Rory Stewart is one of the most under-rated intellectuals active at the moment. May well go down as one of the greats, up there with Christopher Hitchins.
What a sad commentary it is on our society that this type of dialogue - reasoned, respectful and reflective - is so rare today, whether on TV, social media, or in person. Thank you, Profs Stewart and Galloway, for this masterclass in what Western Civilization is supposed to represent.
I wouldn’t say it’s rare, I would just say it’s not pushed or picked up by the mainstream algorithm. I get videos like this in my feed all day but they normally have less than 100k views and more often than not less than 10k.
@@historyrepeat402 exactly this! sadly the effort and resources required for good education, or self-education in my case, simply does not exist for the majority of people consuming the current political discourse. Clickbait wins the algorithm
@@HomeFromFarAway Then go forth and findeth those of staggering incuriousness where they might gather, and give unto them the joyous news of his presence.... And the best of luck.
The cash to poor people idea is very credible. I live in rural central america where people still plow with oxen, cook with firewood and haul water. There is no easier way to help them than just give money. They're too poor to waste it, they'll improve their house, buy a moto, invest in animals or seeds, and that money will be moving immediately into the local economy. They projects and people that come hoping to help usually seem to have their own ideas first and those are usually formed with little local knowledge, 'let us come and show you hot to do better' sort of thing. Really good start to this interview. And yes, the problem is if you just give away cash there is nothing fancy, impressive or important for the 'non profit money' people to do. Take it from the man. 16:30 "Liberal democracies are not delivering the goods." That's it exactly; I heard someone say that 20 years ago and it's more true now than ever. The emperor not actually wearing clothes is what stays so relevant to me. We're governed by phonies who act the role of public servant but the real job is money raising; how's that supposed to work out?
The arguments against this sort of policy always seem to be some combination of irrational, hypocritical and patronising. Particularly when coming from those to 'the right' (which is where most of the opposition seems to be) the arguments tend to be that the recipients will squander or waste the money, the implication surely being that the state is therefore better positioned to make choices for the recipients. Which, clearly, goes against what these same people tend to say about the state, personal responsibility, freedom, etc. The argument is made that this approach would be more expensive, even when evidence to the contrary is provided. It's difficult to see most of the opposition as being driven by more than prejudices and largely nonsensical notions of 'fairness'. E.g. we shouldn't just give X or Y group money, even if the evidence shows this to be the most effective approach, because other groups aren't receiving 'handouts'. The way I see it, fair enough if you feel that way, but just come out and state that as your primary argument. Admit that you don't really care about evidence based policies. Admit that you don't really believe many of the things you claim to believe.
@@_Stroda Yea, I agree, but that's asking politicians to admit something they don't want to and the rich people to feel some responsibility for the privilege they have. I guess we'll see.
I vehemently disagree with Scott on Palestine, and I was impressed by such a diplomatic answer by Rory on this issue. It was like a tightrope walk of tactful disagreement :)
Scott, you are an excellent interviewer. You were organised, you gave your interviewee space to give their opinion, and you were polite, friendly, and professional, even though you didn't agree on his assessment about Israel. Good job. Keep it up.
When I was last in London I remember thinking some of those buildings are way way older than my entire country. I think that kind of history and connection to the past is very important, but I think that history can weigh you down too. I think a huge part of the US success due to the fact that we aren’t suffering under the weight of storied institutions and historic traditions - although this too comes at a cost.
Brits are instinctively less adventurous and entrepreneurial than Americans - I remember hearing someone comment once that Americans take great pride in being the descendants of people who thought "Yeah! Let's do it! We're going to cross the ocean, take our lives into our hands, and carve out a new future!" but of course the flip side of that is that Brits are the descendants of people who thought "Er... No. That sounds much too risky to me!"
This is wonderful. Why don't we see this kind of careful, nuanced discussion in our MSM? It doesn't make money, or further the ambitions of terrible people. The percentage of our population that will take the time to listen and try to learn anything seems to be dropping.
It isn't a stretch to say Rory has become one of my heroes. He's incredible. Would encourage any newcomers to learn about his life and his work. Brilliant mind, brilliant man.
I loved this episode. A thoughtful conversation between two blue flame thinkers who really disagree with each other. I love the way that Scott went more quiet the more he disagreed. Respect to ProfG
23:24 Rory's subtle expression is very telling of his disagreement with Scott's assesment. The issue with the 'what wins wars is winning the war' argument is war can never defete ideology, it can only serve to embolden those ideologies.
The Nazi were defeated and their ideology, although it lives in r/incels and r/livingwithparents and other sad parts of the internet, has been crushingly defeated. Germany is a good one now, in partnership with France and everyone and in economic prosperity. Ideology can be EFFECTIVELY defeated, even if not "absolute 0"
Scott's simplistic phrasing also goes directly against what milutary analtsts say and believe, which is that negotiated compromise is exactly what ends most wars
I'd love you two to have more conversations in the future. These are the thoughtful discussions and debates we need to cultivate, where two people can disagree but have meaningful conversation. Great video.
First time I have seen Scott Galloway. I was seriously impressed by his use of short clear questions followed by standing back and letting his guest provide a fulsome response. Equally impressive was the framing of his closing remarks. Rory was his usual clear and thoughtful self.
Scott I appreciate your candid view on the middle East, and it makes total sense if you look at what happened since a year ago but no further. Let's say 30 years from now a few Iraqis blow up a tall building in the US, are we not going to mention what we did to them in 2003 that killed 400,000 Iraqis and the surviving children coming here to take revenge of their dead?
You are proposing a fictional scenario and making conclusions out of it. IF "a few Iraqis blow up a tall building" - we will see what is the USA response then and we will judge if it was fair or not. Until then, the actual "reasons" for 9/11 and 7-Oct were EXCUSES meant to seed doubt in those with weak minds who can't see that this was an ideological move by a culture that seeks to destroy the west.
@@brendanh8193 let the cycle of violence continue forever, add a zero to the number of casualties every time? I don't live there but I'm always amazed by how British and Americans like to make decisions for lands and people they know nothing about. Like the Sykes-Picot agreement or Balfour declaration that created the mess.
@@brendanh8193 The solution would be for US to be an arbiter of good faith and work for implementing a two state agreement, it's the only actor who can make both parties listen. But alas, the Israel lobby has hijacked US government and media...
For a man who’s as perceptive and smart as Scott, it’s incredibly disappointing to see him locked into simplistic, revenge-based thinking. His hardline views on the existential threat to Israel (which as Rory states are unfounded) is totally unlike his usual fact/data based commentary and I wish he would listen to Yuval Noah Harari when he talks about “fighting over stories in our heads”.
You assume those who take an opposite point of view are ignorant. Think on that. Those who drive faster than you are wreckless, those who drive slower are idiots who need to get out of the way.
@@JDawgstwothousand not necessarily. it is entirely possible for one person to have a deeper and more nuanced view on a topic without denigrating someone who simply knows less
There's no hiding Scott's bias towards Israel. Heard him do this a few times now. How any sane person could reasonably defend Israel's genocide is disturbing in the extreme (and that's to fully respect their right to self defence). Respect to Rory, although I actually wish he would kick back more when confronted with with such lightly veiled jingoism.
I agree. Hearing these two men discussing mass murder in Gaza in “rational and respectful” terms was chilling. This is truly realpolitik - a discussion devoid of morality. At the same time, this is the dangerous thought process that leads to war and genocide.
@@malcolmsmith4074I disagree entirely. they both clearly care deeply and ALSO are able to keep their limbic systems calm enough to be rational. Our frontal lobes are what stop us being in perpetual war
Agreed. Scott is clearly ignoring the incredible power of the religious right over zionism and jewish identity. They run the narrarrative, they currently run the government and they are measurably an actual cult. See Steve Hassen's BITE model of undue influence.
Agree. It was refreshing to hear a reasonable and sensible response from Rory regarding the wars that were discussed. The defensive mode from the host is sadly typical of an American. No attempt to hear another perspective which solves nothing.
One of the amazing things about Rory's attitude as well is that it demonstrates his deeply reflective thinking and willingness to change his mind - Rory supported the war in Afghanistan at the time and even literally served as a regional governor in Iraq, but gradually his experiences made him think it had been a huge mistake, and he changed his mind. He's applying those lessons directly to Israel's situation post October 7th, and would have been hoping that they wouldn't make the same mistake we did in Afghanistan and Iraq.
@@phueal These NY/DC intellectuals are so afraid of being cancelled, they just always go for whatever is politically correct at the time. Nate Silver has been saying interesting things about neoconsevative thinking in interviews recently.
@phueal big difference is the US fought that war on the other side of the world. Israel is fighting its neighbors that attacked it first. Those lessons don't apply
Scott, it's not that you disagree on Israel. The point is that you have read a couple of articles about the war and want to convince yourself you are versed in history and geopolitics. Focus on the topics you know well: economy, money, digital landscape, marketing, and pushing young men to find a real purpose in life. Thank you
A thoughtful dialogue, even when you don't agree 100% with everything. Note, in English: Afghans are the people, afghanis are the monetary units of Afghanistan.
On books: "A Little History of the World" by Ernst Gombrich is a timeless classic that I believe every teenager should read. It provides a foundational understanding of our current situation and is beautifully written with a young audience in mind. It never gets old. Congrats on the outstanding interview.
The is Israel / wars going on in that area is so complex that you can not have a narrow minded opinion on this. Maybe Scott shouldn’t put strong opinions on wars and stick to financial information where he’s been life changing for me
ABSOLUTELY 100% AGREE. Scott's allowed that part of his Jewish Heritage to blind himself. It snot the first time I have seen him talk like this but there simply is NO WAY to justify the Israeli Response to Hamas's attacks last year. *ALSO LETS NOT FORGET that the Egyptians WARNED Israel something was about to happen.* I'm certain that somewhere in the political strategy guide for narcissistic sociopaths there's a recommendation that sometimes just waiting for the other guy to do something so that you can retaliate in ways that normally you just can't do and get away with, is a sound strategy. Nobody has mentioned it, but considering Netanyahu's legal troubles where it was possible he might go to jail, this war has put a clamp on his court cases. I WONDER if the reason the Israeli government DID NOT respond to the warnings and better prepare itself BEFORE the Hamas attack was so that Israel could retaliate and therefore keep Netanyahu out of court. If you look at the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks the US 3 letter agencies got all the money they wanted despite the fact that it was THEIR OWN FAILURES to be ready and prevent such an attack.
@@alexs6708 REALLY - What part of Scotts analysis justified killing more than 16,000 children and maiming 1,000s more? I think you need to look at mirror and ask the sociopath you see if he needs hi moral compass recalibrated.
@@tonywilson4713 that’s war for you, innocent people die, especially when they’re used as cover for terrorists, that’s why it’s better not to start them
I’m with Rory on this one. 7 trillion dollars plus gdp lost was a fuck ton of money to waste on attacking Iraq and Afghanistan and it achieved nothing. We still have to take off our shoes and belts to get onto a plane.
No politician wants to talk about things that they can never do anything about nor care to address at all, honestly, such as the terrible & expensive state of public education, the massive wealth inequities between the top 1% & the bottom 99%, hideous expensive and prohibitive housing costs, corporate greed, and cost of living, insurance costs, if you can get it at all anymore, etc.
At best, Netanyahu is doing the right things - repelling existential threats to Israel - for the wrong reasons: delaying his own accountability for 7 October, his multiple corruption charges, and his attempt to remove constitutional checks & balances by altering the nature of its Supreme Court. The sad and very dangerous result of Bibi’s fundamentally self-oriented strategy - prolonging his hold on power by keeping the country on a war footing - is that it seems to be working. When/if the dust of these conflicts ever settles, it will once again become plain to see that the greatest threat to Israel’s existence is that it is at war with itself. Israel’s current state of internal division has been driven by the us-vs-them politics, cynical & unholy alliances, and an “I alone can fix it” mentality that have been the hallmarks of Bibi Netanyahu’s philosophy of governing. I pray for peace for the Israeli people.
To remove the threat of terrorism, you have to remove the reason to join these organisations. And that reason is primarily occupation, illegal settlements and treating Palestinians with no dignity in general.
Fantastic well -written comment with an excellent reply to this comment that I wholeheartedly agree with. Let us all pray for peace in Israel and Palestine . May the trauma of the past 12 months see the birth of something new once the fighting stops.
The upper middle class just doesn't want to hear how ineffective social programs are. The pushback is incredible. "But I already pay taxes to help y'all. What are you folks doing wrong now?"
Scott , the reason European nations will never be as dynamic as the USA is SIMPLE. They are much older and with far less space. Those in power have put their claws in every aspect of society for generations. While that can be true in USA as well, capable people at least have the option to seek opportunity in other less congested/corrupt communities. A person born in England , only has London, and good luck competing there.
There have been a few experiments with UBI in Canada. A former cabinet minister was asked about it in an interview and he said that one of the biggest barriers was bureaucracy.
It's hard to see how an all out regional conflict would help Israel achieve it's goals of peace and security. The longer this goes on, the more people get radicalized.
Great discussion but I think the central issue with our divisive politics has to do with Big Money in politics. This wasn't mentioned at all in this discussion.
Brazil's minimum income program works like that. I won't go through the whole history but at the federal level it was first introduced by the Social Democrats that, at the time, were often referred to as neo-liberal (though no serious person has ever considered them to be neo-liberal, including one of the main thinkers behind the Liberation Theology, Leonardo Boff). The program is highly criticized by "right wing" voters and politicians because frauds keep popping up every now and then - Bolsonaro, however, did not change it. The fact is the structure needed to check those frauds would cost probably more than the whole minimum wage program.
24:28 - I am not anti-Israel - but it has looser rules in terms of what civilian casualties it will live with due to a strike than the US did in any war in the last 30 years. Look at few times the US has done the kind of urban combat in Gaza, and the ratio of bad guys to civilian casualties is quite a bit better. There was that story about AI, which IMO the most interesting thing was how many more casualties that Israel would accept for taking some Hamas lieutenant than the US ever would have for bin Laden or other top terrorists.
I'm a little surprised that RS's "Cliff's Notes" on the significant factors of change in the UK in the past 20 years did not include the effects of immigration.
Rory is a typical naive European who thinks it’s possible to make peace with people who have no interest in in making peace!! Can’t believe he recalls the 90s as some model period, obviously forgot the intifada. Well said Scott!!!!
Rory got it so right about the UK and its problems. He should have held a high position in the Foreign Office, but sadly, he was marginalized by the right-wing populist Johnson!
Scott’s constant effort to defend the indefensible is disturbing. He needs to read more from the Palestinian perspective. Israel was created by driving Palestinians off their land, destroying their homes/businesses and separating families. Israelis have a right to defend themselves and terrorism is never justified. Israel has nevertheless treated Palestinians brutally and continues seize land in their effort to ultimately create their greater state of Israel. Anyone who claims Israel tried to minimize civilian deaths in Gaza doesn’t read the WP or NYT.
@@liliroulin if it is not a genocide when you have killed 5% of the people in Gaza then what is it? Maybe we have different definitions for the word genocide.
I listen to Prof G religiously and respect the shit out of him. However I disagree with his Israeli “self defense” argument. We all have our biases. It was refreshing to see a respected thought leader articulately stand their ground in opposition
“He has to figure out how to live with Hamas no matter how difficult that is” If anyone had done to the US what Hamas did to Israel they would be extinct.
Rory & Alastair have a wonderful podcast with The Rest Is Politics (TRIP) & TRIP-US, check them out. They offer a larger ‘world view’ than US podcasts.
I didn't like it that Prof. Stewart is very clear about that "Israel is wrong" but offered no alternative. If there's no better choice - then how can you say the actual choice is wrong? "Oh it's a very difficult and emotional discussion" - OK, then how come you have such clarity about BLAMING Israel but everything else is "too emotional"?
"Israel was created out of conflict and war, and has existed through conflicts and war ever since." Yes, but who is responsible for that? RS seems to be placing the onus directly on Israel, and his moral confusion on this makes me wonder why we should listen to him. I think Scott has a much clearer picture of the situation.
Rory Stewert is always put down because of how he looks which is a massive shame because he makes some incredible points. He’d be a better Labour leader than Keir Starmer
His appearance is irrelevant- what killed his leadership bid was hardly anyone knew about what he’d done. He’d been quietly working away doing a good job, but isn’t flashy or self promoting.
That’s such an ignorant, ridiculous question. It’s been proven, in real life scenarios, that type of right wing fear mongering is simply not true. Such a stupid comment to make in 2024.
For starters, Rory is mainly talking about the global poor. I.E people who live off of about 2 dollars a day or maybe people who make 3 to 4 dollars in a single day. That is where most of his experiance is in dealing with global poverty. His projects have consisted of just giving 1time lump sums of about 1000 USD per family and seeing the huge impact it has on their communities.
The massive wealth transfer during imperialism ended with India leaving in 1947. Since then, the trend in the UK has been down. The internet has hastened this. The UK will likely slide to where it was for most of history (before the colonies). The only question is how long this will take.
UK did really well in the 80s into the 90s actually. The decline is likely but it was never inevitable. Imperialism was never that profitable in the last decades of the empire anyway. Internet has been fine for the UK particularly given its activities in services, tech and academia, culture (art, TV, film etc) and journalism. These have almost nothing to do with colonialism.
Europe is the midst of mid. Dope history and beautiful land but they’ll forever be mid at this point. People want to live in Europe after they’ve made their money.
that's pretty good. a totally reasonable sounding former Brit politician acknowledging the shortcomings of his culture, almost admitting that the UK is going bankrupt and essentially future USA, advocating for printing money to give to less advantaged humans around the planet. printing money because for sure it's not HIS money and it's unlikely it will be OPM. therefore it'll just have to be printed. lovely.
Rory Stewart is one of the most under-rated intellectuals active at the moment. May well go down as one of the greats, up there with Christopher Hitchins.
Totally agree with you! He is amazing.
Hitchens was fast-talking hack.
@@moluther2826 Ha! I admire your audacity, champ 🤣
@@moluther2826 agreed. Hitch was a charismatic idealogue. he made valid points that weren't his own in very entertaining ways.
I love this interview style. Crisp questions. No interruptions. Splendid.
What a sad commentary it is on our society that this type of dialogue - reasoned, respectful and reflective - is so rare today, whether on TV, social media, or in person. Thank you, Profs Stewart and Galloway, for this masterclass in what Western Civilization is supposed to represent.
I wouldn’t say it’s rare, I would just say it’s not pushed or picked up by the mainstream algorithm. I get videos like this in my feed all day but they normally have less than 100k views and more often than not less than 10k.
Even more sadly, I would say it would be very popular if the general public (that's us, by the way) asked for it.
@@historyrepeat402 exactly this! sadly the effort and resources required for good education, or self-education in my case, simply does not exist for the majority of people consuming the current political discourse. Clickbait wins the algorithm
@@mcmc6621 from what I have read of the comments here, this channel is not watched by ye average joseph
@@HomeFromFarAway Then go forth and findeth those of staggering incuriousness where they might gather, and give unto them the joyous news of his presence.... And the best of luck.
The cash to poor people idea is very credible. I live in rural central america where people still plow with oxen, cook with firewood and haul water. There is no easier way to help them than just give money. They're too poor to waste it, they'll improve their house, buy a moto, invest in animals or seeds, and that money will be moving immediately into the local economy. They projects and people that come hoping to help usually seem to have their own ideas first and those are usually formed with little local knowledge, 'let us come and show you hot to do better' sort of thing. Really good start to this interview.
And yes, the problem is if you just give away cash there is nothing fancy, impressive or important for the 'non profit money' people to do. Take it from the man.
16:30 "Liberal democracies are not delivering the goods." That's it exactly; I heard someone say that 20 years ago and it's more true now than ever. The emperor not actually wearing clothes is what stays so relevant to me. We're governed by phonies who act the role of public servant but the real job is money raising; how's that supposed to work out?
The arguments against this sort of policy always seem to be some combination of irrational, hypocritical and patronising.
Particularly when coming from those to 'the right' (which is where most of the opposition seems to be) the arguments tend to be that the recipients will squander or waste the money, the implication surely being that the state is therefore better positioned to make choices for the recipients. Which, clearly, goes against what these same people tend to say about the state, personal responsibility, freedom, etc.
The argument is made that this approach would be more expensive, even when evidence to the contrary is provided.
It's difficult to see most of the opposition as being driven by more than prejudices and largely nonsensical notions of 'fairness'.
E.g. we shouldn't just give X or Y group money, even if the evidence shows this to be the most effective approach, because other groups aren't receiving 'handouts'.
The way I see it, fair enough if you feel that way, but just come out and state that as your primary argument. Admit that you don't really care about evidence based policies. Admit that you don't really believe many of the things you claim to believe.
@@_Stroda Yea, I agree, but that's asking politicians to admit something they don't want to and the rich people to feel some responsibility for the privilege they have. I guess we'll see.
Rory is becoming a legend
I vehemently disagree with Scott on Palestine, and I was impressed by such a diplomatic answer by Rory on this issue. It was like a tightrope walk of tactful disagreement :)
I listen to The Rest Is Politics every week and I LOVE LOVE LOVE Alister and Rory
I usually admire the Prof G Show... but this dialogue is really a masterclass. Really fantastic!!! Congrats!
Scott, you are an excellent interviewer. You were organised, you gave your interviewee space to give their opinion, and you were polite, friendly, and professional, even though you didn't agree on his assessment about Israel. Good job. Keep it up.
When I was last in London I remember thinking some of those buildings are way way older than my entire country. I think that kind of history and connection to the past is very important, but I think that history can weigh you down too. I think a huge part of the US success due to the fact that we aren’t suffering under the weight of storied institutions and historic traditions - although this too comes at a cost.
On the other hand, some people think that US constitution has gotten too old for the modern times, especially the infamous second amendment.
I suppose it depends how you measure ‘success’ though….
Brits are instinctively less adventurous and entrepreneurial than Americans - I remember hearing someone comment once that Americans take great pride in being the descendants of people who thought "Yeah! Let's do it! We're going to cross the ocean, take our lives into our hands, and carve out a new future!" but of course the flip side of that is that Brits are the descendants of people who thought "Er... No. That sounds much too risky to me!"
This is wonderful. Why don't we see this kind of careful, nuanced discussion in our MSM? It doesn't make money, or further the ambitions of terrible people. The percentage of our population that will take the time to listen and try to learn anything seems to be dropping.
It isn't a stretch to say Rory has become one of my heroes. He's incredible. Would encourage any newcomers to learn about his life and his work. Brilliant mind, brilliant man.
Very rich and respectful conversation. More of this needed!
I loved this episode. A thoughtful conversation between two blue flame thinkers who really disagree with each other. I love the way that Scott went more quiet the more he disagreed. Respect to ProfG
23:24 Rory's subtle expression is very telling of his disagreement with Scott's assesment. The issue with the 'what wins wars is winning the war' argument is war can never defete ideology, it can only serve to embolden those ideologies.
The Nazi were defeated and their ideology, although it lives in r/incels and r/livingwithparents and other sad parts of the internet, has been crushingly defeated.
Germany is a good one now, in partnership with France and everyone and in economic prosperity.
Ideology can be EFFECTIVELY defeated, even if not "absolute 0"
Scott's simplistic phrasing also goes directly against what milutary analtsts say and believe, which is that negotiated compromise is exactly what ends most wars
If this were true Nazis would be ruling the world. In war, there's winners and losers. Read a book FFS
I'd love you two to have more conversations in the future. These are the thoughtful discussions and debates we need to cultivate, where two people can disagree but have meaningful conversation. Great video.
One of the best podcasts of Prof G this year. Thanks!
I love Rory. This is the best collab ever.
First time I have seen Scott Galloway. I was seriously impressed by his use of short clear questions followed by standing back and letting his guest provide a fulsome response. Equally impressive was the framing of his closing remarks. Rory was his usual clear and thoughtful self.
Scott I appreciate your candid view on the middle East, and it makes total sense if you look at what happened since a year ago but no further. Let's say 30 years from now a few Iraqis blow up a tall building in the US, are we not going to mention what we did to them in 2003 that killed 400,000 Iraqis and the surviving children coming here to take revenge of their dead?
Great point.
I think like a few others have mentioned Scotts moral compass needs a major recalibration on that point.
You are proposing a fictional scenario and making conclusions out of it.
IF "a few Iraqis blow up a tall building" - we will see what is the USA response then and we will judge if it was fair or not.
Until then, the actual "reasons" for 9/11 and 7-Oct were EXCUSES meant to seed doubt in those with weak minds who can't see that this was an ideological move by a culture that seeks to destroy the west.
But what is your solution?
@@brendanh8193 let the cycle of violence continue forever, add a zero to the number of casualties every time? I don't live there but I'm always amazed by how British and Americans like to make decisions for lands and people they know nothing about. Like the Sykes-Picot agreement or Balfour declaration that created the mess.
@@brendanh8193
The solution would be for US to be an arbiter of good faith and work for implementing a two state agreement, it's the only actor who can make both parties listen. But alas, the Israel lobby has hijacked US government and media...
Honest conversation. Great dialogue.
My two favorite guys from my two favorite podcasts. I frickin’ loved that.
For a man who’s as perceptive and smart as Scott, it’s incredibly disappointing to see him locked into simplistic, revenge-based thinking. His hardline views on the existential threat to Israel (which as Rory states are unfounded) is totally unlike his usual fact/data based commentary and I wish he would listen to Yuval Noah Harari when he talks about “fighting over stories in our heads”.
Scott is just a bit ignorant wrt Israel. Glad Rory pushed back a little bit. Scott has a lot to learn if hes willing to.
You assume those who take an opposite point of view are ignorant. Think on that.
Those who drive faster than you are wreckless, those who drive slower are idiots who need to get out of the way.
@@JDawgstwothousand no, it's not because it's opposite, it's that it's wrong. Apartheid is wrong.
@@JDawgstwothousand not necessarily. it is entirely possible for one person to have a deeper and more nuanced view on a topic without denigrating someone who simply knows less
There's no hiding Scott's bias towards Israel. Heard him do this a few times now. How any sane person could reasonably defend Israel's genocide is disturbing in the extreme (and that's to fully respect their right to self defence). Respect to Rory, although I actually wish he would kick back more when confronted with with such lightly veiled jingoism.
I agree. Hearing these two men discussing mass murder in Gaza in “rational and respectful” terms was chilling. This is truly realpolitik - a discussion devoid of morality. At the same time, this is the dangerous thought process that leads to war and genocide.
@@malcolmsmith4074I disagree entirely. they both clearly care deeply and ALSO are able to keep their limbic systems calm enough to be rational. Our frontal lobes are what stop us being in perpetual war
Agreed. Scott is clearly ignoring the incredible power of the religious right over zionism and jewish identity. They run the narrarrative, they currently run the government and they are measurably an actual cult. See Steve Hassen's BITE model of undue influence.
Rory is a 100x more objective and empathetic than Scott on almost every topic they bring up.
Scott's take on Israel is so simplistic and terrible.
Agree. It was refreshing to hear a reasonable and sensible response from Rory regarding the wars that were discussed.
The defensive mode from the host is sadly typical of an American. No attempt to hear another perspective which solves nothing.
One of the amazing things about Rory's attitude as well is that it demonstrates his deeply reflective thinking and willingness to change his mind - Rory supported the war in Afghanistan at the time and even literally served as a regional governor in Iraq, but gradually his experiences made him think it had been a huge mistake, and he changed his mind. He's applying those lessons directly to Israel's situation post October 7th, and would have been hoping that they wouldn't make the same mistake we did in Afghanistan and Iraq.
@@phueal These NY/DC intellectuals are so afraid of being cancelled, they just always go for whatever is politically correct at the time. Nate Silver has been saying interesting things about neoconsevative thinking in interviews recently.
@phueal big difference is the US fought that war on the other side of the world. Israel is fighting its neighbors that attacked it first. Those lessons don't apply
@@arijoseph2282 the issues the US faced in Afghanistan and Iraq weren’t to do with distance from the US mainland…
Excellent Prof G - gold
What a surprise (not)that the American host thinks more bombing and war is the answer.
having listened to a few US military analysts, this is not a uniform opinion there. pardon the pun
Scott, it's not that you disagree on Israel. The point is that you have read a couple of articles about the war and want to convince yourself you are versed in history and geopolitics. Focus on the topics you know well: economy, money, digital landscape, marketing, and pushing young men to find a real purpose in life. Thank you
Interesting that you know exactly how Prof. Galloway acquired his knowledge about a topic. Are you a core family member or something?
A thoughtful dialogue, even when you don't agree 100% with everything. Note, in English: Afghans are the people, afghanis are the monetary units of Afghanistan.
The UK kneecapped itself with Brexit .... facepalm.
The UK and the EU must continue to support Ukraine even the US does not.
The EU is falling apart so UK was simply early. As Russia and China moves into Europe the UK will have more power to defend itself.
Love hearing from these two on the same pod!
On books: "A Little History of the World" by Ernst Gombrich is a timeless classic that I believe every teenager should read. It provides a foundational understanding of our current situation and is beautifully written with a young audience in mind. It never gets old.
Congrats on the outstanding interview.
Brilliant episode!
The is Israel / wars going on in that area is so complex that you can not have a narrow minded opinion on this. Maybe Scott shouldn’t put strong opinions on wars and stick to financial information where he’s been life changing for me
ABSOLUTELY 100% AGREE.
Scott's allowed that part of his Jewish Heritage to blind himself. It snot the first time I have seen him talk like this but there simply is NO WAY to justify the Israeli Response to Hamas's attacks last year.
*ALSO LETS NOT FORGET that the Egyptians WARNED Israel something was about to happen.*
I'm certain that somewhere in the political strategy guide for narcissistic sociopaths there's a recommendation that sometimes just waiting for the other guy to do something so that you can retaliate in ways that normally you just can't do and get away with, is a sound strategy.
Nobody has mentioned it, but considering Netanyahu's legal troubles where it was possible he might go to jail, this war has put a clamp on his court cases. I WONDER if the reason the Israeli government DID NOT respond to the warnings and better prepare itself BEFORE the Hamas attack was so that Israel could retaliate and therefore keep Netanyahu out of court.
If you look at the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks the US 3 letter agencies got all the money they wanted despite the fact that it was THEIR OWN FAILURES to be ready and prevent such an attack.
His analysis was extremely accurate. Do you actually have something to critique?
@@alexs6708 REALLY - What part of Scotts analysis justified killing more than 16,000 children and maiming 1,000s more?
I think you need to look at mirror and ask the sociopath you see if he needs hi moral compass recalibrated.
@@tonywilson4713 that’s war for you, innocent people die, especially when they’re used as cover for terrorists, that’s why it’s better not to start them
I’m with Rory on this one. 7 trillion dollars plus gdp lost was a fuck ton of money to waste on attacking Iraq and Afghanistan and it achieved nothing. We still have to take off our shoes and belts to get onto a plane.
A great balanced interview.
No politician wants to talk about things that they can never do anything about nor care to address at all, honestly, such as the terrible & expensive state of public education, the massive wealth inequities between the top 1% & the bottom 99%, hideous expensive and prohibitive housing costs, corporate greed, and cost of living, insurance costs, if you can get it at all anymore, etc.
Was a good one
Rory Stewart is just farking awesome.
At best, Netanyahu is doing the right things - repelling existential threats to Israel - for the wrong reasons: delaying his own accountability for 7 October, his multiple corruption charges, and his attempt to remove constitutional checks & balances by altering the nature of its Supreme Court.
The sad and very dangerous result of Bibi’s fundamentally self-oriented strategy - prolonging his hold on power by keeping the country on a war footing - is that it seems to be working.
When/if the dust of these conflicts ever settles, it will once again become plain to see that the greatest threat to Israel’s existence is that it is at war with itself.
Israel’s current state of internal division has been driven by the us-vs-them politics, cynical & unholy alliances, and an “I alone can fix it” mentality that have been the hallmarks of Bibi Netanyahu’s philosophy of governing.
I pray for peace for the Israeli people.
To remove the threat of terrorism, you have to remove the reason to join these organisations. And that reason is primarily occupation, illegal settlements and treating Palestinians with no dignity in general.
Fantastic well -written comment with an excellent reply to this comment that I wholeheartedly agree with. Let us all pray for peace in Israel and Palestine . May the trauma of the past 12 months see the birth of something new once the fighting stops.
The upper middle class just doesn't want to hear how ineffective social programs are. The pushback is incredible. "But I already pay taxes to help y'all. What are you folks doing wrong now?"
Two of my favourite minds on one podcast; brilliant. Check out "the rest is politics" for more of this kind of considered thinking.
Scott , the reason European nations will never be as dynamic as the USA is SIMPLE. They are much older and with far less space. Those in power have put their claws in every aspect of society for generations. While that can be true in USA as well, capable people at least have the option to seek opportunity in other less congested/corrupt communities. A person born in England , only has London, and good luck competing there.
Productivity is flat because we don’t produce anything.
Rory is a great guest especially his thoughts on Israel issue
Thanks for introduction!
@11.00 I think Scott meant the UK manages to steal defeat from the jaws of victory. And he’s right.
The UK is so screwed long term.
Why does the UK only serve $ made elsewhere.. because since Thatcher got in every Tory Gov has been only to serve the very few of the country
The great brain loved that series
How come the youtube version is much shorter than the spotify version?
There have been a few experiments with UBI in Canada. A former cabinet minister was asked about it in an interview and he said that one of the biggest barriers was bureaucracy.
Well, I did not expect this collab! How would we call it? "The dog is at rest"?
It's hard to see how an all out regional conflict would help Israel achieve it's goals of peace and security. The longer this goes on, the more people get radicalized.
I see that logic, but I also see Scott's logic. What is your solution to his description of the middle east problem?
How do I find the long interview of this short?
Great discussion but I think the central issue with our divisive politics has to do with Big Money in politics. This wasn't mentioned at all in this discussion.
When Israel comes up in any convo Scott turns into a psycho! Jesus!
Thanks for another great video. I would love to hear how you like to incorporate Bear spray/bangers into this system?
My God Scott you have lost all respect. It’s a genocide happening in Gaza and now Lebanon. Shocking commentary.
UK is the 6th largest not 5th largest economy as of 2024 😮, India is the 5th largest
Brazil's minimum income program works like that. I won't go through the whole history but at the federal level it was first introduced by the Social Democrats that, at the time, were often referred to as neo-liberal (though no serious person has ever considered them to be neo-liberal, including one of the main thinkers behind the Liberation Theology, Leonardo Boff). The program is highly criticized by "right wing" voters and politicians because frauds keep popping up every now and then - Bolsonaro, however, did not change it. The fact is the structure needed to check those frauds would cost probably more than the whole minimum wage program.
Sounds lilke the editor went just slightly heavy on the de-esser to remove Rory’s sibilance whistle tones
Yeah, I noticed there's something wrong with Rory's speech, he doesn't sound like that. De-sser ? That's a thing ?
Enjoy Scott's podcast but he's very blinkered when it comes to Israel..
Governments shouldnt give foreign aid money at all.
Leave it to individual charity.
The analysis about Lebanon didn't age very well.
Is it odd to agree with both of their positions on the Middle East conflict/s?
Rory understands the world so intricately, but only the media-caricature of sober Viktor Orban
24:28 - I am not anti-Israel - but it has looser rules in terms of what civilian casualties it will live with due to a strike than the US did in any war in the last 30 years. Look at few times the US has done the kind of urban combat in Gaza, and the ratio of bad guys to civilian casualties is quite a bit better. There was that story about AI, which IMO the most interesting thing was how many more casualties that Israel would accept for taking some Hamas lieutenant than the US ever would have for bin Laden or other top terrorists.
We are already giving money to the poor in the States
I'm a little surprised that RS's "Cliff's Notes" on the significant factors of change in the UK in the past 20 years did not include the effects of immigration.
This guy really drank the coolaid on some things. notably in the middle east.
Well said Scott!!!! Loved the way you countered Rory and his anti-Israel views!!
Rory is a typical naive European who thinks it’s possible to make peace with people who have no interest in in making peace!! Can’t believe he recalls the 90s as some model period, obviously forgot the intifada. Well said Scott!!!!
he isnt anti - israel. Israel has literally attacked the UN.
Wow, nothing about UK's immigration issue mentioned regarding politics. That's been a major issue for the past decade.
but it really is a non issue
Rory and Sam Harris had a row.
Rory got it so right about the UK and its problems. He should have held a high position in the Foreign Office, but sadly, he was marginalized by the right-wing populist Johnson!
Try the Alex Rider series for boys
Scott’s constant effort to defend the indefensible is disturbing. He needs to read more from the Palestinian perspective. Israel was created by driving Palestinians off their land, destroying their homes/businesses and separating families. Israelis have a right to defend themselves and terrorism is never justified. Israel has nevertheless treated Palestinians brutally and continues seize land in their effort to ultimately create their greater state of Israel. Anyone who claims Israel tried to minimize civilian deaths in Gaza doesn’t read the WP or NYT.
Rory utterly failed to address Scott's fundamental argument.
He did explain but Scott cut the conversation off.
Scott’s view on Israel is his worst take. The fact he can’t see what Israel is doing is genocide is disappointing.😢
He’s being paid to turn his head and act like it’s not happening
look after specialistes, historians, it s not a genocide
@@liliroulin if it is not a genocide when you have killed 5% of the people in Gaza then what is it? Maybe we have different definitions for the word genocide.
Its almost enough to put me off his podcast - You could see Rory's face as he was talking about it
@@liliroulin begone zogbot
The views of this guests are great examples of why England is no longer great.
Because?
Excellent episode. More Rory!!
I listen to Prof G religiously and respect the shit out of him. However I disagree with his Israeli “self defense” argument. We all have our biases. It was refreshing to see a respected thought leader articulately stand their ground in opposition
great point that a few others have also noted
On that subject Scott needs a major recalibration of his moral compass
@@tonywilson4713 you need to recalibrate your spam, you send the same message all the time and it's boring people and they won't fall to your psyOps
“He has to figure out how to live with Hamas no matter how difficult that is” If anyone had done to the US what Hamas did to Israel they would be extinct.
The Taliban literally still exists.
Day 25: Please bring on Gary Stevenson (Garys Economics)! Thanks!
“They [the Romans] make a desert and call it peace” - Tacitus.
Rory & Alastair have a wonderful podcast with The Rest Is Politics (TRIP) & TRIP-US, check them out. They offer a larger ‘world view’ than US podcasts.
I didn't like it that Prof. Stewart is very clear about that "Israel is wrong" but offered no alternative.
If there's no better choice - then how can you say the actual choice is wrong?
"Oh it's a very difficult and emotional discussion" - OK, then how come you have such clarity about BLAMING Israel but everything else is "too emotional"?
I’m convinced he is Ed’s dad 😂
the music is so annoying..
36:57 I found it strange he disagrees like they’re peers on the matter.
Otherwise enjoyable 😊
"Israel was created out of conflict and war, and has existed through conflicts and war ever since." Yes, but who is responsible for that? RS seems to be placing the onus directly on Israel, and his moral confusion on this makes me wonder why we should listen to him. I think Scott has a much clearer picture of the situation.
what are the options? ...Nuclear.
Rory Stewert is always put down because of how he looks which is a massive shame because he makes some incredible points. He’d be a better Labour leader than Keir Starmer
His appearance is irrelevant- what killed his leadership bid was hardly anyone knew about what he’d done. He’d been quietly working away doing a good job, but isn’t flashy or self promoting.
If you give people cash directly, why would their neighbor be motivated to continue working?
That’s such an ignorant, ridiculous question. It’s been proven, in real life scenarios, that type of right wing fear mongering is simply not true. Such a stupid comment to make in 2024.
For starters, Rory is mainly talking about the global poor. I.E people who live off of about 2 dollars a day or maybe people who make 3 to 4 dollars in a single day. That is where most of his experiance is in dealing with global poverty. His projects have consisted of just giving 1time lump sums of about 1000 USD per family and seeing the huge impact it has on their communities.
The massive wealth transfer during imperialism ended with India leaving in 1947. Since then, the trend in the UK has been down. The internet has hastened this. The UK will likely slide to where it was for most of history (before the colonies). The only question is how long this will take.
UK did really well in the 80s into the 90s actually. The decline is likely but it was never inevitable. Imperialism was never that profitable in the last decades of the empire anyway. Internet has been fine for the UK particularly given its activities in services, tech and academia, culture (art, TV, film etc) and journalism. These have almost nothing to do with colonialism.
Europe is the midst of mid. Dope history and beautiful land but they’ll forever be mid at this point. People want to live in Europe after they’ve made their money.
that's pretty good. a totally reasonable sounding former Brit politician acknowledging the shortcomings of his culture, almost admitting that the UK is going bankrupt and essentially future USA, advocating for printing money to give to less advantaged humans around the planet. printing money because for sure it's not HIS money and it's unlikely it will be OPM. therefore it'll just have to be printed. lovely.
I hope Scott returns the favour an appears on The Rest is Politics.
Rory has said he wants a blasphemy law to project you know who
aaaahhh George Simenon is Belgian not French