The Lithium Battery Fire Problem is GETTING SILLY. Plus Runaway EVs...
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
- In this video we're talking about the rise in lithium battery fires across the world, and also discussing runaway EVs... cars bashing into shopping centres and racing across car parks hitting things…
is Motability playing a part?
Is giving high power, instant torque, automatic electric cars to people with disabilities a bad idea?
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I'm disabled and at a show at the NEC. The Mobility program was there they said if you claim for a car there only giving out electric cars now. They are pushing EV's 100% trying everything to not even mention other fuel options. All they want to shift is eclectic.
Just buy your own instead then , get a cheap petrol
So there not thinking of your needs. Seems pointless offering someone something that not suitable for you? Tell them to stick it.
@ I have declined the service.
@@BobCarolgees-p8fIf 8 had to buy a car, it would be old, I would have to pay my own tax, insurance, breakdown, MOT tyres and maintenance. I'm stuck on benefits because I am unable to work and this would mean I would have to choose between heating or eating.
Presumably the additional size of vehicle as well as any additional support needs all feed into the overall battery requirements and vehicle size, tipping the scales heavily against EV’s. This isn’t even mentioning the obvious scenarios e.g. range anxiety for people that already have enough to deal with, potential lack of accessibility at charging networks or worst case scenario, exiting from an EV without power. It seems an ill thought out strategy.
What I find concerning is the risk to ferries and subterranean car parking
Norway banned EVs from ferries I believe.
Don't forget tunnels
Only a matter of time before the Channel Tunnel is on the front pages of all the papers, for all the wrong reasons.
I live in an appartment building and there´s alredy 2 EV´s in the underground garage, the building is from 1973 and does not have sprinklers or any fire prevention method, i´m getting scared....
Channel tunnel, not if but when and how many dead… just a matter of time.
I used to fly radio controlled planes that were powered by lithium batteries. One day I noticed a plane losing power and smoke coming from the battery compartment as it flew overhead. Next it burst into flames and plummeted to the ground (I was in an open field). The fire quickly consumed the plane and no amount of stamping on the fire would put the flames out. Had to get an extinguisher from the car but even then, while it put out the fire on the planes fuselage, the battery fire just wouldn’t go out. I stood there for 30 minutes until the battery finally consumed itself. Now that was a small battery about the size of the palm of my hand. So there is no way I’d get a car run by hundreds of these batteries. My two pence worth.
One of our members lost his brand new ICE car . While he was helping some one at the other end of the field, he had left a Lipo charging in his car ( yes i know ) by the time they got to it you couldn`t get near . Bye bye Beamer .
Cars don't have LiPo batteries
Wow. That was a rare event. Give up the mobility scooters, never fly, throw away your phone. Keep safe 😂😂😂😂
@@gunnarlandin3258 RC cars often do have lipos!
Thanks for sharing your experience
It's early days.
Starmer said It's going to get worse.
It's the only thing he's said so far that I believe.
I think Starmer should buy many e-scooters and store them in and around No 10.
I'm sure they are safe, as clearly he considers them safe for the rest of us.
It's not as early as people like this oil company shill would have you believe.
Starmer said its going to get worse! 😂
Starmer's on his way out, the lying, incompetent, treasonous bastard!
@@G-ra-ha-mBig noticed at railway stations saying no storage of e-scooters and you can't take them on a train!
All these battery fires are going to increase carbon emissions. Quite the opposite of the net zero nuts intentions.
Very minimal! Water pollution probably worse as water used picks up chemicals and goes into water courses
Not to mention the poisonous chemicals going into the water system when they try putting one out
It’s ok to cause an environmental disaster when you’re ‘saving the planet’, apparently.
🤡🌎
Wow, you guys have really old information. New battery chemistries are very different and much more advanced.
@@DaveBjornRapp But the new batteries are not in the majority of Evs
As EVs age I think we'll see much more pollution.
They are "saving the planet" by taking a dunk on it 💩
Actually, look it up - it's quite the opposite. You'll be surprised.
Pollution is not their concern, never has been. It's about control.
It’s what will happen to them at end of life. What scrapyard is going to want these battery cars that have potential to explode?
As I have been saying for years: the average EV is 3-4 years old, wait until the EV fleet catches up with ICEV's 12 years average to draw conclusions about which one is most prone to spontaneous combustion.
Most of the early EV generations were aimed at wealthy people buying relatively luxurious EVs to boast about how green they were. They could afford buying into what were essentially research prototypes and have every scratch professionally looked at. Modern more budget-minded EVs have had all of the research safety margins optimized out of them to reduce costs and budget buyers are far less likely to spend their time and money getting every scratch inspected unless there is a "check engine" light.
I expect EV fire stats to get substantially worse in the future at least until fully solid-state batteries become standard, assuming full-SSBs deliver on intrinsic safety hype.
If you think electric scooter fires are dangerous, wait until you see what's happening at Livat Centre in Hammersmith. Cab rental and sales company Ottocar has filled an entire underground floor with unsold electric cars from 2020-2023. One incident there could be a disaster for the whole area!
and then again it's London so no real loss
And nothing of any real importance was lost 😅
About 10x lower chance then if they filled it with ICE cars.
@@michalfaraday8135 get back in your cage.
Oh Mon Dieu !
Went to dinner on Saturday night in Sydney Australia and parked next to a brand new electric Mercedes in a busy shopping strip. An hour later the whole restaurant came out onto the street to watch the Mercedes( no-one inside) exploding into flames from the engine. Just managed to move our car in time. Toxic fumes for 24 hours later. Crazy days!
That's what they'll call a luxury fire.
It had an engine?
Glad you moved your real car in time .👍👍👍👍
Mercedes battery made in china.
In Spain electric scooters are banned from public transport, because they kept catching fire.
same in britain can't take them on an public vehicle
Soon the public transport will also be catching on fire
So they are pushing electric transportation and banning them at the same time. Leave it to the EU to come up with policy that is 100% contradictory. Hilarious!!
Same here in Ireland
@@frogmastiff8198 Apparently you can take ebikes on trains tho.
I highly recommend MGUY Australia as a supplement for this channel.
Moss Landing update: EPA said the air was safe so people could return to their homes. That's when the skin irritation and breathing issues started. A lawsuit has been filed by several residents.
Best part about that is PG&E are part of the lawsuit and Erin Brockovich is involved.
Looking forward to the sequel... shame Albert Finney has passed away, his chemistry with Julia Roberts was phenomenal
@Galerak1 yeah, I heard about Erin. Hope they win, it's only right.
@@skylershank9309 PG&E will probably see her name on the prosecution documents, hold their hands up and say "Tell us how much, we'll contact the bank immediately" 🤣
Lipo batteries burn creating 100mg of hydrofluoric acid per kg of battery.
Another good channel is Stached training, I think that's what it's called.
I'm (not a little old lady) a motability customer. Luckily I know a bit about cars and didn't get pushed into a full electric car. I have used hybrid for around 15 years and the reason for this is that I can't risk having to turn the heater off or can I sit in a freezing cold car whilst it charges. I don't want the stress of range anxiety, I have enough to worry about. I know from friends that initially they believed it was a cheap way to run a car and they got all electric vehicles. Their reality is the full charge does not give them the range of their diesel/petrol, so actually it costs as much as they did... Except now, they end up forced to buy coffees and lunch to stay warm whilst they charge. None of the charging stations are manned, so just now I can toot my horn for assistance at the pump. I simply won't manage at a plug in station. I hope motability do a U-turn because until I got my motability I felt trapped. I don't want to go back to that feeling ever
100% agree, I'm 72 and not disabled (yet) and I have no intention of subjecting myself to any of the problems you've mentioned. For what it's worth I sincerely hope you retain your Motability allowance. PS I find the term 'little old lady' rather irritating as not all little ladies are old and not all old ladies are little !
@@ryszardlorenc7047 Thank you! I am a lady and I am little (but not tiny!).
I will not leave any rechargeable items plugged in overnight or when out during the day. I had small battery start overheating last year, luckily I had time to grab it and throw it outside onto the patio. It flared up and burnt for a few minutes, leaving a scorch mark on the floor. It happened very quickly and I was lucky a) being there to see it, and b) had time to throw it outside. Lesson learned!
Motability is definitely pushing people into EVs, if they go 100% EVs I will leave the scheme, as will many others. They will also lose a hell of a lot of money due to the resell values dropping so low, they already are.
StachD did a great video explaining the number of EV fires compared to ICE fires. The most often used numbers are completely fake and the real numbers are almost impossible to calculate due to all the variables and lack of consistent reporting.
Keep up the good work Geoff and enjoy the family travels. A great experience for the little Geoffs;
A friend’s mother in law came from a wealthy family and she was a fountain of knowledge. When she was 18 her family sent her on a round the World cruise to ‘help her education’, apparently it was a very common thing for the upper classes to do. Does that make you really posh? 😂
A Lithium battery fire is almost impossible to extinguish because it's a chemical reaction. The only thing you can do is attempt to contain the reaction until it runs its course it also creates such a high temp it will melt sand, throw water on it, and all you do is cause supper heated steam mixed with toxic gas if you try using nitrogen it does not work because the chemical reaction does not need oxygen to burn
I think it's hot enough to produce hh0 br0wns gas??
Every fire is a chemical reaction. And of course you can extinguish it. The risk is you also need to cool it so that it doesn' t catch on fire again. Which can be done through drilling through the pack and pushing water inside.
The main reason spraying water on a lithium battery fire doesn't work particularly well is because lithium batteries are normally inside a protective housing and water is merely splashing on the housing, not the actual cells. It takes less than 50gal of water to put out a 65kWh battery fire when you inject water directly inside the battery pack to directly quench the thermal runaway and a trickle to keep discharge heat under control beyond that. Only problem is this requires special equipment (thermal camera) to identify the hot spot so the battery-piercing water injector can be placed at the most effective location.
There are specialist extinguishers for Lithium.
@@lightwoven5326Yes, they are marketed, but all those I have seen do not have accreditation by appropriate test laboratories, in any case an extinguisher has a much too short period of operation to be effective on Lithium. Most hand held extinguishers are only good for small fires such as a waste paper basket or similar.
A young married couple with young on the street where I live lost everything after after their house burned down from a rechargeable vacuum cleaner
My shark rechargeable battery unit auto switches off once the battery is recharged. Supposedly 😮
Vacuum cleaners should be banned. Nothing wrong with an old broom.
I've been actively trying to reduce the amount of batteries in our house. Turns out it's quite difficult, try finding a corded electric screwdriver or electric duster for example. I tried to give away the rechargeable screwdriver I had, charities wouldnt take it and the blokes at the tip weren't allowed to put it out on sale due to batteries.
@ The battery ones are just landfill, the ones that plug into the mains last for decades.
I have a friend who weighed up the pros and cons of having solar panels installed, and decided to go ahead. If the system generates more juice than he needs, it sells it back to the grid. But the centre of the system, on the ground floor in the centre of the house is the control module and what he calls the "house battery". That was the bit that worried me.
Most batteries for storing energy from solar panels are mounted OUTSIDE the house, not the centre.
He's going to be sorely dissapointed. Iived with solar power.
Good luck getting rid of that sht when you find out it doesn't work 2/3rds of the time.
There stored outside the house, solar installations don't need them, just an added extra some customers want to be installed.
@kenik2023 what was the average of kWh you generated and what system you have installed?
Yeah, you can sell it back onto the grid until they outlaw this practice, because it does nothing but create grid instability.
There was huge one in Gdansk, Poland where e-bikes were stored. Complete historic warehouse burnt down
Storing EV batteries inside flats and appartments and common areas of residential buildings needs to be banned. Charge them outside.
People should be restricted to eating cold salads too. There's always a fire risk from over heated oil when cooking.
Ban it!
My other half uses public transport a bit (buses) i have bought her one of those break glass /belt cutting multi tools, they are about to change buses to electric in york, i told her to sit near the fire exit and that she has about 8 seconds to break the glass and get out
It would be interesting to know the negative effect on the environment from all EV fires to date, compared to the actual benefits to the environment to date from the reduction in vehicle emissions from all the EVs that have replaced ICE vehicles. Even without taking into consideration the footprint of making electric vehicles, I bet the benefits have already been outweighed by the negative impact of EV related fires. If you take into consideration the production of electric vehicles, then I've no doubt all this push to EV cars has added to pollution and global warming / climate change. We would have been better off not bothering in the first place 🙄
Climate change is perfectly normal, science proves this with ice core samples. We know exactly what CO2 does but we know the toxic chemicals in batteries are much more harmful to life.
In California where that energy storage facility went up there have been many people reporting respiratory issues and stinging eyes.
@ That's the 4th fire there IIRC.
SHUSH! yer not supposed to disseminate that sort of information, you could be prosecuted for sedition.
I've been flying electric RC helicopters for over 20 years, and have many LiPo batteries. They are charged with fairly sophisticated hobby chargers, which closely monitor voltage and current. The helicopters themselves have speed controllers that automatically reduce power if the battery approaches a set point of discharge. In all those 20 years, none of my LiPos have caught fire or exploded, apart from one time when I crashed a helicopters. I can only assume that e-scooters have poor quality chargers, and little by way of battery management systems. Incidentally, recent studies show that EV's are actually about 2.5x more likely to catch fire than I.C.E. vehicles.
Yes too many Chinese cheap 21700 cells in a lot of e-scooters even some branded ones not sealed properly can get wet and blow bms etc
@@ItsERROLL
Ccwesterners cannot afford premium thus the continuation of "cheap Chinese batteries". We paid the Chinese premium for their batteries and haven't got any issue.
@ I have no idea what you are saying I have Panasonic batteries made in china and all good it’s cheap cells non branded that seem to be the issue and either cheap bms or in a place where it gets wet and causes issues
@@FrankiePo89
RC lipos are known to need care, many have failed. But do a cell count, and compare with even an escooter.
Which part of don't buy Chinese and don't charge indoors do these idiots not understand, it's not difficult.
which part of this whole narrative is bollox dont you understand, dont buy electric vehicles they are not fit for purpose
Not just Chinese, or cheap models, use your eyes - Porsches, Audis, Mercs, GM, Peugeot EV's all have had thermal runaway incidents all over the world, and not while charging - just parked. Any battery can be faulty from manufacture and there are so many separate lithium batteries in every large battery that the incidents will keep happening. Many people in flats or terraced houses have no alternative to charging indoors - not everyone has a garden or separate garage.
You are not supposed to charge them unattended. Who has hours to sit and watch a scooter charge?
Yes but they all use Chinese battery systems @@stephenwood9687
I work for Motability insurance and the about of elderly customers, pressing the accelerator instead of the brake and causing chaos is ridiculous.
Please, please, please encourage motability to leave us with a choice. The whole EV thing isn't going to work for me
Can you email me? Anonymously of course
The thumbnail photo of the Volvo mounting the Mini!! This happened local to me- it was apparently, an elderly woman who hit the throttle instead of the brake.
What a surprise.
The common one is people with little experience of driving automatics who put their left foot on the brake and right foot on the accelerator. They wonder why they're not pulling away and suddenly let go of the brake whilst keeping the accelerator slightly depressed. Then the car shoots forward..
@@GeoffBuysCars this is the same mentality as nuke.. they let 1 bomb off. then thousands more, then built power stations..you would think, that the idea, besides letting 1 off, would tell you, this is a bad idea. but no.. now we have thousands of exploding batt,s.. NET ZERO IS BS, NEVER HAPPEN.. SODIUM REACTORS WERE BANNED IN 1954, IN FAVOUR.....OF NUKE POWER.. GO FIGURE.. SODIUM, IS SAFE, SELF REGULATING, & FREE.. i want off this fkt up mental planet... ausie..
Big bike/scooter battery fire in Poland apparently.
I am the manager of a store in Perth Australia and have banned e bikes and scooters from being brought into the store. Some of the owners build their own battery packs and all i can say is the works not great.
A good point made; 'Unexpected' acceleration of EVs may well be down to some people simple getting the peddles confused. 0-100% throttle is so rapid the stop reaction time is too short.
Yup the average motorist is not capable of handling acceleration of 0-60 mph in 3.5 seconds 🫣
There's nothing unexpected about it. If you're getting the pedals mixed up you shouldn't be on the road.
@@Sammy-lw1ns 🤣🤣🤣
Exactly.
re: "A good point made; 'Unexpected' acceleration of EVs may well be down to some people simple getting the peddles confused." okay but what happens when you encounter multiple scenarios where that's NOT the case...? then what...? i mean does one continue forever to show they're not very smart and keep MISDIAGNOSING the problem over and over, such that the problem just perpetuates to the end of time...?
hint: with the Blackhawk-CRJ mid-air crash over the Potomac heading into Reagan Airport that just occurred, you can bet the NTSB and the FAA (like they've been forced to do historically) are going to AVOID "misdiagnosing" the event and instead dig down to ROOT CAUSE, so the problem does not continue to REPEAT itself like we see happening with Teslas where after 80 crashes we just keep dismissing it and falling back on our dysfunctional behavior of "blaming the victims"...
also ref: the 2019 grounding of the Boeing 737 Max due to the crashes of Ethiopian Air 302 and Lion Air 610 involving the "machine induced chaos" of MCAS.
Charging a hot tub battery in a bedroom and an e scooter battery under the stairs.Enough said.
IQ is obviously lacking 😮😮😮😮
I think I saw 5 battery farms for Devon and I wonder if their local fire service has the capacity to put out any fires at such establishments and what the safety issue are for those living close by .
This technology has been deployed before adquate means of dealing with the fires has been developed. Sheer madness
Also a huge one being built in Bridgwater, Somerset.
What's getting silly is those people lying throught their teeth about battery fires getting silly. It's totally against all the evidence.
Long time KL resident (but sadly currently in UK) so many great things to see/do .. Rain forest at FRIM, Elephant sanctuary at Kuala Gandar, boat trip out to Crab Island (Kuala Ketam), Batu Caves, KL Tower and the very many great “desert islands” off the east coast. Oh and the Roti Canai or Nasi Lemak to eat for breakfast. There are night trains to Thailand and singapore which are a great experience too.
One of the EV's on a ship with 4000 other high end vehicles ignited and they all caught on fire and sank the ship
Felicity Ace February 10, 2022. it now sits leaching out its toxic brew beneath 3,000 meters of water off the coast of the Azores. RIP TASTY SALT WATER FISHIES.
It shows how sociopathic politicians are that they would rather peoples' lives were endangered than admit they are wrong about all these EV vehicles.
Lasharna and Tyrone … great British names !
Mummy was a mud shark!
After what happened at Luton airport last year I couldht believe they werent banned from multi storey car parks overnight, it burnt the entire building down , my son in law is a fire fighter, he has told me that they have been called to a local EV plant several times with battery fires and and asked to keep it on the QT, they also have no prescribed method of dealing with EV fires, just imagine half a dozen evs strategically parked at Wembley, Glastonbury, Wimbledon any event anywhere in the world where cars are parked in large numbers, they are a terrorists dream weapon.
Lots of multi's have banned them (certainly in Brighton) and under croft car parks no longer allow them, so people who brought a house with a space included can't park there anymore.
The fire in Luton was a diesel Range Rover, the reg. no. was public information and I looked it up myself on the DVLC website.
@@JohnSmith-x3y8h Yes, it was. However, the vehicles surrounding it were electric and they were the reason it collapsed.
@sheldonsussex Blatant lie.
You realise the investigation report is publicly available online right?
@@JohnSmith-x3y8h I watched a you tuber, so I'm sorry if I got it wrong, but I'm sure he read the report and the ferocity of the fire was due to the surrounding vehicles catching alight, some of which were EV.
Geoff, 100% correct on Motability pushing EV. My neighbour was pushed into one despite not being able to charge at home. Electric or nothing was his Hobsons choice.
This problem is only going to get worse for the next 10yrs or so.
I think you'll find that Moss landing place has had 4 fires since it's been there.
Having actually vapourized a watch containing a lithium battery many years ago - way before they started putting them into vehicles etc... I've often talked about how explosive lithium can be.
Remember when there were cheap Internet bought chargers that were setting fire to houses a few years ago. Is it fundamentally the batteries that are a danger, or the fact that they are produced cheaply with little care for the end user, because society is too concerned about consuming vast amounts of new tech, especially with the electric scooters from the far east.
Must be those Chinese batteries. Oh hang on most EV batteries are made in China. Lithium batteries are inherently unstable no ifs no buts they just are.
Q: Is it fundamentally the batteries that are a danger, or the fact that they are produced cheaply with little care for the end user(?) A: yes, in this case BOTH conditions are true. okay next question please.
My neighbour has a Motability EV and put it through the front window of a Spar shop at a petrol station because of exactly what you described, as YT deletes links you can look up "Chaos and 'huge bang' as car smashes into Lostock Hall Spar after driver 'got foot stuck on accelerator", the part about his foot getting stuck was told to Lancs Live by a member of staff but he told me he barely touched the accelerator and it launched itself, he'd had it about a fortnight.
I don't have a home battery, but if I did it would be a LiFePO4 (lithium ion phosphate battery) they are chemically more stable and highly resistant to thermal runaway. Much lower fire risk, even if damaged or overcharged. Phosphate-based chemistry does not release oxygen when overheating. Fires, if they occur, are much less severe and easier to manage. Although less energy dense they are also used in some cars.
re: "Phosphate-based chemistry does not release oxygen when overheating." yes but they DO release something even worse in the form of copious amounts of flammable HYDROGEN H2, and it's considerably more than that released by NMC chemistry (aw crap) . that's right, those working in the Automotive Industry will quickly recognize how this hazard of explosive gas PARALLELS what traditional Lead Acid Batteries have basically released for 225 years (ref: the Battery was invented in the year 1800 by Volta).
@@phillyphil1513 The actual quantity would seem to be important here as "copious" is not how I would describe that emanating from a normal car battery - whereas "parallels" seems to indicate that you think it is. Normal car batteries are not generally dangerous in this regard because the emission of H2 is very low during normal operation and none when switched off.
China is swopping lithium scooter and bike batteries back to lead acid batteries, for safety reasons.
tesco near me at the end of the car park, EV went over some bollars, bent some, removed some from the ground, over a road and into a tree on the other side of the road probably 50-60m away from initial impact... seems very very easy to cause a serious accident if you put your foot on the wrong pedal, and there's a lot of old people driving these brand new EVs too
Just imagine how many e-bikes and e-scooters are charging at any one time in the exponentially growing number of high-density apartment developments that are springing up everywhere.
I was watching some local kids playing with RC cars. I went over to talk to the dad and noticed that two of the batteries were very swollen and busting out of the plastic case. When I tried to warn him and his kids, he got all up in my face and threatened me. I expect that family may be in some trouble soon. I hope nothing happens, but why play with explosives with little kids around.
I'm wondering how long it will be until the homeowner's insurance companies say they will not cover your home for fire If you have an EV parked in your garage? Heck, they may even say any type of rechargeable battery in your home.
foot placement error. is the most probable reason for runaway electric cars. always has been a problem with automatic vehicles. But I did once have an Optare bus decide to take off on its own. The bus had an electronic link between the pedal and the engine. but at least in that case i could turn the engine off.
I think foot placement is probably the cause of many runways.
I once suffered a diesel VW Passat throttle sticking open; I went into a blind panic and ended up deliberately crashing it into an (empty) bus shelter and some bushes. Taking the key out of the ignition should have been obvious, but logic can go right out the window when panic kicks in.
re: "foot placement error. is the most probable reason for runaway electric cars." sure "foot placement error" USED to be the most probable reason (ref: Audi 5000 circa 1986) but what happens when you fast-forward 40 years into the future, and encounter a scenario where this is NOT the case and instead a REAL DEFECT exists...?
yeah, for what you're dealing with now obviously INVOLVES A WHOLE DIFFERENT TYPE OF POWERTRAIN so this is where the psychology of CONFIRMATION BIAS and the scam of "plausible deniability" means your UNWILLINGNESS TO BELIEVE and your UNWILLINGNESS TO TAKE ACTION leaves unsuspecting consumers in a condition where they keep REPEATEDLY losing their lives over and over.
re: "But I did once have an Optare bus decide to take off on its own. The bus had an electronic link between the pedal and the engine."
@ Ah but panic is normal in this instance. with a car you have to turn the key back two clicks but not three or you loose steering.
it was easy in a bus I just hit the engine kill switch.
@ sorry but no. I brought up two possible ways this problem can happen. but F.P.E. being far the most common.
"All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."
Benito Mussolini
Yes the diametric opposite of what we are living under now, the state representing the people with the corporation beholden to that state, now we have a very weak government beholden to NGOs and multinational oligopolies/mega corps.
I did an EV charger course with NICEIC last year and they were talking about when people have battery banks inside their homes, fed from solar panels and how quick the EV's would charge from them and how great it will be that the grid could help itself to the battery bank when it needs extra power . . . Yeah, that's not worrying at all
Motorbility get massive discounts and government incentives to have electric vehicles. They basically end up with all the unsold models.
Plus you add that to the issue of elderly people getting confused with having two peddles and pressing the accelerator thinking its is the brake - and keep pressing it harder. But now we are basically giving them 350+hp 2.5 tonne vehicle instead of a basic 100hp small car or mini SUV.
I could possibly qualify for Motability, but the fact that they'd try to make me get an EV despite one being completely unsuitable means I'm giving them a wide berth. I'd rather fund my own real car with a real engine.
11:41 The statistic on EV battery fires are under reported by a significant number. StacheD Training on UA-cam highlighted it ''Electric Vehicle Fires: 25 Out of 100,000 Stat Doesn’t Add Up''
Exactly
Undereported? Maybe... just maybe the stat is correct.
Though I'd expect you'd hate to admit it.
@@Sammy-lw1ns If you watch that piece by StacheD you will find that the NTSB in the US has actually admitted the stats are in fact incorrect.
@@Sammy-lw1ns re: "Though I'd expect you'd hate to admit it." okay by that same token of course the REVERSE of this behavior also holds true (albeit with the Tesla fanboys clearly having demonstrated the GREATER of the 2 motivations to live in fantasy and be delusional). because: the psychology Cognitive Dissonance is a "helluva drug..." also ref: "The greatest DERANGEMENT of the mind is to believe in something because one WISHES it to be so..." - Louis Pasteur (1822-1895)
Had another video come up on my Facebook feed 2 days ago of a runaway ev in china - definitely got to it's top speed before the impact - terrifying, not just for the driver/occupants, but all the people it came across before "stopping"!
Correct im a motability user and I had so many issues trying to get an ice car, I don't have a drive so can't have an ev, one vauxhall dealer made me think they had just stopped offering the corsa petrol and told me I'd have to have the ev version, but because I couldn't and where I live we don't even have public charging I didn't but I kept seeing the corsa on the website so I called few vauxhall ones most laughed and said of course u can have the ice corsa a few said no u have to have the ev. I also then had issues trying to take delivery of my ice car kept getting canceled and pushed bk and kept being told i can wait or choose something in stock from any dealer, often the cars they offer in stock is a plug in car
In california many houses had solar and powerwalls.
All home batterys should be burried in a purpose made enclosure, away from the house , but close enough to the inverter. So fires can roll over the top.
@@aperitifsyes make a concrete bath tub /basement structure,
Totally agree!
@ There's no reason to use lithium in home batteries, at all..
Size and weight is simply not an issue.
I would never buy an EV , i would most certainly never buy a Chinese one 🤣🤣🤣
I was once charging a single 'AA' Li-ion battery. It exploded. Destroyed the charger and all that was left of the battery was the casing ... carbon 'dust' all over my kitchen.
It is disturbing that Le Shuttle does not have an emergency plan for a runaway lithium fire on board their trains, other than for normal ICE.
Look at the different chemistries, NCA, NCM have issues, LFP and LTO do not. Not all lithium batteries are the same. Then consider the scooter is smashed around then charged…. There are levels of protection (usually 3) and as soon as you bypass these, you have danger. Nowadays add this to how we choose to buy products, we buy cheap…. So you get a product without all safety levels and fake safety certificates thrown together in a factory that pops up in guangdong.
It's not helped by escooters being a very grey area for selling (only for use on private property). It means, although there are safety regulations that Trading Standards can enforce, the nature of the market reduces need for importers to meet the defined standards because buyers are already skirting around the law as they intend to use them on public footpaths on the qt.
Dont use facts these guys think the earth is flat and the sun goes round the earth.
Motability don't force you into an ev however they have with dealers made the down payment for a suv or equivalent (ice car) eye watering. 3 years ago i got a bmw x1 with down payment of 1850 now for something similar you are looking at 5k hence the up take in ev leases.
I had to look for myself.
On the website, in every down payment range, there are more ICE cars available than BEVs.
Why is that do you think?
Pushing ICE comes to mind! 🤯
They have done nothing in stopping thermal runaway, till that happens all EV's should be taken off the road as they are clearly dangerous.
Yet they go after e-bikes...low hanging fruit.
re: "They have done nothing in stopping thermal runaway". unfortunately they can't because it's UNSTOPPABLE (que Australian Sia's hit song from the year 2016).
As a recovery driver we were told if the vehicle catches fire while in transit to park and abandon the recovery lorry. The electric vehicles where labled with danger of electric shock but we still had to touch them to load them.
Why is the HSE so Silent on these Batteries ????
Because they are a government organisation so are not permitted to go against the narrative
Went on a train in the UK last week.
a) you're not allowed to take electric scooters on them due to fire hazards (speaks volumes about perceived fire risk).
b) logged on to the train WiFi and couldn't get on X - no problem on my own WiFi, so at least one train company is blocking X, possibly due to Government pressure.
If all the EVangelists who think EVs are somehow less fire prone than a petrol or diesel car, ask yourself this; Would you move into a flat on the top floor of a building if you knew the basement garage was full of EVs and electric scooters? Because I wouldn't.
Fucked if I would either 😂
Thanks, Geoff. We need people whose views are heard by large numbers of people to keep talking about this, spreading awareness and trying to make it difficult for those in power to inflict these monstrosities upon us. In the long term we may not win, but we can at least go down fighting.
regarding that sstory, my guess is that they have a hot-tub of some desription in an outsside area, and have been powering the heater element with the large battery, which they had been taking indoors to charge, with the horrendous result you described. Sadly, these stories will only get more common.
I know 2 people whose electric toothbrushes that were left on charge suddenly burst into flames. Luckily both of them were at home at the time and yanked the plugs out; one threw theirs in a cake tin and the other into a saucepan and each ran outside with the units & brushes blazing away. Presume the toothbrushes contain lithium batteries? Since the 1st friend warned me, I now charge mine whilst standing it on top of the cooker (obviously when this is not in use and switched off at the mains) and only whilst I am at home to check it. Warned another friend of the risks when I spotted hers plugged in upstairs on the landing carpet, plus laptop left on the sofa also plugged in and charging - when she had gone away on holiday for a week last summer! Yikes. (I had called round to water her plants).
From the descriptions, circumstances and names I suggest the IQ is the issue and not the battery
Hey Geoff. We had a fire in the garage a few weeks back from a cheap RC car with a small Li battery. Luckily the wife misses little and spotted the smoke coming out of the door.
Sometimes it pays to be a little nosey 😂😂😂😂😂
once a lithium ion battery reaches the age of 3 it gets evicted from my house
The unnatural storage of elements on land carries a Strict Liability in English law for losses arising with neighbours - Water storage in dams is obvious but battery storage amounts to the same thing. No more EVs should be allowed until the knock on effects of their storage and use has been accounted for in the same way as New Oil Wells have to be.
All the carbon released from the battery fires,could be offset,by building more batteries,mmmm.
Re: The Volvo EX30 car park incident this week. The car involved had only been registered for a couple of weeks, so it's owner may well have still been getting used it. It may or may not have been the top of the range twin motor AWD version that produces the equivilent of 426 bhp and 543nm of torque. Volvo quote a 0-62 mph time for this car of just 3.6 seconds. The slowest version in the range is 5.7 seconds.
For context a Ferrari F40 had a 0-60 time of 3.7 to 4.1 seconds, depending on your source. Let's just look at something here: The quoted time for the F40 will have been achieved by one of Maranello's famed and highly skilled test drivers. To actually get that car cleanly off the line without either stalling or too much wheelspin takes a bit of skill, and as the top speed in 1st is quoted as being 56 mph there would be a gearchange involved from that dog leg first into second. Most 'average' drivers would not be capable of getting the F40 to match that time, they would be at least 1 to 3 seconds slower and many would not manage the gear change. The car would also feel intimidating for a novice and all the noises and sensations etc might well make them 'lift off' a bit, which in itself this is a kind of built in safety feature..
Put that novice into the EX30 though and it will be totally different, no noise, less sensation of speed building up and instant torque from the moment they get on the accelerator, unlike many ICE performance cars which might not do very much until several thousand revs have been built up, so the ICE car demands more committment and skill from the driver. To put an average driver into an EV that offers such instant and far too easily accessible performance is just insane. It is not a matter of 'if', but 'when' a car park incident like this weeks sadly involves a couple of young kids in their pushchair getting killed. Surely any coroner residing over such a case would have to conclude that ultimately it is a drivers fault, but the car industry would have to share some responsibility for putting such performance into the hands of very average drivers?
Those of us in our late 40's well remember the controversy when the Lotus Carlton was launched in the early 90's, it was even mentioned in the House of Commons as to whether a family car should offer the performance it was capable of, which was much less than many family EV's of today. Volvo themselves need to be very careful here given that they pride themselves on their social and corporate responsibility. I never thought I would ever say that cars are getting too fast and powerful, but here we are..
Freedom of choice!
You sound like a nanny state lefty loony!😂
@@DwaynePipes You sound brain dead.
@@DwaynePipes You sound thick.
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Are you for or against freedom of choice?
@@DwaynePipes All for it. But are you in favour of someone being supplied a car that isn't right for them just so a manufacturer can meet some net zero target? Would you then be in favour of that person who is unable to handle such a car mowing down your young child on a car park? Does that sit right with you then?
MGUY solid, I do follow. Ex Brit living Melbourne ( Not Jealous , cough )
MGUY lives in Sydney, but yeah, solid fella.
MGUY is a BS artist that sells falshoods and conspiricy theories.
Here in NZ fires inside rubbish trucks is becoming a regular occurrence, because people are just throwing old lithium batteries in to the trash
Granny Smith, 0-Sainsburys in 0.5 secs
Pop - up add right at the end of this video for a LR 90 electric conversion, nearly fell off my chair ! How ironic!!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wasn’t the death recently in a Tesla in US due to the car traveling at around 120mph in a built up area ?
Would buy a tesla, since he is clearly a russian shill anyway!
A: yes. but there's actually NUMEROUS crashes occurring in this same "high speed" manner, so which one are you referring to exactly...? while the latest was on the FDR Drive resulting in the loss of 1 life with 1 injured on Feb 4, 2025, there was also the loss of 2 lives in Pelham Manor NY back on Dec 3, 2024, and the loss of another 2 lives in White Plains NY back on Sept 16, 2024, and then there was the loss of 2 lives on Nov 15, 2024 where a speeding Tesla ironically crashed into a PARKED Tesla here in Bucks County Pennsylvania.
With data corroborated from a US insurer, the study found that EVs suffer 25 fires per 100,000 sold.
Petrol or diesel vehicles were found to experience 1,530 fires per 100,000, with hybrid vehicles at a notably higher risk of 3,475 fires per 100,000.
There were electric scooters in Nottingham last May, last time I was there, as part of a government trial which may be finished now?
Rental electric scooters are county wide in Buckinghamshire.
Ginger
Coventry had them for a while, however, they were removed as 'the youth' were tearing around the city centre on them ! Haha
They are beta testing the system for later use with cars , when cars b come self driving and zero people own them
Mobility (or rather the dealers dealing with Mobility) are very actively pushing customers into EVs - making it seem like ICE cars are no longer available on the scheme! A friend (who isn’t elderly but is on the scheme) was telling me this week they were having a hell of a battle to get a normal petrol/hybrid car through the scheme!
Why is it that this does not seem to happen with power tool batteries, eg. cordless drills?
It does. Have you tried Google.
I did, here's the first result:
"After reports of more than 100 incidents of SKIL lawnmower and power tool batteries overheating, melting, smoking and catching fire, an Illinois man has filed a lawsuit against the manufacturer, alleging that he never would have bought the product if he’d known of the potential danger."
Thanks. I've certainly seen cases of those stupid robot vacuum cleaners catching fire.
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Q: Why is it that this does not seem to happen with power tool batteries, eg. cordless drills? great question A: 100% QC (Quality Control). same as Consumer Electronics (think Smartphones) cordless Power Tools brands like Milwaukee, Dewalt, Makita, Bosch, Festool, etc enjoy HIGH PROFIT MARGINS this means these companies have the money $$$$ to spend on the extra time it takes to do FULL QC and Validation on each and every individual cell before it goes into any product wearing their "good name". yeah for something these brands recognize is that since Builders and Tradesmen (not just low-level Consumers) buy and use their products everyday on New Housing Starts and other Major Infrastructure Projects, all's it takes is a rash of fires in the news for them to go Bankrupt from the resulting Class-Action Lawsuits...
those with good memories (like my own) will recall how the Apple Megacorp basically called out the Samsung Megacorp on their FAILURE to do proper industry QC in regards to the manufacturing of their Phones back during the Note 7 fire debacle in 2016.
@@phillyphil1513 Thanks for good answer.
AND of course these "Power bank"? thingies. There's one that was put about a mile away during covid (no connection at all). It's on an industrial estate and is about 30 shipping containers all closely packed together. Cameras everywhere, cooling fans buzzing. The whole area is surrounded by housing. The fire station is less than a mile away, I know a man who knows a fireman there, they were never consulted? I don't forsee any problems at all.
I am being pressurised, To get an electric vehicle and after watching your programmes.I would not touch one with a tent barge ball.I keep saying I'm not interested.Put the keep pressurising me to have one.Thanks jeff
Who ?
Getting rid of us one by one! Every little helps!
I got a "this video has been removed by the uploader" message at first
So did I.
Meanwhile in the UK Liebour have just dropped all the regulations regarding Chinese e bikes and scooters.
I'm assuming the hot tub Lipo battery would have been one of the Jackery brand ones. Often huge capacities and advertised for use when fishing, camping etc. Got standard wall sockets on them too.
They're essentially an electric version of a petrol generator.
Apart from them not being a generator in any respect.
@edh7492 oh yes. I meant as a portable source of power. Worded it a bit sloppily.
We got a Bluetti for power storage. Worrying
@ Keep it in the shed! haha
In the town near me, we had many run away ICE’s too. The bigger issue is the high power cars being upsold to the elderly as they usually have a higher model spec to match.
Unfortunately there is no desire for lowered powered EVs, echoing your comment that the only selling point is the instant torque
I have driven for nearly forty years and have drive everything from a Ride on mower, V8 military 101 Landrover, Citroen 2CV, VW bus Leyland Boxer SAAB 9000i Off road Fork lifts and Tractors. I have had ONE diesel van catch fire while driving, that was an electrical fault in the fuse box. The 3.5 Ton Diesel tipper started to smolder when i was in the inside lane so I got out and asked the driver in the other lane to pull forward so I could get on to the verge out of traffic. He moved and I climbed back into the now burning van and slipped between the vehicles onto the verge. Got out grabbed my coat and stood by while the van burned. Lost my Stihl Cap to the fire. got away without a scratch or burn. Driving a burning diesel van is not that bad. Cheers
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I'm surprised that home insurance doesn't ask if you propose to charge Li-on batteries within your home and charge an excess if you do or refuse you insurance
On runaway cars, it seems similar to what seems to happen a fair bit in the US where virtually all cars are automatics and drivers of a certain age manage to park them inside shops. You would think that all parking areas outside shops would have bollards wouldn't you.
Geoff, all governments around the world know the risk of battery fires. Insurance companies will increase premiums and put us all off the roads. We all talk about it, but do nothing about it. Talk is cheap. Wake up and burst the bubble . 🇮🇪
Most engineers said the tech wasn't ready. Gov, the public and investors didn't care, chaos ensues. Should've listened to the engineers and not the grifters
Saving the environment is becoming the biggest environmental disaster.
There has always been "runaway" accidents with automatic cars and old people pressing the wrong pedal in supermarket car parks.
I'm shortly moving to moorings much closer to work. An E-bike would be brilliant, but I just can't trust the battery. If I'm charging that on my boat and it goes up, the fire would be mental especially as my boat holds up to 1200 litres of diesel.
I wonder if EV's increased the issues the fireservice had in LA in getting control of the fires, given the fires tore through residential areas, and California is an EV capital.
You've got it all wrong Geoff. Those were all diesel scooters and diesel storage facilities that caught fire.
Last week a warehouse in Galway Ireland when up in flames when a business that supplies heavy duty lithium batteries for heavy vehicleshad an incident. The industrial estate was evacuated along with three local schools and they were told not to return until an environmental examination of the aftermath was carried out.
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The risk of fires is so high that the insurance for my Cupra Born is £480 a year compared to £1,200 a year for my Mercedes C300 petrol
I know a guy whose lithium battery in a pool cleaner charging undercover outdoors destroyed his house. One room was trashed and the toxic smoke, and particulates and heat meant vitually the whole house had to be rebuilt internally. He tried to put it out within a few minutes of it starting and the fire brigade were there shortly after, but it was too late.