That was a Bitchen shot, at 220 yards, with that delay! Notice your anticipated reaction to the flash and then boom....hardly any flinch. I do admit, you got a steady hold, and one of the best shots I've ever seen, with a delayed Pyrodex charge.
I can't remember what my reasoning was, but I dumped about a half a powder horn worth of black powder into my shop garbage can (home depot bucket) and kinda forgot about it until I was using an angle grinder on some metal and some sparks found it. I was very confused for a second about what just happened and why my shop was instantly full of smoke
I love it when you say how you can't get real blackpowder locally and all the online stores are out and someone says,"Just use Pyrodex with a little real blackpowder first." Did they not read that I said I couldn't find any real blackpowder? If there's no real blackpowder to be had, how am I going to load blackpowder and then Pyrodex?:)
Been a very occasional blackpowder shooter for thirty years. I have a CVA .50 cal percussion rifle that i like a lot. I am nearing retirement age and getting back into black powder and have ordered a Kibler Woodsrunner rifle kit in .54 cal and have learned so much more than the little i now realized i knew about black powder thanks to you and your efforts. I find your channel full of great information, explained thoroughly and quite entertaining as well. Other than being jealous of the cool places you have to shoot, i'm a city dweller, I think your content is supurb. Thanks for all the time and effort you do to make such great content for us less experiences black powder shooters. Very good stuff indeed!
I bought my first flintlock in July, the only powder in my immediate area was pyrodex and I thought I was just going to have to deal with misfires for a while. That is until I got ahold of some Schuetzen. My god what a difference it makes. It’s like I just figured out there’s more than one gear on a car.
I'm fairly new to Blackpowder shooting, having shot Percussion-lock and Cap and ball. I just guessed Pyrodex was a "good enough" substitute as that's really the only thing people carry in town. This helped greatly, so, thank you!
That last shot was fabolous (or however this word id being written) To stay at Your target for so long, while standing without any support... Man, You are trained well !
I remember hunting with my Traditions Deerhunter .50 CAL percussion rifle 30 years ago, I loaded it with Pyrodex powder first day of hunting in November. I went out every weekend and few days during week, good weather, damp weather and in snow flurry weather, my son did same with his same brand type rifle but he loaded with black powder...... We seen does but at end of season we didn't see any good shot on bucks, so at end of season near end of day, we decided to unload. I shot first at a tree and all my rifle did was click click click,,,,,,,,,, then my son shot at same tree with his rifle and he went BANG, from that day on I'll never trust Pyrodex on deer hunting. We had to take my cone off and put a little black powder in the hole to get the Pyrodex to fire. I now only use Pyrodex in cap&ball revolvers for target shooting..........
I remember when I first started with black powder I had a cheap flintlock I bought online and went to my sporting store to get some powder. The man helping me at the store was very confident I could use pyrodex 2f in the barrel and the pan. I trusted him and very quickly learned that the guy had definitely never shot a flintlock in his life.
When I was much younger I couldn't get real black for my flintlock. I used Pyrodex for main charge and pan. What I did was crush the Pyrodex between to spoons to get it fine enough for the pan. Still wasn't as fast lock time as real black but it usually fired
In my experience pyrodex is harder to clean up, more corrosive, and only slightly cheaper than the real stuff, so why bother with it unless it’s the only powder you can get.
When I was getting started, everything I read and everything people said was something along the lines of "substitutes are generally safer to handle" So it made the most sense for a newbie getting started. But Now that ik how to handle a muzzelloader, pyrodex and 777 is all I can really find, I've never gotten the chance to use real bp yet.
This is "Why" I make my own. not hard. I have a hard time making really Fast BP but basically any of mine is better for me than Pyrodex. Think I have it down now.
Exactly that. I have not been able to buy BP on a shelf in 10 years. Pyrodex on the other hand was everywhere till ammopocalypse. The whole reason I watch this chanel. Tired of relying on supply coming from anywhere but myself.
I did have to do the 5 grains of real back under the main charge of substitute last year when powder is fairly hard to get. It does work if you really need to stretch out a pound of powder, but it's never preferred.
Hey everything black powder how about a video about burning Pyrodex versus Burning real black powder on a polished steel surface and see which one makes the most rust and corrosion.
When I was using a lot of Pyrodex, I often had percussion caps fail to ignite the charge in my revolver. Since I switched to BP, those problems are virtually non-existent.
When I first shot a muzzleloader at 11 years old, it was my Grandfather's CVA Kentucky Rifle percussion .45 back in 1986 and he was using Pyrodex. When I first got into black powder shooting, that was the gun I used and for a while, I used Pyrodex, but never really cared for it. Eventually once Triple 7 came out I started using it but I think now I only use it in a couple of my guns, one being my CVA Kentucky Rifle, the other my Zoli Zouave musket. I even have a couple of percussion guns here I use Goex FFG in and my .32 Squirrel rifle gets FFFG Goex. The black powder out there now isn't much harder to clean up than the substitutes and as long as everything else works, ignition is as good. I get better accuracy from the black powder from the same guns and I have enough to last me awhile and during the winter I think it's time to start making my own. By the way, those Kibler guns are really nice and I'm having a hard time deciding if I want to eat and stay warm more or get a Kibler. I figure I can always stand to lose a few pounds and I have long underwear and wool blankets.
Nowadays looking at powder feels like I'm being robbed. One bottle of pyrodex at my local shop, is 40 dollars. Last I looked online, it was only 21 bucks from natchez... one pack of the pellets, 60 dollars... I believe that's only about 30 on natchez... they dont even have real bp unfortunately. I would like to give business to a local shop, but with the markup they have its almost impossible to support them.
Only reason I can see to use a sub in a flintlock is if the user is having a really hard time finding real black powder (and doesn't want to just make it themselves for whatever reason) and needs to stretch out what little they can find by only using it in small amounts as a priming charge... In that case I'd just say get a caplock, they'll probly be happier using subs with that.
LMAO. I tried 777 in my flintlock and got exactly the same results. Had to use real blackpowder, 10 grains in the main and prime. Pain in my ass. Even my cap guns are more accurate with BP. I think the 1:66 riflings, reduced recoil and the residual in the barrel is softer contribute to better accuracy. I could be way off. I'm sure some substitute guy here will correct me
Over the last 40+ years of shooting cap and ball rifles, we have had times where Black Powder was not available. In fact here in Utah back in the 80's our regulations had to be changed to allow Black Powder substitutes to be used during hunting season. With Black Powder being hard to find, I choose to save my FFFF and FFF Black Powder and use Pyrodex when ever it was practical. When I hunted with my Flintlock, I would use 15 grains of FFFF Goex and top it off with 60 grains of Rifle/Pistol Pyrodex. FFFF was used to prime. This worked out very well and shot accurately. I have sense semi retired my Flintlock though so it isn't an issue these days.
Very nice, thank you. I don't have any flintlocks (yet), and used Pyrodex for several years when I first started out. Since I used it for cap and ball pistols it worked very well, and I have even used it in metallic cartridge rifles without a problem, although it doesn't perform as well as Swiss 1.5F. Because of this success I was surprised to see all the Real Black Powder guys claim Pyrodex was garbage, but this shows me why--they had problems with it in flintlocks, and never thought to take it any farther than that.
Im pretty much on the same page with you. I never use pyrodex in flint locks, but its all i use in cap locks and brass cartridges. I never had any problems with pyrodex in cap locks or cartridges. In fact, i prefer pyrodex in cap locks and brass cartridges. When i hunt i like to use stuff thats more reliable than flint locks. I think there are a lot of hunters with that mentality.
@@blueduck9409 I don't actually use Pyrodex at all any longer, not because it doesn't work well--it does, at least for my weapons--but Swiss BP gives me significantly better target scores, and has a higher muzzle velocity for better terminal ballistics.
@@davefellhoelter1343 Ive never had any difficulties in any of that with pyrodex. What i noticed with pyrodex is, i get more shots out of a rifle before the bore gets so dirty that reloading is hampered, and i get more shots out of a pound of pyridex than with traditional black, and its much cheaper and has been easier to find than traditional black powder. To be fair, pyrodex is not black powder. To expect it to be black powdet is folly. Ive been using pyrodex for many years now, and other than use in flintlocks, ive never had any problem with it.
@@davefellhoelter1343 The real stuff is definitely much better, especially if you work out a good recipe, but Pyrodex does still work fine if you're igniting it with a percussion cap or centerfire primer.
Not to mention that real black powder cleans up so much easier.. I do use pyrodex in my revolvers simply because I have it. But I don't buy it. And I'd rather shoot home made black than store bought substitute. If for no other reason than it's simply easier to shoot
Love this channel. I don't comment much . I know this video was not about triple seven but I just wanted to say that in my colt repros and my cap lock rifles I love triple seven.i shot a .50 cal last weekend 18 times with no cleaning between shots and when I got home bout 5 min. With warm tap water and it was clean. Never had a rust problem or loading problem and NEVER a misfire in colt repros or any caplock rifle. P.s. I only use fffg maybe that's why I been so lucky
In a previous video of yours, you mentioned the use of graphite to avoid humidity and static electricity and for its conservation, in what proportion it is used and how it is applied, ps. congratulations for your videos and greetings from Chile South America @Everything black power
I just bought some pyrodex . Running low on real black powder. Now I’m sorry I bought it now . Always heard it was better, cleaner etc…. Want to hunt with my flintlocks this year .
You are right about pyrodek, but nowadays I pick up a can anytime I see one in a store. I use it in my cap lock guns..and when the can is empty, I can reuse it for my homemade stuff.
I really appreciate your videos, and someday when I have time plan to make my own BP. It was really expensive for me to locate store bought BP in my pinko commie state (Washington) so as I take it, I can use my precious small amount of BP in the flash pan and main charge Pyrodex? Don't care if people make fun of me and I have to clean my gun anyways
I do know that my son got me the Thompson center Fire Storm Flint lock Cheating here brother. Its suppose to fire on pellets. You are correct Im just cheating on tech. I am a true Muzzle Stuffer but Ill take the razzing on this one gun Lol.
B's Thanks for the fine video. That's a lovely rifle you were firing. Back powder is hard to get commercialy where I live. Substituting Pyrodex for part of the main charge will help stretch what's available. I'm going to try this.
Your experience is the same as mine. 777 works the same. Since black powder is so hard to come by I will use the compound load from time to time. It helps me use up the substitutes and stretches the good stuff out! Great video and great info!
shooting for 22 years of flintlock i tried them all but always used 4 f in the pan i found the order of hardest to ignite pyrodex rs would hardly go off in my cap lock then pyro P then triple 7 2 f then triple 7 3f if you use a substitutes triple 7 is the way to go easier to clean and goes off at a lower temperature than pyrodex the triple 7 loading procedure for a flint gun in to put a little priming powder 5gr max down first hope this helps
You're supposed to be using 4f black powder in your Frizzen pan even with pyrodex, at least according to the people that I knew about four or five decades ago who used pyrodex. They were regularly using 4f black powder or flash powder as one product was called for the frizzen pan which is what you're supposed to use. I never played with black powder too much but I do understand how it functions and how piratex functions. But everybody that I knew that played with flintlocks even a little bit understood that the replacement powder was not to be used in the pan. It was created only as a replacement for the main charge.
Yes this is one of those deals were yes you can,but why would you. Or just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Substitutes can and do have its uses. I ended up purchasing me two more test subjects
I'm almost 70 years old. Started muzzle loading a little over 50 years ago. Pyrodex is the only substitute I ever used so can't comment about the newer stuff. I don't get to shoot or hunt much of anything anymore because of health issues. Here are some FYI'S for young shooters that maybe you know but bear repeating. Pyrodex is measured by volumetric equivalent to black powder. Theoretically if you weighed a charge trying to be scientifically precise you could get an over charge. Even in a percussion gun Pyrodex needs a high quality relatively hot cap. Don't waste your money on the cheap Italian ones. CCI and RWS were the best in my experience. Pyrodex is very hygroscopic which means that it draws moisture out of the air, so it's going to rust a bore faster than black powder. When hunting don't leave a charge in the rifle overnight to save money. Shoot it and swab it out with a little black powder solvent. If you're lucky enough to live in the country or on farm like I do you can shoot a fouling shot if you believe that improves accuracy before head to your hunting sight.You might let any neighbors within ear shot know why you're shooting when it's still dark. Don't reload until you get to your hunting sight. If you want to try Pyrodex in a flint lock, see if you can find some photographic flash powder. Mix a small amount with preferably 4F priming powder in your priming powder horn. You can try screening 3F if you don't have any 4F. You might be able to find flash powder at a theatrical or magicians supply or antique photography specialist. I'm sorry I can't remember what percentage of flash powder to mix with your regular priming powder, but it will greatly increase the speed and reliability of your priming charge. I think it also increases the temperature but I'm not positive about that. You'll all have to do some research. Happy hunting boys and girls.
@@Everythingblackpowder Following is the original formulation of pyrodex. Originally I believe it was it was used as a 'safer' BP substitute in mining but fell away ironically do to misfires, which made it unsafer as you could imagine with Techs refusing dud holes. Another piece of trivia is the inventor died in a pyrodex factory explosion in the late 70's. Pyrodex is chemically similar to BP, but made to be harder to light and burn slower in the open as you mentioned. 45 potassium nitrate 9 charcoal 6 sulfur 19 potassium perchlorate 11 sodium benzoate 6 dicyandiamide 4 dextrin The main departure from BP seems to be replacing a good portion of the kno3 with kclo4 as well as lowering the S content. This will make the mix harder to light and produce more gasses once it does get going. The lowered sulfur content is replaced with the sodium benzoate as a fuel.
This discussion came up recently on a FB group I am a membe of, and the duplex load of black powder, then a substitute with black powder in the pan was suggested. Well, if you can get black powder for the priming charge, and black powder for the duplex load, why wouldn't you just get black powder for everything and skip the substitute? Why go to all the trouble?
I have not shot a flintlock yet but I JUST ( today) bought a Traditions flintlock. On the barrel it says " black powder or Pyrodex only ". It did come with a separate measurer for Pyrodex but I have used Pyrodex in my revolvers and it gunk's up my action faster than regular Goex. I have used old 777 pellets in an inline ( 5 shots) but they didn't seem any better than Goex and I still had to swab the bore between shots. Interesting that the barrel itself says Pyrodex is a good substitute. Either way, I'll stick with real BP. Thank you for your videos, I have learned a lot.
I tried Pyrodex in 1976 when I was 16 in my .36 caliber TC Seneca… I got over that stuff in a few weeks. I had to drive 54 miles to a gun shop that sold Goex and it was darn sure worth the drive. Another excellent video brother.
The only reason I know of to use substitutes is if you aren't cool with making it and no one stocks it near you. Here where I live, none of the shops stock it, but I order 4 at a time online and get it shipped. I've also started tinkering with making mine, but don't have a press yet, so it's only so-so. At some point, I do intend to do some more and I just got a nearly limitless supply of alder!!!
I once couldn't find Black Powder, I got a can of Pyrodex I couldn't get it to light the main charge in two of my guns. It would light in my 62 musket. The hang fire was about a second and a half to 2 seconds
Loved the video. Im glad to see you do one on pyrodex. How about doing a video on pyrodex in cap locks? Then, maybe another one with pyrodex in brass cartridges?
The only reason to use black powder+substitute, would be if you have or can get BP substitutes easily, but have a very limited supply of real BP & it would be difficult to get more. This would allow you to get the most out of whatever BP you have available. Otherwise I agree, the loading procedure is just too cumbersome, which also makes it more prone to errors.
The black powder/pyrodex combo could come in handy for those of us who can't find black powder locally. It's expensive and inconvenient to buy real black powder online, because of the shipping and hazmat fees. Usually it only makes sense if you can buy it in bulk. If you're down to your last half pound of black powder and you haven't got the funds for a bulk order, being able to stretch it out with stuff you can easily find in a local store might be a real advantage. Talking of which, I wonder if simply mixing the two together would work? That would make the loading process a lot simpler.
I load 10 grains of 4F GOEX first then 60 grains substitute and GOEX in the pan. Yeah, I'm that guy!🤣 Love your channel! I'm going to try demineralized (nitric acid washed) activated charcoal, but you may have already found one of the best, Cotonelle, which is presumed to use a hydrogen peroxide bleach rather than chlorine dioxide, like most producers.
I live in Wisconsin and cannot find willow or alder blackthorn to make charcoal from. but hickory 'lump charcoal' is dang near everywhere... can I use store bought hickory lump charcoal to make blackpowder, and what kind of performance can I expect?
I tested 777 and Pyrodex a couple days ago and it was hard to get it to ignite. The rangemaster who is a bp competition guy mentioned grinding 3f to a fine powder and it will drop through the hole and ignite faster. I wonder if that would enable using substitutes more reliably.
Not really I have never used have witnessed a few, Flintlocks tend to be black powder only due to the lower flash point of black powder, Substitutes require more heat and spark to ignite them. So Percussion and In Lines are the best suited for them.
"Drop through the hole" - I'm assuming that you are referring to the touch hole. Filling the touch hole is, in essence, making a short fuse. Will it help the substitutes ignite? Maybe, but it will ALWAYS give a hang fire while the flame travels down the fuse. While a hang fire is guaranteed by doing this, it might be useful for eliminating the flash in the pan, so it would be worth experimenting with. And rather than grinding 3F finer, why not start with 4F or Null-B?
I use 2f Triple 7. The big thing is get a good touch hole. I like the one that is a Allen wrench. I use 4f in the pan. I don't have any problems at all.
I'm just going to say it. If you are going to shoot a flintlock, heading home without the stink of Real Black powder smoke all over your hands and cloths, well it's like going to the beach and never smelling the ocean. . . it's just wrong!
True, though if you can, try making a little of blackpowder of your own, it's pretty simple, even if your end product isn't maybe as nice as Swiss or anything, it'll still ignite better for flintlocks.
I'm not sure why, but stores don't sell real black powder where I live. I had to order it on line, and I the minimum order was 4 pounds, and then you have to pay hazardous materials fee, so it ended up costing me almost $200 to get my hands on some black powder. I decided to learn how to make my own. It may not be as good as factory stuff, but it's better then the substitutes you can get from the store.
Truth never sucks. I have had way to much experience with pyrodex to want anything to do with that nasty crap, my opinion. Black Powder is corrosive and it takes work to clean but it is easier than pyrodex, and I think it somehow erodes the bore again my opinion! Thanks for the video!
I don’t know if I’m just lucky or what! I have a really really old repro flintlock pistol from Spain. My favorite was Black MZ. It kind of looked like FFG. I ended up using a stone bowl and a 6” stone rod with both ends grounded round. I ground the powder to the consistency of baby powder for the pan. It worked surprisingly well. Once in a while it would give me a surprise hang fire. I’m thinking the flash hole was slightly oversized as every shot there was a burst of flames shooting out the flash hole when the main charge went off. Thanks for the fun and interesting videos!!!!
Back in the mid 1960's and early 1970's I began with DuPont gunpowder that was old barn find then. Only had a few cans and I did not know how lucky or privilaged I was. When it was gone, there was Goex and there was definitely a difference in ignition time and clean-up effort. Then there was Elephant, one lot not so much as the last and dirty. Swill and Shuetzen both more like the old DuPont. Pyrodex? I tried it with flint and cap; YUK. Smells wrong and bad, very corrosive, and hard to clean. Pyrodex not to my liking even in cartridge loads, First or second can is probably still around here somewhere, I dunno, nor do I care.
Well I use triple 7 in my flintlock and prime with black. However it does help if you're flintlock has a powder mag incorporate in the breach plug. A Mortimer pedersoli has this or a PA pellet ultra light tradition's. A simple side lock won't work as well with a substitute . I use triple 7 because it is easy to obtain. I only have one place to by black at 60.00 bucks Canadian. If you're shooting a lot it adds up quick. I get more shots out of a lb of triple 7 because it's more powerful. 78 gr is the same as 100 gr of black and that's still a hot load. LoL . Black powder is a true explosive because of it very low ignition point. The flintlock is best with black powder it was made for it. Even though flintlock rifle and shotgun's require no license to buy in Canada only a driver license they never took off. With the country wide confiscation the government wants to do here in Canada it might be the only thing left if we are lucky to subsitant hunt with. That is what I use my flintlock for.
Pyrodex lights well with a cannon fuse in my golf ball cannon. I've used American Pioneer powder in 28 gauge 2 1/2" brass shotgun shells. My flintlocks get black powder.
Went up to help set up on the 9th at the Rendezvous. Ended up at the Rendezvous on Sunday. Missed it by a day. Don't know why I thought the shoot was on Sunday. thought that would be my church, I guess. Wasn't meant to be. Heard you Guys won the stake shoot, Again. Good Shooting Guys! Congrats on the WIN! Christ bless all of You Fellas! Hawk.
This is a neat presentation! Black powder is hard to get where I live so I process FF powder through a glass and ceramic grinder (made for kitchen application, no spark potential) into an extremely fine dust for the pan and tap my flintlock pistol sideways to fill the touch hole. It works very reliably but I'd love to get my hands on real black powder to see the difference. I also slightly abrade my frizzen to create more sparks and insert the flint upside down for a more aggressive angle. This wears down the flint a bit faster but achieves instant ignition. Anybody else do this?
I know this is an old video, I've watched it several times, I just got my first flintlock, I've only had caplock until now, watching this again Gave me a thought, I've always used triple 7 because black powder is very rare, only store that has it is an hour away, I'm curious about stretching out your black powder by potentially doing a 50/50 mix in a flask with black powder and substitute of choice
Hey, a hits a hit The only way I would consider mixing pyrodex with real black powder is if black powder was extremely hard to get and if I, for some reason, couldn't make it. Rationing is the only real reason to use a mixed powder load imo
I have used pyrodex in my flintlocks for years with pretty good results but I use black powder as a primer. I have never used black powder with the pyrodex. Reason black powder is more expensive and time consuming to make.
I use Pyrodex and it works all the time. You only gotta mix it with 50% black powder, a few drops of Liquid Nitrogen, hold your rifle 15° past a full moon while standing on one foot on a Thursday, and it’ll shoot every time.
Well you may laugh, but it can be amazing how fast a project can take a hard left turn. Bigger than a .45 colt plans has an old and familiar platform to me. I've acquired colt chambering in .45 colt 10" barrel. And it's a contender iffin you know what I mean. I have had this platform in the past with 14" barrels of .35 Remington, .375 JDJ, and dare say it 45-70. One of the spur of the moment let goes, that wished never did. Oh I don't know how but I got it for less than the cost of a conversion.
I recall watching a video in which a guy made nitrocellulose out of cotton balls. I know you can't use that as a propellant, but maybe you could twist up some nitrated cotton into a thread that could be inserted into the touch hole of a flintlock, and it might work for ignition of pyrodex in a flintlock.
Love how you used muzzle blasts to bleep yourself. That’s quality videography! LOL
Purely coincidence
That was a Bitchen shot, at 220 yards, with that delay!
Notice your anticipated reaction to the flash and then boom....hardly any flinch.
I do admit, you got a steady hold, and one of the best shots I've ever seen, with a delayed Pyrodex charge.
I can't remember what my reasoning was, but I dumped about a half a powder horn worth of black powder into my shop garbage can (home depot bucket) and kinda forgot about it until I was using an angle grinder on some metal and some sparks found it. I was very confused for a second about what just happened and why my shop was instantly full of smoke
I just like the smell of black powder. Thanks for the video.
I love it when you say how you can't get real blackpowder locally and all the online stores are out and someone says,"Just use Pyrodex with a little real blackpowder first." Did they not read that I said I couldn't find any real blackpowder? If there's no real blackpowder to be had, how am I going to load blackpowder and then Pyrodex?:)
Been a very occasional blackpowder shooter for thirty years. I have a CVA .50 cal percussion rifle that i like a lot. I am nearing retirement age and getting back into black powder and have ordered a Kibler Woodsrunner rifle kit in .54 cal and have learned so much more than the little i now realized i knew about black powder thanks to you and your efforts. I find your channel full of great information, explained thoroughly and quite entertaining as well. Other than being jealous of the cool places you have to shoot, i'm a city dweller, I think your content is supurb. Thanks for all the time and effort you do to make such great content for us less experiences black powder shooters. Very good stuff indeed!
Thank you very much!
I bought my first flintlock in July, the only powder in my immediate area was pyrodex and I thought I was just going to have to deal with misfires for a while. That is until I got ahold of some Schuetzen. My god what a difference it makes. It’s like I just figured out there’s more than one gear on a car.
It’s a game changer
I'm fairly new to Blackpowder shooting, having shot Percussion-lock and Cap and ball. I just guessed Pyrodex was a "good enough" substitute as that's really the only thing people carry in town. This helped greatly, so, thank you!
That last shot was fabolous (or however this word id being written)
To stay at Your target for so long, while standing without any support...
Man, You are trained well !
Thank you. I practice a lot
That's why I say,
"Hey man, nice shot"
"A good shot, man"
I remember hunting with my Traditions Deerhunter .50 CAL percussion rifle 30 years ago, I loaded it with Pyrodex powder first day of hunting in November. I went out every weekend and few days during week, good weather, damp weather and in snow flurry weather, my son did same with his same brand type rifle but he loaded with black powder......
We seen does but at end of season we didn't see any good shot on bucks, so at end of season near end of day, we decided to unload. I shot first at a tree and all my rifle did was click click click,,,,,,,,,, then my son shot at same tree with his rifle and he went BANG, from that day on I'll never trust Pyrodex on deer hunting. We had to take my cone off and put a little black powder in the hole to get the Pyrodex to fire. I now only use Pyrodex in cap&ball revolvers for target shooting..........
Great demo, I don't have a flinty and wondered how that would work.
I remember when I first started with black powder I had a cheap flintlock I bought online and went to my sporting store to get some powder. The man helping me at the store was very confident I could use pyrodex 2f in the barrel and the pan. I trusted him and very quickly learned that the guy had definitely never shot a flintlock in his life.
When I was much younger I couldn't get real black for my flintlock. I used Pyrodex for main charge and pan. What I did was crush the Pyrodex between to spoons to get it fine enough for the pan. Still wasn't as fast lock time as real black but it usually fired
Love that "usually".
I've learned something today - thank you!
Happy to help
In my experience pyrodex is harder to clean up, more corrosive, and only slightly cheaper than the real stuff, so why bother with it unless it’s the only powder you can get.
When I was getting started, everything I read and everything people said was something along the lines of "substitutes are generally safer to handle"
So it made the most sense for a newbie getting started.
But Now that ik how to handle a muzzelloader, pyrodex and 777 is all I can really find, I've never gotten the chance to use real bp yet.
This is "Why" I make my own. not hard. I have a hard time making really Fast BP but basically any of mine is better for me than Pyrodex.
Think I have it down now.
I concur I only use the Holy Black as it works perfectly.
Exactly that. I have not been able to buy BP on a shelf in 10 years. Pyrodex on the other hand was everywhere till ammopocalypse. The whole reason I watch this chanel. Tired of relying on supply coming from anywhere but myself.
@@coldandaloof7166 I agree, I mail order it and keep a lot around, but I can make my own just have to use willow for charcoal
I did have to do the 5 grains of real back under the main charge of substitute last year when powder is fairly hard to get. It does work if you really need to stretch out a pound of powder, but it's never preferred.
Hey everything black powder how about a video about burning Pyrodex versus Burning real black powder on a polished steel surface and see which one makes the most rust and corrosion.
When I was using a lot of Pyrodex, I often had percussion caps fail to ignite the charge in my revolver. Since I switched to BP, those problems are virtually non-existent.
Advertising slogan: “Pyrodex… it’ll teach you not to flinch!”
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When I first shot a muzzleloader at 11 years old, it was my Grandfather's CVA Kentucky Rifle percussion .45 back in 1986 and he was using Pyrodex. When I first got into black powder shooting, that was the gun I used and for a while, I used Pyrodex, but never really cared for it. Eventually once Triple 7 came out I started using it but I think now I only use it in a couple of my guns, one being my CVA Kentucky Rifle, the other my Zoli Zouave musket. I even have a couple of percussion guns here I use Goex FFG in and my .32 Squirrel rifle gets FFFG Goex. The black powder out there now isn't much harder to clean up than the substitutes and as long as everything else works, ignition is as good. I get better accuracy from the black powder from the same guns and I have enough to last me awhile and during the winter I think it's time to start making my own. By the way, those Kibler guns are really nice and I'm having a hard time deciding if I want to eat and stay warm more or get a Kibler. I figure I can always stand to lose a few pounds and I have long underwear and wool blankets.
get the Kibler. Worry about food and warmth later. LOL
I hunt squirrel also with a .32 caplock, gonna get a Kibler flinter .32 one of these days.
Hello from one of your subscribers, a fellow Native and 18th Century geek.
Nowadays looking at powder feels like I'm being robbed.
One bottle of pyrodex at my local shop, is 40 dollars. Last I looked online, it was only 21 bucks from natchez...
one pack of the pellets, 60 dollars... I believe that's only about 30 on natchez... they dont even have real bp unfortunately. I would like to give business to a local shop, but with the markup they have its almost impossible to support them.
I remember when a can of pyrodex cost less than $10. Imagine how that makes me feel. .... OLD!
A big part of it is the shipping rates now, but agree its ridiculous. I have not been able to get #10 perc caps for a long time.
Not to mention natchez is a phishing scam.
Only reason I can see to use a sub in a flintlock is if the user is having a really hard time finding real black powder (and doesn't want to just make it themselves for whatever reason) and needs to stretch out what little they can find by only using it in small amounts as a priming charge... In that case I'd just say get a caplock, they'll probly be happier using subs with that.
Great shot! And thanks for stating all the differences appreciate that. Stay vigilant
I wonder if firecracker (flash) powder would work for priming? It's certainly easier to buy hundreds of firecrackers than a pound of black powder.
LMAO. I tried 777 in my flintlock and got exactly the same results. Had to use real blackpowder, 10 grains in the main and prime. Pain in my ass. Even my cap guns are more accurate with BP. I think the 1:66 riflings, reduced recoil and the residual in the barrel is softer contribute to better accuracy. I could be way off. I'm sure some substitute guy here will correct me
Over the last 40+ years of shooting cap and ball rifles, we have had times where Black Powder was not available.
In fact here in Utah back in the 80's our regulations had to be changed to allow Black Powder substitutes to be used during hunting season.
With Black Powder being hard to find, I choose to save my FFFF and FFF Black Powder and use Pyrodex when ever it was practical.
When I hunted with my Flintlock, I would use 15 grains of FFFF Goex and top it off with 60 grains of Rifle/Pistol Pyrodex.
FFFF was used to prime. This worked out very well and shot accurately. I have sense semi retired my Flintlock though so it isn't an issue these days.
Very nice, thank you. I don't have any flintlocks (yet), and used Pyrodex for several years when I first started out. Since I used it for cap and ball pistols it worked very well, and I have even used it in metallic cartridge rifles without a problem, although it doesn't perform as well as Swiss 1.5F. Because of this success I was surprised to see all the Real Black Powder guys claim Pyrodex was garbage, but this shows me why--they had problems with it in flintlocks, and never thought to take it any farther than that.
Im pretty much on the same page with you. I never use pyrodex in flint locks, but its all i use in cap locks and brass cartridges. I never had any problems with pyrodex in cap locks or cartridges. In fact, i prefer pyrodex in cap locks and brass cartridges. When i hunt i like to use stuff thats more reliable than flint locks. I think there are a lot of hunters with that mentality.
@@blueduck9409 I don't actually use Pyrodex at all any longer, not because it doesn't work well--it does, at least for my weapons--but Swiss BP gives me significantly better target scores, and has a higher muzzle velocity for better terminal ballistics.
Hmm? maybe You Think pyrodex worked "very well", as "Did I"? then I made my own BP! WOW what a difference, mostly in reliability, speed with cleaning.
@@davefellhoelter1343 Ive never had any difficulties in any of that with pyrodex. What i noticed with pyrodex is, i get more shots out of a rifle before the bore gets so dirty that reloading is hampered, and i get more shots out of a pound of pyridex than with traditional black, and its much cheaper and has been easier to find than traditional black powder. To be fair, pyrodex is not black powder. To expect it to be black powdet is folly. Ive been using pyrodex for many years now, and other than use in flintlocks, ive never had any problem with it.
@@davefellhoelter1343 The real stuff is definitely much better, especially if you work out a good recipe, but Pyrodex does still work fine if you're igniting it with a percussion cap or centerfire primer.
With Triple Seven my hangfire was measured in weeks. Works great in my caplocks but useless in my flintlock rifle and pistol.
Easy to clean up though.
Not to mention that real black powder cleans up so much easier..
I do use pyrodex in my revolvers simply because I have it. But I don't buy it. And I'd rather shoot home made black than store bought substitute. If for no other reason than it's simply easier to shoot
Love this channel. I don't comment much . I know this video was not about triple seven but I just wanted to say that in my colt repros and my cap lock rifles I love triple seven.i shot a .50 cal last weekend 18 times with no cleaning between shots and when I got home bout 5 min. With warm tap water and it was clean. Never had a rust problem or loading problem and NEVER a misfire in colt repros or any caplock rifle. P.s. I only use fffg maybe that's why I been so lucky
In a previous video of yours, you mentioned the use of graphite to avoid humidity and static electricity and for its conservation, in what proportion it is used and how it is applied, ps. congratulations for your videos and greetings from Chile South America
@Everything black power
The makers of black coat it with graphite. If your the maker after graining it you tumble with a very small amount.
Loving your presentations Please keep them coming- Doris
Thank you
I just bought some pyrodex . Running low on real black powder. Now I’m sorry I bought it now . Always heard it was better, cleaner etc…. Want to hunt with my flintlocks this year .
I'm Forced to use substitute powders. In my area. That's all there is! No one sells black power.
You should make your own
Pyrodex ignites at 600 degrees vs 300 degrees for the holy black. That's the main difference.
I am a member of the church of the holy black🖤 💥
You are right about pyrodek, but nowadays I pick up a can anytime I see one in a store. I use it in my cap lock guns..and when the can is empty, I can reuse it for my homemade stuff.
Good idea
I really appreciate your videos, and someday when I have time plan to make my own BP. It was really expensive for me to locate store bought BP in my pinko commie state (Washington) so as I take it, I can use my precious small amount of BP in the flash pan and main charge Pyrodex? Don't care if people make fun of me and I have to clean my gun anyways
I suspect that a substitute powder charge and black powder priming would work just fine but unless the substitute is significantly cheaper why bother?
I do know that my son got me the Thompson center Fire Storm Flint lock Cheating here brother. Its suppose to fire on pellets. You are correct Im just cheating on tech. I am a true Muzzle Stuffer but Ill take the razzing on this one gun Lol.
I used to prime the pan with black powder, and charge it with pyrodex. It generally works fine.
I don’t bother with pyrodex or any other substitute. I do know that if you have a percussion lock pyrodex will work fine
Nice shot.
It was pure luck but I’ll take it just the same.
B's
Thanks for the fine video. That's a lovely rifle you were firing. Back powder is hard to get commercialy where I live. Substituting Pyrodex for part of the main charge will help stretch what's available. I'm going to try this.
Your experience is the same as mine. 777 works the same. Since black powder is so hard to come by I will use the compound load from time to time. It helps me use up the substitutes and stretches the good stuff out! Great video and great info!
shooting for 22 years of flintlock i tried them all but always used 4 f in the pan i found the order of hardest to ignite pyrodex rs would hardly go off in my cap lock then pyro P then triple 7 2 f then triple 7 3f if you use a substitutes triple 7 is the way to go easier to clean and goes off at a lower temperature than pyrodex the triple 7 loading procedure for a flint gun in to put a little priming powder 5gr max down first hope this helps
You're supposed to be using 4f black powder in your Frizzen pan even with pyrodex, at least according to the people that I knew about four or five decades ago who used pyrodex. They were regularly using 4f black powder or flash powder as one product was called for the frizzen pan which is what you're supposed to use.
I never played with black powder too much but I do understand how it functions and how piratex functions. But everybody that I knew that played with flintlocks even a little bit understood that the replacement powder was not to be used in the pan. It was created only as a replacement for the main charge.
Right, So for pyrodex to work properly you need real black powder…
I was once given a can of that crap. didn't work in my flintlock, so I used it to try and start a fire in my fire pit... I still had to use some gas.
Yes this is one of those deals were yes you can,but why would you. Or just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Substitutes can and do have its uses.
I ended up purchasing me two more test subjects
I'm almost 70 years old. Started muzzle loading a little over 50 years ago. Pyrodex is the only substitute I ever used so can't comment about the newer stuff. I don't get to shoot or hunt much of anything anymore because of health issues.
Here are some FYI'S for young shooters that maybe you know but bear repeating. Pyrodex is measured by volumetric equivalent to black powder. Theoretically if you weighed a charge trying to be scientifically precise you could get an over charge. Even in a percussion gun Pyrodex needs a high quality relatively hot cap. Don't waste your money on the cheap Italian ones. CCI and RWS were the best in my experience. Pyrodex is very hygroscopic which means that it draws moisture out of the air, so it's going to rust a bore faster than black powder. When hunting don't leave a charge in the rifle overnight to save money. Shoot it and swab it out with a little black powder solvent. If you're lucky enough to live in the country or on farm like I do you can shoot a fouling shot if you believe that improves accuracy before head to your hunting sight.You might let any neighbors within ear shot know why you're shooting when it's still dark. Don't reload until you get to your hunting sight.
If you want to try Pyrodex in a flint lock, see if you can find some photographic flash powder. Mix a small amount with preferably 4F priming powder in your priming powder horn. You can try screening 3F if you don't have any 4F. You might be able to find flash powder at a theatrical or magicians supply or antique photography specialist. I'm sorry I can't remember what percentage of flash powder to mix with your regular priming powder, but it will greatly increase the speed and reliability of your priming charge. I think it also increases the temperature but I'm not positive about that. You'll all have to do some research. Happy hunting boys and girls.
Pyrodex, is potassium nitrate and sugar?
Here in Brazil you can find PB, but never pyrodex.
I suspect it’s a sodium nitrate product
@@Everythingblackpowder Following is the original formulation of pyrodex. Originally I believe it was it was used as a 'safer' BP substitute in mining but fell away ironically do to misfires, which made it unsafer as you could imagine with Techs refusing dud holes. Another piece of trivia is the inventor died in a pyrodex factory explosion in the late 70's. Pyrodex is chemically similar to BP, but made to be harder to light and burn slower in the open as you mentioned.
45 potassium nitrate
9 charcoal
6 sulfur
19 potassium perchlorate
11 sodium benzoate
6 dicyandiamide
4 dextrin
The main departure from BP seems to be replacing a good portion of the kno3 with kclo4 as well as lowering the S content. This will make the mix harder to light and produce more gasses once it does get going. The lowered sulfur content is replaced with the sodium benzoate as a fuel.
This discussion came up recently on a FB group I am a membe of, and the duplex load of black powder, then a substitute with black powder in the pan was suggested. Well, if you can get black powder for the priming charge, and black powder for the duplex load, why wouldn't you just get black powder for everything and skip the substitute? Why go to all the trouble?
I agree 100%
I have not shot a flintlock yet but I JUST ( today) bought a Traditions flintlock. On the barrel it says " black powder or Pyrodex only ". It did come with a separate measurer for Pyrodex but I have used Pyrodex in my revolvers and it gunk's up my action faster than regular Goex. I have used old 777 pellets in an inline ( 5 shots) but they didn't seem any better than Goex and I still had to swab the bore between shots. Interesting that the barrel itself says Pyrodex is a good substitute. Either way, I'll stick with real BP. Thank you for your videos, I have learned a lot.
I tried Pyrodex in 1976 when I was 16 in my .36 caliber TC Seneca… I got over that stuff in a few weeks. I had to drive 54 miles to a gun shop that sold Goex and it was darn sure worth the drive. Another excellent video brother.
Thank you
The only reason I know of to use substitutes is if you aren't cool with making it and no one stocks it near you. Here where I live, none of the shops stock it, but I order 4 at a time online and get it shipped. I've also started tinkering with making mine, but don't have a press yet, so it's only so-so. At some point, I do intend to do some more and I just got a nearly limitless supply of alder!!!
I once couldn't find Black Powder, I got a can of Pyrodex I couldn't get it to light the main charge in two of my guns. It would light in my 62 musket. The hang fire was about a second and a half to 2 seconds
Loved the video. Im glad to see you do one on pyrodex. How about doing a video on pyrodex in cap locks? Then, maybe another one with pyrodex in brass cartridges?
Pyrodex sucks!!! period! Thanks anyway!
Unfortunately where i live only substitutes are available.
The best use for pyrodex that i have personally found is in black powder type shotshells with 209 primer ignition.
The only reason to use black powder+substitute, would be if you have or can get BP substitutes easily, but have a very limited supply of real BP & it would be difficult to get more.
This would allow you to get the most out of whatever BP you have available.
Otherwise I agree, the loading procedure is just too cumbersome, which also makes it more prone to errors.
The black powder/pyrodex combo could come in handy for those of us who can't find black powder locally.
It's expensive and inconvenient to buy real black powder online, because of the shipping and hazmat fees. Usually it only makes sense if you can buy it in bulk.
If you're down to your last half pound of black powder and you haven't got the funds for a bulk order, being able to stretch it out with stuff you can easily find in a local store might be a real advantage.
Talking of which, I wonder if simply mixing the two together would work?
That would make the loading process a lot simpler.
Mixing them might work enough to make the hang fire tolerable.
I load 10 grains of 4F GOEX first then 60 grains substitute and GOEX in the pan.
Yeah, I'm that guy!🤣
Love your channel! I'm going to try demineralized (nitric acid washed) activated charcoal, but you may have already found one of the best, Cotonelle, which is presumed to use a hydrogen peroxide bleach rather than chlorine dioxide, like most producers.
I live in Wisconsin and cannot find willow or alder blackthorn to make charcoal from. but hickory 'lump charcoal' is dang near everywhere...
can I use store bought hickory lump charcoal to make blackpowder, and what kind of performance can I expect?
Yes but it won’t perform very well
Get the lightest wood you can, fast grown poplar would be best or a really light pine or spruce for charcoal. Lowest density woods always work better.
Pyrodex use in a flintlock is just asking for no venison being served at the supper table.
Agree totally.
I tested 777 and Pyrodex a couple days ago and it was hard to get it to ignite. The rangemaster who is a bp competition guy mentioned grinding 3f to a fine powder and it will drop through the hole and ignite faster. I wonder if that would enable using substitutes more reliably.
Not really I have never used have witnessed a few, Flintlocks tend to be black powder only due to the lower flash point of black powder, Substitutes require more heat and spark to ignite them. So Percussion and In Lines are the best suited for them.
"Drop through the hole" - I'm assuming that you are referring to the touch hole. Filling the touch hole is, in essence, making a short fuse. Will it help the substitutes ignite? Maybe, but it will ALWAYS give a hang fire while the flame travels down the fuse. While a hang fire is guaranteed by doing this, it might be useful for eliminating the flash in the pan, so it would be worth experimenting with. And rather than grinding 3F finer, why not start with 4F or Null-B?
I've seen substitutes fail in sidelock percussion guns, now imagine how well they would work in flint locks of lesser quality than a Kibler.
I use 2f Triple 7. The big thing is get a good touch hole. I like the one that is a Allen wrench. I use 4f in the pan. I don't have any problems at all.
Wow I thought I was doing my Flintlock wrong! So I need to get some real BP!!
The reason you do this is if you’re short on blackpowder and long on replica. Or something similar.
Always liked Black Powder. I Think you are inspiring me to go black and not come back. What flintlock would you suggest? Thanks
Pedersoli makes good guns but if you want something really nice I would go with a Kibler. I can’t recommend them enough
I'm just going to say it.
If you are going to shoot a flintlock, heading home without the stink of Real Black powder smoke all over your hands and cloths, well it's like going to the beach and never smelling the ocean. . . it's just wrong!
Well said.
its always better to be lucky than good. lol
I prefer both
I use the substitutes because it’s what I can get. I prefer the real stuff but a fellers gotta do what a fellers gotta do I reckon.
Yep
True, though if you can, try making a little of blackpowder of your own, it's pretty simple, even if your end product isn't maybe as nice as Swiss or anything, it'll still ignite better for flintlocks.
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine I’ve definitely been considering that.
I'm not sure why, but stores don't sell real black powder where I live. I had to order it on line, and I the minimum order was 4 pounds, and then you have to pay hazardous materials fee, so it ended up costing me almost $200 to get my hands on some black powder. I decided to learn how to make my own. It may not be as good as factory stuff, but it's better then the substitutes you can get from the store.
Good idea.
How well would it work if you made the entire main charge (skip the 10gr of BP) out of substitute and used BP for the primer?
I tried that. It was better but not great
Truth never sucks. I have had way to much experience with pyrodex to want anything to do with that nasty crap, my opinion. Black Powder is corrosive and it takes work to clean but it is easier than pyrodex, and I think it somehow erodes the bore again my opinion! Thanks for the video!
I don’t know if I’m just lucky or what! I have a really really old repro flintlock pistol from Spain. My favorite was Black MZ. It kind of looked like FFG. I ended up using a stone bowl and a 6” stone rod with both ends grounded round. I ground the powder to the consistency of baby powder for the pan. It worked surprisingly well. Once in a while it would give me a surprise hang fire. I’m thinking the flash hole was slightly oversized as every shot there was a burst of flames shooting out the flash hole when the main charge went off. Thanks for the fun and interesting videos!!!!
Glad to hear it
What muzzleloader powders burn more clean & burn more consistant / accurate
Swiss
Great video
Thank you
That terrain at 2:30 is beautiful, what state do you live in man if you dont mind me asking
I love a bit of PYRODEX Rs in my percussion shotgun , hard word with a flint lock
So, Pyrodex: no longed truly a black powder "substitute", but OK as a black powder "extender" for flintlocks.
Back in the mid 1960's and early 1970's I began with DuPont gunpowder that was old barn find then. Only had a few cans and I did not know how lucky or privilaged I was. When it was gone, there was Goex and there was definitely a difference in ignition time and clean-up effort. Then there was Elephant, one lot not so much as the last and dirty. Swill and Shuetzen both more like the old DuPont. Pyrodex? I tried it with flint and cap; YUK. Smells wrong and bad, very corrosive, and hard to clean. Pyrodex not to my liking even in cartridge loads, First or second can is probably still around here somewhere, I dunno, nor do I care.
Soooo, one would use the Pyrodex to train someone with a bad flinch to hold on target.
lol I suppose so
Well I use triple 7 in my flintlock and prime with black. However it does help if you're flintlock has a powder mag incorporate in the breach plug. A Mortimer pedersoli has this or a PA pellet ultra light tradition's. A simple side lock won't work as well with a substitute . I use triple 7 because it is easy to obtain. I only have one place to by black at 60.00 bucks Canadian. If you're shooting a lot it adds up quick. I get more shots out of a lb of triple 7 because it's more powerful. 78 gr is the same as 100 gr of black and that's still a hot load. LoL . Black powder is a true explosive because of it very low ignition point. The flintlock is best with black powder it was made for it. Even though flintlock rifle and shotgun's require no license to buy in Canada only a driver license they never took off. With the country wide confiscation the government wants to do here in Canada it might be the only thing left if we are lucky to subsitant hunt with. That is what I use my flintlock for.
Pyrodex lights well with a cannon fuse in my golf ball cannon. I've used American Pioneer powder in 28 gauge 2 1/2" brass shotgun shells. My flintlocks get black powder.
Went up to help set up on the 9th at the Rendezvous. Ended up at the Rendezvous on Sunday. Missed it by a day.
Don't know why I thought the shoot was on Sunday. thought that would be my church, I guess. Wasn't meant to be.
Heard you Guys won the stake shoot, Again. Good Shooting Guys! Congrats on the WIN!
Christ bless all of You Fellas!
Hawk.
This is a neat presentation! Black powder is hard to get where I live so I process FF powder through a glass and ceramic grinder (made for kitchen application, no spark potential) into an extremely fine dust for the pan and tap my flintlock pistol sideways to fill the touch hole. It works very reliably but I'd love to get my hands on real black powder to see the difference. I also slightly abrade my frizzen to create more sparks and insert the flint upside down for a more aggressive angle. This wears down the flint a bit faster but achieves instant ignition. Anybody else do this?
any experience with a pyrodex only charge and black powder as the primer in the pan?
Yes I tried that but it still isn’t great
I know this is an old video, I've watched it several times, I just got my first flintlock, I've only had caplock until now, watching this again Gave me a thought, I've always used triple 7 because black powder is very rare, only store that has it is an hour away, I'm curious about stretching out your black powder by potentially doing a 50/50 mix in a flask with black powder and substitute of choice
It’s possible. I haven’t tried that
@WillardMcBain I might try it in a small batch but sadly I don't get to shoot much
Can I use Pyrodex for reloading 30-30 win?
Yes
Hey, a hits a hit
The only way I would consider mixing pyrodex with real black powder is if black powder was extremely hard to get and if I, for some reason, couldn't make it. Rationing is the only real reason to use a mixed powder load imo
I have used pyrodex in my flintlocks for years with pretty good results but I use black powder as a primer. I have never used black powder with the pyrodex. Reason black powder is more expensive and time consuming to make.
I use Pyrodex and it works all the time.
You only gotta mix it with 50% black powder, a few drops of Liquid Nitrogen, hold your rifle 15° past a full moon while standing on one foot on a Thursday, and it’ll shoot every time.
Well you may laugh, but it can be amazing how fast a project can take a hard left turn. Bigger than a .45 colt plans has an old and familiar platform to me. I've acquired colt chambering in .45 colt 10" barrel. And it's a contender iffin you know what I mean. I have had this platform in the past with 14" barrels of .35 Remington, .375 JDJ, and dare say it 45-70. One of the spur of the moment let goes, that wished never did. Oh I don't know how but I got it for less than the cost of a conversion.
I recall watching a video in which a guy made nitrocellulose out of cotton balls. I know you can't use that as a propellant, but maybe you could twist up some nitrated cotton into a thread that could be inserted into the touch hole of a flintlock, and it might work for ignition of pyrodex in a flintlock.
I appreciate all your videos I'm a newbie and about to buy something soon you sure save me a lot of time