At first I thought the Brotherhood were not entitled to get the power armor back. Though when talking to Chief Hanlon it’s clear that the suits were wasted on the NCR. Instead of turning those heavy troopers on the Legion, they have them back in the NCR protecting the properties of Brahmin Barons as glorified bodyguards. Meanwhile the basic troopers sent to the Mojave don’t even have basic body armor or decent guns.
Though seriously, what good is the armor for now exactly? At best, it can used for spare parts, and I think there's some value in that, but when the most essential components of a mechanism is taken out of it, you're not left with that machine, you have a pile of scrap. It's really no better than some cool-looking metal armor. If I'm the Brotherhood, I'd be more interested with getting a piece of HELIOS energy. Imagine the tech shit the Scribes can do with enough juice to power it.
@@wojak-sensei6424 frankly i think the BoS are just being petty, "it's our stuff you're not allowed to have it" kind of attitude. Its also very hypocritical, the BoS "recover" tech all the time that they have no right too, yet decides on it's own self appointed authority that it belongs to them. How did they get that authority? Might made them "right" How did the NCR get the armor? By *Might* ,making them equally "right" to take it.
@@wojak-sensei6424 Lore wise I think the armor is intended to have the same protective qualities as fully functioning T-45 armor, just with major shortcomings. Dunno why they don’t translate these sorts of details into the actual game.
@@MediumRareOpinions Yes but no. This is more like in ww2 a gold crucifix your brother in arms had and a Nazi soldier taking it smelting and making another ring for his wife. Not comparing the BoS to the allies or the NCR to the Nazis. And it is a war crime to loot a corpose in modernity so yeah.
@@Ocook2210 I still play it sometimes, the amount of differences are insane, and there's some loot you can only get in earlier versions, like the tortishell glasses in vault 19
It’s pretty interesting seeing these outcomes as we don’t see much brotherhood and ncr interactions with each other in the game considering they are both major factions
@@ArthurJFlamel not a brotherhood fan boy, and it kinda is considering they alone could wipe out any of the other smaller factions, and I’m actually a Enclave enjoyer myself so 😐
In New Vegas, the Mojave BOS isn't much as a threat anymore after losing the war against the NCR and the NCR taking over helios one and their technology there as well from other battles. And now to the point where the BOS dont even leave their bunker anymore and are doomed to die out. they def aren't a major faction in New Vegas but rest of the games they are a major faction tho there's no denying that
@@zxn666 yeah, kinda felt bad for the bos in new Vegas, I always side with Elder McNamara, so I can get the truce and beyond that to peace. Also, it makes more sense imo, to keep him, since he's learned from his mistakes.
@@zxn666 still are a major faction though, sure they may be secretive but if anyone tried to attack them they would be met with severe casualties and are no a force to be reckoned with
The brotherhood was supposed to wear T-45 as well but a bug made them all wear T-51 in the base game. This is why some of them have T-45 helmets but not the armor.
Yeah it kills me when you do the Veronica quest and half of them have T-51B with T-45D helmets cause some dev filled the brotherhood T-45D armor list with T-51B.
@@mottmatt7844 No it doesn’t, cause why isn’t it the other way around then and why is it only full T-51 suits with T-45D helmets. Why are the paladin patrols or the ones sent to the dam who are actually exposed to combat using T-45d bits when the ones just patrolling the Bunker have T-51. The brotherhood has never mix matched suits in all of fallout, even when they’re forced to use scraps. Who ever put that T-51 in the brotherhoods T-45 armor list should have done the same for their helmets and the Dam paladins cause it’s wack
I remember having paladin Todd at Hoover dam. He and colonel Moore were stuck in the spot until the end game, so it was kind of funny to see colonel Moore fight a bunch of legionaries with just her pistol and then try to run back to quarters even though it was blocked by rubble, and paladin Todd was just standing there even though he was surrounded by corpses of the Legion.
"NCR, no better than common thieves, where do they get off stealing our armor?" - Literally from the same group that rightfully procures advanced equipment from people underneath the guise of safety.
Those armor were not stolen from anyone except the bunkers and facilities of a dead world Goverment, so they were in fact scavenged. The Brotherhood-NCR war started because of the Brotherhood harrassing Californian citizens about the dangerous tech brought in by the ruins of Enclaves structures, such as Navarro, de facto stealing those weapons (and schematics) from common people. The Brotherhood sees this as putting away a gun from the hands of a child, because we, as players, should know how dangerous are people equipped at random with energy weapons (look at the fiends, or the Van Graffs, allegedly merchants behaving like thugs and killing everyone whose on their way). The NCR started waging war against the Brotherhood, killing their members and looting their corpses and bunkers as raiders. In a sense, you're right, the NCR is not composed of common thieves, but entitled, arrogant and glorified murderers ready to kill the ally of ol' that kept the Enclave and Unity at bay just because it wanted shiny plasma rifles that could turn everybody to goo. Instead of looking for a diplomatic approach they choose the way of war, resulting in countless lives lost for their army just to gain a handful of bunkers and a hundred pieces of broken equipment. War that goes in a stalemate after the Brotherhood destroyed their economy by blowing up their gold reservoir The NCR is repeating the errors of the Old World and not even realizing it.
@@imanuelofthelions5518 I agree with you,The NCR with The Enclave Technology is not good.The NCR Military has been like the Elijah says "Children playing with bomb", The NCR always focused their efforts on Submission Or Destruction.The Brotherhood Of Steel maybe an techno cultists who always wanted to hoard pre war tech but giving an highly advance technology to an Nation that always famous for corruption and the sheer obsession for dominance and more power.Makes them an Candidate for an Reenactment Of The Great War in the scale of far worse than its predecessor.
@@imanuelofthelions5518 still , NCR and BoS people are dying because the Elders refuse to accept that they are not the only people who have the right to technology.
I kinda get why they took it out based on what's left, but if they just added a few more lines it would seem more natural than immediately just agreeing with one sentence changing their minds.
I mean at that point you are likely idolized or close to it with one or both groups so basically having a hero walk up and be like hey just do it and worry about the rest later makes some sense to me
A random scene just manifested in my mind of a Brotherhood paladin walking up to a bunch of space marines and demanding they surrender their power armour to brotherhood
That’s absolutely hilarious. What was the name of that one Space Marine chapter? The one that steals everything? I bet they’d steal the Brotherhood’s power armor. Paladin: give us your power armor. Space Marine: we already stole yours lulz.
When I first played FNV the salvaged power armor was such a neat idea, but after having played Fallout 4 and realizing what power armor actually is, the idea of anyone other than Frank Horrigan himself strapping on what is essentially a tank shaped as a man, without the servos or exoskeleton to support the weight, seems pretty ludicrous now. Still though, because power armor looks like nothing more than a futuristic set of knights armor in FNV (compared to FO4), the salvaged armor doesn't seem implausible. I'll always cherish that moment of my first playthrough where I saw an NCR Heavy Trooper for the first time and it just made so much sense to me that the NCR would salvage armor like this, but not have the know how to use it most effectively. Just another detail that serves as an example of Obsidian's masterful world-building.
I always figured that they only removed the servos and such, but I bet they keep the hinges and whatnot it’s still all more or less one piece. So as long as you keep upright, it’d definitely be harder to move, but it wouldn’t just be hanging off your body like metal plates just held on with straps.
That was a great touch, Obsidian also applied this to many other areas as well. The legion having several armor sets that salvaged pieces both T45d and Army Combat Armor are great examples too. Missed opportunity to give NCR 1st Recon salvaged pieces of Army Combat Armor too.
Strongest BOS Paladin: "Oh noes, my p-p-powercore is empty and I can´t move my armor. My Bossy is defenseless!" Weakest NCR Citizen: *lifts up the paladin*
The Brotherhood could've offered their military assistance to the NCR in exchange for the return of their power armour. That way both sides get exactly what they want.
Pretty interesting, too bad we did not get it, I never knew this was supposed to happen. I never got it, but I definitely enjoy having the NCR and the BOS do the temporary truce, that became a full after the game, if only we got the post end game, in the final.
@@VongolaXZax I highly recommend giving The Living Desert a try as well. TLD is an amazing mod that makes the Mojave feel so much more alive. It adds lore-friendly traveling NPCs such as NCR patrols & traveling prospectors, it adds random encounters similar to Fallout 3’s, & it does so much more. Also, don’t you worry about us going quietly. The Legion has only barely managed to stay alive against our forces in the Mojave, which I should clarify is only a minuscule fraction of our full military might. So if they did try to expand into our main territory, they’d never stand a chance against the full military might of the NCR, with or without Lanius’s military leadership.
@@dj11o9er Maxson declared himself independent. I.e. treason, auto forfeit. Granted the 'Gov' was already treasonous itself, but that's beside the point.
If you have the game on PC, you can get Titian of the New West, which makes the power armor like it is in 1, 2 and 4. You still have to carry it in your inventory tho, but damn does it look good
@@bazilisek502 no it would united states goverment property, which ceased to exist. Enclave lost being the heir to the usa when they sat on their oil rig and only acted once they understood their space travel plans where stupid.
@@zoltanbojan8035 I mean, I don’t think asking for your organization’s old power armor back really compares to straight up murdering someone over a petty argument on the “childish scale”.
In my most recent playthrough, after convincing Todd to let the NCR use the power armor at the battle of hoover dam, the NCR did ultimately return it in the end slides. Not sure what happens if Todd is killed, but I'm guessing that would sour relations between BoS and NCR
To be fair to the brotherhood, the NCR is walking around in armor the striped from the dead bodies of brotherhood soldiers. If they’re working together, the least they could do is give it back Think about it this way: would you be comfortable serving alongside the man who’s wearing armor that he stripped off your wife’s corpse? Armor that serves a sudo-religious purpose, and that he then tore apart and repainted
Huh, never knew about what the NCR did to the suits. Now I feel bad for the users, I assume that the unaltered suites would have nbc like potection with some sort of climate control which I assume is compromised somewhat when the joints are altered. The NCR power armor troops have to lug around armor made of metal without assistance from servos in the Navada heat, all day.
Now imagine all the hard work you done for making these two an ally, ruined by Col. Moore being "These PA is our now!" * Kill the paladin * and BoS are just "Ok, guess we go war"
@@crimsondynamo615 I actually think of the NCR as good actions turned bad. She's probably thinking of her own yet because she doesn't see the full picture she makes bad decisions. Kinda like most high ranking military officials and burocrats.
@@crimsondynamo615 it's honestly great writing though. Makes it a lot easier for players to pick a side other than the NCR. Considering how much I hate her, it was a breath of fresh air seeing an NCR officer not be hopeless and just trying to guilt you into joining them by saying "legion bad"
To me it always seemed like that the reason Paladin Todd was wearing the T45 and not the Brotherhood T51, is that it's not faction armor (even tho the texture has a BOS logo on the shoulders), meaning the NPCs don't turn on him and attack him.
This makes the brotherhood seem pretty stupid and unreasonable. It's right before an incredibly important battle why on earth would the Army handicap itself right before to make the BOS feel better. It's a fight you should have after the battle.
Considering they are trading the hunks of scrap metal for highly armored, heavily armed walking tanks on their side... I think it is incredibly reasonable. The NCR would be better off disbanding the Heavy Infantry in favor of an alliance with the Mojave Brotherhood, and it would literally take what is basically a token gesture of good will. Imagine your country formed an alliance with a former enemy nation, and that enemy nation was outfitted with arms and uniforms stolen off the corpses of your fallen compatriots. The returning of those items would be a clear sign of good will.
It's showing that the BoS are still huge pricks, even though they are going to die out no doubt. But for why, it's simple in my opinion, the Brotherhood, despite being outnumbered and decimated, i feel like the NCR would want to avoid having to go to war again and lose more soldiers to these heavily armored troops. Oh and you're right, but Obsidian being given no dev time go brrrrrrrrrr
The brotherhood are stupid and unreasonable tho. The Fallout 3 Brotherhood were not true to the other games. Even in 4 they come off as arrogant asshats
Yeah this seems like it was removed because they felt the dialogue was subpar, it would have been better if the checks involved talking about respecting the fallen to the Col. and something about continuing the legacy of the fallen paladins for Todd.
It actually happened once in my (god knows how many) playthrough, but at that time a bug causing Todd to duplicate and after I talked to Moore one of the Todds died. I just amazed that someone died horrifically and it wasn't my fault.
I vaguely remember having this scenario occur in one of my playthroughs many years ago, but never really thought about it. I remember siding with the brotherhood to return the power armor. However I might be remembering a cut content video I’ve watched
I’m pretty sure this dialogue happened to me in my unmodded game. Except that I couldn’t do anything to resolve it and I could move around when Todd demanded the armor
Actually, with Jsawyer mod as the man himself Josh Sawyer stated, power armor aren't supposed to have the special training or Bethesda power armor training perk to equip power armor. This was intended by Josh to make New Vegas to be close to classic Fallout 1 and Fallout 2. The reason it needed the training perk was to gate player from getting the power armor early in Fallout 3 as Bethesda do not know how to balance the game proper just because they refused to use Damage Threshold(DT) armor system. Jsawyer mod addressed this balance problem by giving the player a temporary debuff if player manage to get power armor early on in New Vegas. The debuff can be remove by learning the perk of training with several NPCs that offer it ingame since Obsidian already have it there. A clever way of Josh to make sure that power armor was nothing more than just a walking tank with several flaws in combat and not some kind of OP stuff. In New Vegas, without Jsawyer mod, it's require to have that perk but that's because Obsidian don't have much time to manage the game development as they have to reused asset from Fallout 3, that's why most fans will said that Jsawyer mod was the last official patch or DLC to the game before Bethesda took over New Vegas from Obsidian after their contract ended, shame really.
I have had this scene three times because I loaded my old save. Never saw it before I installed the patch. I tried both speech check choices and then let them work it out and Moore gave the armor back. I finished my last hardcore run with letting NCR keep the armor. A lot less died when they had the armor.
I didn't realize it was cut content. Mods can fix stuff you didn't realize they fixed. A truce gives you the best ending for the BoS in an NCR playthrough - the Brotherhood helps patrol I-15 and Highway 95. But if you're going for an independent New Vegas and you don't destroy the bunker, they just go on being jerks, not unlike the ones that slaughtered a Followers outpost. I used console commands to take a few Brotherhood members prisoner in the basement of the Lucky 38 before destroying the bunker (Ibsen, Lorenzo, Torres, Schuler etc - named NPCs who didn't seem like complete jerks). These would've moved to the bunker and died there if they were just about anywhere else.
Regardless of faction preference, the BoS is the logical choice here as they'll be able to restore the armor and use it to it's fullest effect, rather than as a sluggish, servo-stripped tin can.
I wish we could see interactions between all the factions you brought together in the peaceful NCR ending. A conversation between the BOS and the boomers would be pretty interesting lol.
I like the Brotherhood, but the NCR won that armor fair and square. If the Brotherhood were to defeat the Boomers for example, and take their simulators and weaponry, they would never give it back up. It would belong to the Brotherhood and that would be that.
@@__Theta__ not really. Because the brotherhood currently work off a corrupted ideology where they horde this stuff primarily to keep people in check and stop another Great War (even though by I believe two they moved on from this thinking and just want to monitor those with it). They believe in keeping dangerous stuff like that out of the power vacuum. Which is more realistically why they want it back. It’s not because it’s our stuff and more no one should have this unless you’re with us because we don’t trust outsiders with this power.
I'm pretty sure the average NCR Heavy trooper is going to agree with the Paladin on this one. Unpower armour can't be fun to wear for any real period. And I am not sold on the actual viability in combat.
When you speak to Todd he only acts like a random NCR soldier with lines like "President Kimball probably won't come back after his assassination attempt" or "We won't stand down, the Legion can count on it"
Considering how the NCR-BoS alliance results in the NCR giving the power armor to the BoS anyway, it would be fine for the BoS to be mature for one battle and let even more people have extra armor protection from Legion gunfire. Although, either of them having power armor is a bit annoying. On the one hand the heavy troops would be used to protect brahmin baron douchebags instead of being put into combat and on the other hand the Brotherhood of Steel are hypocrites obsessed with hoarding technology they don't have any more of a right to than the average tribal.
i never knew this was cut content coz in the wiki they say it like its in the game and i was always confused why i didn't hear this. i also have a mandela effect of seeing this scene as a kid, was it removed/cut at some point?
I think he forgot the rules of the Wasteland, if you kill someone then all their stuff is up for grabs and that includes Brotherhood Knights and Paladins killed by the NCR during their fight over the Helios 1.
Although Moore is right, it’s stupid to strip some of your best troops of their armor before the battle, the Paladin should definitely get it back after the battle, since I have a feeling the Brotherhood would put it to better use the the NCR did.
Honestly I preferred giving power armor to settlement protectors like those of megaton and rivet city, just because I’ve never liked the main powers like NCR, Legion, BOS. It’s the little places that need the best protection
The virgin brotherhood paladin(read as: weakling) needing a servos to help him walk with his suit vs the chad jacked NCR power armor who uses his own strength like the actual paladins of old to carry his suit
No, the paladin is just smart and knows he can be more effective and carry more weaponry without the extra weight. The NCR are stupid and untrained, and are too dumb to figure out how to use power armor
Still amazes me on how stupid Todd is. This is a good chance to have peace, but instead He demands that the NCR shouldn't have them because Copyright or some shit. Like One, Its barely theirs now, especially that it got customized and refitted, and Two, They kicked their asses with overwhelming numbers. Like, The NCR would have finished the Job and Wiped them out if it weren't for Caesar and his legion. So Elder McNamara kinda was stupid on sending him instead of someone who can be more diplomatic, like a scribe or something.
Not that Moore is any more of a diplomat. Honestly, this is the same as sending Ulfric and Tulius to negotiate the truce in Skyrim, "Yes, let's send two individuals that have no desire for peace and even have personal vendettas against one another. What could go wrong?"
I get what the BOS means to a degree considering it was looted off dead BOS troops of high ranks but the ncr at least needs it to fight and can be given back after the battle but Moore killing the representative shows how unreasonable the ncr can be at times she wanted to go to war with the chapter from the start rather make peace
ok so we're going to strip everything that makes power armour so good, essentially turning it into a wearable hunk of metal that weighs a ton (because we cant be fucked to figure out how to actually use it), and now that the wearer has to hold up 200kg of gear just to stand up, we're going to give them a heavy weapon, amazing idea. And the brotherhood somehow think its worth the trouble of getting these lobotomised power armours back, because they just cant help themselves i guess.
I never liked Colonel Moore. she gets mad at the courier for making a more peaceful option between the brotherhood and ncr that would make the battle of hoover dam even easier
Everybody gets mad at your for making peace with the brotherhood, even Yes Man makes passive aggressive remarks about how "Theyll end up being our biggest enemy." and Mr House outright refuses to side with them.
I'm really confused about this scene. I remember seeing it in one of my first play throughs of fallout new Vegas, but never again after it. This was on Xbox so it wasn't a mod. To be honest in though I imagined it, so it's good to know I'm not completely insane.
3:15 I think my new vegas game glitched or something because moore said this when I was at the hoover dam I had power armor on so um I may have killed everyone at hoover dam
At first I thought the Brotherhood were not entitled to get the power armor back.
Though when talking to Chief Hanlon it’s clear that the suits were wasted on the NCR. Instead of turning those heavy troopers on the Legion, they have them back in the NCR protecting the properties of Brahmin Barons as glorified bodyguards. Meanwhile the basic troopers sent to the Mojave don’t even have basic body armor or decent guns.
Though seriously, what good is the armor for now exactly? At best, it can used for spare parts, and I think there's some value in that, but when the most essential components of a mechanism is taken out of it, you're not left with that machine, you have a pile of scrap. It's really no better than some cool-looking metal armor.
If I'm the Brotherhood, I'd be more interested with getting a piece of HELIOS energy. Imagine the tech shit the Scribes can do with enough juice to power it.
@@wojak-sensei6424 frankly i think the BoS are just being petty, "it's our stuff you're not allowed to have it" kind of attitude.
Its also very hypocritical, the BoS "recover" tech all the time that they have no right too, yet decides on it's own self appointed authority that it belongs to them.
How did they get that authority? Might made them "right"
How did the NCR get the armor? By *Might* ,making them equally "right" to take it.
That’s what the Rangers are for. Especially the Veteran Rangers.
@@wojak-sensei6424 Lore wise I think the armor is intended to have the same protective qualities as fully functioning T-45 armor, just with major shortcomings. Dunno why they don’t translate these sorts of details into the actual game.
@@MediumRareOpinions Yes but no. This is more like in ww2 a gold crucifix your brother in arms had and a Nazi soldier taking it smelting and making another ring for his wife. Not comparing the BoS to the allies or the NCR to the Nazis. And it is a war crime to loot a corpose in modernity so yeah.
It's unfortunate that many FNV players will never happen upon an NPC named Todd.
Maby thats the reason why they cut him?
You can still get this scene if you play the day 1 unpatched Xbox 360 version
He always appears for me but never does anything but talk about president kimbals visit
@@IncultaWolf The way the game was intended.
@@Ocook2210 I still play it sometimes, the amount of differences are insane, and there's some loot you can only get in earlier versions, like the tortishell glasses in vault 19
It’s pretty interesting seeing these outcomes as we don’t see much brotherhood and ncr interactions with each other in the game considering they are both major factions
@@ArthurJFlamel not a brotherhood fan boy, and it kinda is considering they alone could wipe out any of the other smaller factions, and I’m actually a Enclave enjoyer myself so 😐
@@remembernavarro2077 _And so, we quietly walk out of the room and close the door, locking it behind us._
How's your day going so far?
In New Vegas, the Mojave BOS isn't much as a threat anymore after losing the war against the NCR and the NCR taking over helios one and their technology there as well from other battles. And now to the point where the BOS dont even leave their bunker anymore and are doomed to die out. they def aren't a major faction in New Vegas but rest of the games they are a major faction tho there's no denying that
@@zxn666 yeah, kinda felt bad for the bos in new Vegas, I always side with Elder McNamara, so I can get the truce and beyond that to peace.
Also, it makes more sense imo, to keep him, since he's learned from his mistakes.
@@zxn666 still are a major faction though, sure they may be secretive but if anyone tried to attack them they would be met with severe casualties and are no a force to be reckoned with
The brotherhood was supposed to wear T-45 as well but a bug made them all wear T-51 in the base game. This is why some of them have T-45 helmets but not the armor.
Yeah, it's surprisingly easy to get the better version of power armor, and there's only one T-45d on someone's table next to the Elder.
Yeah it kills me when you do the Veronica quest and half of them have T-51B with T-45D helmets cause some dev filled the brotherhood T-45D armor list with T-51B.
I don't mind this bug. T-51 is better.
@@tylerellis9097 idk it kind of gits the lore of the brotherhood in decline having to mix and match componemts just to keep the armor running.
@@mottmatt7844 No it doesn’t, cause why isn’t it the other way around then and why is it only full T-51 suits with T-45D helmets. Why are the paladin patrols or the ones sent to the dam who are actually exposed to combat using T-45d bits when the ones just patrolling the Bunker have T-51.
The brotherhood has never mix matched suits in all of fallout, even when they’re forced to use scraps.
Who ever put that T-51 in the brotherhoods T-45 armor list should have done the same for their helmets and the Dam paladins cause it’s wack
I remember having paladin Todd at Hoover dam. He and colonel Moore were stuck in the spot until the end game, so it was kind of funny to see colonel Moore fight a bunch of legionaries with just her pistol and then try to run back to quarters even though it was blocked by rubble, and paladin Todd was just standing there even though he was surrounded by corpses of the Legion.
"NCR, no better than common thieves, where do they get off stealing our armor?"
- Literally from the same group that rightfully procures advanced equipment from people underneath the guise of safety.
Those armor were not stolen from anyone except the bunkers and facilities of a dead world Goverment, so they were in fact scavenged.
The Brotherhood-NCR war started because of the Brotherhood harrassing Californian citizens about the dangerous tech brought in by the ruins of Enclaves structures, such as Navarro, de facto stealing those weapons (and schematics) from common people. The Brotherhood sees this as putting away a gun from the hands of a child, because we, as players, should know how dangerous are people equipped at random with energy weapons (look at the fiends, or the Van Graffs, allegedly merchants behaving like thugs and killing everyone whose on their way).
The NCR started waging war against the Brotherhood, killing their members and looting their corpses and bunkers as raiders.
In a sense, you're right, the NCR is not composed of common thieves, but entitled, arrogant and glorified murderers ready to kill the ally of ol' that kept the Enclave and Unity at bay just because it wanted shiny plasma rifles that could turn everybody to goo. Instead of looking for a diplomatic approach they choose the way of war, resulting in countless lives lost for their army just to gain a handful of bunkers and a hundred pieces of broken equipment. War that goes in a stalemate after the Brotherhood destroyed their economy by blowing up their gold reservoir
The NCR is repeating the errors of the Old World and not even realizing it.
@@imanuelofthelions5518 NCR was first in Navaro and yet BoS elders Demend from NCR Enclave tech witch is a Dick move . Oh and btw BoS started war .
@@dangi6516 no, the Brotherhood did not started it, the Brotherhood gave the casus belli for the NCR to answer military, it's different.
@@imanuelofthelions5518 I agree with you,The NCR with The Enclave Technology is not good.The NCR Military has been like the Elijah says "Children playing with bomb", The NCR always focused their efforts on Submission Or Destruction.The Brotherhood Of Steel maybe an techno cultists who always wanted to hoard pre war tech but giving an highly advance technology to an Nation that always famous for corruption and the sheer obsession for dominance and more power.Makes them an Candidate for an Reenactment Of The Great War in the scale of far worse than its predecessor.
@@imanuelofthelions5518 still , NCR and BoS people are dying because the Elders refuse to accept that they are not the only people who have the right to technology.
I had this when I played TTW. It was a pleasant surprise, and really emphasised how tentative the alliance is
I kinda get why they took it out based on what's left, but if they just added a few more lines it would seem more natural than immediately just agreeing with one sentence changing their minds.
I mean at that point you are likely idolized or close to it with one or both groups so basically having a hero walk up and be like hey just do it and worry about the rest later makes some sense to me
A random scene just manifested in my mind of a Brotherhood paladin walking up to a bunch of space marines and demanding they surrender their power armour to brotherhood
That’s absolutely hilarious.
What was the name of that one Space Marine chapter? The one that steals everything? I bet they’d steal the Brotherhood’s power armor.
Paladin: give us your power armor.
Space Marine: we already stole yours lulz.
@@ramblinnernd5905the Blood Ravens, they are the ones who steal everything xD
@@cromwellcruisertank2296 Oh yeah! That’s the one! lol
When I first played FNV the salvaged power armor was such a neat idea, but after having played Fallout 4 and realizing what power armor actually is, the idea of anyone other than Frank Horrigan himself strapping on what is essentially a tank shaped as a man, without the servos or exoskeleton to support the weight, seems pretty ludicrous now.
Still though, because power armor looks like nothing more than a futuristic set of knights armor in FNV (compared to FO4), the salvaged armor doesn't seem implausible. I'll always cherish that moment of my first playthrough where I saw an NCR Heavy Trooper for the first time and it just made so much sense to me that the NCR would salvage armor like this, but not have the know how to use it most effectively.
Just another detail that serves as an example of Obsidian's masterful world-building.
I always figured that they only removed the servos and such, but I bet they keep the hinges and whatnot it’s still all more or less one piece. So as long as you keep upright, it’d definitely be harder to move, but it wouldn’t just be hanging off your body like metal plates just held on with straps.
Sadly the Legion doesn't have any Power Armor, but their heavy armors are similar in DT to the T-51d, except the +1 STR and rad resistance.
@@chainsawplayinThe Centurion armour has pieces of power armour on it
That was a great touch, Obsidian also applied this to many other areas as well. The legion having several armor sets that salvaged pieces both T45d and Army Combat Armor are great examples too.
Missed opportunity to give NCR 1st Recon salvaged pieces of Army Combat Armor too.
Strongest BOS Paladin: "Oh noes, my p-p-powercore is empty and I can´t move my armor. My Bossy is defenseless!"
Weakest NCR Citizen: *lifts up the paladin*
The Brotherhood could've offered their military assistance to the NCR in exchange for the return of their power armour. That way both sides get exactly what they want.
I figured it was more of, Brotherhood help defend the Dam for Truce, BoS patrolling I-15 and 95 in exchange for the Power Armor.
Pretty interesting, too bad we did not get it, I never knew this was supposed to happen.
I never got it, but I definitely enjoy having the NCR and the BOS do the temporary truce, that became a full after the game, if only we got the post end game, in the final.
Kazopert has a mod called “Functional Post Game Ending”.
@@NCRVeteranRanger okay, thanks Ranger!
Don't go quietly, the legion will count on that.
@@VongolaXZax I highly recommend giving The Living Desert a try as well. TLD is an amazing mod that makes the Mojave feel so much more alive. It adds lore-friendly traveling NPCs such as NCR patrols & traveling prospectors, it adds random encounters similar to Fallout 3’s, & it does so much more.
Also, don’t you worry about us going quietly. The Legion has only barely managed to stay alive against our forces in the Mojave, which I should clarify is only a minuscule fraction of our full military might. So if they did try to expand into our main territory, they’d never stand a chance against the full military might of the NCR, with or without Lanius’s military leadership.
It is in the game, it just doesn't work properly. It's not cut content, technically.
One of these days this guy is gonna throw in a mod and none of us will question if
You’re supposed to be on patrol duty at Navarro…
@@EnclaveOfficer1776 sir i notice this one is missing his power armor....
the botherhood after an entire history of stealing random tech from anyone they can has the gall to demand power armor from the NCR bruh moment
ikr, at least the NCR would have earned it in battle against the BOS
Tbf it was their power armor first
@@dj11o9er technically they stole it from Uncle Sam.
@@davidvanderven Can't when they are at their roots already uncle sam
@@dj11o9er Maxson declared himself independent. I.e. treason, auto forfeit. Granted the 'Gov' was already treasonous itself, but that's beside the point.
“They have lasers you know” lmao
I'm so glad Bethesda made power armour bigger like they were in the classics. 3/NV PA looks so silly
If you have the game on PC, you can get Titian of the New West, which makes the power armor like it is in 1, 2 and 4. You still have to carry it in your inventory tho, but damn does it look good
Moore killing the brotherhood paladin is very childish lmao
Whats more childish is the BoS demanding the ncr to give them back "their" PA.
@@zoltanbojan8035 I mean it is their Power Armour. NCR got it from stripping it off of dead brotherhood members.
@@Lolk266 by that logic its Enclave armor because they looted it from pre-war military bases that belong to Enclave
@@bazilisek502 no it would united states goverment property, which ceased to exist. Enclave lost being the heir to the usa when they sat on their oil rig and only acted once they understood their space travel plans where stupid.
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I mean, I don’t think asking for your organization’s old power armor back really compares to straight up murdering someone over a petty argument on the “childish scale”.
In my most recent playthrough, after convincing Todd to let the NCR use the power armor at the battle of hoover dam, the NCR did ultimately return it in the end slides. Not sure what happens if Todd is killed, but I'm guessing that would sour relations between BoS and NCR
Todd: NCR, no better than common thieves.
Courier: I thought you lived in a metal bunker, not a glass house.
This speechoption requires bloody mess because it fucking massacres poor todd
Oh Todd Howard, Todd Howard, Todd Howard...
It's kinda poetic when you when you neglect this event with the bad outcome, then neglect the president's safety soon after.
To be fair to the brotherhood, the NCR is walking around in armor the striped from the dead bodies of brotherhood soldiers. If they’re working together, the least they could do is give it back
Think about it this way: would you be comfortable serving alongside the man who’s wearing armor that he stripped off your wife’s corpse? Armor that serves a sudo-religious purpose, and that he then tore apart and repainted
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Yup that's pretty messed up.
They should return it, yes, but I think it would be reasonable to do it after the battle.
@@ErtaiCZ Agreed, this is the most diplomatic and reasonable solution.
Huh, never knew about what the NCR did to the suits. Now I feel bad for the users, I assume that the unaltered suites would have nbc like potection with some sort of climate control which I assume is compromised somewhat when the joints are altered. The NCR power armor troops have to lug around armor made of metal without assistance from servos in the Navada heat, all day.
Idk why this wasn’t ever patched. Seeing Paladin Todd there was a little weird, he kinda just stands there vibing
Now imagine all the hard work you done for making these two an ally, ruined by Col. Moore being "These PA is our now!" * Kill the paladin * and BoS are just "Ok, guess we go war"
Really why i can’t stand colonel Moore. She is an instigator who starts things because of her own pride.
@@crimsondynamo615 And an unhealthy dose of pragmatic patriotism.
@@crimsondynamo615 I actually think of the NCR as good actions turned bad. She's probably thinking of her own yet because she doesn't see the full picture she makes bad decisions. Kinda like most high ranking military officials and burocrats.
@@crimsondynamo615 it's honestly great writing though. Makes it a lot easier for players to pick a side other than the NCR. Considering how much I hate her, it was a breath of fresh air seeing an NCR officer not be hopeless and just trying to guilt you into joining them by saying "legion bad"
It's normal we don't see Paladin Todd.
After all, "Sometimes it doesn't just work"
To me it always seemed like that the reason Paladin Todd was wearing the T45 and not the Brotherhood T51, is that it's not faction armor (even tho the texture has a BOS logo on the shoulders), meaning the NPCs don't turn on him and attack him.
This makes the brotherhood seem pretty stupid and unreasonable.
It's right before an incredibly important battle why on earth would the Army handicap itself right before to make the BOS feel better.
It's a fight you should have after the battle.
Considering they are trading the hunks of scrap metal for highly armored, heavily armed walking tanks on their side...
I think it is incredibly reasonable.
The NCR would be better off disbanding the Heavy Infantry in favor of an alliance with the Mojave Brotherhood, and it would literally take what is basically a token gesture of good will.
Imagine your country formed an alliance with a former enemy nation, and that enemy nation was outfitted with arms and uniforms stolen off the corpses of your fallen compatriots. The returning of those items would be a clear sign of good will.
It's showing that the BoS are still huge pricks, even though they are going to die out no doubt. But for why, it's simple in my opinion, the Brotherhood, despite being outnumbered and decimated, i feel like the NCR would want to avoid having to go to war again and lose more soldiers to these heavily armored troops.
Oh and you're right, but Obsidian being given no dev time go brrrrrrrrrr
The Brotherhood of Steel resumed in one interaction.
The brotherhood are stupid and unreasonable tho. The Fallout 3 Brotherhood were not true to the other games. Even in 4 they come off as arrogant asshats
Love these videos! Keep it up!
Yeah this seems like it was removed because they felt the dialogue was subpar, it would have been better if the checks involved talking about respecting the fallen to the Col. and something about continuing the legacy of the fallen paladins for Todd.
It wasnt removed though, it just didnt work properly
It actually happened once in my (god knows how many) playthrough, but at that time a bug causing Todd to duplicate and after I talked to Moore one of the Todds died. I just amazed that someone died horrifically and it wasn't my fault.
“NCR, no better than common thieves.”
My brother in Christ, you guys are literally the Fallout equivalent of the Space Magpies
I vaguely remember having this scenario occur in one of my playthroughs many years ago, but never really thought about it. I remember siding with the brotherhood to return the power armor. However I might be remembering a cut content video I’ve watched
It could of been a video, although there's a chance it could of been in a unpatched/updated/day one version of the gane from a very long ago
Makes me wonder if the BOS even had boddys to fill the suits.
I’m pretty sure this dialogue happened to me in my unmodded game. Except that I couldn’t do anything to resolve it and I could move around when Todd demanded the armor
the literal single time I ever played the NCR path I got this cutscene, damn...
Actually, with Jsawyer mod as the man himself Josh Sawyer stated, power armor aren't supposed to have the special training or Bethesda power armor training perk to equip power armor. This was intended by Josh to make New Vegas to be close to classic Fallout 1 and Fallout 2.
The reason it needed the training perk was to gate player from getting the power armor early in Fallout 3 as Bethesda do not know how to balance the game proper just because they refused to use Damage Threshold(DT) armor system. Jsawyer mod addressed this balance problem by giving the player a temporary debuff if player manage to get power armor early on in New Vegas. The debuff can be remove by learning the perk of training with several NPCs that offer it ingame since Obsidian already have it there. A clever way of Josh to make sure that power armor was nothing more than just a walking tank with several flaws in combat and not some kind of OP stuff.
In New Vegas, without Jsawyer mod, it's require to have that perk but that's because Obsidian don't have much time to manage the game development as they have to reused asset from Fallout 3, that's why most fans will said that Jsawyer mod was the last official patch or DLC to the game before Bethesda took over New Vegas from Obsidian after their contract ended, shame really.
I honestly requiring training makes sense and should of stayed in 4.
Colonel Moore is bae.
ikr
I always loved Moore.
I have had this scene three times because I loaded my old save. Never saw it before I installed the patch. I tried both speech check choices and then let them work it out and Moore gave the armor back. I finished my last hardcore run with letting NCR keep the armor. A lot less died when they had the armor.
I didn't realize it was cut content. Mods can fix stuff you didn't realize they fixed.
A truce gives you the best ending for the BoS in an NCR playthrough - the Brotherhood helps patrol I-15 and Highway 95. But if you're going for an independent New Vegas and you don't destroy the bunker, they just go on being jerks, not unlike the ones that slaughtered a Followers outpost.
I used console commands to take a few Brotherhood members prisoner in the basement of the Lucky 38 before destroying the bunker (Ibsen, Lorenzo, Torres, Schuler etc - named NPCs who didn't seem like complete jerks). These would've moved to the bunker and died there if they were just about anywhere else.
Regardless of faction preference, the BoS is the logical choice here as they'll be able to restore the armor and use it to it's fullest effect, rather than as a sluggish, servo-stripped tin can.
Yeah but they have no soldiers to wear it
Because of course an NPC named Todd would wear the T-45 while insisting that power armor belongs to the Brotherhood only
I wish we could see interactions between all the factions you brought together in the peaceful NCR ending. A conversation between the BOS and the boomers would be pretty interesting lol.
I like the Brotherhood, but the NCR won that armor fair and square. If the Brotherhood were to defeat the Boomers for example, and take their simulators and weaponry, they would never give it back up. It would belong to the Brotherhood and that would be that.
Yeah fr you cant come begging after you got your ass beat. To the ppl who beat your ass in the first place
Very fair point my friend
@@__Theta__ not really. Because the brotherhood currently work off a corrupted ideology where they horde this stuff primarily to keep people in check and stop another Great War (even though by I believe two they moved on from this thinking and just want to monitor those with it). They believe in keeping dangerous stuff like that out of the power vacuum. Which is more realistically why they want it back. It’s not because it’s our stuff and more no one should have this unless you’re with us because we don’t trust outsiders with this power.
It might sound like I'm lying but I remember triggering this year's ago on my Xbox 360.
The end scene dialogue about the NCR returning the armor always seemed out of place. Thanks!
I'm pretty sure the average NCR Heavy trooper is going to agree with the Paladin on this one. Unpower armour can't be fun to wear for any real period. And I am not sold on the actual viability in combat.
Will be sure to download
When you speak to Todd he only acts like a random NCR soldier with lines like "President Kimball probably won't come back after his assassination attempt" or "We won't stand down, the Legion can count on it"
Considering how the NCR-BoS alliance results in the NCR giving the power armor to the BoS anyway, it would be fine for the BoS to be mature for one battle and let even more people have extra armor protection from Legion gunfire. Although, either of them having power armor is a bit annoying. On the one hand the heavy troops would be used to protect brahmin baron douchebags instead of being put into combat and on the other hand the Brotherhood of Steel are hypocrites obsessed with hoarding technology they don't have any more of a right to than the average tribal.
I never knew about this.
i never knew this was cut content coz in the wiki they say it like its in the game and i was always confused why i didn't hear this.
i also have a mandela effect of seeing this scene as a kid, was it removed/cut at some point?
It was originally functional if you played the retail version of the game without newer patches/dlc, a later update broke/disabled this encounter
@@IncultaWolf so i did see this scene once! wow,i was a kid back then since i did buy it irl as retail (dad did) as im 18 now ^^
So that's why Moore is just standing there alone when I get back to the dam. Huh.
You'd hope the NCR still had the servos lying around somewhere lol.
This would be a great idea to resolve their conflict.
I think he forgot the rules of the Wasteland, if you kill someone then all their stuff is up for grabs and that includes Brotherhood Knights and Paladins killed by the NCR during their fight over the Helios 1.
Imagine the NCR returning the armor to the BoS, only for the BoS to realize that they're basically nothing more than metal armor that weighs a fuckton
That is fascinating.
Although Moore is right, it’s stupid to strip some of your best troops of their armor before the battle, the Paladin should definitely get it back after the battle, since I have a feeling the Brotherhood would put it to better use the the NCR did.
Huh, I always play with YUP, didn't realize that this is broken in vanilla.
Why the fuck would you order the execution of a diplomatic envoy? Thank fuck this never made it to the full game.
Zip it current thing supporter
@@kitosjek9541 No.
nice video
Thank you!
Honestly I preferred giving power armor to settlement protectors like those of megaton and rivet city, just because I’ve never liked the main powers like NCR, Legion, BOS. It’s the little places that need the best protection
I think I remember it working for me like 8 years ago
I don't think this was a bug, but rather it was cut because it didn't make any sense to have them at each other's throats despite your efforts.
Oh it definitely did
The virgin brotherhood paladin(read as: weakling) needing a servos to help him walk with his suit vs the chad jacked NCR power armor who uses his own strength like the actual paladins of old to carry his suit
No, the paladin is just smart and knows he can be more effective and carry more weaponry without the extra weight. The NCR are stupid and untrained, and are too dumb to figure out how to use power armor
LOL true
I actually had this scene in my playthrough, but I was able only speak to Moore, not paladin either
why?
“More inferior T45D” mah brodda in Christ, it’s better because of the looks!
NCR no better common than thieves!? We can say the same to the Brotherhood who would just steal a simple water purifier from a farmer.
If Amazon wrote this cutscene it would start with Colonel Moore saying "Take off your power armor 😏"
I don't think I've evr come across this bit
good stuff
i dont think i will check that out the 1800th ''unofficial patch'' ah yes certainly i will download this mod certainly
I would also suggest the living dessert mod.
Techno battlemage who regularly steals AA batteries from poor wastelanders: yOu sToLE tHOsE!!!
actually this is still in the game but there's no dialog and if you try to talk to todd he just says what ncr would say at hoover dam
enclave: that power armor is properly of the us army
I think my game glitched and gave me the end scene of the encounter where the colonel gives up the armor
All T-45d armor should be turned over to the NCR so we never have to see those ridiculous pauldrons ever again.
Most based take
This won't work for me. It gives me a glitch won't let me make peace with the ncr.
I always hated Colonel Moore, especially after what she did to the Kings.
Still amazes me on how stupid Todd is. This is a good chance to have peace, but instead He demands that the NCR shouldn't have them because Copyright or some shit. Like One, Its barely theirs now, especially that it got customized and refitted, and Two, They kicked their asses with overwhelming numbers. Like, The NCR would have finished the Job and Wiped them out if it weren't for Caesar and his legion. So Elder McNamara kinda was stupid on sending him instead of someone who can be more diplomatic, like a scribe or something.
Not that Moore is any more of a diplomat.
Honestly, this is the same as sending Ulfric and Tulius to negotiate the truce in Skyrim,
"Yes, let's send two individuals that have no desire for peace and even have personal vendettas against one another. What could go wrong?"
I get what the BOS means to a degree considering it was looted off dead BOS troops of high ranks but the ncr at least needs it to fight and can be given back after the battle but Moore killing the representative shows how unreasonable the ncr can be at times she wanted to go to war with the chapter from the start rather make peace
D45D?
Based on how stilted the dialog sounds, I can see why it was never a priority fixing the bug that prevented the scene from happening.
ok so we're going to strip everything that makes power armour so good, essentially turning it into a wearable hunk of metal that weighs a ton (because we cant be fucked to figure out how to actually use it), and now that the wearer has to hold up 200kg of gear just to stand up, we're going to give them a heavy weapon, amazing idea. And the brotherhood somehow think its worth the trouble of getting these lobotomised power armours back, because they just cant help themselves i guess.
Am I Trippin or did this work on my Xbox because it did
I never liked Colonel Moore. she gets mad at the courier for making a more peaceful option between the brotherhood and ncr that would make the battle of hoover dam even easier
Everybody gets mad at your for making peace with the brotherhood, even Yes Man makes passive aggressive remarks about how "Theyll end up being our biggest enemy." and Mr House outright refuses to side with them.
I mean, she has good reason to despise them. She fought against them back in California when the BoS started the war.
I'm pretty sure I got that scene
Probably because I played fnv nonstop before any bugs got fixed and much of controversial content was cut.
I'm really confused about this scene. I remember seeing it in one of my first play throughs of fallout new Vegas, but never again after it. This was on Xbox so it wasn't a mod. To be honest in though I imagined it, so it's good to know I'm not completely insane.
Paladin “Todd”, huh?
When I used to play on the Xbox 360 it would usually play out just fine, idk If it still works or not,
New Vegas: 1:19
Fallout 4: *autistic screeching
Nate was in the army and nora probably learned basics from him
The tragedy of what FNV could have been with the development time and resources of Cyberpunk 2077, Red Dead Redemption, etc. and/or a good publisher.
It may be inferior armor but it looks better
Goes to show that New Vegas is great but is still unfinished. If Oblivion had enough time to finish the game instead of rushing.
Wish I would have known about this earlier 😡😠
I prefer my Cassandra Moore when she gaslights the brotherhood, Gate keeps the followers, And girl bosses the NCR.
Those who know, know.
Pretty sure Xbox 360 had this scene. I remember it happening once
3:15 I think my new vegas game glitched or something because moore said this when I was at the hoover dam
I had power armor on so um
I may have killed everyone at hoover dam