Is the HATE Justified? - No! - AMD Ryzen 9 7900X3D
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2023
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It's easy to hate on things, but is all the hate for today's 7900X3D CPU by AMD really justified? In my opinion - No!
Sure, the CPU has some weaknesses, but does impress overall. So what makes certain people hate this processor then?
In today's limelight - the AMD Ryzen 9 7900X3D. In its core we're still looking at a regular 7900X, but with some changes to it, the most notable one being AMD's 3D V-Cache. - Наука та технологія
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❤❗This CPU was generously provided/lent to me by a long-term viewer and supporter of my channel for my testing.
A HUGE THANK YOU goes out to the kind #MarkusGebhard! 🤩🏆
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Without him helping me out, there would most likely be no tests and comparisons with the 7900X3D by me.
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keep with the low resolution CPU benchmarks regardless of GPU upgrade. benchmarks are about comparing hardware performance, not getting the actual use case framerates. lots of people want to see what performance looks like at 1080P or 1440P, but 720P can sometimes better highlight where the differences between hardware lie, and tbh there's not really much visual difference between 720P and 1080P on less than 30" display, so budgeted people may want to compare against what they're still using.
It's May 2024, and we can buy the 7900X3D for
In Canada it's $488. for the 7800x3d $498 for the 7900x3d. Choices,,,
In (notoriously expensive) Finland now jan 2024 it is 509€ so it comes to affordable range as 7950x3d is 730€. That difference gives you Samsung 990 Pro or Western Digital SN850X NVME top tier disk. 7900X3D does not need water cooling due to 120W TDP. So it is perfect for a quiet audio workstation DAW build. Extra cache will help with audio plugins somewhere in the future. Also low TDP extends motherboard lifetime if implemented correctly. There is quite a few points over hotter running big brother considering DAW build. DAWBench benchmark software still puts 7900X3D in the top 6 others being 14700K,14900K, 13900K and 7950X,7950X3D. It is so close that it has no meaning i.e 10-20% reach.
The only thing I hate is the price!
Haha, that applies to so many products these days! I have to agree... :D
Now Amazon is on sale that only $20ish more from 7800x3D to 7900x3D. I just got mine😎
@@blackangelldx I just installed mine also. For 20 bucks more its a no brainer IMO.
As I am seeing in other comments, the hate is not towards the CPU's technical achievements, but rather it's pricing. If someone wants a good mix between productivity and gaming, spending an extra $150 (U.S. pricing) more you gets you 4 more cores and more performance/cache etc. If gaming only, spending $100 less for the 7800X3D is also effective. And while I see why you compared the 7900X/3D to the 13700K as they are in similar segments, I think on the street people are looking at the 13600K ("14" cores) at about ~$100US less than a 7800X3D. So the 7900X/3D is just in this weird spot where the price/performance compared to other options above AND below it make it look like an odd duckling. But hey, either way, odd ducks need love too :D. Thank you for the realistic power usage scenarios in your video! Appreciate your content.
Thank you for your kind words and feedback!
Very much appreciated. :)
Just got a 7900x3d and it was only 20.00 bucks more than the 7800x3d, which is why I bought it.
The 7900x3d AT FIRST was trailing the 7800x3d in gaming. Now with learning how the ccd's are, volts, parking cores and whatever works you can beat the 7800x3d in certain games. Seems to be if it's fastest core, or just more of them or something else. I picked up 400$ 7900x3d for black friday. Same price as s 7800x3d which was 389$ (USD) at the time. Love it. Also, faster at vid render, and unity / unreal game engine compiles.
win win win.
what did u do to make it better than the 7800x3d i wanna make mine better when i get it but want to be as safe as possible while gaining max increase in performance
@@friedchicken2154 pbo, undervolt, etc. Look it up, you'll find it. Some hit -40 or more, like I did but not all. There are guides, just follow the 7800x3x. Also, look up benches for games and you'll see it come out on top for the 7900x3d, and even more for the 7950x EVEN THOUGH 7900x3d it's 12 cores split into 2 chiplets vs 6 cores on one die for 7800x3d
info:
Precision Boost (PB) - AMD's boost algorithm, decides core clocks based on power (voltage¤t) and temperature. Can only boost to max stock clocks.
Precision Boost Overdrive (PBO) - Increases the power that can be provided to the CPU by the VRMs, doesn't change clocks.
AutoOC - Increases the value of the max clock by 200Mhz. DOES NOT mean the CPU WILL now boost to max clock+200Mhz, just that it CAN if Precision Boost (PB) decides there's enough power and thermal headroom to do so.
7900x3D is Amazing CPU for Unreal Engine Work, compiles Shaders for Any High Quality 4K file within 40 seconds!
@@furious_dracko583 YES! I use it for Unity 3d work and it’s really fast compiling and playing games it’s great!
Do you have any links for learning how to tune the 7900X3D to make it 'beat' the 7800X3D?
Make a video on Undervolting 7900x3d bios, plus the use of Ryzen Master would be useful. Having issues with ryzen master ,I've seen some am5 7000 test. However the app shows different menu options, especially while in basic view. No cpu options to select Single Core.
I got interested into this CPU, because it is now just 80 euros more than 7800X3D. It is finally at a good enough price range where AMD can upsell me with a premium.
its only 20 bucks difference now
@@billpii6314 I got it for $10 more than the 7800x3d. It runs fine for me.
Great video, really enjoyed the power consumption comparison.
The current price on Amazon is LESS than the 7800X3D. If you are willing to do a bit of configuration, you can get the 7900X3D to be about the same speed in gaming and it will be faster in productivity tasks. Still only 120W TDP.
Same reason why I am here. The gamer crowd is too loud, but looking at the pudget bench marks for video and photoediting, this CPU is literally a 7900x on sale, with a tiny bit weaker performance.
I use radeon vii on 1440p but I can't seem to find which one is better the ryzen 7800x3d or 7900x3d I mostly play dayz and vrchat and when ever I'm on vrchat I use a few softwares for the vr and have chrome open with tabs can you help me choose the better one I use the i7 8700k and it struggles alot when I play vrchat with all of the softwares open and vrchat itself being very heavy on the cpu.. I subscribed to your channel you seem amazing ^~^
I have upgraded from a similar spec like yours i7-8700k (using for 5 years+) to 7900X3D and game on 1440p, the jump has been amazing. Initially I was skeptical about 7900x3d and was in 3way-split between i7-13700k & i5-13600k. 7900x3d has been bashed by all major "tech" youtubers, so i just went with just multiples of comparison statistics (stats dont lie) from online tech reviews. I noticed 7900x3d performance was almost at par with 7950x3d in gaming and the same as i7-13700k (productivity and gaming)with the lowest power consumption. Then 3 months back due to a glitch on amazon I was able to purchase 7900x3d for 430$. In my country 7900X3D then was selling for 650$ (Today 579$), i7-13700k was for 530$ and 7800X3D was over 590$. It was a complete no-brainer deal for me and till today do not regret my decision at all. The 7900X3D has been flawless since 1st boot after flashing BIOS to latest version (1st Boot took less than 2 mins with RAM having EXPO configuration on). Multitasking, gaming is quick and extremely smooth. Currently tweaking around PBO settings to try undervolting it. To conclude do not believe everything these major tech tubers will put out..at the end of the day they get sponsors and they also have to appease the companies to an extent so they can get free products for testing or use. Go with reviews from people who have personally/actually used these products with both pros/cons and avoid keyboard warriors who try-hard, staying significant by bashing products since they heard form xyz source.
@@drsawma aww thank you for your detailed reply it means alot to me your very sweet... i still couldnt choose i also saw that there is a new 14900k but while having a radeon vii which is a very hot gpu im unsure if the intel cpu will be good because i will have a sauna in my room haha >~
You can play VRCHAT?
@@billpii6314 yes come play with me ^~
correct me if im wrong, isnt the 7900x3d has the highest mb per core, 1st ccd has 6 cores with 96mb L3 cache=16mb/core, and 2nd ccd has 32mb with 6 cores.
Finally someone who gets it, most of people ignore this things. If some random youtuber will show them a cpu or gpu delivering 1 fps less than the other, they will hate it. Same thing about gaming in 2k and 4k videos here on youtube, cheap marketing for tha sake of subscribers. People cant think of the advantage in the long run.
True !!
so for 1440p 7900x and 7900x3d has no big of a difference?
Would it be good for streaming and gaming ?
Yup
I bought it now because it was 434€ vs the 7800x3d at 70€ less and since I am programming and do wanna start experimenting with ai, so overall it kind gives me that edge there for just 70€ more.
I think you convinced me to get this.
Look at the price now!
Ebay has these for a modest low $300 price
Managed to get one for just over 350usd on sale. Seemed like a good deal!
Is it good for streaming/gaming?
The chip have a CCD only for gaming purpose and another CCD (higher frequency without v-cache) for all others softwares running in background. So, with those 2 CCDs you can easily stream while you're gaming in the same time. This chip is load 20-30% max in cod mw3.
dose the 7900x use 12 cores when gaming as the 7900xrd only uses 6 cores.
In gaming, both use 12 cores, except on the x3d chip, the CCD1 will park volontary some core to force the other CCD to work.
Great video Nicolas as always! Wondering how AMD will improve in upcoming new generation cpus on zen 4 platform, Got myself 7950x during christmass for 550eur, had RTX 4090 for a month, however 3 weeks ago brought it to RMA because MSI 4090 suprim X fans are just terrible and faulty heatsink produced high pitch humming buzzing noise as if something lose inside, NOT COIL WHINE, sound was purely produced by chaging fan RPM while gpu was idle. So i got my money back because they didn't fix it, because supplier didnt send it to MSI and he didn't had replacement. So i brought back my 3080 which i didn't sell yet. Now i appreciate that i don't really needed 4090, there just wasn't any game which would take advantage from that kind of power even with 7950x with -30 undervolt and gskill 6000mhz cl30 + buildzoid timings there was instancies of bottleneck.
You must have at a bad card. I got the MSI 4090 suprim X and it's really, really silent. And also ZERO coil whine!
Thank you, I appreciate it! :)
What I hate is, if you can make full core X3D why not make all of it processor default with X3D.
That's a valid point, and AMD did try that, but there were technical difficulties involded. So they decided against it. At least that's what I heard. :)
Watch gamer nexus video's of AMD tour. They tested 5950x3d (both dies x3d). Performance was lower in rendering, and never higher in gaming then single x3d + normal second ccd. That's why. Some people live by the idea that it will kill latency, and the 2nd cache will also benefit. First of all latency will be there (the two caches are not connected). Secondly the second x3d cache cost money (presumably 100€ consumer end price), while games never use that second ccd, and rendering software doesn't use them, most of time. Conclusion, more expensive cpu to make, just as much latency, most of time similar gaming performance (a few rare times it might fix a software issue of wich ccd is used), and slower rendering cpu. The choice makes complete sense economicaly.
new a 4090 or 7900xtx to stress these CPUs
Yeah I'm scoring higher on the games with my 7900xtx paired with a 5950x, I'm itching for a new CPU, waiting on next gen I think though, hopefully they do a monster with 2 CCDs with v-cache
Bought a 5800x3d for $275 and was sent a 7900x3d. What a fun surprise now I’m buying new ram and mobo after I told myself just one small cpu upgrade lol
It's a good chip that can do both gaming and productivity, but got shifted because of the initial price, and the sister chips performing really well.
It performs worse in gaming when compared to 7800x3d, but that's because people are comparing it to the best gaming chip on the market right now. Remove 7800x3d from the equation and this chip is easily one of the best for this generation, destroying every non x3d and Intel chips out there. And the productivity performance are pretty acceptable, unlike 7800x3d that got beaten by midrange intel chips for this category.
I can't say this for everyone, but I tend to lock in my FPS at a certain point. So the extra 10% I would get from using the sister chips doesn't really matter that much, especially when ALL x3d chips hitting very high numbers in the first place.
But productivity is different. It's pure performance pumping. We don't "cap" our performance during these type of tasks, and this is where 7900x3d shines.
It has way better productivity than 7800x3d
It ran way cooler with lower temps than 7900x and most high-end Intel chips (you can save more with less robust cooling)
Its cheaper when compared to 7950x3d (albeit weaker performance)
Alot of people seems to think in the extremes. Gaming = 7800x3d, productivity = 7900x. What if I wanted both but I'm not rich enough for 7950x3d? Then 7900x3d is the answer.
Why was their pain i his voice when he was talking about the 3090
is the 7900x not cloaking 5.7 ghz??? i just saw 5.2 ghz
Single-Core (max Boost clock) :)
@@Nicolas11x12English ah ok, to complicated for me🤣🤗🤣
x3d ccd clocks is limited to that, Non X3d ccd clocks to 5.6 ghz.
5900x3d was my plan but never came out, then ryzen 7000 had some clear advantages, better node, 13% ipc, new platform advantages, upgrade path for cpu etc. Then 7800x3d-7900x3d-7950x3d came out. The 7800x3d while incredible, is just a little bit to much more expensive then 5800x3d (400€ would have been nice). The 7900x3d at 680€ was insane, dropped to 557€ but is staying there now. My calculations, predictions and price/performance feel, put the 7800x3d at 400€ target price, 7900x3d at 500€ or slightly less, this would give you less 3d cache cores, but 4 more for pushing some rendering work, also being very power efficient etc. But alas. Also something that put me thinking: 460€ for 7800x3d, if you add 50% of price, you get 690€ wich is the 7950x3d price. For 50% lower price i get 8 slightly faster rendering cores while keeping all other advantages. I like multitasking and just expecting cpu to solve it. After long thinking, and since i skipped two cpu generation wich would have been upgrade for me, i didn't mind paying premium.
7950x3d is now sitting in this pc. (replacing 8 year old Ivy Bridge 3570k) I'm glad you debunked the 7900x3d 'hate', because in 'Mark pc' bench it was clear this cpu is really nice. Only price is a bit meh. Power efficiency was big reason to get x3d cpu. During game and rendering, 7950x3d (and 7900x3d) offer most bank for buck (and ofc 7900 non X, although that one is slightly worse in gaming, but better in rendering Perf/watt.
Here in the US the 7900X3D just went on sale for slightly less than the 7800X3D. It released at $600 and is now at $430 from some retailers. This makes it an interesting deal as the 7800X3D is $450. I just picked up a 7900X3D for myself and am VERY happy with it. The 3D vcache means it plays games with the best CPUs. It pushes my Zotac 3080Ti AMP Extreme Holo with zero problems. Additionally the 12 cores and higher clocks than the 7800X3D make it very useful for power user stuff. Media creation, high end emulation, etc etc. 7900X3D is a fantastic CPU that just released at a whacky price point. It should have been the same price as 7800X3D with the understanding that you make a trade off between the two. For what I paid and for my uses it's just plain better than 7800X3D overall.
I would personally take this over the 7800x3d or 7950x3d. It’s currently $400 usd making it a much more sensible buy for my personal use.
thank you marcus
Simply a fantastic product. People forget to look at the long view. The processor's efficiency is excellent. Especially compared to Intel. And the price, yes that is true, but you get a lot in return.
The 7900 (non-X) will get you all the efficiency at a lower price. For some reason, at the moment the chip is priced a little high (it costs more than the X version), but even so it's still cheaper than the 7900X3D.
The 7900X3D can be have for $439 right now.
Currently, there is a $75 difference between 7800X3D in Korea. Especially, I think it is very meritful because there is little difference in game performance at 4K
my entry point with am5 are 7500f +a620i (10phase mb) so 7900x3d will be good upgrade path in few years
why no 7800x3d on this chart? Come on...
Now that the price is fairly close to the 7800x3d it shows the 7900x3d may be a little slower in games however it makes up for that in Productivity, IMO. I just picked one up for 389.00 20 bucks more that the 7800x3d. Its in the mail now. :)
Is a 7900x3d worth it, if it's the same cost for me as buying a 7900x = $300 ??????
how is it compared to 7800x3d?
oh my god bro be straight. WHICH IS BETTER
7800X3D OR 7900X3D
They are the same price
7800X3D - Only strict gaming
7900X3D - Gaming + workloads (Streaming, editing, programming...)
You want it more straight?
this CPU provide both Work load/ Gaming.
I dont care what others says. I have luved mine since I got it
The issue with it the heat and CPU get damaged because of that when it run multi cores
Really good video dude I just fully upgraded my whole pc from an 9th gen i7 to an ryzen 9 7900x3d, and a rtx 3070 to a rtx 4070 Ti also no more ddr4 I’m using ddr5 this video help me realize I’ll be fine for years running the games I wanna run
How are you liking the 7000x3d? Love mine. Benches show it beating the 7800x3d especially on more core intensive games. Sometimes. I get 144hz /fps on my 3080 so if it’s faster than that, I don’t know since I’m locked in.
720 not necessary
7900x3D is nothing short of amazing. I am biased I switched from a 5600x to this cpu with an upgrade from 6700xt to 7900xt. But I must brag some more on this processor. Best of both worlds! Oh and you can get one for 478.00 USD at the time of this post. 😁
Was it a noticble upgrade?
need to get FPS for the game RUST
The 7900x3d parks 6 cores in gaming and only uses the cores with 3d cache. So in gaming the cpu uses only 6 cores. Thats why it makes no sense if you are gaming. both the 7800x3d and 7950x3d is better for gaming they both use 8 cores with x3d cache. And if you want the best productivity and gaming you should get the 7950x3d. I think this cpu makes no sense.
It not using only 6 cores in gaming. Just inform yourself before writing everything please.
@@francoissmith5751 Look at the GamersNexes review of the 7900x3d he explains how core parking works and why the none 3dcache cores needs to be inactive for the game to run smoothly. The 7900x3d only have 6 cores with 3dvcahce unlike the 7950x3d and the 7800x3d that has 8 cores with 3dvcache so the 7900x3d will almost always perform worse that these 2 chips. If you understood how the x3d chips work you wouldn't have purchased the 7900x3d. I know you want to defend your purchase but you made a mistake if its for gaming. So its fine ur proud of your purchase if thats what you choose.
@@francoissmith5751 sure ? i want to buy 7900x3d but i dont want to buy a cpu which is just working with 6 cores for gaming. this is just my point to know. if im buying the 7900x3d sure that maybe some game needs 10 cores for this game that the 7900x3d can run this game ? or is ist realy just using every game with 6 coes?
@@francoissmith5751 Actually, yes, the 7900X3D uses only 6 cores with 3D V-Cache for gaming… Why? Because it has two CCD, one is for gaming and it use half of its Cores, yes, just 6 Cores with 3D V-Cache, the other CCD is used for other tasks needed for Productivity. The 7800X3D is a better option if you’re using it for gaming, since it has just one CCD which use all his 8 Cores with 3D V-Cache for gaming… You can look online for information if you want to inform yourself about it…
@@Just_BuriThe 7900X3D only use 6 Cores with 3D V-Cache for gaming… The other 6 Cores are used with another CCD for productivity
@Nicolas11x12 English Can you do simulated R5 7600x3D ?
I could, but I'm not sure if that would be the right thing to do. :D
It's not a BAD CPU, its just a rather pointless one. In productivity tasks, it is worse than the cheaper 7900X , and in gaming it's worse than the cheaper 7800X3D. Had it been priced a LOT lower, It might have its own little niche. Unfortunately its outperformed in both productivity and/or gaming by its cheaper cousins. Just doesn't make much sense.
Proud owner of this chip here. I like to see on Ryzen Master how it switch to CCD0 when I start a game. I choose this one for a lower price than a 7950x3d and more than 8 core on 7800x3d. Paired with a MSI x670 Pro board and it work really well. You need the latest bios (and chipset driver) to properly use the 3d v-cache. Also paired with 4060 ROG Strix (yes... I know, to upgrade) / 32 gig 7200 Patriot (run at 6000) / Crucial T700 Gen 5 SSD / 1300W psu EVGA / Windows 10 / Thermalright Assassin 7 pipes cpu cooler / Cooler Master storm Sniper Dragon Amd Edition.
wierd naming by amd imagine finding out 7800x3d is best gaming processor and finding 7900x3d for same price obviously 900>800 right boom buys it gets fucked
I find it quite funny how Intel only dominated the synthetic benchmarks and AMD beats Intel in actual real life gaming benchmarks.
now i respect the work that went into this however nobody who buys a 7900x3d is playing these games at 720p. most likely its 1440p and at that resolution you can see there is virtually no difference between x3d and standard part. really if you have a ryzen 7000 chip and play at 1440p or 4 k dont bother because even the fastest gpus cant make much of a difference
Depends if the games cpu bound. I love this chip in tarkov
In mmo, x3d is a must.
I got one for $275 usd on eBay
x3d is for gaming so tests other than games after the initial release are not necessary. you should've included 7800x3d comparesion to draw you conclusion whether 7900x3d is worth the extra cost or not. why testing some many X series cpus is just beyond me.
Dude, 720p benchmarks are you freaking kidding me? Not real world use case.
The 720p is due to having a GPU bottle neck and no observable difference unless he had a 4090 for testing while having all the CPUs.
The 720p benchmarks are within single digits with his GPU, imagine 1080 or 1440 without a 4090.
@@RainizLove Thank you. :)
Thanks for the test, but 7900x3d is just garbage chip. Will it run games in playable framerate? Of course, but it does not make a good product. The main ones are the lack of scheduler and its price. You can even see in these tests that the performance especially for 1% lows is inconsistent across all games tested here.
On top of it it barely manages to beat 13600k, which has way higher OC headroom as well, so tuned 13600k will be undeniably faster and that chip is ~75% cheaper.
For gaming you are effectively buying a 6 core chip for ~540$, its madness.
This product does not make any sense in current cpu market,
for gaming? if you want am5 platform, get 7800x3d, its actually consistent across wide plethora of game performance and is actually faster AND cheaper.
For productivity or mix of both? Get intel, choose your flavor 13700k/13900k They are both better at BOTH workloads.
7900x3d is a pointless cpu.
Thanks for 720p tests though :)
Thanks for your feedback! :)
All you said is based on old tests. All actual (from last month) test clearly show the 7900x3d results are equal with 7800x3d and 7950x3d in games. Slighty better than 7800x3d. So your theory the games use only 6 cores from 7900x3d is deffinitly not valid. Games clearly use all 12 cores, just 6 coress does not have access to aditional L3.
Ofcourse 7800x3d have better performance/value in games only. But saying it's garbage is saying bullshit. It's great chip for games and work, with amazing power effectivity and temperatures.
@@feleksdfsdf6271This is what I was going for, thanks for this comment. Plus I got the 7900x3d for $430 during Amazon Prime Day
I did a bid in ebay for 7900x3d and I'm hope I will win because it's going lower than $430 and its new:) can't wait.
SCAMD
Long time tech here, since 1996. I've have learned at least one thing, stay away from AMD.
Hey king, you dropped your clown nose
I recommend you re-learn then.