I’ve got a very similar setup. Waste oil boiler heated slab shop and wood stove and heating oil furnace in the house. Even got the tote cages, white obs F350 and tractor with snow thrower. It’s nice to see I’m not the only one doing it this way.
I enjoyed your video much, you are easy to listen to. Good content for any home owner. I watch many video's about alternate heating. One of the most interesting of late is "Sand Batteries". Looks like the waste oil burner is your most cost effective heater. Might be worth transferring some of the shop heat to your house. I am imagining a "Heater building" between your house and shop with a thermal Battery, "Sand" to capture and transfer the heat.
I’ve read up a little on those sand batteries, they seem efficient for a small space, but I don’t think they would work well to transfer heat to a larger space such as a home. You also need a very efficient way to heat them Up.
In the 90s the oil change I worked for installed a waste oil heater. Worked mostly great the first year but had 3 major flaws: 1) once a week needed to drain water from the bottom of the holding tank (try getting rid of oil contaminated water), 2) the oil was preheated prior to consumption within the injection nozzle that would coke up (I reworked it by building a different mouse trap), 3) like an oil furnace it was ignited by a constant spark using great amounts of electricity. Owners still liked it as it lowered the use of the infer-red heater by 50%. Located 5 minutes north of Syracuse NY. I like the ducting from insert room to other parts of the house. For the garage you can create something with ducting from Lowe's or Home Depot.
I can see those being an issue, and have experienced some of that on my old unit, but this new one has almost 1000 hours of run time on it with 0 problems. And I’ve only drained water out of the tank once. Helps when you are getting good oil.
I have seen a design where no continuous ignitions is required, a heated plate is placed inside the firebox, waste oil is added drop wise onto the heated plate, put fins on the plate to direct air then blast with blower to create a vortex, turn up the oil to keep the plate hot, it will sustain combustion. but the plate does need the energy to be heated to nearly red hot.
I’m in NW Wisconsin and I heat my small rambler exclusively with wood I scrounge for, it’s easy here to find enough wood but I only use a full cord and a lot of scrap wood I collect throughout the year to heat the house. I just got a nice donation of logged red oak and hard maple from a construction company building a cell tower down the road, I’ll get about 6 full cords from it. Subbed.
sounds like youve got a pretty good system going on. I havent paid for logs in a couple years, everything I get, I get for free. I've got a set of log bunks I made for my trailer so it's easy peasy to pick up free logs.
@@EverythingElliott good law I guess, insurance companies require it here although no restrictions on firewood being the primary but premiums are slightly higher if firewood is primary.
I know exactly what you're saying. I am down the road in Oswego. I have a stone fireplace, and I put a wood stove insert in it about 20 years ago. Paid for itself many times over. I still use about a tank and a half of oil. Suburban just delivered 170 gallons, $940.00. I have a 50 gal. Transfer tank. I have been thinking about going over to diesel.
Not sure how far you are from the Onadaga Rez, but it might be a good option for you...I used to fill up my 100 gal transfer tank and two 55 gallon drums of diesel at the rez and bring them home when I had a 500 gal tank in my basement. Just dont get caught by the DOT hauling drums of diesel fuel haha
I'm posting this comment before I have read all of the others, please forgive me if it's already been mentioned. You could hang a ceiling fan (or two) in the shop to help even out the temperature. Great video and greetings from north central Ohio.
My grandfather tied his baseboard heat into his fireplace via a grate made out of steel pipe. He put a switch on it so that he could turn it on when there was a fire going and turn it off when there wasn’t so you weren’t sending heat up the chimney when there was no fire. I have a mobile home down draft oil furnace mounted on the second floor of my shop that I run off diesel fuel. Burns about 5 gals in an 8 hour day but I only run it when I’m in the shop.
That's a great idea...however in my space, I dont think I could make the connection from my fireplace to the baseboard heat in a way that my wife would approve of...
i heat my shop and an old house with waste oil . vintage siegler oil (fuel oil or kero) heater in each , original carbs modified to flow the thicker wmo . oil pre heater made from disposable propane torch tank , water heater thermostat , and incandescent bulb , in military ammo can w/insulation added . i pick up 4 to 6 buckets of water free oil from a service station on my way between my home and shop once a week . i just force the oil thru a car filter and use it . have to shut down about 1 hour each day for cooling and cleanout of burn chambers , about 10 minutes of dirty work .
Building a hybrid stove for the garage. Currently its an old lopi wood burner but i am going to drill a hole in the top and use a dosing pump to drip oil onto the wood fire. This is a very old school trick with a modern (dose pump) touch. Stove will consume a fraction of the wood normally and i dont have to pay to get rid of my old oil. The house has a modern lopi woodstove that is high efficiency.
I saw the video you did where you added insulation to your metal building. However I see that the ribs are still steel. You may want to do something about that. Even just air infiltration from the joints can cause severe heat loss. There are several options. tape over the joint Add rigid foam over the bare metal, then tape foam to foam. Get a froth pack, and spray foam 1/2 to 1 inch of foam over just the ribs. Home depot has the froth pack in stock for around $430 for 400 board feet. Canned foam is about 3x the cost. The froth pack also has a fan nozzle for area coverage. You could probably get around 800 linear feet out of one kit. This would probably be fastest and the most bang for your buck. The drawback is that it needs the surface to heat up to over 50F when you apply it or it falls off a week later (it happened to me). You could probably warm it up near the heater and work out from there. After you do one kit it will be easy to tell if you need another and if it made a difference. Just paint it, brush or roller, at the joint and over the metal. Anything is helpful, but a silicone roofing paint will be the best to inhibit thermal transfer. A 5 gallon bucket is around $100, and willl cover around 1200 square feet, or 2400 linear feet in a 6 inch wide strip. in that section of the store they have a mop paint brush that makes applying it a breeze. I applied it to the top of a flat roof (shipping container) it may drip if you apply it to the inside of your roof. Of course there are other options too. You may also want to insulate the slab. Dig down next to the slab a few inches below dirt level around the perimeter, add rigid insulation, then back fill. It will keep you from loosing as much heat from the slab. Foamed construction adhesive makes sticking rigid insulation in place a breeze. It would also be easier to do all of this stuff in the summer. good luck.
I got factory seconds insulation from insulationdepot. It was about 20% of retail. There were imperfections... Some weren't cut square, some had voids, some had a chunk taken out of the corner, but none of that detracted from my primary use of insulating shipping containers. I used a froth pack around the problems, and usually trimmed 9 inches off of one end. There are other sources of recycled insulation, and it is usually as good as new, and much cheaper. I had 8 4ft stacks delivered, and have 3 still remaining to put up. The ones I got were 3.5 to 2.25 inches thick polyiso, paper and fiberglass faced.
Those are some outstanding recommendations. As of right now, I’m ok with how things are working out, once I hit the powerball I’m planning on having the entire thing spray foamed. So I’m just telling myself this foam board is temporary
Fantastic video. Just a comment about your domestic situation. You should have suggested to your wife that you wanted to to put French doors in to let more light in and help with heat from sunlight in the winter and not mentioned the wood idea. She might have gone for the doors. And then you can suggest the next phase. Do it in stages. Then at least you could have wheeled your bin of wood to the pile to unload even if she said no to you storing the bin there. Love the heating systems
For me I would have insisted on an easier way. His wife should realize that it takes a lot of her husbands labor to unnecessarily transfer the wood inside. If she was willing to come out and stack 50% of the wood then ok. I heated with wood for many years. You only want to move wood as little as possible.
See, these are the suggestions I needed prior to the remodel. Having more light, or more fresh air when they are open would have been an excellent argument for her…
Could have a waste oil boiler and pipe water to the house under ground. They make a special tube that has a supply and return insulated within one big pipe
I thought about that, but if I’m going to do that, I’d rather do a wood boiler, I’m already set up for firewood and I enjoy making firewood, so it’s a win win
Shop heater improvement - Hot air rises... Take your return air for the heater from the floor where it's coldest, you'll have less stratification occur and feel the warmth closer to the ground. Or, install a destratification fan on the ceiling to blow the warm air downward.
@@EverythingElliott Look for an air handler/A-coil from a heat pump or AC unit. They have a good quality squirrel cage circulating fan that gets pitched when the coil springs a leak. Make a trunk line from ductboard to feed the fan on the other end of your shop with the fan discharge at floor level.
So is it air assisted to the burner, its a common waste oil burner thing. I have about 5 county fair grounds i get used vegetable oil from. Its probably one of the most difficult things to run through a waste oil burner. Something to wach out for is engine oil blended with bio products, ive seen people have issues running that sorta oil. Veg oil is a flash point around 600F when its new from the store. For reference, D2 fuel is about 150F flash point. Pure biodiesel is around 250F . I find veg oil works best for long distance trips where your running for more then a hour down the road. As you need it heated to really run right.
I’ve honestly dumped everything in this and it has 0 issue burning anything, and I’ve never had to make adjustments. I’ve never run pure veggie oil as it’s always mixed in with some form of petroleum product so I can speak to how well it burns by itself.
I have a wood burning stove insert and was also going to install a duct system above the stove ducted to back bedrooms but I didnt want to climb in attic and I have forced air gas heating also, so I just ran the fan before bed time and it somewhat normalized the house.
Honestly, that duct with the inline fan was an excellent investment. It does an amazing job at leveling the heat in the home, and the fan is efficient and quiet.
We share the same struggles I’m in springville and on propane. 2014 4000.00 in cost to keep the house at 68 degrees. Went with a wood boiler, made sense for us. I was doing the same with totes full of wood till I found out I was bringing mice in.
What brand boiler did you go with? New or used? And we keep the house around the same at 68. As far as mice go, when I bring the tote to the door, if I find any mouse house I just throw it outside, if the mice come into the shop when I bring them in, they are quickly taken care of by Theodore the shop cat.
Look into energy logic or clean burn they offer a boiler we’re currently heating a 40-60 with a energy logic 140H does the job but can’t keep up when it’s really cold.. we’re looking into a boiler to heat the floors and run a line to the house to heat the baseboards
Unfortunately I don’t have radiant heat in my shop. I wasn’t forward thinking enough for that and I’m kicking myself for that now. Having one heat source for both the house and shop would have been ideal.
Any tank would benefit from a valve at each end. Tilt down on one end and use that to drain off water and contaminants. Pull your fuel from the other higher end valve.
Nice setup on home/shop heating. I heated for years with just wood. No excuses! you have the tractor to move the wood several times except the last move is manual. You say you burn a lot of wood so think about how long it take you to unload a tote of wood (x) all heating season. It's unacceptable for you not to have french doors to just set the wood inside and be done. I'm sure she wants you to do other things for her and this just takes more time away from accomplishing that. I have wanted to do something similar to you for years now. I work on huge generators for a living. some of these generators I get 110 gallons of gently used oil a day. I haven't decided if I want to build my own like (Karl's Off Road) of buy one from a company like Central Boilers Classic CL 4030, CL 5036 and CL 6048 which does wood/LPG/NG/oil. These Beckett oil burners can be easily converted to run on waste oil. They are pricey though! I could however heat my 2100 sq ft house and shop for essentially for free.
The problem with those home made drip style stoves is they can’t be left unattended as they can run away if you’re not monitoring. You could convert a Beckett fuel oil burner, and that’s what I’d recommend if you’re not going to be present while it’s running.
I’ve honestly never had an issue, I’ve got a couple shops that don’t burn it and give me as much as I want, the trouble is getting it from them because they are open “bankers” hours and that’s also while I’m at work.
Already have one. We don’t really run it in the winter, I just feel it doesn’t heat efficiently…seems like it spends more time warming itself up than it does pumping warm air inside.
@@northernhumidor5615 Yeah, I guess i'm comparing it to the wood stove...if I didnt have the stove, it would probably do well enough, I'm just used to how much heat the stove puts out
U should make a stand for the bottom of the 55 Gallon drums so u can an pick it up easier with the fork lift or make a sling to pick up with the tractor
Was thinking the same at the beginning of the video, or maybe just strap them both down to a pallet to make them easier to load and unload and a little more stable during transit.
Great video. I have a question and a suggestion back your truck into your shop and use your A frame hoist unload the barrels . Question NUMBER 2 dose your garage smell like oil from the waste oil heater when it is on ?
I would have to rely on a lifting strap sinched around a barrel if I used the gantry crane, I think the forks are a better option. No my shop doesn't smell at all, the combustion chamber is completely separate of the heat exchanger, the fumes go out the chimney and you just get the warm air in the shop.
Greetings from Marilla. My nephew and brother also spend summers doing firewood so they can take winter off. Are there any fumes/odors generated from the oil burning process? Your home heating processes seem very efficient congrats. Stay safe and warm.
The unit burns around 2 gallons per hour of furnace run time. So if it was running non stop, that would last me around 50 hours. How long will it actually heat my shop? That depends on a lot of factors, what temp Do I have the thermostat at, what’s the temp outside that it’s fighting…too many factors to give you an actual estimation.
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Love your walls !!!!! omg Great Video, Seen a Video on youtube once where a guy had a outdoor boiler that would burn the wood and heat multiple buildings Stay warm My Fellow 716er
I’ve been seriously considering a outdoor wood boiler, just to cut down on the mess in the house, we will see if I can get my wife to Sign off on the invoice cuz boy are they expensive
@@EverythingElliott Yea I've seen that, I can be your camera man Heck were in the same Area Code :D A Was Also thinking Insulation wise for your garage, What about those Rolls that look like Tin Foil Bubble Wrap
Well, the totes are covered, and technically speaking, the first time I handle the wood is when I take it out of the tote and bring it in the house! But I like the way he’s thinking!
I've used trans fluid in limited quantities...never enough to know if its better or worse because it just mixes with oil. I imagine they have a tough time getting rid of it, I'll start hitting them up for some oil, thanks for the tip.
In my state, you can’t have firewood as your primary heat source. So I have to keep it. Especially if we go on vacation, we can set the fuel oil boiler to a temp and it’ll hold that temp. If we go on vacation I would need someone to come feed the wood boiler. I am considering replacing my insert with a wood boiler, so we would no longer use the insert and just feed the boiler outside instead.
@@EverythingElliott since it's just a hot water loop essentially. Couldn't you plum the pipes so you could have a bypass and switch between the oil boiler and the wood boiler.
Get a wooden pallet, put it in the bed of the truck, and place the barrels on it. To unload the truck just pick the pallet up with the tractor. Reduce some of the manual effort.
that's an excellent comment...I usually let them just do their thing and I walk away, but maybe I wont anymore. I'm always amazed how 6 or so PSI causes the steel barrels to bulge, you'd think it would take a lot more than that.
I hauled fuel for almost 25 years. Only one tank was in the basement like yours. Not a fan of them. If they leak it goes into a floor drain, if there is one. Knowing when they are full relying on a whistle fill that didn’t always work properly.
Notice how new my tank is? That’s because the old one developed a leak one night and dumped around 150gal of fuel on my basement floor. It was a NIGHTMARE.
@@andreash.9615 The problem with this house, is its 2x4 built not 2x6 built. It has the best r rating fiberglass insulation I can get for it...I put it all in when I gutted the house when we moved in. If it had 2x6 construction Id be able to get a much higher R value.
@EverythingElliott oh right, that really sucks. They have insulation that goes on the outside of buildings here in Europe, dunno if that's a thing over there
@@andreash.9615 you can put 1/2" (around 12mm) foam board on the outside of your house, under the siding. I plan to do that once I reside my house (which needs to be done in the next couple years) no sense in pulling off the siding now, insulating and putting the old siding back up.
Gosh ... that's still a LOT of work! Luckily you're young. I hope as you get older, you have an option to move into a home with natural gas heat home so you can eliminate the work of cutting wood, loading it into containers, storing containers, then transferring all that wood into your home just to keep the place cumfy cozy. Not to mention the storage needed for the containers. That Waste oil furnace is nice, but then again, a lot of work.
I'm not sure I have the electronic know how to build an outdoor wood boiler...between thermostats running fans and dampeners...might be a little out of my league. The Physical boiler itself doesn't scare me, its all the electronic accessories.
I use to do all this too. Then I got smarter. And yes I live in western New York. I went to solar now I heat and ac my shop - and house. Then I bought an electric car. So I drive for free too. Invest in solar. You will be happy .
@ if you or your wife work for some one meaning not self employed half the cost is covered by the state and federal tax rebates. And if you were spending $5,000 for one year to heat with oil it would just from that be paid off in 6 years. I highly doubt. You’re moving out that soon. Besides adds value to your house. Next person would gladly pay more for a net zero house vs a house that you brake your back on 🤷♂️
Burning used oil is extremly illegal here in EU. Why dont you use a (dont know the english words for it) rockheat or groundheating systems? Its very cheap and low maintenance
Strange that it’s illegal, what do you guys do with it? “Recycle” it? I think when you say ground heat what you’re referring to is geothermal heat…if that’s correct, it’s very expensive here. I looked into getting it done, and to set up the system for my house it was going to be around $50,000USD for the system.
@EverythingElliott yeah we recycle it since its really bad for the enviroment. Wow thats hefty, here in sweden we can get a heatingsystem that take the heat from ground/rock/lake for around 10-15k with the everything included. A airpump costs about 2-4k but its not as effective. All of those systems heat the waterfilled radiators.
If I were moving it by hand, I would completely agree with you, but having them in the IBC totes and using the tractor takes all the hard work out of it. Plus I usually go hop on the tractor with my son to move them around and he enjoys the seat time, so I dont mind.
Holy crap. $75 a day in diesel to heat your house? That's over $2000 a month! I have a 5 ton ac/heat pump. In Florida. Ny house is 3000 sq ft The hottest month is Aug at 95 degrees avg. My electric is never over $300 a month. The coldest month is Jan. The Heat pump runs 24/7. Electric bill is never higher that $175. And that includes 2 80 gal electric water heaters, a pool pump and automatic irrigation system. You may want to rethink your energy strategies.
You have to consider the heating differences though. So you’re cooling from 95 to let’s say 70 which is a difference of 25 degrees. Where as I’m heating from 0 degrees to 70 degrees which is 70 degrees. That’s a much larger temperature difference and would require A lot more energy. Things are just a little bit different up here in the north. I use a heat pump for AC in the summer where I average 90 degrees and bring it down to 70 And it works very well for that.
Not everyone lives in an HOA! Not everywhere do you need a permit to build a campfire, yard sale,lemonade stand. Nobody is asking for permission. A free man don't ask for permission!
Your wife should've listened to you about the double doors. If you become incapacitated physically for any reason during winter, who does the manual work?
And I've tried that, but she does a terrible job...probably on purpose. Same as when she asks me to fold laundry, I just do it so poorly, she never asks me again.
He didn't put in double doors because his wife didn't want double doors and she isn't packing wood. Obviously she uses her muel to get wood in the house!
I looked into it when I had my well worked on a couple years ago, because that company provides the install. They quoted me $60,000 and that’s just too much for me to even consider.
@@EverythingElliott right! you were saying $3bucks an hour for diesel. now thats nuts. $5k for the season is crazy. I do love your set up. I hope to get a set up like that too one day.
Because it won’t run in my truck, tractor and excavator, well, it probably would…but not super healthy for those engines. I have one transfer tank and I pull fuel for all That stuff including my house out of it, more simple to keep 1 fuel type in it rather than constantly switching between fuels.
Why would anyone use kerosene that costs (depending on the region) 1 to 2 dollars EXTRA per gallon for less BTUs per gallon than heating oil in a boiler with a gun burner made to burn #2 fuel oil and #2 diesel?
I’ve got a very similar setup. Waste oil boiler heated slab shop and wood stove and heating oil furnace in the house. Even got the tote cages, white obs F350 and tractor with snow thrower. It’s nice to see I’m not the only one doing it this way.
Great minds think alike!
I enjoyed your video much, you are easy to listen to. Good content for any home owner.
I watch many video's about alternate heating. One of the most interesting of late is "Sand Batteries". Looks like the waste oil burner is your most cost effective heater. Might be worth transferring some of the shop heat to your house. I am imagining a "Heater building" between your house and shop with a thermal Battery, "Sand" to capture and transfer the heat.
I’ve read up a little on those sand batteries, they seem efficient for a small space, but I don’t think they would work well to transfer heat to a larger space such as a home. You also need a very efficient way to heat them
Up.
In the 90s the oil change I worked for installed a waste oil heater. Worked mostly great the first year but had 3 major flaws: 1) once a week needed to drain water from the bottom of the holding tank (try getting rid of oil contaminated water), 2) the oil was preheated prior to consumption within the injection nozzle that would coke up (I reworked it by building a different mouse trap), 3) like an oil furnace it was ignited by a constant spark using great amounts of electricity. Owners still liked it as it lowered the use of the infer-red heater by 50%. Located 5 minutes north of Syracuse NY. I like the ducting from insert room to other parts of the house. For the garage you can create something with ducting from Lowe's or Home Depot.
I can see those being an issue, and have experienced some of that on my old unit, but this new one has almost 1000 hours of run time on it with 0 problems. And I’ve only drained water out of the tank once. Helps when you are getting good oil.
I have seen a design where no continuous ignitions is required, a heated plate is placed inside the firebox, waste oil is added drop wise onto the heated plate, put fins on the plate to direct air then blast with blower to create a vortex, turn up the oil to keep the plate hot, it will sustain combustion. but the plate does need the energy to be heated to nearly red hot.
I’m in NW Wisconsin and I heat my small rambler exclusively with wood I scrounge for, it’s easy here to find enough wood but I only use a full cord and a lot of scrap wood I collect throughout the year to heat the house. I just got a nice donation of logged red oak and hard maple from a construction company building a cell tower down the road, I’ll get about 6 full cords from it. Subbed.
sounds like youve got a pretty good system going on. I havent paid for logs in a couple years, everything I get, I get for free. I've got a set of log bunks I made for my trailer so it's easy peasy to pick up free logs.
Good explanation of your heating systems 👍 Smart having more than one in your home 😊
The state requires it actually, firewood can’t legally be your primary source of heat.
@@EverythingElliott good law I guess, insurance companies require it here although no restrictions on firewood being the primary but premiums are slightly higher if firewood is primary.
I enjoyed this video format, You just doing whatever. Keep it up. Great video.
I appreciate it, I just want to share my experiences.
@ I enjoy your channel for your personality. I'm sure others do as well.
I know exactly what you're saying. I am down the road in Oswego. I have a stone fireplace, and I put a wood stove insert in it about 20 years ago. Paid for itself many times over. I still use about a tank and a half of oil. Suburban just delivered 170 gallons, $940.00. I have a 50 gal. Transfer tank. I have been thinking about going over to diesel.
Not sure how far you are from the Onadaga Rez, but it might be a good option for you...I used to fill up my 100 gal transfer tank and two 55 gallon drums of diesel at the rez and bring them home when I had a 500 gal tank in my basement. Just dont get caught by the DOT hauling drums of diesel fuel haha
@EverythingElliott
I am about 40 miles from the rez. I know all about DOT. I had my cdl since 93, drove haz mat delivery for 10 years.!
Stay warm. Enjoying your videos.
Thanks, will do!
Hope you got at least a day of heat from my waste oil! Thanks again for taking it.
Happy to take it, I'm sure your contribution is already gone, at 2 gal an hour of furnace time, it goes quick...
I'm posting this comment before I have read all of the others, please forgive me if it's already been mentioned. You could hang a ceiling fan (or two) in the shop to help even out the temperature. Great video and greetings from north central Ohio.
I have 3 fans mounted to the ceiling. When I have them on, sometimes the air feels colder than when they aren’t running.
My grandfather tied his baseboard heat into his fireplace via a grate made out of steel pipe. He put a switch on it so that he could turn it on when there was a fire going and turn it off when there wasn’t so you weren’t sending heat up the chimney when there was no fire. I have a mobile home down draft oil furnace mounted on the second floor of my shop that I run off diesel fuel. Burns about 5 gals in an 8 hour day but I only run it when I’m in the shop.
That's a great idea...however in my space, I dont think I could make the connection from my fireplace to the baseboard heat in a way that my wife would approve of...
i heat my shop and an old house with waste oil . vintage siegler oil (fuel oil or kero) heater in each , original carbs modified to flow the thicker wmo . oil pre heater made from disposable propane torch tank , water heater thermostat , and incandescent bulb , in military ammo can w/insulation added . i pick up 4 to 6 buckets of water free oil from a service station on my way between my home and shop once a week . i just force the oil thru a car filter and use it . have to shut down about 1 hour each day for cooling and cleanout of burn chambers , about 10 minutes of dirty work .
Sounds like a lot of work to be honest, but that being said you get to heat the house for free…
Love that insert great way to heat !!
It works well, but an outdoor wood boiler would be even better!
Building a hybrid stove for the garage. Currently its an old lopi wood burner but i am going to drill a hole in the top and use a dosing pump to drip oil onto the wood fire. This is a very old school trick with a modern (dose pump) touch. Stove will consume a fraction of the wood normally and i dont have to pay to get rid of my old oil. The house has a modern lopi woodstove that is high efficiency.
I’ve seen a couple guys do that. My wife would
Never allow me to bring waste oil into the house haha
I live on the West Coast north of Seattle in the Puget Sound. My employer burns waste oil and anything else that burn and fit into an outdoor boiler.
Seems to be a pretty popular option. I should really start looking into ine
Outdoor boiler should be in your future purchase. Maybe a manufacturer of one can sponsor your channel!
That would be the best case scenario…I’ve been researching them pretty heavily lately
I saw the video you did where you added insulation to your metal building. However I see that the ribs are still steel. You may want to do something about that. Even just air infiltration from the joints can cause severe heat loss. There are several options.
tape over the joint
Add rigid foam over the bare metal, then tape foam to foam.
Get a froth pack, and spray foam 1/2 to 1 inch of foam over just the ribs. Home depot has the froth pack in stock for around $430 for 400 board feet. Canned foam is about 3x the cost. The froth pack also has a fan nozzle for area coverage. You could probably get around 800 linear feet out of one kit. This would probably be fastest and the most bang for your buck. The drawback is that it needs the surface to heat up to over 50F when you apply it or it falls off a week later (it happened to me). You could probably warm it up near the heater and work out from there. After you do one kit it will be easy to tell if you need another and if it made a difference.
Just paint it, brush or roller, at the joint and over the metal. Anything is helpful, but a silicone roofing paint will be the best to inhibit thermal transfer. A 5 gallon bucket is around $100, and willl cover around 1200 square feet, or 2400 linear feet in a 6 inch wide strip. in that section of the store they have a mop paint brush that makes applying it a breeze. I applied it to the top of a flat roof (shipping container) it may drip if you apply it to the inside of your roof.
Of course there are other options too.
You may also want to insulate the slab. Dig down next to the slab a few inches below dirt level around the perimeter, add rigid insulation, then back fill. It will keep you from loosing as much heat from the slab. Foamed construction adhesive makes sticking rigid insulation in place a breeze.
It would also be easier to do all of this stuff in the summer.
good luck.
I got factory seconds insulation from insulationdepot. It was about 20% of retail. There were imperfections... Some weren't cut square, some had voids, some had a chunk taken out of the corner, but none of that detracted from my primary use of insulating shipping containers. I used a froth pack around the problems, and usually trimmed 9 inches off of one end. There are other sources of recycled insulation, and it is usually as good as new, and much cheaper. I had 8 4ft stacks delivered, and have 3 still remaining to put up. The ones I got were 3.5 to 2.25 inches thick polyiso, paper and fiberglass faced.
Those are some outstanding recommendations. As of right now, I’m ok with how things are working out, once I hit the powerball I’m planning on having the entire thing spray foamed. So I’m just telling myself this foam board is temporary
Great video! Switching it up is interesting! I'm a follower in Finger lakes area - NY
Fantastic video. Just a comment about your domestic situation. You should have suggested to your wife that you wanted to to put French doors in to let more light in and help with heat from sunlight in the winter and not mentioned the wood idea. She might have gone for the doors. And then you can suggest the next phase. Do it in stages. Then at least you could have wheeled your bin of wood to the pile to unload even if she said no to you storing the bin there. Love the heating systems
Its all in the salesmanship
For me I would have insisted on an easier way. His wife should realize that it takes a lot of her husbands labor to unnecessarily transfer the wood inside. If she was willing to come out and stack 50% of the wood then ok. I heated with wood for many years. You only want to move wood as little as possible.
See, these are the suggestions I needed prior to the remodel. Having more light, or more fresh air when they are open would have been an excellent argument for her…
Could have a waste oil boiler and pipe water to the house under ground. They make a special tube that has a supply and return insulated within one big pipe
I thought about that, but if I’m going to do that, I’d rather do a wood boiler, I’m already set up for firewood and I enjoy making firewood, so it’s a win win
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A buddy of mine just installed a wood fire boiler…..about 15,000….lot of money!
Shop heater improvement - Hot air rises... Take your return air for the heater from the floor where it's coldest, you'll have less stratification occur and feel the warmth closer to the ground. Or, install a destratification fan on the ceiling to blow the warm air downward.
That’s actually a brilliant idea. And it would probably heat a lot more efficiently
That way as well. I will look into that, thank you
@@EverythingElliott Look for an air handler/A-coil from a heat pump or AC unit. They have a good quality squirrel cage circulating fan that gets pitched when the coil springs a leak. Make a trunk line from ductboard to feed the fan on the other end of your shop with the fan discharge at floor level.
I just run a ceiling fan backwards and vary the speed to get the results I need.
So is it air assisted to the burner, its a common waste oil burner thing.
I have about 5 county fair grounds i get used vegetable oil from.
Its probably one of the most difficult things to run through a waste oil burner.
Something to wach out for is engine oil blended with bio products, ive seen people have issues running that sorta oil.
Veg oil is a flash point around 600F when its new from the store. For reference, D2 fuel is about 150F flash point.
Pure biodiesel is around 250F
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I find veg oil works best for long distance trips where your running for more then a hour down the road. As you need it heated to really run right.
I’ve honestly dumped everything in this and it has 0 issue burning anything, and I’ve never had to make adjustments. I’ve never run pure veggie oil as it’s always mixed in with some form of petroleum product so I can speak to how well it burns by itself.
I have a wood burning stove insert and was also going to install a duct system above the stove ducted to back bedrooms but I didnt want to climb in attic and I have forced air gas heating also, so I just ran the fan before bed time and it somewhat normalized the house.
Honestly, that duct with the inline fan was an excellent investment. It does an amazing job at leveling the heat in the home, and the fan is efficient and quiet.
What do you do as your day job?….cool video, nice heat set ups!
I work for a local transportation company. And thank you!
We share the same struggles I’m in springville and on propane. 2014 4000.00 in cost to keep the house at 68 degrees. Went with a wood boiler, made sense for us. I was doing the same with totes full of wood till I found out I was bringing mice in.
What brand boiler did you go with? New or used? And we keep the house around the same at 68. As far as mice go, when I bring the tote to the door, if I find any mouse house I just throw it outside, if the mice come into the shop when I bring them in, they are quickly taken care of by Theodore the shop cat.
Get you an outdoor wood Boiler with a backup oil heat and put a waste oil burner in it
I’ve been considering an outdoor boiler, I should really start doing some research.
Let the wife freeze that will change her mind on the double doors in a hurry!
@@norb231 that will surely go well. NOT
@@lisabillannunziata6830 Its silly that you have to suffer with 3x the work , convince her someway:)
@@norb231 100%
Look into energy logic or clean burn they offer a boiler we’re currently heating a 40-60 with a energy logic 140H does the job but can’t keep up when it’s really cold.. we’re looking into a boiler to heat the floors and run a line to the house to heat the baseboards
Unfortunately I don’t have radiant heat in my shop. I wasn’t forward thinking enough for that and I’m kicking myself for that now. Having one heat source for both the house and shop would have been ideal.
Enjoyed watching! Very interesting Elliott!
Thanks for watching!
Nice Home and Property.
Thank you!
Any tank would benefit from a valve at each end. Tilt down on one end and use that to drain off water and contaminants. Pull your fuel from the other higher end valve.
That’s a fantastic idea, I’ll have to check the other side of the tank to see if there is a bung I can put a valve on.
Nice setup on home/shop heating. I heated for years with just wood. No excuses! you have the tractor to move the wood several times except the last move is manual. You say you burn a lot of wood so think about how long it take you to unload a tote of wood (x) all heating season. It's unacceptable for you not to have french doors to just set the wood inside and be done. I'm sure she wants you to do other things for her and this just takes more time away from accomplishing that.
I have wanted to do something similar to you for years now. I work on huge generators for a living. some of these generators I get 110 gallons of gently used oil a day. I haven't decided if I want to build my own like (Karl's Off Road) of buy one from a company like Central Boilers Classic CL 4030, CL 5036 and CL 6048 which does wood/LPG/NG/oil. These Beckett oil burners can be easily converted to run on waste oil. They are pricey though! I could however heat my 2100 sq ft house and shop for essentially for free.
The problem with those home made drip style stoves is they can’t be left unattended as they can run away if you’re not monitoring. You could convert a Beckett fuel oil burner, and that’s what I’d recommend if you’re not going to be present while it’s running.
@@EverythingElliott Yes definitely something with safeties intact and could be left unattended.
Back a few years ago this was a good idea but now that so many shops are doing it, it is hard to get the oil anymore.
I’ve honestly never had an issue, I’ve got a couple shops that don’t burn it and give me as much as I want, the trouble is getting it from them because they are open “bankers” hours and that’s also while I’m at work.
Have you considered a heat pump instead of the fuel furnace? They can run to -30 Celsius. Plus you get a/c in the summer.
Already have one. We don’t really run it in the winter, I just feel it doesn’t heat efficiently…seems like it spends more time warming itself up than it does pumping warm air inside.
@ really? I have one in my 2000 sq/ft shop and find it heats fairly well up to about minus 20. But I also use a pellet stove most of the time
@@northernhumidor5615 Yeah, I guess i'm comparing it to the wood stove...if I didnt have the stove, it would probably do well enough, I'm just used to how much heat the stove puts out
How about an air to water heat pump for the house? You must spend a crazy amount of time handling firewood
U should make a stand for the bottom of the 55 Gallon drums so u can an pick it up easier with the fork lift or make a sling to pick up with the tractor
I’ve thought about it, but the forks seem to work fine for how often I’m unloading barrels.
Was thinking the same at the beginning of the video, or maybe just strap them both down to a pallet to make them easier to load and unload and a little more stable during transit.
Why not put pallets on top of your wood bins, that way you can use your tractor forks pick it up to remove the snow.
@ Thats a great idea...
Great video. I have a question and a suggestion back your truck into your shop and use your A frame hoist unload the barrels . Question NUMBER 2 dose your garage smell like oil from the waste oil heater when it is on ?
I would have to rely on a lifting strap sinched around a barrel if I used the gantry crane, I think the forks are a better option. No my shop doesn't smell at all, the combustion chamber is completely separate of the heat exchanger, the fumes go out the chimney and you just get the warm air in the shop.
Greetings from Marilla. My nephew and brother also spend summers doing firewood so they can take winter off. Are there any fumes/odors generated from the oil burning process? Your home heating processes seem very efficient congrats. Stay safe and warm.
No fumes from the oil furnace, it’s pretty efficient, and the combustion chamber is completely separate of the heat exchanger
Great video
Thanks for watching!
Have you looked into a barrel clamp for the tractor
I haven’t really, but probably should. Do they also rotate? That way I could use gravity to empty the barrel rather than the pneumatic pump?
Nice!
Thanks!
Hi Elliott I’m the guy you got the oil from Nick I’m glad it worked out for you just wondering how long will 100 gallons heat your shop roughly?
The unit burns around 2 gallons per hour of furnace run time. So if it was running non stop, that would last me around 50 hours. How long will it actually heat my shop? That depends on a lot of factors, what temp
Do I have the thermostat at, what’s the temp outside that it’s fighting…too many factors to give you an actual estimation.
They do raidiant floor burners too. Or maybe that was another company. Any who, enjoyed the video for sure my man. Have a great one
They sure do make boilers! Thought about hooking one of those to my house as well, but at that point I'd rather get an outdoor wood boiler.
That duct work and hangers are surrisingly simple. a few hours of work
For someone with the experience, probably, I don’t know what size it should be to match the Cfm and what size to neck it down to after every register
Thanks for the Tips Elliot, mate what was the remote (Bot) yellow and black contraption you had sitting out the front of your shop ? looks interesting
It's called a Yarbo, its a robotic snowblower and lawn mower... I just got it so I haven't tried out the mowing yet, but check this out: ua-cam.com/video/JVe679EVijM/v-deo.html
I do the same--- except I use a pellet stove insert instead of wood stove.
I considered that, but the firewood is free, and I would have to purchase the pellets.
does the fire place have a damper,, slow down the burn .. ?
It sure does and I use it all the time
A deep efficiency insulation refit would be another option
One day when I hit the powerball its getting 4" of closed cell spray foam.
Does that unit produce an aroma (stink of oil). You do you sir and I'll bet we (your subscribers) will watch. Stay safe.
No it doesn’t, the burning chamber and exhaust is completely separate of the heat exchanger, just pure warm air comes out
Love your walls !!!!! omg Great Video, Seen a Video on youtube once where a guy had a outdoor boiler that would burn the wood and heat multiple buildings Stay warm My Fellow 716er
I’ve been seriously considering a outdoor wood boiler, just to cut down on the mess in the house, we will see if I can get my wife to
Sign off on the invoice cuz boy are they expensive
@@EverythingElliott Yea I've seen that, I can be your camera man Heck were in the same Area Code :D A Was Also thinking Insulation wise for your garage, What about those Rolls that look like Tin Foil Bubble Wrap
@ I have it "mostly" insulated with 2" foam board...I just havent gotten to the areas where I need to empty and disassemble all of my shelving.
My 7 year old said " why doesn't he just cover his woodpile and he won't have to handle it twice" 😂
Well, the totes are covered, and technically speaking, the first time I handle the wood is when I take it out of the tote and bring it in the house! But I like the way he’s thinking!
a friend had a shop with the same oil burner he said trans fluid was real good ,, find a trans shop to get it !!
I've used trans fluid in limited quantities...never enough to know if its better or worse because it just mixes with oil. I imagine they have a tough time getting rid of it, I'll start hitting them up for some oil, thanks for the tip.
You should get rid of the oil boiler and do a wood boiler. That'd be much more efficient and keep your house at a more consistent temperature
How so?
In my state, you can’t have firewood as your primary heat source. So I have to keep it. Especially if we go on vacation, we can set the fuel oil boiler to a temp and it’ll hold that temp. If we go on vacation I would need someone to come feed the wood boiler. I am considering replacing my insert with a wood boiler, so we would no longer use the insert and just feed the boiler outside instead.
@@EverythingElliott since it's just a hot water loop essentially. Couldn't you plum the pipes so you could have a bypass and switch between the oil boiler and the wood boiler.
You got all the new gadgets you may as well get a barrel hauler that attaches to your forks.
The problem is, I’m out of places to
Store all my gizmos and gadgets…my wife thinks our yard is the set of Sanford and Son
@@EverythingElliottyou need some more 40 foot containers
Get a wooden pallet, put it in the bed of the truck, and place the barrels on it. To unload the truck just pick the pallet up with the tractor. Reduce some of the manual effort.
I’ve done that a couple times, problem is, the barrels are less stable on the pallet going down the road.
Be very Careful using that harbour freight "barrel Pump"! I've seen the regulator go bad on those and explode a drum.
that's an excellent comment...I usually let them just do their thing and I walk away, but maybe I wont anymore. I'm always amazed how 6 or so PSI causes the steel barrels to bulge, you'd think it would take a lot more than that.
I hauled fuel for almost 25 years. Only one tank was in the basement like yours. Not a fan of them. If they leak it goes into a floor drain, if there is one. Knowing when they are full relying on a whistle fill that didn’t always work properly.
Notice how new my tank is? That’s because the old one developed a leak one night and dumped around 150gal of fuel on my basement floor. It was a NIGHTMARE.
Seems like you might want to look into upgrading your insulation if you haven't already
In the house, or the shop?
@EverythingElliott the house! I heard you mention the lack of insulation in the shop :D
@@andreash.9615 The problem with this house, is its 2x4 built not 2x6 built. It has the best r rating fiberglass insulation I can get for it...I put it all in when I gutted the house when we moved in. If it had 2x6 construction Id be able to get a much higher R value.
@EverythingElliott oh right, that really sucks. They have insulation that goes on the outside of buildings here in Europe, dunno if that's a thing over there
@@andreash.9615 you can put 1/2" (around 12mm) foam board on the outside of your house, under the siding. I plan to do that once I reside my house (which needs to be done in the next couple years) no sense in pulling off the siding now, insulating and putting the old siding back up.
Gosh ... that's still a LOT of work! Luckily you're young. I hope as you get older, you have an option to move into a home with natural gas heat home so you can eliminate the work of cutting wood, loading it into containers, storing containers, then transferring all that wood into your home just to keep the place cumfy cozy. Not to mention the storage needed for the containers. That Waste oil furnace is nice, but then again, a lot of work.
The waste oil furnace is certainly less word than the wood stove...but you're right, one day I will hopefully own a home with natural gas.
Build an outdoor boiler and skip the diesel boiler.
I'm not sure I have the electronic know how to build an outdoor wood boiler...between thermostats running fans and dampeners...might be a little out of my league. The Physical boiler itself doesn't scare me, its all the electronic accessories.
I see guys with heatpumps in garage. And they have NG 50’ away at house. WHY no gas furnace?
Not sure, I don’t even have the availability of NG. It’s not even on my road…
I dont miss W NY winters on bit. Chautauqua county is beautiful but the winters sucked
Oh you ain’t kidding, however, I’ll take snow over hurricanes, tornados, and forest fires…
@@EverythingElliott Only forest fires here in Id. 😃
Why not put your barrels on a pallet in your truck? It would be so much easier to unload them?
I’ve done that before, but the barrels don’t ride in the truck as well on pallets.
@EverythingElliott I'd make it work. We're not getting any younger 😉
I use to do all this too. Then I got smarter. And yes I live in western New York. I went to solar now I heat and ac my shop - and house. Then I bought an electric car. So I drive for free too. Invest in solar. You will be happy .
I wouldn't pay off the cost of solar by the time I move out of this house...
@ if you or your wife work for some one meaning not self employed half the cost is covered by the state and federal tax rebates. And if you were spending $5,000 for one year to heat with oil it would just from that be paid off in 6 years. I highly doubt. You’re moving out that soon. Besides adds value to your house. Next person would gladly pay more for a net zero house vs a house that you brake your back on 🤷♂️
Burning used oil is extremly illegal here in EU. Why dont you use a (dont know the english words for it) rockheat or groundheating systems? Its very cheap and low maintenance
Strange that it’s illegal, what do you guys do with it? “Recycle” it? I think when you say ground heat what you’re referring to is geothermal heat…if that’s correct, it’s very expensive here. I looked into getting it done, and to set up the system for my house it was going to be around $50,000USD for the system.
@EverythingElliott yeah we recycle it since its really bad for the enviroment. Wow thats hefty, here in sweden we can get a heatingsystem that take the heat from ground/rock/lake for around 10-15k with the everything included. A airpump costs about 2-4k but its not as effective. All of those systems heat the waterfilled radiators.
You totally move wood around way too many times you need to simplify your process. I realize you have a tractor bought way too much handling of wood.
If I were moving it by hand, I would completely agree with you, but having them in the IBC totes and using the tractor takes all the hard work out of it. Plus I usually go hop on the tractor with my son to move them around and he enjoys the seat time, so I dont mind.
Holy crap. $75 a day in diesel to heat your house? That's over $2000 a month!
I have a 5 ton ac/heat pump. In Florida. Ny house is 3000 sq ft
The hottest month is Aug at 95 degrees avg. My electric is never over $300 a month. The coldest month is Jan. The Heat pump runs 24/7. Electric bill is never higher that $175. And that includes 2 80 gal electric water heaters, a pool pump and automatic irrigation system. You may want to rethink your energy strategies.
You have to consider the heating differences though. So you’re cooling from 95 to let’s say 70 which is a difference of 25 degrees. Where as I’m heating from 0 degrees to 70 degrees which is 70 degrees. That’s a much larger temperature difference and would require
A lot more energy. Things are just a little bit different up here in the north. I use a heat pump for AC in the summer where I average 90 degrees and bring it down to 70
And it works very well for that.
Waste oil heat is illegal in some states.
Nobody needs to worry about what is "illegal" only what is unlawful. Please learn the difference in those two words before commenting in the future.
That’s news to me.
Not everyone lives in an HOA! Not everywhere do you need a permit to build a campfire, yard sale,lemonade stand. Nobody is asking for permission. A free man don't ask for permission!
Something is wrong with your boiler system if you are burning that much oil! That is crazy!
Nope that’s the spec’d rating for my boiler, says it right on the side of the unit: .75-1 gallon per hour of run time.
Elliott "Wood is not the only thing I use" that didn't sound right.
Giggity giggity
Your wife should've listened to you about the double doors. If you become incapacitated physically for any reason during winter, who does the manual work?
I said that to her, her response "I'll just call noco and pay for home heating fuel"
She would be staking the wood.
And I've tried that, but she does a terrible job...probably on purpose. Same as when she asks me to fold laundry, I just do it so poorly, she never asks me again.
@EverythingElliott
Sounds like my wife of 43 years. Good luck.
That is what we call a gun burner
Can't say I've ever heard that term before.
That PVC on the oil tank fill and vent is a recipe for disaster. It should be 2" threaded black or galvanized.
The 200 gallons I dump into it per year at 8GPM...it wont be an issue. It doesn't get filled by a fuel truck at 30-50 gpm
Happy wife happy life 😅😂
words to live by!
Check out ranching sodak he heats his house with waste oil.
I'll have to check it out!
Sooo why didn't you just install the double doors to save all the labor and time spent trying to keep your family warm???
Because happy wife, happy life...
@EverythingElliott one of the reasons husbands die early.
I understand “happy wife happy life” but I would have her out with me stacking wood she might have a different outlook
@@EverythingElliottthen wifey can help out stacking wood so she understands why you would want the double doors.
Happy wife, sore back
I'm in Central NY, stoking my woodstove while watching your video 😂
Sounds like a nice relaxing night!
He didn't put in double doors because his wife didn't want double doors and she isn't packing wood. Obviously she uses her muel to get wood in the house!
Maybe she’s the smartest one in the room and we don’t even know it…
geothermal.. You have the property
I looked into it when I had my well worked on a couple years ago, because that company provides the install. They quoted me $60,000 and that’s just too much for me to even consider.
what a huge pain in the ass to do all that work. LOL
It sure is...but its either that, or take out a second mortgage to have the fuel company drop off home heating fuel...
@@EverythingElliott right! you were saying $3bucks an hour for diesel. now thats nuts. $5k for the season is crazy. I do love your set up. I hope to get a set up like that too one day.
If it cost me 5k to heat my house I'd move
You’re probably not the only one that would feel that way.
@EverythingElliott I'm just spoiled living in the south 😂
The question should have been put to your wife as, "can i put large doors on here so i can bring the whole skid inside or, do you want to stack it?"
Wish I woulda phrased it like that. Guess I gotta be quicker on my feet.
LMAO
Why aren't you using ULS Kerosene?
Because it won’t run in my truck, tractor and excavator, well, it probably would…but not super healthy for those engines. I have one transfer tank and I pull fuel for all
That stuff including my house out of it, more simple to keep 1 fuel type in it rather than constantly switching between fuels.
Why would anyone use kerosene that costs (depending on the region) 1 to 2 dollars EXTRA per gallon for less BTUs per gallon than heating oil in a boiler with a gun burner made to burn #2 fuel oil and #2 diesel?