துஷ்யந்த் மிகவும் சிறந்த ஆன்மீக பேச்சாளர். அவரது இந்த விளக்கம் தெளிவை ஏற்படுத்தவில்லை. அவரது இந்த முயற்சி தேவையில்லையோ என்று தோன்றுகிறது. மேலும் இவர் தனது ஆச்சார்யர்களை கலந்து முயற்சி எடுத்திருக்கலாம்.
Pande’s frequent interventions has not allowed Sridhar to present his point of view.Sridhar’s effort is to create a historical context to Ramayanam as well ,in the modern context.
1) ஸ்ரீ துஷ்யந்தை விமர்சிப்பவர்கள் பலர் ஸ்வாமி வேதாந்த தேசிகரை கூட ஏற்றுக்கொள்ளவில்லை, அதனால் அந்த ஸ்வாமி சிந்தனையில் தெளிவு இல்லை என்றோ அல்லது அந்த ஸ்வாமி தெளிவு படுத்தவில்லை என்றோ சொல்ல முடியுமா? ஸ்ரீ துஷ்யந்தை விமர்சனம் செய்பவர்கள் பலர் ஸ்ரீ ராமர் பக்தி செய்த ஸ்ரீ தியாகராஜர் இழிவு படுத்த போது எங்கே போனார்கள் என்ற கேள்வி எழுகிறது அல்லவா? அவர்கள் தான் ராமாயணம் பற்றி இப்போது பேசுகிறார்கள் என்று சொல்லாமா அல்லது கூடாதா🙏
@@kumarkumar-ij4vz குமார் சார், திக, திமுகவில் அனைவரையும் ஊம்பி ஊம்பி உதடுவலிக்கும் உங்களின் தியாகம், நீங்கள் மற்றவர்கள் மேல் வெறுப்பு இல்லாமல் அன்போடு ஊம்ப வருகிறீர்கள்.ஆனால், இந்த சங்கிகளுக்கு புரிவதில்லை.. ஊம்பல் திலகம் குமார் குமார் ஊம்புக! ஊம்புக!
ஸ்ரீ ராமபிரானை மட்டுமே நம்பும் மானுடனாய் இருந்து விட்டு போகிறேன்.....i don't need any date and year.....தேவையில்லாத வேலை என்பது அடியேனின் அபிப்ராயம்.....
@@kamalaswamiswaminathan341really? If you need to convince your own people about your own religion and culture..then better off stay away than ‘blindly’ believing.
You may not require. It's for some people who are still terming history as myth. Let there be multiple theories, having different opinions. When there were questions like "was Rama an engineer?", nothing wrong with having different opinions and findings.
துஷ்யந்த் ஸ்ரீதர் அவர்கள் தனது ராமாயண புத்தகத்தை வெளியிடுவதற்கு முன்பு அதை வைணவப்பெரியோர்களிடம் காட்டி அவர்களின் சம்மதம் பெற்றிருக்க வேண்டும் சில தவறுகள் இருக்கும் பட்சத்தில் திருத்தம் செய்திருக்கலாம் என நினைக்கிறேன்
It's totally understandable that dear brother Dushyanth wants to convince today's generation about the authenticity of Ramayana. Nevertheless, rather than convincing them on ithihasas, it's better to speak to them the beautiful science of Sanatana Dharma like atma tattva, prakrti and purusha and so on. Ithihasas are for staunch devotees, not for newbies. Yet again another great interview of Pandey ji, being so parliamentary and respectful without commiting any vaishnava aparadh.❤
"Ithihasas are for staunch devotees"nah. Ithihasas and puranas can be neither called "history" nor "myth" because they have both real events and allegorical stories which represent laws of nature, nature and vedic metaphysics. The word myth aptly fits fantasy stories propagated as history by Abrahamic religions which cannot be logically validated There is an allegorical story in Mahabharatha which explains space time dilation (copied later by Einstein) . eg King Kakudmi visiting Brahmalokha with his daughter Revathi and staying their for just 20 min. When he returned he could not find any of his family and relatives, the sons and grandsons-and there was NO record of the family tree. An example of Maya of time. So, even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi). .\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
Nature and our flora and fauna celebrated in our Ramayanam. Further Ramayanam is Satha Koti pravistharam. That is detailed in 100s of crores way. It is TIMELESS.
ஒரு குழந்தை என் தந்தை யார் என்று கேட்டால் அம்மாவிடம் கேட்காதே உனது இரத்தத்தையும் உலகிலுள்ள அனைத்து ஆண்களின் இரத்தத்தையும் சோதனை செய்து தெரிந்துகொள்ள வேண்டும் என்பார் போலிருக்கிறது.
சும்மா சும்மா சப்பைக்கட்டு காட்டுறார் பயித்தியம் புடிச்சிருச்சு இனி நாத்திக கும்பலில் சேர்ந்து புத்தக வியாபாரம் பண்ணட்டும். கல்லூரி பாடபுத்தகமாக்கணும்னா தேதி வேணுமாம் அதுனால 7000 னு கண்டுபுடிச்சுட்டாராம். போய்யா எங்களுக்கு வால்மீகி சொன்னது போதும்
நமஸ்காரம்🙏நான் ஸ்ரீ துஷ்யந் &ஸ்ரீ ரங்கராஜ் பாண்டே இருவருடைய நல்ல ரசிகை உங்கள் எல்லா interview வும் ஒன்று கூட மிஸ் பண்ணாமல் கேட்பேன் இப்ப ஏன் இதில் இப்படி ஒரு சர்ச்சைக்குரிய விஷயமாக ஆகிவிட்டன மனத்துக்கு ரொம்பவே கஷ்டமாக இருக்கு 🙏🙏
ரங்கராஜ் பாண்டேவின் கேள்விகள் அருமை! ஆனால் திரு ஸ்ரீதர் அவர்கள் பாண்டேவின் கேள்விகளுக்கு பதில் சொல்ல திணறியது புரிகிறது! ஆனால் ராமாயணம் புனையப்பட்ட கதை என்பது தெளிவு!!❤
Never seen Shri Dushyant Sreedhar struggling, literally he was in this. But Pandey Ji, Dushyantji is a very good friend of yours, but then when it comes to Interview, it does not matter for you who is in front. Just shooting the question. Pranam Pandeyji.
Actually, this is the pro and con for people who are open-minded and are ready for accepting change in ALL aspects of their life. But people who come under one closed circle, try to give muttu to the people they support with a closed eye.
It is easy to defend his position. Point is Ithihasas and puranas can be neither called "history" nor "myth" because they have both real events and allegorical stories which represent laws of nature, nature and vedic metaphysics. The word myth aptly fits fantasy stories propagated as history by Abrahamic religions which cannot be logically validated There is an allegorical story in Mahabharatha which explains space time dilation (copied later by Einstein) . eg King Kakudmi visiting Brahmalokha with his daughter Revathi and staying their for just 20 min. When he returned he could not find any of his family and relatives, the sons and grandsons-and there was NO record of the family tree. An example of Maya of time. So, even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi). .\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
முதன் முறையாக சகோதரன் துஷ்யந்த் திணறுவதை உணர்கிறேன். நமது இந்த அடிமைத் தன வெள்ளையர் ஏற்பு மனோபாவத்தை விட்டு வெளியேற வேண்டும் என்பதைத் தாழ்மையுடன் கேட்டுக் கொள்கிறேன். 😢😢😢😢😢
@@porchelviramr4404 சம்பாதிக்க மட்டும் சாஸ்திரத்தை மீறி விமானபயணம் செய்து வெள்ளையர்களிடம் பணத்துக்காக வேலை செய்வது மட்டும் அடிமையில்லா ஏற்பு??? செளகரியத்துக்கு ஏற்றமாதிரி சாஸ்திரத்தை உபயோகபடுத்திகணும் , திராவிட எதிர்ப்பா எடு கையில மனுவை, சாஸ்திரத்தை, கோயில் குளத்தை, அறங்காவல்துறையை பத்தி விமர்சி, ???என்ன logic இது??
27 nakshatram,12 months,60 years 9 grahas all these constellations align not just once but surely not single and unique as claimed. Please leave Sri Rama and ramayana undisturbed.we do not look around for empirical proof.sradha,bhakthi is enough for understanding ethihasa,puranas.
Exactly. For the first time, Dushyant Sridhar is struggling to convince. What stands out is the logical reasoning and questioning of Rangaraj Pandey. His utmost respect for Dushyant and his own journalistic reasoning are pitting against each other and the eloquent articulation tops it all. Perhaps, even Dushyant is stunned by this making him struggle to convince. ❤ Interesting conversation. It would appear Pandey is politely winning the debate, leading to a beholder’s conclusion that an attempt at precisely pointing the birth has once again been defeated. This mystery is the enigma called Rama. Other wise it becomes a mere mortals history. So this dating exercise is better given up.
Pandey hats off to you for asking the precise questions. There is no need to interpret when it comes to 11,000 years. Accept as it is like you accept other facts that Valmiki says. Because we can’t comprehend that many years today don’t mean it wasn’t true.
Dushyanth Prabhuji is God's gift to us. Through his lecture you can understand Bhagavad Gita. He explains very well by giving examples. May Lord bless him & his family always. Hare Krishna.
Let Ramayanam need not be included in History Book of School. academic curriculum.. Let our belief on Sri Rama be ridiculed... Let us not bother about non believers.. Let us worry about the minority believers.. Let us not bring in any controversy here.. Sriman. Dushyanth is an adorable orator and Upanyasakar, an upcoming and promising young man.. I do not wish him to be targetted by others for such striking criticism.. But he certainly brought out lot of information to forefront.. My blessings
@@prangsudh He did not say anything wrong. Moreover, even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi). .\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
வணக்கம் திரு பாண்டே சார்.இது குறித்த விளக்கங்களை திரு இலங்கை ஜெயராஜ் ஐயா அவர்களிடம் பேட்டி கண்டால் மிக்க பயனுள்ளதாக இருக்கும்.விரைவில் எதிர்பார்க்கிறோம்.நன்றி.🙏🏻
Rangaraj,great line of questioning. Request to Dushyanth to stick to pravachanam let historians do their job. Ultimately it's leading to more confusion than clarity,which you will not want and stood for.
"leave it to historian" which historian? commies? Point is, eeven if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi). .\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
நம் பாரதத்தின் பெருமையையும் புராண இதிகாசங்களையும் உலகெங்கும் பரப்பி சனாதன தர்மத்தை கடைபிடித்து ஒவ்வொரு ஜீவாத்மாவும் ஒரு உய்வு பெற ஒவ்வொரு ஆழ்வார்களும் பூர்வாசாரியர்களும் ஆசாரிய மகநீயர்களும் பெரு முயற்சி மேற்கொண்டு இன்றளவும் வளர்த்து நிலை பெறச் செய்துள்ளார்கள் ஆயினும் தற்போது உள்ள கலிக்கால சூழ்நிலையில் உலகெங்கும் நமது இதிகாசங்களை சரித்திர வடிவில் நிலைபெறச் செய்து அனைவரும் அறியவும் பல மேற்கோள்கள் காட்டி ராமாயண புத்தகம் படைத்திருப்பது அடியனுக்கு அவசியமாகவே தோன்றுகிறது திரு. பாண்டே அவர்களும் எவ்வளவு கேள்வி எப்படியெல்லாம் கேட்டார் அருமை அவர் கேள்விகளுக்கு எல்லாம் பதில் ஒருசில இடங்களில் மழுப்பலாக தோன்றினாலும் அது மழுப்பல் இல்லை மறைத்து கூற வேண்டிய அவசியம் இருக்கிறது நல்ல எண்ணத்துடன் செய்யும் முயற்சி எதுவும் நல்லதாகவே முடியும் இவை அனைத்தும் நல்ல முயற்சியாகவே தோன்றினாலும் எதிர்காலத்தில் காலவரையரை காரணமாக நம் பழம்பெரும் புராணங்களுக்கு பங்கம் வந்து விடுமோ என்ற நெருடல் இருக்கத்தான் செய்கிறது 🙏 அடியேன் சிரியன் எனக்கு தோன்றிய கருத்து இது 🙏
Dushyant himself explained yuga calculation and all in his previous upanyasama. He is changing his stand after this book which could have been avoided.
கிட்டதட்ட 25300வருடங்களுக்கு ஒருமுறை புது வருட பிறப்பு மாறுகிறதாக ஒரு சித்தாந்தம் உண்டு என்கிறார் பால கங்காதர திலக் தன்னுடைய the orion என்கிற நூலில்.அவர் வேதிக் காலண்டர் பற்றி விரிவாக ஆய்வு செய்தள்ளார் .துஷ்யந் அதை படிக்க வேண்டும்.
If Dhushant can't convince Pandey just imagine who else he can? Extremely dangerous precedence. Where is the need to convince the current generation with history? responsible parents will take care of their knowledge. There is no compulsion for anyone to accept our puranas as history.
Even if he could not "convince" anyone, it doesn't matter. Even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi). .\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions. Ithihasas (Ramayana and Mahabhartha) and Puranas can be neither called "myth" nor history". They have both real events and allegorical stories which represent well validated Vedic metaphysics, nature and laws of nature. Myth means fantasy stories which cannot be validated by logic. The word myth aptly fits fantasy stories propagated as history by Abrahamic religions which cannot be logically validated. There is an allegorical story in Mahabharatha which explains space time dilation (copied later by Einstein) . eg King Kakudmi visiting Brahmalokha with his daughter Revathi and staying their for just 20 min. When he returned he could not find any of his family and relatives, the sons and grandsons-and there was NO record of the family tree. An example of Maya of time.
Many people in South East Asean countries like Singapore, Indonesia & Malaysia have huge respect for Dushyanth Prabhuji. He is an exalted person and very intelligent. Through him we learn lots of things about Sanatan Dharma. Prabhuji is our Spiritual Guru. Hare Krishna.
@thangarajm எதுக்கெடுத்தாலும் உடனே வெளி நாட்டு சதி. இப்படியே ஓதப்பட்டு ஓதப்பட்டு, வைக்கும் வாதத்தை அறிவைக் கொண்டு யோசிக்கும் திறன் போய்விட்டது உங்களுக்கு.
மரியாதைக்குரிய விவாதக்காரர்கள், நமது முன்னோர்கள் / மகரிஷிகள் ராமாயணம் மற்றும் மகாபாரதத்தில் பல விஷயங்களை அளவிடுகிறார்கள், அவை நமக்கு எட்டாத பல அர்த்தங்கள் இருக்கலாம். இன்னும் நாம் இதைப் பற்றி விவாதிக்கிறோம் என் கருத்துப்படி, இது எப்போதும் பேசுவதற்கும் வாழ்வதற்கும் ஒரு வழியாக இருக்கலாம்.
ஒரே கதையை கவிஞரையும், அறிவியல் ஆய்வாளரையும் எழுத சொன்னால் இரண்டு கதையும் வேறு வேறாக தான் இருக்கும். வால்மீகி கவிஞர்...துஷ்யந்த் அறிவியல் ஞானம் உள்ளவர்...
After reading Jayeshree’s blog and Dushyanth’s prologue of his book. I have pre ordered the copy! Great 1st step to document Ramayana as history and disprove it as Myth or Fantasy! Great work Dushyanth ji
Wonderful debate. Pandeys knowledge tremendous to put the questions equalent to the vedic Scholar. In my opinion dushyant sridhar may disard the period in his book as I feel it is not necessary to clarify and satisfy the historians just for including in the universities curriculum. Pandeys meaningful doubts is very clear.
Great discussion. Understand the intention of Dushyant avgl to take Rama to a wider audience and satisfy the academic world, but the two theory argument is not convincing and quite confusing. Great intriguing questioning as always from Pandey avgl.
Pandey and Sri Dushyant. With all due respects to notable Sanathnis today. Please note consult real scholars when you deal with religion. It’s very sensitive and when scholars have avoided or ignored. We can’t be greater than them. Play to your strength. And continue your good service with a boundary.
"real scholars" when you deal with "religion". Hindu tradition is neither baased on history nor any scripture/book. It is not a religion either. It is dharma which is based on Vedic metaphysics and it can be validated by embodied experience not by silly scholars who themselves are clueless when it comes to correct understanding of vedic metaphysics. Ithihasas (Ramayana and Mahabhartha) and Puranas can be neither called "myth" nor history". They have both real events and allegorical stories which represent well validated Vedic metaphysics, nature and laws of nature. Myth means fantasy stories which cannot be validated by logic. The word myth aptly fits fantasy stories propagated as history by Abrahamic religions which cannot be logically validated. There is an allegorical story in Mahabharatha which explains space time dilation (copied later by Einstein) . eg King Kakudmi visiting Brahmalokha with his daughter Revathi and staying their for just 20 min. When he returned he could not find any of his family and relatives, the sons and grandsons-and there was NO record of the family tree. An example of Maya of time. Point is even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi). .\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
Applaud Rangarajan Narashimnan is speaking so vehemently and proving his point. After hearing Dushyant struggle to answer it’s more convincing on what Mr. Rangarajan said
துஷ்யந்த் ஸ்ரீதர் அவர்களே!நீங்கள் வைணவராக இருந்தால், வைணவ பெரியவர்களை அணுகி, நீங்கள் சொல்வது சரியா? தவறா? என்று கேட்டு, அவர்கள் வழிகாட்டுதல்படி செயல்பட வேண்டும்.
இருவருமே அருமையாக தத்தம் கருத்தை பதிவு செய்ததாத்தான் தோன்றுகிறது ! பாண்டே ஒரு படி முன்னமாக தோன்றலாம், ஏனெனில் அவரது தொழில் நிமித்தமான அனுபவம் அது. புதியதாக ஒரு விஷயத்தை சொல்வது எனபது சாதாரணமானது இல்லை அதிலும் பெரும்பான்மை நம்பிக்கைக்கு புதிய பரிமாணம் சொல்வது எனபது அதீத சிரத்தை தேவை என்பது என் புரிதல். ஆனால் அந்த யுக கணக்குகளும் அறுபது ஆயிரம் வருடங்கள் என்பதும் இடிக்கவே செய்கிறது. நல்ல முன்னெடுப்பு திரு ஸ்ரீதர் !
Why not? He knows sanskrit and also Vedic metaphysics. He is fully qualified to interpret Ramayana's Sanskrit verses. As far as "history" is concerned, even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi). .\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
On matters which are not distinctly quoted by the original author need not be brought in for arguments and the can be taken as facts on the basis of faith.
Rama is like a delicious fruit.Enjoy the fruit why scratch your head about which tree it is from who planted the tree which garden which village town are they important.Vain academic exercise.you throw the fruit away research its skin.
What he has done on this subject is really appreciated. It is true that we need to address the people especially well educated students who has doubts and raise questions. As he had said earlier this not for the people who believe what is said and they have full rights and questioned for that. I strongly feel we need not be questioning the research outputs unless it is totally against the basis of the subject ie. Rama Bhakti.
Well, just to satsify and increase his fan base, he shouldn't resort to nonsensical calculations. He must use the existing facts and present them with pragmatic explanations! Authoring a religious scripture tantamounting to writing a screenplay for a movie, is totally absurd!! This guy needs to grow up and learn more of tharka sastram to counter questions from younger generation, in a responsible way! That said, his Vidya garvam would not allow him to do tnat!!!
namaste, why didn't Sri Dushyanth discuss this, mentioning of birth date with his acharyas and got approval. also the book should have been brought into the proof reading of his acharyas and great sanathana scholars should have reviewed and then released. why did he fail to do? also pandeji could have asked this question to him as to, did he show this book to his acharyas and what did they say? he should have asked this question. however let the people should not get confused and Lord Ram save every one. 🙏
Sri. Dushyanth is very clear in his objective which need to be appreciated. Pandey to understand his objective better rather than brnding his effort as a deviation.
கலியுக பிரமாதாவே துஸ்யந்த் அவர்களே கூடிய சீக்கிரம் க்ருத யுகம் காலம் பற்றி ஆராய்ச்சி பண்ணி பண்ணி பகவானின் முதல் அவதாரம் மச்சாவதாரம் காலம் எப்போது என்று அடுத்த புத்தகம் எழுதி இன்றைய இளைய தலைமுறையினரை கரையேற்று மாறு தாழ்மையுடன் கேட்டுக்கொள்கிறேன்
Even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi). In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories. So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
Rangaraj Pandey sir did good job. He understood Ram is above any friendship and just showed how contradictory dushyant went. Finally the take away is dushyant shd think twice moving forward
தமிழ் ஐம்பெரும் காப்பியங்களுள் ஒன்றான மணிமேகலையில் இராமர் பற்றிய செய்தி "நெடியோன் மயங்கி நிலமிசைத் தோன்றி அடல் அரு முந்நீர் அடைத்த ஞான்று குரங்கு கொணர்ந்து எறிந்த நெடு மலை எல்லாம் அணங்கு உடை அளக்கர் வயிறு புக்காங்கு இட்டது ஆற்றாக் கட்டு அழல் கடும் பசிப் பட்டேன் என் தன் பழ வினைப் பயத்தால்" - மணிமேகலை. திருமால் மயக்கத்தால் நிலமிசை இராமனாகத் தோன்றி வெல்லுதற்கரிய கடலை அடைத்த பொழுது,குரங்குகள் கொண்டுவந்து வீசிய பெரிய மலைகளெல்லாம்,வருத்தந் தரும் கடலின் வயிற்றினுள்ளே புகுந்தாற்போல இட்ட உணவுகளால் தணியாத அழல்போன்ற கொடிய பசியை என்னுடைய முன்னை வினைப்பயனால் அடைந்தேன் என்ற வரிகளால் குரங்குகளின் உதவியால் இராமர் பாலம் கட்டப்பட்ட செய்தியை மணிமேகலை பதிவு செய்கிறது...!
My opinion: Pandey seems to be interrupting each conversation and not letting Sridhar to complete.He is also repeating the same question again and again.
ராமர் பிறந்தது சித்திரை மாதம் புணர்வாசு நட்சத்திரம் நவமி பிறந்தார் என்று ஒத்துக்கொள்ளும் போது, thamil மாதம் சித்திரை ஆங்கில மாதம் ஜனவரி 9 என்று எப்படி வரும். Don't waste your time in debating their ஆராய்ச்சி. Nobody will acept their concept.. எப்ப துசியந்தர் நாத்திகர் ஆனார். இது வரை அவருடைய உபனீயாசர் என்ற பெயரை கெடுத்து கொண்டார். பாவம் 😭😭😭.
Excellent interview by Pandeyji. Brilliant point put forth by him that the vast Vedic history cannot be dated. That is the unique glory of it. The noble intentions of Dushyanthji of inculcating “Srimad Valmiki Ramayana” into the minds of the new gen/ next gen is equally appreciated. To preserve its sanctity is far more our duty than for having it to “fit in” to the history books 🙏 thank you for the very enlightening exchanges
Very nicely said! I hope Sri Dushyant Sridhar reads all the comments and takes the suggestions! He should leave history and dating aside. He shouldn't be bothered about "convincing" his audience regarding the authenticity of Sri Ramachandra Prabhu 's avataram. But I guess this is what English education and the influence of the west does to our minds.
@@sowmya7648he actually wishes that today's generation should also learn Ramayanam...what is wrong in this!?.. I'm a gen z kid...i believe in Rama , but some of my frnds dont..so he tries to bring Ramayanam into today's gen by giving dates by research..
@@sowmya7648 nah. As far as "history" is concerned, even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi). .\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
@@DhivyaLakshmi-vb6oz "Belief in Ramayana" There is nothing to blindly "believe" in Ramayana. Ithihasas (Ramayana and Mahabhartha) and Puranas can be neither called "myth" nor history". They have both real events and allegorical stories which represent well validated Vedic metaphysics, nature and laws of nature. Myth means fantasy stories which cannot be validated by logic. The word myth aptly fits fantasy stories propagated as history by Abrahamic religions which cannot be logically validated. There is an allegorical story in Mahabharatha which explains space time dilation (copied later by Einstein) . eg King Kakudmi visiting Brahmalokha with his daughter Revathi and staying their for just 20 min. When he returned he could not find any of his family and relatives, the sons and grandsons-and there was NO record of the family tree. An example of Maya of time. Point is, even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi). .\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
Fire cannot be covered by 1000s of self-arguments and claim it is all covered. Truth will expose all false claims. It is very simple to go for debate to get an conclusion instead of 1-on-1 blamegame.
🙏In Ramayana, Sri Valmiki has a sloka (1.18.20) that mentions only the birth Month (Chitra), the Thithi (Navami), the Laganam (kataga) the Star (Punarvasu) and not the year! Also Sri Rama’s birth was mentioned as a divine incarnation of Sriman Narayana, the supreme god head (the Omni potent, the Omniscient ,and the Omnipresent). 🙏There are several references in the Vedic literature that Sri Rama’s birth happened during Treta Yuga of the Vedic cosmic cycle. Of the Ten well known Avathrams of Sriman Narayana, the first four (Matsa, Kurma, Varaha, Nrisimha, and Vamana) happened during Kritha Yuga. 5th and 6th (Parusurama and Rama) happened during Treta Yuga; 8th and 9th (Balarama and Krishna) happened during Dvapara Yuga. 🙏The 10th the Kali Bhagavan shall be incarnated during the current Kali Yuga comprising 0.432 million years of which we have JUST crossed around 5200 years (3200 years before CE and 2000 years after CE!!!!). 🙏The four Yugas (known as one chathur Yuga) Kritha, Treta, Dvapara and Kali constitute 4.32 million years. Modern science estimates our planet earth to be about 4.54 billion years old which corresponds to about 1000 chathur Yugas! 🙏Jyotisha is a Vedanga of Vedic literature and can be used in simulation models to analyze various aspects of time, dates and stars. Any one using any such simulation models should state the limitations of their simulated results. Especially in the cosmic cycle nature of the universe, there could be more than one incidence of coincidences may occur that will have to be explained in the results and discussion section of the research publication, if any. For example one such occurrences could be 7500 years (5500 BCE). This is the latest coincidence in Kali Yuga but not the all. So if the model has the capacity to simulate full cosmic chathur Yugas, then one can possibly find the earliest or the first occurrence to be in the Treta Yuga! 🙏So let us try to understand the scope and limitations of any such analytical tools to Vedic literature which are time eternal 🙏 🙏Sarvam Srikrishnarpanamasthu
The problem is he is trying to "satisfy" both believers and non-believers. He has to take a clear stance. He can make non-believers know the basics of Vedantha and make them understand how much of great logic is actually there in our Maharishis' teachings. That'd be more helpful to attract youngsters, I feel.
54:31 - A very dangerous rope to walk on.... just because they "trusted" your proof doesn't mean they will also trust the 432,000 years of unit of time scale for the Yugas (4.32 million for Chatur Yuga an 4.32 Billion for a Kalpa etc.) and/or the mystical events and characters present in the Itihaasas.
அவர்கள் ஏற்றுக் கொள்ள மாட்டார்கள் என்பதற்காக நாம் வருடத்தை மாற்றி புத்தகம் எழுதலாமா? அவர்கள் ராமரை ஏற்றுக் கொள்ள மாட்டார்கள். நாமும் ஏற்றுக் கொள்ளாமல் போகலாமா? என்ன ஒரு முட்டாள்தனம்.
திருமதி. ஜெயஸ்ரீ அவர்களின் வரலாற்றுக் "கண்டுபிடிப்பை" ஒரு அடிக்குறிப்பாக மட்டும் கொடுத்துள்ளதாகக் கூறியுள்ளார். அதுகூட செய்திருக்க வேண்டாம் என்றே எனக்குத் தோன்றுகிறது. தற்காலப் பள்ளிக்கூடங்களில் இராமாயணம் வேண்டாம். அடிப்படை வேதாந்தக் கல்வி போதித்தால் உதவியாக இருக்கும் என்று நம்புகிறேன்.
Dushyanth is very clear in what he has to do as a discourser, a science student to take the Ithihasas to class rooms(order of the day). RP mentions about existence of heliocentric model for more than a lakh year. Are they in the text books? I don't remember reading them in lower classes. Neither my father, who was a H&G teacher taught it. In the absence of sophisticated equipments, SHE Vamilki/ Ved Vyas were accurately predict the positions of heavenly bodies in the stellar universe. This needs credit to them and also to Mr. Bhatnagar. DS wants to revive the past glory of Bharath andtake it to greater heights by 2047. We can sort out iffs and butts slowly.
Dushyanth my boy as a common lady with full of அஞ்ஞானம் i couldn't walk with you in this kala pramanam. Please do think it over and discuss with your acharyas in this matter again. I wholly believe in the kala praman envisaged in valmiki ramayan and in our puranas.
Continuously moving the goalposts for each counter by Pandeyji. Sad that nastikka template followed by DS under the guise of Astika.. Merely confusing the general public and splitting hindus further.
Sri Rangaraj Pandey I admire you not a little. The questions that remain in my mind and also on many others you have raised and tried to elicit a reply from Sri Dushyanth Sridhar. I am a firm believer in Sampradhayaa and Purva acharyaas versions only. I do not subscribe to others who have done their research and bring the date of birth of Lord Rama. Actually, most of the valid questions raised by your Sri Dushyanth could not be answered directly and always defended his own argument. In fact, many times digressed from the questions. He is entitled to his opinion but could have respected sampradayaas much more. This session is very important to many. I also observed your opinion and in my understanding we are on the same page since we follow Poorava acharyaas and their vyakyana karthaas. Kudos to a bold interview.
Round 2 for Rangarajan narshiman When Rama was born is not the matter .only answer is still he is in controversy either by Dravidian party or by Hindus . Which ever way it is still the Name is been uttered daily that is the magic of RAM
Leoni is the person appointed by Tamilnadu government for school study books. He is writing as per his wish and as per the instructions received by him. But whatever written today will prevail over the years which may not be correct. Dushyant Sridhar Swamin need not have mentioned about date of birth of Sri Ramar. Valmiki Ramayan is the authority.
I agree.. Ramayanam and Mahabharatham have to be part of the history text books.. and for that this dating is important supported by scientific evidences.. this is the need of the hour..
'en vayathu" or "your age" who is "you"? Mind and body - the ego self or the conscious, immortal, omnipresent and impssive experiencer (but not the doer)- athma beyond space and time? 🤣🤣
Sanathana dharma is open to questions. No one is forced to believe anything. Every guru brings new ideas. Even adi shankara and ramanuja have taught us to question everything. Don't find fault with dushyant.
துஷ்யந்த் மிகவும் சிறந்த ஆன்மீக பேச்சாளர். அவரது இந்த விளக்கம் தெளிவை ஏற்படுத்தவில்லை. அவரது இந்த முயற்சி தேவையில்லையோ என்று தோன்றுகிறது. மேலும் இவர் தனது ஆச்சார்யர்களை கலந்து முயற்சி எடுத்திருக்கலாம்.
Romba co fused
Pande’s frequent interventions has not allowed Sridhar to present his point of view.Sridhar’s effort is to create a historical context to Ramayanam as well ,in the modern context.
1) ஸ்ரீ துஷ்யந்தை விமர்சிப்பவர்கள் பலர் ஸ்வாமி வேதாந்த தேசிகரை கூட ஏற்றுக்கொள்ளவில்லை, அதனால் அந்த ஸ்வாமி சிந்தனையில் தெளிவு இல்லை என்றோ அல்லது அந்த ஸ்வாமி தெளிவு படுத்தவில்லை என்றோ சொல்ல முடியுமா?
ஸ்ரீ துஷ்யந்தை விமர்சனம் செய்பவர்கள் பலர் ஸ்ரீ ராமர் பக்தி செய்த ஸ்ரீ தியாகராஜர் இழிவு படுத்த போது எங்கே போனார்கள் என்ற கேள்வி எழுகிறது அல்லவா? அவர்கள் தான் ராமாயணம் பற்றி இப்போது பேசுகிறார்கள் என்று சொல்லாமா அல்லது கூடாதா🙏
Ya, right and Sridhar ended up creating rubbish in his pathetic assumption of modern context.
Pandey arguments are so much abatham.
He doesn't talk sensibly in this topicm
திரு. ரங்கராஜ் பாண்டே அவர்களின் கேள்விகள் நன்றாக இருந்தன. பாராட்டுகளைத் தெரிவித்துக்கொள்கிறேன்.
@@kgdhouhithri இதையே வேற எவனாவது புத்தகத்தை போட்டிருந்தான்னா கேள்வி வேற லெவல்!!? பூசி மொழுகுறான் பாண்டு!??
@@kumarkumar-ij4vz குமார் சார், திக, திமுகவில் அனைவரையும் ஊம்பி ஊம்பி உதடுவலிக்கும் உங்களின் தியாகம், நீங்கள் மற்றவர்கள் மேல் வெறுப்பு இல்லாமல் அன்போடு ஊம்ப வருகிறீர்கள்.ஆனால், இந்த சங்கிகளுக்கு புரிவதில்லை..
ஊம்பல் திலகம் குமார் குமார் ஊம்புக! ஊம்புக!
Llllllll@@kumarkumar-ij4vz
பாண்டே அவர்கள் சரியாக கேள்வி கேட்கவில்லை சரியான பதிலையும் சொல்ல விடவில்லை
ஸ்ரீ ராமபிரானை மட்டுமே நம்பும் மானுடனாய் இருந்து விட்டு போகிறேன்.....i don't need any date and year.....தேவையில்லாத வேலை என்பது அடியேனின் அபிப்ராயம்.....
It is for people rather kids who are intelligent enough to question and get a convincing answer.. before blindly believing it..
@@kamalaswamiswaminathan341really? If you need to convince your own people about your own religion and culture..then better off stay away than ‘blindly’ believing.
You may not require. It's for some people who are still terming history as myth.
Let there be multiple theories, having different opinions. When there were questions like "was Rama an engineer?", nothing wrong with having different opinions and findings.
@@siva-sivA Dates, evidences and inscriptions play an integral part in history.... so to bring Ramayanam into textbooks these are important
@@siva-sivAyes we need to convince our own people because this is Kali Yuga.
துஷ்யந்த் ஸ்ரீதர் அவர்கள் தனது ராமாயண புத்தகத்தை வெளியிடுவதற்கு முன்பு அதை வைணவப்பெரியோர்களிடம் காட்டி அவர்களின் சம்மதம் பெற்றிருக்க வேண்டும் சில தவறுகள் இருக்கும் பட்சத்தில் திருத்தம் செய்திருக்கலாம் என நினைக்கிறேன்
மிகச்சரியாக சொன்னீர்கள்.
Chitra madam unga research en tally ahalainnu sollungal
It's totally understandable that dear brother Dushyanth wants to convince today's generation about the authenticity of Ramayana. Nevertheless, rather than convincing them on ithihasas, it's better to speak to them the beautiful science of Sanatana Dharma like atma tattva, prakrti and purusha and so on. Ithihasas are for staunch devotees, not for newbies. Yet again another great interview of Pandey ji, being so parliamentary and respectful without commiting any vaishnava aparadh.❤
"Ithihasas are for staunch devotees"nah. Ithihasas and puranas can be neither called "history" nor "myth" because they have both real events and allegorical stories which represent laws of nature, nature and vedic metaphysics. The word myth aptly fits fantasy stories propagated as history by Abrahamic religions which cannot be logically validated
There is an allegorical story in Mahabharatha which explains space time dilation (copied later by Einstein) . eg King Kakudmi visiting Brahmalokha with his daughter Revathi and staying their for just 20 min. When he returned he could not find any of his family and relatives, the sons and grandsons-and there was NO record of the family tree. An example of Maya of time.
So, even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories
It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi).
.\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
Nature and our flora and fauna celebrated in our Ramayanam.
Further Ramayanam is Satha Koti pravistharam. That is detailed in 100s of crores way.
It is TIMELESS.
ஒரு குழந்தை என் தந்தை யார் என்று கேட்டால் அம்மாவிடம் கேட்காதே உனது இரத்தத்தையும் உலகிலுள்ள அனைத்து ஆண்களின் இரத்தத்தையும் சோதனை செய்து தெரிந்துகொள்ள வேண்டும் என்பார் போலிருக்கிறது.
அதுல ஒரு 30 பேர் ரத்தம் பொருத்தமாக இருந்தால் அத்தனைபேரும் அப்பாவாகமுடியுமா
சும்மா சும்மா சப்பைக்கட்டு காட்டுறார் பயித்தியம் புடிச்சிருச்சு இனி நாத்திக கும்பலில் சேர்ந்து புத்தக வியாபாரம் பண்ணட்டும். கல்லூரி பாடபுத்தகமாக்கணும்னா தேதி வேணுமாம் அதுனால 7000 னு கண்டுபுடிச்சுட்டாராம். போய்யா எங்களுக்கு வால்மீகி சொன்னது போதும்
யாரு devil யோசிச்சு பேசணும்.
7000 வருடத்துக்கு முன்னால் வாழ்ந்த வால்மீகி வந்த புற்றை காண்பிக்க. அபத்தக்களஞ்சியம்
நமஸ்காரம்🙏நான் ஸ்ரீ துஷ்யந் &ஸ்ரீ ரங்கராஜ் பாண்டே இருவருடைய நல்ல ரசிகை உங்கள் எல்லா interview வும் ஒன்று கூட மிஸ் பண்ணாமல் கேட்பேன் இப்ப ஏன் இதில் இப்படி ஒரு சர்ச்சைக்குரிய விஷயமாக ஆகிவிட்டன மனத்துக்கு ரொம்பவே கஷ்டமாக இருக்கு 🙏🙏
Pandey ji's questions are amazing....
ரங்கராஜ் பாண்டேவின் கேள்விகள் அருமை! ஆனால் திரு ஸ்ரீதர் அவர்கள் பாண்டேவின் கேள்விகளுக்கு பதில் சொல்ல திணறியது புரிகிறது! ஆனால் ராமாயணம் புனையப்பட்ட கதை என்பது தெளிவு!!❤
In this one aspect I completely agree with Rangarajan Narasimhan Iyya. உண்மை உணர்தலின் பாற்பட்டது.
My honest appreciation to Mr Rangaraj Pandey
Never seen Shri Dushyant Sreedhar struggling, literally he was in this. But Pandey Ji, Dushyantji is a very good friend of yours, but then when it comes to Interview, it does not matter for you who is in front. Just shooting the question. Pranam Pandeyji.
Actually, this is the pro and con for people who are open-minded and are ready for accepting change in ALL aspects of their life. But people who come under one closed circle, try to give muttu to the people they support with a closed eye.
It is easy to defend his position. Point is Ithihasas and puranas can be neither called "history" nor "myth" because they have both real events and allegorical stories which represent laws of nature, nature and vedic metaphysics. The word myth aptly fits fantasy stories propagated as history by Abrahamic religions which cannot be logically validated
There is an allegorical story in Mahabharatha which explains space time dilation (copied later by Einstein) . eg King Kakudmi visiting Brahmalokha with his daughter Revathi and staying their for just 20 min. When he returned he could not find any of his family and relatives, the sons and grandsons-and there was NO record of the family tree. An example of Maya of time.
So, even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories
It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi).
.\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
முதன் முறையாக சகோதரன் துஷ்யந்த் திணறுவதை உணர்கிறேன். நமது இந்த அடிமைத் தன வெள்ளையர் ஏற்பு மனோபாவத்தை விட்டு வெளியேற வேண்டும் என்பதைத் தாழ்மையுடன் கேட்டுக் கொள்கிறேன். 😢😢😢😢😢
@@porchelviramr4404 சம்பாதிக்க மட்டும் சாஸ்திரத்தை மீறி விமானபயணம் செய்து வெள்ளையர்களிடம் பணத்துக்காக வேலை செய்வது மட்டும் அடிமையில்லா ஏற்பு??? செளகரியத்துக்கு ஏற்றமாதிரி சாஸ்திரத்தை உபயோகபடுத்திகணும் , திராவிட எதிர்ப்பா எடு கையில மனுவை, சாஸ்திரத்தை, கோயில் குளத்தை, அறங்காவல்துறையை பத்தி விமர்சி, ???என்ன logic இது??
27 nakshatram,12 months,60 years 9 grahas all these constellations align not just once but surely not single and unique as claimed.
Please leave Sri Rama and ramayana undisturbed.we do not look around for empirical proof.sradha,bhakthi is enough for understanding ethihasa,puranas.
Exactly. For the first time, Dushyant Sridhar is struggling to convince.
What stands out is the logical reasoning and questioning of Rangaraj Pandey. His utmost respect for Dushyant and his own journalistic reasoning are pitting against each other and the eloquent articulation tops it all. Perhaps, even Dushyant is stunned by this making him struggle to convince. ❤
Interesting conversation. It would appear Pandey is politely winning the debate, leading to a beholder’s conclusion that an attempt at precisely pointing the birth has once again been defeated. This mystery is the enigma called Rama. Other wise it becomes a mere mortals history. So this dating exercise is better given up.
முதலில் பார்ப்பன ஏற்பை நாம் நிறுத்தனும்
@@murugans-el8npநீதி உயர்ந்தமதி கல்வி இவை நிறைய உடையவர்கள் மேலோர். உங்களுக்கு இந்த குணங்களை ஏற்படுத்திக்கொண்டு மேலோராக-பிராமணராக மாற முயலலாமே
Pandey hats off to you for asking the precise questions. There is no need to interpret when it comes to 11,000 years. Accept as it is like you accept other facts that Valmiki says. Because we can’t comprehend that many years today don’t mean it wasn’t true.
Brilliant interview. Great questions and answers
ராமாயணத்தை நாம் ஆச்சார்யர்களிடம் இருந்து கர்ப்பதே சிறந்தது. அதுவே வேத கலாச்சாரம் நமக்கு கூறும் வழிமுறை.
ஆசாரிகள் கல்வெட்டில் பதித்ததை ஆச்சாரிகளால் மாற்ற முடியாது
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Dushyanth Prabhuji is God's gift to us. Through his lecture you can understand Bhagavad Gita. He explains very well by giving examples. May Lord bless him & his family always. Hare Krishna.
Let Ramayanam need not be included in History Book of School. academic curriculum.. Let our belief on Sri Rama be ridiculed... Let us not bother about non believers.. Let us worry about the minority believers.. Let us not bring in any controversy here.. Sriman. Dushyanth is an adorable orator and Upanyasakar, an upcoming and promising young man.. I do not wish him to be targetted by others for such striking criticism.. But he certainly brought out lot of information to forefront.. My blessings
Yes, he’s better than Valmiki. Great Dushyanth Sridhar namo namaha
@@prangsudh What ?
@@TheB657 Sarcasm Bruh
@@prangsudh He did not say anything wrong. Moreover, even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories
It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi).
.\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
Bang on
வணக்கம் திரு பாண்டே சார்.இது குறித்த விளக்கங்களை திரு இலங்கை ஜெயராஜ் ஐயா அவர்களிடம் பேட்டி கண்டால் மிக்க பயனுள்ளதாக இருக்கும்.விரைவில் எதிர்பார்க்கிறோம்.நன்றி.🙏🏻
ஆசாரிகள் கல்வெட்டில பதித்ததை ஆச்சாரிகளால் மாற்ற முடியாது
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ஆங்கிலத்தில் உபன்யாசம் பண்ணுவதால் இவர் சொல்வதெல்லாம் நம்ப வேண்டியது என்பது இல்லை
திரு. ரவி அவர்களே.. ஆங்கிலத்தில் உபன்யாசம் கூறுவதால் உங்களை யாரும் அவரை நம்ப கூறவில்லை, நம்பிக்கை இருந்தால் நம்புங்கள் இல்லையெனில் நம்பாதீர்கள்.
Very healthy & admirable discussion.
Rangaraj,great line of questioning. Request to Dushyanth to stick to pravachanam let historians do their job. Ultimately it's leading to more confusion than clarity,which you will not want and stood for.
"leave it to historian" which historian? commies? Point is, eeven if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories
It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi).
.\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
Precisely .hardly care what these historians do, let them do,can't stop them,but we can stay away from their views.hence the request to Dushyant.
நம் பாரதத்தின் பெருமையையும் புராண இதிகாசங்களையும் உலகெங்கும் பரப்பி சனாதன தர்மத்தை கடைபிடித்து ஒவ்வொரு ஜீவாத்மாவும் ஒரு உய்வு பெற ஒவ்வொரு ஆழ்வார்களும் பூர்வாசாரியர்களும் ஆசாரிய மகநீயர்களும்
பெரு முயற்சி மேற்கொண்டு இன்றளவும் வளர்த்து நிலை பெறச் செய்துள்ளார்கள் ஆயினும் தற்போது உள்ள கலிக்கால சூழ்நிலையில் உலகெங்கும் நமது இதிகாசங்களை சரித்திர வடிவில் நிலைபெறச் செய்து அனைவரும் அறியவும் பல மேற்கோள்கள் காட்டி ராமாயண புத்தகம் படைத்திருப்பது அடியனுக்கு அவசியமாகவே தோன்றுகிறது திரு. பாண்டே அவர்களும் எவ்வளவு கேள்வி எப்படியெல்லாம் கேட்டார் அருமை
அவர் கேள்விகளுக்கு எல்லாம் பதில் ஒருசில இடங்களில் மழுப்பலாக தோன்றினாலும் அது மழுப்பல் இல்லை மறைத்து கூற வேண்டிய அவசியம் இருக்கிறது
நல்ல எண்ணத்துடன் செய்யும் முயற்சி எதுவும் நல்லதாகவே முடியும்
இவை அனைத்தும் நல்ல முயற்சியாகவே தோன்றினாலும்
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🙏 அடியேன் சிரியன் எனக்கு தோன்றிய கருத்து இது 🙏
எந்த ஒரு மனிதனும் தான் ஒரு மிகப் பெரிய அறிவாளி என்ற எண்னம் மிகும் பொழுது இப்படித்தான் தப்புத் தப்பான யோசனை எல்லாம் தோன்றும்
Arivalinnu sariyya ezhundugha bro .appurama matravergalai patri vimersam pannalam
Why don't you write that in Tamil?I don't know how to put it in tamil as others have done.@@vijayendranvijay4538
இவனை avoid பண்ணினால் போதும், தானா அடங்கிடுவான்.
@@vijayendranvijay4538 தவறை சுட்டிக்காட்டியமைக்கு நன்றி நண்பரே
Good debate ❤ kudos to shri. Dushayanth Sridhar and shri. Pandey
நீங்க என்ன ஆராய்ச்சிப்படி சொன்னாலும் ராமர் ராமர்தான் மக்கள் அவருடைய கல்யாண குணங்களை பின்பற்றினால்தான் நல்லதுன்னு ப்ரசாரம்பண்ணாநன்னா இருக்கும்
Fantastic job, Pandeyji
Dushyant himself explained yuga calculation and all in his previous upanyasama. He is changing his stand after this book which could have been avoided.
கிட்டதட்ட 25300வருடங்களுக்கு ஒருமுறை புது வருட பிறப்பு மாறுகிறதாக ஒரு சித்தாந்தம் உண்டு என்கிறார் பால கங்காதர திலக் தன்னுடைய the orion என்கிற நூலில்.அவர் வேதிக் காலண்டர் பற்றி விரிவாக ஆய்வு செய்தள்ளார் .துஷ்யந் அதை படிக்க வேண்டும்.
If Dhushant can't convince Pandey just imagine who else he can? Extremely dangerous precedence. Where is the need to convince the current generation with history? responsible parents will take care of their knowledge. There is no compulsion for anyone to accept our puranas as history.
Even if he could not "convince" anyone, it doesn't matter. Even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories
It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi).
.\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
Ithihasas (Ramayana and Mahabhartha) and Puranas can be neither called "myth" nor history". They have both real events and allegorical stories which represent well validated Vedic metaphysics, nature and laws of nature. Myth means fantasy stories which cannot be validated by logic. The word myth aptly fits fantasy stories propagated as history by Abrahamic religions which cannot be logically validated.
There is an allegorical story in Mahabharatha which explains space time dilation (copied later by Einstein) . eg King Kakudmi visiting Brahmalokha with his daughter Revathi and staying their for just 20 min. When he returned he could not find any of his family and relatives, the sons and grandsons-and there was NO record of the family tree. An example of Maya of time.
Nalla kelvigal,,,🎉
பேட்டி எடுத்ததற்கு நன்றி! புதிய அஸுகி ஶவம் தயாராகிறது
Lots of interruptions by Shri Pandey
Many people in South East Asean countries like Singapore, Indonesia & Malaysia have huge respect for Dushyanth Prabhuji. He is an exalted person and very intelligent. Through him we learn lots of things about Sanatan Dharma. Prabhuji is our Spiritual Guru. Hare Krishna.
வெளிநாட்டுச் சதியோ என்னும் சந்தேகம் வருகிறது
Ungha veetla thaneer varalainna koodha modhi dan karanamnnu solrar pola erukku .
Not because someone funded this... this is due to friendship and association with modern day atheists and scientists...
நிச்சியமாக
@thangarajm எதுக்கெடுத்தாலும் உடனே வெளி நாட்டு சதி. இப்படியே ஓதப்பட்டு ஓதப்பட்டு, வைக்கும் வாதத்தை அறிவைக் கொண்டு யோசிக்கும் திறன் போய்விட்டது
உங்களுக்கு.
யார் என்ன வேண்டுமானாலும் பேசட்டும் நான் துஷ்யந்த் பக்கமே. ஓம் நமசிவாய திருச்சிற்றம்பலம். தீய சக்திகளை அந்த ஸ்ரீராமன் தன் பாணத்தால் வீழ்த்துவானாக
மரியாதைக்குரிய விவாதக்காரர்கள், நமது முன்னோர்கள் / மகரிஷிகள் ராமாயணம் மற்றும் மகாபாரதத்தில் பல விஷயங்களை அளவிடுகிறார்கள், அவை நமக்கு எட்டாத பல அர்த்தங்கள் இருக்கலாம். இன்னும் நாம் இதைப் பற்றி விவாதிக்கிறோம் என் கருத்துப்படி, இது எப்போதும் பேசுவதற்கும் வாழ்வதற்கும் ஒரு வழியாக இருக்கலாம்.
ரொம்ப நாளைக்கப்புறம் பாண்டே அவர்கள் உருப்படியாக, விளக்கம் தெரிந்து கொள்ளும் நோக்கத்துடன் இந்த பேட்டியில் தான் கேள்வி கேட்கிறார் !
Dushyant’s approach should be encouraged. Nothing wrong with honest enquiry.
One individual cannot decide unilaterally the date of historical events. It should be debated and proved beyond doubt with proof.
You can follow the debate by following the post of smt jayasree saranathan.?
I love the ending words of Sri Pandeji, the signal example.
ப்ரமாணங்கள் என்றால் என்ன? அவை எவை? உயர் ப்ரமாணம் எது? இதில் தெளிவு உள்ளவர்கள் பூஜ்ய ஸ்வாமீஜீ தயாநந்த ஸரஸ்வதீ அவர்கள் போல வெகு சிலரே
ஒரே கதையை கவிஞரையும், அறிவியல் ஆய்வாளரையும் எழுத சொன்னால் இரண்டு கதையும் வேறு வேறாக தான் இருக்கும்.
வால்மீகி கவிஞர்...துஷ்யந்த் அறிவியல் ஞானம் உள்ளவர்...
தியானம் தவம் குரு வருள் மட்டுமே பிரபஞ்ச ரஹஸ்யம் விளக்கப்படும். அகங்காரம் மாயை.
"parabanja ragasiyam" nah. Periya prabhanjam = Chinna prabanjam. Macrocosm = microcosm.
Best wishes
ராம் ராம்
ராமர் வழி நடப்போம்
அவர் இங்கே வந்து வாங்கோப்பா என் பின்னால் என்று சொன்னால் தேவலை. ஒரு வேளை அவர் வந்துட்டாலும் என்ன ID ஐ பார்த்து அவர் தான் என்று உறுதி செய்வது?
After reading Jayeshree’s blog and Dushyanth’s prologue of his book. I have pre ordered the copy! Great 1st step to document Ramayana as history and disprove it as Myth or Fantasy! Great work Dushyanth ji
Wonderful debate. Pandeys knowledge tremendous to put the questions equalent to the vedic
Scholar. In my opinion dushyant sridhar may disard the period in his book as I feel it is not necessary to clarify and satisfy the historians just for including in the universities curriculum. Pandeys meaningful doubts is very clear.
Great discussion. Understand the intention of Dushyant avgl to take Rama to a wider audience and satisfy the academic world, but the two theory argument is not convincing and quite confusing. Great intriguing questioning as always from Pandey avgl.
Pandey and Sri Dushyant. With all due respects to notable Sanathnis today. Please note consult real scholars when you deal with religion. It’s very sensitive and when scholars have avoided or ignored. We can’t be greater than them. Play to your strength. And continue your good service with a boundary.
"real scholars" when you deal with "religion". Hindu tradition is neither baased on history nor any scripture/book. It is not a religion either. It is dharma which is based on Vedic metaphysics and it can be validated by embodied experience not by silly scholars who themselves are clueless when it comes to correct understanding of vedic metaphysics.
Ithihasas (Ramayana and Mahabhartha) and Puranas can be neither called "myth" nor history". They have both real events and allegorical stories which represent well validated Vedic metaphysics, nature and laws of nature. Myth means fantasy stories which cannot be validated by logic. The word myth aptly fits fantasy stories propagated as history by Abrahamic religions which cannot be logically validated.
There is an allegorical story in Mahabharatha which explains space time dilation (copied later by Einstein) . eg King Kakudmi visiting Brahmalokha with his daughter Revathi and staying their for just 20 min. When he returned he could not find any of his family and relatives, the sons and grandsons-and there was NO record of the family tree. An example of Maya of time.
Point is even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories
It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi).
.\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
Applaud Rangarajan Narashimnan is speaking so vehemently and proving his point. After hearing Dushyant struggle to answer it’s more convincing on what Mr. Rangarajan said
துஷ்யந்த் ஸ்ரீதர் அவர்களே!நீங்கள் வைணவராக இருந்தால், வைணவ பெரியவர்களை அணுகி, நீங்கள் சொல்வது சரியா? தவறா? என்று கேட்டு, அவர்கள் வழிகாட்டுதல்படி செயல்பட வேண்டும்.
All his guru which he claims have refuted these claims.. Check video done by rangarajan narasimhan on other scholars.
He thinks he’s smart trying to link geography and history to Ramayana instead of trusting Valmiki. Agangaram
Very simple. The dating of Ram sethu matches with the astronomical events of Rama's life. PERIOD.
நம்முடைய தலைமுறையே 3,4,க்கு மேல் ஆதாரம் இல்லாத போது ராம அவதாரபுருஷருக்கு பிறந்த வருடம் கண்டுபிடிக்க நீங்கள் யார்??????????
மூச்சிறைக்க கத்தினாலும் துஷ்யந்த் கடவுள் மறுப்பாளரரகிவிட்டார். இவர் சுகிசிவம் கரூப்.
Pls listen to him fully n comment.. as our sanantham itself s going down.. no need to bad mouth about anyone unnecessarily.. as he s a great scholar
A scholar need not try to counter a great scholar valkimi. His trying land in creating discussions in wrong route.
IS GOD SAVING US OR DHUSHYANTH SAVING GOD??
E V Ramasamy unesco award vanginarunnu palli puthagathula puluginiyae. Adhu madhiriyaa???
இருவருமே அருமையாக தத்தம் கருத்தை பதிவு செய்ததாத்தான் தோன்றுகிறது ! பாண்டே ஒரு படி முன்னமாக தோன்றலாம், ஏனெனில் அவரது தொழில் நிமித்தமான அனுபவம் அது. புதியதாக ஒரு விஷயத்தை சொல்வது எனபது சாதாரணமானது இல்லை அதிலும் பெரும்பான்மை நம்பிக்கைக்கு புதிய பரிமாணம் சொல்வது எனபது அதீத சிரத்தை தேவை என்பது என் புரிதல். ஆனால் அந்த யுக கணக்குகளும் அறுபது ஆயிரம் வருடங்கள் என்பதும் இடிக்கவே செய்கிறது. நல்ல முன்னெடுப்பு திரு ஸ்ரீதர் !
Only one thing. If you want research go in that way.if you want to preach go in that way. No duality. A preacher should not be a researcher
research is nothing but cheating.
Why not? He knows sanskrit and also Vedic metaphysics. He is fully qualified to interpret Ramayana's Sanskrit verses. As far as "history" is concerned, even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories
It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi).
.\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
நமது ஆறு மாதம் தேவர்களுக்கு ஒரு பகலும் ஒரு இரவும் என்பதை மறுக்க வேண்டாம் முடியாது ✍️ இதன் அடிப்படையில்
Why do we need to enter into an exercise to satisfy the university rules for them to accept our Ramayana?
Bro this is not to satisfy universities.. But to teach today's gen Ramayanam ..Hope you understand!
இவருடைய எண்ண த்தை ஏற்க முடியாது உண்மை
On matters which are not distinctly quoted by the original author need not be brought in for arguments and the can be taken as facts on the basis of faith.
I have respect for Dushyanth sridhar.
Judging the age of Rama through some peoples analyisis be it may anthing appears to be an unwanted exercise
Rama is like a delicious fruit.Enjoy the fruit why scratch your head about which tree it is from who planted the tree which garden which village town are they important.Vain academic exercise.you throw the fruit away research its skin.
Not everybody is enjoying the fruit ...To make everyone enjoy he does this..
Excellent questions Pandey-ji. Dushyant Sridhar is really struggling to address the basic issues.
What he has done on this subject is really appreciated. It is true that we need to address the people especially well educated students who has doubts and raise questions. As he had said earlier this not for the people who believe what is said and they have full rights and questioned for that. I strongly feel we need not be questioning the research outputs unless it is totally against the basis of the subject ie. Rama Bhakti.
Well said sir, my opinion also in same page.
Mine too
Well, just to satsify and increase his fan base, he shouldn't resort to nonsensical calculations. He must use the existing facts and present them with pragmatic explanations! Authoring a religious scripture tantamounting to writing a screenplay for a movie, is totally absurd!! This guy needs to grow up and learn more of tharka sastram to counter questions from younger generation, in a responsible way! That said, his Vidya garvam would not allow him to do tnat!!!
namaste, why didn't Sri Dushyanth discuss this, mentioning of birth date with his acharyas and got approval. also the book should have been brought into the proof reading of his acharyas and great sanathana scholars should have reviewed and then released. why did he fail to do? also pandeji could have asked this question to him as to, did he show this book to his acharyas and what did they say? he should have asked this question. however let the people should not get confused and Lord Ram save every one. 🙏
Sri. Dushyanth is very clear in his objective which need to be appreciated. Pandey to understand his objective better rather than brnding his effort as a deviation.
குழந்தை கையை நீட்டி சந்திரனை தொட்டுவிட்டேன் என்று சொல்வதைப்போல் துஷ்யந்தர் சொல்கிறார்
இருபது நிமிட உரையாடலுக்குப் பிறகு இருவருமே ஆரம்பித்த புள்ளியை மறந்து விட்டு வேற வாதங்களுக்குள் போய்ட்டாங்க.
கலியுக பிரமாதாவே துஸ்யந்த் அவர்களே கூடிய சீக்கிரம் க்ருத யுகம் காலம் பற்றி ஆராய்ச்சி பண்ணி பண்ணி பகவானின் முதல் அவதாரம் மச்சாவதாரம் காலம் எப்போது என்று அடுத்த புத்தகம் எழுதி இன்றைய இளைய தலைமுறையினரை கரையேற்று மாறு தாழ்மையுடன் கேட்டுக்கொள்கிறேன்
Good questions Pander ji.... Ram.. Ram🙏
Even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi). In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories. So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
yes and Vedic metaphysics or 'darshana" was downloaded in deep meditation.
Have you got any clear answers for your questions?
தேவையில்லாத வேலை என்றே தோன்றுகிறது !
Rangaraj Pandey sir did good job. He understood Ram is above any friendship and just showed how contradictory dushyant went. Finally the take away is dushyant shd think twice moving forward
தமிழ் ஐம்பெரும் காப்பியங்களுள் ஒன்றான மணிமேகலையில் இராமர் பற்றிய செய்தி
"நெடியோன் மயங்கி நிலமிசைத் தோன்றி
அடல் அரு முந்நீர் அடைத்த ஞான்று
குரங்கு கொணர்ந்து எறிந்த நெடு மலை எல்லாம் அணங்கு உடை அளக்கர் வயிறு புக்காங்கு இட்டது ஆற்றாக் கட்டு அழல் கடும் பசிப் பட்டேன் என் தன் பழ வினைப் பயத்தால்"
- மணிமேகலை.
திருமால் மயக்கத்தால் நிலமிசை இராமனாகத் தோன்றி வெல்லுதற்கரிய கடலை அடைத்த பொழுது,குரங்குகள் கொண்டுவந்து வீசிய பெரிய மலைகளெல்லாம்,வருத்தந் தரும் கடலின் வயிற்றினுள்ளே புகுந்தாற்போல இட்ட உணவுகளால் தணியாத அழல்போன்ற கொடிய பசியை என்னுடைய முன்னை வினைப்பயனால் அடைந்தேன் என்ற வரிகளால் குரங்குகளின் உதவியால் இராமர் பாலம் கட்டப்பட்ட செய்தியை மணிமேகலை பதிவு செய்கிறது...!
My opinion: Pandey seems to be interrupting each conversation and not letting Sridhar to complete.He is also repeating the same question again and again.
ராமர் பிறந்தது சித்திரை மாதம் புணர்வாசு நட்சத்திரம் நவமி பிறந்தார் என்று ஒத்துக்கொள்ளும் போது, thamil மாதம் சித்திரை ஆங்கில மாதம் ஜனவரி 9 என்று எப்படி வரும். Don't waste your time in debating their ஆராய்ச்சி. Nobody will acept their concept.. எப்ப துசியந்தர் நாத்திகர் ஆனார். இது வரை அவருடைய உபனீயாசர் என்ற பெயரை கெடுத்து கொண்டார். பாவம் 😭😭😭.
Vinasha kaale vipareetha buddhi apdinnu periyavanga solli irukkanga... Dushyant is no exception for that
Super sridar
Excellent interview by Pandeyji. Brilliant point put forth by him that the vast Vedic history cannot be dated. That is the unique glory of it. The noble intentions of Dushyanthji of inculcating “Srimad Valmiki Ramayana” into the minds of the new gen/ next gen is equally appreciated. To preserve its sanctity is far more our duty than for having it to “fit in” to the history books 🙏 thank you for the very enlightening exchanges
Very nicely said!
I hope Sri Dushyant Sridhar reads all the comments and takes the suggestions! He should leave history and dating aside. He shouldn't be bothered about "convincing" his audience regarding the authenticity of Sri Ramachandra Prabhu 's avataram.
But I guess this is what English education and the influence of the west does to our minds.
@@sowmya7648he actually wishes that today's generation should also learn Ramayanam...what is wrong in this!?.. I'm a gen z kid...i believe in Rama , but some of my frnds dont..so he tries to bring Ramayanam into today's gen by giving dates by research..
@@sowmya7648 nah. As far as "history" is concerned, even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories
It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi).
.\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
@@DhivyaLakshmi-vb6oz "Belief in Ramayana" There is nothing to blindly "believe" in Ramayana. Ithihasas (Ramayana and Mahabhartha) and Puranas can be neither called "myth" nor history". They have both real events and allegorical stories which represent well validated Vedic metaphysics, nature and laws of nature. Myth means fantasy stories which cannot be validated by logic. The word myth aptly fits fantasy stories propagated as history by Abrahamic religions which cannot be logically validated.
There is an allegorical story in Mahabharatha which explains space time dilation (copied later by Einstein) . eg King Kakudmi visiting Brahmalokha with his daughter Revathi and staying their for just 20 min. When he returned he could not find any of his family and relatives, the sons and grandsons-and there was NO record of the family tree. An example of Maya of time.
Point is, even if Rama did not exist what difference can it make? Rama and other avatars are "revered" for being dharmic in Ithihasas and puranas. So, it does not matter whether they really existed or not. In other words, Hindu/dharmic tradition is NOT based on history or any book or scripture or puranaic stories or ithihasic stories
It also means, Hindu tradition is based on Vedic metaphysics Sankhya (validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience) which combines Advaitha (Shiva or Vishnu or Brahma) and Dvaitha (Shakthi or Lakshmi or Saraswathi).
.\So, even if some fake puranic stories (Inserted by colonialists) contradict laws of nature, it still cannot invalidate Hindu/Vedic metaphysics around which HIndu/Dharmic tradition was built including its temple and yoga traditions.
Fire cannot be covered by 1000s of self-arguments and claim it is all covered. Truth will expose all false claims. It is very simple to go for debate to get an conclusion instead of 1-on-1 blamegame.
🙏In Ramayana, Sri Valmiki has a sloka (1.18.20) that mentions only the birth Month (Chitra), the Thithi (Navami), the Laganam (kataga) the Star (Punarvasu) and not the year! Also Sri Rama’s birth was mentioned as a divine incarnation of Sriman Narayana, the supreme god head (the Omni potent, the Omniscient ,and the Omnipresent).
🙏There are several references in the Vedic literature that Sri Rama’s birth happened during Treta Yuga of the Vedic cosmic cycle. Of the Ten well known Avathrams of Sriman Narayana, the first four (Matsa, Kurma, Varaha, Nrisimha, and Vamana) happened during Kritha Yuga. 5th and 6th (Parusurama and Rama) happened during Treta Yuga; 8th and 9th (Balarama and Krishna) happened during Dvapara Yuga.
🙏The 10th the Kali Bhagavan shall be incarnated during the current Kali Yuga comprising 0.432 million years of which we have JUST crossed around 5200 years (3200 years before CE and 2000 years after CE!!!!).
🙏The four Yugas (known as one chathur Yuga) Kritha, Treta, Dvapara and Kali constitute 4.32 million years. Modern science estimates our planet earth to be about 4.54 billion years old which corresponds to about 1000 chathur Yugas!
🙏Jyotisha is a Vedanga of Vedic literature and can be used in simulation models to analyze various aspects of time, dates and stars. Any one using any such simulation models should state the limitations of their simulated results. Especially in the cosmic cycle nature of the universe, there could be more than one incidence of coincidences may occur that will have to be explained in the results and discussion section of the research publication, if any. For example one such occurrences could be 7500 years (5500 BCE). This is the latest coincidence in Kali Yuga but not the all. So if the model has the capacity to simulate full cosmic chathur Yugas, then one can possibly find the earliest or the first occurrence to be in the Treta Yuga!
🙏So let us try to understand the scope and limitations of any such analytical tools to Vedic literature which are time eternal 🙏
🙏Sarvam Srikrishnarpanamasthu
God is their only one god in world that is our soul . History is different, believe is different.
நல்ல வியாபாரி
Sri rangaraj pandey is very sharp and intelligent, sometimes find him to the point and with a silver tongue more than sri Dushyant.
Only one question is required to be asked: is valmikis 24th chaturyuga not proof enough that dushyanth is wrong?
The problem is he is trying to "satisfy" both believers and non-believers. He has to take a clear stance. He can make non-believers know the basics of Vedantha and make them understand how much of great logic is actually there in our Maharishis' teachings. That'd be more helpful to attract youngsters, I feel.
54:31 - A very dangerous rope to walk on.... just because they "trusted" your proof doesn't mean they will also trust the 432,000 years of unit of time scale for the Yugas (4.32 million for Chatur Yuga an 4.32 Billion for a Kalpa etc.) and/or the mystical events and characters present in the Itihaasas.
அவர்கள் ஏற்றுக் கொள்ள மாட்டார்கள் என்பதற்காக நாம் வருடத்தை மாற்றி புத்தகம் எழுதலாமா?
அவர்கள் ராமரை ஏற்றுக் கொள்ள மாட்டார்கள்.
நாமும் ஏற்றுக் கொள்ளாமல் போகலாமா?
என்ன ஒரு முட்டாள்தனம்.
இது தேவையே இல்லாத சர்ச்சை. ராமர் அவதாரம் நிஜமான உண்மை. ராம பக்தி மட்டுமே இந்த கலியுகத்தில் நமக்கு தேவை. வேண்டாத குழப்பம் பக்தர்கள் மனம் புண்படுகிறது.
It is not HISTORY.
It is HIS STORY
இவர் தப்பான ஒரு புத்தத்தை எழுதிவிட்டு அதை ஒத்துக் கொள்ளாமல் விதண்டாவாதம் செய்வது எரிச்சலாக இருக்கிறது.
திருமதி. ஜெயஸ்ரீ அவர்களின் வரலாற்றுக் "கண்டுபிடிப்பை" ஒரு அடிக்குறிப்பாக மட்டும் கொடுத்துள்ளதாகக் கூறியுள்ளார். அதுகூட செய்திருக்க வேண்டாம் என்றே எனக்குத் தோன்றுகிறது. தற்காலப் பள்ளிக்கூடங்களில் இராமாயணம் வேண்டாம். அடிப்படை வேதாந்தக் கல்வி போதித்தால் உதவியாக இருக்கும் என்று நம்புகிறேன்.
We cannot say what is right and wrong. It's just one's own finding with some arguments. Our dharma allows free arguments and opinions.
Ivaral sariyaga Justify pannamudiamal Patharar.Out of Subject Pesarar.Very sad.
Dushyanth is very clear in what he has to do as a discourser, a science student to take the Ithihasas to class rooms(order of the day). RP mentions about existence of heliocentric model for more than a lakh year. Are they in the text books? I don't remember reading them in lower classes. Neither my father, who was a H&G teacher taught it. In the absence of sophisticated equipments, SHE Vamilki/ Ved Vyas were accurately predict the positions of heavenly bodies in the stellar universe. This needs credit to them and also to Mr. Bhatnagar. DS wants to revive the past glory of Bharath andtake it to greater heights by 2047. We can sort out iffs and butts slowly.
Pandey ji. Supera question kekrel. Avrala anwer crrecta kodukkamudiyala. Cinvinceda illa.
Its Verry today science and sprituality should go hand in hand, otherwise it may not appeal. Eventhough science has got Limitation
Dushyanth my boy as a common lady with full of அஞ்ஞானம் i couldn't walk with you in this kala pramanam. Please do think it over and discuss with your acharyas in this matter again. I wholly believe in the kala praman envisaged in valmiki ramayan and in our puranas.
Thanks a lot Maa. Completely agree with you! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Should i follow 1st theroy or 2nd theory ? i am overall confused Mr Dhusyanth.. help me.
Continuously moving the goalposts for each counter by Pandeyji. Sad that nastikka template followed by DS under the guise of Astika.. Merely confusing the general public and splitting hindus further.
Sri Rangaraj Pandey
I admire you not a little. The questions that remain in my mind and also on many others you have raised and tried to elicit a reply from Sri Dushyanth Sridhar.
I am a firm believer in Sampradhayaa and Purva acharyaas versions only. I do not subscribe to others who have done their research and bring the date of birth of Lord Rama.
Actually, most of the valid questions raised by your Sri Dushyanth could not be answered directly and always defended his own argument. In fact, many times digressed from the questions. He is entitled to his opinion but could have respected sampradayaas much more.
This session is very important to many. I also observed your opinion and in my understanding we are on the same page since we follow Poorava acharyaas and their vyakyana karthaas.
Kudos to a bold interview.
Round 2 for Rangarajan narshiman
When Rama was born is not the matter .only answer is still he is in controversy either by Dravidian party or by Hindus . Which ever way it is still the Name is been uttered daily that is the magic of RAM
Very good example notion 👍
Leoni is the person appointed by Tamilnadu government for school study books. He is writing as per his wish and as per the instructions received by him. But whatever written today will prevail over the years which may not be correct. Dushyant Sridhar Swamin need not have mentioned about date of birth of Sri Ramar. Valmiki Ramayan is the authority.
I agree.. Ramayanam and Mahabharatham have to be part of the history text books.. and for that this dating is important supported by scientific evidences.. this is the need of the hour..
Still unnecessarily arguing .He has taken a stand which he don't want to accept other 's view.
நான் பிறந்தது திங்கட்கிழமை. ஆகையால் என் வயது 7 நாட்கள்......
'en vayathu" or "your age" who is "you"? Mind and body - the ego self or the conscious, immortal, omnipresent and impssive experiencer (but not the doer)- athma beyond space and time? 🤣🤣
என்ன சொல்ல வருகிறார் என்றே புரியவில்லை ! தலை சுற்றுகிறது !
Sanathana dharma is open to questions. No one is forced to believe anything. Every guru brings new ideas. Even adi shankara and ramanuja have taught us to question everything. Don't find fault with dushyant.