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This guy did not call to have a conversation, he called to read his script. I feel like the end goal was to redefine atheism into a positive claim, making it adopt a burden of proof that it doesn’t currently have.
I could tell immediately by the way he spoke that he was interested in an argument rather than a discussion. He wasn't going to back down on what he believed, thinking he had 'checkmate atheists' in the bag.
The problem is that even if a person was to say "There is no God" there is no evidence that can be presented that will prove a no god claim true. You can't find evidence for non-existent things.
It will always be the responsibility of the person making the claim of the existence of something to prove the existence of that thing.
I think you're crediting it with too much intelligence. This human-adjacent failure was just here to pull its pants down and announce itself as an obstinate buffoon who's "parents" died of shame when it squelched out onto the filthy, fetid floor of some run down rent-by-the-hour motel room, broadcasting their shame to the world.
@@markcostello5120
And that's exactly why the Default Position on existence is "fails to exist unless demonstrated."
It seems a bit asymmetrical, in that the question is really undecided. But the universe gets very crowded if we have to fill it with all of the things whose existence is undecided.
So, for ordinary propositions, those are simply held as undecided. For existence claims as s slightly special case, they're not even put on the map without justification.
90% or more of the callers just want to read from their script. My favorite ones are the ones that as part of their script ask a question, then don't get the answer they expected, and still try to stick to the script using the answer they were expecting rather than the one they got.
Atheism isn’t a philosophy, it’s a statement of opinion on one question
Nope atheism is a disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.. atheism is rejection based it has nothing to do with evidence has nothing to do with science has nothing to do with critical thinking. Matter of fact you're not even required to be able to think to be an atheist.
Even if it's proven by the scientific method the origins of life was the result of a Creator AKA God The atheist still wouldn't accept it.
@@AtheismIsDestructiveThe definition you cited does NOT contradict the OP.
@@amtlpaul
[Edit: I now see that you were responding to a hidden comment. My criticism is primarily directed at that comment. Sorry about the inadvertent friendly fire.]
Indeed it does. The caller described atheism as a "negative philosophy, and negative philosophies don't exist."
To begin with, the caller managed to pack three Bare Assertion fallacies into this one sentence, attempting to infer that atheism is therefore absurd.
Next, you're strictly incorrect to argue that NOT ACCEPTING A CLAIM is sufficient to constitute a philosophy. If it were, then simply doubting the claim that there's milk in the fridge would qualify as a philosophy. At that rate, EVERY position on EVERY claim would constitute a philosophy, rendering the term "philosophy" meaningless.
But if that was your goal, congratulations. You've now rendered your own position meaningless.
@@amtlpaul a refusal or inability to accept something is not an opinion on one question .
@@AtheismIsDestructive Again, That's NOT in the definition you cited. Why are you brazenly lying?
Why are theists so dreadfully affronted that someone doesn't want to join their tribe?
We are rejecting their entire world view. And when they have no demonstrable evidence, just dreams and happy feelings, it can be scary to be presented with a claim that you're completely wrong with how you see the world.
@@jeffparent2159 I don't even go to that effort. I don't care what they believe. I just shrug at it.
@@RideAcrossTheRiverbut that's the point- our disbelief is the rejection. We don't have to openly challenge or insult them. The fact that nonbelievers exist at all threatens them.
Christianity teaches that not believing in God is the greatest of all sins and a fast pass to hell. It bothers them that it doesn’t bother us.
Cognitive dissonance can be very disquieting. Deists live in the real world but believe that there are invisible demons flying around and that they're going to be immortal, in the complete absence of any evidence. And you're pointing that out to them.
When arrogance meets ignorance you get this guy
Yep. He came to the conversation in full on confrontation mode. This type of verbal attack demonstrates an evident weakness in the person. The worrying thing is that there are so many like him.
We are all born atheists. What religion you eventually fall for depends on what fairytale your parents decide to tell you.
I don't understand why people argue about the meaning of Atheism, all they need to do is to demonstrate that a god exists.
Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
are unitedly claiming that -
1. the GOD and Father of Jesus Christ doesn't exist
2. the BIBLE is just a worthless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales.
So, why are Atheists and Christians debating and arguing about God and Gods?
What for?
@@jaflenbond7854 blabla from insane mind
@@Seticzech The LIES, DECEITS, and FALSE CLAIMS and TEACHINGS of ATHEISTS and CHRISTIANS
versus
the LOVE, KINDNESS, GOODNESS, and BLESSINGS of GOD and JESUS CHRIST to HUMAN BEINGS
Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
are
all FREE to fill the world with hatred, arrogance, treacheries, unkindness, hypocrisies, ungratefulness, cruelties, deceits, and -
1. LIE and false claim that the GOD and Father of Jesus Christ doesn't exist
2. LIE and false claim that the Bible is just a worthless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales
3. LIES and Unbiblical teachings and doctrines about "hellfire", "afterlife", "immortality of the souls", "Armageddon", "Trinity", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
but
can never change the TRUTHS
that
the teaching of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" written in Luke 4: 43
will
ensure that all persons on earth who willingly submit to the authority of Jesus Christ in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18
can live and exist on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4
and
the teaching of Jesus Christ about the "Resurrection of the Dead" written in John 11: 25, 26
is the guarantee
that
loving, kind, considerate, and respectful persons on earth
who
died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others
will
all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of GOD and his Christ for eternity
under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his GOD and Father's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
Attacking atheism is a cop out, because they can't demonstrate the existence of any god.
They gain emotional and psychological support when others share their belief. And this emotional and psychological support is challenged when they realize someone doesn't agree with them or doesn't accept it as the truth. It's a challenge and an affront to their self esteem.
It’s so infuriating how many of these “arguments” from theists are either trying to define their god into existence or trying to define atheism into irrelevance.
When you have no evidence to prove your claims, all you're left with is word games.
It's only infuriating at first, after a few decades you start to realize all these chest slappin mouth breathers say the same things over and over. You'll eventually come to consider Pascal's Wager to be another four-letter word. Their arguments only work when they're made in an echo chamber of other sterile potatoes that simply agree without thinking.
It doesn't matter to me how they decide to define atheism. I still don't believe their god claims.
@@gregsimmons694 "If you don't know what a sinner looks like , look In the mirror my friend"
Like, the one on my ceiling?
@@gregsimmons694 If I used the brains that the christian gods gave me, I'd have nothing to use. So no thanks.
I looked in the mirror and i didn't see a sinner. So not sure what you are blathering about and why you behave like an enemy yet pretend to be a friend. Are you a christian? you talk like a duplicitous christian.
This guy came on the phone angry. He just wanted a fight.
What happens when you never leave the bible belt.
This!
Anybody can leave the Bible belt states, the people living under atheistic humanist North Korea wish they had the ability to leave their atheistic county.
Matter of fact approximately 90% of the world's atheist come from atheistic governments AKA Communist governments forced into atheism.
The belief in God is believed because it's proven to be an instinctive thought and or a logical conclusion whereas the belief the origins of Life came into existence without God has not been proven to be an instinctive thought and it hasn't been proven to be a logical conclusion.
Why is it so many atheists humanists choose to live under what Christians created which is modern Western Civilization rather than live under their godless atheist humanist Utopias like North Korea
Yep
PS I grew up in New York City, I lived in multiple different states throughout my life.. it's a shame the talmud requires its followers to force non followers into atheism.
Nothing worse than a useful idiot and an atheist humanist is the biggest useful idiot
It must be tough to realize that not everybody thinks the way you do.
Or they dont believe in your favourite fairy tales.
It is when you're a child. Most adults learn to cope with it
I guess, if you never attended first grade.
Faith is the art of lying to yourself. Critical thinking is the art of questioning yourself.
Not only does atheism not require critical thinking it doesn't even require the ability to think.
Case in point if you replace the brain of somebody who believes in God with a rock and you replace the brain of an agnostic with a rock and you do the same thing with an atheist what you end up with is 3 atheist. Because if they all had a rock in their head instead of a brain they would have a disbelief in god and on willingness or inability to accept God .
The approach of atheism is the complete opposite of the scientific approach.. if you're not willing or able to accept something you're not able to critically think.
Critical faith is the art of getting really confused 🙂
@@gregsimmons694 What is an atheist belief?
Have faith that one day, this beautiful girl or handsome man will surely marry you. 😂
@@sootuckchoong7077 That is called wishing. Same reply over and over. Faith is not hope, faith is not a wish, faith is belief without evidence. You have to lie to yourself to believe in the unseen. You have to convince yourself it's true no matter what. I know the tools of indoctrination.
Starting at 3:28 Exactly right! Here in Scandinavia we all asume that no one carries around some strange beliefs. If you do you will be met by raised eyebrows and compassion.
But after they shove those strange beliefs down your throat you'll quickly run out of compassion for those poor deluded folks.
Yeah, you would be living under horrific atheist tyranny if those people with 'strange beliefs' didn't protect you from yourselves. Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Mussolini would swallow you up.
@@EdithBromfeldas opposed to living in a theocratic tyranny if numpties like you had their way?
@@EdithBromfeldStalin, Mussolini and Hitler all Catholics. NAZI not atheist. Sorry, but you are peddeling misinformation.
Please check before you post.
I always say that if you are an adult in the 21st Century and you really believe that mumbling an incantation over a cracker turns it into the body of a carpenter who died 2,000 years ago, everything else is on the table.
Every guy who talks like Ben Shapiro is never nearly as smart as he thinks he is.
I was just thinking about that. Supercharged hamster.
😂😂😂
☕🍰 Hôhôhôhô
Especially Ben Shapiro.
Luke called the show 6 times with similar topics and never learned a single thing. He’s either a troll or incredibly dense.
He's both
I suspect the latter
I feel (and I could be wrong) that I'm hearing some kind of autism in his speech. Whether it is something about his neurology or not, he is not understanding the nuanced matter in the conversation.
I’ve had this discussion many times with theists. I’ve come to the conclusion that because their theism is so pervasive in their lives, that they struggle to accept that atheism isn’t the same for atheists.
A lot of the problems between theists and atheists comes from religion being such a big part in many theists life that they can't understand someone not having or needing that.
"aThEisIm Is A rEligIoN, tOo!"
It really is pathetic that religion can so corrode one's mind that it becomes the only framework they are able to work from.
Really?
I’ve never heard such nonsense 😂
They almost always just tell you what they think you think, instead of asking you what you actually think. It's false 99.99% of the time and extremely annoying, but it makes them feel smart.
Once I can legally run for office in Arkansas, Maryland, Mississippi, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas, I'll be a little bit less serious about my atheism
The good news is that those laws to exclude atheists have been legally unenforcable for quite a while so you currently can legally run for office (at least for now, with the current SCOTUS you never know). Of course successfully running as an open atheist is another matter entirely.
Wait, you can't...? Is there a legal requirement to be a theist?
@@sipjedekat8525 of course it's legally unenforceable under the first amendment, so there's no _real_ restrictions in place. But given the present Christofascist supreme court, I wouldn't count on it being legally unenforceable for long.
@@sipjedekat8525 It looks like UA-cam decided to eat (aka. shadowban) my previous comment for no reason so I'll repeat what I said earlier. The OP is referring to some old laws which said you had to belive in a god to hold office. But they were invalidated a long time ago and are no longer enforceable, however they are still *technically* on the books.
So no, you can still run as an atheist in those states. However winning as an open atheist is another matter.
@@andrewsad1 yeah, that's a valid point.
I also thought about an atheist running for president; it's just not feasible because you'd lose too many christian votes.
I'm so freakin glad my mom taught me to avoid cults.
More importantly, Jesus saves sinners like you and I! Use that brain God gave you!
@@gregsimmons694 Jesus saves nobody.
"Use that brain God gave you!" Yours is not working properly, obviously. 😀
@@gregsimmons694 BTW we are not sinners, we don't believe in that man made nonsense called sin.
@@gregsimmons694 Jesus couldn't even save himself, stupid.
@@gregsimmons694Are you referring to the Jesus guy there is no evidence outside the bible for.
How can someone there is no proof of save anyone.
That doesn't make any sense at all.
It must be a religious thing to just pull absolute crap out your backside.😂
"Why is nobody using the definitions that I want?" Proceed to piss and shit myself
Luke sounds like he has a monumental chip on his shoulder. I thought that the atheists were supposed to be the angry ones?
I am angry about being lied to. I am angry that I am told that I need to believe in a lie. I am angry that my ancestors were lied to and wanted me to follow their lies. I am angry that I am supposed to support corrupt organizations as if it were virtuous.
Arizona, says it all
@@petermeichan3160 Arizona says what?
@@jamesparson what?
*becomes Arizona*
dang it, got me again
and why would we be the angry ones?
One reason atheism is awesome:
You don't have to do boring AF God ritual activities like worship and prayer 😎
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And you save 10% of your income. Your God loves money.
Sorry God loves money.
Sounds like: "I dont like your definition therefore I'll change it to one I like better and then argue against that instead"
Literal definition of a Strawman fallacy. 😊
Text literally what atheist do constantly. Atheism is a disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
Which means it's an unwillingness or inability to accept God or gods.
Every time I prove this to an atheist they cry and say things like no words are in prescriptive words are descriptive.. that's not what atheism is to me LOL.. imagine arguing about the meaning of a word and then saying that words are descriptive not prescriptive LOL.
Anyway even more important than the defined meaning of atheism from reputable sources
PS sorry about that hit send early. Even more important than the to find meaning I have an argument based in physical evidence proving that atheism is an unwillingness or inability to accept God but every time I give that argument The atheist just completely ignores it won't even acknowledge its existence.
Atheists like to argue that atheism is whatever an atheist says it is at the moment and that no matter what they say it is that atheists have the default position LOL
@@Gulgathydra so you agree with the Oxford English noun for atheism which is a disbelief or a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. AKA an unwillingness or inability to accept God. or now that you know it's an unwillingness or inability to accept God are you just going to straw man and pretend it's not
@@AtheismIsDestructive
You've erroneously equated disbelief with unwillingness to believe.
It seems that in your world, people can choose their beliefs at will. That's not how it works in the rational world.
You've created a Strawman Fallacy for atheism. It also relies more fundamentally on fallacious Begging the Question, since you've implied that there is a claim worth believing on no evidence.
i find it hard to belief that theists dont understand the concept of atheism.
This guy sounds like he’s not interested in having a conversation about beliefs and philosophy. He’s quite belligerent and sounds angry. Good job diffusing and not getting sucked into it.
A lot of theists sound pissed they have a burden of proof. So it makes sense for them to re-define atheism to add one in.
But it just seems emotional, like the faith itself. Always a lot of black and white thinking in the ‘god’ world/question. No grays allowed.
When asked what is the harm in believing in a god if it makes you happy, Dilihunty says it’s not the particular belief, it’s all the irrational thinking that brought you there that he’s concerned with.
Next best thing to proving god exists seems to be to whine a lot about people that disagree.
I love how disappointed he got when they didn’t bite on his foolishness.
I'm happy to live in the Czech Republic. One of the most atheistic countries in the world.
Prague is one of our favourite cities to visit.
Same here. Can you imagine someone would try to push creationism into our elementary schools? 😀Pure insanity.
@@Seticzech Not only this. Our christians are still no big issue. Islam would be worst.
along with denmark norway sweden iceland and so on 😁
In northern Europe especially anyone claiming a deep religious conviction would have a very hard time to get any position of power. They would be seen with a mix of suspicion and pity, but almost no one would ever want them in a political or other office of power! Neither in the political or in the private arena.
How can a person with beliefs in magic and imaginary friends with magical powers and fairytales as basis for their existence be trusted with power over other people in the real world, where we all actually live?
Yeah, atheists Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Mussolini, Castro, Milosevic,
@@EdithBromfeld They were also dictators. Dictators remove any possible opposition. It wasn't just religious people that went to the gulags. Strange that people like you go to the very worst examples but never mention modern day largely atheist countries such as in Scandanavia where religious people are definitely not oppressed. Not scary enough for your purposes I guess.
@@EdithBromfeld They were authoritarians that never allowed anyone to challenge them. What kind of organizations think they are above challenge. I know, churches.
@@EdithBromfeld They never allowed anyone to challenge them. Just like churches
@@EdithBromfeld
Yeah, the Spanish, French and Portuguese inquisitions. They were really good people in your eyes, right?
The lack of belief of something isn't borrowing from something else. Taking the stance that I do not believe in unicorns isn't borrowing from belief in unicorns, it's simply not being convinced they exist. The lack of a belief in anything is the default position for everyone until sufficient evidence has been provided to convince someone and change their mind.
So the caller thinks that all non-smokers smoke different cigarettes than he does? Do I understand that correctly? And that non-smokers cannot be defined by the fact that they don't smoke cigarettes because there are no "negative philosophies"?
Belief is just the state of being convinced. Theists are convinced that God exists. I’m not. Period. That’s Atheism. The hardest part of Atheism is convincing people that it isn’t anything more than that.
BU TT-hurt Xtians: Why do you force us into questions we CAN NOT answer ... except with a "Invisible Sky Daddy done it."
.
LOLZ
Atheism is the rejection of theistic claims of a god or gods. Can you imagine the same scrutiny against people rejecting claims of ghosts, Fairies, monsters etc. It's bonkers.
Being atheist is one tiny identify of us, not THE defining factor
It's because for THEM theism/chrisitanism IS a bigger party of their personality. So because You reject one part, You HAVE to reject ALL.
But we don't do, and there is the disconect.
Dude, Its because of theists that we had to invent the word atheist ....
People at school, work, sports talk us about god, church, afterlife, sins etc...
How can we explain we don't give a shit with no word ?
Without any theist we would never had to come with a word to deal with nonsense .
actually athiest is what the romans called chritians
exactly. there are no agaloopties because there are no galoopties. so by that reasoning everyone is an agaloopty by default.
@@billjohnson9472 I like it, can I be an agaloopsy too! I’m a joiner. Are there meetings that I can NOT attend?
@@LOwens-xf8yo you have to learn the secret handshake and greetings.
Atheist is what the romans called Christian’s for not believing their gods.
I believe your assertion that 80% of the population believes some kind of god exists falls short of actual reality, for I firmly believe a large portion of those people just say so because it’s the commonly acceptable thing to say & be in “decent” society, just to get along.
In other words it is vanity.
Isn't there a term for that. Like holiday something or other. It's people who just show up for like Easter and Christmas services and the rest of the year it has no impact on their lives
Agreed. If Xtians really believed their bunk then they wouldn't mourn their dead family and friends. After all, they only have to wait a short while to spend eternity with them. At the heart of it, most don't really believe. They are just hedging their bets (Pascal's Wager) and virtue signaling to others.
I agree with your hypothesis.
Example the last Aussie census was the first time that Aussies were given the choice to tick "No Religion" as an option under "religious affiliation"
The number of Aussie who ticked "No Religion" was 38.9%, so there is real evidence that supports your hypothesis.
Congressman Barney Frank felt able to come out as gay in the 1970s but he didn't come out as atheist until after he retired because to do so would have been political suicide in a country where the majority of the population believe in imaginary sky pixies. Religion is the main reason why America is so f*cked up. Here in the UK religtards are like hen's teeth. We notice them even less than their numbers would suggest because when they come out into the open they're generally considered nutters so they slink around in the shadows.
To go with the Superbowl analogy, outside the US saying that you don't care about the Superbowl is redundant because no one cares about it, but it's worthy of note in the US because many people _do_ care.
Not in the US but I do care about the Superbowl and the respective sport for the entire season, so you're not speaking for everyone outside the United States
@@mestrinimaster3602 You're the exception, not the rule.
My father has always been an atheist and a Republican. Atheism only affects what he doesn’t do on Sunday mornings.
@@gregsimmons694 Wow you just totally proved god is real and I have now given up atheism with that undeniable proof you showed that wasn't just babble.
@@gregsimmons694 Given the fact that sin is a religious concept, how can a person who has never held a belief in any gods/god sin?
@LOwens-xf8yo Nearly all my friends are Republicans, and we are all atheists. Sadly, the media deliberately distorts the reality of this country.
One of my biggest pet peeves since leaving theism and Christianity. Evangelicals telling me what I believe/don't believe. Good lord the cringe. 🤦🏻♂️
I was raised Jewish. I can confirm - we believe in god. (I don't, but I did when I was growing up)
Of course there is no singular Jewish experience.
Yeah and the audacity to assert that "I believe in (true) god and he/she believes in god, but not the same god, therefore false, trying to equate atheism and other theists in the same label to create some incoherent definition of (true) theist is kinda messed up...
Atheism is the label we use to describe a position that there isn't enough evidence to accept that a god or gods exist. We could use any label but atheist has a reasonable linguistic basis.
What is is about theists that they can't understand this. I also don't believe that purple dragons exist because of the same lack of evidence.
I don't blame the kids that bullied this caller.
After apparently converting to Christianity, Ben Shapiro is more confused than ever. Wow. What a call.
Edith Bromfeld alias Jim Castleberry claims that 1) God causes actions to be morally good or bad regardless of our own subjective beliefs; 2) Not believing in God somehow OBLITERATES this divine morality! 😅
Atheism is not about right or wrong. It's a belief statement.
A religious person makes a claim that can't be proven or hasn't been proven and an atheist simply says, "I don't believe you." That's it. It's not that difficult. 🤦🏽♂️
One belief is not a belief system.
Hello my friend! Holy bible and dean odles biblical flat earth presentation destroys atheist beliefs and globe beliefs! Time to get a new gig atheists!
@@vladtheemailer3223 They didn't say belief system. They said belief statement.
@@gregsimmons694 🤣🤣🤣
@@gregsimmons694🤔🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
Luke is a proud graduate of the Ben Shapiro School of Aggressive Vocal Inflection.
The description that came to me was Gentile Shapiro.
He is from the Ben Shapiro school of saying stupid, demostrably false sh*t really fast. That makes you sound really intelligent. 🤷♂
Calls in already angry. Never should have took the call.
Informing someone that I am an atheist, conveys to them that I do not hold a belief in god(s), but also informs them that the decisions that I make and the actions I implement will not include a component derived from god(s), or religions. When I tell you that murder is immoral, that belief that I hold, is not based on a god who said; "Thou shall not kill". No god(s) exist in my decision making processes.
Disbelief in God is unreasonable if and only if God's existence is demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt by means of a rigorously impartial process of evaluating the available evidence.
Not believing in ancient superstition should be the default position.
As a lifelong Atheist, that brothers hair is god.
You don't hear theists calling each other out with a pejorative like "atheist" to say, because you don't believe in my God you're an Atheist, said no theist, ever, except this guy.
A: I think Vanilla Ice Cream is the best flavor of Ice Cream.
B: I don't like Ice Cream.
A: Your position isn't valid, because you don't think Vanilla Ice Cream is the best!
B: 😐
Where his argument falls apart is when he asserts that God is some kind of singular agreed-upon thing, and does not deviate from that description. The reason he can't wrap his head around atheism is because he believes that to be an atheist requires you to first agree that the Christian god is the one and only true god, and then go about rejecting it, which sound so silly, and if done with every religion wouldn't work, because you would have to carry all of those different labels.
It sounds silly, because it is silly. Atheists have saved themselves the effort of just bundling all the supernatural claims together with their shared trait, and then rejecting that.
If Luke got his way, then literally every version of Christianity that isn't his, as well as literally every other religion in the world, would collectively agree that he is the exclusive holder of the claim of god; they all believe in something else and now need to come up with new words, because the word god belongs to him. An intensely narcissistic worldview which we will not be adopting, thanks but no thanks.
It seems like the caller is very confused, assuming the definition "lack belief in (my) god" rather than "lack belief in gods".
Someone send that man a dictionary and a note. "Don't Overthink it"
Felt like this guy was trying to 'word salad' his way through much like Jordan Petersen.
"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool."
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere."
Voltaire
No one would believe in God unless they are taught to, forced to or lived 100000 years ago. The struggle to invalidate this is absurd and laughable.
Holy shit, this guy is like a character calling you from inside of a Kids In The Hall sketch, he's hilarious.
Bruce McCullouch, I think. An adult version of the little kid character. "You know Jewish people? They don't believe in Jesus? My uncle says that that means they are atheists."
*How is atheism being a lack of belief in a god or gods, subjective from religion to religion?* Atheists across the planet can literally say, "I do not believe in a god or gods" and every single one of them mean the same thing. Billions of people across the planet can all say, "I believe in God" and there will be billions of different understandings and ideas about what that means. Yes, religion is extremely subjective (which is clearly evidence against the veracity of the claims). Atheism? Not really.
WTH does he mean, a negative philosophy? Atheist simply state that they do not belief a god or gods exist. That statement exists. That view exists. Atheism does not claim anything else. There is no "atheist philosophy." His second attempt to create something that is not there.
"Believing in god is not as compartmentalized as atheists tend to imply." What? Of course it is compartmentalized. To believe in a god, you must acknowledge _at least two compartments:_ 1. The natural world that we can see, hear, touch, taste, smell, interact with, experience things in, etc., etc., etc., and 2. An existence outside of all of that that exists. Those are two distinct compartments. Atheists do not claim any of that stuff. Atheists do not profess a belief in anything. So, there is no "atheist philosophy". Atheists simply state their view that there is no god or gods. Full stop.
People produce inane thought experiments, convince themselves that they are reality, and that everyone must accept them.
This the kind of guy who could have an argument with a dictionary.
Needing to believe in something watching you is not way to be good, it's a way to play good... if you are good you watch you, you know what you do, if you are good you want to be good because you care more about the people and things you see... if you are simply trying to get into a good place by being good you are not good... and so believing that is more likely that you are not good in your core but trying to get accepted into a good place to live when you die... if people really cared about being watched then all would agree to a world of personally worn CCTV so always the truth was know to each other
The caller's argument can be condensed to: if you would just agree to use the definitions I want you to use, you would agree that atheism is ridiculous.
_"Please state the nature of the medical emergency!"_
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Even holograms have more substance than his arguments
When Luke started talking, I thought yewtoob was still set on 1.5 speed from a previous video.
This guy has been on a lot, he always comes charging right out of the gate and ends up falling on his face.
He's conflating "God" as a name with "god" as a being so that he can call non-Christians "atheists"?
3 Totally Valid Reasons Why I Reject Christianity.
1) Anyone who creates something and then blames the creation for not meeting the creators expectations, can only be perceived as a fool.
2) Knowledge is that thing Christianity's God did not want humans to have. A lack of knowledge leads to speculation and superstition.
3) We have zero documents, document fragments, or words on any page written from the biblical character, Jesus’, own hand. That’s seriously poor divine inerrant record keeping.
I watched Westworld and think it is exceptional entertainment.
There are no words in the Hebrew Torah that translate into the english "God" but Jewish people still believe in a God.
I do not have problem that people have faith in some/any gods, problem for me is that all religions are forced into people from the birth.
Parents of newborn child decide for him/her in what god belive, poisining mind of this new life. Those childs are put in the mind trap, sometimes for whole life, and also sometimes resulting in wrong or even catastrophic decisions about their future.
I don't get why theists don't understand that THEY came up with the idea of a god and started believing in it; and atheists are reacting and rejecting that claim.
People usually start telling others a POSITIVE claim!
I've never seen anybody run around claiming that they believe there are no six legged horses, no seven legged horses, no eight legged horses, no nine legged horses, the list of things they they believe do not exist would extend into infinity and is a completely useless and a ridiculous endeavour.
Are you saying that Sleipnir isn't real? Then what does Odin ride around on?
Let’s change the definition of atheism because some random Christian doesn’t understand it 😂
I would say most Christians n most other theists do not understand atheism..
The delusion is strong with this one... 😂
Words can mean something completely unconnected,
case in point; when
Australians say 'thongs' they typically refer to flip flops...
It's so funny to me when they play word games and then think because they've made up some word games that will change our beliefs. How about, I'll explain what I believe to you, then you can call it whatever you want.
These smug callers crack me up. I think this guy really thinks he’s smart and has this great point to make. When in reality he’s just being obtuse.
Atheism is a lack of belief in gods not just one god.
Are you convinced that leprechauns exist? If yes, you are a leprechaunist. If not, you are an aleprechaunist. Now, substitute leprechaun for gods and devils. It's really that simple.
He's arguing semantics. If he wants "atheism" to mean the opposite of theism to align with other words using the a- prefix (which isn't even what the prefix means) for "consistency," then fine. He then has to come up with a new term for the position of lacking belief in God. It's like he thinks he can nullify the position entirely if he can take away the words for it, which isn't how language or beliefs work.
I don't like the fact that words are defined ny usage which changes over time. I would rather they be consistent. But I don't deny the fact that they are not, and I accept the burden of defining what I mean when I use contentious definitions.
Atheism is the default state of 'I don’t believe you and won’t believe until you start providing evidence.' Stating God as fact means you are telling falsehoods or someone else has told you falsehoods, but the rot stops here.
It makes no sense to define atheism as a belief that God does not exist for many reasons, including the fact that "God" isn't universally defined. "God does not exist" presupposes monotheism, for example. Why don't people ever talk about atheism as a belief that gods do not exist? It's always about the singular proper noun "God" because it's from believers who can't grasp the notion of other gods existing (or not) and who have associated "God" with a name and not a category. Even in this conversation the caller talked about a lack of belief in "God" (and not "gods") because he likely only interested in his notion of "God."
Usually because a lot of theists cannot accept the possibility that their God figure does not exist. So it becomes a false dichotomy of saying "God exists" or "God doesn't exist." Instead of the more open "God might not exist, so I don't believe until there's more information or evidence"
OH BS. Atheism has always been defined as the doctrine that no God or gods exists. Agnosticism on belief was the neutral position.
Modern atheist liars began hiding atheism behind these phony, non-standard definitions indistinguishable from agnosticism about ten years ago.
Only atheists refuse to make the proper distinction between what most modern theists believe (God) and the gods.
Even worse, the caller was trying to say that "lack of belief in god" is a problem with the definition because there are many gods. I'm not sure why he did not consider the definition "lack of belief in gods" since that would appear to address his objection. It would also address his issue about Jewish people being atheists since they lack a belief in the caller's god, but they obviously do not lack belief in "gods".
No it hasn't, @@EdithBromfeld
I think that his reluctance to understand or to accept the meaning of the word "atheism" is his defense mechaism. If he accepts the meaning of "atheism" as Russell explains , he is afraid that it might actually make sense, which in turn may shake his theistic view and possibly his faith.
So true dichotomies don't make sense to this caller! I believe in a god (theist), I do not believe in a god (atheist). It is straight forward pal!
The less television the better! Used to be called "the idiot box" in the 70s-80s. For very good reason.
The problem is more with theism, it isn't consistent. There are soooo many different theists and they are ALL CORRECT.
Hah! True!! "Getcher god here. One true god here..." 😁😁😁
Even when we present them this fact, they continue to think they're right. Same when they face a muslim. When two people are both 100% convinced of something, but they're both convinced of contradictory things, at least one of them must be wrong. Which means that both have at most 50% chance to be correct ("at most" because both can be wrong, but both cannot be true at the same time). Another point is that you cannot be part to a religion, but at the same time simply dismiss every other religions. You can't be a christian but simply say about islam that it's a false religion. That doesn't apply to atheism because we don't have the hypocrisy to simply dismiss muslims while being part of another religion (we don't dismiss every religion "but one", we dismiss all religions the same way)
"it didn't help" he says. Yes obviously, if you refuse to accept the common usage of a word, and then also refuse to just sidestep the word entirely and just listen to someone else's actual position, you've succesfully prevented yourself from learning anything. Congratulations....
"I do not agree" he says. Well not agreeing a word is used in the way basically everyone but you uses it.... just makes you wrong.
The caller is right. Everyone should use the same definitions for words. So why don’t theists go back and come up with one and only one definition for what ‘God’ is, then atheists can tell you what they believe and not believe in that God.
Words and the meaning of words always change. Otherwise we would still be calling christians "atheists" as that is what Romans called them when the christian cult was first started.
Caller was trying to shift the burden of proof my saying atheism claims there is no god. This is common "misunderstanding" because there are gnostic and agnostic atheists. Gnosticism deals with knowledge. A gnostic atheist will say they are not sure if a god exists or not. Caller was automatically ruling these people out. Either caller is simply confused by the definition of these words (it took me awhile to sort it out in my head when I became an atheist) or they were being dishonest.
The moment any caller uses "Atheist worldview" or "Atheist philosophy" or "Atheist lifestyle" or "Atheist definition" you know s/he is whining about not being able to bear their burden of proof and shifting the burden to the Atheist.
LOLZ
@@RickLambert963 IDGAF what you copy-paste; your garbage will be deleted soon. LOLZ
@@sanjeevgig8918Yep. Just report. It only takes two people to report for the algorithm to purge spam.
I forget the bald presenters name, but I like him a lot. He's just very chill to the point of disarming all these angry callers.
Russel Glasser.
@@Nocturnalux much obliged, kind internet stranger!
You have earned a cookie! 🍪
I live in Europe and it's amazing to me that you actually have a show about this topic! Apart from the Muslims, who take their religion seriously, the rest of us look at the God topic as something that old people used to believe in! 😂
Sorry to say but your show wouldn't last over here! 😜😂
Hello, fellow European! I agree. Religions are losing credibility and are pretty much seen as old people stuff and crazy people stuff. Many are agnostics, but they don't make a lot of noise.
@@einienj3281 Amen, my fellow European 👊🏻😁
@@pizevengu7163 👊🏻😄
@@einienj3281 let's start a religion! Seems like fun! 😂
@@pizevengu7163 😂
This guy has very clearly never spoken to anyone who disagrees with him, because he states something so very clearly dumb as if it's a deep truth.
EDIT: it's hard to pick a dumbest theist argument, but the "adding 'a' to 'thiest' means you say no god exsists since theists say a god exsists," is up there. Someone tell him that "'thiest'" means someone who believes in God, the prefix "a" would change it to someone without God belief.
Thiest = God belief
Atheist = no god belief
What's particularly frustrating is that this isn't a new argument. Playing the language/semantics/wordplay game as if that makes the atheist position less credible.
In the end there he was trying to make it out like the standard definition of theist is 'belief in the Christian god', or as he said 'the one true god', which is not only stupid but also incredibly arrogant.
All it does is require him to pick a new word for lack of belief in God, but he acts as if stealing the word removes the position it described. Desperate and silly.
the 'a' is the *absence* rather than *against* or *antagonstic* of a belief in god(s) - why is it so hard for these nitwits to understand ?
So what it boils down to, as often with theists, is that they assume to know our thoughts better than ourselves.
I’m sure it’s been said already but I assume his motive was to try and shift the burden of proof - so if atheists say god doesn’t exist then they have to prove that - cheap and boring tactics
If not believing in God is a philosophy that does not exist, and your religion does not believe in almost as many gods as my non-religion, does not your philosophy also not exist? Or at least almost non-existant?
Luke is a confused fellow.
It’s painful.. oh it’s painful…
You disagreed with me and that doesn’t help, but thanks anyway. LOL
I watched a video a few days ago which showed Richard Dawkins and Ricky Gervais talking about religion in general. They made a really good point of where there are approx, 3000 gods to believe in, and for example if you believe in the christian god, you are basically atheistic/ agnostic towards 2999 other gods. Therefore, I don't believe in 1 more god than your caller
Oh yeah, this is the "We need 20 days to talk about slavery" guy. Called in this early, it seems
How come smart Texans don't have that southern drawl? It's really a pervasive observation. 🤔
1. Lacking a belief in God (god?) is completely subjective.
I sort of agree with this. There are so many different gods that people believe in. I haven't considered every god that anyone has ever thought was real. god beliefs are subjective so I guess the position of atheism is necessarily subjective.
The conclusion doesn’t follow from the premise. Sure, neither of us are familiar with every god concept that ever was or will be, but we can still say that right now we aren’t convinced that any god concepts exist in reality.
Lacking a belief in God is not subjective it's one thing it's an unwillingness to accept God.
Lack of belief equates to unwilling to accept.. same thing with non-belief same thing with no believe it all equates to unwilling to accept.
And disbelief means unwilling or unable to accept. Atheism is both and unwillingness or an inability to accept God.
Atheism has nothing to do with logic has nothing to do with science has nothing to do with critical thinking.. if you replace the brain of an agnostic a person who believes in God and an atheist with rocks it would result in three atheists.
@@Leith_Crowther
Even if it was proven by the scientific method that the origins of Life as a result of a Creator AKA that God exists an atheist still wouldn't be willing or able to accept God. Because atheism has nothing to do with evidence, nothing to do with logical reasoning it's simply an unwillingness or inability to accept God.
I bet you don't even believe the origins of Life came into existence without creation, without God and if I'm wrong and you do please provide evidence to why you believe that .
And if like I suspect you don't believe the origins of Life came into existence without creation, without God just say the words that you don't believe the origins of Life came into existence without God you should have no problem saying that if it's your position unless you have a bias.
@@AtheismIsDestructive Now that you insulted me, do you feel better? 💐
@@AtheismIsDestructiveBoy. Came up with yet another account, huh. When you use the same phrasing over and over in many threads, ur not fooling anybody
Callers like Luke would be so happy if we went back to the dark ages. If ignorance is bliss no wonder religion offers you paradise