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This is pretty awesome to see someone run through these steps. I'm buying a prebuilt and i'm going to bookmark this to make sure it has all these things checked off. Thanks!
you are buying a prebuilt yet want to tinker ?
@@DrTopLiftDPT one has nothing to do with the other
@@goassnmane It doesn’t make sense. Why not build the whole thing if u want to tinker this much. Usually people who buy pre builds just want to turn it on like an x box
Pretty soon need phd Quantum mechanics just to play a game.
Thanks for the to-the-point, informational video! I already go through extra steps to ensure I have the most performance on my PC, so I don't mind doing this kind of stuff; I'm just glad it's as a one-time setup
Thanks, great video. I really like your 'how-to' videos better than the 'leaked specs' videos.
Thank you for clarifying the parked cores will spin up if needed!
More videos like this will expand your channel. Keep up the good work, and share more of that knowledge of how-to!!!!!!! Including these process steps with the new upcoming AMD chip sets and maybe even comparing to intel processes would be well received by your viewers. Keep it up.
I dont think this is on AMD now. Kronos and Microsoft should make an API part of DX12 and Vulkan that can tell the System to do the parking or Core Assignment.
This should not involve this many steps in 2023.
AMD should make an application that automatically goes through the steps and applies them.
@ceciliacole5098the average person aren’t building a PC from scratch.
I just look on Alienware and cyberpower, they aren’t using 3D chips. Time is money and this would create a nightmare situation for their tech support teams and make a ton more work for assembly.
If you are building or upgrading PCs you should be knowledgeable of what you are buying or building for someone.
No, not all hardware is plug and play. You need to do a few steps to get everything working properly.
Tinkering is part of the fun of building custom PCs on current high-end hardware.
If you aren’t into it then maybe a pre-build PC is a better option for you…
Lets be clear, all what is said in the video is not necessary at all. Just buy your shit, download drivers and go do the things you wanna do. These youtube videos are just further optimization for very small increments that you in most cases wouldn't even notice in a game scenario.
@@DeKosta Well the guy above said he went from "struggling to triple" I don't believe it myself how about you?
@@billpii6314 No i dont believe it, the only thing that anybody would recommend someone to do after getting a new system is just to enable XMP/EPO and you are good. Of course there can be edge cases with a game behaving bad with a certain setting somewhere but those are pretty rare.
Its awesome to see you cover all this... NO ONE else even came close to this detail... ALTHOUGH to me it seems like some of the things you mentioned were 'insider' tricks that I think most people won't need to do, but I could be wrong....
BUT, you didn't mention any of this for Windows 10 .... will all these things work on Win10?? I would think yes, but you never know lol
Great video. Thanks for the easy to following instructions.
Amazing video with a lot of deep knowledge, presented efficiently and clearly. Thank you!!!
Dude.....thanks for going through the steps..Great vid!
Ideally, software should simply be able to dynamically tell the OS through the multi-threading API whether the thread requires single-threaded performance, large cache, low power, data and co-concurrency proximity requirements with other threads, etc. and be scheduled on the most appropriate available cores instead of some arbitrary external software forcing things. Also, outright parking cores seems a bit excessive when you can simply set processor affinity to steer a task to specific CPUs.
not all programs use default settings and can force it by some proprietary algorithm . I see why they went for the make it unavailable approach since this is a more sure way to guarantee it.
Then every software will try to tell it's thirsty for performance to ensure itself runs at the best performance. The other apps? None of "my" business.
this will never happen. Windows cant even use P and E cores properly
@@serena-yu That doesn't make any sense: Microsoft and Linux multi-threading APIs already allow threads to set their own priority levels, so nothing is stopping them from requesting the highest priority today if they wanted to yet practically all software either lets the OS decide or actually lowers priority on background threads.
Setting everything to highest priority when it doesn't actually need it would just piss people off by causing unnecessary performance issues with other software.
Processor affinity affects performance and breaks a bunch of scheduling features. Actually try it, it's not good for some reason.
thx for the summary.
really important right now is to install the driver after you installed the new X3D on the motherboard or else the driver does not set up the cache performance optimizer correctly.
this might be overlooked by people having still the old CPU in the motherboard for the BIOS update then already installing the new driver with the old CPU inside.
the more exciting point of the 7950x3d is the efficiency. it maxes out at 150 watts 100% load CB R23 and its 75 degree cool. on gaming its ultra efficient on average 83 watts with a temp of 52-55 degree (360 AIO). Its so good that it can be cooled easily with an aircooler.
You're right.
My RT 5800X3D is running on the same Noctua air cooler I used for the 3600 and the 5800 that preceded it, and it's running at the temperatures I saw with those earlier CPUS.
Great information! Thx
Thanks for all the great info on optimization for gaming.. cheers.. great job.
I see no problem with x3d on only one chiplet. There will be latency from the interconnect to the second chiplet anyway. So adding the additional l3 cache to a second chiplet might not help as much as you think.
thanks for the set up info it helps a lot
Great video! Easy to follow and to the point. Can you please consider making a video on the 7800x3d when it comes out.
Thanks for the info. Man you literally have to perform a checklist in order to use these new CPUs.
Besides the bios tweaks, hopefully AMD or somebody can write a script to auto check and perform the required steps to make things work correctly in windows?
I just ordered a 7000X3D based system. I will be switching from Intel to AMD. This video is very helpful. I'm saving it!
How did it go? I kinda wanna do the same thing
This is going to turn off alot of causual pc builders and have many people buying these cpus without even using them properly.
I wonder if it will be an issue on the 7800x3d with just the one ccd? That is going to be the one most people will buy.
@@mchonkler7225 it wont be an issue but clock speed is shit
they should do research before buying stuff then
@@mememanfresh They won't, they'll just buy a console instead. Which is sorta the problem cause if you want developers to give more of a shit about PC gaming or optimizing PC ports, you need more people playing on PC.
Nah it won’t all this shit will be handled via chipset drivers
Great video, thank you
Good job. I'm surprised I haven't seen any other channel do this yet. But, they only care about quick vids for quick bucks and don't care at all about giving proper info or reviews.
Anytime I hear I need to get the latest bios from my motherboard maker I quiver
Thanks this is a life saver, i got the 7900X3D and i was noticing that my i7 12700k was better before the changes lol!
Incredible CPU absolutely amazing, especially when you turn half the cores off for better performance.
Wow! Great video and no click bait!
We didn't have to go through any such rigmarole when upgrading to a 5800X3D. So what I'm wondering is what will be necessary for the 8-core 7800X3D? Will it take all these new drivers, new BIOS, and all this tweaking? Or will it simply be a matter of dropping in a new CPU and booting up?
No with 7800x3d you're ready to play without any configuration.
I think I get it, 32mb of cache on a normal cpu, and 96mb V cache next to it. I think this some quirky L4 cache happening here. Either that or there is a separation between the use cases of the 2 caches, basically offloading certain cache types to one over the other. Like games for example, they have information the V cache can store more easily while the standard cache works on everything that isn't gaming.
thanks ! well explained ! very helpfull ... while I m waiting to ms store end to update all my xbox bar and app, will take a look at the bios, and if after all I see msfs still using random cores, I will concider using lasso. But sincerely hope than after the 9 month post this video, the optimisation and core dedication is more consistent
how did it go? i have one coming this weekend
with last bios (msi x670e tomahakw) win 11 and driver uptodate, all fine, all extra core park by their own, and core 0 to 7 (l got a 7900x3d) are used for the game, just had to ensure game mode is on, and xbox game bar know the app as a game@@philiphorne5981
This video saved me from returning my 7950x3d, i bough it for tarkov since i got a new 4k monitor and my 7700x was struggling at 4k and my performance was basically the same on the 7950x3d at first, but after following this guide i realized i had game bar disabled and now im getting triple the performance
Good to know. I was a bit worried about it as well. So it it fixes and you don't need to tweak it anymore, that is good for me
@@lincoln537 it would still be a good idea to tweak the curve optimizer in bios but yeah you shouldn't need to use process lasso if you follow this video
@@seandesvarro588 thank you kindly
from struggling to triple not likley.
Great video. Being a pc tech this will be beyond most average users. I wish AMD were able to automate this procedure. I guess they are banking on this new chip being bought by enthusiasts.
And for prebuilts, PCs with these X3D CPUs will be sold only to gamers, so those will be "pretweaked."
Makes the 13900KS look user friendly despite heating several planets. So much potential in the 7950X3D but this is as non consumer friendly a setup as possible. I still can’t decide 😅
these x3d chips give you +40-60 fps over those shit intel chips if you cant spend 20 minutes setting up a new piece of hardware you might be on the spectrum
Curious, say you're playing a game in windowed mode and alt-tabbed/clicked to background to watch a movie or youtube videos, does that mean all cores will be unparked or?
I mean, maybe two chiplets would have been simpler and importantly, left technology in the chips that it could be accessed in subsequent driver and windows updates
They should have skipped the 7900X3D/7950X3D, this gets way to complicated for the average gamer. Who thought that this would be a good idea?
How?
i have a 7 7800 x3D... it has 16 threads and non of them are parked during a game. but i followed all the steps. does this only apply to the 9 series?
I wonder if AMD has considered an L4 cache on the IO-die. The bandwidth and latency is limited by the IF, but would still be much faster than RAM access.
It would also have the advantage that there's significantly less heat output from the IO-die compared to a CCD, both CCDs would not be thermally constrained by the cache die and both CCDs would benefit the same way from a L4 cache on the IO-die.
They probably have tested every combination, like an L4 chiplet, but its not as beneficial as stacking the ram vis a vis just using system ram due to IF slowness.
So a bit like the i7 5775c.
@@TheKazragore ?
This seems very niche, maybe??? For people thatll do more then just gaming. If your gaming, and streaming, will the cpu use the 3d side for that, and then use the non 3d side for streaming and other tasks? Is this a bigx3d dot big approach? Either way for tech enthusiasts, this is a win, and another cool Innovation to play around with and see what people can accomplish.
yes these high ends are for work basically, for games grab smth like 13600k or 5700x and just oc to the limit
Thanks for this Tipps! For the 7800x3D these steps are not needed I think so because the 3d cache sits on all 8 cores, right?
Do i need to so anything else specific? I still did all these steps just to make sure. Do i also need to re-install windows? I'm just worried that i'm not getting the most of the CPU.
@@pmgrodrigues I'm just discovering this whole issue and honestly, it's a pretty big turn off that I even have to be worrying about things like this. Didn't really want the heat from the Intel I9, but it sure beats not having to fug around with stupid shit like this.
@@gmee123 I agree
Thanks for these steps, except for that one where you have to compare to lines (couldn't get to that yet, can't find it), i did all other steps.
I'm just going to get the 7800x3d. The 7900x3d and 7950x3d needed build in hardware schedulers.
As someone who never had an AMD CPU before, this is a very helpful video after getting a 7800X3D, thanks!
Does it matter what power plan we use in windows ? Im sure I heard somewhere before we should used balanced for it to work correctly ?
I guess I'm not buying the 3Dvcache cpus. I like simplicity in my workload and just thinking about whether half my CPU is frozen or not is a nono for me. I want to open programs, games, etc, without worrying about the cores running properly or my PC being nerfed if I want to run things in the background. I just want to open a program and think about it, not about if my PC is running optimally. If they solve the software and maybe use windows affinity to target the cache cores to games instead of disabling half the CPU, then I would consider it. Regardless, It seems like a great time to get CPUs! I'm now starting to eye the super efficient ryzen 7000 CPUs as the likely choice for me
Im sure the 7800X3D will be way simpler.
I probably wouldn't buy this CPU anyways, but I won't even consider it when I have to go through things like X-bix game bar which doesn't even exist on my Win installation.
seriously!! What a bunch of hokey shit. In my opinion, they are preying on gamers being stupid and believing this is the end all be all of "gaming" chips lol Throw the word gaming onto something and it will sell lol
So, do you think that this is maybe why they are delaying the 7800x3d? Could it possibly be the best performing in games of all of this lineup of chips?
Sure seems like that could be the case. I woul
...I would love to see the 7800x3d without its ihs. is it binned from the same wafers as the 7950x3d and 7900x3d? Is there any performance testing of the 7800x3d available currently?
@@bldos5362 Yes the 7800x3d will be the fastest. It will not have latency issues since it’s just one CCD.
@ZackSNetwork I think I knew, kind of that, but I don't think I was getting the point. However, I think I do now. The anti-consumer practices of almost every corporation on the planet are just corrupt to the core these days, but I guess we have to play the game.
The 7800X3D will be better than the 7950X3D in gaming - Hardware Unboxed already tested the 16-core chip with the CCD without extra L3 cache disabled and in some games the gains were spectacular.
It has to be. Why would they delayed the 7800x3d til April? It’s because they want to milk out consumers who are not knowledgeable and want the best performance or people that are impatient.
That game Bar may help slightly with the 5900X and 5950X, also 7900X and 7950X chips like you can make sure Game bar is using the faster CCX. If you have one of these parts and look in (Hardware Info) a free tool, you will see that you have 2 separate CCX's and one of them usually hit's higher clocks slightly over the other.. In other words you can at least make sure you are gaming on the Binned CCX over the slower CCX, It may make a 2% difference and probably isn't worth doing.. But anyway I'm still on AM4 and Very happy..
do these bios options exist for MSI motherboards?
This is the hackiest CPU I've ever seen released from a major vendor. What a crazy number of hoops you have to jump through to take full advantage of this. Not a fan of the implementation, but I guess if it results in superior performance, it's a win once everything is configured correctly.
The issue is not with the cpu, it's with the operating system.
It's on the os to properly utilize resources, but Microsoft has not had enough time to properly work out how to schedule a cpu with specialized v-cache cores.
Given enough time, the user won't need to configure anything. This is just a different version of Intel's e-cores.
It’s a bad design, sure… but it was necessary. I’m upgrading and I was considering the 13900k or 7950x, as I game as well as do some video editing for work.
I was likely to go with intel, as it was performing better in games. If there was only a 7800x3d option, I would have still gone with the 13900k for the workload capabilities.
As weird as the implementation is, I’m actually going for the 7950x3d to have the best of both. I’m probably a small percentile of customers though.
how has the 7950x3d been?
i wouldnt go with intel just cause the high power consuption and heat
Thank you for this beautifully detailed content.
The question on my mind is this. While playing games (1080P / 1440P), I want to stream over the GPU (RTX 4080 )and record video on the CPU at the same time. According to this scenario, should I buy 7950X or 7950X3D?
7950x if your main useage is for productivity (video editing etc), but if you want high-end gaming as well, the 7950x3D.
why though, nvenc will do record/stream very efficiently, 3d version always better
@@iikatinggangsengii2471 While I'm already doing the live broadcast via Nvech, I also want to receive the Video recording over the CPU. Will the 79503D CCD 3D work correctly in this scenario?
@@limitlesswave While I'm already doing the live broadcast via Nvech, I also want to receive the Video recording over the CPU. Will the 79503D CCD 3D work correctly in this scenario?
if the system parks non X3D cores for better performance in games....that means people with multiple monitors will most of the time have worse performance....because that's the idea in having more monitors....to have other apps open
They will unpark of other apps need them. He covered it in the video
Man that motherboard demo was so freaking fast lol, blink and it's gone!
Outstanding video
Wait, so why didn't slap the 3d cache on the other side?
Because they would have to lower the speeds of the card too much?
So what would be a good recommendation for an AM5 CPU for a mix of gaming and productivity?
7700 for 8 cores
I could not find game mode on windows 10. I don't have the 7950x3d obviously, but I was just curious?
Liked and subscribed, brother i cant even get into windows now. I get a AA motherboard error code and the pc keeps running but the monitor and tvs time out and say no signal detected. Nobody seems to know how to fix that issue . Im at my witts end here . 😅
Sheesh, looks like a have lot of work cut out for me.. Building a new machine with the 7900x3d this week
Ok I finally came to this part and I must say you are the only UA-camr that came though clutch with this, subbed.
so are we okay with just using the normal versions of the chips or are the X3D chips a must have?
they all fast, fastest
i'm just trying to find a solution what could be even complicated than this :D
I'm liking the video and comment in hopes to spread this news, because this can mess up people without knowing it lol
I’m hella savvy when it comes to PCs etc. With that being said, these instructions are god awful for a typical user.
This is unrelated but I'm on an AM4 platform and there was a new BIOS update for my mobo (Asus ROG Hero VIII WIFI). Applying this update made my PC run better. 👍
I have a 7800x3d. Do i need to re-install windows, or is it enough just following these steps?
Thks man
wow. a lot of users will never notice that they dont use their cpus at their max potential
I’m honestly wondering if this has been addressed with recent updates as I have a 7800x3d in the corner ready for a new build
i think its been fixed im getting ready to build a new pc with the 7800x3d also
@@bryansullivan9588Might want to be sure!
I did everything as you said and it still won't park the cores. Ryzen 7800x3d , ASUS TUF GAMING X670E-plus wifi. Would you recommend a solution? Im reinstall Windows many time's. Windows 11 Home, maybe that's a problem?
Nice breakdown - unfortunately it didn't help me. Actually, installing the AMD 3D Vcache performance optimizer made things worse. My fan noise went astronomical any time I launched a game. Uninstalling the optimizer after I got it installed reverted fan noise back to normal, silent - which I prefer.
Either with or without the optimizer, I never showed cpu's parked. Even running cinebench as aagame.exe as suggested. As aagame with optimizer, fans were loud. As cinebench.exe, fans were quiet. So very strange. Anyway, thanks for the explanation.
Did you ever solve this? I’m having the same issue, cores not parking and games like Csgo are getting 200-300 fps with the 7950x3d
@@ChiggenS Process Lasso is an app that makes working with the 7950X3D a breeze. Unfortunately, I don't remember the videos I watched to help with it, but there's good info out there for those that have the 3D variants of chips using Process Lasso.
just got my 7950x3d today and followed these steps to a t, everything seems to be configured correctly but none of my cores park in any workload. Im on windows 10 I wonder if I need windows 11 for it to work properly
Did you ever solve this? Same issue here
@@ChiggenS I had to do a fresh install on windows 11 for it to work properly
Is there a link from AMD about setting these up yet?
This is mad you have to do this. Will I have to do this with a 7700x ? I’m new to pc gaming and going to buy the parts soon
AMD is putting more cache, Intel is putting E-cores. Windows doesn't know what to do anymore.
So what does linux support look like for this?
i don't like the game bar solution, it seems extremely windows dependant... I guess my bad for having such high hopes
According to LevelOneTechs Linux works well with no fiddling about.
Maybe they allowed a chip to be released with such complicated setup requirement because they realize this is a super niche chip servicing the rare individuals who need computing performance and gaming performance out of the same cpu? Most people needing either/or will simply purchase the 7950x or the 7800x3d?
gawd I hope the 7800x3d won't have this much hassle
this is the most not friendly user CPU ever created, just using i9 13900k and forget everything
I have MSI tomahawk. I can't find that setting in the Bios. I checked the core and they don't get parked. Anyone know how to fix it?
For workload and editing am i better off with 7950x3d or 13900k, ...i have tried the 13900k but not amd so i cant speak for amd on that
Just pick AMD, Next gen Will work with AM5 so if you want upgrade just upgrade CPU cause GPUs are beast like 4090, 4070 ti super, 4080 super etc.. if you want to pick shit Intel you are going to spend money now and later in CPU, and motherboard.. more money
man it just does not park my cores whatever I do... That basically means it doesn't work as intended, right?
I recently built a pc with this cpu and i didnt need to do anything all was already configured obs the chipset driver etc i did but all was working and parking fine
holy ffuck, that is such a laundry list of shit you gotta do, ima just buy a 7900x and call it a day lol
Recently switched from 5800x3d to 7950x3d and had all kinds of problems from RAM to EXPO to BIOS
This video is short and very helpful at the same time. Thank you!
Well, that would be an entire socket upgrade to AM5 then, sir.
Did you end up verifying everything else was in check rather than a simple CPU "switch" on the 'same' system?
@@eustacequinlank7418 Being honest ; i checked every bit and changed all the parts (not most) from the drive to PSU. It turned out to be the CPU. Just switched to a 7800x3d and sent the 7950x3d to RMA, all works perfectly fine now.
What if we have gamebar turned off because it interferes with steam?
What a mess for regular consumers
no regular consumer will by a 7000x3d bro
@@lolilol. Thats so fucking true
This whole mess quite frankly is a huge turn off.
We need to get you some sound dampening in that small space your in... there is a reverb on your voice and you sound like your in a public bathroom stall LOL
It's not horrible or anythin but because you're not speaking right into the mic it's being picked up..... since the area is off camera you can fix it by just putting a blanket over any large flat spaces and that will fix it right up.... the ceiling too IF you have a hard surface floor, but if its carpet and you put blanklets up on the walls then no need to do thew ceiling :)
if added only in one ,,, just imagine adding it to both parts.... surprise !¡
I cant find my AMD 3d v-cache preformence optimizer, i need help :P
Kinda seems like I should just buy the 5800x3d
Should have done dual ccx v cache…
can't wait for 7800 to make a new pc after 8 years :D
Me too mate!
What was AMD thinking? I want two x3d chiplets. I want to compile large projects.
It was explained in the video. Makes the chips more expensive, does not really add performance and may even lead to performance regression.
And please remember Genoa-X, they also need chache dies for these CPUs. And server chips are much higher in price and revenue than mainstream chips.
Just use Intel. Problem solved.
The 3D v-cache on both allegedly saw little to no benefit and would have resulted in a likely far slower chip so they took the best of both worlds. If they figure out how to make it more viable for both to have the 3D v-cache for ryzen 8000 and it be better than just 1, then they'd change it. As for now, its still relatively in its infancy with only one processor before these three having any 3D V-cache at all so, figuring out how to raise the clock speeds whilst still having the cache on both chiplets so it's overall not going to suffer in applications that require higher clock speeds is likely on their radar. As for now, this is really their first actual trial of the tech with multiple versions of their CPUs, not just the 7. So it's reasonable to expect some form of teething pain when implementing it into a different cpu entirely. It will probably help them in the long run as they can further develop the tech to be more efficient and to the point they'll be able to have all dies with full 3D v-cache.
@@ShockingPikachu thank you. This actually makes some sense.
@John Scaramis yes, but the reason was gaming, which is not my main use case. I just wish they'd make the mi300 or something similar available for workstations.
The only thing with the 7950x3d and 7900x3d is that is doesn’t know how to use the x3d V cache and accidentally turns off the wrong CCD with the X3d v cache.
I guess I'll be waiting for another gen. I'm not paying $2300nzd for a cpu, mobo and ram for 2 extra cores.
What about for a new build I knew I would have to update the bios before anything else and I don't even have windows installed will I have to go through all these steps too or will it automatically be done
I think this is only for the 7950 and 7900 chips, for the 7800 coming out in April it should be much simpler. If you have bought 7950 or 7900 "x3d" chips then update the bios install windows and go through the steps in the video. It will not be done automatically, not at this time. Hopefully in the near future they will come out with a single installer which sets everything up. Good luck man.
@@boastyy ok thank you I'm thinking about the 7950x3d if it's available I knew I would have to update bios before I built my computer but I wasn't sure if a new instal of win 11 would require all the extra steps but I'm to far into it now it should be worth the extra steps
@@jasonmcclure5491 Ah no worries mate, good luck with the build , hope it all goes well for ya.😀
The cppc should 100% be set to cache and not auto. u will see a major drop in latency on ram.. mine went from 70+ ns to 37-39ns + my cpu score were better aswel, after enabling cache on the cppc..
thank me later
Why tf would they remove the second CCD? So many problems are preset for there to justify this…
What about Windows 10? I really don't want W11 on my new system.
Get a different CPU with no big/little or multi CCD setup. Win10 will not be optimized for those. 7800X3D is your best bet.