My epistemic penny this week: Some evangelicals are playing a theological Jenga game. The object of the game is to see how many blocks (doctrines) can be removed without the tower (the gospel) falling down. Players take pride in their skill and cleverness forgetting that Jenga is played in the still ,windless confines of basements and rec rooms. The tower would fall immediately in the real world. The New Testament carefully describes each block and each block is critical for the tower to stand under any circumstance.
@annakimborahpa the Nestorians were an early heretical group whose heresy was Christological in that they believed that the divine and human natures within Christ were separated rather than united in what we call the hypostatic union. Pastor Wilson was just using the name "Nestorian" as a catch-all for the kinds of people he is referring to, saying that if you don't want to be called a heretic, maybe don't do heretic things.
So its was a convenient term of generic aspersion, Pastor Wilson figuring that no one would be offended by the use of Nestorius' name? Tell that to members of the Assyrian Church of the East who consider the term "Nestorian" to be an exonym.
God commands obedience whether or not it comes from the heart. It does you no eternal good if it doesn't, but that does not mean that God wants you to disobey until your obedience can be given sincerely. That is folly
What you say sounds good, but can we be perfectly obedient and isn’t self control also a commandment throughout the New Testament? What is self control? And if we serve the Lord not from the heart that where is it coming from? Selfish ambition, fear?
@@erikawoods8975self control is obedience when you’d rather not. It’s not following the whims of your heart over the word of the Lord. It’s difficult to have your desires transformed and conformed without obedience when you’d rather not.
@@erikawoods8975 i highly highly recommend you look up the sermonaudio of Mark Jones on Antinomianism: the golden white devil (as it was called by a puritan). It will clarify this very helpfully for you. "Don't obey unless you feel like it",is actually a satanic lie that plays on our desire to be authentic. It actually functions as an excuse to sin. That idea of prioritizing being authentic to your self as the highest ideal is a worldly philosophy that comes from Sartre and is visible in every animated Disney musical from TLM through Frozen. What is the focus? Rebelling against parental authority to establish your own will as the path of enlightenment. That's a soul corrupting lie. I hope you'll listen to my recommendation. Ignore the revilers who will try to give your sin an excuse not to
The Bottom of the Empathy Hole. How appropriate! I reached the bottom several years ago. Now I just tell people, “If your pastor gets in the pulpit and disagrees with the Bible, even slightly, run away as quick as you can. Unfortunately it seems harder and harder to find a pastor who stands by what the Bible says.
@@manager0175 Okay. Hopefully 1. You "grow" out of the consequences and find solace in a loving and disciplinary God. 2. You're learning to think more clearly as a result of our exchange. (because ideas out of context can quickly lead to wrong conclusions) PS. Also, be cautious regarding calling something abusive. 1. We humans tend to have an inflated ego and could easily find corporal punishment abusive because our ego got hurt. 2. If spanking is a LAST resort, then, actually, there is the assumption that something of an admonishing nature preceeded it. So why is that unreasonable? If it's a first resort, in a parental environment where parents had already explained in advance to the child when a spanking would occur, then it also serves as a brake to the parent because a criteria had been set. So why waste time trying to reason? A first "resort" would have been appropriate in that kind of situation. (Biblically: Because a sentence against an evil work is not swiftly executed, therefore the hearts of men are fully set to do evil) If that was NOT your situation, then your parents were caprious and without guidelines. PS When my mother thought that I had aged out of spanking, she locked me up in a dark cellar. I was terrified because of the dark and spiders. Most would say that was abuse. I don't remember my transgression, but I assume that I never did it again. (She only did is twice) PSS Children specifically remember when an injustice happens. They rarely remember when they justly deserved a spanking. PSSS as a former foster parent, where I was NOT allowed to spank a child, it's actually understandable why one should not spank a child - because a loving and trusting relationship has not been established between adult and child, and a child isn't sophisticated enough to understand a corrective spanking versus an abusive spanking. Perhaps therein lies your issue?
@@manager0175I'm 64, have 3 children. Oldest was spanked 3x, the rest never. But I still believe there's an appropriate time/cause for spanking. Those who advocate for spanking can't point to a biblical mandate as to when spanking should stop. - so discretion?
Sobering, rousing battle-call! I loved how you tied the centrality of Christ, from Col. 1:17-18, into the chaos of a feelings-based experiential way of living. It’s the simplicity of fixing your eyes on Him, the author and perfect or of our faith, as the obvious and only antidote to the crazy, by way of the Big Picture super-Theology of all things in the universe being subjected to Him because of His worthiness! The best passage in the Bible to Celebrate Christ (col. 1), as the counter to being tossed around by emotional subjectivism. Peter walking on the water to Jesus, but with an orchestral score crashing and booming, to highlight the cosmic truth being illustrated by the “small” drama in the waves. Thank you for this message today, and praise Jesus Christ, the Lamb who was slain, who was and is, and is to come. /end weepy Charismatic-feeling interlude. /resume stoic doctrinal sobriety
As very common, I am grateful for your wisdom, Mr. Wilson. Though it takes some mental processing to extract the conservative and Christian stuffs, there is value that remains.
A long theoretical tirade for a 3 year old girl who was engaged in playtime and wasn’t excited about seeing mommy. I mean, that’s exactly the issue here. I see the issue as a mother who is upset with her child’s reaction and not necessarily the child’s behavior.
Could it be this simple: "19 This is the verdict: Light (sanity) has come into the world, but men loved darkness (insanity) instead of light (sanity) because their deeds were evil (insanity). 20 Everyone who does evil (insanity) hates the light (sanity) and will not come into the light (sanity) for fear that his deeds (insanity) will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light (sanity), so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God (the only One who can truly make and keep one sane).” Johnn 3:19-21.
The idea that we can help train and grow the hearts of our children goes against everything the culture believes. Goes against much of what conservative Christianity believes too-- they think it's only the job of the Holy Spirit.
I am perplexed in trying to identify what biblical principle/command Nancy is following to issue corporal discipline because her child was not joyfully happy greeting her when she came to retrieve the child from a friends house. Perhaps someone can enlighten me. I do see a biblical command to not strike your parents, that one is clear.
@@aallen5256 What I find bizarre…is you who think your angry verbal scoldings after the moment has passed are somehow more righteous or less damaging than a swift controlled physical reminder that a particular behavior is not right and will not be tolerated. As if well controlled corporal punishment is abuse and your rants are not. Hypocrites.
@@MikeFree22 lol what “rants” and “angry verbal scoldings”? You know that Nancy waited till “the moment” had passed too, right? Before spanking a toddler for not being as pleased to see her as she would have liked! You can’t hit a child until they’re pleased to see you.
@@GageHerrmann So the child stating "oooooh is it time to go?' is disobedience and deserves a spanking? Not greeting your parents joyfully is disobedience to who's standard? Nancy's preference or a biblical standard? I am not aware of any biblical standard as such.
This would be a great book idea for someone at Canon Press: The corporate leadership influencer business has taken to criticizing the Golden Rule, saying it's not true based on the reason that people like and want different things (as if the Golden Rule prohibits taking that into account). They're replaced it with something they call the Patinum Rule that is an unmemorable reframing that supposedly accounts for empathy. Please check it out. Thank you!
So it seems the real dilemma of out time is defining morality and righteousness. One from an empathetic secular view ang the other from a "traditionalist" biblical view.
@@manager0175 The are in a sense that they can't withstand modern sophistry (language games posing as knowledge). The secular empathy perspective uses progressive terminology to define morality but even that uses ideas from Christian theology and twist the words to mean something else. Traditionalists can never get around the sophistry because the sophist (progressives Marxist, etc) use their language to deceived them. There is really only one real option: not to be complacent and know your principles. I believe all the drama and deception that is occurring is because people passively accept common knowledge and virtue without thinking it through. Therefore we truly are the blind leading the blind.
What is amazing about all of this is the lack of men getting together and praying. What God hears from us is … nothing. when we get together it’s for condemnation them or congratulating us. No prayer even in the designated time for prayer. I’m astonished
13:17 what does it mean by "pagan"? some pagan ideas have been around since forever, like in catholicism. liberalism is christian values without the _church_ .
You err in assuming right parenting guarantees right children. If this were the case how did Adam fall? For certainly God is the perfect parent. Furthermore, the Christian ought not be pragmatic about that which God commands. We ought not ask, "Will what God says, work?", but rather we should be humble and say, " Yes Lord.".
Regarding evangelical Christians leading the way in divorce, I'd like to see the evidence of this. Furthermore, calling oneself a Christian no more makes you a Christian then calling my Dodge Neon a BMW makes it a BMW. And finally, if we say we have no sin we are a liar and the truth is not in us. The Gospel is sufficient for the Christian too.
@@manager0175 certainly God has given us brains, God has created order, He is the logos. And He even says, "Come let us reason together.". We should think. But this is not what you seem to be saying. It seems you're saying that unless God convinces why something He says is true, you will not obey Him. If I misunderstand you I apologize. If I am correct, I am compelled to say, you fool. Would you instruct God? Can God learn from you? Shall God repent of His doing because you say so? Where were you when He spoke into existence all that is?
@@manager0175 setting aside? Sir, if you merely set aside Gods word because you disagree with it, you must question whether you are in Christ. Now, if you don't believe yourself a Christian well then thats a different question altogether. God cannot fail. So...before I go further let me clarify. Are you saying the Bible isn't God's word, and therefore we should only follow what works? Or are you saying the Bible is Gods word, but at times you don't think it works (God got it wrong) and we shouldn't follow it in those cases?
Having a happy, healthy family makes you insane by modern psychological standards. The Science says that the model of mental health is a depressed, lonely, anxious, stressed, career obsessed single urbanite on a cocktail of medications to keep them from completely collapsing into hysteria.
I think what is interesting is what Paul was dealing with in his time. And then there is the issue of the branch grafted into the "vine". If one back tracks to Moses you see the 3 magicians that crossed with him over the red sea? You see God questioning him as to what he was doing his response even more interesting. You have the wheat & the tares.......The infiltration as it were the crowding out.....Most insightful pictures these are. We have the statement of the shaking & nothing remaining that God Himself didnt build We have the 5 wise the 5 foolish virgins. The warnings are there. Little understand the times & seasons we find ourselves in........Nothing new under the sun ! Those who are "citizens" of the Kingdom of God acknowledge that without Him we are nothing so coming from the place of gratefulness is as natural as a fish swimming in water? And we teach our children those statues of acknowledging God in all that we do....Praising God always for salvation & deliverance into His marvelous light. My Dad would always say "feelings" will lie to you & they do !!!!
J G Machen That Jesus is indeed mysterious. Who can fathom the mystery of His Person? But the mystery is a mystery in which a man can rest. The Jesus of the New Testament has at least one advantage over the Jesus of modern reconstruction-- He is real. He is not a manufactured figure suitable as a point of support for ethical maxims, but a genuine Person whom a man can love. Men have loved Him through all the Christian centuries. And the strange thing is that despite all the efforts to remove Him from the pages of history. There are those who love Him still. Christianity and Liberalism
As someone who grew up in the Reformed tradition and attended the aforementioned Calvin University (back when it was still called Calvin College and had some sense of doctrinal integrity), I find the disintegration of evangelism disheartening. I'm not going to use the word "sad" to describe my feelings about this, as that would be approaching the capitulation of being saved by emotions through faith. The idolatry of evangelicalism has resulted in everyone needing to self-conceptualize what "loving as Jesus would love" means, instead of identifying why Jesus loved. Christ's birth, life, death, resurrection, i.e. his atonement, was not merely an emotional action which resulted him feeling better about himself. His atonement was so we could approach the throne of God when we could not ever do so ourselves. Making evangelicalism simply about sharing and displaying our misinterpretation of " the love of Jesus", our " love" then makes us feel better about ourselves, and provides a temporary emotional warm and fuzzy happiness. Jesus never displayed his love in a way to make himself feel better, but portrayed his love in a way that transcends our understanding of love. We like "loving" to give us happiness, instead of sacrificing to give us joy. Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. James 1: 2-4 We must remove the "high places" of "the evangelicalism of loving like Jesus" and "emotional worship". We must reorganize the greatest commandments back into the right order. It's really easy to love our neighbor as ourself, and say this is how Jesus loved. But first and foremost, Jesus loved the LORD with all of his heart, soul, mind, and strength. The love that Jesus displayed for people never replaced his love for his father. Thank you Pastor Wilson for sharing your wisdom.
Aw, why not post the clip? I can't listen to the response before seeing the original thing. I like to form my own view of things before listening to any commentary on it. I'm a weirdo like that.
“The problem of these Idahoans who still discipline their children”😅 “conservative believers, you know, believers in Jesus.” Gold. Too bad he brought Lewis in who always put feelings (romanticism). And he despised scripture whenever it didn’t match human consensus on morals he called the Tao.
@@Julia29853 do… do you even know who CS Lewis is? The man who said if he wants to worship a God who is “good” he can’t worship the God of scripture. The man who said humanity needed no guidance from God’s Word on how to live right. A man who declared it doesn’t matter what the purpose of Christ’s death and resurrection was. Who practiced necromancy and believed paganism was inspired by God… that’s the guy I’m referring to
There is a dichotomy, and it was defined by Christ. The narrow road that leads to life does have two broad ditches on either side filled with all the godless right wing and left wing idolatry.
But Pastor Wilson, just think of the faux-sympathy you could get for being married to such a vicious, violent abuser! You could be the victim for once! 😆
Someone. Quick. What’s his word count in just over 20 minutes? Geez! Spitfire Doug. I’m going to have to listen again. Summary. Evangelicalism needs to repent and seek the true God!!!
Punishing attitudes? Nah. Stick with behaviors. FWIW, my views on punishing attitudes are based on what I learned from the non-conforming John Owen. I'd cite sources, but I don't have them handy. Judgement of any sort ought be a result of actions, because that's how God treats us. God judges based on word, thought, and deed. Actions prove the heart which proves the man. That's the flow of it. Imagine a court of law with the ability to say, your behavior is legal but we will punish you for your attitude. Our courts reflect God's court in this manner. Likewise Jesus, who knew what was in the heart of man, judged based on actions. Causality flows the opposite way. A bad tree has bad branches which produces bad fruit. A fallen man, has a fallen heart, out of which flows fallen actions. The root problem is neither behavior, nor attitude, but our root and our rootedness. Hence Jesus and the gospel. God doesn't save us merely at the behavior level (moralism), nor at the heart level (though that's awesome), but he makes a new man -- a new creation. In my opinion, keeping this thinking clear, creates a more pure and more simple gospel belief in me, which then (I hope), is more understandable by my children. To put it in what I think Owen would say: "To think to fix a heart-issue with the efforts of man is to render the gospel and the death of Christ to no effect." Or something like that. -- Cheers
Deuteronomy 28:47-48 Because you did not serve the Lord your God with joyfulness and gladness of heart, because of the abundance of all things, therefore you will serve your enemies whom the Lord will send against you, in hunger and thirst, in nakedness, and lacking everything. And he will put a yoke of iron on your neck until he has destroyed you. God, punishing unthankful attitudes in his children since the Exodus from Egypt.
Oh yes, definitions first, and who gets to define? What is a covenant? How the Bible defines it (many between God and men such as Noah and David) or human theologians? Wilson is a Christian, and an intelligent faithful brother (total depravity affects us all). However, Wilson, James White and many other True excellent Christians, replace some Biblical definitions with their own. Now, I agree with what Wilson says in this video, but Wilson is not consistent. I am a physician who has treated intergenders. While in the beginning there were only 2 sexes, male first and then female by subtraction (Y deficiency as only one X is used in a cell): Christ recognized a third sex. Those that come as eunuchs from the womb (as did Rabbis of his day). For a man who is lauded for speaking precisely, including by himself, Wilson is consistently imprecise. In this video he is, as usual, accurate but imprecise; giving opening for the Enemy. I don't hate Wilson. I'm disappointed that he's unable to think clearly.
@@justin10292000 That's great! I love it when you guys use words like Blasphemous and heretic! It's straight outta the 17th century! Look it, your gawd has a thing for severed foreskins. It is a big, gigantic, JOKE. It is absurd.
as horrid as your recent political positions have been. This is terrible that people are going after Nancy. All in all she seems a lovely women, and as bad as you get politics, you get domestic life very right and show true Biblical grace and leadership in that domain.
@@brettlee6325 Hes boilerplate conservative inc/neocon talking points. You say genocide is wrong and he starts talking about how you envy Jews. and uses left wing cynical manipulation of identity politics to deflect from discussion of the issue. Basically, neoconservative old tire irons which are neither new nor conservative. Same old ex marxist Jewish nonsense in wolves clothing. Disgraceful stuff
My epistemic penny this week: Some evangelicals are playing a theological Jenga game. The object of the game is to see how many blocks (doctrines) can be removed without the tower (the gospel) falling down. Players take pride in their skill and cleverness forgetting that Jenga is played in the still ,windless confines of basements and rec rooms. The tower would fall immediately in the real world. The New Testament carefully describes each block and each block is critical for the tower to stand under any circumstance.
@@manager0175 and all the people of God responded “I don’t think so, skippy”
That’s an interesting way of putting it. Good point.
I love parents who actually parent. ❤
How refreshing to hear truth! Well done and thank you. Praying for Pastor Wilson and all of the true men of God ❤️ 🙏🏻
"If you don't want to be taken for a heretic, stop giving talks at Nestorian conferences." 😂
Doug on fire again
I generally lean towards coward in the area I'm in but he's not wrong it's either one or the other.
Please inform me as to what Pastor Wilson is referring to by the term "Nestorian conferences."
@annakimborahpa the Nestorians were an early heretical group whose heresy was Christological in that they believed that the divine and human natures within Christ were separated rather than united in what we call the hypostatic union. Pastor Wilson was just using the name "Nestorian" as a catch-all for the kinds of people he is referring to, saying that if you don't want to be called a heretic, maybe don't do heretic things.
So its was a convenient term of generic aspersion, Pastor Wilson figuring that no one would be offended by the use of Nestorius' name? Tell that to members of the Assyrian Church of the East who consider the term "Nestorian" to be an exonym.
I've never heard ANYONE courageous or sure enough to say what he said at the end. Thank you Pastor Wilson.
God commands obedience whether or not it comes from the heart. It does you no eternal good if it doesn't, but that does not mean that God wants you to disobey until your obedience can be given sincerely. That is folly
What you say sounds good, but can we be perfectly obedient and isn’t self control also a commandment throughout the New Testament? What is self control? And if we serve the Lord not from the heart that where is it coming from? Selfish ambition, fear?
@@erikawoods8975self control is obedience when you’d rather not. It’s not following the whims of your heart over the word of the Lord. It’s difficult to have your desires transformed and conformed without obedience when you’d rather not.
Spanking a 3yo till they pretend to be pleased to see you isn’t a matter of obedience.
@@erikawoods8975 i highly highly recommend you look up the sermonaudio of Mark Jones on Antinomianism: the golden white devil (as it was called by a puritan). It will clarify this very helpfully for you. "Don't obey unless you feel like it",is actually a satanic lie that plays on our desire to be authentic. It actually functions as an excuse to sin. That idea of prioritizing being authentic to your self as the highest ideal is a worldly philosophy that comes from Sartre and is visible in every animated Disney musical from TLM through Frozen. What is the focus? Rebelling against parental authority to establish your own will as the path of enlightenment. That's a soul corrupting lie. I hope you'll listen to my recommendation. Ignore the revilers who will try to give your sin an excuse not to
@@aallen5256🙄
Bless you Pastor Wilson
The Bottom of the Empathy Hole. How appropriate! I reached the bottom several years ago. Now I just tell people, “If your pastor gets in the pulpit and disagrees with the Bible, even slightly, run away as quick as you can. Unfortunately it seems harder and harder to find a pastor who stands by what the Bible says.
Why are we raging war on empathy?
@@00teatimeempathy untethered from Biblical truth.
@@artemthetrain14 seems weird. Like there are so many other things to be worried about. Maybe I don't understand.
That includes dispensationalism ;)
@@00teatimeBecause empathy is completely false.
Hahahaha.... "Just give me five minutes and he'll mean it" Hahaha...
Amen!
Funny, but others would equate it to confession through torture.
However, spanking COMBINED with reasoning is true parenthood.
@manager0175 Didn't Got spank Israel?
By what standard do you speak?
@@manager0175 Then why say "There is never a good reason to spank a child" - if you're not God?
@@manager0175 Okay.
Hopefully 1. You "grow" out of the consequences and find solace in a loving and disciplinary God. 2. You're learning to think more clearly as a result of our exchange. (because ideas out of context can quickly lead to wrong conclusions)
PS. Also, be cautious regarding calling something abusive. 1. We humans tend to have an inflated ego and could easily find corporal punishment abusive because our ego got hurt. 2. If spanking is a LAST resort, then, actually, there is the assumption that something of an admonishing nature preceeded it. So why is that unreasonable? If it's a first resort, in a parental environment where parents had already explained in advance to the child when a spanking would occur, then it also serves as a brake to the parent because a criteria had been set. So why waste time trying to reason? A first "resort" would have been appropriate in that kind of situation. (Biblically: Because a sentence against an evil work is not swiftly executed, therefore the hearts of men are fully set to do evil) If that was NOT your situation, then your parents were caprious and without guidelines.
PS When my mother thought that I had aged out of spanking, she locked me up in a dark cellar. I was terrified because of the dark and spiders. Most would say that was abuse. I don't remember my transgression, but I assume that I never did it again. (She only did is twice)
PSS Children specifically remember when an injustice happens. They rarely remember when they justly deserved a spanking.
PSSS as a former foster parent, where I was NOT allowed to spank a child, it's actually understandable why one should not spank a child - because a loving and trusting relationship has not been established between adult and child, and a child isn't sophisticated enough to understand a corrective spanking versus an abusive spanking.
Perhaps therein lies your issue?
@@manager0175I'm 64, have 3 children. Oldest was spanked 3x, the rest never. But I still believe there's an appropriate time/cause for spanking.
Those who advocate for spanking can't point to a biblical mandate as to when spanking should stop. - so discretion?
May God grant life to our friends, family, and neighbors. SDG
Extra points for bringing Elinor & Marianne into the discussion!!
Excellent. Thank you, pastor Wilson.
Anything virtuous or noble untethered from truth will bring about great carnage and evil that makes virtue itself an abomintion.
The moment when Doug laughed at his own joke 🤌
2:59 that chuckle, hahaha 😂
Sobering, rousing battle-call! I loved how you tied the centrality of Christ, from Col. 1:17-18, into the chaos of a feelings-based experiential way of living. It’s the simplicity of fixing your eyes on Him, the author and perfect or of our faith, as the obvious and only antidote to the crazy, by way of the Big Picture super-Theology of all things in the universe being subjected to Him because of His worthiness! The best passage in the Bible to Celebrate Christ (col. 1), as the counter to being tossed around by emotional subjectivism. Peter walking on the water to Jesus, but with an orchestral score crashing and booming, to highlight the cosmic truth being illustrated by the “small” drama in the waves. Thank you for this message today, and praise Jesus Christ, the Lamb who was slain, who was and is, and is to come. /end weepy Charismatic-feeling interlude. /resume stoic doctrinal sobriety
As very common, I am grateful for your wisdom, Mr. Wilson. Though it takes some mental processing to extract the conservative and Christian stuffs, there is value that remains.
10 Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death. 2 Corinthians 7:10.
“the envy that drives every form of egalitarianism” 😮 wow, never heard it stated so on the nose!
Thank you
A long theoretical tirade for a 3 year old girl who was engaged in playtime and wasn’t excited about seeing mommy. I mean, that’s exactly the issue here. I see the issue as a mother who is upset with her child’s reaction and not necessarily the child’s behavior.
I think you are right.
Awesome!😊
Could it be this simple: "19 This is the verdict: Light (sanity) has come into the world, but men loved darkness (insanity) instead of light (sanity) because their deeds were evil (insanity). 20 Everyone who does evil (insanity) hates the light (sanity) and will not come into the light (sanity) for fear that his deeds (insanity) will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light (sanity), so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God (the only One who can truly make and keep one sane).” Johnn 3:19-21.
People wan to do what they want to do without consequences or condemnation.
This is about a 3yo who wasn’t as pleased to see Nancy as she wanted him to be. So she punished him physically.
@@aallen5256 Something tells me that's a misrepresentation.
It was her daughter and she was 8. Just the facts.
@@thetygerpulpitwithpastorglenn I encourage you to find the clip yourself
@@barbarakeifer2275 Nancy says “she’s probably 3 or 4, pre-school age”
Awe Aunt Nancy! She's so cool 😊👍
The idea that we can help train and grow the hearts of our children goes against everything the culture believes. Goes against much of what conservative Christianity believes too-- they think it's only the job of the Holy Spirit.
I am perplexed in trying to identify what biblical principle/command Nancy is following to issue corporal discipline because her child was not joyfully happy greeting her when she came to retrieve the child from a friends house. Perhaps someone can enlighten me. I do see a biblical command to not strike your parents, that one is clear.
She was at her friend's house. Mom arrived. It was time to go. Child was not happy about that. Disobedience.
@@GageHerrmann The 3yo said “oh, is it time to go?” And Nancy / you think that’s disobedience warranting physical punishment?!?!
@@aallen5256 What I find bizarre…is you who think your angry verbal scoldings after the moment has passed are somehow more righteous or less damaging than a swift controlled physical reminder that a particular behavior is not right and will not be tolerated. As if well controlled corporal punishment is abuse and your rants are not.
Hypocrites.
@@MikeFree22 lol what “rants” and “angry verbal scoldings”? You know that Nancy waited till “the moment” had passed too, right? Before spanking a toddler for not being as pleased to see her as she would have liked! You can’t hit a child until they’re pleased to see you.
@@GageHerrmann So the child stating "oooooh is it time to go?' is disobedience and deserves a spanking? Not greeting your parents joyfully is disobedience to who's standard? Nancy's preference or a biblical standard? I am not aware of any biblical standard as such.
On point !
The cycle of insanity begins with not spanking kids.
This would be a great book idea for someone at Canon Press: The corporate leadership influencer business has taken to criticizing the Golden Rule, saying it's not true based on the reason that people like and want different things (as if the Golden Rule prohibits taking that into account). They're replaced it with something they call the Patinum Rule that is an unmemorable reframing that supposedly accounts for empathy. Please check it out. Thank you!
Spanking a 3 year old 20-30 times for a naptime issue is not biblical discipline, thats abuse.
Ha ha ha I am looking forward to penultimate section but I will be patient.
So it seems the real dilemma of out time is defining morality and righteousness. One from an empathetic secular view ang the other from a "traditionalist" biblical view.
@@manager0175 The are in a sense that they can't withstand modern sophistry (language games posing as knowledge). The secular empathy perspective uses progressive terminology to define morality but even that uses ideas from Christian theology and twist the words to mean something else. Traditionalists can never get around the sophistry because the sophist (progressives Marxist, etc) use their language to deceived them. There is really only one real option: not to be complacent and know your principles. I believe all the drama and deception that is occurring is because people passively accept common knowledge and virtue without thinking it through. Therefore we truly are the blind leading the blind.
What is amazing about all of this is the lack of men getting together and praying. What God hears from us is … nothing. when we get together it’s for condemnation them or congratulating us. No prayer even in the designated time for prayer. I’m astonished
13:17 what does it mean by "pagan"? some pagan ideas have been around since forever, like in catholicism. liberalism is christian values without the _church_ .
Your best vid in my opinion
How do we reconcile John Piper's family issues with his teaching?
You err in assuming right parenting guarantees right children. If this were the case how did Adam fall? For certainly God is the perfect parent.
Furthermore, the Christian ought not be pragmatic about that which God commands. We ought not ask, "Will what God says, work?", but rather we should be humble and say, " Yes Lord.".
Regarding evangelical Christians leading the way in divorce, I'd like to see the evidence of this. Furthermore, calling oneself a Christian no more makes you a Christian then calling my Dodge Neon a BMW makes it a BMW.
And finally, if we say we have no sin we are a liar and the truth is not in us. The Gospel is sufficient for the Christian too.
@@manager0175 you will not what?
@@manager0175 certainly God has given us brains, God has created order, He is the logos. And He even says, "Come let us reason together.". We should think. But this is not what you seem to be saying. It seems you're saying that unless God convinces why something He says is true, you will not obey Him. If I misunderstand you I apologize. If I am correct, I am compelled to say, you fool. Would you instruct God? Can God learn from you? Shall God repent of His doing because you say so? Where were you when He spoke into existence all that is?
@@manager0175 setting aside? Sir, if you merely set aside Gods word because you disagree with it, you must question whether you are in Christ. Now, if you don't believe yourself a Christian well then thats a different question altogether.
God cannot fail. So...before I go further let me clarify. Are you saying the Bible isn't God's word, and therefore we should only follow what works? Or are you saying the Bible is Gods word, but at times you don't think it works (God got it wrong) and we shouldn't follow it in those cases?
For a bunch of "Nutjobs" you sure did seem like a happy healthy family to me.👍👍
Having a happy, healthy family makes you insane by modern psychological standards. The Science says that the model of mental health is a depressed, lonely, anxious, stressed, career obsessed single urbanite on a cocktail of medications to keep them from completely collapsing into hysteria.
@@manager0175We're living in a One Party Rule Fascist Theocracy. The official State religion is the Religion of Whoak.
Don’t spank kids.
I think what is interesting is what Paul was dealing with in his time. And then there is the issue of the branch grafted into the "vine". If one back tracks to Moses you see the 3 magicians that crossed with him over the red sea? You see God questioning him as to what he was doing his response even more interesting. You have the wheat & the tares.......The infiltration as it were the crowding out.....Most insightful pictures these are. We have the statement of the shaking & nothing remaining that God Himself didnt build We have the 5 wise the 5 foolish virgins. The warnings are there. Little understand the times & seasons we find ourselves in........Nothing new under the sun ! Those who are "citizens" of the Kingdom of God acknowledge that without Him we are nothing so coming from the place of gratefulness is as natural as a fish swimming in water? And we teach our children those statues of acknowledging God in all that we do....Praising God always for salvation & deliverance into His marvelous light. My Dad would always say "feelings" will lie to you & they do !!!!
*Mic drop from space*
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J G Machen
That Jesus is indeed mysterious. Who can fathom the mystery of His Person? But the mystery is a mystery in which a man can rest. The Jesus of the New Testament has at least one advantage over the Jesus of modern reconstruction-- He is real. He is not a manufactured figure suitable as a point of support for ethical maxims, but a genuine Person whom a man can love. Men have loved Him through all the Christian centuries. And the strange thing is that despite all the efforts to remove Him from the pages of history. There are those who love
Him still.
Christianity and Liberalism
I love the complete lack of understanding of what "pagan" means.
However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?” Luke 18:8.
3 words: tour de force
As someone who grew up in the Reformed tradition and attended the aforementioned Calvin University (back when it was still called Calvin College and had some sense of doctrinal integrity), I find the disintegration of evangelism disheartening. I'm not going to use the word "sad" to describe my feelings about this, as that would be approaching the capitulation of being saved by emotions through faith. The idolatry of evangelicalism has resulted in everyone needing to self-conceptualize what "loving as Jesus would love" means, instead of identifying why Jesus loved. Christ's birth, life, death, resurrection, i.e. his atonement, was not merely an emotional action which resulted him feeling better about himself. His atonement was so we could approach the throne of God when we could not ever do so ourselves. Making evangelicalism simply about sharing and displaying our misinterpretation of " the love of Jesus", our " love" then makes us feel better about ourselves, and provides a temporary emotional warm and fuzzy happiness. Jesus never displayed his love in a way to make himself feel better, but portrayed his love in a way that transcends our understanding of love. We like "loving" to give us happiness, instead of sacrificing to give us joy.
Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. James 1: 2-4
We must remove the "high places" of "the evangelicalism of loving like Jesus" and "emotional worship". We must reorganize the greatest commandments back into the right order. It's really easy to love our neighbor as ourself, and say this is how Jesus loved. But first and foremost, Jesus loved the LORD with all of his heart, soul, mind, and strength. The love that Jesus displayed for people never replaced his love for his father.
Thank you Pastor Wilson for sharing your wisdom.
Aw, why not post the clip? I can't listen to the response before seeing the original thing. I like to form my own view of things before listening to any commentary on it. I'm a weirdo like that.
I don't have a link handy but if you search for #spankinggate you'll find it quickly.
If this was a Twitter thing, then I am out of luck. Still locked out after over a year. Aggravators!@@brentives4688
“The problem of these Idahoans who still discipline their children”😅 “conservative believers, you know, believers in Jesus.” Gold. Too bad he brought Lewis in who always put feelings (romanticism). And he despised scripture whenever it didn’t match human consensus on morals he called the Tao.
Huh? You are making things up
@@Julia29853 do… do you even know who CS Lewis is? The man who said if he wants to worship a God who is “good” he can’t worship the God of scripture. The man who said humanity needed no guidance from God’s Word on how to live right. A man who declared it doesn’t matter what the purpose of Christ’s death and resurrection was. Who practiced necromancy and believed paganism was inspired by God… that’s the guy I’m referring to
"They" want you to believe there are only 2 rival factions, and that you need to "pick one of the 2 sides".
Don't fall for it.
There is a dichotomy, and it was defined by Christ. The narrow road that leads to life does have two broad ditches on either side filled with all the godless right wing and left wing idolatry.
@@umaikakudo
Ahh yes, the classic
immanentization of the eschaton error.
Not that rare nowadays.
There are two the right way and the wrong way. No matter how many different ways you're wrong it's still just you doing things the wrong way.
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What is the right way to do politics?
Could you describe all specific details and how it is wrong to disagree with any of them?
@@LRibeiro97Nerd🤓
But Pastor Wilson, just think of the faux-sympathy you could get for being married to such a vicious, violent abuser! You could be the victim for once! 😆
Someone. Quick. What’s his word count in just over 20 minutes?
Geez! Spitfire Doug. I’m going to have to listen again.
Summary. Evangelicalism needs to repent and seek the true God!!!
Punishing attitudes? Nah. Stick with behaviors.
FWIW, my views on punishing attitudes are based on what I learned from the non-conforming John Owen. I'd cite sources, but I don't have them handy. Judgement of any sort ought be a result of actions, because that's how God treats us. God judges based on word, thought, and deed. Actions prove the heart which proves the man. That's the flow of it. Imagine a court of law with the ability to say, your behavior is legal but we will punish you for your attitude. Our courts reflect God's court in this manner. Likewise Jesus, who knew what was in the heart of man, judged based on actions. Causality flows the opposite way. A bad tree has bad branches which produces bad fruit. A fallen man, has a fallen heart, out of which flows fallen actions. The root problem is neither behavior, nor attitude, but our root and our rootedness. Hence Jesus and the gospel. God doesn't save us merely at the behavior level (moralism), nor at the heart level (though that's awesome), but he makes a new man -- a new creation. In my opinion, keeping this thinking clear, creates a more pure and more simple gospel belief in me, which then (I hope), is more understandable by my children. To put it in what I think Owen would say: "To think to fix a heart-issue with the efforts of man is to render the gospel and the death of Christ to no effect." Or something like that. -- Cheers
I believe with children there isn't much of a difference between attitude and behavior. I'm sure you know what I mean.
You said: "Punishing attitudes? Nah. Stick with behaviors." AMEN! AND AMEN AGAIN!
Deuteronomy 28:47-48 Because you did not serve the Lord your God with joyfulness and gladness of heart, because of the abundance of all things, therefore you will serve your enemies whom the Lord will send against you, in hunger and thirst, in nakedness, and lacking everything. And he will put a yoke of iron on your neck until he has destroyed you.
God, punishing unthankful attitudes in his children since the Exodus from Egypt.
Pastor Wilson, you love publicity.
He an attention seeking harlot. It helps bring in zee moneeee'
@@Lombokstrait1By what objective standard do you decide making a living a bad thing?
@@justin10292000 Preying upon the vulnerable, desperate, and weak minded is not an admirable way to make a living.
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Sigh. Now what happened?!
For those keeping score
conservative Catholics = allies
CERC guys enjoying a little WBS = "damn them to hellfire for all eternity"
After watching this video of your wife I will not ever listen to you again. Doubling down on it doesn’t make you right.
Oh yes, definitions first, and who gets to define? What is a covenant? How the Bible defines it (many between God and men such as Noah and David) or human theologians? Wilson is a Christian, and an intelligent faithful brother (total depravity affects us all). However, Wilson, James White and many other True excellent Christians, replace some Biblical definitions with their own.
Now, I agree with what Wilson says in this video, but Wilson is not consistent. I am a physician who has treated intergenders. While in the beginning there were only 2 sexes, male first and then female by subtraction (Y deficiency as only one X is used in a cell): Christ recognized a third sex. Those that come as eunuchs from the womb (as did Rabbis of his day).
For a man who is lauded for speaking precisely, including by himself, Wilson is consistently imprecise. In this video he is, as usual, accurate but imprecise; giving opening for the Enemy.
I don't hate Wilson. I'm disappointed that he's unable to think clearly.
Your belief in jeebus is only a feeling.
@Lombokstrait1 Your blasphemous comment is ridiculous. You are wrong, but don't take OUR word for it: you will find out for yourself soon enough!!
"""jeebus"""?
@@justin10292000 That's great! I love it when you guys use words like Blasphemous and heretic! It's straight outta the 17th century!
Look it, your gawd has a thing for severed foreskins.
It is a big, gigantic, JOKE. It is absurd.
@@justin10292000 "...you'll find our for yourself soon enough!!" Brother, you can do better than this.
as horrid as your recent political positions have been. This is terrible that people are going after Nancy. All in all she seems a lovely women, and as bad as you get politics, you get domestic life very right and show true Biblical grace and leadership in that domain.
What are his horrid political positions?
@@brettlee6325The horrid notion that Jesus might be King of this world and not only of Heaven and some hazy future 😱😱😱
@@brettlee6325 Hes boilerplate conservative inc/neocon talking points. You say genocide is wrong and he starts talking about how you envy Jews. and uses left wing cynical manipulation of identity politics to deflect from discussion of the issue. Basically, neoconservative old tire irons which are neither new nor conservative. Same old ex marxist Jewish nonsense in wolves clothing. Disgraceful stuff
CALIFORNIA:
Sorry, no matter what Gavin Newsom says, nothing will make me feel comfortable living in Arkham Asylumn! 🫵😲😬🙄😒😤🇺🇸