I know some of you may comeback to watch this clip after Subaru's recent GBF streams. All I have to say is "Oh boi, that was some character development right there"
@@Noawen know the difference its like this: Five stage of grief: 1. Denial 2. Anger 3. Bargaining 4. Despair 5. Acceptance Five stage of gatcha hell: 1. Denial (of course i get SSR i have many chances to roll gatcha) 2. Anger (WHYYY??!! WHERE ARE YOU SSR!!!) 3. Bargaining (please... please... just one SSR) 4. Despair (its hopeless... i can only roll once more... rate up is a lie...) 5. Salt (GATCHA!!! GATCHA!!! GATCHA!!!)
@@starburst98 Azur Lane have pretty good rates for drops, it's reasonable. Because the company is based in China. Now as for most Japanese based games... *cough* FG *cough* O... It's literally hell.
@@starburst98 unless you are unlucky you can get all ships in the game without spending money. They make money off the skins. Dock expansion is the most limiting factor from what I hear
@@mercenary128 To an extent. If you're whaling just to get the max level on your favorite card, that's fine. If you're whaling to get the best units, that's also fine. But then there's this one FGO guy who used 5 star cards P2W and even some whales would kill for... as EXP fodder for a 1 star card. That's just wasteful whaling.
@@mercenary128 you sound like someone who you should be spending their time at my casino. And i have to say you are looking very handsome, good sir. :)
As someone who plays gacha and has mostly avoided spending money on it (I only ever bought currency for a pull once), I agree. Plus mobile games always close eventually, so you won't even be able to keep them like physical trading cards. Nor can you sell or trade them like physical trading cards.
Troublethecat That's why the big brain play is always to go f2p, and get involved for the community instead of the game. That way, those pictures aren't just pictures, and you don't have to pay a single cent for it. Only way to big brain whale is if you get the money back in some way from it(sponsorships, ads on your videos, collabs if you are a cute popular girl like the two addicts in the video, etc).
I whale but for skins. The way they try to justify it by saying its for the character and for the people who work on it when they know its not true makes them look kind of stupid honestly. They should outright say its for them and it would garner more respect
@@pineapplekun8769 contrarily, it could be you who looks stupid if that's what they actually mean. Making those justifications that "it's for the character" could very much be a joke; and the only reason I have any insecurity in that statement is because there's some guy is married to Hatsune Miku and several years ago, a guy who married a video game(Love Plus?) character. Both who held an actually ceremony. I'd have more confidence in my statement otherwise.
Also, think about it, @@pineapplekun8769. What they say is not entirely wrong, not only with gacha games, but pretty much any online game in general. They use the money to fund the people who work on it as well as being able to do more things (maybe a collab or something). In that way, they're working not only for themselves, but also for the players who technically helped sustaining their life for their passion and satisfaction. So, basically, it's not stupid. It's just one way for us to look out for each other.
Although Subaru is right, these two Gamblers (a.k.a. Gacha addicts) were justified in their rages. So far most vtubers were sponsored by these mobile game and silly apps that had gacha, micro-transaction, add ons, DLC. That is why they work hard to promote, advertise and even downright shilling them. Splashing a harsh cold reality is counter-productive to their effort and revenue. What was she thinking!?!?
well in the end you dont own anything in a gacha game whatever you spend money on it or not. the company grants you the usage rights for their server to make an account and the rights to use their in-game content. but if they wanted/had to they can shut the game down and you lose everything you payed for with no rights to a compensation. thats why its stupid in my eyes to be a whale. when you can lose hundrets or thousands in cash at any given point in time and for any reason all youre left with is wasted money.
Ah, it’s almost like the DLC argument all over again. And why EA was voted to be the worst gaming company in the US. But I think whaling is fine as long as you can have the lost money back. It’s their money anyway, they can do whatever the hell with it.
@@Geheimnis-c2e Don't be sad. Because dating sim is better than real dating lol. Let me give you some sermon... *Ehem First, you only need to spend your money *once* on the beginning. It's a "one time investment". And if you're a pirate of culture, you can even get it for free!... though if you have the money, please just buy it to support the dev! You give them money, they make a fan-disc, spinoff, or even another game! It's a win-win! Second, in case you get bored of your girl(s) or your girl(s) is different than what you think , you can repeat step number 1 to pick another dating sim. AND you don't need to throw away your old one. You can make a harem instead! You also don't need any breakup drama for it! And lastly, dating sim always end with a good ending. Like you get together with the girl you want, have some fan service like dating etc, and done! At most (but uncommon), the finish line is wedding and live happily ever after~ but in real life, after that "good end" is where the true problem will start... and remember... there's no save and load button... so if your current "playthrough" on irl is already messed up... there's no turning back lol Spread this word of truth to them who doesn't aware the wonder of dating sim, visual novel, or eroge. The world need to learn about this blessing from God! Amen
While I will never let myself spend on a gacha game again, and try to save my friends from 🐳, it does support the game. Look at Symphogear XD Unlimited, the Global version wasn’t profiting enough so they killed it; however, their Japanese version is doing so well they’re putting it on PC.
@@gunnermike4553 "It's their money and it's their choice. Nobody's pointing a gun at their head and forcing them to *(insert unhealthy addiction here)* "
The whole stream was basically Fubuki and Suisei corrupting Subaru down the path of a whale. She had to go over her 20k yen budget to get the guaranteed SSR pull. She said she'll probably never do a gacha stream again and was reminded of Mio's advice that "gambling is bad" and how scary it is.
Most people rejected her message Duck : Wait, but this Kalim is just a *Card, isn't it?* Imposter Cat : *OÏÌÎ* Psycho : *_WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY?_* *_They hated Duck Because She Told them the Truth_* - Subaru. 1:14
Well she isn't actually (cmiiw). In one time, she was trembling of uncomfortable due to Okayu was taking her to the Anime cafe or something like that lol
When you realize you can download the PNG in HD you start to analyze if the game still is worth it. Various times isn’t. The gameplay and/or the story in many gachas are pretty generic sadly. I still play some gachas but just when I feel like it. I don’t worry anymore about getting “that” character, skin, card or item.
What was controversial about it? It was all true. They ARE just pixels. And the management company doesn't need the money. The cost of making new items in a gacha game is embarrassingly low compared to the income they produce.
It's best to think of gacha whaling like obsessive collecting. There is some truth that whales also contribute to the game they support, they believe that the game is good enough to say "Hey, I feel like spending money and supporting the devs!", but that isn't usually why people whale. People tend to whale for collection purposes, or gameplay purposes. Gameplay purposes are a little less understandable in my eyes, as if a near F2P account can do basically everything you can just at slightly worse efficiency, then what's the point of spending 1000+ dollars? However, I fully understand whaling for collection purposes. If you remember the days of old, when things like baseball cards, yugioh cards, pokemon cards, etc were all new and popular, people would go NUTS to collect those. Some people still do! Especially for games like Magic the Gathering and such, collection is a very important aspect for a lot of people, and the rarity of cards influenced how pricey they were to buy outright, thus making it almost more cost effective to gamble on card packs. Comic books also were part of the collection culture and a lot of early comic books became super expensive because of their collector's value. Same with gacha games. People have the urge to collect and make their favorites the best they can be. That way they can happily use/show off their favorites/collection to others. So while I understand the very correct words of Subaru (It's just a card...), I also get why it's MORE than just a card. That said, remember kids, be responsible with your money. Whales earn their money usually through some sort of support in their respective communities. At least the video based ones do.
At the end of the day these things are still just unnecessary objects. I don't think that people should be so attached to materials unless they are special with it being an important present from a loved one or a family heirloom.
You are ok with what you have, failing to draw your favourite character, imperfection of a collection. When you stop getting angry after not drawing your favourite character, you've lost twice.
But those are only PNG's not a physical thing or anything is worse because at the end of the day you get nothing.I would understand if you get prizes like real cards but not.
The game I whaled in, shut down so I can't ever use those rare characters again. So all that money is literally gone. I don't whale anymore because of that.
I _used_ to spend some money on gacha games, but I haven't in a good while. Felt bad doing it at times, which made me stop. The only exception at this point is FGO's yearly guaranteed SSR - not for anything else. For anyone who plans to get into gacha games, you really do need to be careful. It _is_ almost like gambling, despite what you might hear from the lifers. Budget yourself (even if that budget is $0.00).
One time and the first time I spent $50.00 on Arknights Gacha to get Chen, it felt great to be able to get her but then... My heart ached so much and the feeling of regret was so stronk later on...
As an F2P player most of the time, whales literally fund all of your experiences lol so be grateful I’d say. “Thank you for paying the devs so we don’t have to.”
Suisei: "Kalim could have his yakiniku banquet with the money that I whaled for him" Me: BUT YOU COULD HAVE USED THAT MONEY FOR YOUR OWN BANQUET WITH THAT MUCH THEN! I will never understand whales.
I was once a gacha addict and honestly I agree with Subaru, spending large amounts of money on gacha is wasteful. I play Brave Frontier, Azur Lane, Fate/GO, Arknights, Bleach Brave Souls, and FE: Heroes and between them since I started playing the first one (Brave Frontier back in 2013) I've probably spent a little over £5,000. Not once have I felt like that money was well spent, but I kept doing it anyway because I wanted the Bismarck or the Okita Souji or the Che'en. And let me tell you, I only even have one of those three I just listed, despite spending all that money.
I revently spent more than i would ever rationally have thought i would on genshin and i swore off it shortly afterward, its just too easy to fall into that habbit for almost no return. I feel the same way about microtransactions in games without gatcha or lootboxes, ie once u get a nice skin in apex it suddenly doesn't seem as cool as it did when i realize the price I love single player games and it inwardly makes my cringe when i realize that i could have supported an indie dev for the same price as some stupid skin they probably threw together in a couple days at most
Well I mean, gacha games and getting character was never a thing because the character at all, it is because you want to be the one who got the super rare character, it's that satisfaction what your searching, I have played some gachas and some that comes to my mind are fate go and arknights where you can literally use super rare characters from another people as support. The thing is it doesn't matter if you can play with the character, the thing is you play that character after you get that character, even if you level it up and then let it be forgotten cuz you already have a team that works better than with that said character xD
Reydriel I’m a seasonal dolphin and not a whale but we do? Also I kinda don’t have any more space for merch from all the gunpla I’ve built and having your waifus and husbandos in game is safer than having them displayed since you might want to keep your affection for anime characters secret from your family who you don’t always know when they will come see you. And if you squint hard enough you can make the argument that it’s their money and they can buy whatever they want just like how vegans shouldn’t force others in buying vegan food instead of whatever they’re buying I guess?
The mobile market has been destroyed by this types of games, and it's sad to see people defending this games and the ultimate destructiveness that is gambling addiction
@@snoopyodig1137 Nevertheless there are still good mobile games. But I also dislike all the gacha stuff. However nowadays there are mainly two ways how to make money on the mobile market: Small games with advertisings and gacha. And that's pretty hard to change. No one pays full price for a mobile game. It's strange, but that's the current situation.
I’ll never get gacha because to me what happens when you eventually become disinterested in it? If you’ve sunk an abhorrent amount of money into some virtual pictures there’s not going to be any form of return past the shot of dopamine and adrenaline you got hit with the moment you pulled something good. Doesn’t it just eventually turn into a monument of shame unless you indefinitely keep periodically tossing money into it?
This comment is a reminder that Subaru, despite abhorring paying for gacha, succumbed to Katalina New Year's skin and has joined Fubuki and Suisei in that pay for a gacha game camp.
I know some of you may comeback to watch this clip after Subaru's recent GBF streams.
All I have to say is
"Oh boi, that was some character development right there"
Well well well.
Can't wait for subaru to be mocked by them
B-But GBF's characters are called skyfarers/crew members, not cards, right? It's the thought that matters, right?
Indeed, how the tables have turned.
The character arc on this is top tier
Now where is the Hololive gacha game?
What a brave girl.
She has the heart of a lion but the strength of a duck.
but she has whisper voice of the damned and tortured
@@EvanAxel yeah exactly . A duck. Donald duck.
@@mercenary128 she can, but they outnumber her
She is very brave. Considering both of speakers have energy of huntress around them.
Why a duck? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
“No such thing as wasteful whaling” stage 1: denial
@@Noawen know the difference its like this:
Five stage of grief:
1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Despair
5. Acceptance
Five stage of gatcha hell:
1. Denial (of course i get SSR i have many chances to roll gatcha)
2. Anger (WHYYY??!! WHERE ARE YOU SSR!!!)
3. Bargaining (please... please... just one SSR)
4. Despair (its hopeless... i can only roll once more... rate up is a lie...)
5. Salt (GATCHA!!! GATCHA!!! GATCHA!!!)
Azur lane is surprisingly high drop rates. I got all the hololives when it had their event and I spent no real money.
@Moo farming shedu ? xD
@@starburst98 Azur Lane have pretty good rates for drops, it's reasonable. Because the company is based in China. Now as for most Japanese based games... *cough* FG *cough* O...
It's literally hell.
@@starburst98 unless you are unlucky you can get all ships in the game without spending money. They make money off the skins. Dock expansion is the most limiting factor from what I hear
The Chad F2P Duck telling the facts against the Whale Comet and Cat
The Whales then proceeded to turn The Chad duck into a Whale duck for Kalim
Its the fact actually, else where did they get more fund to continue
@@mercenary128 To an extent. If you're whaling just to get the max level on your favorite card, that's fine. If you're whaling to get the best units, that's also fine.
But then there's this one FGO guy who used 5 star cards P2W and even some whales would kill for... as EXP fodder for a 1 star card. That's just wasteful whaling.
@@howareyoumoreofaclownthanme No such thing as wasteful whaling when it gives us Babylonia anime and Camelot movie.
@@mercenary128 you sound like someone who you should be spending their time at my casino. And i have to say you are looking very handsome, good sir. :)
Subaru: Its just a card right?
*Coffin Dance*
i can picture fubuki just humming that song when someone says something that triggers her
Not just the coffin dance,
The FBK COFFIN DANCE
Tell that to any fgo player no matter f2p or whale will trigger them lol
@@haloweenSDGO as fgo players, theyre not a card. Theyre a pixel
@@haloweenSDGO No not really most of us know that we just don't care about that
But they're just pictures
The entire Granblue, fgo, azur lane, gfl fanbase: ｂｒｕｈ
Feh and Dragalia fanbases: _LAUGHING IN F2P-FRIENDLY_
As someone who plays gacha and has mostly avoided spending money on it (I only ever bought currency for a pull once), I agree. Plus mobile games always close eventually, so you won't even be able to keep them like physical trading cards. Nor can you sell or trade them like physical trading cards.
Troublethecat That's why the big brain play is always to go f2p, and get involved for the community instead of the game. That way, those pictures aren't just pictures, and you don't have to pay a single cent for it.
Only way to big brain whale is if you get the money back in some way from it(sponsorships, ads on your videos, collabs if you are a cute popular girl like the two addicts in the video, etc).
@@christiancinnabars1402 big brain for you, but not for the devs. They need money to maintain the game and bring new updates consistently
Im just trying to say, f2p is your choice and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it, but calling big brain is a bit too much
"They hated Jesus because he told the truth."
If she didn't apologize, she would have likewise been crucified.
Underrated comment
@@RayRahu ahahaha.... oii..
Implying she's Jesus.
duck jesus
As an ex-whale I’m totally with Subaru on this one
Same,
I whale but for skins. The way they try to justify it by saying its for the character and for the people who work on it when they know its not true makes them look kind of stupid honestly. They should outright say its for them and it would garner more respect
@@pineapplekun8769 contrarily, it could be you who looks stupid if that's what they actually mean. Making those justifications that "it's for the character" could very much be a joke; and the only reason I have any insecurity in that statement is because there's some guy is married to Hatsune Miku and several years ago, a guy who married a video game(Love Plus?) character. Both who held an actually ceremony. I'd have more confidence in my statement otherwise.
Same
Also, think about it, @@pineapplekun8769. What they say is not entirely wrong, not only with gacha games, but pretty much any online game in general. They use the money to fund the people who work on it as well as being able to do more things (maybe a collab or something). In that way, they're working not only for themselves, but also for the players who technically helped sustaining their life for their passion and satisfaction.
So, basically, it's not stupid. It's just one way for us to look out for each other.
I love how Suisei went “WHAT DID YOU SAY!” I love it so much
(1:18)
Her pure unbridled rage is amazing
You can hear murder in her words
Gacha addicts. Never spent money on a game so I understand Subaru lol.
Although Subaru is right, these two Gamblers (a.k.a. Gacha addicts) were justified in their rages. So far most vtubers were sponsored by these mobile game and silly apps that had gacha, micro-transaction, add ons, DLC. That is why they work hard to promote, advertise and even downright shilling them.
Splashing a harsh cold reality is counter-productive to their effort and revenue. What was she thinking!?!?
well in the end you dont own anything in a gacha game whatever you spend money on it or not.
the company grants you the usage rights for their server to make an account and the rights to use their in-game content.
but if they wanted/had to they can shut the game down and you lose everything you payed for with no rights to a compensation.
thats why its stupid in my eyes to be a whale.
when you can lose hundrets or thousands in cash at any given point in time and for any reason all youre left with is wasted money.
I spend but well... like 2dls per month
While 3 years already...
Ah, it’s almost like the DLC argument all over again.
And why EA was voted to be the worst gaming company in the US.
But I think whaling is fine as long as you can have the lost money back. It’s their money anyway, they can do whatever the hell with it.
That's pretty dark, @@PorungaSan
You don't just tell a friend his waifu/husbando is just a card.
How callous.
Friends don’t let friends whale.
Hurts as much as a friend tells you that real dating isn’t the same as a dating sim.
;-;
@@Geheimnis-c2e Don't be sad. Because dating sim is better than real dating lol. Let me give you some sermon... *Ehem
First, you only need to spend your money *once* on the beginning. It's a "one time investment". And if you're a pirate of culture, you can even get it for free!... though if you have the money, please just buy it to support the dev! You give them money, they make a fan-disc, spinoff, or even another game! It's a win-win!
Second, in case you get bored of your girl(s) or your girl(s) is different than what you think , you can repeat step number 1 to pick another dating sim. AND you don't need to throw away your old one. You can make a harem instead! You also don't need any breakup drama for it!
And lastly, dating sim always end with a good ending. Like you get together with the girl you want, have some fan service like dating etc, and done! At most (but uncommon), the finish line is wedding and live happily ever after~ but in real life, after that "good end" is where the true problem will start... and remember... there's no save and load button... so if your current "playthrough" on irl is already messed up... there's no turning back lol
Spread this word of truth to them who doesn't aware the wonder of dating sim, visual novel, or eroge. The world need to learn about this blessing from God! Amen
@@justawanderingoldman7699 But can you hug dating sim girls?
@@zombiethieves3736 we actualy can with VR, and it Will be Even better un the future so.....
Cat and Comet: 'We whale because it is needed to support the game!'
The CEOs: *laughs in the 6th yacht*
S'truth.
They don't need support. They are already rich. They are just greedy.
While I will never let myself spend on a gacha game again, and try to save my friends from 🐳, it does support the game. Look at Symphogear XD Unlimited, the Global version wasn’t profiting enough so they killed it; however, their Japanese version is doing so well they’re putting it on PC.
@@lazerninga It would be good if they just killed all of the Gacha games.Nah, the whole concept needs to be killed.
*cough*
:D saying that in front of 2 whales ??? This Subaru has a lion heart
Remember: "Free-to-play" games make 90% of their income from 10% of their playerbase.
Or the gambling addicts. It's not healthy.
@@kylewood4488-b9r It's their money and it's their choice nobody's pointing a gun at their head and forcing them to spend the money
@@gunnermike4553
"It's their money and it's their choice.
Nobody's pointing a gun at their head and forcing them to *(insert unhealthy addiction here)* "
@@jonatanluna1061k? Is it not their money that they worked hard for? Is it not their choice to spend it on whatever the fuck they want to?
@timothy selix Again their money their choice
"Wait, but this Kalim is just a card, isn't it?"
Fubuki:
[Skill activation: Two faced fox]
Suisei:
**So you have chosen death**
Suisei: takes axe
The first time I've heard about two-faced fox was from her skill in Azur Lane. Was there any other source it was referenced from?
@A Random Dragon Loli great, now I can dig deeper into this rabbit hole, thanks mate
Suisei: F I N A L T U R N
Suisei: smiles maniacally and speaks very friendly
The whole stream was basically Fubuki and Suisei corrupting Subaru down the path of a whale. She had to go over her 20k yen budget to get the guaranteed SSR pull. She said she'll probably never do a gacha stream again and was reminded of Mio's advice that "gambling is bad" and how scary it is.
That sounds like one of those movies they always made us watch in grade school whenever they were doing a lesson drug addiction.
so you're telling me this was all just a PSA for gambling addict?
Responsible wolf mom is responsible.
Also I'm extremely cynical of an idol company using idols to basically promote gambling.
@@shingshongshamalama You don't know idol companies very well. if they can make money they will make money.
That sucks that the stream has been removed. I would've loved to watch it.
"The phrase "it's just a card" is such a weak mindset, there are always things to improve on, to whale for"
- Ninja from Twitch or something
it just digital paper. not even real
It's not even merch. xD
Those aren't whales...
They're killer whales
Assassin whales.
Orca
@@IceeFish skadi
NO I'm pretty sure that they're baleen whales.
So they are skadi
"Why would you say something so controversial, yet so brave?"
Because she is the Lion Duck.
Most people rejected her message
Duck : Wait, but this Kalim is just a *Card, isn't it?*
Imposter Cat : *OÏÌÎ*
Psycho : *_WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY?_*
*_They hated Duck Because She Told them the Truth_* - Subaru. 1:14
0:35 I love how Subaru's avatar becomes genuinely concerned
*BREAKING NEWS*
Donald the Duck just declare war againts whalers 🐳
And then Sora used the card-turned Donald in KH:CoM and accidentally summoned Subaru instead
I mean she's a Captain. Captain Duck Sparrow.
She then proceeds to spend 21500 yen for Kasim right after this
I wonder what'll happen if we can get his card in Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories
22.5k yen actually. She did a 100 rolls for the guaranteed SSR pull.
And then said she'd wouldn't do it again.
@@retnemmoc101 Until another Kasim SSR rate up
@@thegamemaster1514 We all know rate up is a lie
"WHY ARE YALL BOOING?! I'M RIGHT!!"
Its like that "Why are you booing me? I'm right" meme. Such a brave duck. Not afraid to say what she truly feels.
Always when i think i'm gonna spend my money on a card, i always ask myself... do i choose food or a jpeg of best girl... i have been F2P since
JUST LOOK THEM UP ON GOOGLE
food is overrated lol
@@floppytokey whoa,so brave.
You told them the truth.
But i want muscles
Weakness disgust me
I was Subaru a few years ago but now I'm both Fubuki and Suisei... cards have feelings too you know...
We're on the same page here....
Alright, Yugi. :I
And soon you will revert back to Subaru
We must believe in the HEART OF THE CARDS!!!
Why don't you commission an artist instead of wasting money on gacha
that why they don't include Subaru as otaku on their hololive tierlist yesterday LOL
huh, what? did they make an otaku tier list? where?
ah the segregation list. Miko and a few others were surprising lmao
Well she isn't actually (cmiiw). In one time, she was trembling of uncomfortable due to Okayu was taking her to the Anime cafe or something like that lol
@@sektebuburgoreng218 but really, nyab nyan hell is really scary
Link?
Facts about whaling :
1. f2p players hate it
2. whales hate it
Few years later...
Subaru:"AHHHHHHH I GOT KATALINA!!" "
I have to agree with Subaru on this one.
You're dead to me.
this calls for war
I'm on your side for this one tun tun we f2p are a bond stronger than aquatic whales..
@@setoman1 ar10
I am with you in this one, I have a lot more to say but I will hold it because discussing this topic is extremely stressful for me.
"There is no such thing as wasteful whaling"
spoken like a true whale.
Subaru: "It's just card."
That aged well.
"Ooh! An *Ultra Rare JPG!* A thousand dollars well spent." -ProZD
Notice how merely saying "it's just a card, bro" instantly triggers the Suichopath instincts. Only the most daring souls would use this to invoke her
This is definitely EA at the conference meetings...
This aged like milk
This doesn't age well
Comet and Alien Fox rejected her message. They "OII!!" Subaru. Because she told them the cold hard truth
It's alien cat
They sound like someone justifying his/her drug addiction. In much cuter way.
Watching this again after She bought Katalina’s new year outfit hits differently
When you realize you can download the PNG in HD you start to analyze if the game still is worth it. Various times isn’t.
The gameplay and/or the story in many gachas are pretty generic sadly.
I still play some gachas but just when I feel like it. I don’t worry anymore about getting “that” character, skin, card or item.
if is FGO you mostly would care about gameplay so some units are whaled pretty hard when they are in some banners
Why would she say something so controversial but so brave?
What was controversial about it? It was all true. They ARE just pixels. And the management company doesn't need the money. The cost of making new items in a gacha game is embarrassingly low compared to the income they produce.
@@GeorgeMonet meme
It's best to think of gacha whaling like obsessive collecting. There is some truth that whales also contribute to the game they support, they believe that the game is good enough to say "Hey, I feel like spending money and supporting the devs!", but that isn't usually why people whale. People tend to whale for collection purposes, or gameplay purposes. Gameplay purposes are a little less understandable in my eyes, as if a near F2P account can do basically everything you can just at slightly worse efficiency, then what's the point of spending 1000+ dollars? However, I fully understand whaling for collection purposes.
If you remember the days of old, when things like baseball cards, yugioh cards, pokemon cards, etc were all new and popular, people would go NUTS to collect those. Some people still do! Especially for games like Magic the Gathering and such, collection is a very important aspect for a lot of people, and the rarity of cards influenced how pricey they were to buy outright, thus making it almost more cost effective to gamble on card packs. Comic books also were part of the collection culture and a lot of early comic books became super expensive because of their collector's value.
Same with gacha games. People have the urge to collect and make their favorites the best they can be. That way they can happily use/show off their favorites/collection to others. So while I understand the very correct words of Subaru (It's just a card...), I also get why it's MORE than just a card.
That said, remember kids, be responsible with your money. Whales earn their money usually through some sort of support in their respective communities. At least the video based ones do.
“KAAAAATAAAAARIIIINAAAAA!!!”
-Subaru
Lol fubukis mic actually cuts out when she yells hey it’s adorably silly
"But Kalim is just a card"
ゴゴゴ
Stand Master: Suisei Hoshimachi
Stand Name:「WHAT DOES THE FOX SAY」
At the end of the day these things are still just unnecessary objects. I don't think that people should be so attached to materials unless they are special with it being an important present from a loved one or a family heirloom.
This just sounds like two addicts trying to justify their addiction.
Subaru: Its just a card right?
Also Subaru: KATALINAAAAA !!!! GRIMNIRRRRR !!!
If somebody said the same thing to me after I spent a year saving part of my salary to get Hokusai to np5 I'd be angry too
Me coming from the future : "Oh how the table have turned....."
That's a strong mental attack against 2 whalers, especially to the certain fgo kitsuneko whaler
The phrase It’s just a card is such a weak mindset
You are ok with what you have, failing to draw your favourite character, imperfection of a collection. When you stop getting angry after not drawing your favourite character, you've lost twice.
and so I came back here after watching Subaru's recent gacha stream.
I like how Subaru looks confused the whole time haha
the duck now transformed into a whale lolololol
Subaru: but this kalim is just a card, isn't it?
Fubuki: 'turn on predator mode'
Suisei: 'turn on psychopath mode'
1:17 you can almost hear the switch going off in Suisei's head
It is an evil, predatory business model, tbh
You don't ask a guy his salary
a woman her age
and a gacha player why pay for bunch of moving pictures
I just realise each Hololive member that I like is either a Gacha Addict or a Loli Addict and I’m scared
Perfect time to like the pure hearted duck that is Subaru
or become a degenelate and meet Haachama...?
But those are only PNG's not a physical thing or anything is worse because at the end of the day you get nothing.I would understand if you get prizes like real cards but not.
1:14 they are just PNG
JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE CORRECT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE RIGHT.
*rolls for a chainsaw*
*gets anything but a chainsaw*
Dammit
YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO
* rolls 10 for Eyjafjalla
*Peeks inside the bag
"White light
Damn you and your facts
YOU CAN'T ORDER ME AROUND
*rolls for Jalter*
*gets a stheno instead*
*cry*
ikr, you can just commisioned an artist to drew that for you.
I'm still rolling for Jean Bart in Azur Lane......
Subaru: "Why are you booing me? I'm right!"
The game I whaled in, shut down so I can't ever use those rare characters again. So all that money is literally gone. I don't whale anymore because of that.
Which game was it?
@@xauk9261 battle girl high school
Luckily Suisei loves her friends or she would have cut down SubaDuck . Honestly these idols are getting into gacha a bit too much Lol
There's nothing wrong with that, we're gacha slave after all(• ▽ •;)
"THEY'RE JUST PNG!"
Gaccha Addicts: "Say that again BITCH"
I _used_ to spend some money on gacha games, but I haven't in a good while. Felt bad doing it at times, which made me stop. The only exception at this point is FGO's yearly guaranteed SSR - not for anything else.
For anyone who plans to get into gacha games, you really do need to be careful. It _is_ almost like gambling, despite what you might hear from the lifers. Budget yourself (even if that budget is $0.00).
Subaru is too pure for gacha hell :(
This is why Subaru is not in Azur Lane
If so, then I hope someone added her to some other games instead.
Or maybe a new game featuring the Holo girls?
anyone coming back now sees the duck has chosen the dark path she once criticized thanks to Katalina and sandy lol
One time and the first time I spent $50.00 on Arknights Gacha to get Chen, it felt great to be able to get her but then... My heart ached so much and the feeling of regret was so stronk later on...
Don't worry if you hadn't wasted it there you would of wasted it somewhere else.
All your stonks down the srain
Being poor as i am, I never thought about spending a single dollar online. Subaru has a lion heart, the perfect resolution of a f2p player.
Be careful Subaru: these two are the strongest project winter players in hololive.
Subaru: "it's just a card right"
Fubuki and suisei addicted to whaling: *So you have chosen... Death!*
She said that on psychopath hitwoman thief gacha addict idol and cunning gacha addict white fox predator? Damn son
yes, she's so brave
As an F2P player most of the time, whales literally fund all of your experiences lol so be grateful I’d say. “Thank you for paying the devs so we don’t have to.”
SHE’S NOT JUST A JPG, SHE’S REAL. SHE HAS TO BE
Suisei: "Kalim could have his yakiniku banquet with the money that I whaled for him"
Me: BUT YOU COULD HAVE USED THAT MONEY FOR YOUR OWN BANQUET WITH THAT MUCH THEN!
I will never understand whales.
Well the manager was the one having his own banquet and laughing all the way with the easy money he was given for doing practically no work.
Here we see whales getting mad at a duck for swimming on their territory
I was once a gacha addict and honestly I agree with Subaru, spending large amounts of money on gacha is wasteful. I play Brave Frontier, Azur Lane, Fate/GO, Arknights, Bleach Brave Souls, and FE: Heroes and between them since I started playing the first one (Brave Frontier back in 2013) I've probably spent a little over £5,000. Not once have I felt like that money was well spent, but I kept doing it anyway because I wanted the Bismarck or the Okita Souji or the Che'en. And let me tell you, I only even have one of those three I just listed, despite spending all that money.
I revently spent more than i would ever rationally have thought i would on genshin and i swore off it shortly afterward, its just too easy to fall into that habbit for almost no return.
I feel the same way about microtransactions in games without gatcha or lootboxes, ie once u get a nice skin in apex it suddenly doesn't seem as cool as it did when i realize the price
I love single player games and it inwardly makes my cringe when i realize that i could have supported an indie dev for the same price as some stupid skin they probably threw together in a couple days at most
Well I mean, gacha games and getting character was never a thing because the character at all, it is because you want to be the one who got the super rare character, it's that satisfaction what your searching, I have played some gachas and some that comes to my mind are fate go and arknights where you can literally use super rare characters from another people as support. The thing is it doesn't matter if you can play with the character, the thing is you play that character after you get that character, even if you level it up and then let it be forgotten cuz you already have a team that works better than with that said character xD
I always say to gacha whales: "Why don't you spend that money buying actual physical merchandise instead?" lol
THIS!!!!!!
Both
@@magic_cfw The truest whales always takes that path
What makes you think they dont? Most whales i know have multiple games and merchandise. Rich bastards...
Reydriel I’m a seasonal dolphin and not a whale but we do? Also I kinda don’t have any more space for merch from all the gunpla I’ve built and having your waifus and husbandos in game is safer than having them displayed since you might want to keep your affection for anime characters secret from your family who you don’t always know when they will come see you. And if you squint hard enough you can make the argument that it’s their money and they can buy whatever they want just like how vegans shouldn’t force others in buying vegan food instead of whatever they’re buying I guess?
I'm with Subaru all the way.
They're not going to advise people to be careful with their money when they make a living from people giving them money
0:35 Look at Subaru, her expression changes and it's so perfect
She went from 😮 to 🧐
how to trigger suichan
1. calls her a shotacon
2. say shota is the same as shonen
3. describe definition of whale like subaru
They hated the Duck because shet told them the truth
2 whales try to murder a duck, colorized.
The mobile market has been destroyed by this types of games, and it's sad to see people defending this games and the ultimate destructiveness that is gambling addiction
Example:RAID:SHADOW LEGENDS.
Exactly mobile gaming have potential but if people keep throwing money on shitty games like these there won't be enough development on the market
@@snoopyodig1137
Nevertheless there are still good mobile games. But I also dislike all the gacha stuff.
However nowadays there are mainly two ways how to make money on the mobile market: Small games with advertisings and gacha. And that's pretty hard to change. No one pays full price for a mobile game.
It's strange, but that's the current situation.
gacha is the future, even triple A games includes gacha nowdays, blizzard,EA,take2 etc.
@@arifgunawan9329 the future is shit then
kusa kusa, imagine whaling for 2D PNG cards
Le* me simping for 2D PNG with full voice acting
The duck is the wisest hence it is hunted
If you haven’t whaled then you never truly loved the game or it’s characters
"It's just a card"
I can never say that to Jeanne D'Arc
-says the F2P player himself-
comming back after she cry while getting katalina on legfest.
those roll made me salty asf.
Thats why im still not moving from being f2p gang
I’ll never get gacha because to me what happens when you eventually become disinterested in it? If you’ve sunk an abhorrent amount of money into some virtual pictures there’s not going to be any form of return past the shot of dopamine and adrenaline you got hit with the moment you pulled something good. Doesn’t it just eventually turn into a monument of shame unless you indefinitely keep periodically tossing money into it?
yeah its basically sunk cost fallacy
"THATS IT. WE'RE HAVIN ROAST DUCK TONIGHT."
This comment is a reminder that Subaru, despite abhorring paying for gacha, succumbed to Katalina New Year's skin and has joined Fubuki and Suisei in that pay for a gacha game camp.
Y'all in here gon' learn gacha hell.
PNGs are life, y'all.