Great transactions. This was the best way out of the offer sheets. Good job bowman. Tyler, to all the haters saying you are flip flopping, we are allowed to change our opinions over time as situations change.
I can appreciate everyone trying to make the best of the situation and talking about how it would be risky to pay so much to Phil broberg. But he was a revelation in the playoffs and everyone was calling him a stud and some were saying he was the best defenseman in some games during the final series. He was offensive and defensive and he's ready to bust out after ripening for too long in the AHL. It wasn't " just 10 games" in the playoffs, he walked straight into a pressure cooker and got the job done with aplomb.
The Perry deal, mistake or not, had nothing to do with this decision on either player. This was 2 young, mostly unproven RFAs that got offer sheets at a combined 6.9 million. It was their right o sign those deals, but signing those deals are why they are gone, simple as that. How they were treated and developed, play time with the NHL club, etc. definitely are reasons too. The Oilers, like most teams were using their RFA status, their lack of arbitration and bargaining power, to grind them down to 2-2.5 million combined. The Blues and their offer sheets, spoiled the Oilers plans. Edmonton is in WIN NOW mode, this year, and even next year are their best chances to win, before Drai(1year left), McDavid (2 years left), and Bouchard (is 1 year left), all go up in salary. The Oilers got out of cap hell, gave themselves flexibility to make moves (like an upgrade at 2nd paring RH D). IF they kept Broberg,and Holloway for that matter too (just to a lesser extent) they were basically done. Between the inability to trade either Broberg or Holloway for a full year, Kane's unknown health/LTIR status, being over the cap, and our lack of assets to move (picks and prospects), the Oilers would of been stuck with this team, for better or worse. Could Broberg and/or Holloway actually of worked out this year? yes, but, odds are, they wouldn't have lived up to their new deals this season, and maybe, if not probably the next season as well, because, they are young, and they are still developing. The Oilers needed them at 2.5 million-ish max, once they signed these offer sheets, that ended that possibility. Perry did get overpaid with that little bonus, but that doesn't kick in until next year, his base salary can be buried in the minors if they need to, it had nothing to do with this. yes, this stinks, but the Oilers picked the lesser of 2 evils, the better gamble, simple as that.
@@gordparchewsky4323100% this was happening no matter what next season. This just pushed it fwd a year and maybe cost the team a better return. The 4m at the deadline can easily replace and improve the the team more than if they had matched.
Shrewd move for the Blues. STL had the space, playing time and patience to see if Broberg is the next big thing. Edmonton didn’t have that at this time. Just a victim of circumstance
Surprised the Oilers did not buy out Nurse which would have given the Oilers a true two year window to win AND the third year would be minimized impact with the cap increase. No way the Oilers win with Nurse in the lineup at trade deadline. All we can hope for is a nurse LTIR at the trade deadline.
The hosts can sugar coat it anyway they want. We gave away a top 4 dman for the next 8 years for nothing. I bet Ek starts to decline next year as age catches up with him and we have no one to replace him. Can't understand thinking we are better off. Laughable.
Perry and Skinner cost them dearly. No point of crying over spilled milk but we lost 4 of the top 5 skaters on the team. So now we have about a 4-5 year window with the main core and then we will can all start watching the Habs.
When you’re into the mental gymnastics of “Broberg and Holloway weren’t that good” and trying to sell people on Stecher and Emberson, you’re in deep trouble. Oilers won’t have that much cap space at the deadline, and Kane has a no-trade this year.
In order to sign Draisaitl and Bouchard and McD and goalie Skinner，ALL four of them, someone has to go！ Thank you StL for making that decision easy for us！
@@tamatb For sure. I get the reasoning for not matching, but it’s still a tough spot. Affordable young depth is crucial for sustained success. These guys are almost making it sound like the current squad is better off. Also, the cap situation long-term can get tricky if they end up with McDavid, Draisaitl, Bouchard, and Nurse making about 45% of the team’s money.
Lmfao i cant wait til we play yall this season. Blues have been the best team in the league at shutting down Mcdavid and Draistel. Mcdavid himself said he cant stand playing against parayko. See you guys in the playoffs!
This is better than we all thought. Holloway with arvirdson and skinner is a 3 rd line or fourth. Is not a huge loss. The new defensman can be a shutdown defensman. Nurse can be an offensive defenseman. We are good. If not trade deadline. Broberg is over paid at 4.5 million- we do not need that.
Broberg isn't overpaid. He's overpaid if the Oilers gave him that, because they're in cap hell. But the Blues have plenty of cap space, only a 2 year deal, and plently of playing time to see what they have in a 23 year old. Plus defensemen take much longer to develop, so this contract is for what he may do the next two years, not what he has done.
@@oilbaroon3104 the issue is the oil hit themselves into cap hell - as usual- and could not offer them enough to avoid an offer from St. Louis (and apparently a few other teams).
Please, Tyler . You know and can use better language. You don't need to use profanity. Take the high road and be an example to us young and old who would like to follow you !
So now emberson(?), whos never seen a playoff game, is all of a sudden better than broberg, whos best games in an oiler uniform was in the stanley cup finals? Tyler you are such a tool. I get the homerism but 'hes projected at 5.8'....just stop. You argue its smart to let broberg go because hes unproven but 180 to already thinking the other guy will be so good hes gonna get 6 million. Whatever you guys gotta do to not blame your own team for poor asset management.
Left Wing Center Right Wing Nuge McDavid Hyman Skinner Draisaitl Arvidsson Podkolzin Henrique Levoie Janmark Pederson Connor Brown Kane Left D Right D Ekholm Bouchard Nurse Emberson Kulak Stecher Josh Brown (or Phil Kemp) Goal Skinner Pickard Doing This Cost by line: 23,125,000 15,500,000 4,775,000 3,225,000 5,125,000 ---------- 51,750,000 9,900,000 10,200,000 4,325,000 1,000,000 or 775,000 (Brown is a million, Kemp 775K) ---------- 25,425,000 or 25,200,000 (Brown is more than Kemp) 3,600,000 (Goal) Dead Cap: 3,016,667 Carryover Bonus's: 3,550,000 Total with Josh Brown: 87,341,667 Total with Phil Kemp 87,116,667 Cap: 88,000,000 Difference (Josh Brown) 658,333 Difference (Phil Kemp) 883,333 This is the cap that would accrue IF this is the scenario. Using Perry and Ryan reduces this by 375,000 (Perry for Levoie) and 125,000 (Ryan for Pederson) That is a 500,000 reduction to the Accrue amount. If not keeping Holloway and Broberg was for Cap reasons the best scenario for money is remove the older more expensive 3rd and 4th liners and sub in MUCH cheaper alternatives. Even with that the BEST you can do if I see the math right is $883,333 for an amount to accrue. That's not horrible. More would be better but this gives us 13 forwards (though one of them is Kane) and 7 D plus both goalies. If you LTIR ANYONE you can't accrue cap. That's why they're trying to avoid it with Kane.
Great transactions. This was the best way out of the offer sheets. Good job bowman. Tyler, to all the haters saying you are flip flopping, we are allowed to change our opinions over time as situations change.
I can appreciate everyone trying to make the best of the situation and talking about how it would be risky to pay so much to Phil broberg. But he was a revelation in the playoffs and everyone was calling him a stud and some were saying he was the best defenseman in some games during the final series. He was offensive and defensive and he's ready to bust out after ripening for too long in the AHL. It wasn't " just 10 games" in the playoffs, he walked straight into a pressure cooker and got the job done with aplomb.
Never forget, Army has more Cups in the last 30 years than all of Canada combined. 😉
Their mistake was the Perry deal, simple as that
The Perry deal, mistake or not, had nothing to do with this decision on either player. This was 2 young, mostly unproven RFAs that got offer sheets at a combined 6.9 million. It was their right o sign those deals, but signing those deals are why they are gone, simple as that. How they were treated and developed, play time with the NHL club, etc. definitely are reasons too. The Oilers, like most teams were using their RFA status, their lack of arbitration and bargaining power, to grind them down to 2-2.5 million combined. The Blues and their offer sheets, spoiled the Oilers plans.
Edmonton is in WIN NOW mode, this year, and even next year are their best chances to win, before Drai(1year left), McDavid (2 years left), and Bouchard (is 1 year left), all go up in salary. The Oilers got out of cap hell, gave themselves flexibility to make moves (like an upgrade at 2nd paring RH D). IF they kept Broberg,and Holloway for that matter too (just to a lesser extent) they were basically done. Between the inability to trade either Broberg or Holloway for a full year, Kane's unknown health/LTIR status, being over the cap, and our lack of assets to move (picks and prospects), the Oilers would of been stuck with this team, for better or worse. Could Broberg and/or Holloway actually of worked out this year? yes, but, odds are, they wouldn't have lived up to their new deals this season, and maybe, if not probably the next season as well, because, they are young, and they are still developing. The Oilers needed them at 2.5 million-ish max, once they signed these offer sheets, that ended that possibility. Perry did get overpaid with that little bonus, but that doesn't kick in until next year, his base salary can be buried in the minors if they need to, it had nothing to do with this.
yes, this stinks, but the Oilers picked the lesser of 2 evils, the better gamble, simple as that.
Proberg ain't worth that
@@gordparchewsky4323❤❤
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@@gordparchewsky4323100% this was happening no matter what next season. This just pushed it fwd a year and maybe cost the team a better return. The 4m at the deadline can easily replace and improve the the team more than if they had matched.
Shrewd move for the Blues.
STL had the space, playing time and patience to see if Broberg is the next big thing.
Edmonton didn’t have that at this time.
Just a victim of circumstance
Shrewd? You guys know they gotta pay these two 7.5 million dollars now right? You wanna know some of the players you can get for that price tag?
@@frankytanky5076 It's two years and STL has the cap space. It's perfect for them.
Fiscer might not sign those College players are wildcards these days, eap Americana on Canadian teams.
Losing 2 first round picks for a 2nd and 2x 3rd round picks….terrible management by the oilers.
No. I think many of the analysts disagree. It's strategic.
Oilers defence set to fall apart in 2 years when Ekholm is 36 UFA
Surprised the Oilers did not buy out Nurse which would have given the Oilers a true two year window to win AND the third year would be minimized impact with the cap increase. No way the Oilers win with Nurse in the lineup at trade deadline. All we can hope for is a nurse LTIR at the trade deadline.
Its win now.. oilers can get a real proven D man at the trade deadline now
That Corey Perry signing really screwed the oilers. Losing Vinny, Ceci AND Broberg. Good luck being 1/2 competitive this year :(
You know absolutely nothing about hockey if you think the oilers are half competitive now🤦♂️
@@DiscreteNinjaGonna lose a lot of 7-6 games, and pray mcdavid doesnt get hurt
Campbell is on Detroit..LoL
I’d say Stan is still cooking
Agreed! You can tell something is up
The hosts can sugar coat it anyway they want. We gave away a top 4 dman for the next 8 years for nothing. I bet Ek starts to decline next year as age catches up with him and we have no one to replace him. Can't understand thinking we are better off. Laughable.
Emberson is already a good shut down D.
If he's willing to sign team friendly we're good.
Holloway interview.... whoa. He's not happy. I think he just realized he f#$%Ed up.
So many experts in the comments 😂
LOL at tyler thinking you could get Larson for a 2nd or 3rd round pick
If I have to hear the name Chad one more time lol
Trolls coming out of the wood. lmao
Perry and Skinner cost them dearly. No point of crying over spilled milk but we lost 4 of the top 5 skaters on the team. So now we have about a 4-5 year window with the main core and then we will can all start watching the Habs.
When you’re into the mental gymnastics of “Broberg and Holloway weren’t that good” and trying to sell people on Stecher and Emberson, you’re in deep trouble. Oilers won’t have that much cap space at the deadline, and Kane has a no-trade this year.
In order to sign Draisaitl and Bouchard and McD and goalie Skinner，ALL four of them, someone has to go！
Thank you StL for making that decision easy for us！
@@tamatb For sure. I get the reasoning for not matching, but it’s still a tough spot. Affordable young depth is crucial for sustained success. These guys are almost making it sound like the current squad is better off. Also, the cap situation long-term can get tricky if they end up with McDavid, Draisaitl, Bouchard, and Nurse making about 45% of the team’s money.
Lmfao i cant wait til we play yall this season. Blues have been the best team in the league at shutting down Mcdavid and Draistel. Mcdavid himself said he cant stand playing against parayko. See you guys in the playoffs!
Dang, that Chad is giving the rest of us Chad's a bad name
This is better than we all thought. Holloway with arvirdson and skinner is a 3 rd line or fourth. Is not a huge loss. The new defensman can be a shutdown defensman. Nurse can be an offensive defenseman.
We are good.
If not trade deadline. Broberg is over paid at 4.5 million- we do not need that.
Broberg isn't overpaid. He's overpaid if the Oilers gave him that, because they're in cap hell. But the Blues have plenty of cap space, only a 2 year deal, and plently of playing time to see what they have in a 23 year old. Plus defensemen take much longer to develop, so this contract is for what he may do the next two years, not what he has done.
Apparently mcdavid is now the youngest oilers forward. Yikes.
If no cup this year the future looks very very bleak.
Said every leafs fan since the beginning of time 😆
No worries！We've been through and survived the dark ages, going back again will get us another Gretzky/McD talent in 15 years！❤❤
Completely screwed the oil over. These two players were a big part of the oil future. (Both first round picks)
4mill for broberg 😂😂😂 nah
You can cheer for the Blues now buddy no one stopping you
@@DJ-cz3gx just stating the facts as I see them. Do you see this as a good thing?
@@oilbaroon3104 the issue is the oil hit themselves into cap hell - as usual- and could not offer them enough to avoid an offer from St. Louis (and apparently a few other teams).
@@oilbaroon3104 clearly several others do not.
Chad lol
Please, Tyler . You know and can use better language. You don't need to use profanity. Take the high road and be an example to us young and old who would like to follow you !
Ya Tyler! Unprofessional
stay mad.
This show was the prime example of toxic oilers fans getting in front of a camera and thinking they are cooler and better then you.
Oilers made the right choice
So now emberson(?), whos never seen a playoff game, is all of a sudden better than broberg, whos best games in an oiler uniform was in the stanley cup finals? Tyler you are such a tool. I get the homerism but 'hes projected at 5.8'....just stop. You argue its smart to let broberg go because hes unproven but 180 to already thinking the other guy will be so good hes gonna get 6 million. Whatever you guys gotta do to not blame your own team for poor asset management.
Cya! You are now the enemy!
Clown as GM, Oilers are a circus 🤡 🎪
Left Wing Center Right Wing
Nuge McDavid Hyman
Skinner Draisaitl Arvidsson
Podkolzin Henrique Levoie
Janmark Pederson Connor Brown
Kane
Left D Right D
Ekholm Bouchard
Nurse Emberson
Kulak Stecher
Josh Brown (or Phil Kemp)
Goal
Skinner
Pickard
Doing This Cost by line:
23,125,000
15,500,000
4,775,000
3,225,000
5,125,000
----------
51,750,000
9,900,000
10,200,000
4,325,000
1,000,000 or 775,000 (Brown is a million, Kemp 775K)
----------
25,425,000 or 25,200,000 (Brown is more than Kemp)
3,600,000 (Goal)
Dead Cap:
3,016,667
Carryover Bonus's:
3,550,000
Total with Josh Brown: 87,341,667
Total with Phil Kemp 87,116,667
Cap: 88,000,000
Difference (Josh Brown) 658,333
Difference (Phil Kemp) 883,333
This is the cap that would accrue IF this is the scenario.
Using Perry and Ryan reduces this by 375,000 (Perry for Levoie) and 125,000 (Ryan for Pederson)
That is a 500,000 reduction to the Accrue amount.
If not keeping Holloway and Broberg was for Cap reasons the best scenario for money is remove the older more expensive 3rd and 4th liners and sub in MUCH cheaper alternatives. Even with that the BEST you can do if I see the math right is $883,333 for an amount to accrue. That's not horrible. More would be better but this gives us 13 forwards (though one of them is Kane) and 7 D plus both goalies. If you LTIR ANYONE you can't accrue cap. That's why they're trying to avoid it with Kane.
Losing 2 first round picks for a 2nd and 2x 3rd round picks….terrible management by the oilers.