Always interesting seeing different people's point of views and likes/dislikes on games. I definitely have a sweet spot in the 2.00-3.00 weight range on BGG for my gaming. I tend to lean towards games that are more casual play. Paul's list is full of several games that hit for me. (Viticulture, Honey Buzz, Lost Ruins of Arnak). Flamcraft is on my shelf of opportunity. Devin had 1 (Roll Player).
What's interesting is I (Paul) actually tend to find that weight range to have some of my favorites as well. I think that's why I consider them a miss, I went into them expecting much more than what I got or just something different to what I got.
Just curious if you've tried Viticulture with the Tuscany expansion? I was always very lukewarm on the base game and "didn't get the hype". Theme and mechanics are great, but it just didn't come together for me. The Tuscany expansion opened things up a bit and provided some different strategies that I thought were interesting. Still not a top game for me, but I am keeping it. Plus my son seems to love it (even though he's more than a decade from being able to enjoy wine!). I guess we'll just call it a "farming/business ownership" game!
Funny you mention that, I just tried it a couple weeks ago. We actually will have a playthroguh of it within the next couple weeks. While it did improve the game a bit, I really liked the orange buildings and special workers, it's still not one I'm going to gravitate towards.
What!?? I clicked on this expecting a warning not waste money on some really bad games. Arnak, Honey Buzz, and Viticulture are some of my favorite games in my collection! 🤷
Suggestion, you should show clips of the game play as you are talking about the games. Helps us that don't know these games, see what the game is besides the box art.
We've definitely done that before, we can try and make sure we do it in the future though! We do have some full playthroughs and reviews of 5 of these games on our channel if you are still interested!
Flamecraft was a purchase for my wife. She sent me the link and asked for it specifically. I got it wondering how much of a game there was on it, and happened to be surprised by how fun it was. Easy yes, but has more depth than you'd think. It is funny hearing the major complaint is length of a game, because usually it floats in under an hour and worst has been 1.5 hours for a 5 player game. I think the art helps sell it, but the game is solid. Too bad you guys didn't enjoy it. It's become a go-to, since it is game we can play after a long, grueling day of work without much setup or tear down.
Anytime the wife requests a game I am getting it! You're right about the biggest complaint being length, I wish it were around the 45min mark. There's just other games is rather play for 60+min
@@dadsanddice Paul's, actually. I fully agree with Devin. I said it in jest, though. Of course, we each have our own particular likes and dislikes. It just hurt to see a game I really like (also the ONLY Stonemaier game I like) on this list.
1. Earth 2. Space Base 3. Viticulture 4. Raiders of the North Sea 5. Race for the Galaxy Plenty of others. I thought these would be can't miss games, and that makes it all the more disappointing when i just can't get into them or straight up don't like them.
What a list! We love Space Base at high player counts when we don't want a party game. Paul's wife also did not enjoy ROTNS and that one kinda of hurts because he really likes it but can can barely ever get it played
While I understand that, I feel like if they didn't want the comparison the name Teotihuacan should have never been in there. There are plenty of other locations with pyramids
I’ll say this about Roll Player since it is one of the most played games at my house. Without the Monsters and Minions expansion it is just a decent game. With the expansion it is a great game
@@dadsanddiceWe own it but the only time I've pulled it out to play my wife said it wasn't for her. She didn't like all the reading. She doesn;t like ISS Vanguard or Familiar Tales either. The only game we have played to finish with reading involved is Sleeping Gods. She enjoyed that one. I'll eventually have to solo Adventures though. Just have to find the time
7 Wonders - I want to know what other people played at a glance... and I can't really do that in this game. Sushi Go Party! did what this did, but in an easier to understand way. One Night Ultimate Werewolf - this game is purely dependent on the group that you play it with in my opinion. If you have a group that just wants to sit there and not talk, then the game ends with nothing happening. Hard pass. Twilight Imperium 4th Ed - there's so much randomness in this 4x game, and I just feel that it's not to my liking. I don't mind the big long games, but I feel that a combat based game would allow for combat and victory, and that isn't usually the case. I would rather play an 18xx game or Advanced Civilization where there is less randomness and just as much game playing time, strategy, and player interaction. Planet Unknown - Why should my game end because someone else doesn't know how to play Tetris?!?!? If I play well, I should be able to keep going. Stockpile - I feel that the lack of information is a nice gimmick for this economic game, but it just doesn't interest me all that much. It just seems that Acquire does something similar with the not knowing what the other person has kind of thing, but it's something that happens in short intervals. I feel that Stockpile kind of can blindside you, and that leaves me feeling meh about it. Honourable Mentions: After Us - similar to what you both said about it. I also don't necessarily like that I don't know what card I am getting. Ticket to Ride - Every time I play this game, it goes on for like 50-70 minutes... and I would rather play Transamerica twice in that same time frame.
When you say 7 wonders do you mean the regular one or duel? I’ve only ever played duel and this one seems stupid to me too. 3 ways to win but all of them are fairly random in my opinion.
@billable1861 1st edition of the original. But I would say that the Leaders expansion makes it even worse. As for Duel, I have only played it three times in one sitting. I won all three times because of luck of the cards in the pyramid. Did some skill help me win? Sure. However, uncovering the perfect card at the perfect time won me the games, and I am not a fan of that either. I like skill games. If it has luck in it, I like it to be mitigatable.
Arnak for us its kind a feel good game. We really like the design, the theme as well and its kind of exciting when you explore the sites and dont know which creature will appear. The expansions made it much more versatile and asymetric. But at the end i can agree with you that ita a lot about the research track...
I’ve always wondered about situations like these. Sure, games should be the best they can be out of the box and not being that should affect their rating. But in situations like Arnak, where the research track is clearly the most important thing to pursue, is it possible to just nerf the research track or buff the other tracks so that the game feels more balanced? Has anybody house-ruled the game to where it feels more competitive? I love the theme and the expansions are awesome, so if I can tweak the rules to where it’s more fair, I’m more than happy to do that.
We generally don't like playing with house rule games, just our preferences. If that makes the game better for others then more power to ya. I generally give the game a good amount of plays and player counts before I decide they aren't for me. An expansion usually doesn't fix the issue
Flamecraft sort of grew on me. I really disliked it the first time I played it. I thought, what a waste of money. 2nd time I played It wasn’t much better BUT I seemed to have enjoyed it. I do love Lost Ruins of Arnak. the expeditions expansion makes it way better, imo. I haven’t played that many games, but some that I dislike are: Res Arcana (I can’t seem to wrap my head around it) and The Crew: The Quest for Planet Nine I tried viticulture on BGA and I don’t think it’s for me either .
Finally someone else didnt like Lost Runes of Arnak! We found it so dull and boring after 2 plays. Each subsequent play was less and less fun and we traded it away. Such a let down!
Lost Ruins of Arnak is bad for all the reasons Viticulture is so good. In Arnak the theme could be anything, mechanics don't mesh with the theme in a meaningful way, focusing on one part of the board often leads to victory. In Viticulture everything feels polished and deliberate, mechanics match the theme, you can't succeed without careful planning and utilization of all aspects of the game. Viticulture is definitely a top 10 game of all time IMO!
And every reason that you mentioned still makes me not enjoy it, this is why it's my biggest miss 🤷 Devin 100% agrees with you though about it being a top 10 gane
Out of these games I've played none and only just learning After Us (which I'm disappointed to hear might not be as great as it seems at first glance). But other than that the main reason I haven't played a lot of the other games is that I haven't really wanted to. Lost Ruins of Arnak sounded cool but then I watched a playthrough and was a little "That's it?!". Flamecraft never seemed to appeal to me. I've wanted to want to learn Viticulture but lose interest as soon as I try to learn the rules.
This was a great list, but I have to strongly disagree with Flamecraft! I think what makes Flamecraft is the idea of engine building (shops) but on a communal level in that the shops become better for everyone! Maybe as a hardcore gamer it’s not the top pick of games, but I still find it enjoyable, especially as an entry level game. My top 5 games that were misses for me: #5 - Earth The one thing that made this a miss for me was the color palette. I am red-green color deficient (color blind). I could not tell the difference between most of the cards, forcing me to have to ask everyone over and over what the colors were. The mechanics seem really good, but I was just unable to enjoy the game due to not being able to differentiate the cards. #4 - Gloomhaven: Jaws of the Lion I haven’t played the full game yet so hopefully that one is better, but I just can’t get through the story. A good story is what really makes an RPG for me and this one was too dark for me. I don’t understand why so many fantasy themed games feel that they have to go into evil cultish rituals with demons and the like. It ruins the game for me. If it didn’t go dark like it did, I’m sure I would love it. I really like the mechanics. But the story kills the game for me. #3 - Terraforming Mars Even without the dozen expansions, I feel like this game tries to do too much. I admit that I can be prone to AP on occasion, but this game is beyond AP for me. The million cards are the biggest problem. You have to determine somewhat of a strategy at the beginning of the game so as to get a tableau engine going. But the luck of the cards can easily ruin that for you and it is very difficult to switch strategies. I have found myself constantly stuck not knowing what to do because the engine I built has gone flat due to poor card draws and there are just no good alternative options without starting over from scratch. I like Ares Expedition much better and would play that over the original if given the choice. #2 - Ark Nova I have tried every player count from 1-4 and I have never been able to finish a game! It takes WAY too long. I have reserved 2.5 hours just by myself and it still took too long. Maybe I’m just slow, but I felt like I was going a decent pace and I still just ran out of time. #1 - Sleeping Gods I WANT to love this game. I love the Above and Below series. I was really hoping that Sleeping Gods would put them all to shame, but it just put me to sleep. I found it very boring and uneventful. I also felt that it was also extremely difficult! To the point of just being hopeless. I tried with my wife and we just couldn’t get into it. I tried again solo and played for hours, patiently waiting for it to pick up, or get interesting, or something, but it just never came.
I can get behind that with Flamecraft, I just think for what it is and the length I would much rather play other games. Your 1-3 are all games in mine and Devin's top 10 of all time!
Disagree with you on flamecraft and lost ruins. I think it also has something to do with experiences. My family group reàlly enjoy the games. We have good memories attached to them.
That's awesome! In no way do I want to say they are bad games. They are just games that didn't work for me, there's plenty out there that I love that don't work for others
100% rite about viticulture ... i bought it because the dice tower gave it stellar reviews when it came out ... but me and my family find it so dry and boring to play
Completely agree on Honey Buzz...I played it and it felt clunky...sold it. Roll Player though!?! Everyone I've introduced that game to has really enjoyed it. Edit: Even though Sagrada is solid as well, they have very different themes. It's not just all about mechanics.
Yes, like mentioned the theme is something very interesting to us but without the expansions it literally doesn't matter. I would like to try the expansions for this reason
@@dadsanddice I will say, I highly recommend the Monsters and Minions expansion. It adds a final boss fight as well as something to do other than going to the market after the dice phase.
I agree with u guys with flamecraft, it's cute and colorful but it takes too long. We got tired with it and didn't do a rematch. It's too long. I think most of the games are old or before 2020? More ale for uncle Paul. More power DnD!
Thanks Ken! Yeah Flamework I think would be better if it was shorter. Most of these games are actually 2022 or newer. Honey Buzz and Arnak are 2020, Roll Player was 16, and Viticulture was 13!
I have found out do not play Flamecraft with 5 people for the down time between your turns is a killer. 3 or 4 players is a much better experience. I do agree the artwork and the pun names of the shop do make me giggle.
@@dadsanddice100% agree. If the game was just that tad bit shorter it would be great. Whenever I teach and/or play all of my turns are how to get to the end game scoring as fast as possible to lessen those feelings of the game dragging on.
@@revimfadli4666 for me. It's not a good worker placement game. You get ton of resources and doesnt feel like your turns have any critical impact on what you are doing. Because you can go for a point card, but by the time your turn comes someone can steal it not even knowing you were going for it. I would rather just play everdel. Where your resources and worker placement matter on how many turns you can have. also every card that comes out matters. Flamecraft just has cuteness going for it.
Omg! My Father Work!! First game I ever played, that during the second game play-through I didnt finish. I was so excited for this one. It was just an awful game! The story was disjointed and awful and the theme was flat. The game play so was boring.
Nice video! I have to say that Lost Ruins of Arnak is a game that I enjoy very much. Most of the gamers that dislike it expected much more things happening on exploration. If see yourself from the aspect of a researcher who explores, makes discoveries (resources) and uses them to progress his research, it makes sense and it is really thematic. My misses are Architects of West Kingdom (toooo slow resource gathering) and Maracaibo (too quick rounds)
I think you're right about the expectations, honestly I think most of these games fit that bill! Nooo! Not Architects. I can see your point, it does start off slow, but once you get your townsfolk going it really picks up. The final expansion really does help the game out as well.
@@dadsanddice Maybe it hurt me that I exchanged Viscounts to get it, which I liked much more (but I have played so many times). Now I gave Architects to get Paladins :P
I did not care for Arnak either. I have played it enough, that I ignored the exploring and just zoomed up the research track every time and came in 1st or 2nd in score.
Always interesting seeing different people's point of views and likes/dislikes on games. I definitely have a sweet spot in the 2.00-3.00 weight range on BGG for my gaming. I tend to lean towards games that are more casual play.
Paul's list is full of several games that hit for me. (Viticulture, Honey Buzz, Lost Ruins of Arnak). Flamcraft is on my shelf of opportunity.
Devin had 1 (Roll Player).
What's interesting is I (Paul) actually tend to find that weight range to have some of my favorites as well. I think that's why I consider them a miss, I went into them expecting much more than what I got or just something different to what I got.
Just curious if you've tried Viticulture with the Tuscany expansion? I was always very lukewarm on the base game and "didn't get the hype". Theme and mechanics are great, but it just didn't come together for me. The Tuscany expansion opened things up a bit and provided some different strategies that I thought were interesting. Still not a top game for me, but I am keeping it. Plus my son seems to love it (even though he's more than a decade from being able to enjoy wine!). I guess we'll just call it a "farming/business ownership" game!
Funny you mention that, I just tried it a couple weeks ago. We actually will have a playthroguh of it within the next couple weeks. While it did improve the game a bit, I really liked the orange buildings and special workers, it's still not one I'm going to gravitate towards.
What!?? I clicked on this expecting a warning not waste money on some really bad games. Arnak, Honey Buzz, and Viticulture are some of my favorite games in my collection! 🤷
😅😅Im glad you are enjoying them!
Suggestion, you should show clips of the game play as you are talking about the games. Helps us that don't know these games, see what the game is besides the box art.
We've definitely done that before, we can try and make sure we do it in the future though! We do have some full playthroughs and reviews of 5 of these games on our channel if you are still interested!
Yes
Flamecraft was a purchase for my wife. She sent me the link and asked for it specifically. I got it wondering how much of a game there was on it, and happened to be surprised by how fun it was. Easy yes, but has more depth than you'd think.
It is funny hearing the major complaint is length of a game, because usually it floats in under an hour and worst has been 1.5 hours for a 5 player game.
I think the art helps sell it, but the game is solid. Too bad you guys didn't enjoy it. It's become a go-to, since it is game we can play after a long, grueling day of work without much setup or tear down.
Anytime the wife requests a game I am getting it! You're right about the biggest complaint being length, I wish it were around the 45min mark. There's just other games is rather play for 60+min
I was enjoying this video until I got to #1.
😅Whose number 1
@@dadsanddice Paul's, actually. I fully agree with Devin. I said it in jest, though. Of course, we each have our own particular likes and dislikes. It just hurt to see a game I really like (also the ONLY Stonemaier game I like) on this list.
@jacobjslee oh we know! All in jest, That's exactly what this list is for! Thanks so much for watching
1. Earth
2. Space Base
3. Viticulture
4. Raiders of the North Sea
5. Race for the Galaxy
Plenty of others. I thought these would be can't miss games, and that makes it all the more disappointing when i just can't get into them or straight up don't like them.
What a list! We love Space Base at high player counts when we don't want a party game. Paul's wife also did not enjoy ROTNS and that one kinda of hurts because he really likes it but can can barely ever get it played
Founders of teotihuacan never said it was a teotihuacan sucessor. Different designer
While I understand that, I feel like if they didn't want the comparison the name Teotihuacan should have never been in there. There are plenty of other locations with pyramids
I’ll say this about Roll Player since it is one of the most played games at my house. Without the Monsters and Minions expansion it is just a decent game. With the expansion it is a great game
I can definitely see how the expansion would fix it. Have you tried Adventures?
@@dadsanddiceWe own it but the only time I've pulled it out to play my wife said it wasn't for her. She didn't like all the reading. She doesn;t like ISS Vanguard or Familiar Tales either. The only game we have played to finish with reading involved is Sleeping Gods. She enjoyed that one. I'll eventually have to solo Adventures though. Just have to find the time
Familiar Tales is one of waiting on for my daughter to get a bit older.
7 Wonders - I want to know what other people played at a glance... and I can't really do that in this game. Sushi Go Party! did what this did, but in an easier to understand way.
One Night Ultimate Werewolf - this game is purely dependent on the group that you play it with in my opinion. If you have a group that just wants to sit there and not talk, then the game ends with nothing happening. Hard pass.
Twilight Imperium 4th Ed - there's so much randomness in this 4x game, and I just feel that it's not to my liking. I don't mind the big long games, but I feel that a combat based game would allow for combat and victory, and that isn't usually the case. I would rather play an 18xx game or Advanced Civilization where there is less randomness and just as much game playing time, strategy, and player interaction.
Planet Unknown - Why should my game end because someone else doesn't know how to play Tetris?!?!? If I play well, I should be able to keep going.
Stockpile - I feel that the lack of information is a nice gimmick for this economic game, but it just doesn't interest me all that much. It just seems that Acquire does something similar with the not knowing what the other person has kind of thing, but it's something that happens in short intervals. I feel that Stockpile kind of can blindside you, and that leaves me feeling meh about it.
Honourable Mentions:
After Us - similar to what you both said about it. I also don't necessarily like that I don't know what card I am getting.
Ticket to Ride - Every time I play this game, it goes on for like 50-70 minutes... and I would rather play Transamerica twice in that same time frame.
Great list! We love 7 Wonders and Sushi Go Party! You're absolutely right about TTR, I do love the mobile app for this reason.
Also, really wanna try Planet Unknown!
When you say 7 wonders do you mean the regular one or duel? I’ve only ever played duel and this one seems stupid to me too. 3 ways to win but all of them are fairly random in my opinion.
@billable1861 1st edition of the original. But I would say that the Leaders expansion makes it even worse.
As for Duel, I have only played it three times in one sitting. I won all three times because of luck of the cards in the pyramid. Did some skill help me win? Sure. However, uncovering the perfect card at the perfect time won me the games, and I am not a fan of that either.
I like skill games. If it has luck in it, I like it to be mitigatable.
We love both. There definitely can be randomness but everything from turn order to what you draft is super important
Arnak for us its kind a feel good game. We really like the design, the theme as well and its kind of exciting when you explore the sites and dont know which creature will appear. The expansions made it much more versatile and asymetric. But at the end i can agree with you that ita a lot about the research track...
We've heard great things about the expansion!
I’ve always wondered about situations like these. Sure, games should be the best they can be out of the box and not being that should affect their rating. But in situations like Arnak, where the research track is clearly the most important thing to pursue, is it possible to just nerf the research track or buff the other tracks so that the game feels more balanced? Has anybody house-ruled the game to where it feels more competitive? I love the theme and the expansions are awesome, so if I can tweak the rules to where it’s more fair, I’m more than happy to do that.
We generally don't like playing with house rule games, just our preferences. If that makes the game better for others then more power to ya. I generally give the game a good amount of plays and player counts before I decide they aren't for me. An expansion usually doesn't fix the issue
Flamecraft sort of grew on me. I really disliked it the first time I played it. I thought, what a waste of money. 2nd time I played It wasn’t much better BUT I seemed to have enjoyed it. I do love Lost Ruins of Arnak. the expeditions expansion makes it way better, imo.
I haven’t played that many games, but some that I dislike are: Res Arcana (I can’t seem to wrap my head around it) and The Crew: The Quest for Planet Nine
I tried viticulture on BGA and I don’t think it’s for me either .
I've heard the Expeditions expansion is good! We enjoy The Crew although Paul is terrible at it
Finally someone else didnt like Lost Runes of Arnak! We found it so dull and boring after 2 plays. Each subsequent play was less and less fun and we traded it away. Such a let down!
It's such a loved game, makes me wonder what I'm missing
My wife found Viticulture very boring. I also did not connect to it as well. I want heavier games like Vinos.
It's crazy that games can be do subjective. Viticulture is literally in Devins top 10 and I would be happy to never play it again
Lost Ruins of Arnak is bad for all the reasons Viticulture is so good. In Arnak the theme could be anything, mechanics don't mesh with the theme in a meaningful way, focusing on one part of the board often leads to victory. In Viticulture everything feels polished and deliberate, mechanics match the theme, you can't succeed without careful planning and utilization of all aspects of the game. Viticulture is definitely a top 10 game of all time IMO!
And every reason that you mentioned still makes me not enjoy it, this is why it's my biggest miss 🤷 Devin 100% agrees with you though about it being a top 10 gane
Out of these games I've played none and only just learning After Us (which I'm disappointed to hear might not be as great as it seems at first glance). But other than that the main reason I haven't played a lot of the other games is that I haven't really wanted to. Lost Ruins of Arnak sounded cool but then I watched a playthrough and was a little "That's it?!". Flamecraft never seemed to appeal to me. I've wanted to want to learn Viticulture but lose interest as soon as I try to learn the rules.
I'd still definitely play them, you may end up really enjoying them! Thanks for watching
This was a great list, but I have to strongly disagree with Flamecraft! I think what makes Flamecraft is the idea of engine building (shops) but on a communal level in that the shops become better for everyone! Maybe as a hardcore gamer it’s not the top pick of games, but I still find it enjoyable, especially as an entry level game.
My top 5 games that were misses for me:
#5 - Earth
The one thing that made this a miss for me was the color palette. I am red-green color deficient (color blind). I could not tell the difference between most of the cards, forcing me to have to ask everyone over and over what the colors were. The mechanics seem really good, but I was just unable to enjoy the game due to not being able to differentiate the cards.
#4 - Gloomhaven: Jaws of the Lion
I haven’t played the full game yet so hopefully that one is better, but I just can’t get through the story. A good story is what really makes an RPG for me and this one was too dark for me. I don’t understand why so many fantasy themed games feel that they have to go into evil cultish rituals with demons and the like. It ruins the game for me. If it didn’t go dark like it did, I’m sure I would love it. I really like the mechanics. But the story kills the game for me.
#3 - Terraforming Mars
Even without the dozen expansions, I feel like this game tries to do too much. I admit that I can be prone to AP on occasion, but this game is beyond AP for me. The million cards are the biggest problem. You have to determine somewhat of a strategy at the beginning of the game so as to get a tableau engine going. But the luck of the cards can easily ruin that for you and it is very difficult to switch strategies. I have found myself constantly stuck not knowing what to do because the engine I built has gone flat due to poor card draws and there are just no good alternative options without starting over from scratch. I like Ares Expedition much better and would play that over the original if given the choice.
#2 - Ark Nova
I have tried every player count from 1-4 and I have never been able to finish a game! It takes WAY too long. I have reserved 2.5 hours just by myself and it still took too long. Maybe I’m just slow, but I felt like I was going a decent pace and I still just ran out of time.
#1 - Sleeping Gods
I WANT to love this game. I love the Above and Below series. I was really hoping that Sleeping Gods would put them all to shame, but it just put me to sleep. I found it very boring and uneventful. I also felt that it was also extremely difficult! To the point of just being hopeless. I tried with my wife and we just couldn’t get into it. I tried again solo and played for hours, patiently waiting for it to pick up, or get interesting, or something, but it just never came.
I can get behind that with Flamecraft, I just think for what it is and the length I would much rather play other games.
Your 1-3 are all games in mine and Devin's top 10 of all time!
That’s hilarious! All five of them are generally considered by most to be amazing games. That’s really funny that some of them are your top 10!
You said you dislike the dark demonic thing I do too. Ever tried deliverance? It’s theme is angels smiting them
I couldn’t disagree more on Lost Ruins of Arnak and Viticulture. Two of my absolute favorites! Flamecraft was a miss for me as well…
😅 People sure do love those 2
Disagree with you on flamecraft and lost ruins. I think it also has something to do with experiences. My family group reàlly enjoy the games. We have good memories attached to them.
That's awesome! In no way do I want to say they are bad games. They are just games that didn't work for me, there's plenty out there that I love that don't work for others
100% rite about viticulture ... i bought it because the dice tower gave it stellar reviews when it came out ... but me and my family find it so dry and boring to play
I'm glad I'm not the only one
Completely agree on Honey Buzz...I played it and it felt clunky...sold it. Roll Player though!?! Everyone I've introduced that game to has really enjoyed it. Edit: Even though Sagrada is solid as well, they have very different themes. It's not just all about mechanics.
Yes, like mentioned the theme is something very interesting to us but without the expansions it literally doesn't matter. I would like to try the expansions for this reason
@@dadsanddice I will say, I highly recommend the Monsters and Minions expansion. It adds a final boss fight as well as something to do other than going to the market after the dice phase.
@teestarbird4478 now that sounds like a good time! Paul really likes Roll Player, I'm sure hell get it at some point
I agree with u guys with flamecraft, it's cute and colorful but it takes too long. We got tired with it and didn't do a rematch. It's too long.
I think most of the games are old or before 2020? More ale for uncle Paul.
More power DnD!
Thanks Ken! Yeah Flamework I think would be better if it was shorter.
Most of these games are actually 2022 or newer. Honey Buzz and Arnak are 2020, Roll Player was 16, and Viticulture was 13!
I have found out do not play Flamecraft with 5 people for the down time between your turns is a killer. 3 or 4 players is a much better experience. I do agree the artwork and the pun names of the shop do make me giggle.
@@jamesburns6603 I can't even imagine
The cards are too swingy in Viticulture... after watching the best strategy play out, I just copied it, and won easy at BGA.
Some of those visitors are strong
Flamecraft is a huge trash game .
I see who it's for and that's not us 🤷
What makes it trash? And how could it be better?
At least for us it's just too long for the amount of game you get. Feels like it drags about 15-20min too long
@@dadsanddice100% agree. If the game was just that tad bit shorter it would be great. Whenever I teach and/or play all of my turns are how to get to the end game scoring as fast as possible to lessen those feelings of the game dragging on.
@@revimfadli4666 for me. It's not a good worker placement game. You get ton of resources and doesnt feel like your turns have any critical impact on what you are doing. Because you can go for a point card, but by the time your turn comes someone can steal it not even knowing you were going for it.
I would rather just play everdel. Where your resources and worker placement matter on how many turns you can have. also every card that comes out matters.
Flamecraft just has cuteness going for it.
Omg! My Father Work!! First game I ever played, that during the second game play-through I didnt finish. I was so excited for this one. It was just an awful game! The story was disjointed and awful and the theme was flat. The game play so was boring.
This one as probably my biggest disappointment, on paper it should have been so good but it Just wasn't
Viticulture was completely rescued by Tuscany expansion. Goes from 6 to 10
That's what I've heard
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Really appreciate your opinion on these game. It's very refreshing to hear why these games were a miss for your game group.
@jgutkind thanks for watching!
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Wow, can't dig on viticulture? Seems like a skill issue.
Most definitely could be 🤷
Nice video! I have to say that Lost Ruins of Arnak is a game that I enjoy very much. Most of the gamers that dislike it expected much more things happening on exploration. If see yourself from the aspect of a researcher who explores, makes discoveries (resources) and uses them to progress his research, it makes sense and it is really thematic.
My misses are Architects of West Kingdom (toooo slow resource gathering) and Maracaibo (too quick rounds)
I think you're right about the expectations, honestly I think most of these games fit that bill!
Nooo! Not Architects. I can see your point, it does start off slow, but once you get your townsfolk going it really picks up. The final expansion really does help the game out as well.
@@dadsanddice Maybe it hurt me that I exchanged Viscounts to get it, which I liked much more (but I have played so many times). Now I gave Architects to get Paladins :P
@mikekots Paul's favorite of the 3 is Viscounts, Devin's is Paladins. Architects is both our third. Although we do think all three are terrific
@@dadsanddice I m with Paul :)
I did not care for Arnak either. I have played it enough, that I ignored the exploring and just zoomed up the research track every time and came in 1st or 2nd in score.