EV fires in car parks is a GENUINE risk, not "misinformation" | MGUY Australia
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EV's in car parks under apartments is the real danger.
absolutely
BEING SLIPSHOD AND HOODWINKED IS BAD TOO AO
It's only a matter of time, before there's a disaster with great loss of life. Like plastering buildings with inflammable material that then burns out the building, Grenville Tower. More lives will be lost in the pursuit of these insane doctrines. But to Communists, they're just cogs in the machine.
People like you are the real danger -
@@rumpoh8039turn off caps lock you muppet.
EVs should not be allowed on passenger car ferries.
Or the channel tunnel
Or Airport car parks
Just allowed at all
Or any tunnels for that fact
They're already getting banned from ferries.
I like how they've gone from 'zero emissions' to 'zero tailpipe emissions'.
Or " no local emissions ".
People are waking up .
specially considering EVs have no tailpipe
@@andyman8630the coal plant has a tailpipe...
@@ttkddry
yep!
'Please park your EV in that sand bunker over there.'
But they don’t want the EV’s on the golf course either ?
Comparing EV fires with ICE fires is like comparing nuclear explosions with a firework.
Nice one 😅
Love it.
A fire extinguisher for EVs fires must contain 5 tons of sand.
Ice fires can still be pretty problematic especially as if they are on slopes they tend to wander. Ev fires are by comparison usually quite slow and stay where they are. Just a bugger to actually extinguish if you don’t have the right training / equipment.
You do know a lot are fitted with LFP batteries, don't you? [No, you didn't....]
Sprinkler system upgrades.What a joke.May as well urinate over an EV in full thermal run away.
Made me laugh too. The fire doesn’t even go out if you submerge the darn thing!
I work in the heavy industry we have 4 pages of deadly chemicals list written in small letters and our own specialized fire brigade, they did an ev fire training recently they were told to throw one of those blankets above the vehicule to limit the gases and flame range then go away as there's nothing they can do, they must call a crane truck with a water tank which will lift the vehicle and dunk it in water
All you need is a bit more water and then alakazam, any potential fire has disappeared.
@@AlexanderDaGreat79along with anything in the vicinity
The sprinklers aren't there to put out the EV fire, they're there to slow the spread to the other vehicles whether they're ICE, EV, whatever.
Imagine being a person who is upset that a children's hospital is trying to prevent their car from potentially burning it to the ground.
*entitlement*
[ en-tahy-tl-muhnt ]
_noun_
1. the act of giving, or the state of having, a title, right, or claim to something:
2. the unjustified assumption that one has a right to certain advantages, preferential treatment, etc.
the real upsetting thing is dude having to wait 5 f'n years for an appointment for his kid.
@@Dratchev241 more likely 'needed' to wait 5 yrs until the kid was older. This headline is the clickbait and misinformation that the evangelists are apparently so outraged about.
Wait until the mass influx of cheapo Chinese EVs flood the world's markets. I'll be buying my toffee apples and sparklers to watch the firework spectacle.
I'm more upset at people who don't understand statistics lol
Building a lithium-ion EV battery should be regarded as an act of terrorism. EVs should be classified as WMDs.
We won't find any wmd's
Now watch this drive 🏒
(I couldn't find a golf emoji)
The sad fact is, that potentially they are. The probability of the CCP using them as WMD has in fact been raised on a creditable channel. Just think of the political power that would yield if China threatened to detonate all of the Chinese EV's in any given country. And Yes, technically it's very simple to do.
You really shouldn't put more ideas into those warped minds . I'll refrain from the explain .
There's the old cold war term ....fifth column or suchlike.
You know it's a full on scam when they try to label you as anti-something.
Too right. We saw that clearly with the Plan Demic.
Yes, and especially when the guy himself (Quentin Willson) has prior criminal convictions for fraud, and just recently another scam he was involved in was shut down by High Court!
Or a 'denier'.
@@CiderGuy
plannedemic
@@andyman8630 Scam Demic even. I find if I join the separate words it gets deleted. Seems I’m on a shadow banned list. 🙄😆
"Zero tailpipe emissions..." does that classify my ICE as "zero power grid emissions?"
fun fact my 350hp 400lbs/ft sportscar is rated D with a small 175g co2 pretty sure overall I'm polluting less than all those EVs considering I can go uphill a mountain in 6th gear at 1000rpm fine and do 317miles with 50l I'm starting to think car manufacturers removed turbos only to be cheap and that it bit them in the rear when they realized NA is inefficient as hell I'm checking what's available now and all I see are either hybrids or na cars with really bad energy ratings despite having less than half my hp
@@fredEVOIX Thank you for looking after the environment.
EVs cause remote emissions.
Sadly, your ICE wouldn't qualify for that. Significant amounts of electricity are used for refining petrol and diesel.
@@vinterskugge907 Yep, nearly as much as is used to refine lithium and plastics for EVs.
Strange the man could afford an expensive EV but couldn't afford a private specialist.
I guess some peoples' earth worship religion's environmental protection rules are more important to them than the health of their own children.
Indeed. Bupa costs a few hundred quid a month, I wonder how much he pays PCP (because they always do) on that car. People have fucked up priorities alright.
If he was serious about 'saving mother earth' he would catch a bus to the hospital.
government hand. outs
Maybe he bought an ex-lease EV after it's been decimated by depreciation.
I have owned and driven lots of ICE cars since I passed my driving test in1973. Not one of them has ever burst into flames.
I can imagine an EV driver writing a reply like the man writing about tall buildings in Monty Python.
"Dear sir, I have driven an EV for 3 years and never once has it....AAAAARGH!
The way I figure, most EV drivers are "lumberjacks". If you catch my drift.
No EV I've driven has bursted into flames either. Your point?
@@Luka_3D Have you been driving your EV since 1973?
@@bradgooner3284 Why would I drive a car whose safety rating is as reassuring as a parachute made of toilet paper?
Quentin Wilson has become a complete, sanctimonious pr1ck. His views on EVs define the term 'zealot'.
With the huge amount of money he is paid to push EVs, that is why, but he is still a sanctimonious pr1ck
I read a news article which said: "Quentin Willson describes himself as an EV evangelist."
He describes himself as one.
But Quentin is an Expert.... EX being a "has been" and "Spurt" being a drip under pressure. 😊
It's a virtue signalling cult .
Yeah but I'll bet his bank balance has never been healthier
EVangelists are always fun to read, their level of justification to save them from cognitive dissonance is extraordinary.
The level of cognitive dissonance is at the level of mental illness. Denying reality is not healthy in the long run.
much akin to religious Evangelists
EVangelists are a lot like Elon Muskovites; almost religious level unquestioning zealots. They desperately *want* to believe the electric gospel.
3 years driving an electric second hand gospel …. No fires, no loosing precious time chargi g in petrol stations… saving 300 dolars per month… no religion give me this…
Tbh you guys are on the same level as them with your understanding of statistics.
Comparing an ICE car fire to an EV fire is like comparing the flu to cancer.
Never a truer word spoken ! The EV is rapidly losing credence !! KEEP UP THE GOOD POSTS !!
and lies. God, I love listening to his lies.
Not soon enough. It still kills me that people would even consider buying an EV.
@@Ricky-mo6mv why? I can't see why buying an EV would do anything to you. Do you have a tragic backstory where an EV drove over your family or something?
@@biobuble1327 No. To put it plainly, it’s all about globalist corruption, limiting private transportation, and manipulating the world economic platform.
Not to mention it’s a nonsensical solution to an imaginary problem.
If Quentin Wilson told me that it was raining, I would go to the window to check.
🤣
He'd probably try to sell you an umbrella.
I’d already know he was lying as his lips would move.
If he told me it was raining I would not waste my energy going to the window as I know it’s a lie !
Quentin Wilson only says something if it conflicts with his income , he is paid to promote EV's , he is and has always been a clown
With an irritating smirk
Agreed & he looks like Dracula 😄
agreed. Slimeball!
I’ll bet if you check into his funds he’s heavily invested and realizes his life savings are about to evaporate along with a few other people hurry
He was pushing dodgy car warranty policies before this particular grift came along. 🤨
Ice cars don't randomly burst into flames. 20 years of being a mechanic zero fires.
Some did many years ago. There was a certain group of English fords that used poor quality rubber fuel lines routed above the distributor. You can guess the rest.
50 years of being a mechanic, 4 fire results dealt with, all were repairable.
I have been a firefighter in NSW for over 30 years. I have two comments:
1) While historically there have been more petrol powered car fires (because EVs didn't exist) from my experience 95% of those fire were deliberately lit. Very few have been due to a mechanical or electrical fault and you are correct when you say that these faults generally occur when the vehicle is operating on the road, not in a carpark.
2) Refueling of petrol powered vehicles takes place at service stations, not in a carpark of an apartment building like EVs.
I work for the same organisation as you and for 35 years. It is very rare that an ICE vehicle ignites due to a mechanical fault. Where I am stationed there are many mid rise residential/holiday premises with underground EV charging points and I have informed every one of them of the risk. They don’t seem too bothered about this as long as they have the facilities to generate more business. As you know sprinkler systems will do nothing with that amount of radiant heat. Good post 👍
I'll listen to the REAL FIRE SAFETY experts, thanks all the same.
. . NOT EVangelist shills
Real fire safety experts brand EVs as being totally safe. So let’s get on with it 👍🏻
As is scooter an ebike Lithium batteries.... They, kinna safe... Ishhhy...
That good enough...
Hardly.
@@caleroby9483 the difference between scooter and e-bike batteries is there is far less regulation and control to manufacture and distribution. It’s comparing apples to oranges.
@@Audioremedy0785 Fair enough. But you have to admit that 6,000+ cells leaves little safe room for a short in the typical EV car battery.
I'm for progress but only where the "push" is from a WELL tested and Determined SAFE technology.
Lithium is not that.
New battery tech is needed BADLY.
Not to mention the need for Safe Nuclear power generation to produce the MEGGGGA WATTS of power that will be needed.
I'm 100% for efficient Hybrids.
@@caleroby9483 I think there is always room for improvements when it comes to safety. However I would say there is a big difference between ‘room for improvement’ and something being ‘unsafe’. Issues with EVs are headline news that they are so rare. Worrying about EVs setting fire is like worrying about planes crashing. Yeah it happens. But you wouldn’t stop flying for it.
A car across the road from my house caught fire many years ago, the fire service put it out within seconds. It was parked inches from their house but caused no property damage, if it had been an EV the whole house would have burned down.
None
Or at the least the side closest to the fire would have had to be professionally cleaned. My dad was a fire chief for over a decade and most car fires were almost out by the time they arrived on scene and were out in a matter of minutes if they hadn't already burnt themselves out. EV fires are so much more violent and harder to extinguish.
Welcome to the future, where you'll spend one half of your time waiting for your car to charge and the other half waiting to see a doctor.
Your list did not include the toxic fumes released and the specialized breathing gear and suits to avoid skin contact.
How long until we see the commercials?
"Are you a current or former firefighter diagnosed with XYZ cancers after being exposed to the chemicals involved in containing EV batteries? You may be entitled to a settledment in the multibillion dollar classaction lawsuit against the U.S. Government and manufacturers of EV batteries for forcing a product onto society they knew in advance was incredibley dangerous and incredibley toxic"
@@borrisg4972 give it 15yrs
EV fires vs ICE fires.
Inextinguishable 🔥 vs hand held 🧯
I once witnessed an ICE catch fire in a parking lot. It took the fire department 15 to 20 minutes to get there, but they were still able to put it out with the built-in water tank of the fire truck.
On "Rescue Me" Leary's character sees a car crash in front of the station and walks up with an extinguisher and no other gear, a couple of puffs and it's out.
Also there are much more gas cars on the road then ev,s
And much older to. Just imagine a ten year old eva fire rate.
Most ICE fires are caused by electric faults.
Not only do sprinklers not work when EV batteries supply their own oxygen in runaway but the damn things are too heavy for multi-storey car parks!
I am starting to have a look at what type of car I am parking next to.
Congratulations on another myth. Have you looked at the weight of an SUV? Cars have been getting much heavier before the advent of EVs. Where is the ban on SUVs due to weight?
And the extra weight helps to ruin the roads faster
@@brendykes1202 You can't make your problem go away by pointing out that another problem exists. Yes, SUVs are too heavy, but EVs are just as heavy and provide none of the utility.
@@johnpublic6582 you mean MORE utility. Aside from long distance towing, name something EVs can’t do. Mine is better at almost everything, including camping & drag racing.
Citation needed for these statistics. ICE vehicles are burnt out after joy rides and theft. Maybe some in accidents, but how many just burn whilst parked?
Copium.
@@hansemannluchter643Translate to English: I don't want to see the data proving me right? Ironic. Remember to exhale.
all the ones burnt out after a joyride???
Not sure, wouldn't think it would be many?
@@hansemannluchter643 Ironic because your response is the literal copium.
I am a retired "Fire Systems Analyst". I know of no fire suppression system available at any price that could reliably protect a structure from total loss in the event of an EV fire in it's interior.
Fire blankets
@@Luka_3D In this context, a "fire suppression system" is one that is designed to automatically suppress a fire and protect the structure until manual fire fighting methods can be employed and the fire extinguished. A "fire blanket", in current parlance, is a specialized suppression tool used during manual firefighting of EV fires.
QW has lost all credibility & is now a joke.
QW looks a bit like Dracula to me 😁
Hes a paid shill.
Who is qw
@@lizard450Quentin Wilson
He is a journalist, what do you expect?
No matter how small the risk, it would be pretty epically stupid to delete a bunch of sick people in their beds because a Tesla battery went nuclear while the owner had a boil removed.
🤣🤣🤣
Tesla owners have things so backwards I wouldn't be surprised if they went in to get boils installed!
@@pistonburner6448 They're probably in there for whatever happens to you if you drink too much coffee and spend too long in service station toilets.
Good point!
That EV owner went to get second half of his brain removed, after the first operation he went out and bought an EV..
You, Sir, are performing an extremely important public information service. Thank you for your excellent content. You are making a real difference.
At some point, an EV fire is going to cause a mass casualty event.
And I don't want it to be in my Class 2 building, with 4 sleeping levels above the EV carparking/charging!
Yeah, then what will the Main Stream Media say.
if it happens, they'll blame everyone who owns an ICE car for "holding up EV development" or some other contrived nonsense besides the obvious actual reason.
Can sprinkler systems really put out an EV fire? I doubt it.
No..
Another commenter said this, it wouldn't be too put out the fire, but to limit the spread of the fire to other vehicles and EVs.
@@Ben31337l OK so the batteries are supposed to be great for us all, I wonder how much of a war crime it would be to load up a few bunker busters with batteries and let 'em fly?
Napalm, phosphorous... bat bombs.... nope the 1/2 ton cell from a Tesla that got wet.
No. It's like peeing on a huge bon-fire.
That's what I was thinking, if that's true and the temperatures reach 2,500C, I'd have thought the water would evaporate long before it reached the flames. Might stop it spreading I guess.
The extreme weight of EV's is a big problem for parking structures as well.
The top selling ev’s: how is a 1.9 ton Model Y so different to a 1.9 ton Hyundai Santa Fe? How is a 1.6 ton Model 3 so different to a 1.6 ton Toyota Camry? Far and away the bigger weight gain is the trend toward big 4WDs
@@peejayem4700 agreed but they are still harder on tyres, I've read
You mean more torque that destroy tires?
@@kezzatries and harder on roads.
@@stefanth8596🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 no info available on bhp ( yes I know its measured in kw) cos no-one wants to put it on a rolling road to PROVE performance
I am electrical engineer, but the fires caused by battery operated cars is something preventing me to buy an EV. I will not be able to sleep knowing that I have potential time bomb in my garage and put at risk my family and neighbors.
The 21st Century definition of "misinformation" is "anything that is considered to be inconvenient or destabilising to institutions in positions of official authority, or to the people who staff them"
I love the idea of EV ambulances, “ I need an ambulance” sorry sir they’re all on charge at the moment, there is a 3 hour wait, can you get the patient here by car
Just make sure it's not an EV as you can't park here...
@@techjunkie68smusicandtech56 lol 😂 that’s true
No I can't my car is being charged up.
@@stevengriffin7873 very good point 😆
Yes, I can get the patient there- should I hurry?
No, you've got 5 years wait.
Reading the comments, everyone is missing Simon's main point here.
Yes, petrol and diesel cars statistically have more fires (there are more of them).
The problem is that it is almost impossible to extinguish an EV fire.
It's easy to put out a fuel fire.
That must be why entire floor of cars get damaged when there is a parking garage fire
Also there are more gas cars on the road then electric ones
No they don't have more fires because there are more of them, ICE vehicles catch fire more often, the statistics are quoted in fires per x number of vehicles licenced. According to the statistics an ICE vehicle is between 60-100 times more likely to catch fire. Also around 60% of the EV fires did not involve the battery.
@@GDM22What do you say happens when an EV fire occurs?
@@Perusalstein Given the likelihood of one (which reduce again significantly when Hybrids are removed), the further discount by 60% for the fire not involving the battery and the fact that most EVs sold in Australia have LFP chemistries which reduces the risk again significantly, I can live with it.
The problem with the statistics is they do not differentiate between ICE vehicles that just catch fire and the ones that are deliberately set on fire which is quite a few.
There's also a lot of misdirection with vague phrases like "ICE vehicle fires occur far more often than EV fires," which is misleading at best. About 2% of the 20 million vehicles in Australia are EVs, so of course ICE vehicles have more fires, there are so many more of them compared to EVs. But like MGuy said, it's the severity of the fires that really makes the diifference!
Not only that but the cost of EV currently put it in mostly highly affluent areas which probably have decent security or don't need it at all where cars aren't being robbed and taken for joyrides and then set alight, meaning the statistics are completely skewed atm. But still you get people arguing with statistics constantly who don;t understand how easy it is to lie with said statistics.
They don't distinguish that on the ev side too.
@@deniswauchope3788 Oy vey... We have the percentages that account for that. ice vs ev is still 20:1
@@nonotorious1467 BYD seagull is 11k. Cheaper than what the Corsa C was when it came out
A car fire takes about 300 gallons (1135.62 liters) of water. An EV fire takes about 30,000 gallons (113562.35 liters)
Alder Hey is a large children's hospital. You really don't want those fumes affecting already very sick children, never mind the staff
You are being sarcastic, right? If not you need hospital treatment for ice derangement syndrome. Anyway, parking at hospitals is like finding unicorn poo. Should have taken a cab.
@@squishedfrog99-gp4qq no I was a patient at Alder Hey hospital as a child. I was a inpatient for 8 long weeks. Its the main child hospital for Merseyside. They do a lot of specialist treatments for diseases and conditions. A lot of children in there have extremely compromised immunity systems.
It's not in Liverpool inner city, it's out in a suburb. Parking is available, but of course a premium is charged
@@squishedfrog99-gp4qq The hospital I go to for appointments is about 100m away from a major road which has 3hr free parking in the middle; I just park there...and when I'm walking through the hospital car park on the way there there's always a few cars driving in circles looking for a parking spot.
And yet Australian building regulations want everyone to be able to charge their EV at home in the garage.
VERY good point.
Here in the US, there have been many cases where an EV had caught fire in an attached home garage and burned down the house with it.
Yes because they actually understand the risks
NCC will be updated, with locations where BESS and Ev chargers can be installed in relationship to habitable zones.
As an American firefighter, ICE cars have been known to burn when people park on piles of leaves. The hot exhaust pipes would catch the leaves on fires. Very easy to put out. This was very common when I first became a firefighter in the late 1970s. In the last few decades, this rarely happens now. I believe that exhaust pipes run cooler, catalytic converter heat shields are in place, and there are more SUVs and trucks in the United States with higher ground clearance. If a car's electric systems shorts out, very rarely does the car burn down a garage, it just smokes and blows a fuse.
In texas you have to avoid parking in long grass, I saw a Pursuit (Arkansas) the cop pitted the perp off the road and stopped partly in the ditch so the cruiser was almost bottomed out on the slope. The cop was chasing the perp, by the time he got back to the car the grass under it caught fire because it contacted the engine.
ICE fires can be suppressed or contained by current sprinkler systems. EV batteries cannot be tackled by current sprinkler systems.
You can supress it with a fire blanket
@@Luka_3D I don't know of any automatic fire blankets
Sprinklers are not designed to deal with hydrocarbon fires. Hydrocarbon fires require foam which is used to prevent the evolution of fuel vapour which is what is burning. Putting water into a hydrocarbon fire just spreads the fire. You have no idea what you’re on about
Government: Drive EV!!!!
Government: No EV in parking lots
guvt = 1) we have no fkn idea 2) flock everything we touch
Be ause they are stupid
Well the ultimate goal is to eliminate private transportation. They are just taking the deceptive approach to try and hide their intentions.
If you take your camper van on a ferry they will ask if you have gas bottles on board, and if you do they will park you outside in the open close to the exit ramp on the ship away from the main internal body of the ship, it isn’t about how often the gas bottle catch fire, it’s about how do they deal with the hazard if they do catch fire.
Also, if there's a gas leak, you don't want that happening in an enclosed portion of the ship. Same applies to EVs with their vapour cloud explosion potential.
@@CrowPal
Precisely… every hazardous product we use is controlled by safety rules to govern their storage and use.
Except EV’s apparently.
In the US & Canada, there are a lot of tunnels where no bottled gas is allowed, camper vans & the like have to plan other routes. This should also be the case with EVs, as the danger is even greater if an EV should burst into flame within a tunnel. That could really be a major disaster!
Should be banned from any enclosed spaces.
We have 33.3m of cars (RAC, March 2023), out of those around 0.77m are EVs (some websites claim more, but the government just released stats a week ago claiming 2.3%). According to the government official fire stats, we had a total of 6,612 car fires in 2022/23.
Unfortunately we don’t know how many EV fires there are as it is not counted by the government (why?). But Honeywell requested information from 21 of the 52 fire and rescue services across the UK, many of the fire services contacted only recorded and held limited data related to EV fires, while others held no data on the topic!
In any case, from less than half of the fire services and some of those providing no data at all, they counted 239 EV fires between Jul 2022 and Jul 2023. It goes without saying this number is a substantial under representation of the number of EV fires. Other websites claim 600+ EV fires, but it is difficult to confirm for sure.
Even if we use this number, 33.3m non-EVs are responsible for 6,373 fires, or 0.0191% of cars vs 0.77m EVs being responsible for 239 fires, that’s 0.031% of EVs (83% increase from 2021/22 btw!).
So even with less than half the data, we still get 1.62x more fires per EV than non-EV (2.3% of EV cars causing 3.6% of fires), that’s a staggering difference! - In reality, an EV is 3-6x more likely to catch fire once you include the missing data - i.e. 2.3% of EV cars being responsible for 10.8% to 21.7% of the car fires.
That paints a pretty grim picture, especially in the context of an ICE fire averaging 40 minutes, while an EV one with a thermal runaway can last 8-48 hours and beyond and cause devastating damage to nearby vehicles and buildings.
All in all, you are looking at 100x or more environmental damage per vehicle fire when it comes to EVs and 3-6x more fires per EV on the road.
EV evangelists like to use sales figures when they compare fire stats, instead of actual vehicles on the road. That is just flat out lying. Just because they sold X number of EVs and had Y number of fires, this has no relevance at all to the fire risk of each vehicle on the road.
This is today, when EVs are relatively new and relatively safe. What happens when we have older vehicles that are improperly repaired in the future? - this is an absolute catastrophe in the making, the only saving grace is this is only 2.3% of vehicles. With the government subsidies dwindling in the coming years, we can only hope this percentage doesn’t change too much.
Damm, you and you pesky facts! 😂😂
Well done Mate
Onya and Cheers !
Thanks for that research & analysis, that's exactly what I wanted to see! EVs are just not on, the cost/benefit ratio is so lopsided it's crazy to think of the "benefits" of EVs. There just aren't any!
Thank you for your expert report. 😊
The issue about fire safety isn’t just how prone something is to catch fire, it’s the hazards of which that fire produces and the impact of dealing with it.
If you store a lot of cardboard and paper then that is a fire hazard that can catch fire extremely easily, but the fire can be put out with a simple sprinkler system.
But if you store flammable gas bottles the chances of them catching fire is a lot smaller, but if there is a fire you then have an explosion risk.
This is the same for chemical storage, and of course thing’s like lithium battery storage.
There should be EV only carparks constructed on elevated platforms above a deep lake. Fire detection systems operate continuously and if a car catches fire, a trap door opens underneath that car and it drops into the lake.
And the system automatically puts in a call to the local authorities to deal with the toxic waste site that the lake has just become.
“As a cherry on this 💩 🎂” I laughed out loud at that one. 🤣 Brilliant!
At least Petrol cars are easier to put out the flames 🔥😂
There are more ICE fires... but what is the ratio of fires per registered vehicle.
1 in 100,000 ICE?
1 in 1000 EV?
There's no conceivable sprinkler upgrade that can make a difference
Not even dropping it in the ocean puts it out.
@@thehairygolfer Dropping in the ocean actually would start to cool it and start the process of putting it out. 10000 gallon an hour water flow, and yes you can put it out.
A lovely toxic soup being created. Sod the sea life, eh?
Liquid Argon might just work.
@@EdMcF1 They have tried inert gases before, liquid Nitrogen mainly, Argon is much the same but not available in the same quantity
I saw an EV in the last stages of burning out on the Kalundborg motorway in Denmark this morning.
White stars were shooting out, like a huge firecracker. The black smoke plume was gigantic. The passengers and their luggage was nicely placed in the emergency lane. There was only one lane at that spot, due to roadworks, so the eastbound traffic towards Copenhagen was blocked 10 kilometers back.
from California...working with structural parking ...they do not yet pay attention to the added weight and fire hazards...they do not understand yet that this could be a future issue...brought it up in a meeting and all were surprised about the info gathered by this channel..so keep it up sir...your doing society good.
There’s a lot wrong with this story, a father allows a 2 year old to wait 5 years for a hospital appointment?????
Ok, might be for a check up which is only applicable once a child reaches a certain point in his growth, or for follow-up to ensure earlier conditions are proceeding to plan. Maybe this was non essential and something has been lost in the telling of this tale.
If not, I’d have saved money and not wasted it on an EV and had the kid checked privately using the dosh saved.
Had the medical condition been life threatening surely the Emergency Dept. would have treated him/her.
Basically this story is, man has to park a few yards away from where he intended to park, due to ongoing building maintenance.
You might want to do more research onto the continuing degredation of the NHS in the UK; it really is sad.
It's very unlikely that a young child would have to wait 5 years for an appointment at a specialist children's hospital if it were for a serious condition.
@@bobstirling6885more likely the child was too young to be treated for whatever condition/operation needed.
I’ve worked on normal gas diesel cars trucks and everything in between for 40 years and never seen a car explode on its own ,
my previous car I self tuned and made an oopsie breaking a seal of one of the fuel injectors at installation car ran really badly opened the bonnet fuel everywhere..didn't start a fire just saying, mid-rear engine supercars are something else as engines overheat and cook in their cradle with little to no air pretty sure that would have ended differently
EVs sure do though, even transporting on a RO-RO ship, and can restart when you have put them somewhere 'safe'!
I had an argument about a decade ago on a motorcycle forum about the power and resilience of Li battery fires. I was dismissed as a misinformation spreader.
Yep .. this is being done already in Perth WA , a car park on “ The Esplanade “ in the city centre has banned EV’s within the structure and makes those things park in a open out outside space with bigger spacing between cars .
Meanwhile in Burnie Tasmania the local multi storey car park has placed EV chargers right next to the only pedestrian crossing and exit within the structure and next to other ICE cars , honestly the Burnie council has an IQ in single figures on a good day .
And further to my comment on the multi story car park in Burnie Tasmania fire engines can’t even fit into the structure ( the entrance can barely fit my pickup truck into because the entrance lanes are on a bend and so narrow that I literally have only inches to get through ) so the only emergency vehicles that will fit is their Toyota Land Cruiser flat tray or one of the smaller CFA fire trucks maybe .
Yeah. Five years for an NHS appointment. The NHS rocks!
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How absurd that this comment is in a video about evagelists leaving out critical context. You have no context. None of us do. Maybe the wait was important from a developmental standpoint. Apparently, when it's something you want to rip on, you sound as irrational as they do. Oh, the horse shoe.
ROFL. Of course you are a doctor...some conditions can't be intervened until the child's at a certain age or level of development. Until they disclose the reasons, everyone's thinking the worst and speculating... Yes, the NHS can be a postcode lottery regarding the waiting times, but on the whole that's based on severity. Suspected 'C' cases are seen by a consultant within a 2-week protocol timeframe, and treatment soon after. That goes for everyone I've known and twice for myself...
Blame 14 years of Conservative rule they have run it into the ground to try to justify selling it off to private companies and corporate donors the MP's involved with make millions from kick back's from the dodgy government contracts. If you believe the mainstream media and our politicians, sir, you are a fool.
Congratulations on 66.6K subs Simon! 😂 completely valid by banning them and I love how all EVangelists ALWAYS use the 'ICE cars burn a lot more often' and always don't understand the toxicity and danger of burning EVs. Great video
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When the inevitable happens and a family is scorched, or an apartment block burns to the ground, the EV lobbyists STILL will not give a damn.
being worse than our existing technology is a feature, not a bug. What, are you expecting things to improve?
They sure won’t. It will be deemed as being Trump’s fault.
I think i remember a house in NZ where a EV caught fire in front of a garage..set the house on fire and i think the neighbours as well..and the fire brigade eas there and couldn't put it out at the early stages..thats the difference.
That was the one where the fire department stated the fire started at the other side of the house and that the EV wasn't even parked in the garage. Oddly enough the neighbours filmed the car sitting in the garage shooting flames. Go figure.🤦♂️
66.6K. You devil, you. 😂
Lol just spotted that let's hope nothing goes wrong
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666k subs will last longer . ( There will be some awesome content to come no doubt)
2 of my 3 brothers went out to buy/lease an ev as a family car. I talked to them about the dangers, didn't even mention inefficiencies, for days. After they got agitated and told me to stfu, i stoped.
Now i can only cross my fingers that nothing will happen...
should have showed them an actual "battery pack replacement cost" and look for real prices 1st as the main results are all lies citing 5-6000 which is the price of the smaller light hybrid batteries, actual EV batteries go from 10'000 to 50'000, I checked the fiat 500 EV a small car unable to do 70miles in winter on a full charge LOL it's around 12'000€ 33% of the car (already abusive for such a useless vehicle) price
Sad.....its their choice though. One day they will wake up.
@@fredEVOIX I am the youngest brother, 9 years apart to the youngest of them. That alone dismisses nearly everything i say. Well, hope their experience and wisdom carry them through that decision.
Do you do the same when they get in plane.
I just hope they don't have any little ones buckled in snugly in a carseat in the back seat, if someone accidentally hit them or the lithium battery suddenly unexpectedly combusted and caught fire!
Two multi-storey carparks have been destroyed in the UK by EV fires.
The latest one was at Luton Airport and video clearly shows it was a Hybrid vehicle. Bright flames were shooting out from underneath the car in the area of the front passenger seat, where the Batteries are located. But, despite all the evidence to the contrary, including the inability to extinguish the fire with extinguishers that would have easily put out a normal fire, the authorities still insist it was not a Hybrid or an EV.
Basically, they will tell any story to support the narrative.
Nonsense - you are perpetuating false information. It was a diesel Range Rover, as confirmed by BOTH the owner and the fire investigation. Do you REALLY think the owner didn't know what they were driving?
@@davidwall8954 It was an ev, owner has obviously been coerced with coinage
@@davidwall8954 Wow, do you really think that diesel Range Rover fires start under the passenger's seat, that diesel fires burn with a bright white jet of flame, that normal fire extinguishers can't put it out, that it's normal to instantly remove the vehicle's details from the DVLA website so nobody can independently check the vehicle type. If you believe all that I've got a bridge in London and a tall tower in Paris I can sell you at a bargain price!
Sense at last.
I thank them for keeping us safe from EVs
Think you for keep us up to date with information relevant to this industry. I will never own one.
There Must be many peoples, Who Never hear, anything, against, the idea, of EVs.
I can't imagine, how this can be so.
We have 84 units in our block. The Body Corp are weighing up how to deal with our underground car park.
There is an insurance issue. I think they will eventually make the tough decision to ban EVs like they have for E Bikes and scooters.
Why should the other owners pay extra premiums to cover people’s higher fire riskEVs?
The real problem is the risk of a catastrophic Fire.
high temperature fires isn't it what brought down two towers ?
The one argument that is missed is the fire contribution factor of EVs.
They do not have to even be responsible for the fire, just being present in a car park is bad enough as once the fire reaches them, you get a lot more intense fire that can't be extinguished as it produces its own oxygen.
While even a tank of good ole diesel or gasoline, if it doesn't get an oxygen supply, will not contribute.
Exactly. There shouldn't be Any EV fires given the potential consequences.
Anyone that buys an EV is either just a show off with more money than sense or stupid. Why would anyone buy an overpriced car with limited range , massive depreciation and with the potential to catch fire and burn not only your house down but melt the ground it’s parked on . The temperatures that they mention when these things catch fire is hot enough to melt rocks into glass ( providing there’s enough silica ). Very good informative video. 👍👍
I disagree. They are just as likely to have more money than sense AND are also stupid.
Really? So someone who drives a lot and buys and ev to save $20k in petrol and maintenance is a show off? Yet the guy posting this video drives around in convertible Mercedes Benz’s, Porsche boxers is not a show off? 😂😂😂😂 you have a very strange perspective
USA here - at least you guys have a free press, in this country a report like that would have been buried. I live in a rural area and charging stations are mostly nonexistent, however when I have seen them in parking garages in cities, they are without exception located deep in the parking garage, right next to the elevators and doorways into the buildings.
I don't trust parking next to them. When shopping at the grocery store, I try to park towards the back of the parking lot, hopefully avoiding an EV pulling up beside me. Way inconvenient for my 69 years, but safer.
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If any one else out there has had to "TRY" and park a car in the underground park at the "NEW" Royal Adelaide Hospital, They will unfortunately know just how SMALL and poorly planed it is. I lost my car for an hour the first time I had to go there. They will also know just how impossible it would be to get adequate fire equipment into one of the many levels. Over head sprinklers will not suppress a lithium fire. In the event of a under hospital fire many cars will be trapped to burn along with what ever started it. There are I believe only two entry/exits on opposite sides ensuring adequate air flow for a fire.
The thing about an EV fire is they do not need any air at all, they generate huge amounts of it all by their own
I would just like to mention that the forge welding temperature for high carbon steel, used to make damascus is between 1,700 and 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit
The melting point is app 2700 F
Id like to see these people try and put out a EV vehicle fire with only 500 gallons of water.
Driving around my local area , I saw a sign in a driveway "do not park an EV on my driveway"
StacheD training is a very important YT channel reference for fire management... Not just EV's but I think that it will have DATA you need...
Luton Airport was a Hybrid... We never hear any follow up on this, it seems like the owner tried to put out the fire in the car park before heading off for his flight...
He actually did a video on the Luton Airport fire, completely glossed everything over, followed the narrative to a 'T', even didn't show the video of the initial stages of the fire, with the glorious and all too recognisable flame thrower effect and typical white smoke/vapour, versus the few stills he used from later, of blacker smoke and gentler, yellower flame. It was the first video of his where I doubted his integrity and experience. It did highlight though, that our 'powers that be' are going to continue to refer to hybrid vehicles as whatever variety of I.C.E., which I suppose they are, but it hides the very dangerous elephant in the room.
The comparison of incidences, ICE-fires-to-EV-fires, reminds me of the faulty argument commonly put forth by pit bull advocates wherein they state that other breeds bite just as often as pit bulls but what they fail to take into account is that bites from other breeds, such as poodles, are not life altering/threatening in the same way as bites involving pit bulls are - just ask any plastic surgeon ... or mortician.
NHS already struggling now forced to waste precious funds on EV fire mitigation and not desperate patients who have been waiting years for treatment 😳🙄
I'm not convinced that IC cars are more likely to catch fire. So far I haven't seen any detailed comparison between the two considering age and condition of the cars. So far most of EVs are nearly brand new, unmodified and never damaged nor repaired. I think we need proper data before making those definitive statements.
Any sprinkler for EV's need to be 360 degree and from below as well.
DEVIL LIKES FIRE.
Two years ago I said that body corporates will ban EV home charging. I'm sticking with that prediction.
Imagine being so incensed that he couldn't park his EV in a certain section of a hospital carpark, but is fine with waiting 5 years for an appointment for his child?
LOL
Could've got himself a regular, cheaper ICE car and used the savings to pay for a private doctor/specialist.
I don't think a mentally sane parent would let his child be in discomfort/suffer for 5 years before seeing a doctor.
Has he considered that if his kid can't make it on the day of the appointment, he will need to reschedule and be forced to wait for another 5 years? (don't laugh - the public healthcare system has turned into an absolute shitshow.)
Bravo
An ev fire is like a lit oxyacetylene welding torch as you're adding oxygen to intensifying the heat of the flame to enable a welding process to be carried out ..hence the buckling of the steel structure of the car park .
Well said, My Good Guy. I am armed with counter arguments now. Regards to all.
Been driving since the 70s, had 2 ice vehicles fire up on the road, both were british made fords with the same 2lt overhead cam engine, one an escort the other a cortina! Both fires were put out by me smothering them with cloth or dirt, no fire brigade in either case!
We where in Berlin this weekend and they have banned all EV scooters from all public transport as of May this year, as fire protection measure.
What about e-bikes...were they banned also?
@@singmysong1167 I was actually surprised by that, not explicitly. What was written is "All types of electrical scooters".
@@hugobloemers4425 interesting
Just wait until all those £10,000 cars go on sale. That should swing the balance.
G'Day. Thanks for sharing this video. 🙌.👍👍🏴🏴
A few months back a Hummer EV was involved with a road rage situation. The Hummer burned fo hours on I-5 in downtown Seattle. A day later the wreck caught fire again.
I’m in the Fire Protection business in regards to sprinkler systems. There is no sprinkler system that will put out an EV fire. But systems can be installed at the minimum to cool down the area and slow the spread long enough for people to escape. But these systems will require much larger pipe which will probably lower the maximum height for vehicles that can enter. In colder regions it’s even more difficult to install these systems. Probably requiring preaction systems, with significantly larger pipe that will slow the delivery of the water to the sprinklers, which may require more preaction valves in smaller zones. Now the snow ball is rolling, demanding larger pumps, more air compressors, larger rooms to place all of the extra equipment in. You can imagine the costs.
Another gravy train created to jump on.
@@erroneouscode not really. People don’t like paying extra for fire protection. It’s not something tangible they understand. People like to flush a toilet in a well lit and temperature controlled bathroom. Maybe have an attractive building. Most people and businesses are repulsed by the cost and necessity of sprinkler systems. So doing anything extra is a non starter. You’ll find parking garages will buy a sign keeping EVs out instead.
The Hospital probably decided to comply with the recommendations from the local Fire Service, rather than ignore it, as to do so would almost certainly invalidate their Public Liability Insurance.
Whether or not the recommendation is 'misinformation' or even inaccurate, the NHS are justified in complying with it.
Fire Services are the least worried about ev fires because they actually took the time to understand how to tackle the fires.
I love how they totally miss the point of the argument in their fight to beat the so-called misinformation.
There's an undercover shopping centre carpark in Brisbane that has EV charging stations, but only 1 shared entrance/exit ramp. It's a ridiculous design flaw that's just tempting fate!
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Ev's are so hot right now that many are bursting into flames.
@@johnm838 💯 absolutely!!! 🔥🔥🔥🤣🤣🤣