My particular model of this has just gone bad on me and seems to suck amps though the solar in and the fan just wizzes no display , Not sure if it can be repaired or not.
@@AveRage_Joe I took a look around inside but saw no clear damage indicators, I did use thermal camera to find where the energy was all going but it was not to a clear component the pcb was heating up where the main DC cords went in. I dont know if bad mosfets would effect it on this level..
Hello, I have the same inverter with one 100W solar panel. The inverter show the fault led on. The inverter generate 24 Voltios. What means the fault lead on ?
The more watts you put in, the hotter is runs and the sooner the mosfets fry in those cheap Chinese inverters. So it's a good idea to supply substantially lower power panels if you want the inverter to last a long time.
That 1000w chinese inverter (that is real long) was putting put 500va & was jumping all over the place. Was making 3kw a day out of 400 watts panels. The power company came & kept laughing. Then about a wk later it fried itself. So it was less than 1/2 its caapcity!
Its looks like a good idea-----but i've read about the grid tie inverters causing fires--can you tell me if its the unit that gets too hot or does it cause the wires in the house to get too hot
I would think its the unit itself getting got. I think most end up running to much power and blow it up. People just need to remember its a cheaper chinese piece of equipment and not ment to be ran at full power for a long time.
yes it shuts down once power from the panel voltage falls at dusk - don't worry it will come on again at dawn once it detects about 10 watts panel output - I found mine gets pretty hot after about 200 watts then the fan kicks in - I have 2 and run 280watts through each
Yeah, I was afraid it had failed right away, especially when some people say some of them blow the mosfets. The manual does not specify that it shuts of completely at night (no standby light or anything)
Output of the UPS while on mains, sine wave, GTI will run. Output of UPS on battery ( batteries ), modified square wave, GTI will shut off if properly designed. If not, watch for Puff the magic dragon. If you have a UPS with a true sine wave output, it still may not run the GTI as they also look for a place to sink their load.
Do you know a similiar system which also works with a battery and can limit the power? In case my local energy use is less than the maximum of the inverter, it should limit it. There should be some interface (poti) from which I can control the power to the home grid.
Even though the grid tie has it's own mppt, I am guessing there would be no issues with having another mppt and batteries in-between the panels and the grid tie inverter?
Have you tried to link this gridtie inverter with another non gridtie to keep it running if the grid goes down. I'd like to use an arrangement to run entire output into a grid isolated hot water element. Its not a voltage sensitive application BUT I wonder if the element 2KW would put to lower resistance to prevent a small inverter developing enough AC voltage to sync the inverter. Great review THANX 2019-april 22.
I havent had time to try it yet but still plan to as I hear it will work. I just need to build or get a battery for 24 or 48v to give it a try. Ill post results when I get a chance to do it for sure!!!
Hi， I have a problem with some inverters of 600 watts 22-60vlts input, I bought the replacement trasistors 30NM60ND but I dont know the value of the zener diode with a blue label conected to STF30NM60ND ZD1, , ZD5,ZD3 AND ZD4 Please help me to know the volts and watts of those zener diodes to repair my inverters please!
I sort of figure it will start at about 600. Then back off as it heats up. Probably to 300-400 watts. If you have enough solar!! What does surge think about all that protection???
..I had no problem with this inverter until I added another 72 cell panel in parrellel...those red positive dc input plastic terminal melted on copper banana plug..
Also - Not a pure sine wave inverter so only good for certain electronics. Could be hooked up to a smart switch that knows when the utility power is off and disconnects the utility connection side only so you can still have power. Usually used with battery backup systems.
Great video I'm curious I have a grid-tied inverter but its range is 36 volts however all of my panels are 41 volts is there a way to lower the voltage on the panels so they can meet the range of the grid-tied inverter and I can start using it thank you
The Grid Tie seems nice, you don't need to deal with the Critical load's panel or transfer switches. It just supplies whatever it has to give? It would be cool if you could make a 8000-watt Grid Tie Inverter. You could have your PV, Charger controller, battery packs and the Grid Tie Inverter plugged in with a 50Amp outlet
+Alan Marshall Yup and thats why I think it will work hooked up to a ups or an inverter but WOOLC. I didnt measure the output voltage but it "shoulda been the same as the house. Ill check next time I hook it up🖒
Your problem with the UPS is what does your output of it look like. Most UPS are not true sine wave outputs. In fact, even the higher output ones aren't either in most cases. At best they are modified square wave and the worst one are pure square wave. Put a scope on the output to confirm if it is a true sine wave. GTIs will not sync to a non-sine wave. They are designed not to for safety to prevent people from hooking them up to a solar setup where someone is running a cheap non-sine wave inverter. And watching either or both units release the magic smoke.
spot on....the U.P.S. is a great experiment...it would defiantly be an incentive for a D.Y.I. powerwall...much better than reliance on a small generator for grid tie activation...
oooh i had one of them sometime ago was 24v version one day i woke up notice Grid tie was showing fault led and wasn't doing much it so i pull it a part looked inside the fuse(mains side i think) had it bum blown to Hell had of happen over night was it was working in the day time just fine just hope your dont sh*t the bed after 6-7mths of run time all i got out of mine.
not sure could of been was good while it lasted was getting around 400-500watts from my 2 72cells(think) 170watts Suntech panels was all ways 1-2 led(s) (i think) from top. line voltage sits anywhere from 220-250v my older 250 watt (sun-250G think its a Sunpower or flower) been going for years (knocks wood..tap tap..) them panels damn good even at 7 years old.
Awesome, maybe I should of kept all my 12v solar panels lol. Thats usually why Im a hoarder but it happens every time. I get rid of something and then a few days or weeks later im like DOH!!!
hehe yep all ways happens "AH man i should of kept that.. oh well. Stp170S-24 that's the model of the ones i got so wish i had of gotten more but hash was tight then. get like 10-12A just on one with my Mppt charger i am running 12v setup so 24v in to 12v batteries and i get more amps :) charger a PS-2024-D (roc-soiled) built like a brick Sh*t house.
The newer meters are called Bi-directional meters. Most houses have them if not all. Some states put in 2 meters. Forther info - newenglandcleanenergy.com/energymiser/2017/02/15/different-types-of-utility-meters-for-solar/
we cant use them here in Aus can be fined for pushing power in grid. but using them off grid can maybe use them off a generator to share the load and if you using the power or run from a ups but you have to use the power in something as you can blow things up in the ups or the generator
Hey joe.I got 2 ups and a grid tie...They dont gel for some reason...lots of relay clicking going on....Thought i could bridge them.Cheers for uploading and yourtime....
The newer grid tie SMA inverters supports secure power mode (think you need 2 SMA inverters one gird tie only and the second one that is grid tie and secure power mode) basically when power goes off island protection is still in effect but assuming enough solar can power the secure powered wall sockets (probably low power stuff like lights and mabe one fridge) will still be powered as long as your not exceeding current solar generation (if so it turns off) I thought some solar inverters can have automatic battery bypass (and for Australian people as their power companies metres have a tendency of switching off if you try to back feed the power) can get inverters that can split the load between solar battery and then grid (the unit wount back feed)
Hi Joe Thanks for the video, good editing ;) !! I wanted to ask if you could do a bit more of an in depth review, looking at the output harmonics and how good it actually is (Some load tests would be great). I am very interested to see how well this thing works. From the other comments many individuals have had issues with "Chinese inverters" so hence why I want to see how well this works
+Ewald Erasmus Thanks! I can do more of a video to test it out before I possibly let the smoke out hooking it up to a UPS. I can really only load test it cause I dont have anything to like a scope. Yeah I hear the same about the cheapos but Im willing to give it a go. Anything else you might want to see?
Ummm well I have seen some people saying that turning it on and off is an issue, and that it blows fuses?!?!?... I find that really weird, as surely a switch is made to be used...you can watch this guys opinion on it here (ua-cam.com/video/1aPtnkSHI6I/v-deo.htmlm6s), not sure if its the same but looks similar right? Other things which would be cool to see: 1. its MPPT tracking ability (I have read comments that its slow and erratic maybe you can verify that) 2. A load test, one of the comments on Banggoods website is that it is a 560W not 600W... 3. An efficiency test? Again some comments are that its not really good so maybe a comment on that And lastly I dont know if there is any indication of if there is any overvoltage and surge protection built in, i couldnt find anything on this online so maybe you know more? Otherwise ill just have to buy one myself and test it :) Dont know if Im asking too much but would be great to see and hear about those things! Thanks Again!!
No your fine 👍 I can say that I turned it on and off at least 5-6 times while hooked up but again I only had the 2 12v panels so it might not count since its a smaller load. Ill see what I can come up with and Ill take a look at the video, Thanks😀👍
Hey Joe, got 2 questions. 1- Even though the grid tie says 170 - 230 on the label, did it really work with the 110V? I know it has display/indicators for both 110 & 230 on the front panel, but did it really stay locked to the 110 even though it is outside the range (170 - 230)? 2- Also, did you ever get to test the idea with the UPS?
@@AveRage_Joe I was able to find out about volts and amps so I am going to bump them up a bit the old ones are rated at 23 amps DC and my panels at full sun are producing 25.2 amps and 22.6 volts which is great for 4 100 watt panels
Check out Jack Rickard, the evtv guy if you are still interested in this grid tie+inverter thing.. I think adapting to the universe will be easier , than getting an adapter for the universe!! You may want a universal remote for that universal adaptater!
don't you have to turn off the breaker for the circuit you would have this "grid tie" inverter plugged into with that IEC power cord? or I guess somehow it syncs up with the grid power. I guess you'd flip your breaker off if you wanted to use a *regular* inverter to power that circuit.
Yeah, the basic Idea is turn off the breaker in your house, turn on said generator, Inverter or UPS and turn on a load so the gti has somewhere to send its power instead of the ups only.👍
A normal UPS cannot be connected in parallel to the mains voltage, because it cannot be synchronised with the mains. UPSs are designed for autonomous operation only. If you connect a UPS to a dead outlet and then turn the mains master switch on, the UPS will blow up. This is because it cannot detect the "zero frequency - zero phase" condition in order to get synchronised properly with the mains. Grid tie inverters on the other hand have this circuit incorporated in their circuitry. A UPS, even if someone carefully will detect this presupposition and then will lock it manually to the mains, its blow up is inevitable because the UPS cannot follow the necessary "zero frequency - zero phase" condition, just because it works on its own independent oscillator. And this oscillator is that needs to be locked to the mains frequency and phase, but this is very difficult to implement. Needless to say that the inverter must be of pure sine type...
hey Joe ive done the grid tie to pure sign inverter on a Xandrex Pure Sign 2000 and it didnt go well the inverter blew out stopped output in fact that inverter is still in my shed and has been for the last 2+ years. Might have just been a fluke but it didnt die till i did that.
I blew 2 20 amp fuses and a semiconductor in my 1500 watt china inverter because I accidentally turned the grid back on when my inverter was still hooked up to breaker panel. Boom!! I have replacement chips on the way to fix it though. Im guessing thats what happened to your inverter. Take the bottom cover off and look for blown fuses and or chips. They can easily be replaced!
i'd recommend trying it on an actual generator first, if you have one. the most you're likely to fry is the regulator - lots cheaper to replace than your ups. put a 600 watt load on first. when the inverter gets up to full power the field current on the generator should drop to almost zero
+Tim Hennessy I dont have a genny or I would try it there first. Yeah the plan is to use a ups that im not gonna use, power it up and put a load on it then turn on the gti to see if it will sync and then start supplying power.
Oh I think I misunderstood you, they might actually blow a fuse or something if you shut off the grid tie inverter while solar is still putting power in because its not a charge controller and theres nothing to regulate the solar power once the unit is off. I was thinking you ment dont turn off the grid power or you could blow it up but there is island protection for that. Ill see if I can find the manual and see what it says about disconnecting solar while on.
well ive ordered one up, planning to leave it grid connected and use the VE bus virtual load output on my mppt Basically i want to have the inverter connected to my batteries, via a solid state relay, the relay is controlled by the charge controller, so that the inverter only cuts in when the batteries really are properly charged (to avoid deficit cycling), then when the charge controller detects the load of the inverter coming on it will ramp back into bulk an keep things running till sun out, the batteries then take over for a few hours before the controller shuts off the inverter ready for sun up & recharge... kinda basic poor mans load shedding setup i guess ( i currently make more power than i can store) and this seems like a cheap solution? just concerned that if the grid goes off (powercut) etc while the inverter is active it could blow it?
Hi, in Turkey I have 3 phase on grid system. Also 30vdc/ 250 W * 6 solar panels =1500w on my roof. Can I connected 3 of these 600w units to each grid separately ie 1. Inverter to R phase, 2. Inverter to S phase, 3. One T phase. Supplying each unit 500W solar power? would this way work? , my aim is suppling 3 phase on grid, any comments well come. Thanks
Yucel Nernekli yes you Right you have to separate the circuits L1,L2,L3 or R,S,T or U,V,W be careful not get a phase short because 230+230~ 400V! So you need 3 inverters. For some old Maschines it’s important the forward and reverse drive by changing the phases you can change the direction. The perfect way is balanced 3phased system so the electrician wire the house not for fun this way and it’s important for the energy suppliers.
the power company still don't like these plugged into the grid. I would only do this like you Joe and hook it up to a UPS or disconnected. Hey Joe do you know if you can you pair these for 1200w?
Yeah, but Why? Why don't they like it? Because people are saving money? It seems to me like a good starting point for people to start saving, so they can eventually afford to go off grid, or upgrade to UL listed GTI's etc...
i think it more if they fail like island isolation fails and you keep feeding out while there no grid you could kill some one working on the lines. be my best guess
because these are not UL listed, and given their size, there is no way they can properly lowpass filter their output. if you look at proper grid-tie inverters, they are heavy as heck and expensive.
Cool video thanks! I like those old Asian movies too (Flying Guillotine, One Armed Swordsmen...)! Do you have any wind turbine generators? I've been looking at them and solar lately but here in Texas we have a decent amount of wind even after the sun goes down so maybe it would be more cost effective... dunno! Thanks
Thanks Man! I do have some diy wind turbines but they are not up and running. I had them out a few years back but the wind at my place isnt very clean. Id like to build a horizontal turbine but havent gotten around to it. If you hook one up to a grid tie inverter like this it would just need to be voltage regulated!
I travel a lot and have used a lot of power adapters, the international adapter you showed at the end should be avoided. They are really easy to shock yourself with because you can touch the conductors even when retracted. There are much safer ones out there!
AveRage Joe Good. So, how will you connect it to the battery then? I want to buy Tracer MPPT and this for small testing purposes. Does it really have pure sinewave? Thx.
The grid tie inverters dont connect to batteries unless you can limit the current which I dont know how to do yet. They will sense your grid and match it and put the power from the solar back into the grid!
AveRage Joe I thought to make the same thing but for the way the offgrid ones work it may blowup, I use xantrex inverter and too link them together I have to use a model capable and it use sinc cable for work together I have videos in my channel if you’re interested but my bat is 3s 371p.
liked u r dimo but but but y do u need that [ small of a tie in ] lol but really u did good demo i would like 2 see how it works hooked up to 240v 60 hz and dose that kilawatt meter work across 220v or do i need euro model
I was more just checking it out and to do some other testing with it. It should work just fine on 240v 60hz. Im not sure about the kilowatt meter since this one is kinda old but would imagine it would work!
600 watts in my tiny home would drop my bill by half(am guessing). But this is with no heater/air-condition and dryer. BTW-another Great Review by the Master!!!
@o k Understood, but a long-term plan would save him money though.. the most expensive parts are batteries & panels, so if he has bigger plan he could buy the bigger inverter & controller so he could upgrade the panels & batteries later without re-investing more money to replace the inverter & controller. That was what I meant.
18months since you posted this video. $64,000 question: what do you think of the inverter units now.I plan on getting 2 reducing, the HW element to ~700W and using the thermostat to transfer PV power onto the grid when water is hot.This speeds up investment recovery. Ideally I'd like to get the houses base load via PV for a startNew Zealand costs 30.11c + .0019c Electricity commission levy per KWH.A daily grid connection fee of 38.33c is also charged. (Batteries not that economical )Utility will pay only 8c a KWH to me!Would like to email you. Can we get in contact this way? PS. I'm a retired electronic engineer
I think there not bad for the price. I havent run it at full load but most say not to. That would be a good way to do it if you can get it all setup. Email is in the about me page on my channel.
by definition, I didn't know that a grid tie inverter could put power back to the grid ! I thought that was ac coupling. I thought that grid tie inverters could draw power from the grid, but not export to the grid.
Boy if Bang good wants to send me one I will give it a really good steers test. You can turn off your main breaker turn on your inverter pure sign wave and the grid tie will work
Im sure Bang good (Hiiii-YAH) will be contacting you as well😃👍 Yeah that was the basic Idea, Turn off the breaker in your house, turn on said generator, Inverter or UPS and tuen on a load so the gti has somewhere to send its power. I actually said all this in the first 3 edits then just took it and put in the beep lol. Maybe Ill send it to you if I dont let the smoke out!!😆👍
You might need a AC dump load for it to work, There is another video on youtube of someone doing it but with a micro inverter. You could however without the AC dump load use a grid-tie with limiter like the one i have, which should also work but otherwise a AC dump load is needed to make it safe. Eg the grid-tie pushs power out that power has to go somewhere, normally it will flow to the grid but if not it will blow someone else up eg ur ups.
Which vid on your ch and Ill take a look. Yeah the basic Idea was to turn off the breaker in your house, turn on said generator, Inverter or UPS and turn on a load so the gti has somewhere to send its power. Ill also be using a ups that I dont plan to use 😉 I think my recycler has a 1500va that Ill try it on 😀👍
Still Gathering The Elusive CRAP to get my project in the air. Going to employ 16 38120's LiFePo4 Cell 8S to 24V just to see things work. Not sure how the Grid Tie is going to handle Battery.. Some people say it works, Others said the Grid Tie gits Greedy and Sucks them Dry. My understanding is the Grid Tie is only limited by they're own Out Put Rating and What ever is Available on the Input DC. Some fashion of Limitation on SOC on the battery is in Order I think ? Will my 400W of Panels be able to keep a status quo as long as our Load is around the 400W minus Conversion Losses ? Thinking I want to use the Grid Tie as a Dump Load for the Panels and Turbine. Nothing a $5.00 Chiniesium Battery Charge Controller Board couldn't do. Solar could be routed to the Grid Tie with little to No Issues via relays. My Grid Tie uses Nominal PV voltage . 10.8 - 28VDC. Not sure about my 24V Turbine Controller. I'm thinking the Cheap Azz charge controller I have here needs battery to wake up. May end up going with a better Charge controller with that mess. LOL Watch for Smoke Signals out of the South West.
Yeah they will drain the cells for sure and or remove as many amps as it can. Some people are using wind generator dump resistors to limit the current to supply for a longer period of time.
@@AveRage_Joe In terms of flow of electronics, any appliance in line will use solar power from a grid tie first, before needing power from the breaker, right? Can you plug one of these in with a window air conditioner on a power strip and help to power that without the power ever going back to the breaker? (Power strip would turn off/on air conditioner AND solar inverter with switch.)
Yeah you could do that for sure however if there is a load on the house already then that power will get consumed either way. Unless you specifically make it turn on for the window unit.
@@AveRage_Joe Makes sense. I've yet to see a good layout on paper how electrons flow to the nearest viable "outlet" and so many warnings on line like "you'll end up with double watts" or "you'll burn your house down!" I think they're not thinking about existing wiring already doing what they're warning about. Appliances only use what they need.
Yeah so many say all these warnings ect... Not sure how you could burn a house down unless overloading it with to much solar which could set the unit on fire. I know it shuts off if the grid goes away so cant send power down the line to hurt anyone. I think as long as there is an equal load on the house you will consume what you put in.
Hi, Love your videos but that offering from BangGood looks lethal considering it outputs AC via an IEC Male Socket. At a guess though the grid tied inverter shouldn't output AC unless it's detecting grid voltage but should the item be faulty and you inadvertently touch the output pins / pins on the plug this could be outputting lethal voltages. Just seems very badly thought out. A grid tied inverter should be outputting AC via an IEC Female Socket failing that some form of outlet that you cannot accidentally touch and get a shock from.
+Buildfromscratch Yeah they "shouldnt" put out anything until its syncs to the grid but I guess you never know. Maybe thats the reason why electric companies dont like them like anothe comments said. If they go haywire🤔
I'd like to get about 2, 1000 watt grid ties , and about 2500w in solar. With about 1000 ah batt bank and a 2500 watt inverter for my sister's house. So the grid can be used as backup. And have 2500 w or so. If there is no grid power. Now I need to talk her into payi g for it!!!
When you supposed to stop your inverter from working during the black out situation but you choose to run a UPS injected to the grid means that you still put yourself to harm the electric workers out there that could potentially kill a husband and father of a family..
@@AveRage_Joe I know about UPS inverter, but when the local electricity is down and your UPS system is automatically ON to supply the grid, then you forget to switch OFF the main breaker that bring the power into your house, you would still send the power out to the grid.. Unless you set up a contactor relay to automatically disconnect it when the grid is down at the same time when the UPS is ON..
I get what your saying and thats why it would be setup off grid before hand. Ive been using a 2700watt ups as an inverter for quite a while now for an off grid system. I dont run a bunch of stuff from it since I dont have enough solar to keep up but for the test it would be a stand alone system.👍
@@AveRage_Joe Okay, I get it now since you mentioned about 'Off Grid' Back up that I assume you use that to feed some essensial loads only, so it's not UPS for entire grid installation. BY the way, 2.7 KwH off grid system would cost you totally over 5-6 Thousands bucks to fully run for few hrs. In my opinion It's not worth it to only have it for back up when you live with grid network available almost all the time..
Yeah you got it. Agree, if someone were to buy brand new stuff it would be expensive!!!! I got a lot of my stuff free or super cheap from local e-recyclers including the UPS and li-ion batteries. I normally leave my frig off grid 24/7 unless we dont have sun! Its a pretty sweet setup! Still adding to it!
...check your inverter with car batteries..warning..it will drain your battery .. asap ...hook em up temporary to check the grid inverter max capable wattage ...
ATT 10:58, the famous 'death dapter' as reviewed on other electronics channels .... the unused exposed pins are live .... Dont have to believe me, just youtube search death dapter
But wouldn't you pay a delivery and service fee buying power if you are not using the solar at the time it is being created as the power cant be stored at the time of generation? You would only benefit from the power if you can use it at the time you generate the power as the power does not go into the grid or a battery so the power you generate would only be useful if you had say an electric car plugged in and charging when the grid tie inverters are at full swing and the car is charging, or you have enough base load in your house to use the power, or you have an electric car charging at the time you have the inverters putting power into the lines making it useless if you work durring the day and have your electric car at work and nothing on in your house while the solar is generating it's power.
So you have 90 watts of panels yet you're only harvesting 45? Horrible. Given the fact that you are harvesting exactly half tells me this could be based off a pwm
Even 48V is not noticeable through the rough skin of dry hands. However having the charger floating 62V was noticeable, when I put my plumbers crack against the charger heatsink, while touching the battery terminal (cramped battery room) !! Still felt more pleasant than a wasp sting.
But its so useful to plug it into the wall and then eject the other pins at the same time and have them stick out while live. They make a great idiot tester.
The video gets better as it goes on. Bravo! Encore!
Thanks Man!🤘
My particular model of this has just gone bad on me and seems to suck amps though the solar in and the fan just wizzes no display , Not sure if it can be repaired or not.
Hmmm.... Id open it up and take a look. Maybe an easy fix.
@@AveRage_Joe I took a look around inside but saw no clear damage indicators, I did use thermal camera to find where the energy was all going but it was not to a clear component the pcb was heating up where the main DC cords went in. I dont know if bad mosfets would effect it on this level..
I was gonna mention mosfets. I saw a few videos with people changing them out.
Where you buy the inverter can you send the link please
Please,can i install grid tie inverter 1000w without residentiel GRID? Because i live in isolated site .i wait for your answer .
It needs a power source to sync to.
AveRage Joe ,how can i react? Pratically i dont know,! Please ,more explanations,
Please,those who follow ,if you know something about this inverter,inform me ,thanks
Hello, I have the same inverter with one 100W solar panel. The inverter show the fault led on. The inverter generate 24 Voltios. What means the fault lead on ?
I think you need higher volts!
The more watts you put in, the hotter is runs and the sooner the mosfets fry in those cheap Chinese inverters. So it's a good idea to supply substantially lower power panels if you want the inverter to last a long time.
That 1000w chinese inverter (that is real long) was putting put 500va & was jumping all over the place. Was making 3kw a day out of 400 watts panels. The power company came & kept laughing. Then about a wk later it fried itself. So it was less than 1/2 its caapcity!
Its looks like a good idea-----but i've read about the grid tie inverters causing fires--can you tell me if its the unit that gets too hot or does it cause the wires in the house to get too hot
I would think its the unit itself getting got. I think most end up running to much power and blow it up. People just need to remember its a cheaper chinese piece of equipment and not ment to be ran at full power for a long time.
@@AveRage_Joe thanks for the info--going to hook it up in shed so if it burns down--i've still got the house
Worth the watch just for the cool sound effects,
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I just got mine and it's night time I went to check it out and all the lights were OFF, even the 230V 50Hz ones, is it supposed to do that at night?
yes it shuts down once power from the panel voltage falls at dusk - don't worry it will come on again at dawn once it detects about 10 watts panel output - I found mine gets pretty hot after about 200 watts then the fan kicks in - I have 2 and run 280watts through each
Thanks for replying! Couldnt get here fast enough!😆🤘
Yeah, I was afraid it had failed right away, especially when some people say some of them blow the mosfets. The manual does not specify that it shuts of completely at night (no standby light or anything)
I reakon ill grab one of these to use my excess solar when my batterys get full did it seem alright build quality wise
+One up the sleeve customs Ya might as well. Ya it seemed fine but dont have anything really to compair it to except a regular inverter.
AveRage Joe i think there fairly illegal in Australia need to look into that first
+One up the sleeve customs Yup but if it works plugged into a UPS your golden. Will find out!!!
Output of the UPS while on mains, sine wave, GTI will run. Output of UPS on battery ( batteries ), modified square wave, GTI will shut off if properly designed. If not, watch for Puff the magic dragon. If you have a UPS with a true sine wave output, it still may not run the GTI as they also look for a place to sink their load.
Do you know a similiar system which also works with a battery and can limit the power? In case my local energy use is less than the maximum of the inverter, it should limit it. There should be some interface (poti) from which I can control the power to the home grid.
Some use a wind turbine resistor to limit the power! Its basically a big wire wound resistor. Let me know if you need a link.
@@AveRage_Joe yes would be grate if you could provide more info
@@AveRage_Joe Thanks, but that would be a waste of energy. I just want to limit the power, not turn it into heat by a resistor
did you ever connect the grid tie to batteries?
Why do they not have inverters with such wide voltage input, for off grid, I don't get it!
I think since its solar panels hooked up, the voltage will vary as the sun and clouds hit it which vary the voltage up and down.
what is the maximum continuous power rating for this unit ?
It says 600 but I wouldnt recommend going that high. Id say 400 to keeper running!
@@AveRage_Joe thanks
@@AveRage_Joe thanks
Even though the grid tie has it's own mppt, I am guessing there would be no issues with having another mppt and batteries in-between the panels and the grid tie inverter?
To supply grid-tie with power? Shouldnt be a problem!
Have you tried to link this gridtie inverter with another non gridtie to keep it running if the grid goes down. I'd like to use an arrangement to run entire output into a grid isolated hot water element. Its not a voltage sensitive application BUT I wonder if the element 2KW would put to lower resistance to prevent a small inverter developing enough AC voltage to sync the inverter. Great review THANX 2019-april 22.
I havent had time to try it yet but still plan to as I hear it will work. I just need to build or get a battery for 24 or 48v to give it a try. Ill post results when I get a chance to do it for sure!!!
Hi， I have a problem with some inverters of 600 watts 22-60vlts input, I bought the replacement trasistors 30NM60ND but I dont know the value of the zener diode with a blue label conected to STF30NM60ND ZD1, , ZD5,ZD3 AND ZD4 Please help me to know the volts and watts of those zener diodes to repair my inverters please!
I sort of figure it will start at about 600. Then back off as it heats up. Probably to 300-400 watts. If you have enough solar!! What does surge think about all that protection???
Yeah I dont think it will do 600w all the time either!
..I had no problem with this inverter until I added another 72 cell panel in parrellel...those red positive dc input plastic terminal melted on copper banana plug..
Hola amigo; aún funciona su inversor grid tie?
Also - Not a pure sine wave inverter so only good for certain electronics.
Could be hooked up to a smart switch that knows when the utility power is off and disconnects the utility connection side only so you can still have power. Usually used with battery backup systems.
Can I hook up 2 mains with 240v in USA for this unit?
Great video I'm curious I have a grid-tied inverter but its range is 36 volts however all of my panels are 41 volts is there a way to lower the voltage on the panels so they can meet the range of the grid-tied inverter and I can start using it thank you
Thanks! If the panels are 41v open circuit or not connected to anything then it will be ok. Once there is a load then the voltage will drop.
Can we turn our older APC UPS into a Grid Tie inverter?
Not that I am aware of no!
The Grid Tie seems nice, you don't need to deal with the Critical load's panel or transfer switches. It just supplies whatever it has to give?
It would be cool if you could make a 8000-watt Grid Tie Inverter. You could have your PV, Charger controller, battery packs and the Grid Tie Inverter plugged in with a 50Amp outlet
Hey Joe, did you ever do a follow-up video on this grid-tie inverter + UPS ? SUPER curious to see how that goes!
Actually no....kinda forgot😳 Ill see what I can do!!!
@@AveRage_Joe SWEET! I'm gonna subscribe to make sure you do! ;)
GOOOOD!😆🤘
that actually looks like a good unit
did you have any problems with your other grid tie inverter did the 2 fight over each other on volts
I havent run the test against the ups yet! I ran out of time last summer but its getting warm out so should be doing it here soon I would imagine! 😆💥👍
Hi Joe GTI sync the cycles so they do not cancel out each other. Did u measure the outpuy voltage?
+Alan Marshall Yup and thats why I think it will work hooked up to a ups or an inverter but WOOLC. I didnt measure the output voltage but it "shoulda been the same as the house. Ill check next time I hook it up🖒
Your problem with the UPS is what does your output of it look like. Most UPS are not true sine wave outputs. In fact, even the higher output ones aren't either in most cases. At best they are modified square wave and the worst one are pure square wave. Put a scope on the output to confirm if it is a true sine wave. GTIs will not sync to a non-sine wave. They are designed not to for safety to prevent people from hooking them up to a solar setup where someone is running a cheap non-sine wave inverter. And watching either or both units release the magic smoke.
Still gathering parts. Have 24V wind turbine . 4 x 100W panels. 1000W Grid Tie in hand. Waiting for Batteries. Someday I'll have it going. LOL
Nice!! I say that all the time.......🙄😆
I was having a bad day, till you did the Kung Fu intro! Thank you
How many watts were those solar panels?
+pauldhaney They were only 45w lol
spot on....the U.P.S. is a great experiment...it would defiantly be an incentive for a D.Y.I. powerwall...much better than reliance on a small generator for grid tie activation...
+Stan Last I figured Id give it a go🤔 why not right!!! Always wanted to know🖒
oooh i had one of them sometime ago was 24v version one day i woke up notice Grid tie was showing fault led and wasn't doing much it so i pull it a part looked inside the fuse(mains side i think) had it bum blown to Hell had of happen over night was it was working in the day time just fine just hope your dont sh*t the bed after 6-7mths of run time all i got out of mine.
+Zero Bytes I wonder if you had a power surge or something but I do hear that a lot about these! 😀
not sure could of been was good while it lasted was getting around 400-500watts from my 2 72cells(think) 170watts Suntech panels was all ways 1-2 led(s) (i think) from top. line voltage sits anywhere from 220-250v
my older 250 watt (sun-250G think its a Sunpower or flower) been going for years (knocks wood..tap tap..)
them panels damn good even at 7 years old.
Awesome, maybe I should of kept all my 12v solar panels lol. Thats usually why Im a hoarder but it happens every time. I get rid of something and then a few days or weeks later im like DOH!!!
hehe yep all ways happens "AH man i should of kept that.. oh well.
Stp170S-24 that's the model of the ones i got so wish i had of gotten more but hash was tight then. get like 10-12A just on one with my Mppt charger i am running 12v setup so 24v in to 12v batteries and i get more amps :) charger a PS-2024-D (roc-soiled) built like a brick Sh*t house.
Without a 2 way meter for your house, any extra power being made will make the meter add power as if you were using that power you're giving back.
Sadly this is true
The newer meters are called Bi-directional meters. Most houses have them if not all.
Some states put in 2 meters.
Forther info - newenglandcleanenergy.com/energymiser/2017/02/15/different-types-of-utility-meters-for-solar/
@@traviswwilliams7171 How is that? The old coil meters did run slower when back feeding them! Are we talking about modern smart meters?
Wouldnt your home consume the energy made as long as its not over the hole house load.
@@AveRage_Joe Yes, so you can figure out your home base load and produce enough power for that. Still not legal in most places but it would work.
we cant use them here in Aus can be fined for pushing power in grid. but using them off grid can maybe use them off a generator to share the load and if you using the power or run from a ups but you have to use the power in something as you can blow things up in the ups or the generator
I hear that for a lot of places! Yeah that was the plan to basically share the load.
I love the thebackshed, tons of great info there!!! Although I havent been there in a while👍
Hey joe.I got 2 ups and a grid tie...They dont gel for some reason...lots of relay clicking going on....Thought i could bridge them.Cheers for uploading and yourtime....
The ups's are clicking or the grid tie?
@@AveRage_Joe The ups.....Its cool..I found a workaround...cheers for reply...Happy filming
Oh ok cool!🤘
HOWdy A-G,
Thanks
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The newer grid tie SMA inverters supports secure power mode (think you need 2 SMA inverters one gird tie only and the second one that is grid tie and secure power mode) basically when power goes off island protection is still in effect but assuming enough solar can power the secure powered wall sockets (probably low power stuff like lights and mabe one fridge) will still be powered as long as your not exceeding current solar generation (if so it turns off)
I thought some solar inverters can have automatic battery bypass (and for Australian people as their power companies metres have a tendency of switching off if you try to back feed the power) can get inverters that can split the load between solar battery and then grid (the unit wount back feed)
Nice!!! That would be a nice feature!!!😱👍
Hi Joe
Thanks for the video, good editing ;) !!
I wanted to ask if you could do a bit more of an in depth review, looking at the output harmonics and how good it actually is (Some load tests would be great). I am very interested to see how well this thing works. From the other comments many individuals have had issues with "Chinese inverters" so hence why I want to see how well this works
+Ewald Erasmus Thanks! I can do more of a video to test it out before I possibly let the smoke out hooking it up to a UPS. I can really only load test it cause I dont have anything to like a scope. Yeah I hear the same about the cheapos but Im willing to give it a go. Anything else you might want to see?
Ummm well I have seen some people saying that turning it on and off is an issue, and that it blows fuses?!?!?... I find that really weird, as surely a switch is made to be used...you can watch this guys opinion on it here (ua-cam.com/video/1aPtnkSHI6I/v-deo.htmlm6s), not sure if its the same but looks similar right?
Other things which would be cool to see:
1. its MPPT tracking ability (I have read comments that its slow and erratic maybe you can verify that)
2. A load test, one of the comments on Banggoods website is that it is a 560W not 600W...
3. An efficiency test? Again some comments are that its not really good so maybe a comment on that
And lastly I dont know if there is any indication of if there is any overvoltage and surge protection built in, i couldnt find anything on this online so maybe you know more? Otherwise ill just have to buy one myself and test it :)
Dont know if Im asking too much but would be great to see and hear about those things! Thanks Again!!
ua-cam.com/video/1aPtnkSHI6I/v-deo.htmlm6s Sorry the bracket in the above link was causing issues so it didn't go to the right part
No your fine 👍 I can say that I turned it on and off at least 5-6 times while hooked up but again I only had the 2 12v panels so it might not count since its a smaller load. Ill see what I can come up with and Ill take a look at the video, Thanks😀👍
Hey Joe, got 2 questions.
1- Even though the grid tie says 170 - 230 on the label, did it really work with the 110V? I know it has display/indicators for both 110 & 230 on the front panel, but did it really stay locked to the 110 even though it is outside the range (170 - 230)?
2- Also, did you ever get to test the idea with the UPS?
Yeah worked great! No issues at all! ARRRRR I kinda forgot about that UPS test... Ill have to do that!!!
Looking for ac and DC mosfets for 600w gti 10.8 to 36v input and 110 to 146 v ac output anyone have part #s ?
I dont know any part #'s but have seen a few other videos of people replacing them and they might have numbers. Are yours burnt up and unreadable.
@@AveRage_Joe no they are readable but all the suppliers I have contacted have told me the numbers will not interchange
@@AveRage_Joe I was able to find out about volts and amps so I am going to bump them up a bit the old ones are rated at 23 amps DC and my panels at full sun are producing 25.2 amps and 22.6 volts which is great for 4 100 watt panels
Oh ok gotcha.
There you go that should help a little for sure!
New subscriber here may I ask if the electric meter will be damage if I pumped out excess electricity from my grid tie inverter?
As long as you dont exceed the power for the meter!
??? Has anyone used a grid tie with a wind turbine or similar generator???
Yeah think they do it all the time but wind gens need to be regulated or they will put out to much voltage and blow it up!💥
You have lots of toys on shelf do they just give you things to promo and then keep?
This was the first thing they sent me. They will send me stuff to check out/review and Yes, so far I get to keep the item!
Subscribing because of his honesty. Yes yes and yes. Lmao
Thanks Man!!!🤘
Check out Jack Rickard, the evtv guy if you are still interested in this grid tie+inverter thing.. I think adapting to the universe will be easier , than getting an adapter for the universe!! You may want a universal remote for that universal adaptater!
Did he do a vid on that topic? Ill have to look him up!
I wanna see you try the inverter with grid tie inverter.
Coming up SOOON!👍
don't you have to turn off the breaker for the circuit you would have this "grid tie" inverter plugged into with that IEC power cord? or I guess somehow it syncs up with the grid power. I guess you'd flip your breaker off if you wanted to use a *regular* inverter to power that circuit.
Yeah, the basic Idea is turn off the breaker in your house, turn on said generator, Inverter or UPS and turn on a load so the gti has somewhere to send its power instead of the ups only.👍
A normal UPS cannot be connected in parallel to the mains voltage, because it cannot be synchronised with the mains. UPSs are designed for autonomous operation only. If you connect a UPS to a dead outlet and then turn the mains master switch on, the UPS will blow up. This is because it cannot detect the "zero frequency - zero phase" condition in order to get synchronised properly with the mains. Grid tie inverters on the other hand have this circuit incorporated in their circuitry. A UPS, even if someone carefully will detect this presupposition and then will lock it manually to the mains, its blow up is inevitable because the UPS cannot follow the necessary "zero frequency - zero phase" condition, just because it works on its own independent oscillator. And this oscillator is that needs to be locked to the mains frequency and phase, but this is very difficult to implement. Needless to say that the inverter must be of pure sine type...
hey Joe ive done the grid tie to pure sign inverter on a Xandrex Pure Sign 2000 and it didnt go well the inverter blew out stopped output in fact that inverter is still in my shed and has been for the last 2+ years. Might have just been a fluke but it didnt die till i did that.
Sweet for the try but not that it blew up. Yeah Ill give it a try anyways to see what happens👍
I blew 2 20 amp fuses and a semiconductor in my 1500 watt china inverter because I accidentally turned the grid back on when my inverter was still hooked up to breaker panel. Boom!! I have replacement chips on the way to fix it though. Im guessing thats what happened to your inverter. Take the bottom cover off and look for blown fuses and or chips. They can easily be replaced!
i'd recommend trying it on an actual generator first, if you have one. the most you're likely to fry is the regulator - lots cheaper to replace than your ups. put a 600 watt load on first. when the inverter gets up to full power the field current on the generator should drop to almost zero
+Tim Hennessy I dont have a genny or I would try it there first. Yeah the plan is to use a ups that im not gonna use, power it up and put a load on it then turn on the gti to see if it will sync and then start supplying power.
I saw another video on these that said they *Cook Off* if you shut off the grid while solar is feeding it
They should automatically turn off from the island protection that is built in. Do you have a link to the video?
Sure ,did he just have faulty unit ??
ua-cam.com/video/1aPtnkSHI6I/v-deo.html
Oh I think I misunderstood you, they might actually blow a fuse or something if you shut off the grid tie inverter while solar is still putting power in because its not a charge controller and theres nothing to regulate the solar power once the unit is off. I was thinking you ment dont turn off the grid power or you could blow it up but there is island protection for that. Ill see if I can find the manual and see what it says about disconnecting solar while on.
well ive ordered one up, planning to leave it grid connected and use the VE bus virtual load output on my mppt
Basically i want to have the inverter connected to my batteries, via a solid state relay, the relay is controlled by the charge controller, so that the inverter only cuts in when the batteries really are properly charged (to avoid deficit cycling), then when the charge controller detects the load of the inverter coming on it will ramp back into bulk an keep things running till sun out, the batteries then take over for a few hours before the controller shuts off the inverter ready for sun up & recharge... kinda basic poor mans load shedding setup i guess ( i currently make more power than i can store) and this seems like a cheap solution?
just concerned that if the grid goes off (powercut) etc while the inverter is active it could blow it?
That would be cool! Yeah it should work like advertised with the island protection and shut off if the grid goes down with out blowing up.
Hi, in Turkey I have 3 phase on grid system. Also 30vdc/ 250 W * 6 solar panels =1500w on my roof. Can I connected 3 of these 600w units to each grid separately ie 1. Inverter to R phase, 2. Inverter to S phase, 3. One T phase. Supplying each unit 500W solar power? would this way work? , my aim is suppling 3 phase on grid, any comments well come. Thanks
Thats an interesting idea! I would think you could but I dont have 3 phase so I cant say for sure. Hopefully someone can comment!
Yucel Nernekli yes you Right you have to separate the circuits L1,L2,L3 or R,S,T or U,V,W be careful not get a phase short because 230+230~ 400V! So you need 3 inverters. For some old Maschines it’s important the forward and reverse drive by changing the phases you can change the direction. The perfect way is balanced 3phased system so the electrician wire the house not for fun this way and it’s important for the energy suppliers.
You have to check out the GTIL 2000W for your system. Mike Diy power wall has one. Works great and so simple to set up.
+sven Ill have to take a lookc thanks😀🖒
the power company still don't like these plugged into the grid. I would only do this like you Joe and hook it up to a UPS or disconnected. Hey Joe do you know if you can you pair these for 1200w?
Yeah, but Why? Why don't they like it? Because people are saving money? It seems to me like a good starting point for people to start saving, so they can eventually afford to go off grid, or upgrade to UL listed GTI's etc...
i think it more if they fail like island isolation fails and you keep feeding out while there no grid you could kill some one working on the lines. be my best guess
because these are not UL listed, and given their size, there is no way they can properly lowpass filter their output. if you look at proper grid-tie inverters, they are heavy as heck and expensive.
+ben dorman Ya I hear they dont as well. I didnt see anything about stacking them but could look into it🖒
+GrizzBang Yeah Im not sure either but thats all Ive heard😁
You are funny dude! Like your staff
Thanks Man!👍
Cool video thanks! I like those old Asian movies too (Flying Guillotine, One Armed Swordsmen...)! Do you have any wind turbine generators? I've been looking at them and solar lately but here in Texas we have a decent amount of wind even after the sun goes down so maybe it would be more cost effective... dunno! Thanks
Thanks Man! I do have some diy wind turbines but they are not up and running. I had them out a few years back but the wind at my place isnt very clean. Id like to build a horizontal turbine but havent gotten around to it. If you hook one up to a grid tie inverter like this it would just need to be voltage regulated!
Dang good job Joe
Hi Yawh!😆
Didn't the 240v led stay on? Or is it just my eyes? :)
It does look like it was on but I think it was the sun hitting it at a perfect angle👍
I travel a lot and have used a lot of power adapters, the international adapter you showed at the end should be avoided. They are really easy to shock yourself with because you can touch the conductors even when retracted. There are much safer ones out there!
Yeah thats what a few people have said. Kinda scary!!
Ahh so what. It's not like you are going to get hooked up on it
Joe, I'm running a grid tie inverter off my 48v battery bank. I do have to limit the current. If you want to know how, Contact me....
I would love to know what you did with the limiting of the current!! Not sure how to ermail you but you can ermail me from about me page!😄👍
curious about that myself
Nice vid :) Joe, is there a way to limit output (and prevent sending anything to grid, if consumption is lower then production? Thx.
There is... and I dont know how to do it yet😉
AveRage Joe Good. So, how will you connect it to the battery then? I want to buy Tracer MPPT and this for small testing purposes. Does it really have pure sinewave? Thx.
The grid tie inverters dont connect to batteries unless you can limit the current which I dont know how to do yet. They will sense your grid and match it and put the power from the solar back into the grid!
I think you can’t hook up a grid tie inverter in a ups or sine wave one, nah I’m not sure just heard about, I’m not pissed lol
Ive always wondered and want to find out for realz!!! WOOLC if it blows up, then Ill be PISSED 😉😃
AveRage Joe I thought to make the same thing but for the way the offgrid ones work it may blowup, I use xantrex inverter and too link them together I have to use a model capable and it use sinc cable for work together I have videos in my channel if you’re interested but my bat is 3s 371p.
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liked u r dimo but but but y do u need that [ small of a tie in ] lol but really u did good demo i would like 2 see how it works hooked up to 240v 60 hz and dose that kilawatt meter work across 220v or do i need euro model
I was more just checking it out and to do some other testing with it. It should work just fine on 240v 60hz. Im not sure about the kilowatt meter since this one is kinda old but would imagine it would work!
Just caught this video!! This 600w Gridtie inverter would be perfect for my setup!!!600w would probably drop my bill by half!!!
That would be Awesome! Im gonna need a lot more then 600w LOL!😜🌞
600 watts in my tiny home would drop my bill by half(am guessing). But this is with no heater/air-condition and dryer. BTW-another Great Review by the Master!!!
Why don't you consider dropping your 100% bill to about Zero bill or even make some monthly rabates?? Why only half??
@o k Understood, but a long-term plan would save him money though.. the most expensive parts are batteries & panels, so if he has bigger plan he could buy the bigger inverter & controller so he could upgrade the panels & batteries later without re-investing more money to replace the inverter & controller. That was what I meant.
When I say "bang good" it reminds me how I did last night. Not great but pretty good :-)
Bahahahaha lol. At least your honest!😆👍
18months since you posted this video. $64,000 question: what do you think of the inverter units now.I plan on getting 2 reducing, the HW element to ~700W and using the thermostat to transfer PV power onto the grid when water is hot.This speeds up investment recovery. Ideally I'd like to get the houses base load via PV for a startNew Zealand costs 30.11c + .0019c Electricity commission levy per KWH.A daily grid connection fee of 38.33c is also charged. (Batteries not that economical )Utility will pay only 8c a KWH to me!Would like to email you. Can we get in contact this way? PS. I'm a retired electronic engineer
I think there not bad for the price. I havent run it at full load but most say not to. That would be a good way to do it if you can get it all setup. Email is in the about me page on my channel.
good vid but why the music?
Thanks for the video!
Thanks for watching!
by definition, I didn't know that a grid tie inverter could put power back to the grid ! I thought that was ac coupling. I thought that grid tie inverters could draw power from the grid, but not export to the grid.
Yep they can put power back into grid!
Boy if Bang good wants to send me one I will give it a really good steers test. You can turn off your main breaker turn on your inverter pure sign wave and the grid tie will work
Im sure Bang good (Hiiii-YAH) will be contacting you as well😃👍 Yeah that was the basic Idea, Turn off the breaker in your house, turn on said generator, Inverter or UPS and tuen on a load so the gti has somewhere to send its power. I actually said all this in the first 3 edits then just took it and put in the beep lol. Maybe Ill send it to you if I dont let the smoke out!!😆👍
AveRage Joe would be great to test that (UPS based) plus around 50V input and 500W constant load. I'm sure this thing would get really hot.
Yeah I want to test it at a higher voltage and closer to the 600w mark to see how it handles!
i think there is a safety thing to prevent power from being used without being plugged in.
We want to see more banggod video's......👍
Send him more stuff to test.....👍
+Bostjan Trancar Awesome!!!! Hope to do more🤔😃🖒
You might need a AC dump load for it to work, There is another video on youtube of someone doing it but with a micro inverter. You could however without the AC dump load use a grid-tie with limiter
like the one i have, which should also work but otherwise a AC dump load is needed to make it safe. Eg the grid-tie pushs power out that power has to go somewhere, normally it will flow to the grid but if not it will blow someone else up eg ur ups.
Which vid on your ch and Ill take a look. Yeah the basic Idea was to turn off the breaker in your house, turn on said generator, Inverter or UPS and turn on a load so the gti has somewhere to send its power. Ill also be using a ups that I dont plan to use 😉 I think my recycler has a 1500va that Ill try it on 😀👍
Oh and I replied to your pm after you sent it. I know youtube doesnt always notify of a pm
Still Gathering The Elusive CRAP to get my project in the air. Going to employ 16 38120's LiFePo4 Cell 8S to 24V just to see things work. Not sure how the Grid Tie is going to handle Battery.. Some people say it works, Others said the Grid Tie gits Greedy and Sucks them Dry. My understanding is the Grid Tie is only limited by they're own Out Put Rating and What ever is Available on the Input DC. Some fashion of Limitation on SOC on the battery is in Order I think ? Will my 400W of Panels be able to keep a status quo as long as our Load is around the 400W minus Conversion Losses ? Thinking I want to use the Grid Tie as a Dump Load for the Panels and Turbine. Nothing a $5.00 Chiniesium Battery Charge Controller Board couldn't do. Solar could be routed to the Grid Tie with little to No Issues via relays. My Grid Tie uses Nominal PV voltage . 10.8 - 28VDC. Not sure about my 24V Turbine Controller. I'm thinking the Cheap Azz charge controller I have here needs battery to wake up. May end up going with a better Charge controller with that mess. LOL Watch for Smoke Signals out of the South West.
Yeah they will drain the cells for sure and or remove as many amps as it can. Some people are using wind generator dump resistors to limit the current to supply for a longer period of time.
@@AveRage_Joe ??? Just putting the resister in line to the Grid Tie ? To Simple ? What about the voltage Drop ?
Yeah inline from battery to gridtie. They could have used a 14s but its been a while. Look through comment section and it might be in here.
Dear sir, thank you.
You betcha!🤘
@@AveRage_Joe In terms of flow of electronics, any appliance in line will use solar power from a grid tie first, before needing power from the breaker, right? Can you plug one of these in with a window air conditioner on a power strip and help to power that without the power ever going back to the breaker? (Power strip would turn off/on air conditioner AND solar inverter with switch.)
Yeah you could do that for sure however if there is a load on the house already then that power will get consumed either way. Unless you specifically make it turn on for the window unit.
@@AveRage_Joe Makes sense. I've yet to see a good layout on paper how electrons flow to the nearest viable "outlet" and so many warnings on line like "you'll end up with double watts" or "you'll burn your house down!" I think they're not thinking about existing wiring already doing what they're warning about. Appliances only use what they need.
Yeah so many say all these warnings ect... Not sure how you could burn a house down unless overloading it with to much solar which could set the unit on fire. I know it shuts off if the grid goes away so cant send power down the line to hurt anyone. I think as long as there is an equal load on the house you will consume what you put in.
Hi, Love your videos but that offering from BangGood looks lethal considering it outputs AC via an IEC Male Socket. At a guess though the grid tied inverter shouldn't output AC unless it's detecting grid voltage but should the item be faulty and you inadvertently touch the output pins / pins on the plug this could be outputting lethal voltages. Just seems very badly thought out. A grid tied inverter should be outputting AC via an IEC Female Socket failing that some form of outlet that you cannot accidentally touch and get a shock from.
Then the lead pluged to wall will have live ends...
+Buildfromscratch Yeah they "shouldnt" put out anything until its syncs to the grid but I guess you never know. Maybe thats the reason why electric companies dont like them like anothe comments said. If they go haywire🤔
Damn good editing. Youll be kept on. -a canadian
+BlackAck90 Awesome Thanks!!! 😀
nice little box! you should probably leave it hooked up and get some money back from your panels ! :-)
If it survives some of the test I will 😆👍
now thats my kind of testing! "if it survives" :-)
Why Not Right!!!😉
I'd like to get about 2, 1000 watt grid ties , and about 2500w in solar. With about 1000 ah batt bank and a 2500 watt inverter for my sister's house. So the grid can be used as backup. And have 2500 w or so. If there is no grid power. Now I need to talk her into payi g for it!!!
That would be awesome to do!!!! Especially if she pays lol😆
When you supposed to stop your inverter from working during the black out situation but you choose to run a UPS injected to the grid means that you still put yourself to harm the electric workers out there that could potentially kill a husband and father of a family..
The UPS I would be running as an inverter off the batteries so the grid connection would still be disconnected!👍
@@AveRage_Joe I know about UPS inverter, but when the local electricity is down and your UPS system is automatically ON to supply the grid, then you forget to switch OFF the main breaker that bring the power into your house, you would still send the power out to the grid.. Unless you set up a contactor relay to automatically disconnect it when the grid is down at the same time when the UPS is ON..
I get what your saying and thats why it would be setup off grid before hand. Ive been using a 2700watt ups as an inverter for quite a while now for an off grid system. I dont run a bunch of stuff from it since I dont have enough solar to keep up but for the test it would be a stand alone system.👍
@@AveRage_Joe Okay, I get it now since you mentioned about 'Off Grid' Back up that I assume you use that to feed some essensial loads only, so it's not UPS for entire grid installation. BY the way, 2.7 KwH off grid system would cost you totally over 5-6 Thousands bucks to fully run for few hrs. In my opinion It's not worth it to only have it for back up when you live with grid network available almost all the time..
Yeah you got it. Agree, if someone were to buy brand new stuff it would be expensive!!!! I got a lot of my stuff free or super cheap from local e-recyclers including the UPS and li-ion batteries. I normally leave my frig off grid 24/7 unless we dont have sun! Its a pretty sweet setup! Still adding to it!
careful back feeding to start GTIs without having a AC dump, it can be quite dangerous.
+Chris Given Ill look into that thanks🖒
Have you looked at GearBest.com ? Some neat stuff there cheap.
I have and its very similar to banggood! Lots of cool cheap stuff!
You could use one of those big breaker circuits that can switch between power sources. ask Daniel (DIY Tech & Repairs)
Yeah possibly, I need to rewatch that vid!!!😀
Nice one sensei 🙄
+Eric Friman Karate Chop!!!!😆
Haha, thank you Joe!
You Betcha!!
...check your inverter with car batteries..warning..it will drain your battery .. asap ...hook em up temporary to check the grid inverter max capable wattage ...
Yeah that would be a good way to do it for sure!
This was very cool. Because of this I also bought gti 😁😁😁 hopefully you will love my video too
DIY PINOY brought me here
@@pedropenduko8755 thanks sir
ATT 10:58, the famous 'death dapter' as reviewed on other electronics channels .... the unused exposed pins are live ....
Dont have to believe me, just youtube search death dapter
+lez briddon Oh I believe they are live eeeeek!!!!!😄 I like that name death dapter😀🖒
hahhahahahahhaha it cometh with the chinesium sound effects in the box lol
LOL Hiiiii-YAH!!!!
But wouldn't you pay a delivery and service fee buying power if you are not using the solar at the time it is being created as the power cant be stored at the time of generation? You would only benefit from the power if you can use it at the time you generate the power as the power does not go into the grid or a battery so the power you generate would only be useful if you had say an electric car plugged in and charging when the grid tie inverters are at full swing and the car is charging, or you have enough base load in your house to use the power, or you have an electric car charging at the time you have the inverters putting power into the lines making it useless if you work durring the day and have your electric car at work and nothing on in your house while the solar is generating it's power.
Reevi said that wasn't lacist at all. :P
ROR OMG I didnt even Fink of Dat!!!😲🤔
So you have 90 watts of panels yet you're only harvesting 45? Horrible. Given the fact that you are harvesting exactly half tells me this could be based off a pwm
Those panels are 15+ years old. Not saying that is the reason but I could have and should do a load test on them to see what they put out.
Stop with the FN music and related slow mo
I have bought exactly like this 1 month ago. It was toasted yesterday due to lightning. It does deduct the bill but only for one month. What a waste..
Ahh that sucks!
dude next time you should not use your bare hands to calculate the PV voltage ,34 V that could hurt you in some special conditions
Even 48V is not noticeable through the rough skin of dry hands. However having the charger floating 62V was noticeable, when I put my plumbers crack against the charger heatsink, while touching the battery terminal (cramped battery room) !! Still felt more pleasant than a wasp sting.
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have you heard of earthships check them out on youtube might make you think a bit
+heyyoudienow I have heard of them. They are AWESOME!!!
{Bang Good} POW!
Hiiiiii-YAH!!!!!! Karate Chop!!!!!!😜👍
(block) (block) (grunt) (smirk)
The didn't apologize for the echo. lol
Joe them universal plugs(china ones's) are called death plugs better off in the bin where they belong :).
+Zero Bytes True that!🖒
But its so useful to plug it into the wall and then eject the other pins at the same time and have them stick out while live. They make a great idiot tester.
+kuhrd Natural selection at its best 😀🖒
Bang good. Reminds of youjiz
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You can only hook a certified pure sine wave inverter to the grid :o
Troof!
Fucking bullshit. What you think breakers are for idiot
And they are fused inside
Your camera appears to have some kind of fish eye lens effect, looks weird...
I had a wide angle lens on it!🙄
Why would you do that?
Probly not needed lol!