Acoustic Treatment | Get Your LOW END Right First - And It's FREE! Speaker & Monitor Placement
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2021
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In this video we discuss monitor placement, and how getting that right is critical to your listening environment before you even start to think about adding acoustic treatment. The bass end is very difficult to get right, so finding the best position for both you and your speakers in the room is key. And moving your speakers around is not only time well spent, but it's FREE!
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Hugely important and amazing video!!
Thank you Warren!
@@PresentDayProduction you’re very welcome
Have a marvellous day, Warren!
@@davelongenecker649 thanks ever so much!
@@Producelikeapro HHAHAAHA :D
As a poor producer, I just put on my walls some mattresses inside slatted bed boxes and covered each one with a beautiful dark grey-blue cotton fitted sheet. And now my room sounds like a padded room from a psychiatric hospital.
Haha! 🤣
😅
Keep trying to achieve the perfect room sound anyway and you might just as well end up exactly there... 😉
Wool moving blankets.
Loosely Roll them up into floor to ceiling pillars, tape them with duct tape and stand them up in the four corners.
That’s a great idea! I’ve done similar things many times and it’s always yielded great results! I think there was a scientific study done that actually showed towels to be more effective in sufficient depth than Rockwool... I’ll try and find it!
Great job, but I’m using my living room. But I’m so tempted.
Finally, someone who knows what he is talking about.
Lots of common sense here… rare for a UA-cam video! I’ve been setting up control rooms for 30 years, and it’s amazing how many simple mistakes people make. The biggest one? Designing the room and buying acoustic treatments before listening to the space first! Great advice.
This is BY FAR the most accurate and helpful video I have found on this subject. Your passion and professionalism shines through and is clear to see. Greatly appreciated and I wish I’d started here as I’ve wasted a lot of time and energy. Kudos and thank you 🙏🏼
You are an excellent presenter. Clear, concise, and easy to understand
But not very pretty.... 😃
thanx much to these "amateur UA-camrs"...hands down, the best video i've seen on setting up a room for recording/mastering...
Terrific advice. Well produced video with organized presentation and wonderful presenter.
Thank you so much for diving deep through this step by step in order. Fantastic. Brilliant.
Sooo informative and practical. Love everything on this topic you guys can produce going forward especially!
Cheers
You are a joy to listen too. The way you present stuff is always great.
This is the best way to do this. Jesco is so good with acoustics.
I JUST bought a new pair of monitors and this helped me so much! Thank you
One of the best explanations I stumbled on keep up cheers
Great video, as always. Very helpful in my current situation. Thanks!
This is gold information, thank you so much for sharing, very useful! 😊👍
Just came back to this video in preparation of moving my mix studio into a different house. This video is a real gem. You guys have a terrific channel.
As usual, the straight truth from Mark. No BS. Thanks!
I can testify to the quality of the work coming out of Mark’s new room currently.
Thanks Sel! I’m really enjoying mastering your music!
This is such an important video. Thank you for doing this!!
This video is gold!!! Thank you guys so much!
Thank you for this video, as it reflects kind of what I've been going through in the past few weeks.
Good video this is what i do when setting up a mix. Dont be afraid of moving around the room and move the desk with you
The sheer thoroughness of the way you ploughed through all the principles here was extremely satisfying! I'd love to come & work for you.
Yeah
I have had the same problem with the TV in the middle of my speakers. Solution: cover the TV with a soft blanket when listening to music. 20% more details and focus
very refreshing to hear of an honest, expensive, difficult journey to a great result. People should know what they're getting themselves into ha
My speakers and desk are in the corner of a fairly small room and for some crazy reason I get a great balanced sound, thank goodness because I don't really have an option any other way. 😎
Thank you for this! It has given a good rationale for why there is a huge dip at 100hz in my room. I hadn't considered cancellation caused by reflection from the wall behind the speakers.
Might not be the problem, but I feel happier about moving stuff around now knowing what a possible cause could be.
A desk on each side of your chair and the monitor on the ground against the back wall (below ear level but easy to see). That was my solution. Cheers from Canada
This is excellent. EXCELLENT! Thank you!
Fascinating......some checking work to do I think. Thanks as ever.
Thanks SO much. Absolutely brilliant ideas and guidance. I’m following it to-the letter in my new studio setup. Brill!!
Fantastic video. I too have found in my own work that calculations and rules of thumb can only take you so far. At some point you have to build/test/measure/tweak and the results can be really surprising!
Thank you so much! This is a great help!
Just by the way your voice sounds in your channel I already trust your opinion, I will follow everything in in this channel. It’s a fact you know how to record yourself, then I can listen to your advice!
I respect your frustration. I’ve learned a lot from this video. Thank you
Proper acoustics video! Great job and please do a 3rd episode ;)
terrific video, love it as always
Great job as always guys!
Great Video Lads 🙏🏻🥰 been there as well and only the no-gos worked in my room.
I've given up chasing the dream of a mixable room and have just gone with Slate VSX. I'm happy now.
My man
The single best overview on handling control room treatment processes I’ve seen.
Thank you, Paul!
Well said on all fronts! :)
Practical and 'to-the-point' and no 'dark art' snake oil. Thank you!
Except it's wrong to try to assess sound through listening. Measurements are the only way to achieve true accuracy. Subjective findings will never produce a truly accurate end result. One thing I fully concur in this video is the importance of bass treatment. It's mostly neglected, yet it's the hardest thing to get right. And if the bass is off, 80% of the energy of your audio is off.
Thanks for the transparency!!! 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
This is very interesting! Thanks for sharing
This is such a great channel!
Wow this is really good, thanks for sharing
I thought my bandmate had bought awful monitors for our practice / demo recording space as there was no low end to speak of until I got up and walked around the room and realized it was a cancellation issue as the bass came back when standing off to the side. I still had my doubts about his used monitors, so I brought a set over I was very familiar with and when placed on the desk area where the computer is I was mortified at how bad they sounded haha. I think I will show him this video since he was surprised that you can't just set some speakers anywhere in a room and expect them to sound good!
Excellent advice, thank you 🙏
He said it all ! great video!
Thanks! This was fantastic!
In my studio I use the basic approach of very nearfield monitoring (1.0 to 1.4 meters)from my three pairs of Neumann monitors and one Neumann subwoofer with one of the pair. All are in an equlateral triangle configuration(1.0 to 1.4 meters). I also have a large control room - 6 meters x 13 meters. Treating the room to control low freqencies is critical. Standing waves have to be killed.
Great content, thank you! I have an odd room setup that I am nearing the measuring stage. Rectangular-ish, one corner is 1m deeper though making it non symetrical. The ceiling also pitches up toward that same side by about 30-40 cm. All in all about 9m long by 6m wide by 3.5m tall. I am sharing the space wih my wife, who is a textile hoarder (designer), so I built a giant diffuser for the middle of the room that holds about 1 metric ton of fabric on the rear of it to both dampen itself and the room somewhat. Then the corners on my side also hold the rest of the rolls of fabric on 3 tiered, triangular shelving. About 30-40 each. Then I received a ton of acoustic absorbers from another studio. 2x4 feet by 6inches as well as 2inches and then 14 half cylinder absorbers/diffusers. Gonna be interesting.....maybe a little frustrating....
Great presentation. Lots of Gold. Thank you Sir
Well done, an adder on how best to hook to a wall or ceiling. 2 vs 4 inch etc. Thx fr this
Recently discover PDP UA-cam Channel and its truly informative (and sometimes hilarious). I find myself binge listening to all the episodes. Just wanted to say thank you!
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Great video. In regards to an even bass response for the whole of the room, have you guys tried any of the multiple sub techniques ?
Fantastic video, thank you!
38% rule of the room length by Ethan Winer just worked for me once upon a time, just set and forget, but equal triangle is not pretty much, closer but not exactly in terms of details. And then Dirac another set and forget tool brought 200% of details from behringers 2031a. And the last one - Harman in room target adds 1000% of detail to the bass response. Now Voxengo Span on the fastest speed tells me exactly every damn note or hit that I'm hearing right now. Sound is a great miracle indeed!
This helped soooo much !! Thank u
When you first started talking about soundproofing I thought “Oh boy, another one who doesn’t know the difference between isolation and treatment…” I was pleasantly surprised, great video!
Oh yes ATC enough said .Love my active pro 50
Great video. Very informative.
Super detailed video and great info. Who'd a thought center of the room!...
I do hope guys, however, that there's not a quiz on Monday...
Phil
NYC Area
Excellent presentation mate!
Thank you John!
My room is not orthodox either and the results have been good. I do want more treatment, but I found out the hard way how experimental it is. I bought a rug and it imbalanced my room horribly lol in the end you have to find something you can live with and remove the obscene obstacles.
Thank you for this!
Graet explanation. Thank you.
Wow. I have spent months researching how to spundproof my apartment from noisy neighbors, and you have explained the physics involved extremely well in just 20 minutes!
This is not sound proofing, this is acoustic treatment for mixing environments.
Nice info. Appreciate it!
Moving to a small apt I've found that room gain has made for a great bass while playing at low volumes. Its only at the seating area that's against the wall but outside of that the spll is much lower.
Glad you came around with earlier statements, audio is not a constant science. There are theory's and practice, and these cancel each other out from time to time. Great monitors btw. and when you gonna hit the 100k subscribers? You guys deserves that.
Thanks Gunther!
I would love to have a listen to this room!
Is ReFreshing to hear someone who Actually Knows what they're talking about speak on this subject. So many variables unique to each individual's own room, that regurgitated incorrect generic blanket advice given by too many content creators, can't be fixed uniformly with one piece of treatment or sound proofing. Thank You! --Jason ✌🏻&❤
love this and good job sir! one q why dont you try to use Acoustically Transparent screen?i did it in some room acustic studio that i build :) good luck
Awesome guys well done.
Awesome video! For real! Great, real-world experience and knowledge was shared. Thank you. A request, if I may ask: could you please provide a couple good songs that helped you confirm your room, LP, and speaker placement? Starting off with a known, great mix/master you can have confidence in, right off the bat, could indeed be helpful. TiA!
after setting up my room properly, i have to keep checking that my central mono speaker hasnt been left on because the phantomcenter is tricking my tiny little mind!! this was a good video, this is a great channel, thanks for all of them!
Haha, that’s great! If you can hear that non existent little speaker in the middle then you know you’ve nailed it!
I wondered what you would come up with, and it surprised me as it pleased me. Love your approach and the pragmatic way to work to a good sounding room and not starting with buy 20 absorption panels and job done...... Most advise I have seen, as I am reading now to prepare me for my new future room as we are moving house, is more of the same. You need a lot of knowledge to even begin understanding all the measuring tools, graphs, technical principles and what have you. So, using your ears may not be such a bad solution in the end, taking time to get the best seems even more valuable. Of-course as a mastering engineer your ears are trained.
I was wondering on the computerscreen situation, also expected a screen on the same line or even behind the line of the monitors should fine, but seems still to impact. Do you think that is reflected sound coming from the back of the room bouncing to the screen or what...? Have you tested with vertical angling the screen to have it less bouncing the mids and highs backwards to the listening position? Also, IF this is the root cause, would you need diffusors at the back wall..?? How about a frame around the screen with absorption material for mid / high?
As a last, really LOVE your comment on EQ, not boosting dips as a general is what I have learned, but see only few others do. Most people seem to favour boosting the "missing" instead of cutting the dominant peaks. Maybe it is more natural, as you "miss" a frequency range so boost it, but it is dominated by some other. Also true in a mix, don't hear the kick so boost 60 Hz, but it is dominated by the Bass or synth, so decrease those on 60 Hz (find a balance so they are all there) and the Kick pops-up.
May I add one of my favourites; If you try something and it does not "work" don't throw the idea away, because most likely something else is way more dominant for your idea to be noticeable. Find that first and then try your idea again. As an example, the PC you use is "slow", so we add more memory as most people advise to do that. The effect is not noticeable so remove the memory again and buy a faster CPU, still no effect. Than you replace the old hard-disk for n SSD version, and your PC start to fly. Than replace the CPU and again it is faster. Same with memory. SO the CPU and memory were a good solution but the slow disk masked / limited the effect of the other improvements.
Keep-up the good work, but maybe a tiny bit faster (if you find time?).
Great video. I’m about to complete a basement for my listening room. If I do this test with my old speakers for optimal placement and then upgrade the speakers is everything going to be thrown off? Assuming it’s best to buy the new speakers now and test properly and then figure out how to complete the room. Thanks.
Great video ! What if the room’s top ceiling has got two different heigths?
This all makes sense. Shame I don't have the option of placing speakers or me where I want in the room, but I'm not a mastering engineer so it's fine :-) Thanks for the video.
I just saw this video earlier this evening. I am a determined audiophile and have been serious about music reproduction for many year but still struggling to get my room acoustics right. I happened to see another video about why to set speakers close to the wall from GIK Acoustics, explaining how that moving them away from the wall can creat a phase problem with the sound bouncing back and being out of phase at the time it hits your ears and then I saw this video. I use vintage Yamaha 3 way studio monitors . I removed all acoustic treatment on the front wall placed the speakers in the corner against the wall, located the best listening position and bam it was exactly what I thought was possible in my rooom . It has saved me a lot of money I was going to spend on more room treatment. Your exactly correct sometimes what is the accepted way and expected way is not always the best. THANKS SO MUCH.
That's great! Thanks for your comment, it's always nice when something works out for someone! Check out Jesco Lohan's channel Acoustics Insider for more tips like this, and a couple of collabs we did together
Very thought out and easy to undestrand. Just one question: where do I place my Subwoofer? I use 2 Yamaha Hs80m and the Yamaha HS10W Subwoofer.
Thanks a lot and a lot to learn as a beginner😮💨
learn. alot ! thanks !
lovely video , cheers
Great video! Those ATC’s are gorgeous 😍. My room is far from optimum but I recently had some luck building some absorbers from BBC’s A10 modular design - made a good difference for my space (and I could fit them in)
Cool! Yeah the BBC nailed it with some of their designs
@@PresentDayProduction Definitely, their R&D archive is fantastic
Great info! Thank you :-)
Great video. Just 2 questions if you don't mind, is there any good videos on how to do an acoustic analysis of your room and how that dictates panel position. But also do panels need to be so deep, could you make 120 mm, I need to hang them, just thinking of weight. Obviously with the smaller panel you'll lose some effectiveness but does anyone know, is it still worth doing?
Try an LCD projector instead of the screen ??
The "rules of thumb" may not always be the best solution. That was a great look at how to actually figure out the best placement and positioning. Thank you for posting - I hope you do that follow-up about treatment sooner than later :-)
We will, I promise we’ll have it out within a week!
You guys are frikin awesome
Find this excellent and honest !
Thank you for sharing!
I have a enforced concrete wall on the left side and plasterboard on the right. Should I start with the left or right speaker?
I saw Jesco's video 3 days ago the first time and i am curious to see what you can get out of your room with his basic measures...
very informative, thank you!
While experimenting with listener position and speaker placement, using a low sweep tone instead of regular music, may help in finding the most even response?
Yeah for sure - just listen to regular music you know as well
Great vid
Cool. Cool. Thanks!