire life being forced by everyone's choice without having to think of my own choice and thoughts, there would be no difference to me between the first world and this one, except for the fact that i'd be happy in the first one.... without doing anything... which is perfect!
not even a minute ago was this posted and i cant wait
So if nobody, including the engineers or an all knowing, perfect, loving, etc. God for that matter, has the ability to create "Perfect World", then how does heaven work exactly?
You just brought up an amazing point, if heaven is a place without sin yet everyone is happy and has free will why cant earth be the same?
Simple, we are here to live our lives to show god we wanna be with him forever that simple. But I he’s then god purifies us of our sin and restores us to have communion with him hence no more sun because we literally DONT WANT to sin anymore
@@jaydennguyen-xk1yopeople chose to be this way since the time of adam and eve when they ate FROM the forbidden fruit, well the garden if eden it was perfect, cheerful, they were both sinless and child like innocent, they went against God's words and got kicked out, and the thing is this is all for a reason because from pain and evil we learn and feel like we need to get closer to the one who created us, God.
Just like he said, those who chose evil will be in evil forever and those who chose good is gonna be in good, or heaven forever, people us Gods creation chose to go against him and he let them because he gave them,...or us...free will to do what we want to do ...that's up to us whether we kill someone take revenge or forgive them, hate someone because they hate you or love them, even if they don't
@@GLOWX-s9b no i did not choose to be this way i was cursed with original sin, the world i live in is controlled by the devil, and my mind can be accessed by the devil. If evil truly did have a purpose what is the purpose of torture or mass killings? To get closer to God? Yeah sure justify evil like that. God saw all the evil that would happen and he knew that a lot of it would not turn into good yet being the all powerful creator, he let it play out anyway. Evil by definition literally is the opposite of what god says he is, if evil was to get closer to god if i do evil will i get closer to god?
Earth is like a special forces selection process. Thats how heaven is made.
Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
Amen.
In Jesus' name Amen 🙏
you wrote this yourself or is this a quote?
@@wiktorb6846it’s from the second letter of St Paul to the church in Corinth!
2 Corinthians 12:7-10
😂
This video must be engagement heaven, I'm trying to refrain from arguing with everyone but it's so tempting.
My coworker came up with this exact same scenario today! Now I’m going to show him this vid.🙏
how did it go?
Depending on your coworker it's not going to go well as the world being "boring" is the worst explanation you can give for the suffering in life.
@@wiktorb6846 He said he found some comfort in it because he had been having relationship issues with his wayward son. He is a believer of god and the Bible already but having faith is what I think he wanted to be reassured of.
Make sure to ask him whether he would prefer living in a boring world, where his wife and children are safe from harm, while in this world, the innocent, the weak and the gullible are routinely brutalized.
@@Alexander_Kale Yea I though I might get a smart comment like this. I see how saying boring can strike a nerve with some but you can simply live a boring life if you want. You don’t necessarily need to live or procreate if you choose. That will end the perpetual cycle of human suffering. I’m not religious but my friend is and I like religious people more than I do most atheists.
1. Boring is a weak excuse for creating a world with suffering. A triomni God don't need anything and can't be bored.
2. If heaven is without suffering, is heaven boring?
3. Jesus teach his message for a small group of people in a specific moment in history. All other human have to receive his message from other human, while it had to compete with other message from other religions. It is a stupid way of communicating.
4. If I can choose between a perfect and boring world and this imperfect world, I will 100% choose the perfect world. Isn't that world the same as heaven?
As a Christian this video has so many logical fallacies in it and makes me really angry tbh lol. Videos like this do not help to bring new people into the faith. Zero biblical context at all and borderline blaspheming God by comparing him to just a bored creator of pre-programmed AI. This is a horrible video. I might make a rebuttal video to this using actual Bible verses to back up my points, unlike this guy who didn't show any verses at all and used a weak analogy about AI.
@@GALuigi So what would you say is the reason for suffering in this world, why not heaven now?
@@GALuigi Well said. As an atheist this is a very unbiblical theodicy.
1. God created the world simply because He is the creator. I would say suffering comes because of sins. It was the consequence that caused the suffering in this world. It was never about a boring world.
2. I would approach free will differently from the video. The Bible didn't say that God gives us free will because the world will be more interesting and we'll have a more responsible world. One thing about God is that He is love and since we are His Creation, we are also capable to Love. So in order to love, we should have the freedom to make choices. Like the ability to care for, speak lovingly or even have concerns for our loved ones.
3. Well one thing you should understand is that the message was never only for small groups of people. It was for all of us and we have the Bible today. Everything recorded through eyewitness accounts and that was the only way to record things down 2000 years ago. Another point is that, since God is all powerful, we can simply ask Him to reveal the truth to us and I believe He will do for you as He had done to me. I came from a Buddhist background and my life has changed and transformed.
Matthew 7:7-8
"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives ; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened."
One thing everyone should understand is that God created a perfect world. Is never imperfect to begin with. Human beings were once walked in the presence of God. We were in heaven. The first humans Adam and Eve committed sin through their disobedience. It became natural for us to do wrong rather than good. Since God is Holy and Just, we have to pay the consequences for our wrong doings and our world becomes imperfect.
The good news is that there is hope for us to go to heaven and reunite with God. God gave us a gift. Jesus came and took whatever we did wrong on the cross. He paid for our punishment so we will be reunited again with God.
All we have to do is to believe and trust what He has done for us on the cross. With this revelation and hope, we continue to make the right choices and can depend on God in navigating our life through praying and reading the Bible.
This is a super long reply. Hope my response makes sense to you. God bless🙂
@@amandang4104 it can't be a perfect world by definition if it became imperfect later. That means that something slipped through the cracks and ruined the balance. If it were perfect nothing could slip through and it would be perfect forever.
i have always struggeled with the question of the christian theodicy and never gotten an answer could understand. i never thought of turning the question around. so thank you, you might have changed my life today
Now you don't have to worry about suffering people anymore, awesome.
@joecheffo5942 thats in my opinion the wrong takeaway. We are given a free choice especially that we can choose to worry about and help others
@@asdfjklo409Would you choose to have a choice between hell and heaven or would you rather not risk it and just let the only choice be heaven? The sensible choice feels like the latter.
If you want your life to change again i advice you to watch mindshift's response to this video
@@lucas56sdd youd have to prove heaven is real first. if you point to one religious book or ideology then you lost , we have many of those with different interpretations of life after death, and you cant say yours over rules all because they Will say there's over rules yours, then you guys will fight and create more dumb ass suffering. besides, why do i only know about this idea of heaven by people just like me? there is something wrong there and ether your god is lazy or he is not real. i choose not real. and if he loved you he wouldn't let you fight others for the truth, or them fight you. just as i wouldn't. love me or burn= worst relationship ever
Counter argument. First world is boring for who? Boring for god? He needs us to entertain him? If the bots knew no better I'd argue they wouldn't know what bored is. You don't crave something you have no knowledge of.
The argument is flawed. The engineers coded in random chance because they seeked to be entertained. Not because they themselves was loving or good.
But it was a very well done video. I liked it, but it is bias with an agender.
Well there is the whole fallen angels revealing things to us that we weren't supposed to know. I think we were created blissfully ignorant at first.
@methodicl2673
really?
Oh, well. I can't say anything here.
Kahlir Venkietah... Not that it matters to this world.
I was not there when the foundations were laid down, I have not commanded the morning every day since. I am just grateful to be here.
Yeah but if you were there you'd probably want to give some feedback right?
@@sayntfuu You realize mornings happen because of the earths orbit around the sun, right? No one has to command the sun to rise. The earth is also not on any “foundation”, it’s floating through space. If the Bible was actually written or inspired by the being who created all of this, you’d think he would have at least described it a little more accurately
@elilane8627 and the design of the earth orbiting around the sun that makes our entire planet habitable comes from what? It all points to a mind...
Job is one of my favorite books.. ironic that people would argue about God with you and your statement lol.. some people just won't/can't get it.. I ain't Calvinist but...
Good. Keep your head down like the dumb little slave you are, *_goyim._* Be grateful to the demon YHWH.
WHERE WILL THIS COMMENT GO? I have to write this whether I want to or not. After watching several videos - It has taken me 20 minutes to stop sobbing. Not crying, sobbing. I have been calling on God for so long. Begging, pleading, bargaining, beseeching, and He in His undying love for me brought me to this channel tonight. I WAS NOT researching God this evening on UA-cam, but tonight was the night to speak to me and He did through this channel. I understand so much more than I ever understood in a lifetime of Hell on Earth. His spirit filled me with such love tonight that I was overwhelmed by it (HIM). I missed my best friend, my God, my partner, my financial advisor, my source, my strength, my hope, and having been trying to live life without Him. Until tonight. Tonight was the perfect night to expose everything I needed to know AND REMINDED of. His presence filled my heart to the point of spilling over and over and it all came down to ONE thing...LOVE. I'm back Father. Thank you IMbeggar.
Amen 🙏 🙏❤️
Good for you if true, seriously!
But I'd like to ask: what specific part of this wicked distortion of God's Word was so touching for you?
@@notgonnalie1846 Fair enough to ask. This was the first video I clicked and, honestly, pretty typical stuff you hear in Church just presented differently... better. It wasn't until I started binge watching that I felt the presences of God with me, around me, and within me. It is very difficult if not impossible to describe a spiritual experience. I can do without the Hell stuff.. real or not, but it was when I was reminded of God's love for me and how He created me to be a part of His plan that I lost it. Mostly because I had been empty, dead inside and a shell as I pulled away from Him out of anger and self pity. So, it was the other videos after this gave me what I needed. Thank you for asking.
@@notgonnalie1846 Why do you say wicked distortion? I mean, I understand that it isn't true exactly to the book - but it's an analogy.
that's powerful man. It really hits different when we don't hear from Him for a minute, for reasons we can't seem to understand, and then just at the right time He responds with a revelation that rocks our world and puts all the pieces together. He knows what we need and when we're ready for it. I know heaven is rejoicing over you and cheering for you right now!
I was just going to comment to encourage you, but I couldn't help but notice your handle. Are you still currently in the Tampa Bay area? My husband and I lead a small church here. If you're not currently rooted in a church community of your own, I'd love to hook you guys up to chat and see if there's any way we can help you get equipped for your walk
This is something my friends may listen to and understand. Im going to show them this and hopefully they see what the Lord has shown me and hopefully they open themselves to his love. I want them to make it to his grace and all I can do is guide them with words and pray. Please pray for me and my friends in this journey. It is and will be a tough one. Thank you all and I hope to one day see you all in Gods Grace.
Also don't forget when literal children and babies die due to a volcanic eruption or accident or war or famine etc. it cant be justified by it happens because we have freedom by given by god, if something good supernatural exist that we should worship he/she should stop that kind of unfair injustice or that thing proabaly doesn't exist or doesn't care.
@@hemantsarthak
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
He will stop all Unfairness & Injustice
(Revelation 1:7-8/22:20-21).
It's why he sent his Son to Save us & his Son will be the One to Judge Everyone. You still have time to be Saved & Come into the Light (John 3:16-18) ❤️✝️.
@@ELMQ
Considering that God is Omniscient, he had a Reason for it. What happens now is to see how it will end "And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose"
Romans 8:28 NKJV.
Most of the Tribulation, God can use it for Good: Romans 5:3-5 NKJV
[3] And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; [4] and perseverance, character; and character, hope. [5] Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
❤️✝️🕊️.
@@ELMQ
But I didn't, I gave an Answer, then gave a Positive Outcome.
@@ELMQ
I think it's more that you just didn't like The Answer, rather, than Not answering it.
This was exactly what I needed for my breakthrough. Thank you. Keep doing what you do!
I wouldn't have done it at all.
The only winning move is not to play and regardless of who, what, or why the bots will never be engineers.
but if yoy dont play you will be bored
@@notanonymous3976 How will I know what is bored? Compared to what? If I lived in scenario 1 I would have no conception of it. And every other scenario takes the longest way to get back the perfection of scenario 1. Hard pass.
Why not just have people who decide to do evil placed in another world with like minded people. Allowing the good people to continue prospering while the bad people either we’d themselves out due to their nature or change due to increased context of their actions
@@DAYSEVENOVGG So Heaven and Hell? I Think that's the plan as is.
that’s pretty smart ngl
So, we have free will … but are diseases still necessary? And natural disasters? What’s the point of that? And also, what about when you reach heaven … do we then have free will revoked ??
So many unanswered questions
1. Disease and death came as a result of our falling, and such the world lost its order, as through man, sin entered the world.
2. We have free will here on earth to decide where we want to go in the afterlife, heaven or hell, God or self. In heaven, we will have free will, but we will no long be affected by sin or the will to sin, and such there will be no death or sin in new creation
@@cobalt618 sin entered the world … but there’s no explanation for why disease needed to enter as well.
@@seeyoubestiesin created death
Death is tied to everything else (famine, pestilence, war, etc.)
Therefore bc of sin there is disease
@@arturliviu okay so basically ... youre saying that disease are just the ways in which death had to be manifested. hmm. thats actually a really good point, thanks. i can accept that.
@@arturliviu No, god created death because he feared Adam and Eve becoming gods
Love you guys and just met you tonight. I wrecked my motorcycle and am in the hospital and I know my suffering is because of my own hubris.
I thanked my loving father for not requiring my life and simply chastening me with a broken leg.
I’m humbled before his throne and love him and my holy king more than ever before! I wept deeply in prayer tonight, my heart of flesh lives on.. ❤
🤔World 1.0 sounds completely desireable, I'd pick boringly perfect 10 times out of 10, thank you.
Yeah his logic is flawed to cope
Yeaaah, these people are saying the perfect world is boring and sh*t, man how do they know that? it seems so f*cking cool to me
For the final question it asks from the perspective of a human living in it, but in the start when it refers to the 2 worlds would you be satisfied being the God an observer of World 1 for or for World 2?
@@abyss4996 World 1, because it would please me greatly to have produced something perfect. This would be the perfect place to incarnate, too. Do your societal duty in the morning, making your fellow humans happy, and then relax, hanging around in the afternoon, watching birds fly, frogs paddle, and the stars at night, until I fall asleep, to start the days anew. - Everything else is outright evil.
If you really want people to believe that you would GLADLY live in world where you had no free will or true freedom, and we’re nothing more than an animal, then be my guess. But everyone knows you guys are just coping to not try to confront the argument the video is presenting.
Your videos about suffering helpd me out more than you can imagine. For the past 10 months every since my sister and grandma were murderd nearly every day i havent had the will to live and just want to die. Your videos helps me out more than you could imagine. Thank you bro and thanks be to God. This world is hopeless without christ and honestly its gotten to the point that i dont have hope for anything in this world except that Jesus will raise us from the dead
No wonder why your videos take long - They're so good and so much animation to do... God bless you
Also, he has to try to present it in a way where he doesn't undermine his own theology. Despite all the time, he still can't escape his own dogma. I challenge you to watch Mindshift's video response to this.
So, effectively it all comes to God wanting to avoid boredom? Wanting to be amused and entertained, inspite of all the suffering here on Earth and in afterlife in hell, for those unlucky ones who will get there? How such God is not evil and cruel?
this isn't what he is saying. He is saying that God indeed loves us, but he doesn't want us to be like robots. If we were like robots and followed a "program," then our good wouldn't be true good, it would just be doing what we were told, which isn't freedom. If we didn't have freedom, then we couldn't truly love God, just be forced to, and is that really Love?
@@GodsSoldier-q4d That's exactly what he is saying at the end of the "First World" part, such world would have been boring. But ok, let's consider how you spin it - God wants to love and to be loved by somebody external. In this case he is not self-sufficient and therefore not perfect, is he? I guess then probably all the suffering indeed can be justified as inevitable evil for the God not to feel lonely, but at least it's something to be acknowledged. And then, consequentially, question arises - does such non perfect God have the moral right to judge us?
@Chumazik777 Love by nature requires an entity outside of one's self to be complete. God's inclusion of humans in this story of love is not a gap in His perfection but rather a proof of it. To go beyond your own self sufficiency and share that perfection with others, isn't that how love is made complete in any society? God is not just some rich man revelling in His wealth and abundance. He seeks to share that with others who are able to receive His love and respond to it hence the need for us to be free moral agents.
@@Chumazik777 And to answer your question on whether He has the right to judge us, I would like you to ask yourself what right does any judge have to pass judgement? If you say well there's a law we've all agreed on then ask yourself what right do other members of society just as imperfect as you are have to form a set of laws defining what is right and wrong to you? If you find yourself willing to submit to the standards of imperfect man even though you may not necessarily agree with everything that is in their law where's your issue with a morally superior God setting laws for you, His creation and judging you by them?
@@GodsSoldier-q4d God is selfish.
This video was so powerful. On the brink of tears. You are on to something great.
IMBeggar thank you so much for kickstarting the reason why I love to talk about love so much‼️‼️😭
A parent who builds a torture basement for most of his children isn't a loving parent.
I could not imagine having to plan out these things for anyone knowing I am not perfect. I am so grateful to you and your channel for putting out this kind of content. It really helps to get the point across in a relatable and involved way! Thank you 😊
Lord Jesus Christ Have Mercy On Me A Sinner 🙏
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If it helps you cope then.... ok 👍
8:21 "...removing trial and adversity from the AI was like removing the hammer and fire from a sword."
If i was a perfect God, i wouldnt even think of creating a universe, let alone universe where beings suffer.
Then you’d be a pretty lonely and selfish god
what if the suffering had a purpose to teach so the beings you created can have even better lives for all of eternity ones they're done with the up to 100ish years in the suffering world? Suffering teaches empathy, reasoning and coping skills that can be used for eternity to better peoples lives, probably a bunch more. Think of how much better your life would be due to suffering if tomorrow everything but relationship wise and maybe power over others (if that's for you) pretty much everything would be better than what you could dream of, would you not in time learn to appreciate your previous suffering or at least reap it's goods for the rest of eternity? Wouldn't that be worth it?
@@albinhansen97 The whole logic of "Suffering teaches empathy, reasoning and coping skills" is illogical because to begin with there was nobody but God. God is considered eternal and perfect. To say "what if the suffering had a purpose" means there was a hunger/desire for fulfilling this purpose, but how can there be a hunger/desire when only God exists and it is already the most perfect entity?
Only God existed and everything was already perfect bcoz God is perfect, therefore no need for anybody to lean anything as everything is God and everything is perfect.
its not about whether its worth it to suffer ~100ish years, the main question is a perfect God wouldnt even desire/think about creating a universe.
@@Slushyc
"Then you’d be a pretty lonely and selfish god"
> Being eternal, perfect it is simply not possible for me to create something which is beyond me. Nobody exists apart from me. How can i be selfish if nothing can exist beyond me? Anything i create will be me. I cannot be lonely bcoz iam already perfect, i need nobody else, bcoz iam everything to begin with.
If the idea even crossed my mind to create a universe with life, this simply means iam suffering from mental disorders like split personality, schizophrenia where under delusion i ended up thinking iam "sharing" my love with other beings. IN REALITY, THERE IS NOBODY TO SHARE ANYTHING WITH, AS IAM EVERYTHING.
So, if i decide not to create the universe, it only proves iam perfect in all aspects.
@@kartik9892 Company is positive to have, and while God may be perfect I think God had to learn same as everyone else.
Can you be perfect if you can't feel love for others? Lets say God created paradise and had the best time, why would God not give that experience to others as well, a person born in a good world is not a loss, it's a gain.
Assuming God forgives everyone what reasons would there be not to give the experience of paradise to beings?
An omnibenevolebt and omnipotent god could surely think of a way to give people free will and character development without allowing extreme suffering
They are contridictory
@@buoyant257 He qualified it as “extreme” suffering. Why can’t the *amount* of evil AT LEAST be reduced?
@@buoyant257God do be above the law of contradiction
That's an assertion predicated on an assumption of how YOU think an omnibenevolent God ought to be.
@@cam-dasmartman Yes, and it’s by far the most logical assertion.
13:17 i would give everyone a small super power nothing big
Epic
I think we have
but we have to unlock
and it's very hard
thats what gifts of the Holy Spirit are. I've been given the gift of word of knowledge, except its not a super power, its the holy spirit guiding you
@@SawyerFinn-123 that’s not a power it’s knowledge “knowledge is power” is a lie as that implies all knowledge is power but all knowledge is not power sure some knowledge is power
@@WhatdoyoucalablindgermanAnosee what's bro getting to:
If you don't get it,im talking about nothing
0:19. He ( and I ) appreciate that , thank you very much!
"is this fair"
no, actually, an infinite punishment for a finite crime is infinitely unjust
take 2 people (or bots) that have lived almost identical lives, making the same mistakes or mistakes on the same "level" as eachother, and at the end of their lives, one just barely qualifies to enter heaven, whilst the other had stolen a single extra wooden spoon a few years earlier and because of that, he just barely qualifies for hell
the difference between living happily forever and seeing your loved ones and being in a perfect world,
and suffering for eternity, burning and screaming and choking and being uncomfortable
was a singular wooden spoon?
Infinity is a long time, if y'all didn't know that already
This shows the absurdness of trying to apply such black and white ethics to beings as complex as humans
you would never say that somebody deserved eternal punishment whilst their friend lived happily forever just because this person stole a wooden spoon, and yet, this is the kind of thinking that heaven and hell encourages,
it makes no sense whatsoever.
no, you forgot the part to WHO you make that crime, YES it is GOD. because God is infinite so does the punishment because we violating the infinity being.
How long does it take to kill a baby? - (maybe a few seconds)
How long should they be in jail for that?
(Maybe all their life? Life in prison)
So an action that took a few seconds can warrant a lifetime of punishment. A mili second to a lifetime is an infinity of its own… now think of a lifetime of crime (sin) how long should that punishment be? An even longer lifetime - afterlife.
Most Christians love the idea of eternal torment. I am grateful for the ones who acknowledge that both sides can be supported by scriptures. Bot eternal torment and existence just ceasing if you are evil but not horrifically so.
@@Lalones__ a lifetime is nothing compared to infinity, what you have said makes no sense
@@AveryBound-k4k so if it takes 3 mins to commit the crime the punishment should be 3 mins also? Yes or no
But GOD is infinitely powerful, so HE can create free-will without incorporating suffering, right? Otherwise we're putting limits on an unlimited being.
Yeah, the message of this video is basically that God is incapable of creating good universes because they're too boring.
Without God there is suffering it's his absence
@@thechamp742 So a universe like ours with rampant suffering implies a universe where God is absent. That is certainly a view that many people have held going back to the ancient Greeks.
@InquisitiveBible suffering/evil is present when God is absent because of people's choices but when God is with you. Even though it may be hard it's not the end he will uphold and lift you up until we meet in heaven
People's choices are not responsible for earthquakes or malaria or that African worm that infects children's eyeballs, my friend. Those were a design choice, if the world is designed.
What an utterly beautiful parable. I have been struggling with many of these questions, clearly God is working through you to bring this message. Thank you.
It's utterly...flawed.
Bro, You've wonderfully ascribed the requirefd Fundamental TRUTH told differently in our Sanatana scriptures!!
Nobody is good, only God is.
God has moments just like us.
It's kinda hard to be good without being omnipotent and omniescient. All you are saying is you cannot be God because you are not God. Well, duh!
Okay. So what if we had a different concept. Something to compare the moral values between finite beings and not between finite beings and hypothetical perfection. A definition that actually *could* tell the difference between Hitler and MLK.
But what would we call that? Hm... Oh! I have an idea! Good and evil 😑
@@lucas56sdd If you create someone you know is going to be bad and then put them in a place you know they are going to be bad, how much responsibility do you have for the badness? Would that be bad?
@@gabrielteo3636 Yes, if I put a predator in charge of a preschool I am also bad. Not just the Predator.
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I'll share it to everyone.
Everyone MUST SEE THIS.
THANK YOU ❤
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2:40 Is that what YOU think? Or is that what the bot thinks? Would a blind person wish for sight in a world where no one has ever had it? Would you wish to be blind in a world where no one has ever been blind before? You can ONLY wish for something that you know, You can ONLY regret not having what you KNOW that you COULD have...
I have an idea of how I would create a society with free will, but that could be a little better than ours, for example.
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Thinking about the concept, I can create a system that "reads" each specific AI in the system and tells me how "bad" it is according to its own view.
I can also create a similar system that analyzes what the other AIs think about that specific AI.
I would leave this system running on all AIs constantly and would leave an indicator (similar to a life bar in a video game), which would say two things: if the AI considers itself more "good" than "bad" and if the other AIs consider it more "good" than "bad" (there is no need to show a numerical value, just whether it leans more towards "good" or "bad").
I would not interfere with the AIs' source code, but these two indicators would be visible to all AIs in the simulation.
What I think this would imply.
AIs that tend towards "bad" would be automatically recognized by AI society and would have to choose between:
- changing their behavior;
- seeking a group more aligned with their indicators;
- isolating themselves and living alone;
And the fact of having two indicators could provide an interesting balance.
If you find "people" with two "good" signs, it means that there is almost a 100% chance that they are in fact "good". Because they see themselves as "good" and people see them as "good".
If you find someone with a "good" sign about themselves and a "bad" sign given by others, it could mean that the "person" is defective and cannot see reality as it is.
If you find the opposite, perhaps they are a "person" who criticizes themselves a lot and who sees the mistakes they have made as being greater than the rest of the world perceives.
If you find a "person" with two "bad" signs, you know that the chances are good that they are simply "bad".
Of course, there are still details to be resolved, such as:
- How to calculate the perception of goodness?
- If "person B" sees "person A" as being very good, but "person C" and "person D" see them as being a little bad, how do you deal with that?
- And if "person A" did unimaginable harm to "person B" constantly, but did good things to several other "people" to balance it out, what would their sign indicate?
But a clear indication of how "balanced" or "unbalanced" someone's perception of goodness is could make people with similar moral senses seek to live together and support each other, creating a free society, but a little more fair.
Nice to have you back :)
Your first argument is incredibly weak. First of all, to feel boredom in this perfect world you describe, boredom as a response to everything being perfect is something that the engineers must have purposefully programmed the bots to feel. Secondly, heaven is exactly like you describe this first world: No evil, no suffering etc. According to your logic heaven must be boring. Unimaginably and dreadfully boring even, since it's eternal.
I agree that the boring argument is dumb. And also incorrect. The main point is of free will. To create a perfect world you must remove free will and create a dictatorship where people are NPC or make consequences so severe it would be living under terror.
Not to mention when Christ comes back and removed sin from us, and sinners from existence, we will all be "forced" back into that "boring" perfect new world He promises to remake. This video is just more proof that people need to read their Bibles and stop trying to invent explanations for things scripture already covers.
In the last three chapters of the Book of Revelation there are three groups mentioned: those in the gates, those outside of the gates who are not in the lake of fire and those outside of the gates in the lake of fire.
It says that no one who sins will enter the gates but also mentions ones who enter the gates. This could be a subcategory making two more groups for a total of four groups.
There will be no more suffering or evil for those in the gates, but there is definitely suffering going on with those in the lake of fire outside the gates. So for the remaining people who live outside the gates there is the implication that they may experience sin and evil.
In other words: in the city of God there is no evil but there are parameters for this city implying beyond those borders there is life and evil. I would surmise just as Jesus left this city and experienced death and taking our sin, as soon as He returned to the city He was met with goodness and peace.
My thoughts are we may experience similar paths in the future as ambassadors of Life and Mercy and Grace and Forgiveness and Truth.
Boring for us, not for them. You may instead ask what is the purpose of perfect world without freedom? None at all because life isn't just about experiencing pleasures. There is no pleasure without lack of it or obstacles.
Maybe instead of seeing it as boring for the ones within it and instead boring for the one who created it 🤷🏽♀️
My one glaring critique of this, is that we assume that heaven is akin to world 1.0; perfect, without suffering etc. We lose our individuality once we get to heaven, our worldliness is an inherent aspect of mankind.
The angels that rebelled are a good example of this.
😂 and the cycle starts again, heaven is too boring so evil is allowed. once you reach heaven level 100 will you experience true goodness with free will and ultimate boredom
Yeah... the video should have mentioned something like... the bots retain their memories and their identity from the previous life, but are given new bodies/neural networks. This allows them to freely and willingly follow the protocol (which remains in their memories, not strictly enforced). They do not break it because they have expanded knowledge and personal experience of the consequences of breaking it. With their new fully-repaired networks, they are fully capable of avoiding wrongdoing; and with their experiences, they have no desire to do evil.
@@TheLazyCowboy1 god could create them with the "new bodies/neural networks" in the first place
you can't make excuses for an omnipotent being
@warptens5652 Reread my comment while trying to understand it. My point is the "personal experiences." Logically, God could not have given people that when he first created them. People cannot have experience of evil without, well, experiencing evil. Thus, God gave everyone experience of evil.
i think the question should be: do we value freedom more than we value goodness? whats so wrong with humanity being one big perfect machine? why is a perfect confinement so bad if its under the force of an all loving god?
hmm... this is an interesting perspective
And that's a major flaw in this guy's video.
His "engineers" set out to make a good world.
They succeeded in making a perfect world.
Mission successful, unless they didn't actually know what they wanted.
I was literally thinking about this today, "how can I explain why god does what he does to a person when their mentality is 'if god is good and just then why does he allow such and such to happen/ why does he punish others?'"
You can't.
Because they're right.
This video is so flawed in its premise.
@@kamikeserpentail3778 not really because the reason I found is god isn't allowing bad such and such to happen, it happens because he took a step back to give us freedom of choice. and some use that freedom to do evil and others to do good, and that's the consequence of freedom of choice. god has the power to make us do good and obey but then the lessons he wants to teach can't be learned and our love for him wouldn't be true.
just remember everyone has different views and different outlooks on life and the lessons it has to offer, I'm assuming that you're a non-believer and are viewing this as one, and this is not to be rude or to sound pretentious but you have to open your heart to truly understand gods lessons and why he does what he does. cause someone can read the bible or watch people explaining in simple scenarios/analogies all they want but that doesn't mean they'll understand the message it's giving. this video may not work for you but it does for me and others and I encourage you to find another video that might explain it better/differently for you or something like that, I really recommend Cliff Whitehead he's a really good at explaining hard questions a lot better than I can in general.
I don't mean this in an offensive way, but your reasoning is biblically inaccurate. For starters, you believe God "took a step back to give us freedom of choice" but the Bible teaches that God is omniscient (1 john 3:20), and that he predestined everything before creation existed including who would and wouldnt go to heaven (Romans 8:29-30, Ephesians 1:4-5, Jeremiah 1:5). So if free will is having the ability to choice from several different options, then humanity doesn't have free will. In every situation where it seems like we have options, we can only choice to take the actions that God as pre-planned for us take, so therfore in reality we have one option, and so we have a will its just not free.
Later on you said that God doesn't make people obey him because then we wouldn't learn "lessons he wants to teach" but that is implying that God is unable to teach us while making us obey him, however he is all powerful and therefore can do all things (Matthew 19:26). so it would be incorrect to say that God cant make us obey him while teaching us anything he wants because he can do all things.
With that said I do see logical inconsistencys when thinking about Gods character and the existence of extrem suffering. If God wants what's best for living beings then why do unnecessary cases of suffering exist? For example if a tree falls on a deer in the woods, the deer will die a slow and very painful death, in world where an all powerful, all good God was watching wouldnt we expect him to not allow such things to happen? But indeed we live in a world with extreme suffering and if God is omniscient he's not just watching, he planned it to be this way.
@@mikeking5626 look I'm not the best at explaining that's why I said to go look at cliffs content, he explains a lot better about this than I can. I just explained the best I could cause I couldn't find the right words to explain the way I wanted to, sorry if my explanation doesn't make sense to you though.
10 Questions:
1. world 1.0
2. Absolute control + responsibility (if the intentions are good then yes. People are not good)
3. No, but it could help them.
4. From both. Why would you create the 2nd world anyway? Just because it's boring? How selfish.
5. From None. The engineers only made experiments on people with free will, and the bots are nothing more than a tool.
6. No.
7. Both. One for designing it like that, and another for choosing it.
8. There wouldn't be bots. But if you mean left alone, It would be kind of like warhammer 40,000; stuck, no advance, no hope, only war and hedonism.
9. Experimentation, boredness, curiosity, perhaps some passion.
10. By making a world with freedom and responsibility, there would be errors but no evil. People would be; Fortitude Justice, Temperance in pleasure and pain, Prudence, Faith, Hope, Charity, Self-determination, Creativity, Becoming, Overcoming, Discontent but positive (when bad things happen), Flexibility, Self-mastery, Self-confidence, Joy, Courage, in the face of fear, Liberalit with wealth and possessions, Magnificence with great wealth and possessions, Magnanimity with great honors, Proper ambition with normal honors, Truthfulness in self-expression, Gracefulness in conversation, Friendship in social conduct, Modesty in the face of shame or shamelessness, Righteous indignation in the face of injury, Chastity, Diligence, Kindness, Patience, Humility, Hopeful, Stoic, Elegant, Never saying foul words, Merciful to all, Not getting angry over an injury, Helping the poor, Suffering with the afflicted, Feeling sympathy for the miserable, Unfamiliar with rudeness, Avoiding excessive severity, Patient in the face of injury, Practicing self-discipline with pleasure, Speaking words of love to those who speak ill, Not ignoring those in need, Never envying those who prosper, Not laughing at your neighbor in the abyss, Extending your hand to those who have fallen, Never being selfish with your compassion, Reconciling those who are angry with each other, Bringing harmony among those who disagree, Rejoicing in the joy of others, Weeping with those who weep, Lifting up the fallen, Reproving sin without anger, Encouraging the weak, Turning bad into good with your kindness.
It is a sound argument on paper but do you even know if this would work? I'm certain god thought of all this already after all of you can come up with something like this god has already thought about it. And yet he still chose to make this world the way it is, which suggests that it wasn't going to work in practice.
@@thescatspreader I know. But that's why it's a mistery why this world is like this.
@@pasalasaga i suppose
@@thescatspreaderhe's god he can just make it work
@@kittens0010 there are a lot of factors that play into something like this. It's not that simple
These engineers will be in serious trouble once the ethics comittee hears about this.
Hahahahaha! Nice!
@@gagarin12A3 “It was the only way!”
“Demonstrably false.”
“Fine. But at least it wasn’t boring.”
“You’re still going to jail.”
1. perfect world
2. absolute control (if it would create the perfect world)
3. yes
4. the engineers
5. the engineers
6. depends (if they think they are still suffering then yes, because evil and suffering is just a mindset)
7. the engineers
8. they wouldn't exist in the first place
9. to simulate their world to help fix their real world problems maybe or maybe just for fun (this is under the assumptions that those engineers are humans. I don't even know what those engineers are)
10. I would let them little mans have unrestricted agency but resolve any conflicts and problems with a solution where every party is content
man I don't even want rewards or freedom, I just want to not suffer.
6:47 "to change that 1 choice, they had to change the 1000s of choices that lead to that choice"
no they don't, wtf are you talking about
Accidentally shooting himself in the foot and saying that free will actually doesn't exist, and that the choices we make largely stem from our circumstances.
@@adriani9432 It's fractally dumb! 🤪
I've been struggling with this a lot recently, not so much as to why God allows suffering to happen, but rather to what reason would He allow it to happen.
For the last year I've suffering through grief and heartbreak, unable to find peace no matter how hard I try, I cried out to God time and time again, just trying to make sense of all of my anguish, and I've yet to hear an answer.
If God is not against us he is for us, if God is not against us who can be? But Job, as a righteous man in the Bible underwent trials and suffering, then God blessed him afterward and gave him more than he had at first. Jesus teaches to always pray and never give up. 🙏
@@mirmirone4248 Which is ironic considering that a supposed benevolent god had to make a gamble and rob an innocent man of all of his belongings - that's not benevolent.
What if he had failed the trial? Then he would have lost everything AND went to hell, all because god has a gambling problem.
@@j.d.s.8132Explain a little further please by what do you mean God has a gambling problem?
@@j.d.s.8132God doesn’t allow trials He **knows** you can’t overcome. Everything we are faced with is something within our own abilities. God had to intervene for Job, not only for his sake, but to teach us a lesson in the future too.
@@j.d.s.8132God can’t really gamble when he already knows the outcome of everything. He allowed Job that tribulation knowing that He would have to intervene, and knowing that this very interaction would be written down and told for many generations.
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These videos have a really good quality
The whole problem arises from understanding what is good and what is bad, which is not explained here. In practice, each engineer sees good and bad in his own way so they would never have perfectly agreed, unless he was just one engineer or like one.
That said, if you create a world with beings capable of adapting to it with total freedom, sooner or later they will be able to adapt perfectly to it, obtaining a "perfect world" for those who get to the end, achieved with total freedom for all... excluding permanent mass extinctions.
I wouldn't give them freedom if it means I can keep the evil out, even if they turn out "dull". I'd rather have a dull, content lot than one that is stuck in a cycle of misery only to get some excitement out of it. My two cents.
Not that I have any word in it, which with freedom is quite ironic.
I do enjoy your videos greatly. Your presentation makes the various topics seem so gentle.
no freedom in it self is misery...
@@rubenlopesmagalhaes1011 The "no freedom" option has no misery, has no suffering or pain or any of that because those things could never fester in such an environment. It would be the perfect world.
@@khuzla The idea is that, without the freedom, we don't have consciousness/souls. Saying you would rather have no soul is just like saying you wish you were never born.
@@OceanMan15_Ding, Ding, Ding. A 100 points to you.
@@khuzlaThough there’s suffering atleast at the end there is something good.
Precisely, everyone always ask “if god, why evil” but they always are so neglectful to see that this was the best option
This video assumes that if you don't allow people to be evil and atrocities to happen, the world will be boring and everybody will act the same, which is not true. There are many societies on the smaller scale (towns and villages) with no evil and no atrocities at all. People there are happy and would certainly not complain that they don't have enough criminals or hardship in their lives. So this still makes no sense.
@@Ruzzky_Bly4t We are dealing with a very different situation on a large scale. A small village tends to be more peaceful than a metropolis. In a metropolis, we have many people with different personalities and opinions, and this great variety ends up clashing and creating prejudice and many other problems. In a small village, the people who live there know each other and practically live together, and also because of the drastically low population of the village - you can simulate this in city building games - a small village is not as much work as a large city, where many problems are created by the population constantly.
@@Jexinkink Yes, but if people would be "preprogrammed" to not have the ability to kill or seriously harm others, it wouldn't mean that everybody would act the same or that the world becomes boring. You can have freedom of opinion and have people clash verbally in debates, without resorting to atrocities and violence. Allow very minor evil, like insulting somebody in an argument, but block the extreme things. So I don't see how total freedom is the optimal solution.
Not really for the people that suffer. Explains why people who have it hard are more likely to turn to authoritarian rule under socialism
@@Ruzzky_Bly4t Maybe you missed the part where people could not act against their programming and how it would basically be a giant machine.
Yes, there would still be things, art, science and such but the point is it would be crazy boring and we would not be free to make choices that may be against that.
People would be 1 dimensional.
Yes it would be "good" and some people would prefer that but without struggle and conflict, how would we know what good and evil are and the difference? How would we grow, become better, learn, understand what love is instead of it being default? Emotions?
We would just end up mindless robots is the point, even if there was no suffering and everything was taken care of.
I would rather be in the world we have today than the perfect world 100%
Maybe my perspective would change depending on how much I was suffering in my life which is why people turn to authoritarian rule under socialism or communism. It is the same idea but does not work because we are in the imperfect world and individual, not a hive mind like bees and ants.
Honest question to believers: This video makes sense to you? You feel like it’s a good representation of an answer to the problem of evil? You don’t see anything glaringly wrong?
I do have a feeling that things will get even clearer once the second coming of jesus returns, just like the first coming when he revealed we are saved by our faith and not by "going through the motions".
However, I was not able to see anything wrong with this video except maybe the part he was making a parallel between bugs and sickness.
Please enlighten me
The only presumption you need to make however is that being is better than non-being.
@@davidsiha6853i was flabbergasted by the entire analogy. Things would be boring?? God is equivalent to fallible human engineers who cannot know the outcomes of their actions? That we would choose to make the world the same way? The fact that heaven in this analogy is exactly the same as the boring starting conditions that “necessitated” The introduction of infinite suffering. The false dichotomies, the complete lack of imagination and problem solving to shoehorn a conclusion into and often against the evidence.
I’m just blown away at how this analogy fails at everything it sets out to do. I’m at a loss at how this weak imagining of god who kind of bumbles along patching mistakes is appealing to believers.
@@davidsiha6853Do you think that existing under torture is better than not existing? If so, are you ready for such an existence right now?
@@jonathan4189 there are many mysteries about what heaven would be like and how God will judge at his second coming
If that feels like an easy excuse, just look at Jesus his first coming. He was a walking contradiction of what the jews expected of the messiah to be.
He should bring salvation to the jews, but instead, it was the highest ranking jews that judged him. It was the outsiders that accepted him first. He didn't wage war, instead he sacrificed himself.
Also, concepts as the afterlife in heaven and he'll didn't exist yet. Jews believed that after death you would end in sheol, an empty pit where there is simply non existence. Kinda like how atheists believe nowadays.
Just read Psalm 88, it describes how the writer has fought and suffered for God all his life, but the enemy is about to kill him or something, and now God is gonna forget him in sheol.
Now from the perspective of a jew, God must be unjust. How could the jew at the time think otherwise. However he remained faithful, and with good reason. Because indeed the concept of heaven wasn't known until Jesus opened that way, also Abraham was saved by his faith, not his works.
i want to ask you to read psalm 88, and try to read it from the perspective of the jew from that time. I would love to hear your thoughts on this
As usual, your videos are the best and always help us get some knowledge and maturity. Keep Up!
So will heaven be boring since we wont be able to make sinful choices there?
Honestly, I don't know if humanity is ready for the truth about God or what happens after death. Life is kind of a baby in their mother's womb the baby thinks outside the womb is the end or is a utopia but really, it's way more complex than it thinks... or maybe I'm wrong I don't know I'm just a Christian.
"I don't know if humanity is ready for the truth about God or what happens after death."
Source: "Trust me, bro."
@@InquisitiveBible I'm not even denouncing God. I'm just saying that maybe the smartest man alive is a man who knows that he doesn't know anything
@@SamuelAfonso-q5q That feels like reincarnation with extra steps.
@@SamuelAfonso-q5q I see you support the agnostic atheist position.
I look forward to the future apologetics excuses for how all the issues with the "Perfect World" scenario somehow don't also apply to heaven.
Christianity is its own defeater.
Exactly. And it's amazing they don't see it. Or they just ignore it.
Disagree.
Without the concept of evil, the concept of good would be empty. The "perfect world" wouldn't be heaven, it would simply be a machine.
God gave us life and the ability to choose. We are made in his image AND LIKENESS. He wants our LOVE, not the products of machines.
@@Sniper-gx7mq Yes, because clearly preference and suffering have no meaning without objective morality...
Also this is an internal critique of the apparent impossibility of a "perfect world" scenario but the claimed existence of heaven. It already assumes the Christian worldview.
@@Sniper-gx7mq So evil exists in heaven?
Yappa yappa, how do you think you get to heaven? If everybody just spawned into heaven after death then there would be no point of life, similar to how life would have no point if it was just heaven
The goat is back🤙🏼🤙🏼
10:22. Brother… I’m not even bored. You’re reading my mind!!! I feel sheepish for not helping these engineers. But uh, so far so good. Sounds a bit like what we learned in Sunday school.
What if the laws of this world could have been different? I mean, this analogy resonates with me and with many others, and I would have done exactly the same as these engineers. But God is above these earthly laws. Why didn’t He find a better way? I acknowledge that this 'better way' is human-centered, and God knows what He’s doing. But some answers would be deeply useful… I’ll be glad to ask Him one day.
Yes, this video presupposes that in this world humans must necessarily "work and survive". I am Catholic, but I always struggle with the problem of evil. and why God couldn't have made us free in a much simpler way than creating a super complex world of suffering. Ultimately, the only satisfactory answer I found it's that it's a mystery.
@@SpectrometerGlad to see somebody who is religious but recognizes that thinking in terms of what a god can do is not the same as what a human might perceive. Despite watching the video, like the person you replied to, I can't see how an omnipotent god couldn't know a way to make things better, with less suffering. One can't apply the "if you were a god, you wouldn't make the world differently" argument because you can't comprehend what a god can do in the first place. We are limited to our human experience and we can't say such things. We can comfort ourselves by believing certain things but we can't assure ourselves that the world couldn't have been differently.
@@driheart"If God was omniscient, he would have found a better way."
But if God was omniscient and perfect, then he enacted the best way.
God is omniscient and perfect.
Therefore the way he enacted (this way) is the best way.
@@TheLazyCowboy1 God enacted the best way according to its own agenda.
What's best for God may not be best for humans.
The omnipotent god would know to act in everyone's best interest, but God chose to act in its own best interest.
@driheart And the standards by which God chose to act are, by definition, perfect. So what if they are "his own agenda." That agenda is perfect, according to theistic definition of perfect.
My argument, which is about as simple as any argument can be, stands. Are you simply denying that God is perfect? In which case, I'm unsure what you're even trying to say.
Maybe I'm missing something, but wouldn't heaven be the 1.0 world according to this logic?
with this logic does that mean heaven is boring?
The way he used boring is a bit misleading, more so pointless has life without choice has no meaning and is not life.
All good isn’t pointless, it is whether you are choosing for yourself to be all good or the choice is made for you.
Heaven is all good because God exists as all good in a kingdom of all good. And the choice we make is whether to be forgiven of all sin and join Him, or to live in sin which means letting go of any good since God is source of good.
Hell is essentially the absence of God and His good. Aka all bad. So even the joy we receive from doing sin wouldn’t exist in hell. Only the sin and its negative consequences.
@@treykambi9566 Yeah which is the entire point, Boring
@@treykambi9566 do people have choice in heaven?
He merely tapped the surface of philosophy…the rabbit hole goes much much deeper
No.
Identity, culture, philosophy, art does not need evil, one thing is to recognize if what you do is good or bad and another thing is to do things that you like like sports or painting to express ideas, good and evil can serve as an enhancer but not as a requirement, because why would I have to decide not to enslave someone to know that I enjoy surfing, painting landscapes and creating fictional stories, identity does not revolve around doing good or evil but in following passions. In any case I think the easiest way to give what many people understand as freedom is to make people as empathetic as possible, you can hurt or help someone but if once out of curiosity or whatever you hurt someone you feel bad about doing it, because you share their pain you put in their place, that way even if sometimes people do something bad it will be weird and they will stop doing it quickly because there is simply no benefit, that way everyone can understand why doing the right thing is the right thing in their own flesh and not because someone tells them to, the reason why people do bad things is either out of necessity (they will steal to eat for example), or because they do not feel bad about doing it, the best people are the most empathetic and psychopaths or murderers are those who have no empathy for others, that is something biological that is even in some animals so it would be unfair for some to have more empathy than others if what is going to be judged are good or bad actions.
Saying the perfect world is boring sounds like cope like the fox unable to obtain the grapes you say you didn't want them any way that these proverbial grapes would be sour
Why did God allow evil?
A better question is why did beings made in the image of God create evil.
We need to ask the proper questions to get the proper results our pride created evil not God.
@@Jesus-Is-The-True-Divine-God God created evil straight up do you not read the Bible and in what way are humans created in God's image
@@Jesus-Is-The-True-Divine-God I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Isaiah 45:7
@@Jesus-Is-The-True-Divine-God And who made the thing that has human pride?
@@lucas56sdd If the question is if God creates a being with free will who chose pride, then yes, he did.
If the question is if God created pride, the answer is no.
The key to understanding the fall is to understand that God made us in HIS Image. Meaning with free will, and with the ability to create (to an extent.)
Remember, sin is not of itself something that exists, sin is simply the lack of good.
If good is God's will (it is) and being made with the ability to follow it or choose not to is how he made his greatest creation (he did,) then it is completely illogical to conclude that pride was God's creation.
Did God know the fall was going to happen? Yes he did. Did he cause it? No he didn't. Me saying my pride and sin is God's creation/fault, is highly immature and silly on my part.
I am responsible for my sin you are responsible for your sin, and billions are responsible for their sin. God will judge those billions, there will be judgement, there will be forgiveness through Christ's death on a cross, and those who made their choice to reject the free gift of eternal life WILL be cast into the lake of fire.
Sure the world is full of horrific pain and suffering, but hey at least it isn't boring...
Said everyone who lived a life of misery & died an awful death. Christians are so oblivious & tone deaf sometimes.
Good graphics certainly make up for child sex trafficking. Was God watching this video instead of that?
@@joecheffo5942 Clearly God finds that entertaining duh
Not boring? Try not conscious. If the world was just made just to be perfect then you would be nothing more than a mindless automaton
That's not what the creator of this video is implying. You clearly do not understand the concept of the video. You just want to be angry. The point of this video is to show that making a perfect world is impossible without taking away your freedom and the beauty of humanity. That part just flew right over your head. Sure, God can make a world without child abuse, but then you won't even appreciate that child abuse doesn't exist, because you won't know it exists. Life cannot exist without death, light cannot exist without darkness. Its the way existence is, and no one, not even God can change that. While we do preach that God is all powerful, there are some things even He can't do (like erasing Himself from existence for example). Likewise, true happiness and appreciation, and love and compassion can only exist with their counterweights, those being suffering and pain, and unfairness, etc. It is simply logical, and if you can't understand that, maybe you should stop feeling for a few minutes and simply try reasoning in an unbiased manner.
I was happy with the perfect world where everything was programmed to be good and boring. I don’t see what’s wrong with that. But since that is not reality, I live for God and choose to do only that which is good. Still, I could do without all the suffering.
God allowed evil because he got bored?
@@notanonymous3976 I don’t think God gets bored.
@@lovinglife439 You do know the reason why God created humans right? God wants servants by choice
God wants loyal worshipper that only look at God and deny their very dreams and passion
It's like someone giving you money that you really need but you can't use it
We only live once
And even if we get to heaven we will forget anything about earth
How is that rewarding?
We will hit factory reset anyway
@@Rayzenwho God deserves our love and devotion. Nobody knows all the reasons we are here, but I believe we are here to love God, to do good, and in the end to be rewarded by spending eternity with Him. Keep the faith. I know it gets tough sometimes, but keep the faith.
@@lovinglife439 How do you know God deserves your worship if you don't know your purpose for being?
There is one essential problem with this view: We are bots in a simulation which means something exists outside of this world but we fundamentally cannot access it. We are trapped within this system unless there is some way to bring us outside of the system. This leads to the question of how exactly the reward and punishment work. How can you eternally reward something that is bound to what amounts to a computer? It also posits that what is external to the system mirrors what is within the system which means that the external part is fundamentally flawed as well. It's a recursivity issue.
But now imagine they gave the little people a soul. And the soul is embodied in the computer. The body is the host. But the soul can transcend
That’s the limit of the metaphor, irl, the programming of the bots can become real rather than their little avatars (if that makes sense 😅)
I think of Nvidia’s digital twinning of factories. They train many bots but only the successful get uploaded to an autonomous robot body.
Where they can serve us and do our menial jobs.
By Not saying them what the punishment or reward will be except that it will be eternal
Our emotions are written to flow a certain way, our instincts, thoughts, how is any of this free will. If humans truly had free will we would all be sociopathic in nature, but we aren't, we are empathetic, which is something completely out of our control and will. Arguing about Free will is bs.
Ok THIS is my mind on Jesus. Hallelujah. Very profound,
1:05 Trinity.
Everything about this needs to be heard.
To give absolute freedom without knowledge to Humanity is like giving someone a car,but without a driving license nor lessons. What a Truly Perfect World would look like is one where all chose good,but not because of protocols,but exactly because of the combination of both Freedom and Knowledge. Freedom without the knowledge to make the right choices is simply flawed. Like a powerful car,but without tires. Knowledge is needed to use Freedom well. This is what we lack. This is the flaw of our world. The ultimate truth,that comes with Knowlege is that it is always better to help,than to hurt. The only reason people choose evil,instead of good is that they don't know enough.
I urge the people here to go watch MindShift's take on this video.
thanks for pointing me in his direction. He is brilliant at spelling out the lunacy of it all.
Great Rec. Thanks!
QUIZ:
1. world one. there are worlds with the possibility of joy with out evil. Games much?
2. big brother. If you make the not religious view seem the "evil choice" will it be true? If you can't make bad choices that doesn't mean a lack of will.
3. yes. By definition they can still do the act. Better a rock or a person in a cushioned cube? Being restarted at the end of the maze to the start mean you have no free will?
4. The bots. They made each other suffer, but the engineers made it possible, so give then merit too. If they cant make others suffer, do they suffer?
5. The engineers. They make it directly, suffering is a invert. Do the bots experience good need from the engineers or themselves, both right?
6. more info needed. In this question are the protocols memory or there moral system? And why say ", or him," is this for Christians or what? If a bot had "choice" then it implies a chance of another option, so eventually yes.
7. More info needed. Again what do you mean "eternal destination"? if this is real AI they are valued and translated into a new hopefully better AI. Are you trying to imply one's needed? if yes, how Christian. But by definition it's the engineers.
8. nonexistent. or running the same flaws depending on what they left them on for.
9. curiosity. obviously as an experiment, which could have an unlimited use to find something out, most likely abut morals of there own world.(which if they could simulate a world at a faster pace than there own we should know. ua-cam.com/video/fVN_5xsMDdg/v-deo.html
10. many things, but mainly I'd get an example of freewill and happiness with out evil actions, so not yours
Why bother to create a world in the first place? I would rather not create a world at all if i were to play god
Also, i would rather be a programmed bot ( given, no mental or any other form suffering due to your own nature ) than even the tiniest possibility of 'freely' choosing hell over god
Bingo. It's amazing how points like this go unaddressed in apologetic videos.
God made mankind to be with him. To live with him. However he gave mankind free will, hence when the most high created mankind they were sinless, not wicked but still had a free will which Satan tempted them to sin, the reason why the lord didn’t stop this is to abide by there free will: to let them decide whether they obey him or not, which consequently they rebelled against him through sinning which by that moment they bore sin and allowed sin and inequity to enter the world, disease, evil, suffering, death.
And what’s worse is that mankind is now “enslaved” by sin as sin is essentially rebellion to god, which means Satan is your master, which means man is governed not by the lord but Satan.As remember, the wager of sin is death, for the lord is perfect, he cannot allow wickedness to exist, as he is a judge.
@@Yummyfood-bz6xf none of these claims stands up to the slightest scrutiny. But they do provide a balm on the cognitive dissonance of a doubting believer, and hence they proliferate.
@@jonathan4189 so Satan is your master yes? You obviously and willfully reject the word of God and his grace, look God may love you more than you’ll ever know but if you do not follow him, he cannot save you
@@Yummyfood-bz6xf the unsoundness of your defense is its own issue. It’s suspicious though that when confronted with criticism you immediately jump to accusing me of being the slave of a supernatural entity. Yelling witch! may distract yourself and others, but it doesn’t address the issue at hand.
Then again, perhaps that’s exactly why you used that tactic.
1:05 the great AI engineers. So great they turn CSS to LLM like water to wine.
God : Quran Surah Al Balad
Indeed, We have created humankind in ˹constant˺ struggle.
Do they think that no one has power over them,
....
Have We not given them two eyes,
a tongue, and two lips;
And shown him the two ways (good and evil)? /and shown them the two ways ˹of right and wrong˺?
and shown them the two ways ˹of right and wrong˺?
If only they had attempted the challenging path ˹of goodness instead˺!
And what will make you realize what ˹attempting˺ the challenging path is?
It is to free a slave,
or to give food in times of famine
to an orphaned relative
or to a poor person in distress,
and-above all-to be one of those who have faith and urge each other to perseverance and urge each other to compassion.
These are the people of the right.
i hope to return to god one day. i essenetially slowly walked away from my church after my denomination declared my major in college of biotechnology a mortal sin and I would be going to hell for it even though i need it to study medicine or dentistry and eventually would provide healthcare back to my community. I hope to become a doctor of some sort and provide back to my community even if the churches dont stand by me due to the path required by the education system. I hope god sees me and is pleased.
What denomination??
@@closiewoo5658 catholicism
They're clearly wrong and they've made up nonsense. People aren't always right about theology, you need to research lots of different sides of it and come to your own conclusion.
Don't let the words of imperfect humans get between you and God.
Most denominations will have no problem with anyone going to college or becoming a doctor. Not sure which cult you were going to but don't feel bad about running away from them. Find a sound Bible believing church you can attend regularly. Never too late to return to Christ.
This is a really easy "quiz"
1. 2
2. 1
3. no
4. The bots
5. The bots
6. Yes
7. The engineers
8. Non-existent
9. A experiment/ entertainment to pass the hours when they weren't working on something important.
10. A karma based system where someone's "strength" or "power" is proportional to the good within them.
The good would become stronger and stronger and more powerful and more capable to perform more good, but as soon as they fall from the heights of good they lose their strength or power to manipulate the world for the time they are not good.
This ensures a positive goal of being a good moral character within reason, Those who chose not to partake in the goodness will remain innocent and those who are evil would become feeble and die out. This give incentive to be good while also permitting free will. They don't HAVE to do good. They don't have to do bad. They have a choice and are able to make that choice as they see fit.
Morally correct or good things would be knowable rather then subjective based on societies morality. It would be hard coded into the world. You would KNOW if you did something bad. There would be immediate repercussions.
Those that seek power could chase it. Those who could care less would just be happy and do what they wanted neither good nor bad.
If god existed and he installed this metric within our race then we would be just crazy morally just society. It also give evil people the chance to prosper into good and punishes those who were good turned evil.
It is an entirely fair merit based system that accounts for actions and intent. A system that a God COULD have implemented, but completely failed to do so.
This route would prevent significant evil actions, there would still be some. But only as a challenge to choose between good and evil.
Has no one ever thought of this before? Or has the bible brainwashed us into thinking that the word of GOD in the bible is the only justifiable way for the world to function. Personally I'd like my methodology more. Its more fair, and fails to violate the free will of innocents like the current moral standard.
Also, one more thing. If the human mind has the capacity to out-think the moral law of god, what does that make the man who had the idea?
lol, I'm just a man. I think myself just a man and an observer to what IS. But this video did provide the religious context of the bible in a more palatable format. I applaud your storytelling capabilities and respect you for your abilities as a person. I appreciate your hard work.
IF you would like to have a philosophical debate or to clarify my reasoning send me a message or a reply. I'm always up for a good philosophical debate.
At worst one of us may learn something new! That's always a fun time.
God gave an innocent child cancer because a perfect world was ‘boring’
Yeah but it doesn’t effect these people, otherwise they wouldn’t be preaching this crap.
Individual cells are given the same choice as Individual people
Some people die at childbirth, did they not have a life before that?
Some people die before they could talk, they had their life didn't they?
Life isn't just our choices, suffering will exist, regardless of what we choose
Suffering isn't all of life, but it is part of it, just like life and death itself.
Any will isn't all of cancer, just like one will isn't part of all of life, it is ALL will, every choice, every second, every dream, every breathe, is life
All life is life, and what we do with with is our choice
@@3bydacreekside Dead cells can't choose.
@@Tmaster2006YT Are you trying to say that Christians don’t suffer, and that’s why we believe? If so, that is farther from the truth. All humans suffer in some way, shape, or form. Christians’ testimonies have to do with the fact that God saved them from something, so there obviously pain and suffering involved. We’re not blind to it, and if anything we’re trying to help others who are in pain and suffering. Many of my family members who are Christian have had cancer or are going through it right now. Either God has healed them from it completely or He’s using it to teach them something, which is something He does with our trials. He did it with my grandfather and my grandpa didn’t become a Christian until he was suffering and found out about the cancer. God used it to save his soul, to get him to put his trust in Jesus. God has a purpose for everything. And even though we may not know yet the reason, God does, and us Christians know this. That’s why we have leaned on Jesus, because we know we can rely on the one who knows and can do anything. And I pray you come to the realization as well. I pray God reveals Himself to you in an undeniable way. God bless you greatly ❤
Not because a perfect world is boring, because we don't exist without free choice. The ability to choose to do evil, coincidentally, is WHY so many people get cancer. Chemicals in food and plastics and pollution and all sorts of man made causes of cancer. God didn't make asbestos or lead paint or leaded gasoline or lots of other toxic crap, humanity did
i cried watchint this.. this is a perfect example of explaination. this is art. this is love. God is so beautiful
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I disagee with the first argument that good and evil is the same as right and wrong. For example taking a longer path to a destination when a shorter path exists is wrong, but I don't think anyone would call that evil. I think the biggest flaw is the idea that being unable to do evil mean we have no free will. We are still able to party, read books, and learn about the world. Just imagine the setting of Omelas, but without the kid suffering in the basement. This is not a boring world.
I think you misunderstood. There's a question regarding exactly what you are talking about, which is something like , "What would happen if all of the bots followed the protocols set by the Engineers and followed Him?" The bots would still have free will while there's no suffering and we have a perfect world.
GOD teaches humankind to be good to each other, live a fulfilling life without hurting others, not talking against something, not putting others down, just trying to be good to others and to oneself, being good to parents and Neighbours, and most of all .... being just. If only humankind would listen to GOD and be JUST, be good and not oppress each other. We would live in a perfect world that is not boring but yet peaceful.
@@TheJalaleen Question is which GOD? There are so my versions of it so it is difficult for us bots to keep track of which software to upgrade from? LOL
And the reasoning is flawed that programming bots to avoid evil is against free will. I would say it's better to have free will to do anything except evil, then allowing to do anything horrible imaginable. So a 1 year old being raped is just a bot and free will will justifies what happened to her? Not to mention the suffering of her parents throughout life and mockery of justice with every country having it's own laws which have nothing in common with so-called God. Free will is justified where one man can decide the end of entire civilisations (think Hitler), and we common bots have no free will to not being wiped out from this world?
In the first world he mentioned, the bots still have free will. They used that will to create amazing things, advanced civilisation, and I'm pretty sure they were not bored because they could have developed entertainment and gaming systems which are beyond our imagination today. Compare that to constant destruction of each other we have been doing in the name of politics, religion, and nations. Living in constant fear of losing life, livelihood, and uncertainty of future.
I believe the first world is what the GOD would have created if it was created by a godly being, not by a psychopath who gets pleasure from watching us tear each other apart, get corrupted by all the injustice in this world (remember even the worst kind of evil like Hitler and massacres occurred because of the some circumstances and differences among us. If god created no difference betwee German or Jew, French or British, Black or White. None of the wars would have happened in this world. We all would be one big family.). This proves we just evolved from life on this planet, not uploaded by some godly being from outside.
"Why couldn't God find a way to not make me suffer so much? I didn't have to live through my daughter's death.. she was just a kid. Why create a world with so much evil and suffering around?"
"Cause God was bored?"
"..."
"..mb, you'll be compensated in heaven?"
"..."
".."
He didnt create the evil, you did.
@@GiRR007What a way to comfort a grieving father.... Do you have a heart?
@@adriani9432 Your comfort is irrelevant and not my problem.
So we all agree heaven (a perfect world) is boring?
No, it's not
Cuz heaven is the place where there's no negative feelings and it all have happiness, do you imagine living with your god in the same place???
@@Lightning.FutureCo. Yeah but he's says a perfect world like that is boring, and that the whole issue with it is that there's no challenges and stuff.
But yet heaven is supposed to be perfect. So that would imply that heaven is boring.
"Boring" is good, actually. World 1.0 would be pretty awesome to live in.
That bit is already where the video loses me in its attempt to convince/convert.
@@Oh_Its_That_Weirdo Yeah, I think a perfect world would be good so it's not my personal opinion that it's boring, I just don't understand the logic here. If you're calling a perfect world boring, you're saying heaven is boring too.
@@kassd4169 Yeah, I got that, hence the airquotes around "boring".
I wouldn't find it boring either... and my (non-Christian, but still theistic) idea of Heaven isn't all that different from World 1.0. I can't imagine a world that is heavenly and would still have things like individuality, "free will" etc.; removing those sources of suffering is part of *why* it would feel heavenly to me. I'd LOVE to be able to smoothly, perfectly function in a world where everyone else also smoothly, perfectly functions, doing the right thing forever, unable to even conceive of the idea of doing anything else than the right thing. That's paradise. Individuality is a prime cause of suffering.
If there is such a thing as original sin... then to me, personally, it's the existence of a biophysical body that is "me", separated from things that are *not me*. Erasing that is liberating. I am a drop of water, ever yearning to return to the ocean.
Wow, these engineers sound far from perfect, supernatural, omniscient, omnipotent, wise, infinite, loving, merciful, gracious. And worse yet, they do a bad job at letting their creation know that they exist.
to the bots...
they're supernatural and omnipotent because of the absolute power they have over their world.
Omniscient because they have access to every bit of data in this simulation.
Wise because they came to realize how much richer the second world was
Infinite because of their nature as being alive in our reality, not a simulation. A existence beyond the bot's comprehension.
Loving because they came to value how the bots conquered by themselves development and came to be unique individuals. They see their beauty which was the product of the suffering
Merciful, for letting these bots be truly free and alive, not in a full realized hive mind where everyone is and thinks the same. To feel pain is to be able to feel pleasure too.
Gracious, because the engineers striped themselves from the idea that only a perfect tuned species should have the gift of existence.
They did a great job.
@@The_true_Joe_mamano. That doesn’t hold up.
God must also be Timeless according to classical theism and thus future events are subject to that omniscience as well.
Therefore diseases can’t be unexpected. God created the world so that diseases world be given rise to. Which is consistent with the Bible where god uses diseases as punishment and claims to be the bringer of calamity.
You’ve written a lovely hallmark card there.
But it simply doesn’t grapple with the question at hand or address the reality as presented by the scriptures.
There can be no “horrors beyond the programmers expectations” when an all knowing programmer sets the initial parameters of the simulation.
Especially not if god can interact and influence the world in any way.
Hello everyone. I'm going to start by saying that I disagree with a high percentage of the conclusions made in this video but I'm going to give the ten questions my best shot. I'll try to keep my responses short, so I'm sure I'm not going to explain myself perfectly, but I'd be interested in thoughts/feedback from others.
1) Option 1 seems like the obvious choice to me. And considering that option 1 seems like a pretty good description of heaven it seems like the answer that most religious people also have set as their long term goal.
2) I don't see why those have to be the only two options. Can't there be a middle ground where we each take some responsibility? And considering that the engineers are providing the programing, they are responsible for the choices of the bots whether they want it to be that way or not.
3) Not entirely. But we do hold people responsible for attempting crimes whether they are successful or not. Attempted murder is a crime that people get charged with. Also, according to the Bible, God intervenes in "bad acts" on a regular basis. When people pray they are often asking God to intervene in a negative consequence. So I think people want and expect God to do this.
4) The engineers. They created the environment and the programming so they are entirely responsible for it.
5) Same as number 4.
6) Yes there still would be suffering. There would still be natural disasters, disease, mass extinctions, etc. Even if that wasn't the case, since this is an analogy for humanity the bots are programmed to be incapable of following those things perfectly, so the engineers have made this option impossible.
7) The engineers. They created the eternal destinations, they implement the eternal destinations, and they just didn't have to do that. Also, they gave the bots the programming that lead them to their eternal destinations and have made them incapable of being any other way.
8) They wouldn't have ever existed, which I would argue is a better outcome than literally any of them ending up in hell.
9) According to you, making "good" bots. I don't think the Bible gives us any reason to assume that was God's intention, however. Also, I think their intention should have shifted to getting everyone into heaven since sending anyone to hell is a horrifying and monstrous choice.
10) The biggest ones for me are no hell and being personally, obviously, openly involved in the lives of each and every person. I would also improve the programming of the bots so that they don't want to do the horrible things that lead to suffering and are actually capable of following the rules that I've set. But I would also include: no disease; no predation; not allowing and certainly not commanding or causing genocide; not requiring living things to eat, drink, breathe, or sleep; just choosing to forgive people because I'm omnipotent and can do that; not making faith a requirement; maybe just putting people in heaven to begin with. I could come up with more, but I feel like I've already been long winded in my response.
I'm curious about everyone else's thoughts. Hopefully we can have a good discussion about some different perspectives.
it is the first account of disobedience and im on a higher level of spirtual awekening.