Top Five Sci-Fi Dreadnoughts
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
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Spacedock, please think about doing another verses episode!! How about a Wraith Hive Ship vs a Mercury Class Battlestar? The Battlestar's flak field vs the Hives Dart complement could be very interesting! 👍🤞
Spacedock The Nova is definitely a good choice for the list, though I think the definition of "dreadnought" comes from the 1900s version, as Wikipedia states:
"...The designers of dreadnoughts sought to provide as much protection, speed, and firepower as possible in a ship of a realistic size and cost. The hallmark of dreadnought battleships was an "all-big-gun" armament, but they also had heavy armour concentrated mainly in a thick belt at the waterline and in one or more armoured decks. Secondary armament, fire control, command equipment, and protection against torpedoes also had to be crammed into the hull."
That definitely sounds like the Nova class in a nutshell. huge guns of the same size, crammed with as many features as possible in a small space, in a realistic size and cost.
Spacedock
I’m curious, at what point does a ship stop being a ship and starts being a mobile space station?
For example, the Death Star and the Supremacy.
The Death Star is MASSIVE, mobile, FTL equipped, and more than capable of controlling an entire system on it’s own (this doesn’t even touch on it’s superweapon).
The supremacy meets all these same criteria (minus superweapon) and is capable of producing and maintaining their fleets main battleships.
So why is one considered a ship, and the other a mobile space station?
Spacedock Wanted to also comment on your comments on both the Eclipse and the Executor. I find it hard to believe that a modern-day aircraft carrier carries only half of the Eclipse's entire fighter wing. That's one thing I've never understood about Star Wars, is their pitiful fighter compliments for their massive ships. With a ship the size of the Executor, I could easily see them carrying ten times that, and still have plenty of space for everything that the ship carries. It really boggles my mind that they undersize the compliments so much.
Also... the Jem'hadar Dreadnought? Probably my favourite Star Trek ship ever. Good choice.
I dont get why anyone would disliked the Destiny Ascension.
I am not a SiFi purist in the vain that a ship doesn't necessarily need to "work" as a space vessel.
Also all Asari ships have the same base design so disliking the DA is disliking the Whole Asari design
Executor super star destroyer: “I fear no ship, *[points at an A-wing]* but that thing, it scares me.”
THE_KRAKEN that’s a stupid and lazy end to that ship.
@@gusp6612 ,
It's properly using its greatest design flaw... an exposed bridge to full effect...
@@gusp6612 The ship suffered great damage to the engine causing it to go into the gravitational pull of the death star.But the bridge was the only thing keeping it in place until the bridge was destroyed.Also Akbar said to concentrate all power to that super star destroyer.But I do agree on screen it is underwhelming.
@@aralornwolf3140 I never got the argument that a bridge is a bad idea.What if the ship is disabled and holograms can trick you.
@@frostyoreo8657 ,
*Sigh*
There is a difference between a view port, which is what you're arguing for, and the bridge.
Here's an excerpt from pages 357 to 358 from Manxome Foe first paperback edition written by John Ringo and Travis S. Taylor:
"Any ship, even a Dreen ship, is going to have brain, muscle, and lungs," Berg said. "That's the way one of my teachers put it one time. The brains on a normal ship is the conn. The muscles are engineering. The lungs are environmental. Kill anyone of those, and the ship stops. Well, actually since it can probably shift brains, the exception is conn."
"And if we kill the ship, we kill ourselves, Preister pointed out. "If we take it down, the _Blade_ and the Hexosehr will blast it to pieces. And that assumes that six marines can even _can_ take it down."
"Got a better idea?" Hinchcliffe asked. "Then that's the plan. We need to figure out where the brains, the lungs and the muscles of this ship are."
"I would suggest we wait on engineering," Berg said.
"Reason?"
"Well, Staff Sergeant, I don't know _how_ to shut down a fusion reactor," Berg admitted. "And unless you've taken a learning annex I don't know about..."
End Excerpt
For context of shifting brains, the ship they were on was a dreadnought. It was the flagship of a small task group composed of itself, a carrier, 2 cruisers, and 12 destroyers. There should be a bridge for the captain of the ship and a bridge for the flag officer who is in overall command of the task group. There might even be an auxiliary bridge just in case one of the others is destroyed during action.
Placing the bridge at the front of a ship and giving it a view port is understandable when it's a civilian ship which is designed to land on a variety of planetary surfaces, at spaceports, and in space stations -- Where a view port would be useful in case of an emergency landing. Example: Freighters, transports, yachts, and the like.
Warships on the other hand... are not civilian ships. The brain needs to be protected. If the enemy knows where the bridge is, a concentration of fire could overwhelm the ship's shields and impact on the bridge, taking out all organized resistance of that ship. If that bridge has the flag officer commanding the battle on it, the loss of direction by the admiral will cause confusion in the admiral's forces. Confusion, even temporary, is one of the things which will doom a navy in battle.
There are exceptions to the above rule for small warships which are fast and/or maneuverable (so concentrated fire can't target the bridge or, if it did the ship was going to be destroyed anyway) and are expected to land on planets or dock in space stations/other ships. Example: Gunboats, Gunships, Corvettes.
The ship we were talking about is the Executor. She's a flagship. The admiral needs to be protected. Due to her monstrous size of 16km length, there is only one system with space stations in which she can dock at, and that's the system which built it; Kuat. For every other location, all supplies will be delivered to her, even if she parks next to a space station, no one wants to make a mistake and allow her to collide with them.
If, for whatever reason, the navigator's station is not working correctly, the navigation's officer can communicate with the people in charge of sensors (radar, lidar, visuals) to get a fix of everything around them. If that person can't, then the tactical officer should be able to do so from the targeting computers of each weapon. If all else fails, there's the communication officer capable of asking other ships for details. And if there is no response, prepare to be boarded by the enemy, lol.
Seriously, if a warship is disabled, it is dead in space and its only hope is to make repairs before being boarded.
I've never heard anyone describe he valiant as a "ship full of Wesley Crushers" but that is perfectly accurate
Nah a ship full of Wesleys would've found a way to win through techno nonsense. The Valiant crew was just a bunch of arrogant gungho morons who couldn't take down one lone Jemhadar fighter without using six quantum torpedoes.
The fact that it WAS a ship full of Wesley Crushers was the only reason I could forgive the writers for having blasted a Defiant-class out of the skies... Always considered him as well as the Valiant's crew a bunch of stupid kids.
More like a "ship full of people who believe they are Wesley Crushers but are actually Harry Kims".
Ah yes, the Star Trek Babies episode.
@@CeJay2000
honestly, seeing the essential hero ship getting basically run over by an enemy so far out of its weightclass its not even a contest, was a great experience. It drove home the point other episodes made about the defiant: An invincible ship this is not.
Oh how the defiant fans raged.
delicious.
When you fly with Orcs every ships is dreadnought
Well their war moons are special
Random Guard member looks up into the sky. Sees bunch of Orks hanging together linked by their arms.
"I'm a dreadnought, I'm a dreadnought, I'm a dreadnought."
Welp, I'm out.
*Gets shot by Inquisitor*
HERESY!!!!!
Enact Exterminatus Protocols.
Just remember to bring lots of grog.
For da waaaaaaaaaaagghhhh
"A ship full of Wesley Crushers"
Truly the Federations most vile weapon.
though a couple of decades later the federation had a golden age of online boardgame content
Some say its a WAR CRIME
God i hated Red Squad and their irritatingly arrogant bridge crew. Wesley had more modesty than them, or at least pretended to. I was grinning when they got blow to pieces.
I really felt for Jake Cisco in that episode.......
Truly a crime against humanity... given that it would ruin our reputation throughout the galaxy.
Just put them on screen and tell them to shut up.
As a guy who studies naval history, I love how the Dreadnought's name still carries the weight that it did in 1906, however it also bugs me cause its just lazy how the term just means 'a stupidly bigger battleship', while some of the ships labelled as dreadnoughts are game changers, most of them are just not well thought out and are just called that for the sake of it. Thankfully this video shows some of those ships that are worthy of the description
True, though I would consider both the Wraith Hive and Ancient Auroras as good candidates.
I had the same thoughts and i'm kinda ticked of the UNSC Infinity wasn't there. Its said in lore to be so much of a technological improvement that it made Battleships from the war useless, exactly like the HMS Dreadnought did in 1906
I really want to laugh at the possibility of dreadnaughts seeing little to no action and ended up being destroyed by carrier borne strike craft.
Just like real life.
Dreadnought heavy cruisers be like XD
@@michelecastellotti9172 "Dreadnought heavy cruisers" that.. a little redundant. a dreadnought is generally (in sci-fi at least) already supposed to be a "heavy" (as in armor and weapons) ship, and a cruiser is a whole other type of ships whish as nothing to do with a dreadnought. there is nothing wrong with simply calling it a dreadnought.
not to mention that while "heavy cruiser" works, "battleship" would be more appropriate, unless battleship is already used as a broad term to describe anything battle capable.
The Intro of the Executor with the Imperial March Theme makes it legendary
The feeling of Holy Shit that you feel when an Imperial Class gets a shadow cast over it. Not passing over it, it just gets swallowed in darkness.
Me:*sees the Executor's intro*
Also me: NOW THAT'S A LOT OF SHIP
Kevin J Anderson does a good job of introducing one in Darksaber, where they reveal the Executor-class Night Hammer. Something similar, but this one starts as a barely visible area where the stars are blocked out, growing larger and larger, until they order the running lights turned on and the whole thing lights up and awes everyone who was wondering what was being built out there.
@@sethb3090
But Anderson also had done a bad job by saying the executor alone nearly bankruped the empire.
I mean, the empire build two death stars but the executor was to much?
You guys may know this, growing up with the Star Wars schematics books, they always said the Executor was 8,000 meters long, still huge compared to the 1600 meters of the Imperial class. However, when they when back and looked at the originl model for The Empire Strikes Back, they realized it had originally been intended to be 100 times as massive as the Imperial class, or 19,000 meters long, actually 1500 meters longer than the Eclipse class.
If the Eclipse didn't have those rail systems, the entire Dark Empire series would have been over before Palpatine made it to his throne room.
"This ship is too big. If I walk, the movie'll be over."
@@ChakatBlackstar Hail Skroob
There's a Reddit or something about how the Executor crew became tribal and split into factions that became independent nations…
Does anyone have the link.?
casbott that’s the super duper star destroyer. I think it’s called the Ultra class? Eckharts ladder did an episode on fan ships and mentioned that reddit story.
@@theonewingedangel8680
The Imperium class ultra star destroyer. The post talked about how the bridge crew was getting vertigo from the multi mile tall windows, and the engineers started their own nation called "Re'Ak'Tor." Brilliant.
“Light speed is too slow-we’re going to have to go right to ‘Ludicrous Speed’”. -Dark Helmet.
they've gone to plaid
-Barf
What's wrong Colonel Sanders? Chicken?
- Dark Helmet
@@corranaven7425 Aaaa, I see your schwartz is as big as mine
-Dark Helmet
I mean...it's a funny joke, but looking at interstellar distances, light speed IS way too fucking slow. Like, going light speed takes THIRTY YEARS to get to Trappist-1!
Yeah where is Spaceball 1?
"Do everything" ships can be written well so long they don't excel at everything. A Jack of all trades should be a master of none. Multi-role ships make a great deal of sense when utilized by factions with limited resources. While it is better to have 3 ships that each do one thing extremely well, some factions can only afford to have 1 ship that does 3 things passibly.
It also makes sense for a navy that expects its warships to operate far from friendly homeport for a very long time. You'll notice that one of the contrasts between cold-war US fleet and cold-war Soviet fleet is how very specialized Soviet warships were. Due to the doctrine, Soviet navy has the luxury of staying in rather small water, so they can afford to specialized their ship for a specific role, while American warships are expected to operate deep within combat area, and thus they have to be ready for everything.
Though, the development of vertical launch system that every missile can fit effectively rendered the whole concept mooted, as you can simply switch missiles to make one ship as specialized as you like.
Agreed, it costs more to design (and perhaps build and maintain, except that one of them is probably a specialty maintenance ship) multiple specialist ships, should be more combat effective under a good commander versus an equal number of comparative multi-purpose ships.
The Executor class is a beautiful ship. Magnificently elegant.
And think it almost didn’t happen.
George and the director didn’t believe the model makers had the time and budget to build a special ship, and just wanted a different colored Imperial Class as Vaders flagship.
The model makers convinced the higher ups they could do it, and in their spare time designed and built in in a few weeks, just in time for it to be filmed.
It's a shame that the only great scene it gets is the intro :/
I guess I will always be bitter about the way it went down. And to think that this scene was probably intended to make viewers happy for the rebellion and what not.
That's cool. I didn't know that.
Great history, thanks for the info.
One of my favorite things about the Executor in Legends was how much damage Rogue Squadron did to the Lusankya at Thyferra, but there was still so much ship left. It really felt like attrition against its weapons and engines was the only thing that stopped that battle from going on for days. I also really enjoyed how the Thrawn trilogy emphasized how much the loss of the Executor at Endor hurt the Imperial Navy, with most of it's crew being the cream of the crop of upcoming officers.
I've made one in my online series. I call it The Dauntless. It's the first of it's kind and is essentially a gigantic troop transport with a huge amount of ablative plating. It's oversized because it has a huge amount of redundant systems to the point it can be broken apart and the individual sections can seal themselves off and continue to endure. This honking vessel is large enough to work as a mobile drydock and even in areas of the galaxy where it can make full use of FTL travel and Artificial Gravity it has a central corridor with artificial gravity designed to help soldiers get around faster with the aid of a magnetic rail. It's weakness is that for it's size it's guns are outright pitiful and it's absolutely crushed in digital warfare on three separate occasions and if the soldiers taken by slaver raids weren't massively over-trained commandoes then the story of Out of Cruel Space would be very different.
The Dauntless is basically a mobile army base including diplomatic, repair and even production facilities. It's not the base that's dangerous, it's the men in it.
Progenitor Dreadnought from HomeWorld 2: Am I a joke to you?..
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE SAJUUK-KHAR
I guess it is a joke
well It is also my favorit. So there is that. Maybe he should a T5 for movie sci fi and a T5 for vidya games. This dreadnought has to be included in a T5.
@@Airwave2k2 Yeah, it's strange- he always covers a mixture of games and movies, but I don't recall HomeWorld ships ever getting any mention- strange because it's such an iconic and hugely popular game till this very day. Also, HW3 was just announced so.... yeah....
@@SuicideNeil I don't see a lot of vids on Homeworld. Not the popular ones anyway. I don't see it top any charts on twitch.
I think you guys need to do a Top 5 FTL Effects. Which FTL's have the best visual effects (unless you've already done it)
My personal favorite is the Destiny’s FTL from Stargate Universe
My favorite would be the Warp effect from Star Trek Nemesis. It was a bit updated from previous movies and yet simple enough to be beautiful
Star Trek The Motion Picture please. It was aggressively awesome.
And I prefer First Contact's to Nemesis'.
Gonna have to say the spore drive from Discovery. It was different from the usual blue flash, streak into sunset look from the other Star Trek series, which I found appealing.
That tragically brief warp drive shot from Star Trek Beyond is easily my favourite. ua-cam.com/video/gCCYWTAA2wQ/v-deo.html It just hits the concept of a bubble of bending space around the ship right on the head. Beautiful.
Jokie155 THIS. THIS. THIS. THIS. And THIS! By far ‘the’ best effect. It was stunning and beautiful and should have been used again - especially for Discovery when they are at Warp.
*#1 Spaceball one can't change my mind*
It could do EVERYTHING including vacuuming and scrubbing the kitchen sink! It did not, however, do windows, and its sensor systems seemed particularly vulnerable to raspberry jam.
@@liljenborg2517 brilliant response lol
@@liljenborg2517
Megamaid was also able to suck and blow.
How is the sojourn going so far spacedock?
1 ferengi ensign, 1 war correspondent, and 95 Wesley crushers! All in a top of line federation warship.
VS 1 purple dreadnaught boi
"Spacedock Short"
Happens to be longer than most episodes. 😂
If this were a top 10 list, I would include the MCRN Donnager. I remember the line the first novel when Holden and another person were talking and the one person said, "I heard this can kill a planet." To which Holden replied, "That's nothing. Give me an airlock and enough anvils, and I can do that. This (the Donnager) looks like it can kill whatever it wants."
The Donnager got whacked by the equivalent of a pt boat.
@@toomanyaccounts I think it was more the equivalent of a squad of pocket battleships
In a top 10 - I would also include the GTVA Colossus: ua-cam.com/video/NpuaiOyBW5c/v-deo.html
In its universe, the most epic dreadnought ever constructed.
The Scimitar will always hold a special place in my heart. When Data is reading off the tactical specs and the bridge crew is all shook, that will forever be etched in my mind.
It’s definitely an effective scene. It lets the audience that this ship is a force to be reckoned with. Not to mention mode sci fi need to give detailed specifications for their ships lol.
9:25 - kick the cap out of a ship full of Wesley Crushers :)
Instant win!
The only this that grinds my gears in the eclipse class is the CO-Axial Superlaser
Co-Axial WITH WHAT?!
Tanks have the main gun and a Co-axial Machine gun
Co-ax weapons are slaved to something else
@@khadenallast4495 That's the point
If the hull where aligned with it it would be an Axial weapon - Co-axial indicates it is slaved to another weapon's targeting
I thought co-axial meant that the weapon had two axes, so that the gunner can maneuver the gun better from a stationary position.
Look at how they're mounted. Gun, axis 1, "rod", axis 2, axis 2 mounting point (turret hull for a tank).
Mass Effect dreadnoughts technically have coaxial main guns, coaxial with the rest of the ship.
@@TiernanWilkinson Again, Those are not Co-axial
A weapon aligned with the body is an axial weapon
Axial meaning it is aligned with the ship's orientation, its axis or rotation
Co-axial means a weapon that has a shared axis slaved to a separate weapon's axis
Dude of course, it is slaved to Palpatine's will
Ori Mothership? Large enough to fill a supergate from one edge to its opposite, carries hundreds of fighters and ground troops, is equipped with a plasma lance projector that can detonate most opponents in a single shot and a spherical shield that can withstand nearly anything thrown at it. If anything qualifies for "Fear Nothing," it's this.
Wot?
Gotta love those flying toilet seats! :)
BeyondDaX, ua-cam.com/video/UNeS7qMMvbw/v-deo.html
Alright, I'll concede that the Executor-class is truely terrifying.
I still remember playing X-Wing vs TIE Fighter: Balance of Power in the Rebel campaign, one mission requires you to patrol a hyperspace beacon and perform close flyby scans of the incoming Imperial fleet. The moment towards the end where the SSD jumps in is still stunning - this giant slice of terror that blots out the screen.
also a shout out to the Rogue Squadron series on Gamecube - #3 had you fly through the cityscape of an under construction SSD and it really hammers home the scale of the thing
3:16 Also in the third game it's revealed that they had a giant stash of Prothean technology which they were keeping from the rest of the galaxy. Characters would occasionally talk about how advanced the asari were but the Destiny Ascension was one of the few things you could point to as an example of that superiority.
You know, the Jem'hadar Dreadnought reminds me of some Decepticon Transformer ships seen in recent media.
The final level of Fall of Cybertron comes to mind. I think it used to be Trypticon?
Decepticons do love their purple.
The structural design of typical Decepticon ships more closely resembles some Asgard ships rather than Jemhadar. The O'Neill class in particular. Or the Vorchan and Primus classes of the Centauri.
I love the way you almost always include a Babylon 5 ship in your clips! Best and my favorite shows of the 90’s!
Awww, no love for the ludicrous battleships of The Imperium of Man?
I'm not aware of any 40k warships being refered to as dreadnaughts
@@Dreska_ Neither are half of the ships he mentions in this list, half of them don't have the name dreadnaught in it, and i've never heard someone use this name to classify them, specially the Executor, wich himselfs says "Executor class" if Dreadnought is a classification, then its an Executor class, or vice versa.
Its biased because the fanbois are butthurt once someone brings in 40k, thats all there is.
40k ships shoots shells bigger then other franchises ships.
"17000m, thats huge", every darn Space Marines chapter has at least 3 Battlebarges and they're at minimum 18km and can transport a whole darn Chapter Company...
Not directly, no, but certainly the likes of the Gloriana-class Battlebarges that were the flagships of each of the Legiones Astartes during the Great Crusade would qualify as dreadnoughts due to their status and sheer mass, even over the ridiculously OTT vessels of the GrimDark, and each was a system denial vessel in their own right. And the likes of The Phalanx of the Imperial Fists or Abbadon's Planet Killer dwarf even those....
@@Mugthraka Except you're wrong...?
Nova Class Dreadnought
Destiny Ascension Dreadnought
Eclipse Class (Star) Dreadnought
Jem'Hadar Dreadnought
Executor Class (Star) Dreadnought
All of these are dreadnoughts in the lore. A dreadnought is already a very specfic thing in 40k and its not even a ship. It doesn't make sense to start calling other things in 40k dreadnoughts. Thats not being butthurt its just common sense, I don't know why this seems to be a controversial opinion.
I do agree there are ships in 40k that would be classified as dreadnoughts if they were in a different source material, but they're not. 40k has its own names for ships beyond battleships.
Personally I think using 'dreadnought' as a class or term meaning something like 'super-battleship' is dumb anyway, it doesn't even mean that in the real world, and using it implies that the source material can trace its history back to WW1 Britain which is simply not possible in some fictions
This comment caused me to turn off the video :(
The Nova-class dreadnought is basically the Nova-class Frigate in 40k (Same size, same name... Different weapons though)
The Schimatar from Star Trek Nemesis was pretty impressive
Was hoping to see the Covenant CSO class supercarrier on the list. The thing is like 27km long.
only 27km
The cso is a lazy and kind of stupid ship. I get a one off aset for a ship with limited screen time takes resorces but taking an existing aset and just upping the size is pathetic especially when its supposed to be some big awe inspiring sight.
It's a Supercarrier not a Dreadnought.
The key is in the name, SuperCARRIER.
Yeah and no Warhammer 40K Dreadnought.😢
I truly love the sass you're starting to drop in these videos. The assemblage of sentences, with complex structure, hard hitting opinion based on fact and sprinkled with a perfectly relevant and well researched taste of design critique is making these videos so enjoyable - because we've all either thought the same thing or just love hearing someone else say it.
For some reason to me executor always looked unfinished (/rushed to service). Always felt that topside cityscape was supposed to be formed into armored superstructure (like fractalsponge´s belator), bottom should have armor cover for engines and nowdays I would say it´s superstructure should house axial onager style siege weapons/ultra-long range antiship cannons.
supprised you didn't include any of the titans from EVE, especially considering they're not "Do everything" ships
Was expecting atleast an avatar honestly
I saw "Empire Strikes Back" in the theater the day it was released.
The sequence introducing the Executor super star destroyer was literally break taking.
John Williams theme added SUCH much to that scene.
Pity we didn't see Nova and Omega class using its missiles ( due to budget cuts and not to destroy all other ships way too early), I mean these rows of little round hatches all along the sides of the ship's hull were intended to be missile silos and in fact its primary weapon ( and we saw how deadly can be missiles in space i.e The Expanse series )
Thought the primary weapon were the 'energy mine projectors'-- the two oval gun tubes on the chin of the ship below the launch bay. Essentially, they're a pair of railguns that throw out nuclear bombs.
We might see them in the reboot, depends how it goes.
I think my favorite sci fi dreadnaught has to be Oryx’s dreadnaught from destiny
Oryx's dreadnought could easily annihilate any/all of these even if they were to attack it all at once. There's no comparison.
The ship has weaponry that literally transcends physics. It's also the size of a small planet.
Its so large only the Exclispe Superweapon could even harm it, debatable if the Death Stars could tho
Spacedock: "..And in 1e place its the amazing Executor class! "
MCRN Donnager: "Am I a joke to you?"
Donnager would be raped by an executor .
“Kicking the crap outta a ship load of Wesley crushers” best description ever
Another reason the Eclipse is a great one, is because it was probably many people’s *first* space dreadnaught. It set the scene for dreadnaughts in the future
Also, I’m mostly a fan of Star Wars, but I’m surprised no Warhammer 40k ships made the list!
That guy is just all about Mass Effect, Star Trek, Star Wars and Battlestar. Sometimes will sprinkle some Halo, Stargate, Expanse, Babylon 5 or some retro-sci-fi from his youth. He never went into exploring anything outside of his core interests.
But there are no Dreadnoughts like ships in WH40k
Let's be fair, if we determine dreadnought status by tonnage or beam length, then given the #5 on the list, we'd have to include every ship in 40k larger than a Sword-class frigate, with only the Cobra and Widowmaker-class destroyers and Viper-class sloop clocking in smaller. If you throw in firepower as a measure, we might be able to move the dreadnaught line up to the CL/CA mark, as they're typically the smallest to carry Exterminatus-grade weaponry.
As a franchise, much as I love it, it's just comically oversized, really.
That said, I would go with one of the Gloriana-class battleships. ~20km of nastiness, each intended to lead the fleet of a legion (plus their supports). Granted, they had some very different configurations (no two alike, with the possible exceptions of Alpha and Beta, the two assigned to XX Legion).
@@ala5530 in Warhammer 40k Craftworlds murder ships the size of Dreadnoughts in other franchises.
So I get why none are on this list, because 40k dialed everything to 11 so Dreadnoughts are nothing special there.
@@davidnguyen5183 Gloriana Class Battleship/BattleBarge: Am I a joke to you.
Spacedock, please think about doing another verses episode!! How about a Wraith Hive Ship vs a Mercury Class Battlestar? The Battlestar's flak field vs the Hives Dart complement could be very interesting! 👍🤞
You might be right but as we've seen in BSG, a Battlestar can take a lot of punishment and still put out an impressive display of firepower. Also consider that in SG:A the Wraith never really faced anyone with a decent amount of fighter support, that could mean the Colonial Viper pilots more comprehensive training could win out against the Wraith drone sworm and destroy tactics. Finally I don't think you can dismiss the Colonial Jump Drive for attack and retreat options as well as Raptors mass jumping in close with a overwhelming nuclear barrage. What do you think?
Your point is well taken. Do you have any ideas for a Verses matchup?
It might be from a video game but it was a SciFi video game... The Dammerung from Xenosaga was a hell of a dreadnaught, as was the Durandal
The Nova Class Dreadnought is one of my favorites in Babylon 5. It blew me away when it was parked outside of B5 in the episodes GROPS
curious what your thoughts would be on Oryx's Dreadnaught from Destiny.
One thing i love is that Oryx's Dreadnought is basically a plug for his throne world
Calmputer EXACTLY
According to the canon lore, the Destroyer was used to get it past the Senate, as a Destroyer is seen as smaller and less war-like then Dreadnought, also those gigantic guns are used for anti-fighter work, in addition to the interceptors
Which continued on with the Warlock class. Funnily enough it's an idea they got from the Royal Navy which couldn't get approval for a new class of cruisers and destroyers in the 70's so reclassified the cruisers as destroyers and the destroyers as frigates to get the approval.
I'm missing the Hand of Sajuuk - such an iconic piece of hardware and the plasma vents lighting up when charging the coaxial beam was an experience to witness all by itself.
"Bring Sajuuk to bear!"
@@Commander_Applejack
"But I can't find the bear?!" - Karan S'jet probably...
Daniel's number 4:" ships that can do everything are not that interesting to me"
number 1: "So here's the executor"
You should do a video about the Cairn-class tomb ship from Warhammer40K.
Well technically doesn't Tomb-WORLDS also capable of interstellar flight?
@@Mugthraka there was only one World Engine. But that's also an interesting topic.
My favorite quote from Spacedock from a video a long time ago “Dreadnaught, fear nothing” idk it stuck with me for some reason
Edit: He also said this at the beginning of the video so yeah 😂
From a battleships history documentary: "it's an old english word that literally means: fear nothing, and it's an old name in the royal navy, one fought against the spanish armada, another fought at trafalgar". Also it was the name of the first "all big guns" type of battleship launched before WW1 (naval historians actually define ships in a pre-dreadnought / post dreadnought classification, it was that revolutionary when it launched). So you see why it kind of stuck :) plus the brits are good at giving cool names to warships :)).
The _Revelation_ class is my #1 for sure
I am missing Spaceball 1;)
I also loved the Peacekeeper dreadnoughts from Farscape where people were born, raised and trained and perhaps never left. It even had parks, for training of course:)
Very nice, but NO Wing Commander Dreads like the Concordia or Midway? The Kilrathi Dreads?
He's probably too young to even know about Wing Commander.
@@TemplarsWildFire No, he's done quite a BIT of WC stuff!
Lol i cant believe youtube do this again no view 2 like great video spacedock keep upbthe good work and remember to stay healthy
Excellent episode with great thought. Thrilled you listed the Executor as #1. I suspected you would...and you did!
I had to look it up to refresh my memory, but that Dominion ship reminds me of the Draconian flagship in the cheeseball 1970s Buck Rogers TV show. Maybe it’s the tuning fork prow.
8:00 Wait a second THAT ship is in a ST series?! It looks GORGEOUS! No kidding the more i learn about DS9 the more i'm interested in seeing it
@@Xondar11223344 : It's long-form style also made it more effective for plot development & such. The early episodes seemingly suffered as a result, but I'd say that's more than compensated for by the reduction of the restraints imposed by other series' "stage play of the week" format.
DS9 holds up the best of all Star Treks. It's story format was ahead of its time, the character development was highest level, the characters also all had immense charisma, and the subject matter is still relevant...hell more relevant, today.
It takes a while to grow on you, but it has some of the best episodes in Trek.
Dunno about gorgoues, but at least it doesn't look like some hippies decided to glue some dildos on the side of a frisbee and call it a vessel...
So thats something i guess
Quote of the day: "Glad we got to see it kick the crap out of a ship full of Wesley Crushers." 😁
Awesome,. One of your best videos. I remember as a kid (16) seeing the Executor first appear and I was awestruck. More videos
I laughed out loud at "...a shipload of Wesley Crushers..."!
"Glad we got to see it kick the crap out of a ship full of Wesley Crushers."
HahHa SHUT UP, WESLEY!
"I'm about to end this man's whole career."
-High Admiral Anton Trejo
Someone been reading book 7 of the expanse series?
Precisely.
Thank you Daniel for the letting me know about the expanse audio books. Just started the first one.
I love how your short videos are sometimes longer than the regular ones^^
I think the Scimitar from Star Trek Nemesis could take that Gem-Hadar vessel one-on-one.
The Scimitar was technically designed to fight Jem'Hadar ships lol.
The Romulans learned their lessons after the loss of the Tal Shiar/Obsidian Order fleets at the Founders homeworld. (loads of lore behind it, issue is some of it will be labeled non-canon as it's in comics/novels and games vs televised).
Now that you mention it, that makes perfect sense. If the war with the Dominion hadn't ended when it did, that probably would have been the next class ship put into mass production.
The scimitar was OP. Incredibly maneuverable, crazy good shields, perfect cloaking. Basically no weaknesses except for ramming. "Perhaps today IS a good day to die!"
Easy win for Scimitar.
Pfff! The best sci-fi Dreadnaught is CNV-301 Dreadnaught. Obviously.
Seconded. Given the lack of I-War coverage on this channel I must only conclude that the team are unfamiliar with the games and their superb but grounded ship designs
Never thought I would hear someone mention that ship.
TheOneZytel Would you dig up my grave?
Dreadnaught Class Corvette, you uncultured swine! ;-)
@@Thumblegudget I beg your pardon?
I need to play the whole game though, because I only experienced the demo for both the original and expansion. It is on my wishlist on GOG, so the time will come. :)
Pretty good list, wasn't expecting the Jem'Hadar dreadnought but I'm glad it's there.
I swear you said 'Dildar War'. That made me giggle a lot.
Executor: "it's a lovely do-everything ship, cuts through space, beautiful, blah blah"
Vengeful Spirit: Am I a Joke to you?
Vengefull Spirit ftw, nothing is more bad ass than a giant ass battleship imbued with the power of the Warp that has lost Archeo-technology with a highly intelligent and vindicative "IA" ( sort off) with cannons large and wide enough to shoot the empire state building at other ships...
And thats just tuesday.
Oh for fuck sake! I love 40K but it aint got nothing on the emotional impact the first 3 star wars movies pre Special Edition had!
@@slitor yes. However. The video isn't "most emotionally impactful films in scifi" it's "top 5 scifi dreadnoughts"
And the Spirit never got downed by an interceptor smashing into the bridge :P :P
@@vincediscombe7360 of course its the one and same, silly you.
The Jem’Hadar “dreadnought” is not a dreadnought... It’s a Battleship, yes the Feds May coincided it a dreadnought, but if the faction that built it don’t consider it one, it isn’t...
I mean "Dreadnought" is just a different term for a Battleship. There is no actual difference.
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There are many battleships in real life that aren’t considered dreadnoughts, the only was that is, is the USS Texas.
@@pollall2793 actually all battleships prior to the building of the HMS Dreadnought are Pre-Dreadnoughts and as such not Dreadnoughts. The Japanese Mikasa is one example of such a ship and is still maintained as a museum ship. And battleships following that (the Dreadnought) and designed based on that are Dreadnoughts. So all Dreadnoughts are battleships but not all battleships are Dreadnoughts.
"It’s a Battleship, yes the Feds May coincided it a dreadnought,"
Actually, seeing as the entire episode is from the Valiant's perspective and they call it a battleship, that would imply "battleship" is Starfleet's classification for it and not necessarily the Dominion's. In other media, such as Star Trek Online, the ship is a Dreadnought Carrier. You can argue STO isn't canon, but it could be why Spacedock went with the Dreadnought classification for this vessel.
@@NihilusShadow all dreadnoughts are battleships
My favorite part about the executor is how there looks to be an actual high rise city around the bridge.
I've always been a fan of the Shar'Lin class: beautifull, deadly the product of a race that does not cut angles to bring stuff fast at the front, but also not invincible when countered by more adavced "old races". It is the best and more advanced ship from the oldest if the young races and it shows that.
Yay Spacedock uploaded, I can't wait to see what big, baddass ship that can reduced planets to molten rock gonna be on this video!
Gonna get a lot of flak for this, but i have to said this... Not a single mention of Forerunner or Imperium of Man ships. Most of the ship on this list aren't worthy of the tithe Dreadnought! The Glorianas and Mantle Approach are considered ones of the strongest vessels ever to sail the stars, but not even a footnote in this video. They are literally, the embodiment of FEAR NOTHING! But a flying hair dryer of the blueskin-tentacles head is fourth place?
Dreadnoughts (DN) Chuck’s Favorites 2019 September 2
5. Donnager-class (The Expanse)
4. Portent Of Darkness Comet Empire Dreadnought (Space Battleship Yamato)
3. Federation-class (NCC-2100) Dreadnaught (Star Trek: Franz Joseph)
2. Executor-class Star Dreadnought (Star Wars)
1. Apocalypse Class (Warhammer 40,000)
“At-ats” I love you, because that’s what I called it as a kid and I will forever call it that as well. A little disappointed you didn’t take the fan film footage Battle of the Dreadnaughts, but I understand if you weren’t able to use that footage
I have a question for Spacedock: I don't see much sci-fi game ships on your channel. Is this on purpose?
@Doctor Tophat Derp, now I feel like an idiot. I was, however, thinking more in terms of PC games like EVE Online, Elite Dangerous, and Star Citizen
@@BlackReaps Just discovered the channel less then a week ago. Already seen some Wing Commander and even Freespace.
Wait... no BSG Gallactica? No Warhammer 40K?
My favorite Dreadnought has to be the Colossus from Freespace 2.
Probably most people don't even know about that franchise, sadly. My all-time favorite space sim combat game.
Beautifully considered and eloquently articulated. Really enjoyed watching this. Even fancy doing a little collab on Halo Ships, you let me know. Take it easy man.
_"And now we're getting into some of the truly ridiculous stuff."_
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_"...the First Order's giant ridiculous mega thing..."_
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Y not 40k The phalanx you know the banana bus for the Imperial fists
The phalanx is barely a dreadnought. More like a small man made moon
It's a space station
Two things
One it’s not the space station it can move
Tow it being a moon ye you rite
@@mastersergeantjojam8069 Its not shaped like a ship then its a space station. If it looks like a big old box of bananas then its space station
The ISS in real life doesn’t look like that and space station means an object that cannot move into something like that or a bit of a planet
Great selections.
Executor-class ship is nice... When I played the Xwing vs Tie Fighter: balance of power. We had to cut off its supplies, Destroy fuel tankers, destroy food shipment, destroy medical supplies, and a bunch of other stuff. We even destroy tie fighter parts delivery. In the end, you had to destroy as many supplies as possible. Starve the crew. Cut repair parts off and when they are running low on fuel, we had to destroy it before the reinforcement arrives. Destroy the 2 shield towers and ion the torpedo until the computer goes down and drop a blockade runner full of space bombs right into the bridge while taking out the remaining functional tie fighters. After that boom, no more Executor ship.
If you could mount rail cannons with space bombs, you could do more damage that way. It will only work with capital ships.
All Hail the mighty Executor!
Lord Vader would be pleased.
then it get's hit by a A-Wing, loses deflector shields then sufferes severe damage and plummets into the death star and blows up....
all mourn the Executor!
I’m gonna be honest I dislike the Eclipse class. Something about it just strikes me as really...dumb. Idk.
It plays second fiddle to the Executor. It feels a little contrived, because "hur dur Executur + death star lasur", but that could just be natural evolution of dreadnought design. You could say it's an upside down elf shoe, but if banana shape is best shape for one-shotting other dreadnoughts then that's just function over form. That said, Executor is just more awesome.
@@Arashmickey Exactly. Like, the shape of the thing isn't so bad, I think it could actually look quite cool, but like the bridge design is even dumber looking than normal Imperial design, the engines usually look pathetic for it's size, like this thing is basically immobile when not in hyperspace, the superlaser thing seems really just...extra outside of a dedicated siege ship, it's starfighter capacity is pathetic for a ship it's size, 10 interdictor bulbs are just unnecessary, most of the things about it just seem...not engaging at all.
I get the exact same feeling. Could not tell you why.
I loved the scale of the Supremacy. How it lobbed the shots made it seemed bigger because of the range.
the keel bow really put me off personally.
I honestly didn’t expect to see the Jem Hadar battleship here. I thought: hmmmm dreadnoughts, obviously it’s all gonna be from Star Wars. Still happy to see it though.
"Kick the crap out of a shipfull of Wesley Crushers." Ok you win the internet for that one, I almost spit my drink on that one.
Where is the Warhammer 40K stuff? They have so many ridiculous ships like the Phalanx and the Gloriana class for the Imperium, but all other mayor factions have thier titan ships too.
Madtoffel Premium The Phalanx is a battle station and Gloriana Class are battleships technically not Dreadnoughts
I think the Cairn-class tomb ship used by the Necrons can be considered a dreadnought. By the way, it's my favourite WH40K ship.
Valters Plūme Cool
He doesn't know Warhammer 40k. In fact there's tons of universes with excellent ships that he never explores (eg. Homeworld, Freespace, EVE, Honorverse come first in mind)
@@SkywalkerWroc ,
I believe most of the youtubers stick with Sci-Fi series which have books, TV shows, and movies made about them. Especially the latter two. This insures that there is an audience interested in their videos.
I love the Honourverse series myself. It's a well designed universe with clearly defined laws of physics which all of its technology needs to obey. It even had small little ship models (for a table top strategy game. I should have bought HMS Nike [Reliant Class BC] then) in stores around 10 years ago.
I understand why people don't use it... and since the largest ships are Super-Dreadnoughts... they wouldn't have fared well in this list... maybe RMN's Sphinx class Dreadnoughts. *Shrugs* Yet, they are obsolescent pieces of crap now. :(
40k need not apply, shame.
I don’t know what makes a ship a dreadnought, but the Narada was pretty terrifying. Along with any Reaper ship.
About time he does Dreadnoughts
shame on you, no gloriana class battleship....
What?
@@BeyondDaX flagships of the primarcks from warhammer, to put them in perspective they are 20-26km long making them at least 1km longer than a executor, yet they still super bulky like all imperial ships, a example is Macragge's Honour
@@nitebones1 Huh alright. Now I am curious about those ships.
@@BeyondDaX sadly in the lore most have been destroyed, one of the best stories is the blood angels ship, they crashed it into a planet, turned it into a temple, and after some time towed it out
Until their inclusion in the BFG:Armada 2 RTS, we didnt even have clear stats/weapon counts on Macragge's Honour and Vengeful Spirit, let alone the other Glorianas. (and I know that while MH's design looks close with previous depictions of Glorianas... VS's model in game looking like a massively enlarged Despoiler/Desecrator I think has had some people scratch heads) And we all know GW's... inconsistency when it comes to fluff texts on these awesome ships. As much as having them on a list like this may seem awesome, until GW gives something like a full ship stat guide or something, I cant blame Daniel for not including 40K ships.
I am simple Imperial citizen; if I don’t see WH 40K Imperium of Man ships, I don’t press like button 👍🏻.
Yeah, gimme a real Emperor Class :P
PHALANX, Gloriana class(the vengeful spirit) Apocalypse class, emperor class, and any battle barge.
Well I am a REAL Imperial citizen and see the Executor at number one so thumbs UP.
at full capacity the executor class could carry thousands of tie fighters
I want to see an Executor class done in a 40k style or Lantean style from Stargate Atlantis. Making the cityscape on the top legitimately city like, with towers and such. Like "Hey we care about you so little, we can have these thin fragile towers right in plain sight and you won't even touch them".
Personally my favorite dreadnought is the Klingon Cleave ship, from Star Trek Dicovery S2.
Very intimidating and alien in design.
Glad someone likes it
Come on Spacedock, no Eve online ships? You keep referring to ships with specific roles making a good navy. Well my friend consider the ships from Eve Online.
Are we going to recycle STAR WARS, Star Trek, Babylon 5 with a little Galactica and Stargate the whole time?
my sentiments exactly Rensc 42.After all even a Drifter Battleship would make mincemeat out of an Executor and an Eclipse rather easily,so could a Triglavian Leshak.How about it Spacedock???
@@Tonydjjokerit That's because Drifter BB's are fucking scary, and as they will never be in the players hands they can make them literally as powerful as they want to. CCP has to balance Eve's ships around the combat, sure, we as players abuse everything we can, I somehow doubt that CCP expected a moderate sized Corp to own and regularly deploy 6 Titans and 32 Supercarriers. Why do I say this? Admittedly, my Corp is Super and Cap heavy (and yes, I am one of those Titan Pilots), but those ships are not corp owned assets.... They are *personally* owned, 6 personally owned Titans in a corp, each one of those, plus its fits, plus the FAX for your Fax alt, plus the implants will not leave you much change from 90 Billion. This is BEFORE you factor in the Force Recons for your Cyno Chain (which, lets face it are chump change compared to the Titan!). But we can drop 6 of them plus 32 Supercarriers and 20 FAX's!
Wonder how that would look at say the Battle of Endor!
Admiral, that first big one is losing armour... we are seeing..... (voice trails off as the FAX's remote reps hit then 6 Titans doomsday! while the Supers are throwing warp disrupt and Neut fields about like deranged children... and THEN the Heavy Fighters arrive!)
And where’s the Space Battleship Yamato?
I really wish you included Farscape Scarran's Dreadnought. Love the look of that ship!!!
Just found this great channel, subscribed! Would love to hear your thoughts on some of the ships in Legend of the Galactic Heroes or Sins of a Solar Empire!