Because it is called Japanese Suite shouldn't be a signifier that it should SOUND Japanese. It signifies an Englishman visiting the Japanese. It's a beautiful work.
@@RobinsMusicIt is Japanese and all the movements but one were are Japanese folk tunes sung to Holst by a Japanese person. One of these is the very famous Edo's Lullaby.
Holst is known in Japan solely as the composer of The Planets, and few Japanese know that he wrote this. The 2nd movement sounds like Ryoichi Hattori's "Yamadera no Oshosan" (A Monk of a Mountain Temple) (1937), but Holst's is earlier. Perhaps both tunes have the same source, which I have not detected. Considering that this piece was composed at the request of a Japanese female dancer Michiko Ito, I suppose that she provided some Japanese tune either in the form of a score or a disk record.
I am afraid that the melody in V. Dance under the cherry tree (6:30 - 8:30) seems an exactly copy (cover, plagiarism) from "Nen-nen kororiyo", a lullaby sung in mid-Edo period. ねんねんころりよ ua-cam.com/video/eDp9ldwm8d0/v-deo.html
I had this piece in my classical music playlist but it disappeared from there, luckily it was in my "wach later" list as well so today i was reunited with this lovely piece.
This is truly outstanding! Although not Japanese sounding at all, to me, it carries an incredible aesthetic of beauty, peace, mystery. It's lively and spiritual and creative beyond words! Holst needs more love.
RebeccaETripp Yeah, it's very Germanic. But I was surprised at 6:40. He used "江戸子守唄( Edo-komoriuta)" without arrange. That is a lullaby song in Japan 300 years ago. He had great knowledge. (^_^;)
+RebeccaETripp I do not think it is a coincidence that the final movement is called "Dance of the Wolves". Japan had fought China in 1894-95 and gained a measure of control over Manchuria and over German ports in Shandong. In January 1915, Japan issued the Twenty-One Demands to China intended to bolster it's hold on those provinces. This was strongly opposed in Britain and it seems likely that Holst's awareness of this is reflected in the forceful and aggressive rhythms and discordant sounds of the last movement.
Wunderschöne Interpretation dieser orientalisch komponierten Suite mit farbenreichen und gut harmonisierten Töne aller Instrumente. Die geniale Dirigentin leitet das perfekt trainierte Orchester im lyrischen Tempo mit effektiv kontrollierter Dynamik. Echt bewundernswert!
The first part is by far my favorite it just punches me in the heart every time especially at 1:10 where it’s the violins and the harmony comes in. Tears pour. That part where it kinda switches into a major key also reminds me of the shire theme a little bit
The flutes at 2:20 until the end of the first movement sounds a bit like the flutes during the last third part of the Saturn movement in Planets. Inevitably, the suite wouldn't sound the same as, say, some of the classical repertoire from Akira Ifukube or Toru Takemitsu, but they certainly have their inspirational charm. It'll be interesting (and ironic) if this happened to influence the two composers and other Japanese classical composers of the 20th Century.
Cathy you are so right. IMO Holst's masterpiece is Egdon Heath (1927), a bleak evocation of the moor taken from the very beginning of Thomas Hardy's THE RETURN OF THE NATIVE. The passage beginning at 8:34 is the loneliest and most windswept passage in music that I know. It takes a few hearings to "get" it, but if you take the time, it will grip you forever. ua-cam.com/video/3jYDrrbo8r8/v-deo.html
What's so lovely about this piece is that is clearly inspired by the sounds of Japan in that time but not trying to be Japanese or a orientalist version of Japanese music. It's Gustav Holst's music after being exposed to Japanese influences and being inspired. I love this piece. So beautiful. Warm greetings from the Netherlands🇳🇱.
Does anyone else hear similarities with the bassoon and strings opening of the Song of the Fisherman and the oboe opening to the theme of Star Trek: Nemesis? If not, perhaps the music to the scene where Romulus is gradually zoomed?
What a good ear you have! Someone after my own heart in finding clips of the symphonic classics 'sneaked' into film scores and also having such in depth knowledge of 'Star Trek Nemesis', the film it's not (so far) cool to like!
@@WoFfan13 that's great! It's my favorite Woodwind instrument. The closest I can come to playing the Oboe is when I play their concertos on my Piccolo Trumpet.
The main melody of the 2nd movement has a distinctly Japanese shape to it. Whether it's an actual Japanese tune or not, I have no way of knowing, but it does sound like some of the melodies one hears in old pieces for the traditional Japanese ensemble of voice, shamisen, koto and shakuhachi. (See UA-cam vids of any of these three instruments.)
I just heard this on the radio and the commentator said that Holst met a Japanese Dancer who whistled some traditional Japanese tunes to him. He transcribed them and used them as a basis for the piece. The commentator was quite apologetic incase it offended people for not being as "Japanese" as it should be. The tunes may not be 100% correct but it's still lovely. Hope this helps...
This music is real Japanesque . I am astounded that this performance is incomparable and exquisite . . From Tokyo in Japan where is within your imagination . Which national are you watching this video ？
If Paul Barrett, commenting in another thread on this video, is correct, that would be because Dance of the Marionette is the only section not sourced from a traditional Japanese tune.
yes...YES! I was going to say The Same Thing! But then I saw YOUR comment and so I didn't want to Repeat you. Actually, though, now that I reflect upon it, what I AM going to say is 'VERY nice.' Yes, that's it! Regards from Mexico......
I wonder how could you get high quality copy of a music played at year 1900 as you say !! Was there Opera house in Japan back on that time ?!! If so, this piece of music would turn into UNESCO world heritage & would be priceless !
1. We all like this music and are grateful that it was posted. 2. The music is not Japanese, which shouldn't surprise anyone because Holst was English. 3. Music is like food. If you go to a Japanese restaurant in London you get food that tastes like this music.
And why specifically number 6 , you called it dance of the wolves ?! I remember only the wolves chasing Prophet Joseph trying to take him away from beloved father & thinking to kill him.
Too, it recalls Obadiah 1:4 -- "Though you soar like the eagle and make your nest among the stars, EVEN FROM THERE SHALL I BRING YOU DOWN! sayeth the Lord!"
ホルストは凄い人だと思う。
海外の作曲家が日本イメージの曲を作ると、多くが中国イメージにしてしまうが、ホルストは違う。正しい日本イメージを伝えている。天才だ！『惑星』だけが、ホルストの天才性を表現しているのではない。
Because it is called Japanese Suite shouldn't be a signifier that it should SOUND Japanese. It signifies an Englishman visiting the Japanese. It's a beautiful work.
But for those versed in Japanese music and culture, it does feel Japanese.
The part at 2:31 definitely sounds like it has Japanese influence
He didn't went to Japan. The melodies were given by a Japanese dancer, who whistled Japanase melodies to him.
But it sounds very Japanese lol
@@RobinsMusicIt is Japanese and all the movements but one were are Japanese folk tunes sung to Holst by a Japanese person.
One of these is the very famous Edo's Lullaby.
Holst is known in Japan solely as the composer of The Planets, and few Japanese know that he wrote this. The 2nd movement sounds like Ryoichi Hattori's "Yamadera no Oshosan" (A Monk of a Mountain Temple) (1937), but Holst's is earlier. Perhaps both tunes have the same source, which I have not detected. Considering that this piece was composed at the request of a Japanese female dancer Michiko Ito, I suppose that she provided some Japanese tune either in the form of a score or a disk record.
Interesting comment, thanks! Did you end up finding a source?
I am afraid that the melody in V. Dance under the cherry tree (6:30 - 8:30) seems an exactly copy (cover, plagiarism) from "Nen-nen kororiyo", a lullaby sung in mid-Edo period. ねんねんころりよ
ua-cam.com/video/eDp9ldwm8d0/v-deo.html
NORIYASU NAKAJO I don’t hear any resemblance.
Apparently Ito supplied all the themes to Holst except the Marionette Dance.
貴女の説明は素晴らしい‼️
I had this piece in my classical music playlist but it disappeared from there, luckily it was in my "wach later" list as well so today i was reunited with this lovely piece.
Congrats for finding this masterpiece!
I am Japanese.
Today I found this score.
What a surprising found!
If you please.
If you were Japanese you would write日本人です。
今日こんなスコアを見つけました。
なんと驚くべき発見があったのです！
@@GbcloooLooono
This is truly outstanding! Although not Japanese sounding at all, to me, it carries an incredible aesthetic of beauty, peace, mystery. It's lively and spiritual and creative beyond words! Holst needs more love.
RebeccaETripp
I did not know that Holst made a piece like this. I feel the Japanesque such as a lullaby song of my country. I love it. (^_^)
It is indeed lovely. Yes, the subtle Japan touch is there, but it's very Germanic too. It's sort the Europe version of Japanese sounds.
RebeccaETripp
Yeah, it's very Germanic. But I was surprised at 6:40. He used "江戸子守唄( Edo-komoriuta)" without arrange. That is a lullaby song in Japan 300 years ago. He had great knowledge. (^_^;)
It is a nice piece.
+RebeccaETripp I do not think it is a coincidence that the final movement is called "Dance of the Wolves". Japan had fought China in 1894-95 and gained a measure of control over Manchuria and over German ports in Shandong. In January 1915, Japan issued the Twenty-One Demands to China intended to bolster it's hold on those provinces. This was strongly opposed in Britain and it seems likely that Holst's awareness of this is reflected in the forceful and aggressive rhythms and discordant sounds of the last movement.
It's a Holst day, I can feel it.
Wunderschöne Interpretation dieser orientalisch komponierten Suite mit farbenreichen und gut harmonisierten Töne aller Instrumente. Die geniale Dirigentin leitet das perfekt trainierte Orchester im lyrischen Tempo mit effektiv kontrollierter Dynamik. Echt bewundernswert!
The first part is by far my favorite it just punches me in the heart every time especially at 1:10 where it’s the violins and the harmony comes in. Tears pour. That part where it kinda switches into a major key also reminds me of the shire theme a little bit
that part makes me cry too, awesome
Fun fact, those are actually Violas carrying the main theme. The violins are playing 8th triplets underneath :))
2:30 is the best part. Reminds me of the Japanese Imperial Palace. (3:08 especially)
The flutes at 2:20 until the end of the first movement sounds a bit like the flutes during the last third part of the Saturn movement in Planets.
Inevitably, the suite wouldn't sound the same as, say, some of the classical repertoire from Akira Ifukube or Toru Takemitsu, but they certainly have their inspirational charm. It'll be interesting (and ironic) if this happened to influence the two composers and other Japanese classical composers of the 20th Century.
I am glad thatUA-cam suggests this beautiful music to me today.
Beautiful discovery. Thank you.
Lovely, sensitive, Holst has much to offer aside from "The Planets".
Cathy you are so right. IMO Holst's masterpiece is Egdon Heath (1927), a bleak evocation of the moor taken from the very beginning of Thomas Hardy's THE RETURN OF THE NATIVE. The passage beginning at 8:34 is the loneliest and most windswept passage in music that I know. It takes a few hearings to "get" it, but if you take the time, it will grip you forever. ua-cam.com/video/3jYDrrbo8r8/v-deo.html
What's so lovely about this piece is that is clearly inspired by the sounds of Japan in that time but not trying to be Japanese or a orientalist version of Japanese music. It's Gustav Holst's music after being exposed to Japanese influences and being inspired.
I love this piece. So beautiful.
Warm greetings from the Netherlands🇳🇱.
This is my favorite Holst work.
"If you take from one artist, they call you a thief. If you take from many, they call you ... a genius!" Picasso.
And all of the suites are great and beautiful!
Appears to be the inspiration for John William's "Across the Stars" in Star Wars especially around the 6 minute mark.
Excellent. Thank you so much for posting this newer recording of this work. BRIAN
Wonderful bassoon solo!!! ♥️
Does anyone else hear similarities with the bassoon and strings opening of the Song of the Fisherman and the oboe opening to the theme of Star Trek: Nemesis? If not, perhaps the music to the scene where Romulus is gradually zoomed?
Also, there is a short part from the theme to Star Trek III: The Search for Spock that has similarities to this piece.
What a good ear you have! Someone after my own heart in finding clips of the symphonic classics 'sneaked' into film scores and also having such in depth knowledge of 'Star Trek Nemesis', the film it's not (so far) cool to like!
I didn't know this music from Holst. Thank you.
Wellez, you are amazing in your offering's width and breadth.
I love the Oboe part at 7:20
I agree. I actually play oboe!
@@WoFfan13 that's great! It's my favorite Woodwind instrument. The closest I can come to playing the Oboe is when I play their concertos on my Piccolo Trumpet.
The main melody of the 2nd movement has a distinctly Japanese shape to it. Whether it's an actual Japanese tune or not, I have no way of knowing, but it does sound like some of the melodies one hears in old pieces for the traditional Japanese ensemble of voice, shamisen, koto and shakuhachi. (See UA-cam vids of any of these three instruments.)
I just heard this on the radio and the commentator said that Holst met a Japanese Dancer who whistled some traditional Japanese tunes to him. He transcribed them and used them as a basis for the piece. The commentator was quite apologetic incase it offended people for not being as "Japanese" as it should be. The tunes may not be 100% correct but it's still lovely. Hope this helps...
Did anyone find anything?
Gustav Holst:Japán Szvit Op.33
1.Nyitány:A halász dala (Senza misura - Andante sostenuto) 00:00
2.Ünnepi Tánc (Allegretto quasi andante - Molto pesante) 02:31
3.A Marionett tánca (Allegretto con spirito - Moderato) 04:04
4.Közjáték:A halász dala (Andante) 05:43
5.Táncolni a cseresznyefa alatt (Lento - Morendo) 06:30
6.Finálé:A Farkasok tánca (Allegro agitato) 08:30
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Me parece increíble que sin existir el cine esta música suena a williams, a horner, a shore....sin palabras. Obra maestra
This music is real Japanesque .
I am astounded that this performance is incomparable and exquisite . .
From Tokyo in Japan where is within your imagination .
Which national are you watching this video ？
Excellent.
masterpiece that makes us feel the emotion of Japan
He's keeping an open mind and letting the impressions speak for themselves.
There was no studios for clarifying the sounds of music like this
Master work as always
I lvoe this
basic instinct & lord of the rings main themes, source of inspiration at 1.27
True.
Valery Pasanau THATS SO CRAZY I THOUGHT THE EXACT SAME THING
Love The Dance of th Marionettes. Redolent of Venus from The Planets
7.20 oboe solo over trem strings- Slow movement of Mahler 6
The melody in Dance under the a cherry tree is literally just Komori Uta. A traditional Japanese lullaby lol...
Masterpiece!!
As a Japanese, "dance of marionette" doesn't sound like a traditional Japanese merody...
But I really love this suite.
hehehe, "merody" good one.
bruh this rice nigga really done that
If Paul Barrett, commenting in another thread on this video, is correct, that would be because Dance of the Marionette is the only section not sourced from a traditional Japanese tune.
Come to Canada im your biggest fan!
nice
yes...YES! I was going to say The Same Thing! But then I saw YOUR comment and so I didn't want to Repeat you. Actually, though, now that I reflect upon it, what I AM going to say is 'VERY nice.' Yes, that's it! Regards from Mexico......
@@steveegallo3384 sure, my nice means very nice actually
5:49 ❤️
The "Dance of the Wolves" sounds appropriately evil.
I wonder how could you get high quality copy of a music played at year 1900 as you say !!
Was there Opera house in Japan back on that time ?!!
If so, this piece of music would turn into UNESCO world heritage & would be priceless !
I understood that the actor who visited Holst sang the tunes as he listened.
4:10 I thought about Indiana Jones and his father escaping the Nazi.
1. We all like this music and are grateful that it was posted.
2. The music is not Japanese, which shouldn't surprise anyone because Holst was English.
3. Music is like food. If you go to a Japanese restaurant in London you get food that tastes like this music.
The music is Japanese except for 1 movement. One of the movements is the very famous Edo's Lullaby.
Hello everyone in 2021.
"dance of marionette" sounds a little far like Stravinsky's Petruska...
I suppose they are both about puppets, but I see what you mean!
Some musical instruments used , I wonder if they were even invented back then on that time 1900 or before as you write.
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I cried at 4:24
good
Hi I know this is a long shot, but does anyone know the name of the painting shown in the video??
Did this inspire the 1999 Mummy's soundtrack?
Barely even Japanese but catches the mood and exotic nature of the East westerners had during the 19th Century
The Eternal Anglo that was the point. Not to imitate the sound the Japanese had created for themselves, but a European’s view on the culture of Japan
They are all Japanese tunes except one. One movement is the very famous Edo's Lullaby.
Ⅲ part of this work is similar to Mercury of his Planets.
And why specifically number 6 , you called it dance of the wolves ?!
I remember only the wolves chasing Prophet Joseph trying to take him away from beloved father & thinking to kill him.
Too, it recalls Obadiah 1:4 -- "Though you soar like the eagle and make your nest among the stars, EVEN FROM THERE SHALL I BRING YOU DOWN! sayeth the Lord!"
1:50
Doesn’t Holst make a lot of Suites?
日本人おる？
ハーイ ノ
I feel like when johns Williams scored memoirs of a geisha he may or may not have drawn some inspiration from this work.
Some parts sound like Harry Potter
Japanese style and tonality with European instruments...? 🤔
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