B17 strafed by P51 Mustang [Gun Camera Footage]
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2010
- Finishing off a downed B17?
Training mission?
First video clip information:
VIII Fighter Command
Combat Film No. 18887
F/O J.C. Hurley 79 SQDN
28 September 1944 20 F.G.
Second video clip information:
VIII Fighter Command
Combat Film No. 18888
Capt. W.T. Halton 328 SQDN
28 September 1944 352 F.G. - Авто та транспорт
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The B17 was from Horham England part of the 336th of the 95th bomb group. After the aircraft was hit by flack after dropping the bomb load as the lead aircraft. They lost 3 of the engines, the crew voted to ride the aircraft down huddled in the radio room. After a soft landing they were waived off by the 2 fighter escorts, they blew the aircraft to protect the precision Norden bombsight from falling into German hands. All of the crew survived in the woods for 6 days until the were captured and sent to the pow camps for the remainder of the war. Hempel Heath and Robert Eastman were the pilot and co pilot. This was only their second mission.
My grandfather was the right waist gunner on that B17. I take it you are related to the radio operator of that aircraft
John Curtis
John, the pilots were Hemphill Heath and Bill Eastman, Roger passed away in July, he was the radio operator.
@@Curtisandsonsrealty yes, he son, I have a scrap book on there experience.
Was my grandfather mentioned or photographed in the scrapbook? Joseph W. "Bill" Curtis?
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Norden was cold coffee, H2X was the music, radar guided bombing, one of the main reasons why they got the edge over the Luftwaffe late 43, with that they could bomb through thick cloud cover. The Germans had their own improved methods, remember when the US 8th AF started shuttle flights to Russia, the Germans bombed them out the same day in the night in 44 on their field in Russia.
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after a crash landing and dozen 20mm & 30mm of canon hits?? Jesus I need a Cd-player from same brand!!
He got a text message from the B17 pilot saying they were clear
G over hostile territory, the pilot was killed on the landing BC the field had two or three inches of water and it flipped instantly and did next to no damage to it. Once the allies got their hands on it revolutionized how we waged aerial warfare against the Japanese. Same concept. This isn't blue on blue (friendly fire) its actually standard procedure.
The Germans did get half a dozen b17s flying. The Americans were good with their unit I'd paintings and noticed when they got "hangers on" and shot them down...
Thanks for sharing. I’ve never heard about this
This bomber was crippled over enemy territory. The crew made a safe landing and as per USAF protocol destroyed the avionics, jettisoned the payload, all bugged out of plane and headed towards the nearest allied front. They radioed their position and the escort fighters destroyed it (not blue on blue, just protocol) so that it wouldn't fall into enemy hands and our technology couldn't be reverse engineered. Similar story, a Japanese pilot of the Mitsubishi Zero thought he was making a safe landin
The US-fighter squadrons do know neither friend nor enemy; they know only valuable targets. ;-)
Both Hurley and Halton were members of the 352nd FG!
They had this amazing invention, are ya ready for it? It was called RADIO. o_O
That's what they were called - "those" B-17s. Captured, fixed, and carrying a Jerry crew whose tail letters and markings didn't match got shot down if they tried to join up with an outlying formation. They'd shadow us all the way and give positions of damaged bombers....
Did this really happen? Germans would fly captured b17s?
So, how do you know that it was a P-51? Because the unit? Makes me wonder what the whole story was, what happened to the crew, etc. It looks like it landed in good order...out of fuel maybe? But were the crew captured, or did they make it out of France, or what? I'm assuming that they weren't still in the plane!
Spending all that ammo that may well have been needed for your own defence ??
Good point. Although allowing the Germans to capture a B17 wouldn’t be a good idea
How the fighter pilot knows when bomber crew is out of bomber???or any wounded crew inside??
I would assume he was in the area and watched it land
I hope all the crew had left before the fighters did this...
Both Hurley and Halton were members of the 352nd FG! They may have strafed a B-17 that had landed in the enemy territory...
is that what they were called? "those"? fair one i suppose... i cant remember where i read about the ground attack sorties that went in a set time after a B17 was downed. enough time for crew to get away but hopefully before jerry got in... some poor french civvies often got shot up either trying to remove dead crew or loot the plane or whatever but still there when attack planes went in... some interesting pics on line of B17 in german markings. no trying to get into a formation like that!
can we asume that it had to make a emergency landing and the pilot called the fighter to shoot it up and burn it so it would not fall into german hands .
That would be my guess. No sense in allowing the Germans to acquire a functional bomber like that.
Did the Germans get the Norton bomb site out. An intact B17 could be used by the Germans to penetrate Allied defenses and hit high value targets. A B17 could be flown from Norway to the US.
Might be why they shot it up?
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First, the Norden bombsight, not "Norton bomb site", smh, wasn't exactly laser-guided quality. Great for carpet bombing, but it wasn't precise enough for use on one plane for single attacks. What exactly were they gonna use it with? The Luftwaffe was ineffective by late 1943, so they weren't gonna be able to "use" this sight had they captured it. They also didn't NEED to capture one, since a German spy had stolen the plans for it and turned it over to Goring for $3000 in 1938 prior to WWII.
The Norden bombsight was very accurate for the day. It was used until about 1966. Further, Adolf Galland says in his book that during 1943 the GAF began focusing more on the USAAF than the RAF even though the RAF was much more numerous. During that time the USAAF only conducted visual attacks using the Norden bomb sight.
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