I think you nailed it when you said "it's becoming like a phone". Once you get over the stunning acceleration that every EV with a suitably big battery can have, and once they've solved the major hurdle of range when lugging around that big battery (sounds like they have, but let's see independent tests), I'm left with styling and interior. So they will be the things that determine a car purchase. Just like battery life and camera upgrades determine a new phone. As an "old" I have no animosity to EVs and if this is the way forward, then that's progress, I'm just glad to have been around when a purchase by enthusiasts was based on cylinders, sounds, drive train layout, handling, emotion and individual character. Also, get off my lawn.
Great video, The Porsche Taycan doesn't "almost change gear at a certain speed" it actually does change gear, it's got a 2 speed gearbox on the rear motor.
Using the MG Cyberster for comparison, the direct (July 2023) yuan to GBP price is £26K; the UK price starts at £55K. So a 2.1 multiplier would give a better guide price, and we're probably looking at £60K for the dual motor SU7.
The SU7 Max uses an NMC Li-ion battery, not a LiFP battery which Tesla and others are moving to because it's safer and has a longer life cycle. NMC batteries are far more likely to suffer thermal runaway than LiFP ones. But they're cheaper, and have higher charge density, hence better range and faster charging. Personally I'd rather have a battery that's not going to explode and kill people, even if only very rarely!
That is a good looking car. With its origins in mobile phone technology & speed of growth, might we see wireless charging in the near future? It will be interesting to see, if any insurance company's will insist on a form of acceleration limiter. The biggest attraction of autonomous driving is the positive impact on the freedom of movement it will have for the elderly. Knowing thay can travel anywhere at any time safely, has got to be a huge benefit for their mental health.
..and it will still be cheaper than the competition! It’s just whether the quoted figures are real and whether the quality / safety is where we need it to be.
Thanks! I did see this on Fully Charged earlier in the week but typically the presenter was eulogising on how amazing it was. Far rather have your perspective. I'd like an EV (driven quite a few) but when the circumstances are right for me.
Fast charging requires enormous power. No getting around the laws of physics. Are there any public chargers capable of delivering the implied power? How about if ten such vehicles turn up? You’ll need a standard power station to meet demand.
Do you realise the nature of the channel you are referring to. I hope you visit some more neutral reviews and not ones hell bent on criticising everything coming from China.
@@andrewwhite986 I would still say they have. Certain agenda. Having a Chinese wife is irrelevant. The most critical channels tend to be made by Chinese.
Hi Richard. I would recommend you watch the “China Show “. The two presenters lived in China for years, still have family and friends there and have an intimate knowledge of the country and how it functions under the government. Specifically they have covered EV’s and this particular car. Have a look and consider what they have to say.
Almost get the feeling that Tesla will be purely relying on Chinese trade tariffs and their robotaxis strategy paying off in order to survive. Especially given their Q1 revenue and earnings were so significantly down.
UK power grid can not supply enough energy for 360k fast chargers that would be needed for 15min fast charge, its struggling already. This will never be be achieved with current energy policy using wind turbines & Solar if we had gone Nuclear Power, like France you might have stood a chance.
You’re judging future charging requirements using the current infrastructure, assuming no changes or improvements. National Grid know what needs to happen and this week announced £60bn investment in the Grid in the next 5 years. Times are changing !
@@SDK2006bTo accomplish what’s needed, we’ll need several extra power stations. These will burn gas. Nothing else has the required potential power output on demand. Wind and solar do not yield the required energy density.
@@SDK2006b If it carries on with current policies of using renewables, wind & solar it stands no chance and seeing that they have just signed a contract for yet even more Wind turbines and not Nuclear I see no change.
@@jontheodore8450 -why does renewables stand ‘no chance’? 🤔 There is energy storage coming too, so in the many times where there is excess renewables it will be stored for the times when the wind isn’t blowing and the sun not shining. We also have the 6 interconnectors, which provide import and export flows of energy from/into Europe. We are no longer a stand alone island, reliant on our own power generation.
Serious question. @ £34,000 for the max, are we looking at the value of current electric vehicle's crashing in the second hand market & are we going to see the existing ev leasing companies fail? As their ledger would be sold on, regardless of the original contract, can the new owners demand the full amount left owing on the vehicle from the leaseholders?
Check out the battery type: NMC. No thanks! Explains cheaper and faster charging and more range, but that's not the full story. Hint: thermal runaway. I'd go LiFP.
Spotted that in the video too. Looks like he is onboard. Relatively restrained for a Chris Bangle design, in a good way. This is not a bad looking car externally and the interior looks great. 🙂
I'm one who has never had any serious inkling to want an E.V. The problems I see many people put out about the lack of range and charging time etc are two of the main reasons I would never touch an E.V. with a barge pole. I do enjoy watching Lee MacMaster and his travails with his Porsche Taycan so I can hardly wait to hear what he might have to say about this car. I love the range on this car as well as the head up display. I have been moaning to my parrtner for years that all cxars should have H.U.D.'s fitted as standard purely as a safety issue so to see rhis car come with a H.U.D. as standard is great news. My second major grump about missing tech on cars is the lack of night vision. Again my sole reason for thinking this should be fitted t oall cars is because of safety concerns about driving on rads at night with poor or no street lighting. I'm not one who feels the need to have super fast 0 - 62 m.p.h. timings so I'm currently thinking that IF I were in the market for a new car AND I decided to go for an E.V. then I think I'd give the SU7 MAX a miss anf go for the SU7 Pro instead purely based on its slightly longer range. All of that said I can't wait to see what their SUV looks like and its spec is. If it comes close or bettering the SU7 then I'd ditch any plans for the SU7 and go for the SUV. We currently have a Tuscon on disability hence my preference for an SUV.
@@bentullett6068 In fairness I'm not an EVangelist as Lee Macmaster calls all those "you've got to buy a Tesla" types. I was just sounding off a bit IF I was ever to go down the EV car route which for the foreseeable future we are not.
Please don't compare local EV prices in China and convert to GBP, they will not land here for anywhere near that price, also China Govt massively discount Chinese EVs and they basically sell them at a loss in China. Fantastic for the local market but export will not see those prices due to different market constraints, heck the UK have 20% VAT to pay minimum. Look at BYD ATTO3 15k local market price, here 30k easy. Nothing against Chinese cars, providing they have the aftersales support. For me MG SAIC are leading in Uk and EU. 7yr warranty yes please.
@@Challengetheroad Sure, but use some salt and a handful, not a pinch until you've verified the claims. No one in their right minds believes quoted range figures.
Was typing a long comment on my Xiaomi phone, but it crashed, as it does regularly. For a phone, I don't care. If it was a car and the system hung or died, I seriously would care. Cheapness is not always good
You need to watch the videos of these cars in China, made with low quality parts, and very bad workmanship. Those that complain have the vehicles shut down remotely, turning the vehicle into a large brick. If you buy one of these or any other Ev form china you got to be completely mad. 21,000 Ev fires in China last year, a number of Ev dealerships have burnt to the ground. Theirs me thinking you was an intelligent bloke and had knowledge on these Ev’s.
@@Challengetheroad yes, that is a shame. But the quality of the vehicles is very poor. An it’s not just the parts used on the Evs the software is also very bad. Reports coming out of China of run away vehicles, lights failing on motorways in complete darkness, self locking people inside after a crash, weak suspension that breaks because of very poor metals and welding. There is also a report that 1,000’s of Chinese Ev are sitting in the port of Antwerp in Belgium as no one wants to buy them.
Those who purchased these in china are figuring out why mobile phone companies shouldn't build cars. Lets say this company builds cars as well as British Leyland did. Those who have decided to purchase one in the UK need to also buy stress relief and a mechanic on call.
515 miles range is correct, however it's based on Chinese CLTC tests. Knock 30% to get to WLTP range. So, about 360 miles. So, for about 100Kw battery, that's about right.
The Ozzy John Cadogan will rubbish this in an instance. The infrastructure isn't there on any real world kind of scale and never will. We can't generate that much electricity.. It looks like another plastic ipad on wheels, boring 😴
Nonsense! Clothes you wear and others items are made in Bangladesh, Vietnam, India etc are from child labour, and not just slave labour. China's lifting of more than 800 million people out of extreme poverty since the late 1970s has been the largest global reduction in inequality in modern history.
I think you nailed it when you said "it's becoming like a phone". Once you get over the stunning acceleration that every EV with a suitably big battery can have, and once they've solved the major hurdle of range when lugging around that big battery (sounds like they have, but let's see independent tests), I'm left with styling and interior. So they will be the things that determine a car purchase. Just like battery life and camera upgrades determine a new phone.
As an "old" I have no animosity to EVs and if this is the way forward, then that's progress, I'm just glad to have been around when a purchase by enthusiasts was based on cylinders, sounds, drive train layout, handling, emotion and individual character. Also, get off my lawn.
get off my lawn got me
Great video,
The Porsche Taycan doesn't "almost change gear at a certain speed" it actually does change gear, it's got a 2 speed gearbox on the rear motor.
Using the MG Cyberster for comparison, the direct (July 2023) yuan to GBP price is £26K; the UK price starts at £55K.
So a 2.1 multiplier would give a better guide price, and we're probably looking at £60K for the dual motor SU7.
The SU7 Max uses an NMC Li-ion battery, not a LiFP battery which Tesla and others are moving to because it's safer and has a longer life cycle.
NMC batteries are far more likely to suffer thermal runaway than LiFP ones.
But they're cheaper, and have higher charge density, hence better range and faster charging. Personally I'd rather have a battery that's not going to explode and kill people, even if only very rarely!
That is a good looking car. With its origins in mobile phone technology & speed of growth, might we see wireless charging in the near future? It will be interesting to see, if any insurance company's will insist on a form of acceleration limiter. The biggest attraction of autonomous driving is the positive impact on the freedom of movement it will have for the elderly. Knowing thay can travel anywhere at any time safely, has got to be a huge benefit for their mental health.
What’s the betting the uk Government put 100% import tariffs on them…
..and it will still be cheaper than the competition! It’s just whether the quoted figures are real and whether the quality / safety is where we need it to be.
Yes 👍
Even if it's not 100% import tariff, when the Chinese cars come to UK & EU, they double up the prices.
I guess that's where they make profits 😀
Thanks! I did see this on Fully Charged earlier in the week but typically the presenter was eulogising on how amazing it was. Far rather have your perspective. I'd like an EV (driven quite a few) but when the circumstances are right for me.
Richard getting a little giddy over this one.... 😂😂
🤣👍
Xiaomi su7 MAX ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Fast charging requires enormous power. No getting around the laws of physics.
Are there any public chargers capable of delivering the implied power?
How about if ten such vehicles turn up?
You’ll need a standard power station to meet demand.
Watch The China Show and see how dangerous these cars are.
Do you realise the nature of the channel you are referring to. I hope you visit some more neutral reviews and not ones hell bent on criticising everything coming from China.
@@fatphoca5009 Actually they don't criticise everything. They actually promote the good. They both have Chinese wives.
@@andrewwhite986 I would still say they have. Certain agenda. Having a Chinese wife is irrelevant. The most critical channels tend to be made by Chinese.
Don't believe everything you see. This car has had awful reviews in China, terrible build quality and poor handling.
Are you sure? I've driven it and its ride is far superior to Teslas. Build quality is up there with the best as well.
Hi Richard. I would recommend you watch the “China Show “. The two presenters lived in China for years, still have family and friends there and have an intimate knowledge of the country and how it functions under the government. Specifically they have covered EV’s and this particular car. Have a look and consider what they have to say.
Have an f10 alpina D5 all day before any junky EV.
Buying an electric vehicle is like falling for a scam.literally
That’s if you believe the marketing claims!
Almost get the feeling that Tesla will be purely relying on Chinese trade tariffs and their robotaxis strategy paying off in order to survive. Especially given their Q1 revenue and earnings were so significantly down.
UK power grid can not supply enough energy for 360k fast chargers that would be needed for 15min fast charge, its struggling already. This will never be be achieved with current energy policy using wind turbines & Solar if we had gone Nuclear Power, like France you might have stood a chance.
You’re judging future charging requirements using the current infrastructure, assuming no changes or improvements.
National Grid know what needs to happen and this week announced £60bn investment in the Grid in the next 5 years. Times are changing !
@@SDK2006bTo accomplish what’s needed, we’ll need several extra power stations. These will burn gas. Nothing else has the required potential power output on demand.
Wind and solar do not yield the required energy density.
@@SDK2006b If it carries on with current policies of using renewables, wind & solar it stands no chance and seeing that they have just signed a contract for yet even more Wind turbines and not Nuclear I see no change.
@@GT380man - “wind and solar do not yield the required energy density” - that sentence makes no sense!
@@jontheodore8450 -why does renewables stand ‘no chance’? 🤔
There is energy storage coming too, so in the many times where there is excess renewables it will be stored for the times when the wind isn’t blowing and the sun not shining.
We also have the 6 interconnectors, which provide import and export flows of energy from/into Europe.
We are no longer a stand alone island, reliant on our own power generation.
Serious question. @ £34,000 for the max, are we looking at the value of current electric vehicle's crashing in the second hand market & are we going to see the existing ev leasing companies fail? As their ledger would be sold on, regardless of the original contract, can the new owners demand the full amount left owing on the vehicle from the leaseholders?
Vehicles, no bloody apostrophe!
@@PhatSimey
As I wish to put the emphasis on electric lease vehicle's as opposed to ice vehicles then I am using the possessive version of vehicle
we all joked about EV's being mobile phones on wheels... who's laughing now? :-(
Bloody Hell 😮
Looks fan-bloody-tastic.
Love it. 👏👏👏👏
Check out the battery type: NMC. No thanks! Explains cheaper and faster charging and more range, but that's not the full story. Hint: thermal runaway. I'd go LiFP.
Is it designed by Chris Bangle?
Spotted that in the video too. Looks like he is onboard. Relatively restrained for a Chris Bangle design, in a good way. This is not a bad looking car externally and the interior looks great. 🙂
Imagine buying a car from a phone company.
Don't do it, Geoff will never speak to you again.
🤣
I'm one who has never had any serious inkling to want an E.V. The problems I see many people put out about the lack of range and charging time etc are two of the main reasons I would never touch an E.V. with a barge pole.
I do enjoy watching Lee MacMaster and his travails with his Porsche Taycan so I can hardly wait to hear what he might have to say about this car.
I love the range on this car as well as the head up display. I have been moaning to my parrtner for years that all cxars should have H.U.D.'s fitted as standard purely as a safety issue so to see rhis car come with a H.U.D. as standard is great news. My second major grump about missing tech on cars is the lack of night vision. Again my sole reason for thinking this should be fitted t oall cars is because of safety concerns about driving on rads at night with poor or no street lighting.
I'm not one who feels the need to have super fast 0 - 62 m.p.h. timings so I'm currently thinking that IF I were in the market for a new car AND I decided to go for an E.V. then I think I'd give the SU7 MAX a miss anf go for the SU7 Pro instead purely based on its slightly longer range.
All of that said I can't wait to see what their SUV looks like and its spec is. If it comes close or bettering the SU7 then I'd ditch any plans for the SU7 and go for the SUV. We currently have a Tuscon on disability hence my preference for an SUV.
Definitely give this car a miss. If you watch the China fact chasers and other channels this car is as bad in quality as BYD is.
@@bentullett6068 In fairness I'm not an EVangelist as Lee Macmaster calls all those "you've got to buy a Tesla" types. I was just sounding off a bit IF I was ever to go down the EV car route which for the foreseeable future we are not.
Really good point on night vision! I would really like that option
'Fast' charging assumes there is the infrastructure for delivering multi-MW of power concurrently to homes and recharging points. There isn't.
That’s what I said 👍
It's amazing what you can do with slave labour in China. Do you believe the Numbers??
So if you buy it and it gives you 250 miles, will you get your money back?
I would watch the likes of China Observer and China fact checkers prior to buying. Its not as great as it sounds.
Be interesting to see how they go against Tesla!
@@Challengetheroad sold well in China against Tesla but the owners quickly realised that these cars suffered tech problems and build quality issues.
Same as Tesla early on I suppose and EVs in general
The Xamoi SU7 has serious issues batteries self combusting. Build quality issues. Failing breaks, suspension breaking. Not very good quality.
Already big issues with safety and reliability with these cars…..
The Chinese range test std. (GB/T) is even more optimistic than the WLTP std, so in real world probably 400 and not >500 miles.
Please don't compare local EV prices in China and convert to GBP, they will not land here for anywhere near that price, also China Govt massively discount Chinese EVs and they basically sell them at a loss in China. Fantastic for the local market but export will not see those prices due to different market constraints, heck the UK have 20% VAT to pay minimum. Look at BYD ATTO3 15k local market price, here 30k easy. Nothing against Chinese cars, providing they have the aftersales support. For me MG SAIC are leading in Uk and EU. 7yr warranty yes please.
Just matching what’s been quoted by Car Magazines in the articles etc 👍
@@Challengetheroad Sure, but use some salt and a handful, not a pinch until you've verified the claims. No one in their right minds believes quoted range figures.
Was typing a long comment on my Xiaomi phone, but it crashed, as it does regularly. For a phone, I don't care. If it was a car and the system hung or died, I seriously would care. Cheapness is not always good
Phones are a dreadful investment and obsolete so quickly
You need to watch the videos of these cars in China, made with low quality parts, and very bad workmanship. Those that complain have the vehicles shut down remotely, turning the vehicle into a large brick.
If you buy one of these or any other Ev form china you got to be completely mad.
21,000 Ev fires in China last year, a number of Ev dealerships have burnt to the ground.
Theirs me thinking you was an intelligent bloke and had knowledge on these Ev’s.
Yeah is a shame 70% of Ev batterys come from China.
@@Challengetheroad yes, that is a shame. But the quality of the vehicles is very poor. An it’s not just the parts used on the Evs the software is also very bad. Reports coming out of China of run away vehicles, lights failing on motorways in complete darkness, self locking people inside after a crash, weak suspension that breaks because of very poor metals and welding.
There is also a report that 1,000’s of Chinese Ev are sitting in the port of Antwerp in Belgium as no one wants to buy them.
Those who purchased these in china are figuring out why mobile phone companies shouldn't build cars. Lets say this company builds cars as well as British Leyland did.
Those who have decided to purchase one in the UK need to also buy stress relief and a mechanic on call.
500km is 300miles funny enough - maybe something has been lost in translation
800km range
@@Challengetheroad all sounds too good to be true to me
515 miles range is correct, however it's based on Chinese CLTC tests. Knock 30% to get to WLTP range. So, about 360 miles.
So, for about 100Kw battery, that's about right.
Another Chinese fake car. Looks like a Porsche Taycan, but performs as well as a fake Rolex watch does. What price do you put on quality?
They are massive producers of e scooters. Their unreliable too. Wouldn't touch it for a few years see how many explosions we see
The Ozzy John Cadogan will rubbish this in an instance. The infrastructure isn't there on any real world kind of scale and never will. We can't generate that much electricity..
It looks like another plastic ipad on wheels, boring 😴
Who wants an ev made by slave labor with no quality control.
Nonsense!
Clothes you wear and others items are made in Bangladesh, Vietnam, India etc are from child labour, and not just slave labour.
China's lifting of more than 800 million people out of extreme poverty since the late 1970s has been the largest global reduction in inequality in modern history.