This makes Salieri's (fictional) hatred of Mozart all the more meaningful. He was willing to offer up his chastity for immortality in music, but the young brash Mozart carried on with women and surpassed him in every way only for Salieri's legacy to fade away.
this is so stupid the movie didn't portray salieri with justice. there was no bitter jealousy... a lot it Italian vs german politics I must admit but not the kind that Salieri would be hell bent on destroying Mozart. Antonio Salieri didn't offer up his chastity to God, as a matter of fact he married and had children... the singer in the movie, whom he refers to as his girl, he had an affair with her too. Salieri wasn't a hateful sad prick as he is portrayed... This truly pains me
@Qriosity Gaming. I think anyone with an ounce of intelligence understand that this was just a story. Not enough is known about the life of Mozart for a Hollywood production. They would’ve been wiser do use a fictional name in place of Salieri who in fact was a very competent .composer.
@@ccole5386 Wow! I never saw that ... I just saw Salieri's pride spilling out all over. Yeah, not only does Mozart love his father, but he loves his father despite his father's demanding cruelty.
Weirdly enough, the one thing that sticks with me most from this entire sequence is the herd of Italian women just shouting "FRANCEEEEESCO!" as he chokes. It's kinda hilarious.
He's arrogant in his prayer. But what I like in his character is that he can't deny wolfgang's superb talent amid his hatred on him being lousy in personal life.
The music is from the Stabat Mater (1736) by Giovanni Battista Pergolesi (1710-1736). The text fits what Salieri says: Quando corpus morietur, [When my body dies,] “While my father prayed earnestly...“ fac, ut animae donetur [et my soul be granted] “Lord, Make me a great composer...” fac, ut animae donetur “Make me famous...” paradisi gloria. [the glory of paradise.] “After I die...” Quando corpus morietur, “And do you know...” Amen! [So be it!] "Of course I knew God had arranged it!"
Pergolesi’s stabat mater really is a perfect representation of Salieri’s sacrifice. The movement playing when he becomes chaste is “Quando Corpus Morietur”, or in Latin, “when the body dies”. He is sacrificing his entire sexual life (the dying body) for the beauty of music.
*_Exactly. That's the thing: "In return... ". In essence, he says "I'll do your will, if you make me great. But if you don't, I won't do your will". In MY naked eyes, IT'S AMAZING HOW MANY PEOPLE DON'T SEE HIS MISGUIDED PIETY_*
(I say this knowing the movie is fictionalized) God actually answers Salieri's prayer completely. As you said Salieri offered to God his deepest humility - God through Mozart in the movie tests whether Salieri is staying true to his vow or not - and he doesn't!
@@danielburbank1669 Good observation, Daniel! But here is the real conundrum- what was Salieri's mistake (in the story)? I'll give you a hint: it wasn't because he bargained with God. We see the same thing in the bible. Abraham, Jacob, and Moses are just a few immediate examples of men who bargained with God and succeeded. Samson was made mighty by a bargain his mother made with the Almighty. So what did Salieri do wrong?
@@BigBri550 I don't think his problem was that he bargained with God, I just think his problem was that he didn't actually fulfill his vow in regards to humility because he could never accept God's will in making Mozart his "chosen instrument". There are many examples in the Bible of God's will being difficult for people to understand or accept, even with Christ himself people thought that he would restore Israel's earthy kingdom and did not understand why he didn't. I guess it can be argued whether God granted Salieri to be a "great" composer (Salieri felt like he was mediocre) but he certainly granted him fame and love from others, for instance being celebrated by the emperor as having written the finest opera ever, and clearly the audiences loved Salieri more than Mozart. When Salieri prays to God later in the movie asking him for divinely inspired music, I do believe God would have granted it for him had he humbled himself and stopped resenting God for choosing Mozart.
@@danielburbank1669 Yes, he definitely did not keep to his humility vow. But the way I see it, what he bargained for had nothing to do with humility in the first place. He wanted divine ability with which to attain fame, adoration, and commemoration down through history- hardly a goal steeped in humility. How does one become God's vessel yet take all the credit & glory for one's self? The way I see it, Salieri (in the story) sought something that was never his to seek. God provides people's destinies, and it is their job to walk in that destiny. To turn to God and ask Him to provide something other than that which He has already provided is to seek askew. Further, to hate God for not granting one's wish like a genie in a bottle is downright childish. So, lack of humility definitely played into it. But his vow of humility was made in vain anyway, so the real issue was that he was basically demanding, in the form of a religious petition, someone else's destiny. And his lot (Mozart's) was not so great in the end as to be so coveted. He did go down in history, though.
Francesco was played by Peter Di Gesu. He lives still. *_And in MY naked eyes, it's safe to say the dad wasn't abusive, Antonio just had a mind full of hatred_*
Do note however how the movie portrayed the growing hate in Salieri as he felt god mocking him for every new opera/concerto that Mozart released. He even mentions it in one of the scenes if i am not mistaken. That he felt feelings he had never felt before. And this is after Mozart has entered the movie.
He got to play in the streets with the other children when Mozart was performing for royalty.....Salieri in a sense got a childhood that Mozart never did....and yet in their own way neither of them grew up.
I can relate to Salieri, I am not an adult yet I feel like a failure even though I spend so many hours of my day practicing and trying to get better, Mozart had the genetics to be great, Mozart was rich, Mozart had a teacher, I did not, and the way Salieri was portrayed in the movie he didn't either. I can see you're point but I practice all the fucking time yet I'm not Mozart or Leonardo Da Vinci, it fucking hurts man, every single day. The real thing that stings is that I listen to Mozart's music all the time, and in the back of my mind it haunts me, that no matter how hard I try I can never be as good as him. Even when I win things all I can think about it these prodigies who are better than me, and it brings me to tears half of the time, I feel like such a fucking failure even though I win, I will never be as great. I just want want Salieri wants, to be truly great at something, not for others, but more for me. I never played with other kids, I still don't, I'm 14, I'm going to an art highschool this year though, so maybe things will change. I wish I didn't have to live in isolated misery, I would do anything to be as good, absolutely anything. I wish I could perform for royalty instead of living in this shit place with no money to afford people to teach me, I just want to learn.
While my father prayed earnestly to God to protect commerce, I would offer up secretly the proudest prayer a boy could think of: Lord, make me a great composer. Let me celebrate Your glory through music and be celebrated myself. Make me famous through the world, dear God. Make me immortal. After I die, let people speak my name forever with love for what I wrote. In return, I will give You my chastity, my industry, my deepest humility, every hour of my life, Amen.
He really shouldn’t have promised his chastity. I used to believe that’s why he never touched the opera singer he listened after and Mozart hooking up with her is what pushed him over the edge.
This movie was not meant to be accurate (thought that does greatly bother me since many viewers don't look into the actual lives of many of the historical figures the movie portrays), it was purely made for entertainment.
This scene immediately makes plain why Salieri was not worthy of God's favor, because he had no love in his heart. Mozart was a man driven by love, for his family as well as his music, while Salieri was only interested in his own glory. Ego and love are not the same thing.
The prayer was for god to make him immortal and famous, and in exchange he would offer his humility. :D I suspect god saw through the vanity of that prayer, and made him suffer his vanity sorely.
I like how Salieri claims to offer God his (Salieri's) humility. He just asked God to make him famous. To make him (and his music) immortal. Hardly sounds like the makings of offering God your humility.
Well he technically got his wish. He was famous and successful in his time and people still talk about him today. Granted most people talk about the film version of Salieri rather than about the real Salieri’s music but still.
Dorian: my god, this is fiction only using real characters, you cannot judge Salieri by what he's been portrayed like ages after his death! It's severely romanticised. You can trust it only as a work of art, but not as a historical source
If he didn't have chastity, he probably wouldn't have been so miserable over the years. Even after being bested by Mozart, he could have just lived his life in peace with a wife and kids. He really shouldn't have cared so much about how Mozart was better than him. He should have realized that no matter how good you are, there is always someone out there better than you. He wasn't really poor either. He could have just been happy that he had a good run and became a has-been, which is better than a never-was.
Actually, I like Salieri in this scene. Why should anything stand between a child and his dreams? His father should be the conduit not the obstacle. Good for him! God said, "Francisco, Must go!"
Regonition from others should not be a goal, but a byproduct of your good work and deeds. That’s the main thing I disagree with this version of Salieri
The devil or Lucifer was the chief worship seraphim in heaven prior to his fall. He was beautiful and he desired after all to be God, immortal..... Exactly the same prayer Salieri was praying to be, to be beautiful and famous and a worship minister. At the expense of his father's own demise. Which son would think a father's death is a good thing? Let alone praying such a prayer when his father passes on in the same funeral. Salieri was only worshipping himself, and his own self importance, using Jesus Christ as a vending machine for his own gain, and not obeying the teachings of God in Scripture. That is why Mozart was handed to him by God in the very country he was given patronage, the Austrian Empire. I mean what a way to teach him humility. Yet he refuses to humble himself and be a good person and had to go on and harm the very instrument that was sent to develop Salieri's character further, to be a better human, a better Christian. He rejected that path and caused harm to another fellow human. For that he has distanced himself from God rather. Just as he was not filial to his own earthly father, he too is not a filial son to his Heavenly Father, only paying him lip service.
1:26 - 1:36 A fine sunday noon the family enjoyed their lunch. Salieri took his first bite and then suddenly... His father was choking. The kid was shocked. Some seconds later, the worst possible thing happened: *HIS FATHER DIED*. I think no one would want to be in Salieri's place :( *10
This scene shows what Salieri (the movie character) really is: he is evil. It's not the love for music that drives him on, it's the love for himself. He wants god to chose him as his highest priest just because it's him. He wants his music to be in every church. But god doesn't chose him because he is a devious, lying, vindictive person. His promises are worth nothing. Out of anger for Mozart's talent, he burns the crucifix he used to pray to, because for him god was only there to serve him. And since Salieri can't be better than Mozart, he tries to pull him down by sabotaging his life. If he can't be the best, nobody is supposed to. His humility is self-pity. He then end up as the hightest among the scum of vienna - but he enjoys it, since everything he always wanted to be is better than everybody around him.
I don't think "evil" is the right word. Arrogant, jealous, but not evil. He just wanted to be remembered. He felt that God betrayed him after working so hard for it, while Mozart was just a flat out genius. He wouldn't be so angry at Mozart being better than him, if Mozart wasn't so crude, vulgar, childish and arrogant. He felt that Mozart should be the last person to be so gifted. He wanted people to recognize his music. It wasn't enough for Mozart to best him in music, it was also because Mozart's music was being remembered more and more after his death, while he was still alive, yet his music was getting fainter until people don't remember him anymore. Even so when he had thought about killing Mozart, he wasn't as cold hearted as he thought. He dreamed about it but didn't really want to actually kill Mozart. He could have left him for dead when he was sick, but he didn't. He felt guilty over the years, thinking he was responsible. He was still his idol. Salieri should have just minded his own business, live his life, and still play music for the love of it, not because of fame.
Not so much evil, but rather a fallible human, with faults and tendency towards sin. He seems very pious on the surface, but he hasn't really been introspective about his pride, envy and greed. He actually exhibits several of the Cardinal Sins rather than the Virtues. The character is a great tragic study on the fallibility of mankind. The problem with just labelling him in particular as evil is that, while it's close to accurate, it loses the understanding that his faults are human all too human. The character is conpelling because we're all like him in part.
"Humility, chastity, industry." That was Salieri's mistake. He takes himself and music far too seriously. Great musicians invariably have a sense of fun. That's why it's called "playing" music. They're arrogant, they enjoy ribaldry, booze, drugs, women, money... They can be hardworking and occasionally serious, but they don't have a stick up their ass like (movie) Salieri... Hence the boring, overly academic music.
The part about Salieri's father in this movie seems rather incomplete & too shallow! I mean, surely a grown man like the old Salieri, wouldn't be behaving like an adolecsent teen over his own father's death!
Wow!!he could have prayed" oh lord let my father support me " But his broken soul thought death is the answer It really looks like a great movie,but I live in a third world country.I can not attain this movie,and I dont know how. So I am watching clips . I found this while I was searching for Mozart music So sad poor old man
Now I have a thought.he belived god answerd his prayers and arranged everything to make him the greatest but he didn't think God might have put Mozart in his way as a challenge so he could overcome him and become the best
@@suj4924 he passionately wanted to be a musician,who will never be forgotten. So it was his first priority and only goal. But Mozart didn't behave like a noble or wasn't great or wise as a person,that's why he couldn't accept that God gifted this man with a tremendous talent instead of him. The movie is amazing, even though it doesn't show reality. I've watched it with subtitles. If you understand english well, you can find and watch it in many websites. I highly recommend you to watch this movie^^
No, he prayed to be given a chance to prove himself and work his way to the top. His father stood in the way not acknowledging music as a thing, so he asked God to help him out. And he did, sort of.
Salieri asked God “make me a great composer” and then God made one for him
Phrasing is key
omg so true
Disguised as a trained monkey just for irony.
underrated comment
One of the best comments I ever came across. I salute you dearly for it.
I like how the priest isn't too happy with Salieri's perception of "a miracle." 😆
This makes Salieri's (fictional) hatred of Mozart all the more meaningful. He was willing to offer up his chastity for immortality in music, but the young brash Mozart carried on with women and surpassed him in every way only for Salieri's legacy to fade away.
this is so stupid the movie didn't portray salieri with justice. there was no bitter jealousy... a lot it Italian vs german politics I must admit but not the kind that Salieri would be hell bent on destroying Mozart. Antonio Salieri didn't offer up his chastity to God, as a matter of fact he married and had children... the singer in the movie, whom he refers to as his girl, he had an affair with her too. Salieri wasn't a hateful sad prick as he is portrayed... This truly pains me
@Qriosity Gaming. I think anyone with an ounce of intelligence understand that this was just a story. Not enough is known about the life of Mozart for a Hollywood production. They would’ve been wiser do use a fictional name in place of Salieri who in fact was a very competent .composer.
no truth has ever come out of Hollywood
@@BaseK59 Well this was a play before Hollywood ever touched it.
@@Pksoze True, but what I said is true also. :)
"And you know what happened? A miracle!" I always laugh so much at this scene!!
in a way, it was totally random.
Lol me too.
big juxtaposition with Mozart who is loves his father and hugs him throughout the movie.
@@ccole5386 Wow! I never saw that ... I just saw Salieri's pride spilling out all over. Yeah, not only does Mozart love his father, but he loves his father despite his father's demanding cruelty.
no , you not laugh at this .
"It was at this moment that I knew he was utterly insane."
-The Priest
I love how no matter what he’s talking about, or what emotions he’s feeling, he can’t say the word “music” without love in his voice.
Weirdly enough, the one thing that sticks with me most from this entire sequence is the herd of Italian women just shouting "FRANCEEEEESCO!" as he chokes. It's kinda hilarious.
+Wolf6119 Yah that's why I'm here. When I watched the movie, when she started screaming FRANCEEESCO, I just couldn't stop laughing.
*_THAT ITALIAN WOMAN MADE HIS DEATH EVEN MORE CERTAIN, BY HITTING HIM ON THE BACK_*
I do believe that they say...
*Shanchez*...
...And...
NOT *Francesco*...
At least...
This is what i hear!!
@@These2EyesSeeEverything that's because God directed her hands.
@@These2EyesSeeEverything it's all God's plan.
He's arrogant in his prayer. But what I like in his character is that he can't deny wolfgang's superb talent amid his hatred on him being lousy in personal life.
To be honest, every young boy is arrogant in his prayer. It's completely natural.
@@mr.metamovies2419 true. But I think the issue is that he never really grew out of it (this fictional version of Salieri anyway).
The music is from the Stabat Mater (1736) by Giovanni Battista Pergolesi (1710-1736). The text fits what Salieri says:
Quando corpus morietur, [When my body dies,]
“While my father prayed earnestly...“
fac, ut animae donetur [et my soul be granted]
“Lord, Make me a great composer...”
fac, ut animae donetur
“Make me famous...”
paradisi gloria. [the glory of paradise.]
“After I die...”
Quando corpus morietur,
“And do you know...”
Amen! [So be it!]
"Of course I knew God had arranged it!"
Very nice explanation ♥️♥️♥️🤩👌👌
Thank you for identifying this piece!
Pergolesi’s stabat mater really is a perfect representation of Salieri’s sacrifice. The movement playing when he becomes chaste is “Quando Corpus Morietur”, or in Latin, “when the body dies”. He is sacrificing his entire sexual life (the dying body) for the beauty of music.
In real life, he had eight children.
Weirdly, he has all the mannerisms of a Disney villain!
He talks of offering God his humility in exchange for God making him immortal. His arrogant pride blinds him to this conundrum.
*_Exactly. That's the thing: "In return... ". In essence, he says "I'll do your will, if you make me great. But if you don't, I won't do your will". In MY naked eyes, IT'S AMAZING HOW MANY PEOPLE DON'T SEE HIS MISGUIDED PIETY_*
(I say this knowing the movie is fictionalized) God actually answers Salieri's prayer completely. As you said Salieri offered to God his deepest humility - God through Mozart in the movie tests whether Salieri is staying true to his vow or not - and he doesn't!
@@danielburbank1669 Good observation, Daniel! But here is the real conundrum- what was Salieri's mistake (in the story)? I'll give you a hint: it wasn't because he bargained with God. We see the same thing in the bible. Abraham, Jacob, and Moses are just a few immediate examples of men who bargained with God and succeeded. Samson was made mighty by a bargain his mother made with the Almighty.
So what did Salieri do wrong?
@@BigBri550 I don't think his problem was that he bargained with God, I just think his problem was that he didn't actually fulfill his vow in regards to humility because he could never accept God's will in making Mozart his "chosen instrument". There are many examples in the Bible of God's will being difficult for people to understand or accept, even with Christ himself people thought that he would restore Israel's earthy kingdom and did not understand why he didn't. I guess it can be argued whether God granted Salieri to be a "great" composer (Salieri felt like he was mediocre) but he certainly granted him fame and love from others, for instance being celebrated by the emperor as having written the finest opera ever, and clearly the audiences loved Salieri more than Mozart. When Salieri prays to God later in the movie asking him for divinely inspired music, I do believe God would have granted it for him had he humbled himself and stopped resenting God for choosing Mozart.
@@danielburbank1669 Yes, he definitely did not keep to his humility vow. But the way I see it, what he bargained for had nothing to do with humility in the first place. He wanted divine ability with which to attain fame, adoration, and commemoration down through history- hardly a goal steeped in humility. How does one become God's vessel yet take all the credit & glory for one's self?
The way I see it, Salieri (in the story) sought something that was never his to seek. God provides people's destinies, and it is their job to walk in that destiny. To turn to God and ask Him to provide something other than that which He has already provided is to seek askew. Further, to hate God for not granting one's wish like a genie in a bottle is downright childish.
So, lack of humility definitely played into it. But his vow of humility was made in vain anyway, so the real issue was that he was basically demanding, in the form of a religious petition, someone else's destiny. And his lot (Mozart's) was not so great in the end as to be so coveted.
He did go down in history, though.
this awesome scene was the first indication that Salieri was not right in the mind, like, to see his father's death as a miracle???
Dorian Guido Wasn't he being sarcastic?
Then again we arent told how their relationship was in detail. Maybe he was abusive.
Francesco was played by Peter Di Gesu. He lives still. *_And in MY naked eyes, it's safe to say the dad wasn't abusive, Antonio just had a mind full of hatred_*
Do note however how the movie portrayed the growing hate in Salieri as he felt god mocking him for every new opera/concerto that Mozart released. He even mentions it in one of the scenes if i am not mistaken. That he felt feelings he had never felt before. And this is after Mozart has entered the movie.
Maybe he has a seed of hate in him. But full of hatred? I would not agree that the movie portrays him as such.
Interestingly, Francesco was not his father’s name, but his brother’s. So, the women appear to be calling out for help from the brother.
It also probably makes the movie less confusing since the main character is also named “Antonio Salieri”
He got to play in the streets with the other children when Mozart was performing for royalty.....Salieri in a sense got a childhood that Mozart never did....and yet in their own way neither of them grew up.
I can relate to Salieri, I am not an adult yet I feel like a failure even though I spend so many hours of my day practicing and trying to get better, Mozart had the genetics to be great, Mozart was rich, Mozart had a teacher, I did not, and the way Salieri was portrayed in the movie he didn't either. I can see you're point but I practice all the fucking time yet I'm not Mozart or Leonardo Da Vinci, it fucking hurts man, every single day. The real thing that stings is that I listen to Mozart's music all the time, and in the back of my mind it haunts me, that no matter how hard I try I can never be as good as him. Even when I win things all I can think about it these prodigies who are better than me, and it brings me to tears half of the time, I feel like such a fucking failure even though I win, I will never be as great. I just want want Salieri wants, to be truly great at something, not for others, but more for me. I never played with other kids, I still don't, I'm 14, I'm going to an art highschool this year though, so maybe things will change. I wish I didn't have to live in isolated misery, I would do anything to be as good, absolutely anything. I wish I could perform for royalty instead of living in this shit place with no money to afford people to teach me, I just want to learn.
@@totallynotsummermorrison33 I'm very sorry
Leonardo de Vinci doesn’t play piano..
@@totallynotsummermorrison33 you need therapy
Exactly
I keep watching these clips expecting it to go on and on and then it ends abruptly.
I need to see this movie again.
Nightfeather
Same here! I’m instantly bummed each time the videos end...
The crucifix itself is a foundation of the entire film; think how many times it appears to connect to the title. Fabulous in every way,
The choking scene is so exaggerated. It makes the scene funny.
It's meant to be funny.
Hell, he mentioned that his father's death was "A Miracle!"
I can laugh now, but as a kid this scene was traumatizing
I'm thinking he could have used a bigger coffin...
0:47-1:17 is the absolute best part
I agree
While my father prayed earnestly to God to protect commerce, I would offer up secretly the proudest prayer a boy could think of: Lord, make me a great composer. Let me celebrate Your glory through music and be celebrated myself. Make me famous through the world, dear God. Make me immortal. After I die, let people speak my name forever with love for what I wrote. In return, I will give You my chastity, my industry, my deepest humility, every hour of my life, Amen.
He gives god his Chastity. But in real life he got married and had nine children.
Chastity and celibacy are not the same thing.
“Oh course, I knew God had arranged it all.” The look on the priest’s face after he said that was priceless. 😂
He really shouldn’t have promised his chastity. I used to believe that’s why he never touched the opera singer he listened after and Mozart hooking up with her is what pushed him over the edge.
Yeah, that's when he started losing it, when he realized Mozart had access to both immense talent and top pussy
The Priest looks at him like: you sick bastard
😅
I read that in Roger’s (American dad) voice when Stan molested that horse
Funny thing; if it weren’t for Mozart, Salieri would have faded into obscurity
This is one of my favorite scenes.
1:34 "Francesco!"
The name of Antonio Salieri's father was Antonio.
This movie was not meant to be accurate (thought that does greatly bother me since many viewers don't look into the actual lives of many of the historical figures the movie portrays), it was purely made for entertainment.
valentino1000 he did have an older brother named Francesco, maybe she was calling out for him to do something for his father?
This scene immediately makes plain why Salieri was not worthy of God's favor, because he had no love in his heart. Mozart was a man driven by love, for his family as well as his music, while Salieri was only interested in his own glory. Ego and love are not the same thing.
saliei's dad was also called Antonio
The prayer was for god to make him immortal and famous, and in exchange he would offer his humility. :D
I suspect god saw through the vanity of that prayer, and made him suffer his vanity sorely.
Exactly.
I like how Salieri claims to offer God his (Salieri's) humility. He just asked God to make him famous. To make him (and his music) immortal. Hardly sounds like the makings of offering God your humility.
Indeed. That's his fault really. His pride and ego.
Amen. A great prayer.
Well he technically got his wish. He was famous and successful in his time and people still talk about him today. Granted most people talk about the film version of Salieri rather than about the real Salieri’s music but still.
AMEN, AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!
The genius of Pergolesi.
Great actor!
Dorian: my god, this is fiction only using real characters, you cannot judge Salieri by what he's been portrayed like ages after his death! It's severely romanticised. You can trust it only as a work of art, but not as a historical source
+zralokvemigraci of course, but you dont expect everyone to realize that straight away, do you?
I love this movie, but I really feel bad for the actual salieri that this is how many people remember him
zralokvemigraci anyone who goes to a work of fiction seeking historical authority is already an idiot.
I agree
There were historical misconceptions in this film. Hollywood loves flash and scandal, like boring, everyday life.
If he didn't have chastity, he probably wouldn't have been so miserable over the years. Even after being bested by Mozart, he could have just lived his life in peace with a wife and kids. He really shouldn't have cared so much about how Mozart was better than him. He should have realized that no matter how good you are, there is always someone out there better than you. He wasn't really poor either. He could have just been happy that he had a good run and became a has-been, which is better than a never-was.
Actually, I like Salieri in this scene. Why should anything stand between a child and his dreams? His father should be the conduit not the obstacle. Good for him! God said, "Francisco, Must go!"
Regonition from others should not be a goal, but a byproduct of your good work and deeds. That’s the main thing I disagree with this version of Salieri
So GOD fulfill all his wishes. Be tanksful for what you have got is such a powerful mind state. You will not deviate and lost peace of mind.
The devil or Lucifer was the chief worship seraphim in heaven prior to his fall. He was beautiful and he desired after all to be God, immortal.....
Exactly the same prayer Salieri was praying to be, to be beautiful and famous and a worship minister. At the expense of his father's own demise. Which son would think a father's death is a good thing? Let alone praying such a prayer when his father passes on in the same funeral.
Salieri was only worshipping himself, and his own self importance, using Jesus Christ as a vending machine for his own gain, and not obeying the teachings of God in Scripture.
That is why Mozart was handed to him by God in the very country he was given patronage, the Austrian Empire. I mean what a way to teach him humility. Yet he refuses to humble himself and be a good person and had to go on and harm the very instrument that was sent to develop Salieri's character further, to be a better human, a better Christian.
He rejected that path and caused harm to another fellow human. For that he has distanced himself from God rather. Just as he was not filial to his own earthly father, he too is not a filial son to his Heavenly Father, only paying him lip service.
1:26 - 1:36 A fine sunday noon the family enjoyed their lunch. Salieri took his first bite and then suddenly...
His father was choking. The kid was shocked. Some seconds later, the worst possible thing happened:
*HIS FATHER DIED*.
I think no one would want to be in Salieri's place :( *10
FRANCESCO!
Stabat Mater Quando Corpus Morietur and amen.... Giovanni Battista Pergolesi...
We all agree... Don't send Worf from Star Trek There!
The boys is so cute
This scene shows what Salieri (the movie character) really is: he is evil. It's not the love for music that drives him on, it's the love for himself. He wants god to chose him as his highest priest just because it's him. He wants his music to be in every church. But god doesn't chose him because he is a devious, lying, vindictive person. His promises are worth nothing. Out of anger for Mozart's talent, he burns the crucifix he used to pray to, because for him god was only there to serve him. And since Salieri can't be better than Mozart, he tries to pull him down by sabotaging his life. If he can't be the best, nobody is supposed to. His humility is self-pity. He then end up as the hightest among the scum of vienna - but he enjoys it, since everything he always wanted to be is better than everybody around him.
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I don't think "evil" is the right word. Arrogant, jealous, but not evil. He just wanted to be remembered. He felt that God betrayed him after working so hard for it, while Mozart was just a flat out genius. He wouldn't be so angry at Mozart being better than him, if Mozart wasn't so crude, vulgar, childish and arrogant. He felt that Mozart should be the last person to be so gifted. He wanted people to recognize his music. It wasn't enough for Mozart to best him in music, it was also because Mozart's music was being remembered more and more after his death, while he was still alive, yet his music was getting fainter until people don't remember him anymore.
Even so when he had thought about killing Mozart, he wasn't as cold hearted as he thought. He dreamed about it but didn't really want to actually kill Mozart. He could have left him for dead when he was sick, but he didn't. He felt guilty over the years, thinking he was responsible. He was still his idol. Salieri should have just minded his own business, live his life, and still play music for the love of it, not because of fame.
Not so much evil, but rather a fallible human, with faults and tendency towards sin. He seems very pious on the surface, but he hasn't really been introspective about his pride, envy and greed. He actually exhibits several of the Cardinal Sins rather than the Virtues. The character is a great tragic study on the fallibility of mankind. The problem with just labelling him in particular as evil is that, while it's close to accurate, it loses the understanding that his faults are human all too human. The character is conpelling because we're all like him in part.
God doesn't make deals, the devil does
" While my father prayed earnestly to God to protect commerce." Salieri What bible was Salieri's Father reading?
what is the song of the minute 0:07?
god answered his prayer only to turn it entirely against him...
God answered his prayer but tested Salieri's vow of humility through Mozart and Salieri did not pass
God: What?! NO, I'M TRYING TO PUNISH YOU FOR YOUR ARROGANCE!!
What is this piece? I look up Stabat Mater. It's the voice of creation
"Humility, chastity, industry." That was Salieri's mistake. He takes himself and music far too seriously. Great musicians invariably have a sense of fun. That's why it's called "playing" music. They're arrogant, they enjoy ribaldry, booze, drugs, women, money... They can be hardworking and occasionally serious, but they don't have a stick up their ass like (movie) Salieri... Hence the boring, overly academic music.
Does anyone know what the song is called that the choir is singing?
Amen.
Stabat Mater
*_Stabat Mater: Quando Corpus Morietur and Amen._*
*Composer: Giovanni Battista Pergolesi*
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Didn't remember Slaireri's dad dying.
We wouldn't know who he was had it not been for the movie. 😊
The father was abusive.
what song in 1:32 ?
oh i found it by myself. It's Giovan Battista Pergolesi's Stabat Mater
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The part about Salieri's father in this movie seems rather incomplete & too shallow! I mean, surely a grown man like the old Salieri, wouldn't be behaving like an adolecsent teen over his own father's death!
He didn’t prey forbid fathers death…..just a chance at what he wanted. His fathers sudden death paved the way more ch easier.
Oh we remember you Salieri but as the patron saint of mediocrity.
He ate the fish bone
You think he needs a cigarette?
I want to watch his movie so bad, I'm cereal! Where can I find it?
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sooo...have you watched it yet? :-)
I started coughing when his father was dying. 👌👌
I didnt watch the movie but I assume his father was not supportive , and its the reason he think his father's death as miracle ?
Is that what happened
Yes, you are totally right :)
Wow!!he could have prayed" oh lord let my father support me "
But his broken soul thought death is the answer
It really looks like a great movie,but I live in a third world country.I can not attain this movie,and I dont know how. So I am watching clips .
I found this while I was searching for Mozart music
So sad poor old man
Now I have a thought.he belived god answerd his prayers and arranged everything to make him the greatest but he didn't think God might have put Mozart in his way as a challenge so he could overcome him and become the best
@@suj4924 he passionately wanted to be a musician,who will never be forgotten. So it was his first priority and only goal. But Mozart didn't behave like a noble or wasn't great or wise as a person,that's why he couldn't accept that God gifted this man with a tremendous talent instead of him.
The movie is amazing, even though it doesn't show reality. I've watched it with subtitles. If you understand english well, you can find and watch it in many websites. I highly recommend you to watch this movie^^
Soooo....have you watched the movie yet? :-)
He was sick and died
So conceited
WTF?
This is almost like a satire of the overly pretentious modern gospel singer interviews happening at the time.
So salieri is Italian?
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This is completely historically inaccurate.
It doesn't need to be accurate.
Most movies are.
Such selfishness from Salieri. He prayed to be famous rather than working to be famous.
I'm sure that Salieri worked very hard to become a successful composer and musician. Nothing wrong with praying as well as working....
No, he prayed to be given a chance to prove himself and work his way to the top. His father stood in the way not acknowledging music as a thing, so he asked God to help him out. And he did, sort of.