Pro engineer / youtube addict here from Berlin germany. This is the best audio comparison and advice channel i've coma across... and I know most of them... This should take over everything else if the choice of shirt color doesn't have to be purple stripes. Seriously though, great job!
@@PresentDayProduction Mic pre thing is interesting, I got one even though I'm never plugging a mic into it because of the sound of the DI input and the EQ section. Most bass preamps just aren't as good it seems. Tried a few plugins and had limited success as I'm trying to really crank the input of this, boost 60hz while high-passing at 50hz. Closest one I found was the UA plugin but you're locked to their hardware.
Just discovered you guys, and I’m very happy I did! Love the channel! I agree with everything said in this video with one exception: rectangular rooms are our friends IF their ratios and volume fall under acceptable parameters. In fact, a rectangular room (particularly for stereo) could very well be the best shape one could hope for, particularly when considering build costs. Anywho, keep up the great work, chaps!!😃
Excellent. I’ve been a pro engineer since 1985, I was chief engineer at a major London studio complex in the 1990s, and I totally endorse the advice in this video. Especially the bit about mic preamps. Unless you’re using a particularly tricky, low output level mic (eg a vintage ribbon) that needs tons of gain, use the desk pres. They are perfectly adequate. And sort out your room acoustics. Spot on.
With an SM7B you need something like a Cloudlifter, an an-line preamp, to bring the level up, as well as a regular preamp - The signal out of those mics is much lower than most other mics
@@PresentDayProduction Julian Krause’s UA-cam videos are very good on measuring built-in mic pres on various (generally consumer/ prosumer grade) audio interfaces to see what is the effect on frequency response of running them at maximum gain. Many can amplify the (admittedly weak) signal from an SM7 to acceptable levels without the extra 25db of gain from a cloudlifter. It is true that some cannot.
@@nocastus running maximum gain is not a good idea, most of the time you maximum want to set gain at around 9 o clock. Anything higher and it will be noisy
@@dusteye1616 That is simply not true. If you have a quiet source and there’s a relatively large amount of inherent mic noise, of course turning up the gain will make the noise louder, along with the signal you’re trying to record. But the SNR will not get worse. Increasing the gain in a mic pre circuit does not make the SNR of the mic preamp itself get worse, it just mean you hear the noise coming from the mic (and whatever it’s picking up) better. In fact the SNR of just the preamp in isolation is usually a bit better at max gain than it is when running with less gain. The only rule is that you need the output of the pre to be at the best compromise between high gain and enough headroom to avoid clipping in the subsequent parts of the signal chain, and if that means running the mic pre at max, that is absolutely fine. The only problem occurs when there’s not enough gain in the pre, even at maximum, to get a reasonably strong signal out of it, and in that case you’re probably trying to record a very quiet source with an insufficiently sensitive microphone (with too much equivalent input noise in its internal circuitry if it’s a powered mic).
Id' like to add : Seating position in the room and hence monitor-placement. Some rules of thumb : In a rectangular room, set up "long", place monitors somewhere between 10-12% of the room-length away from the wall, and place your seat between 36-38% away from the same wall. That's a good place to start.
Pre Amps. I agree. Years ago I recorded a track with a £10 headset mic which went straight into the green jack in the back of the computer. I sent the track to Radio 1 and they played it on air. To this day, I've never bought a pre amp, though I have upgraded my mic and bought an audio interface.
A small addition; good quality monitors (and mic's) are a sensible long-term investment. My Genelecs are close to 30y/o now and still top notch. I've used mic's that were over 50y/o and absolutly a bliss to work with.
Great advice, all 3 tips! Though what makes certain preamps special, like 1073's, is how they react when pushed beyond nominal conditions. You could push those preamps for some really beautiful saturation, which works incredible on live drums! But yes, getting a great snare drum sound 1st has to start with the source. A great sounding snare drum 🥁.
Nice, I’m glad I found this channel. It changed my life. Now I know I did the right thing by buying a decent mic, a good pair of audio monitors, and treating my room properly. Also, I bought a nice preamp but it's okay hehehehe
This was a good wake up call. I spent plenty of money on preamps, bought a few bits of outboard gear, and have only gone moderately nuts with plugins, all while my studio monitors and room were neglected. While I can say that I am absolutely in love with my preamps and outboard gear (don't tell my wife) and get the occasional blood rush from some of my plugins, I'm finally biting the bullet and spending a chunk of cash to upgrade my monitors and fix my room, and it's partly your faults. So, thanks, I guess :D
It’s great to hear we’ve had an influence on bringing you to upgrade your monitoring and acoustics. Trust us, it’s definitely worth it and you’ll never look back. Once you experience the better monitoring systems, you really just can’t use anything else because your whole quality level just skyrockets. Let us know what you get!
@@PresentDayProduction I ended up with the Neumann KH120 speakers. They sound amazing. Super clear, I'm hearing so much more detail now in my mixes. I have acoustic foam sitting next to me ready to go on the walls, and will be ordering some bass traps in the next week, so all is coming together nicely :)
This video should be shown automatically, unskippably (I'm certain that's a real word), with the first launch of every daw. I definitely went down rabbit hole #2 fifteen years ago starting out, and am still now finding cruft in Mr plugin folder. "oh wow! A *nother* model of a neve eq... They love it on gearslutz, and it's only $49! I definitely need that." --me, at rock bottom
They speak truth. Just good common sense. One thing I would add though is that if you must buy something, do your homework first. Read specifications and employ some critical thinking regarding marketing hype. Make sure the equipment does what you need it to do.
New subscriber here - currently binge-watching your back catalogue - love it! I have decades of experience playing with and mixing live bands, but only started seriously recording at the beginning of lockdown, so I've made a lot of mistakes in a very short amount of time - but fortunately none that involved spending money that I regret. I started with a cheap live mixer for preamps, and A/D converter from an old guitar fx unit, stock plugins from a free DAW, towels, curtains and pillows to tame the room, and good old SM57s an 58s for mics. I was fortunate enough to already have some decent monitors. I've completed quite a few projects now, some for other people, and am now getting good results. Apart from some better LDC mics ("source") and some better room treatment, the only money I spent was on a plugin to improve bass response on small speakers - I don't think I could have done that any other way - about £30 if I remember right. I can occasionally be heard ranting at all the adverts for expensive plugins that claim to pour lush analogue loveliness all over your mixes, because I worry that young upcoming talented producers are being parted from the money they should be spending on all the things you mention. So thank you for this!
Thanks for your comment! Great to hear you’ve jumped into the world of recording, best of luck with it! We’d love to hear some end results when you get them!
Not that my opinion particularly matters, but the most helpful "preamps" I've invested in is a home engineer is the pair of FetHead in-line preamps I use on my dynamic mics. I used to think that I needed expensive preamps for more color or whatever, but what I needed was a little bit more clean gain from my mics to open them up a little bit. $100 on a FetHead versus god knows how much for whatever Instagram is trying to get me to buy.
The logic compressor is great! also all of the Reaper plugins are fantastic. The ReaEQ is crazy cool because you can just keep adding bands. And the oversampling on the ReaComp is super useful if you want very fast attack and release sidechains.
I'm glad when I started out that my budget prevented me from going hog wild with equipment. Over the years I've added a piece of equipment here and there, then stepped up the quality and thinned out my wallet. I still have almost all the equipment I bought back in the old days and still use it from time to time. I know my gear pretty well by now and have a decent home studio setup. Everything is patched into my patchbays and I enjoy my time in my studio.
Best advice on youtube for music production/mixing starters, would definetly saved me some money if I saw this video before spending for...great job guys👍👍👍
Excellent! Yep. Crappy source (e.g. vocalist/instrument), crappy room (acoustic space/environment) and crappy speakers (transducers of electro-magnetic energy into acoustic energy in the air) tend to correlate with crappy sound. Regarding an acoustic source and things being as they are with the technology these days, the preamp, interface...and DAW are not as important as the mic (transducer of the compression and rarefaction of air molecules (created by the source) into electro-magnetic energy...) and its placement. You guys are amazing!
Questionable point on preamp, preamps start to make difference when you turn up the gain knob. If you push a really loud signal through the preamp and leave the gain at 0db. I doubt you will hear any difference, even though the signal is passing through the gear. Well, this sounds obvious, right? In the sound on sound test, they recorded a grand piano with condenser omni mic at a very close distance. They didn't say how much gain they pushed on each preamp, but I doubt they needed a lot of gain. We usually need a good preamp to record vocal. Keep in mind not everyone will sing as loud as a grand piano. And sometimes, some people use dynamic mic. This is why we need a good preamp. No one said we need high end preamps to record a super loud drum set, unless you have lots of high end preamps sitting around for whatever reasons. In the end, I do agree preamp usually only makes subtle difference, you could definitely live without a decent preamp. As long as you are happy with the result. You can upgrade gears when the cheap one drive you crazy.
Great video and subscribed to your awesome channel! Regarding plugins, I totally agree. Treat your plugins like hardwares. If you look at hardwares in studios, they have fixed hardwares that they have chosen because of their transparency/color, their sound etc. But they will not get new hardwares for each new song. Get to know your plugins, and you will achieve wonders with creativity.
I spent a bit on a mic that everyone says you need... Turns out, I get just as good tone and expression with a really cheap(comparatively) mic... I laughed a lot through this...my first recording, sounded like I was in a Lesley,....underwater... But I used all my plugins!!!...🤦♂️
I bought a cheap boom mike stand and it came with a "free" dynamic mike which actually works incredibly well. I've bought other mikes since then, but I still swear by the freebie! My recordings of music plus voice overs for radio amps were used, unaltered, by a national radio station.
Gents, as most of us are listening via UA-cam compression and on crappy iPad speakers can we EQ the young lads vocal to take the harshness out? love the channel, no idea why it has never popped up before but glad it has (got a feeling it was the SSL2 review)
Hi Simon! Thanks for your comment! This was one of our very early videos and so our UA-cam-Fu wasn’t quite up to scratch in terms of what audio settings worked best… Since then we use new lav mics and have a much better idea about our production needs. I hope you find our newer content less harsh on the ear!
Well said. I seen a couple similar videos like this. One from Glenn Fricker of Spectre Media Group and Jordan of Hardcore Studio. Glenn addressing about how you don’t need converters since they also only make up a sliver of your sound. There’s plenty of USB interfaces that are affordable and do such wonders. Want an affordable DAW? Get a copy of Reaper for $60. Also being addressed is mics. Both mentioned above address how you don’t need a $3000 mic to track or $1000/piece condensers to track drums. I track my own drums with SM57s and Shure KSM137s. A great vocal mic would be an SM7B. Also watch out for elitist studio owners/engineers who with bluff, bullshit and blow smoke up your ass about how you need gear and equipment of an LA/Hollywood studio to make usable tracks and excellent recordings.
in my 30 years experience you just need to avoid cheap mic pre's, they do sound worse. Also, once you start EQing and compressing the good/bad preamp you used will be more apparent. But yeah, don't over spend.
Oh man, that last tip makes all the difference. Very important! Recording acoustic guitar used to be such a pain because I had to try and fix all sorts of issues with the performance afterwards. now spending quite some time to find the best mic (I have a whopping two choices) and its placement and place in the room I was already rather satisfied with the basic recording. I used to avoid acoustic guitar in my songs but now I tend to start with it as I have a little bit experience with recording it now
9 times out of 10 I think youre right - tho I'm curious about the difference that impedance makes to dynamic mics (your fancy condensers have FETs or Valves in as a first buffer, so relatively unaffected) All right, I'd better declare an interest - I design the things - but I AM finally working on some deadening curtains and bass traps ;)
I'm on a very low budget...so I would say that a 7 band EQ pedal is a must for any guitarist. The very cheap Behringer EQ700 is good enough to just tame harsh sounding single coil guitars. I go from a Yamaha Pacifica through the EQ pedal, then to my ancient and trusty Line 6 Pod and then into a Zoom R-24. The built in condencer mics on the R-24 unit are fine for vocals or acoustic guitar. But this is the real low end of home recording. The same rules apply even so...decent monitors or at least some very good headphones. Oh,and a decent chair Great video and great advice guys...
It is the same with microphones and loudspeakers in a sense. Transducers are where I find the best bang for buck audible differences, and more expensive is no guarantee of enjoyable sound. I've always found the SM7b mic to be a curiosity. Why would any well engineered microphone require TWO PREAMPS to make it a workable solution? It sounds good but others sound just as good to my ears--and cost a whole lot less when all is said and done. Moreover, speakers have huge differences in sound quality but it is not always defined by price. Personal preferences make up the biggest differences and some not very expensive speakers sound a lot better than others that cost two or even three times the price.
Hi! My monitors are pretty good, but the room is not properly treated. I couldn't spend a few thousand of dollars on acoustic treatment and monitors, so I tried Waves Abbey Road Studio 3. This plugin is amazing, it supposed to replicate the mixing room at Abbey Road with great accuracy, and since I got it about a year ago, it saved me every time when I'm sending songs for mastering. I'm mixing half of the time on monitors, and do last tasks (check levels, bass, treble, space placement) on my headphones Beyerdinamic DT 990 Pro. Hope this helps :)
One side note I would make about outboard mic preamps is that if you want to use outboard gear (which is a choice of personal taste), it may be necessary to use an external preamp to get a level high enough to work with. Although even then, I agree with you that it's not necessary to spend a huge amount on the preamps to get an awesome sound.
Great advice. One thing about plugins is quite a few very useful ones are available free and come in really handy when using low end DAWs such as GarageBand. A very good example is given that GB has basically no usable metering mvMeter2 is great for that functionality.
Thing is, acoustic treatment isn't possible in my home studio... err.. I mean pandemic derived home office. The missus would go mental, if I put in enough acoustic panels required to get a reasonably dead sound. So, for acoustic recordings I grab a bunch of spare duvets and pillows and spread them round the room. Not perfect, but it does produce a noticeable difference. For mixing unfortunately, I have to live with headphones.
How I wish this were true. Sound on Sound guys were having a work party and must have been a few drinks in. Went from built-in RME preamps to API preamps, and the difference was massive, absolutely no regret. Asking friends what they think, giving them as little info as possible to get honest opinions, they've all said that they like the sound of the 500 series preamps better.
moog 25(700),oxygen pro 49(240),mother32(600),apollo6x2200(25 purchased plugins 1000),ax7(1200),lsr305+lsr310sub(600),50 panels,8 bass traps and sonarworks(500) with my athmx50s(150). spent about 7 grand but traded some stuff in and only spent out of pocket like 4 grand so really not bad.
Great video! Except for the #2 point on plugins.. plugins are the creative lifeblood and only real things progressing in music composing, production and mixing. For mastering. Yea. Different story. You mastering guys are fucking dinosaurs. Lol. Love you guys!
Great video but I have to disagree about the Mic preamp bit - although I don't think it should be the first thing you buy when you're just starting out, I shot out a vocal comparison between a UAD unison 1073 plugin which is a pretty decent quality in the box set up and an external BAE 1073 clone pre and the difference was night and day. More depth and 3d ness to the sound field with the external preamp. I played them both back to back to my girlfriend who's just a casual listener and she noticed the difference right away.
You’re very welcome to disagree - our video is simply a suggestion and of course there is room for different opinions! If you find different preamps work better for you, then at least you’re experimenting and finding your best workflow, which is a good thing to do! Thanks for your comment!
I would argue the 4th important factor in mixing is levels. An interesting video i watches said that sometimes, levels are more important than EQ. I would also argue, if your in a bad room, headphones are more important than monitors and room. You can fix a small bad room really other than rebuilding it. Monitors for reference.
OMG thank you! You just saved me from dropping money on Neve preamps. I am a songwriter/mixer doing demos and probably have everything I need anyway... The problem is I have an audiophile streak and it's fun to have it sound awesome. I have UAD stuff and it sounds great already especially when I focus on the sound going in and do minimal mixing. BUT I want to run the final mix through ANALOG gear so it sounds groovy and not so harsh (mostly for fun). Do you recommend a piece of gear that I can run vocals and bass through but also for printing some coloration, EQ and maybe compression? As you can tell, I am not cured yet hahaha
No, that’s the antithesis of the wisdom in this video. If you’re not happy with the results you’re getting, especially with UAD, it’s not your gear. It’s likely your skills, your room, and your sources.
A decent mic pre doesn’t need to cost a fortune. But it does make sense to spend some money on at least one descent channel for vocals and overdubbing. When you start out and have no money, you will come pretty far nowadays with free plugins. As soon as you have some money it also makes absolutely sense to buy some plugins that you liked demoing. A clean, free DAW compressor and lack of knowledge won’t work well together. On the other hand you won’t be able to choose where to make music. Of course there are always things you can do. But you can also learn pretty fast if you listen a lot to references and on different sources (headphones, car, Hi-Fi system, phone). The thing I absolutely agree is, that there are overpriced and overhyped things. These are meant for collectors, not for musicians and engineers.
I don't like Bisto. Can you suggest an alternative? Besides that, the rest of the video was spot-on, although you didn't mention the relative merits of DAWs, microphones, or interfaces. [Just SUBSCRIBED]
I took an audio engineering course back in 1988 but could never get into the field due to a car accident that left me disabled. But I agree completely. I remember that CD players came out back then and the "audio press" would rave about this player's sound because it had a superior digital to analog converter. But I would listen to a variety of them with my own ears and the differences were literally indiscernible! You might be able to differentiate them with signal generators and the like played back on a video monitor, but in the real world of audible frequencies they didn't sound any different. Like every "profession" in the working world, there seem to be no end of snake oil salesmen out there eager to part you from your money for no good reason. It takes a bit of experience to sort these sorts of matters out and get your work into a professional and profitable position. But the latest whiz-bang gizmo is highly unlikely to do it for you! Ha-ha! 😉
In mixing, there are no rules. You can make a hit with a Alesis 3036 compressor and a tascam 4 track cassette recorder if you know what your doing.....
Great video, and I totally agree. Can't stress the monitors enough! I've been mixing on good headphones (Beyer Dynamic) thinking my mix sounded good. Bought some monitors last week and listened again, wow my mix sounds shit!! SO MUCH BOOMY LOW END! Nice video and well presented! Nice to have a bit of fun while watching. You got a new subscriber!
I often record and fiddle about during the night, so i bought some good open-thingy phones. They're fine for recording, but not mixing, except for the frilly post bits. Taking a mix and playing it on, say, a loud pub's system makes you realize just how lifeless it sounds. Monitors are a must, but I don't think you really need very expensive ones. 3-4 hundred smackers'll get you some decent kit. And yes, I've recorded in studios with monitors like PA systems! They just make the musicians feel good, IMHO.
@@Ndlanding Mine weren't expensive, Alesis Elevate MKii, €119 and they're great! You're right, you don't "need" to spend a lot, but I've been in studios where they're mixing other people's music (Imagine mixing for Bono for example) you need the absolutel best sound you can get, and that ain't cheap! You only need €120 for your home studio though.....what do you mean by "open thingy phones"?
@@TheOnlineBusker I mean Akai K702 open-back phones, which leak sound out but feel more comfortable. If you wore them on a train, someone might bonk you with the fire extinguisher.
I agree in part and disagree in part. The Shure SM-7, for example, pretty much requires the Cloud Lifter mic preamp to be loud enough and solid enough at all. And honestly, some cheap mixer mic pres are not good, and yes, I can tell the difference. I would say beyond a certain point, the difference does become vanishingly small. So a moderately priced Allen & Heath mic pre will be just fine.
Monitors with Soft Dome Tweeters....!!!!!!! Soooooooo much less fatiguing than Titanium or Birillium etc..... and So much more natural sounding too...!!!! But makes Listening without fatigue So much more enjoyable an experience.... And mixing for hours on end without fatigue much, much, much more Enjoyable and much more possible too....!!!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) And it also seems So so much nicer and more helpful when especially acoustic instruments sound like the actual instruments do, instead of a super bright fatiguing version of them.... Purely in the name of hearing as much 'detail' as possible.... At the expense of crafting a really natural sound on transducers that are actually capable of reproducing a faithful natural reproduction of the source material....!!!!! Similarly if You enjoy mixing more and can stave off fatigue for longer... then you will def make better mixes and be able to work effectively for at least twice as long before your ears fatigue...!!!!! :) :) :) :) :)
Brilliant as always, love this channel, been saying the same for years and get treated like a heretical communist......mad, the marketing works, on me as well sometimes, think I use about 2-3% of the plugins I’ve bought, bundles being the worst case scenario.......
DO spend on... 4. a low-latency audio interface, like an Apollo 5. a powerful computer (I’m looking at you for future-proffing, Apple silicon ❤️) 6. A good pair of reference headphones. I disagree with the video on this. Most people are not in a situation where they can afford to acoustically treat a room properly and then spend another shit-ton of money on pricey studio monitors. Invest a good amount into a least one great pairs of reference monitor headphones. If you can, get two pairs, a pair of open or semi open and also a good par of closed back. You can’t make 100% on headphones so you will also have to buy a good pair of studio monitors however you do not need three-way speakers constant five figures. A pair of JBL or Yamaha monitors can do the trick. If you have a bit more money, get a pair of Adam, Focal or Dynaudio studio monitors, but spend money on basic acoustic room treatment like diffusers, bass traps, etc... Do NOT spend on... 4. Expensive mics. Ok, get one great large diaphragm condenser vocal mic if you can swing it but some of the greatest vocals were recorded through an SM7. You can get great lower-cost mics that sound great with a slightly different eq curve.
Hi! I'm a student from South Korea studying music and music production. I'm in a situation which I can't correctly tune my room. Should I still get a pair of speakers or should I buy a descent headphone or IEM? By the way, your contents are just amazing! I love the fact that your opinions are based on logic, science and your personal experiences. Please don't stop!
Since your audience and customers will listen over speakers of some sort (usually) go find a set of monitors that sound good to YOU. It doesn't matter what the magazines say. You are the one who must be happy with how your studio sounds.
In an ideal world, yes, you’d always want a lot of acoustic treatment - but in reality that’s not always possible! Apply as much as is possible for your own space to get it sounding as good as possible
Plugins: Not true if you want to or make example experimental electronic music where effects shape the sounds. Simple DAW effects comes very short in this example.
The only reason for me to buy a good preamp is so that it is not in the same box as the converters. When you're using something like a focusrite interface with mic pre's, the output volume of the preamp (going into the converter) is fixed. So if you overdrive the preamp, you will also have digital clipping, because your converters also get overdriven. I am getting one external preamp so that I can overdrive the transformers in it while trimming down the level on the output of it, so that it hits the converters at a healthy level. But for general purpose recording, I totally agree. Getting a load of overpriced preamps ain't worth it. Only the specific scenario's give them a reason to exist.
Most pro level gear is properly shielded so leakage of signals should not be a problem. But of course some manufacturers will cut corners and you, the consumer, end up with unsatisfactory sound. But the long time people in the audio manufacturing business should put out trustworthy gear.
@@ToddSauve No haha. By not being able to control the output volume of the preamp stage of an audio interface, purposely overdriving the preamp automatically lets the converters clip, which sounds bad. They xan handle it fine, but it just sounds bad. By getting an external preamp, you can trim the output volume of the preamp before it hits the converters. Thereby you have the added option to purposely overdrive/distort the preamp section of your chain, without clipping the converters. That results in a saturated sound instead of a crackling sound.
@@jenshendriks9092 Ok, cool! It has been a while since I have worked with hardware. Sounds sort of like a guitar tube amp and how some people prefer the way they go into distortion compared to digital amps.
Well done. Add hardware mixers to the list of unnecessary equipment for small home composers' studios? I see tons of home setups with tiny desks, cheap monitors, tiny keyboards but a huge hardware mixing console with auto faders. Complete over-kill and a waste of money. You can buy a NanoKontroller2 for around £40 and it will do 90% of the essential stuff that a 8/16 channel £2000 mixing desk will do. Almost all DAWs, even the free ones, come with fader automation, midi-automation and tons of audio tools. Expensive mixers just repeat what is already in front of you in software? If you really need a bigger mixer then buy a second large (cheap) monitor, and place the undocked virtual mixer on it. I completely agree that even in a pro studio tons of hardware rack effects etc is overkill and redundant given the huge range of perfectly good software equivalents, and I think they are there to persuade clients that you really are a "pro". Same for very large and expensive 48 channel mixing desks. It's overkill and no doubt often there solely to impress clients.
I will say one thing about this. Once you get good with your hardware it is much faster to complete a project than it is via software. But that is a pricey difference, so if you have plenty of time to do it via software, do it that way until you can afford to start building your hardware mixing solution.
On the 1st notion about mic pre's it's correct and incorrect at the same time! If you already have some decent preamps from say M old mci console or maybe there cleaner pres like the Audient 880 or something, then your set! Or if you've got a decent audio interface day a UA Apollo with its unison preamps then your set! But if your rocking behringer then your not and would want to invest in some decent clean preamps or colored ones, as long as their decent getting the sound into the computer that isn't muddy or sound like shit! I tried to take a band with an old MAudio 1010lt $200 interface back in 2001 or something, and it sounded so bad going in that running it through an SSL9000J console still couldn't make it sound good (that specific console makes everything you run through it sound way fucking better!)! It was so bad it all had to be retracked on another system! Did it with the same microphones in the same room and it same out 2000x better! So there is something to say about hanging good preamps. But there is also way too much hype around preamps now! However almost 90% of recording artists nowadays are without consoles so. If your interface didn't come with preamps like the UA Apollo 8xmp(or the whatever the hell it's called with the 8 preamps), or the Motu $1500 equivalent your totally fine and don't need to worry about it! If your using crap Art, Beringher, Pyle, Nady, Presonus Tubepre, etc, then you defiantly need a new system! But if recommend you get an interface with preamps in the already like the UAD or Antellope Orion Studio! Then you never have to worry about preamps again! Plus with those 2 you damn switch out your preamps whenever you like with plugins and the Antelope comes with 4 extra mic pres!
Great video and advice! Too bad all the people who spend their money on fancy gear just to post their studios on Instagram for likes aren't gonna like this video haha!
A chair. Spend money on a decent chair. You will spend a ton of time in it, so spend some cash first.
This comment is underated.
Indeed, a decent chair is one of the best investments you can make. And if you can’t afford one.... adopt a standing position!
I bought a 20 dollar cushion to use...makes most any chair bearable...lol
Don't even mention how swivel chairs get all squeaky!
Also... make sure it's not a nylon cloth chair as the static is unbearable... go for leather if you can afford it, PU simulated leather if you can't.
Excellent video! The problem: treating rooms is difficult, buying a preamp is easy … 😁
Pro engineer / youtube addict here from Berlin germany. This is the best audio comparison and advice channel i've coma across... and I know most of them...
This should take over everything else if the choice of shirt color doesn't have to be purple stripes.
Seriously though, great job!
Thank you for your kInd words! Glad you’re enjoying the channel 👍
You've coma across? Not quite the recommendation I'd be after but I guess I know what you mean... ;O)
@@PresentDayProduction Mic pre thing is interesting, I got one even though I'm never plugging a mic into it because of the sound of the DI input and the EQ section. Most bass preamps just aren't as good it seems. Tried a few plugins and had limited success as I'm trying to really crank the input of this, boost 60hz while high-passing at 50hz. Closest one I found was the UA plugin but you're locked to their hardware.
That earned a subscribe.... should be pinned to EVERY audio production board and FB group ever
Just discovered you guys, and I’m very happy I did! Love the channel! I agree with everything said in this video with one exception: rectangular rooms are our friends IF their ratios and volume fall under acceptable parameters. In fact, a rectangular room (particularly for stereo) could very well be the best shape one could hope for, particularly when considering build costs. Anywho, keep up the great work, chaps!!😃
Excellent. I’ve been a pro engineer since 1985, I was chief engineer at a major London studio complex in the 1990s, and I totally endorse the advice in this video. Especially the bit about mic preamps. Unless you’re using a particularly tricky, low output level mic (eg a vintage ribbon) that needs tons of gain, use the desk pres. They are perfectly adequate. And sort out your room acoustics. Spot on.
I had to get a pre amp for my sm7b, the signal was just to low or I had to put the gains on max and it would sound horrible.
With an SM7B you need something like a Cloudlifter, an an-line preamp, to bring the level up, as well as a regular preamp - The signal out of those mics is much lower than most other mics
@@PresentDayProduction Julian Krause’s UA-cam videos are very good on measuring built-in mic pres on various (generally consumer/ prosumer grade) audio interfaces to see what is the effect on frequency response of running them at maximum gain. Many can amplify the (admittedly weak) signal from an SM7 to acceptable levels without the extra 25db of gain from a cloudlifter. It is true that some cannot.
@@nocastus running maximum gain is not a good idea, most of the time you maximum want to set gain at around 9 o clock. Anything higher and it will be noisy
@@dusteye1616 That is simply not true. If you have a quiet source and there’s a relatively large amount of inherent mic noise, of course turning up the gain will make the noise louder, along with the signal you’re trying to record. But the SNR will not get worse. Increasing the gain in a mic pre circuit does not make the SNR of the mic preamp itself get worse, it just mean you hear the noise coming from the mic (and whatever it’s picking up) better. In fact the SNR of just the preamp in isolation is usually a bit better at max gain than it is when running with less gain. The only rule is that you need the output of the pre to be at the best compromise between high gain and enough headroom to avoid clipping in the subsequent parts of the signal chain, and if that means running the mic pre at max, that is absolutely fine. The only problem occurs when there’s not enough gain in the pre, even at maximum, to get a reasonably strong signal out of it, and in that case you’re probably trying to record a very quiet source with an insufficiently sensitive microphone (with too much equivalent input noise in its internal circuitry if it’s a powered mic).
Id' like to add : Seating position in the room and hence monitor-placement. Some rules of thumb : In a rectangular room, set up "long", place monitors somewhere between 10-12% of the room-length away from the wall, and place your seat between 36-38% away from the same wall. That's a good place to start.
Pre Amps. I agree. Years ago I recorded a track with a £10 headset mic which went straight into the green jack in the back of the computer. I sent the track to Radio 1 and they played it on air. To this day, I've never bought a pre amp, though I have upgraded my mic and bought an audio interface.
A small addition; good quality monitors (and mic's) are a sensible long-term investment.
My Genelecs are close to 30y/o now and still top notch. I've used mic's that were over 50y/o and absolutly a bliss to work with.
LOL :53 seconds in - Cue the Benny Hill face. Love it!
the best youtube show wow i love this
Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoy our videos!
Great advice, all 3 tips! Though what makes certain preamps special, like 1073's, is how they react when pushed beyond nominal conditions. You could push those preamps for some really beautiful saturation, which works incredible on live drums! But yes, getting a great snare drum sound 1st has to start with the source. A great sounding snare drum 🥁.
Nice, I’m glad I found this channel. It changed my life. Now I know I did the right thing by buying a decent mic, a good pair of audio monitors, and treating my room properly. Also, I bought a nice preamp but it's okay hehehehe
Thank you for watching us!
I keep coming back to this video. It is becoming a classic. Helpful and funny.
Wow, very good, completely unhyped, non-commercial advice that actually will work. Well done!
Thank you!
You guys are amazing please don't stop ❤🙏🏼💫
Thank you Gabriel!
This was a good wake up call. I spent plenty of money on preamps, bought a few bits of outboard gear, and have only gone moderately nuts with plugins, all while my studio monitors and room were neglected. While I can say that I am absolutely in love with my preamps and outboard gear (don't tell my wife) and get the occasional blood rush from some of my plugins, I'm finally biting the bullet and spending a chunk of cash to upgrade my monitors and fix my room, and it's partly your faults. So, thanks, I guess :D
It’s great to hear we’ve had an influence on bringing you to upgrade your monitoring and acoustics. Trust us, it’s definitely worth it and you’ll never look back. Once you experience the better monitoring systems, you really just can’t use anything else because your whole quality level just skyrockets. Let us know what you get!
@@PresentDayProduction I ended up with the Neumann KH120 speakers. They sound amazing. Super clear, I'm hearing so much more detail now in my mixes. I have acoustic foam sitting next to me ready to go on the walls, and will be ordering some bass traps in the next week, so all is coming together nicely :)
THANX!! Lot of priceless, good advice here! 😎
haha i loved the sense of humor of this video... but your right in every way. i did subscribe :)
This video should be shown automatically, unskippably (I'm certain that's a real word), with the first launch of every daw.
I definitely went down rabbit hole #2 fifteen years ago starting out, and am still now finding cruft in Mr plugin folder.
"oh wow! A *nother* model of a neve eq... They love it on gearslutz, and it's only $49! I definitely need that." --me, at rock bottom
They speak truth. Just good common sense. One thing I would add though is that if you must buy something, do your homework first. Read specifications and employ some critical thinking regarding marketing hype. Make sure the equipment does what you need it to do.
New subscriber here - currently binge-watching your back catalogue - love it! I have decades of experience playing with and mixing live bands, but only started seriously recording at the beginning of lockdown, so I've made a lot of mistakes in a very short amount of time - but fortunately none that involved spending money that I regret. I started with a cheap live mixer for preamps, and A/D converter from an old guitar fx unit, stock plugins from a free DAW, towels, curtains and pillows to tame the room, and good old SM57s an 58s for mics. I was fortunate enough to already have some decent monitors. I've completed quite a few projects now, some for other people, and am now getting good results. Apart from some better LDC mics ("source") and some better room treatment, the only money I spent was on a plugin to improve bass response on small speakers - I don't think I could have done that any other way - about £30 if I remember right. I can occasionally be heard ranting at all the adverts for expensive plugins that claim to pour lush analogue loveliness all over your mixes, because I worry that young upcoming talented producers are being parted from the money they should be spending on all the things you mention. So thank you for this!
Thanks for your comment! Great to hear you’ve jumped into the world of recording, best of luck with it! We’d love to hear some end results when you get them!
Not that my opinion particularly matters, but the most helpful "preamps" I've invested in is a home engineer is the pair of FetHead in-line preamps I use on my dynamic mics. I used to think that I needed expensive preamps for more color or whatever, but what I needed was a little bit more clean gain from my mics to open them up a little bit. $100 on a FetHead versus god knows how much for whatever Instagram is trying to get me to buy.
The logic compressor is great! also all of the Reaper plugins are fantastic. The ReaEQ is crazy cool because you can just keep adding bands. And the oversampling on the ReaComp is super useful if you want very fast attack and release sidechains.
I'm glad when I started out that my budget prevented me from going hog wild with equipment. Over the years I've added a piece of equipment here and there, then stepped up the quality and thinned out my wallet. I still have almost all the equipment I bought back in the old days and still use it from time to time. I know my gear pretty well by now and have a decent home studio setup. Everything is patched into my patchbays and I enjoy my time in my studio.
I own a vintage v76 and 1073 pre amps and I love them 👌✅✅✅
Happy Birthday lads and well done on surviving the first and hardest year. Love the channel and always enjoy your posts.🍻
Thank you Nigel! :) thanks for your comments and support over the year!
The best Mix sound I have ever had was a Behringer mic into a Peavey PV6 mixer. Nothing has come close.
1. Source 2. Speakers 3. Room treatment cannot fix a bad speaker. I loved that monitor joke.
Best advice on youtube for music production/mixing starters, would definetly saved me some money if I saw this video before spending for...great job guys👍👍👍
Excellent! Yep. Crappy source (e.g. vocalist/instrument), crappy room (acoustic space/environment) and crappy speakers (transducers of electro-magnetic energy into acoustic energy in the air) tend to correlate with crappy sound. Regarding an acoustic source and things being as they are with the technology these days, the preamp, interface...and DAW are not as important as the mic (transducer of the compression and rarefaction of air molecules (created by the source) into electro-magnetic energy...) and its placement. You guys are amazing!
Yes, an excellent SOS article with samples. I shared it with people chasing the mighty preamps and some still believe the glossy magazines.
Questionable point on preamp, preamps start to make difference when you turn up the gain knob.
If you push a really loud signal through the preamp and leave the gain at 0db. I doubt you will hear any difference, even though the signal is passing through the gear. Well, this sounds obvious, right? In the sound on sound test, they recorded a grand piano with condenser omni mic at a very close distance. They didn't say how much gain they pushed on each preamp, but I doubt they needed a lot of gain.
We usually need a good preamp to record vocal. Keep in mind not everyone will sing as loud as a grand piano. And sometimes, some people use dynamic mic. This is why we need a good preamp. No one said we need high end preamps to record a super loud drum set, unless you have lots of high end preamps sitting around for whatever reasons.
In the end, I do agree preamp usually only makes subtle difference, you could definitely live without a decent preamp. As long as you are happy with the result. You can upgrade gears when the cheap one drive you crazy.
Great video and subscribed to your awesome channel!
Regarding plugins, I totally agree.
Treat your plugins like hardwares.
If you look at hardwares in studios, they have fixed hardwares that they have chosen because of their transparency/color, their sound etc.
But they will not get new hardwares for each new song.
Get to know your plugins, and you will achieve wonders with creativity.
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I spent a bit on a mic that everyone says you need...
Turns out, I get just as good tone and expression with a really cheap(comparatively) mic...
I laughed a lot through this...my first recording, sounded like I was in a Lesley,....underwater...
But I used all my plugins!!!...🤦♂️
I bought a cheap boom mike stand and it came with a "free" dynamic mike which actually works incredibly well. I've bought other mikes since then, but I still swear by the freebie! My recordings of music plus voice overs for radio amps were used, unaltered, by a national radio station.
Gents, as most of us are listening via UA-cam compression and on crappy iPad speakers can we EQ the young lads vocal to take the harshness out? love the channel, no idea why it has never popped up before but glad it has (got a feeling it was the SSL2 review)
Hi Simon!
Thanks for your comment! This was one of our very early videos and so our UA-cam-Fu wasn’t quite up to scratch in terms of what audio settings worked best… Since then we use new lav mics and have a much better idea about our production needs. I hope you find our newer content less harsh on the ear!
This video is great, good job guys.
Thank you very much! I totally agree with every point, because I made the same experience.
Well said. I seen a couple similar videos like this. One from Glenn Fricker of Spectre Media Group and Jordan of Hardcore Studio. Glenn addressing about how you don’t need converters since they also only make up a sliver of your sound. There’s plenty of USB interfaces that are affordable and do such wonders. Want an affordable DAW? Get a copy of Reaper for $60. Also being addressed is mics. Both mentioned above address how you don’t need a $3000 mic to track or $1000/piece condensers to track drums. I track my own drums with SM57s and Shure KSM137s. A great vocal mic would be an SM7B. Also watch out for elitist studio owners/engineers who with bluff, bullshit and blow smoke up your ass about how you need gear and equipment of an LA/Hollywood studio to make usable tracks and excellent recordings.
in my 30 years experience you just need to avoid cheap mic pre's, they do sound worse. Also, once you start EQing and compressing the good/bad preamp you used will be more apparent. But yeah, don't over spend.
really love this channel, lovely looking control room too guys
You can't go wrong with a good sounding source and some chocolate ice cream! 😆 Cheers!
Oh man, that last tip makes all the difference. Very important! Recording acoustic guitar used to be such a pain because I had to try and fix all sorts of issues with the performance afterwards. now spending quite some time to find the best mic (I have a whopping two choices) and its placement and place in the room I was already rather satisfied with the basic recording. I used to avoid acoustic guitar in my songs but now I tend to start with it as I have a little bit experience with recording it now
9 times out of 10 I think youre right - tho I'm curious about the difference that impedance makes to dynamic mics (your fancy condensers have FETs or Valves in as a first buffer, so relatively unaffected)
All right, I'd better declare an interest - I design the things - but I AM finally working on some deadening curtains and bass traps ;)
I'm on a very low budget...so I would say that a 7 band EQ pedal is a must for any guitarist. The very cheap Behringer EQ700 is good enough to just tame harsh sounding single coil guitars. I go from a Yamaha Pacifica through the EQ pedal, then to my ancient and trusty Line 6 Pod and then into a Zoom R-24.
The built in condencer mics on the R-24 unit are fine for vocals or acoustic guitar. But this is the real low end of home recording. The same rules apply even so...decent monitors or at least some very good headphones.
Oh,and a decent chair
Great video and great advice guys...
Amazing channel! thanks
I have the same desk as you and I just use those preamps...sound great to me!
It is the same with microphones and loudspeakers in a sense. Transducers are where I find the best bang for buck audible differences, and more expensive is no guarantee of enjoyable sound. I've always found the SM7b mic to be a curiosity. Why would any well engineered microphone require TWO PREAMPS to make it a workable solution? It sounds good but others sound just as good to my ears--and cost a whole lot less when all is said and done. Moreover, speakers have huge differences in sound quality but it is not always defined by price. Personal preferences make up the biggest differences and some not very expensive speakers sound a lot better than others that cost two or even three times the price.
Hi! My monitors are pretty good, but the room is not properly treated. I couldn't spend a few thousand of dollars on acoustic treatment and monitors, so I tried Waves Abbey Road Studio 3. This plugin is amazing, it supposed to replicate the mixing room at Abbey Road with great accuracy, and since I got it about a year ago, it saved me every time when I'm sending songs for mastering. I'm mixing half of the time on monitors, and do last tasks (check levels, bass, treble, space placement) on my headphones Beyerdinamic DT 990 Pro.
Hope this helps :)
One side note I would make about outboard mic preamps is that if you want to use outboard gear (which is a choice of personal taste), it may be necessary to use an external preamp to get a level high enough to work with. Although even then, I agree with you that it's not necessary to spend a huge amount on the preamps to get an awesome sound.
Useful and engaging. Great work
most excellent - in all regards
Great advice. One thing about plugins is quite a few very useful ones are available free and come in really handy when using low end DAWs such as GarageBand. A very good example is given that GB has basically no usable metering mvMeter2 is great for that functionality.
Thing is, acoustic treatment isn't possible in my home studio... err.. I mean pandemic derived home office. The missus would go mental, if I put in enough acoustic panels required to get a reasonably dead sound. So, for acoustic recordings I grab a bunch of spare duvets and pillows and spread them round the room. Not perfect, but it does produce a noticeable difference. For mixing unfortunately, I have to live with headphones.
Thanks for those words of wisdom
How I wish this were true. Sound on Sound guys were having a work party and must have been a few drinks in. Went from built-in RME preamps to API preamps, and the difference was massive, absolutely no regret. Asking friends what they think, giving them as little info as possible to get honest opinions, they've all said that they like the sound of the 500 series preamps better.
moog 25(700),oxygen pro 49(240),mother32(600),apollo6x2200(25 purchased plugins 1000),ax7(1200),lsr305+lsr310sub(600),50 panels,8 bass traps and sonarworks(500) with my athmx50s(150). spent about 7 grand but traded some stuff in and only spent out of pocket like 4 grand so really not bad.
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Thanks a lot for this, best advices for noobs ever!
I bought a total max Studio 3 because of the variety of Authentic guitar amp Vst.
Great video! Except for the #2 point on plugins.. plugins are the creative lifeblood and only real things progressing in music composing, production and mixing. For mastering. Yea. Different story. You mastering guys are fucking dinosaurs. Lol.
Love you guys!
Thanks for the useful content!
Great video! Funny and informative!
Great video but I have to disagree about the Mic preamp bit - although I don't think it should be the first thing you buy when you're just starting out, I shot out a vocal comparison between a UAD unison 1073 plugin which is a pretty decent quality in the box set up and an external BAE 1073 clone pre and the difference was night and day. More depth and 3d ness to the sound field with the external preamp. I played them both back to back to my girlfriend who's just a casual listener and she noticed the difference right away.
You’re very welcome to disagree - our video is simply a suggestion and of course there is room for different opinions!
If you find different preamps work better for you, then at least you’re experimenting and finding your best workflow, which is a good thing to do!
Thanks for your comment!
@@PresentDayProduction Cool - all the best guys
I would argue the 4th important factor in mixing is levels. An interesting video i watches said that sometimes, levels are more important than EQ. I would also argue, if your in a bad room, headphones are more important than monitors and room. You can fix a small bad room really other than rebuilding it. Monitors for reference.
Good advise for those just starting out.
Definitely buying chocolate soft serve ice cream for my studio!!!!
OMG thank you! You just saved me from dropping money on Neve preamps. I am a songwriter/mixer doing demos and probably have everything I need anyway... The problem is I have an audiophile streak and it's fun to have it sound awesome. I have UAD stuff and it sounds great already especially when I focus on the sound going in and do minimal mixing. BUT I want to run the final mix through ANALOG gear so it sounds groovy and not so harsh (mostly for fun). Do you recommend a piece of gear that I can run vocals and bass through but also for printing some coloration, EQ and maybe compression? As you can tell, I am not cured yet hahaha
No, that’s the antithesis of the wisdom in this video. If you’re not happy with the results you’re getting, especially with UAD, it’s not your gear. It’s likely your skills, your room, and your sources.
Thanks for this. Mic Pre-amp mumbo jumbo is just depressing. So much waffle, so little content. The artist is the main source of the sound.
A decent mic pre doesn’t need to cost a fortune. But it does make sense to spend some money on at least one descent channel for vocals and overdubbing. When you start out and have no money, you will come pretty far nowadays with free plugins. As soon as you have some money it also makes absolutely sense to buy some plugins that you liked demoing. A clean, free DAW compressor and lack of knowledge won’t work well together. On the other hand you won’t be able to choose where to make music. Of course there are always things you can do. But you can also learn pretty fast if you listen a lot to references and on different sources (headphones, car, Hi-Fi system, phone).
The thing I absolutely agree is, that there are overpriced and overhyped things. These are meant for collectors, not for musicians and engineers.
I don't like Bisto. Can you suggest an alternative? Besides that, the rest of the video was spot-on, although you didn't mention the relative merits of DAWs, microphones, or interfaces. [Just SUBSCRIBED]
This is great thx
I took an audio engineering course back in 1988 but could never get into the field due to a car accident that left me disabled. But I agree completely. I remember that CD players came out back then and the "audio press" would rave about this player's sound because it had a superior digital to analog converter. But I would listen to a variety of them with my own ears and the differences were literally indiscernible! You might be able to differentiate them with signal generators and the like played back on a video monitor, but in the real world of audible frequencies they didn't sound any different. Like every "profession" in the working world, there seem to be no end of snake oil salesmen out there eager to part you from your money for no good reason. It takes a bit of experience to sort these sorts of matters out and get your work into a professional and profitable position. But the latest whiz-bang gizmo is highly unlikely to do it for you! Ha-ha! 😉
Exactly! But don't worry, as you shouldn't be recording in a field, unless it's Glastonbury.
What about the audio interface? To me the class of interface you purchase should determine the class of monitors you use.
In mixing, there are no rules.
You can make a hit with a Alesis 3036 compressor and a tascam 4 track cassette recorder if you know what your doing.....
Great video, and I totally agree. Can't stress the monitors enough! I've been mixing on good headphones (Beyer Dynamic) thinking my mix sounded good. Bought some monitors last week and listened again, wow my mix sounds shit!! SO MUCH BOOMY LOW END!
Nice video and well presented! Nice to have a bit of fun while watching. You got a new subscriber!
I often record and fiddle about during the night, so i bought some good open-thingy phones. They're fine for recording, but not mixing, except for the frilly post bits. Taking a mix and playing it on, say, a loud pub's system makes you realize just how lifeless it sounds. Monitors are a must, but I don't think you really need very expensive ones. 3-4 hundred smackers'll get you some decent kit. And yes, I've recorded in studios with monitors like PA systems! They just make the musicians feel good, IMHO.
@@Ndlanding Mine weren't expensive, Alesis Elevate MKii, €119 and they're great! You're right, you don't "need" to spend a lot, but I've been in studios where they're mixing other people's music (Imagine mixing for Bono for example) you need the absolutel best sound you can get, and that ain't cheap! You only need €120 for your home studio though.....what do you mean by "open thingy phones"?
@@TheOnlineBusker I mean Akai K702 open-back phones, which leak sound out but feel more comfortable. If you wore them on a train, someone might bonk you with the fire extinguisher.
@@Ndlanding Haha ok right!
Makes a nice cup of tea
'Monitors should cost at least five figures'
Like, £100.99p ? ;-)
Subbed.
I agree in part and disagree in part. The Shure SM-7, for example, pretty much requires the Cloud Lifter mic preamp to be loud enough and solid enough at all. And honestly, some cheap mixer mic pres are not good, and yes, I can tell the difference. I would say beyond a certain point, the difference does become vanishingly small. So a moderately priced Allen & Heath mic pre will be just fine.
Monitors with Soft Dome Tweeters....!!!!!!! Soooooooo much less fatiguing than Titanium or Birillium etc..... and So much more natural sounding too...!!!! But makes Listening without fatigue So much more enjoyable an experience.... And mixing for hours on end without fatigue much, much, much more Enjoyable and much more possible too....!!!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
And it also seems So so much nicer and more helpful when especially acoustic instruments sound like the actual instruments do, instead of a super bright fatiguing version of them.... Purely in the name of hearing as much 'detail' as possible.... At the expense of crafting a really natural sound on transducers that are actually capable of reproducing a faithful natural reproduction of the source material....!!!!! Similarly if You enjoy mixing more and can stave off fatigue for longer... then you will def make better mixes and be able to work effectively for at least twice as long before your ears fatigue...!!!!! :) :) :) :) :)
Great advice ... and loved the humour.
Great video!!!
Black hole of plugins. I only use about 10 if that. But the stock plugins now a days are pretty dame good .
Brilliant as always, love this channel, been saying the same for years and get treated like a heretical communist......mad, the marketing works, on me as well sometimes, think I use about 2-3% of the plugins I’ve bought, bundles being the worst case scenario.......
Yip, I've spent quite a few bob on Waves "offers", and I never touch the stuff!
DO spend on...
4. a low-latency audio interface, like an Apollo
5. a powerful computer (I’m looking at you for future-proffing, Apple silicon ❤️)
6. A good pair of reference headphones. I disagree with the video on this. Most people are not in a situation where they can afford to acoustically treat a room properly and then spend another shit-ton of money on pricey studio monitors. Invest a good amount into a least one great pairs of reference monitor headphones. If you can, get two pairs, a pair of open or semi open and also a good par of closed back. You can’t make 100% on headphones so you will also have to buy a good pair of studio monitors however you do not need three-way speakers constant five figures. A pair of JBL or Yamaha monitors can do the trick. If you have a bit more money, get a pair of Adam, Focal or Dynaudio studio monitors, but spend money on basic acoustic room treatment like diffusers, bass traps, etc...
Do NOT spend on...
4. Expensive mics. Ok, get one great large diaphragm condenser vocal mic if you can swing it but some of the greatest vocals were recorded through an SM7. You can get great lower-cost mics that sound great with a slightly different eq curve.
Hi! I'm a student from South Korea studying music and music production. I'm in a situation which I can't correctly tune my room. Should I still get a pair of speakers or should I buy a descent headphone or IEM? By the way, your contents are just amazing! I love the fact that your opinions are based on logic, science and your personal experiences. Please don't stop!
Sonarworks reference system would be a good place to start. Along with some decent monitors.
Since your audience and customers will listen over speakers of some sort (usually) go find a set of monitors that sound good to YOU. It doesn't matter what the magazines say. You are the one who must be happy with how your studio sounds.
How do you get your haur so perfectly spiky?
What do I buy for this?
hehe
Great vid
Couldn't agree more with all of this
There s pre amps in boss 6 track digital rec
What if my studio is my bedroom? Do I need as much treatment as a proper studio? Because basically My bed took over 2 of my corners in my room. :D
In an ideal world, yes, you’d always want a lot of acoustic treatment - but in reality that’s not always possible! Apply as much as is possible for your own space to get it sounding as good as possible
You guys are genius 😀
Can start with a pair of BBC's LS3/5A ?
Plugins: Not true if you want to or make example experimental electronic music where effects shape the sounds. Simple DAW effects comes very short in this example.
lmfao!! the monitors part was funny hahahahaha
The only reason for me to buy a good preamp is so that it is not in the same box as the converters. When you're using something like a focusrite interface with mic pre's, the output volume of the preamp (going into the converter) is fixed. So if you overdrive the preamp, you will also have digital clipping, because your converters also get overdriven. I am getting one external preamp so that I can overdrive the transformers in it while trimming down the level on the output of it, so that it hits the converters at a healthy level. But for general purpose recording, I totally agree. Getting a load of overpriced preamps ain't worth it. Only the specific scenario's give them a reason to exist.
Most pro level gear is properly shielded so leakage of signals should not be a problem.
But of course some manufacturers will cut corners and you, the consumer, end up with unsatisfactory sound. But the long time people in the audio manufacturing business should put out trustworthy gear.
@@ToddSauve Who was talking about leakage? haha
@@jenshendriks9092 Oh, I see. You must have been having overheating problems, eh?
@@ToddSauve No haha. By not being able to control the output volume of the preamp stage of an audio interface, purposely overdriving the preamp automatically lets the converters clip, which sounds bad. They xan handle it fine, but it just sounds bad. By getting an external preamp, you can trim the output volume of the preamp before it hits the converters. Thereby you have the added option to purposely overdrive/distort the preamp section of your chain, without clipping the converters. That results in a saturated sound instead of a crackling sound.
@@jenshendriks9092 Ok, cool! It has been a while since I have worked with hardware. Sounds sort of like a guitar tube amp and how some people prefer the way they go into distortion compared to digital amps.
nice one.
Amazing!!!!
Well done. Add hardware mixers to the list of unnecessary equipment for small home composers' studios? I see tons of home setups with tiny desks, cheap monitors, tiny keyboards but a huge hardware mixing console with auto faders. Complete over-kill and a waste of money. You can buy a NanoKontroller2 for around £40 and it will do 90% of the essential stuff that a 8/16 channel £2000 mixing desk will do. Almost all DAWs, even the free ones, come with fader automation, midi-automation and tons of audio tools. Expensive mixers just repeat what is already in front of you in software? If you really need a bigger mixer then buy a second large (cheap) monitor, and place the undocked virtual mixer on it.
I completely agree that even in a pro studio tons of hardware rack effects etc is overkill and redundant given the huge range of perfectly good software equivalents, and I think they are there to persuade clients that you really are a "pro". Same for very large and expensive 48 channel mixing desks. It's overkill and no doubt often there solely to impress clients.
I will say one thing about this. Once you get good with your hardware it is much faster to complete a project than it is via software. But that is a pricey difference, so if you have plenty of time to do it via software, do it that way until you can afford to start building your hardware mixing solution.
On the 1st notion about mic pre's it's correct and incorrect at the same time! If you already have some decent preamps from say M old mci console or maybe there cleaner pres like the Audient 880 or something, then your set! Or if you've got a decent audio interface day a UA Apollo with its unison preamps then your set! But if your rocking behringer then your not and would want to invest in some decent clean preamps or colored ones, as long as their decent getting the sound into the computer that isn't muddy or sound like shit! I tried to take a band with an old MAudio 1010lt $200 interface back in 2001 or something, and it sounded so bad going in that running it through an SSL9000J console still couldn't make it sound good (that specific console makes everything you run through it sound way fucking better!)! It was so bad it all had to be retracked on another system! Did it with the same microphones in the same room and it same out 2000x better! So there is something to say about hanging good preamps. But there is also way too much hype around preamps now! However almost 90% of recording artists nowadays are without consoles so. If your interface didn't come with preamps like the UA Apollo 8xmp(or the whatever the hell it's called with the 8 preamps), or the Motu $1500 equivalent your totally fine and don't need to worry about it! If your using crap Art, Beringher, Pyle, Nady, Presonus Tubepre, etc, then you defiantly need a new system! But if recommend you get an interface with preamps in the already like the UAD or Antellope Orion Studio! Then you never have to worry about preamps again! Plus with those 2 you damn switch out your preamps whenever you like with plugins and the Antelope comes with 4 extra mic pres!
5:53 I like playing with my knobs lol I'm not even British and shit was funny lol
Great video and advice! Too bad all the people who spend their money on fancy gear just to post their studios on Instagram for likes aren't gonna like this video haha!