Did Remy Ma just say “Good Curly” hair??? That’s a part of the problem. When we as black woman use that type of terminology, it perpetuates the problem. There’s nothing wrong with kinky curls. It’s “good” as well.
Exactly then she said Michelle Obama wore her natural hair. 😔 Michelle made sure she her hair straight everyday. Remy just needs to be reprogrammed Lol . It takes a lot to be woke
The only two fully black woman are wearing full silky wigs. It’s not just about protective styling, theres a reason they’re wearing Brazilian straight and not kinky curly. The biased is internalized
What Adrianne said about how black women don't go around touching non-black people's hair the way other people have the audacity to do to them... been talking about this my whole life. Make it make sense please.
Just being real, quite a number of black women are wearing Indian Remy, Brazilian and Malaysian hair textures daily on top of their own natural texture, they would have less of a compulsion to touch a non-black woman’s hair because they are already experiencing it in the form wigs or weaves
That's not even true though. I'm a Latina with "white" women hair and the Black girls always wanted to touch my hair growing up. They found my hair fascinating. I grew up with only Blacks and Hispanics, very, very few Asians. Practically zero white people. So yeah, we get the same reaction from Black girls. I hate how one sided everyone's experiences are in on the panel. It's like Adrienne doesn't know anything.
@@sherell73 I think some of your comment was lost in translation, but if I understood it correctly, I think you will find the book Hairstory enlightening. Everything comes from something.
My hair is bad though, can't lie, it's just thin and won't grow so I haven't got "good hair". Not necessarily to do with texture though, just the quality of it is rubbish.
I was shocked when she used that offensive term, and I know she did not mean to offend. So sad that such a beautiful woman can say this about her hair. Prayers
@@purrfectnails2473 no hair texture is inherently bad? Is wool a lesser fabric than silk? That’s how dumb ppl sound when they say good hair & bad hair. It’s just two different textures. Neither is bad, they’re just different & require different care.
Let's be honest though, theres a difference between curly and kinky hair on how it's percieved. The tighter your curl pattern the more bias youd experience I'd imagine.
@@bsbgirl85 Nope the fact that she has curly hair period most don't like it, because I've heard both twins say they were not allowed to wear their natural hair and other mixed race curly hair has said the same...people have to stop assuming they know others experience, because you wouldnt want others to tell you your own experience
@@keshahunt1476 To white ppl. White ppl will make them (Biracial w/ curly hair) feel a certain way about it. But Black men...our own black men will praise it 3c or Tamara's hair, while making fun of 4c or "nappy" hair. Think Martin making fun of Pam. Featurism plays a role. THe difference in what you are saying is that yes, Tameras's experience might have had a negative when with white ppl in Hollywood. But also may have benefitted from black ppl with support. So let's be clear. Women with tight kink will not get benfits and praise from white people, OR BLack ppl. If that were the case , Loni would wear her natural hair on the show. Yes, Tamera wears wigs on the show, but every now and then she will rock her natural hair. You never see Loni leave the wig behind and wear her natural hair.
@@purplelove3666 The 90’s? No what she said applies now too. The fact that so many of us wear wigs and weaves NOW shows that we have bought into the madness
Remy Ma saying "y'all have that GOOD curly hair, unlike Lonnie's and mine" was the most ignorant comment throughout their conversation. Black people, please stop thinking and saying kinky/nappy hair is bad hair, it isn't.
As usual, dark skinned women are out here denigrating 4 textured hair, smh. Why do people keep talking about protective styles. When you wear weaves and wigs 24/7, 365, what are you protecting your hair from, seeing the light of day?
@@Tsadiah1 what a ridiculous comment, what is the point of going to the trouble of keeping your hair moisturized, if you always cover it up. As a black woman with 4 textured hair who has been natural for 13 years (loc'd, for 2), I know all about looking after my beautiful crown. Stop making excuses and just admit that you like/prefer wigs and weaves, to your own hair. Your comment is akin to getting up every day, getting ready, including hair and makeup, putting your coat and shoes on, and then sitting in the house, i.e what's the point? Capiche?
@@Tsadiah1 you never said anything about head wraps, just braids. Don't you think it's a bit rich, you telling me it's women's choice how they wear their hair, like I said it wasn't. I was just pointing out the dishonesty. You replied to my original comment, on a post talking about natural hair, where I was criticising the denigrating of 4 type hair. You seem to be getting very triggered, if my comment doesn't pertain to you, you should not be so defensive. Continue wearing your 'protective,' styles and keep it moving.
Its like putting plastic on your living room furniture. You never get to feel the real thing. Loni need to stop talking about protecting her hair, she knows that on the weekend when she goes out she still wearing that wig.
@@Tsadiah1 thats was moisturizing and oiling ur scalp is for. Thats an excuse, i only wore a wig once in my whole life time and i have beautiful thick healthy kinky curls! If u abandoning ur hair dont make it grow. No offense but this is y some blk women end up bald headed becuase THEY not catering to their hair. I made the same mistake but my hair grew back, so i can speak from experience.U dont feed the baby it dont grow!
Remy Ma actually said that she wears hair according what type of people she's around was a self-hating, insecure, low self-esteem comment if I've never heard one.
@Anthony Coleman. Doesn't necessarily mean she is self-hating or has low self esteem. I can relate to being conscious of how I wear my hair when I know I'll be in my corporate setting as the only minority in management. It always made me feel trapped and not free to have to get my hair styled and making sure its not too ethnic looking based on me seeing how minority females who work with me were treated with their hairstyles, comments that were made and even fellow management team members who would encourage me to tell other team members that their hair was too much. I would only tell them if the hairstyle was against what the company handbook stated was allowed not because someone else was uncomfortable looking and even sometimes touching their hair. But of course, who wrote the handbook to determine what was the company standard-them not us. I definitely do not have esteem issues but I do feel the added stresses of working in the environment as someone who stands out already then having to always be "mindful" of my hair made me feel enslaved to their opinions and to the system that defines beauty and what's professional. But I also know that if I would have worn my hair ethnically styled I wouldn't have gotten the job to be able to be on the inside to slowly make the needed changes including me having the ability to do the hiring.
I don't, and I live in Europe and often receive compliments from other ethnic minorities. They think I'm being brave, I call it me being who I was born to be...😊
The more we stop covering our hair the more others will have to accept our natural hair. But I agree with whoever said they missed the whole point of the study.
Adrienne is the only one that accurately expressed our frustration. Remy was right about there being a curl pattern hierarchy. The curly movement that Tamera is talking about has been going for the last 10 years but in the last 5 years has been overtaken by biracial and multiethnic looking women with finer textured curls while the 4a-4c women have become severely underrepresented. This is America
I don't think you should use the term "finer texture" because finer implies a better quality or grade. They simply have looser curl patterns. The curls are just not as tight
What's even more pathetic is that most black women have type 4 hair, but we manipulate our hair to look like type 3. So sick of texturism and colorism in the black community.
Completely agree. The amount of 4c you tubers who’s channel is about the ultimate twist out, braid out, Bantu knot out, they’re sleeping in curl formers, rollers with 4 types of curling butter and gels!! And some are spending $700 on a Gina curl! So it either looks like a looser texture or it chemical changed to different texture
@@ms.bubs4fun506 well I know people with 4c and I can tell you, for MOST (not all) a wash n go isnt gonna be the best option. I have no problem with twist outs.
Adrienne Bailon is the only one who showed passion. Remy is talking about wearing wigs as a solution threw me off. She was very nonchalant. I feel for Tamara but society loves biracial features and they understand that they have curly hair. The afro or kinky hair are the ones that face discrimination the most
Even though biracial hair and features may be more accepted she still faced discrimination because of her hair in e entertainment industry. Also keep in mind she was a child star and natural hair (even lose curls) weren’t normalized in the 90’s.
Adrienne is married so her name changed to Houghton. Please dont take away the validity of Tamera's testimony. She is black and still experienced racism.
I have to be honest Adrian even as a Latina a non black Latina represents black women better than Lonnie and Tamara put together she actually expressed our point of view better than the two black women sitting there
Adrian was on fire but maybe it's easier for her to do that. Tamara and Lonnie may policed more harshly for showing how they truly feel. This is so sad, don't be too hard on them focus on confronting & breaking such bias from the society.
This is unfortunately true. But it would also be nice if black celebrities would wear their natural hair more. I understand wigs are protective styling and it’s their decision if they want to wear them, but representation is important as well. We can normalize it If we have more celebrities wearing their natural kinky curly hair and it’ll give confidence to our young black girls. At the end of the day nothing is wrong with wigs but I would love to see some natural hair too
Still her natural hair. Having natural hair doesn’t mean you have to always wear it in it’s kinky or curly state. Our hair is versatile and we should be able to wear all the styles. She’s only not natural if her hair was relaxed.
@@noirfit9721 Natural means the way it grows out of your head and Michelle Obama’s hair is not naturally straight. She’s either using a pressing comb or relaxers. And I have no argument with how anyone wears their hair...but if you’re straightening your natural hair then it’s not in its natural state
@@racourdav it doesn't have to be one way or the other. You can be natural and straight or pick your hair into an afro, both are natural styles. But I get what you mean. When we're talking about curls, Michelle's hair does not apply
Remy Ma just showed her ignorance on so many levels on this episode. She actually used the term "good hair" and spoke so negatively about type 4 hair. I cringed. She also said that Michelle Obama wore her natural hair. Mrs. Obama is natural, but she always wore it straight. There's a difference when you present as an African American women with your hair unaltered in it's natural state.
Yes! So much ignorance, it was embarrassing! Remy Ma needs to just shut up. Everything she said was ignorant, inaccurate and cringe worthy! Also, The Real producers are a joke--they mention 4 celebrities with natural hair and 3 out of the 4 are women who are biracial. 🙄 They threw beautiful Lupita in for good measure. If they are not going to have an intelligent conversation and properly prepare themselves, dont bother!!!!
Jealous ppl are always going to attack something about you to make you feel unattractive & unacceptable. If you have KNOWLEDGE of yourself, shake the negativism off and keep walking with your head high😁
As a blk woman, I dont care what white women say or feel about my God given natural born hair! I dont answer to them! I love me, my deeply melinated dark skin color and my natural kinky hair. They want what we have and cant obtain it naturally.
As a white woman you are 💯 correct and jealously is so ugly and unbecoming! Tearing someone else down isn’t going to make them feel any better about themselves. Only making themselves miserable. Sad.
Penny Luke,I say that WW who are negative toward BW hair can be the WM problem not mine. To be honest who cares what they think. Most of them don't even like each other,never mind us
Remy Ma was talking about how expensive hair care products are but them wigs and weaves are expensive too. One thing I've discovered about maintaining natural hair is finding a regimen that works for you and sticking to it. Trying new things usually makes you break the bank and honestly natural hair doesn't require too much.
In this segment everybody said something that made me cringe. Adrienne saying white ppl have greasy, 3 strands of hair, Jeannie pointing out the black women who embrace their hair but all of them are mixed race, and Remy referring to the mixed race people as having "good hair" and her and Loni's as not. I cringed 😬 the whole time.
oh you forgot Tamera talking about the discrimination against her hair , when she's sitting next to two women with 4c hair.. not exactly 'cringe' but awkward
@@mariaoviedo5881 (Not to be rude) Did Loni and Remy actually say they have 4c hair or did you just assume they do because they're fully black? IJS just because Remy said they're textures are more difficult to manage doesn't automatically mean they have 4c hair. Also Tamera has the right to share her experience no matter who is sitting next to her. That's what she personally went through so she should tell it.🤷🏽♀️
@@deidrajames6686 I don't think Loni or Remy specified a type, but they both allude to their hair being the most difficult to deal with and Remy said products for her type were the most expensive. That may be where the assumption that they are 4C came from. I don't know. I'm tired of defending my skin tone and my hair texture. I'm all the way over it.
I refuse to assimilate to European beauty standards. Black woman have to stop caring about what others groups of women think of them and recognize we are beautiful. And anyone sitting around worrying about how we decided to wear our hair that day needs to get a life.
Because it puts our differences in their face and it’s the one thing that they can’ not have and will never have. It also illustrates their need to feel above us.
We also need laws that punish any one that makes a anti white statement in public and private that is intended to hurt ethnic white european peolple none of this unfair race treatment end the non white priviledge cards for none whites in schools business law stop anti white programs
@@koffaTV Not to mention her own husband told her he loves her natural hair. So why not embrace it and take off that big ugly wig. What she means it takes too long to do, she can see a natural hair stylist keep it up. And why are you changing who you are to fit into your different social groups she sounded so ignorant what a disappointment to black women. Sounds like she is making too many excuses to justify her self-hate of her natural hair.
"That's the slave mentality of people? Generational colonial mentality of some white and black people, its not her fought, it is what she has heard by family members or others that think like this?" Curly hair by mixed kids is not the same as most black hair that is kinky, Afro, smoother curly hair?" They are trying to say the mixed curly hair is all natural now days? Its not the same hair texture because mostly black hair comes in so many textures, shapes, yet is not because of admixture hair, in most cases?" It seems in those pictures are ways to promote mix people natural curls compare them to the natural black hair people? Just because someone has natural curly hair because of being mixed or people with straight hair is good hair, does not make it so, it is how well you groom and take care of the hair, that matters the most? Everyone's hair is not going to do the same things?"
It’s so bizarre when people say “ it would take hours for me to wash and style my natural hair” but you can sit hours in a chair getting weave for $200+. People just need to admit they don’t like their hair and that it is not appealing to them. You don’t have to spend hours on your hair if you make a healthy regimen.
@@chantelbeavers6494 once you get to know your hair and do it often it will take you no more than 10 mins to fix your natural hair. All it takes me is a spray bottle ( with water in it) and my favorite leave in conditioner. You won’t even need a wide tooth comb. People simply don’t know how to take care of their hair so yes “ it takes long”. I used to say that too.
@@chantelbeavers6494 no it doesn’t. You still have to get braids installed which means that you have to get a blow dryer out which will take about 2 hours total.
It’s so sad and ridiculous how accurate this is... I have no problems with Job interviews when my hair is straight, I’ve never been turned down a job with a straight haired wig on... the one Job interview I went to with natural hair, i didn’t get the job. And that was a damn good interview, one of my bests.
I’m not offended. I just think people are attracted to what they are familiar with. However, as a black woman I also think we’ve been conditioned to think that we have to conform to a more European standard of beauty. We don’t! My hair is my hair and I don’t have to conform to anyone’s standards.
Yes but there are millions of people who look different, and automatically not liking other people because they look different is ignorant and immature. The beauty about people IS our differences.
@@FiddleYourTiddle666 I agree with you 100% percent because I raised in a colorist Latino-identitying, European-identifying family (even though we are mostly native ancestry), and my parents always had this and that to say about black folks because ONE TIME when we lived in apartments in Atlanta, one of our cars got broken into and my parents let that be their lasting impression of black folk. Me however, I never let their opinions of ignorance get to me because as a child, not only did I view melanin-rich skin as beautiful because of the way it shined in the sun like gold, seeing how ignorant my parents were and slightly still are, it made me see people for their character and integrity and not anything else. I don't view my parents as wonderful people; I view them as ignorant fools. And I have said this to their face. And they rarely ever argue with me because I make them realize the fools that they are. They are even more ignorant for refusing to re-educate their minds and aligning their souls with good values.
All us Black women need to do is - spend more time and effort learning how to maintain our hair in its natural state. IMO, weaves, wigs, heat from blow drying and then more heat with straighteners, hiding from moisture/rain is just too much and takes up way too much time. Just learn how to lovingly maintain your natural hair 👸🏾
This study most Black women have been talking about for decades about how they are discriminated against because of their natural look. It is very clear what is going on
@@sickofit5547 it's not bm that put Black women in that catch 22. Everyone is responsible for their own life however there are some bm and Black women that are unfortunately brainwashed by Western Society and subconsciously carry out their agenda of divide and conquer. A mature Black woman wouldn't assume all bm are this ignorant they would know what the problem is and focus on just on bm that build with them.
@@TheAlkebulanTrust no mam. You better relook your history. We are integrated because of bm. And we were sold because of bm. If we were segregated none of this would have happen.
Nope really because many mix people with the pretty curls get the same treatment as the tight curl girls, if it's not straight and blond most try to make them cover it
@@Grace-jb1sl yea you’re right, mixed people have it easier. Key word here is easier but to say there isn’t a bias at all against mixed hair is factually incorrect.
@@EllePlowPlow you got that right! They still get discriminated against for being half black but because they are half white or Asian or whatever, they have an easier time in life than full black people.
@@ms.bubs4fun506 said like a life long relaxer ,imagine being embarrassed over your parents race and its features ,imagine broadcasting it to everyone lmao
@@shaundavidssd Redirect your bad energy towards the black men that hate 4c hair. Let BW live in peace without your control, shaming tactics, and judgment.
The fact that Jeannie called out celebs’ hair who were mixed tells you something. Tam had to throw in Lupita to save her. But Jeannie has grown up since this ep so kudos to her.
@@purplelove3666 In a fantasy world where everything is fair and balanced that would be true but in this reality we need acceptance for survival. That defiance energy is not strategic at all.
From a white woman trust me it's all love ❤❤ I personally don't like the word "acceptance" or even worse "tolerate." Who am I to decide that? It goes without saying, at least for me. We're all God's children and beautiful.
@@bastian9693 you must can't hear?? The entire segment is based on white women getting offended by black natural hair. They literally said it. With that being said, you can dismiss yourself cause it's obvious what kind of person you are.
@@Desi-zz4gb Lol what? All they said was that they found it less attractive. That’s nothing more than a simple opinion, right? Certain people have preferences. Doesn’t mean they hate what they don’t find conventionally attractive. Everything’s so black and white today. If someone said they found white hair unattractive, I wouldn’t really care. It’s an opinion. You can’t dismiss someone from the internet, weirdo. Get off your high horse. 😂
@@bastian9693 there is a difference between stating what you like and degrading another person’s hair texture. That’s the point your hard head isn’t getting. Those ww were saying “you look less sexy with hair like that” etc not sure what there exact word was but it was rude. You can state your preference without being rude to others. 🙄
I remember starting to wear my natural hair and black men would come up to me and actually say, i know it's not the popular thing - but I appreciate that you're wearing your hair natural, and this is the best way to style it, I love the way it looks. The power of it is not something to underestimate because it represents self love and God's will👏🏾🙏🏽
if hes going to bring God into it tell him to read the bible--God is against people who love themselves -'' in the last days people will be lovers of themselves'' RESPECT YOURSELF is what God wants--do not sleep with a man you're not married to, that is fornication --read where fornicators go--Jesus said why do you call me Lord and not do what i say? away from me i never knew you.
Beautiful. Love this comment. Most black men who are not walking around like mummies with no appreciation for their phenotype, like seeing us wear our hair even if they don't say they do. Some outright compliment, others hold the compliment in their mind. There is something about it, especially when it is the kinkiest fluffy texture, that screams "I am comfortable being black; I am comfortable with my appearance, and I am comfortable with my reflection." It resonates when you walk around. Some black men get so uncomfortable that they look away too when you walk by. I have seen that. I love wearing my hair as it is, particularly in a free afro state and sometimes I like wearing it deliberately because few of us women do.
Right and then they skipped off with their non-black woman! You lie to yourself…black males are the main haters of themselves, black women and children. They are half the reason why black women don’t wear natural hair. Kill the manipulative delusional diatribe…
For real. I dont think she meant it in a derogatory way but she couldve just said those women have a looser texture than me and Loni...she should know better
@@keiyamcmorris9271 Okay but you have to remember that they are biracial. They have the type of hair that is worshipped in the black community and she’s with a black man so ofc she loves it lol
And this is why we as black women need to continue to create our own spaces! I appreciate every style of black hair but no black woman should have to damage her hair to be taken seriously.
@@brownskinbeauty. I couldn’t agree more!! I think mixed people should be able to be mixed but the lay people need time to wrap that around their heads!
Yes, there is, all hair is good hair because it was given to you by God. And if you embrace it, take care of it which will produce healthy hair. This will improve on its goodness. And this is the gold standard of GOOD HAIR! Not the texture.
Adrian has obviously been putting in some work. When she said normalize ALL kinds of hair she was touching on the root of the problem (pun intended). Remy Ma sounds a little bit ignorant. I hope she doesn't come back...personally 😬
I agree!! My hair is mixed but it is closer to Adrienne's texture and that whole conversation about good hair and bad hair on black women was so bizarre to me. Remy Ma definitely needed to do her research. When she said Michelle Obama wore her hair natural I was like ummm.... 99% of the time she had her hair blown out or with a silk press. Yes, her hair was natural in the sense that it wasn't chemically processed but she did wear it in styles considered to be "attractive" or "professional" since she was FLOTUS. When she did wear her hair how it naturally grows out of her head (I believe she may have been on vacation), she was criticized for it. Remy definitely has some hw to do lol. And if we're really talking about good hair vs. bad hair then curly hair is the BEST hair because of its versatility. You can't do much with naturally straight hair
I'm a white woman that has been on this planet for half a century and I have never given a damn how anyone wears their hair nor have I ever asked to touch or forcibly touched another human beings hair. There is a young black woman who works at my bank who wears her hair naturally and I consider her to be one of the most beautiful young women I've ever seen. So I'd be curious about the age of the women in this study.
Exactly! Thank you for your input. Agreed we ought to move around this world without the obsession of other people's naturally born hair/phenotypic characteristics. In a utopia of humanity, this would be the least of our concerns. Thank you for bringing your perspective.
I am a Black Woman. I think society try to always put us all against each other all the time. I get tired of it! White Woman have always complimented and said nice things about my natural hair. As humans we all should be able to do as we please with our Hair no matter your race.
I have been saying this all along. I have always felt and seen microaggressions from white and non- black women towards my natural hair. Thats why they had to pass the Crown Act.
I'm South African and I was doing an internship a few years ago at a design firm and I always used to slick my hair back into a bun or curly ponytail and one day it was a wash day so I decided to wear my hair all out, without tying it back or anything and the boss (owner of the company - white man) walked in and was like oh my God what happened to you? Were you in a rush this morning? And he laughed while he said it. Now me being just an intern and still new to working, I just brushed it off and giggled and kinda questioned it but not really. But when I really thought about it later that day I was like what in the hell. Who does that man think he is? Even when I brought it up to my mother she was like oh he was probably just joking and I said no that's not a joke. The way he said it told me it wasn't one. And even if he meant it as one, it wasn't funny. Luckily I'm comfortable and confident in my hair and that didn't deter me, but I don't think I'll ever forget that.
There was the white male Psychologist that laughed loudly when another coworker was saying my hair was sticking up (she was white but I discussed my hair with her so it wasnt an issue), then another time the Psychologist was all did you cut your hair it looks shorter....Im like no our hair can shrink...lol....he was so annoying. He knew who to come to with that...some other chicks wouldve microaggressed right back to him.
Is kinda ironic the ladies of color are all rocking straight styles while talking about this topic :p. No one mentioned this discrimination is a result of racism. Didn't point out the texturism associated with lose curls vs. Kinky type 4 hair. They're not even scratching the surface of this discussion
Interesting that Remy goes on about how much more expensive black hair products are and how labor intensive it is to maintain natural hair yet she spends probably hundreds of thousands on wigs and hours of installation and maintenance. Skip the excuses... if you prefer straight wigs to your own hair texture, just own that. They always say others don’t accept us but in my experience I always got more offensive comments from Black people and it typically starts at home.
Right! She wasn't taking the conversation seriously. Talking about she has 50 wigs. Yeah like many black women can relate and spend hundreds of dollars of wigs!
Right, and im super natural slick bald and loving every minute of it, I was told to put on a wig but since I love me I'm good and wigless. I wish a bihh would tell me something about my head lol.
Find it interesting that these same whit women will couple with black men and not be offended by their hair. When they are having sex with black men do the men wear weaves.
I just find it interesting that the wigs the women on the panel chose to wear are straight hair when they could've worn a more natural, textured style and be just as protective 🤷🏽♀️ *side note* I know my hair in my display pic is also straight, this pic is old and I'm too lazy to update it but I'm indeed rocking my gravity defying natural crown 🤣
Here it is ladies,we need to create and have our own standard of beauty. Within our community embrace our fros,braids,kinks curls etc. Our skin tones and shades,our noses,lips etc and COMPLETELY cut out outside influences,though it may be hard,its worth trying. Our identity is worth fighting for!!!
Should have done a segment when they get men who are not into natural hair. But say they don't want the wigs and weaves girls. Basically type hair 3c or Tamera's hair type. Let's be honest. They are commenting on what white ppl have to say. When our own black men make fun of it?
@@ASprinkleofAnime ok cool got it! Not our men. Now can we stop deflecting and get back to the message. The black men need to be honest. Lonnie has different hair type than Tamara....in this society UNFORTUNATELY thanks to FEATURISM 3c hair or looser hair tends to be celebrated and praised by black men. While Loni's hair type is not. Which is why she has said on the show, she will always wear braids or wigs, and never sow her natural hair. While Tamara a few times will wear it natural.
Why are people surprised....I'm afro-latino and I literally had a company tell me to cut my hair to get the job...then I said yes and they still didn't hire me...I have kinky curly hair and I combed and styled it for the interview and they still didn't like it🤦🏻♂️ btw it was a white person who interviewed me
I had an experience as a young girl similar to what Tamara experienced. A bunch of little girls at a sleepover pulled my hair up and when it stayed standing on its own they all laughed. I never forgot that.
As a white woman I really appreciate black hair I think it's beautiful I've ways been jealous of it and when I was younger I never had the urge to touch their hair I never understood why people make such a big deal about it, it's just hair and every hair is amazing no matter what race. Ladies please don't change for anyone but yourself. ♥️
4:15 Jeannie is surprised that we are judged by the hair on our heads, as if we have not always been judged by the color on our skin... this is the problem, people still find value in acting with shock. This is obvious.
I had a white female manager who would put her hands in my hair trying to find weave tracks because she couldn't belive it was my hair, that really passed me off and I had to tell her on several occasions do not to put your hands in my hair, she actually asked me "is that your hair" before the first time she did it
You can't talk about God-given hair while wearing wigs. If you're proud of your natural hair, wear it out proudly. Don't hide it and then blame everyone around you. What does it matter what others think of your hair if you're comfortable in it??!
When Tamera was talking about how she loves this new curly hair movement I was waiting for her or someone to talk about the natural hair (ahem 4-type) movement, but nope, nada. And quite frankly it just reinforces the reality that the natural hair movement initially started for type 4 hair (mainly 4c) has been completely co-opted by the more palatable type of curly hair, not the kinky coily types that are most discriminated against.
Agreed and it's a shame. I've been natural for almost 12 years and have sadly watched the natural hair movement shift from women who had hair that mainstream society considered unattractive and unmanageable leaving to love their God-given hair to who has the longest hair or biggest, bounciest curls. Meanwhile, the women for whom the movement was originally intended (i.e. type 4b/c hair women) have once again been pushed to the background.
I've been natural for years, minimal wig wearing... it's about embracing our natural beauty, even though the Eurocentric world would have us believe it's wrong. Now, I could never see myself any other way... I honestly couldn't give a rat's tail what anyone thinks about the beautiful hair flowing from my scalp.
@@archerlasvega I am 77 and have worn my hair natural since I was 21, was criticized by husband, family, friends, etc., yet I was able to withstand, endure, & not once did I care what Black or white thought. To this very day, I continue to possess a full head of healthy locs and get compliments regarding the varied styles. Healthy, beautiful locs of strength & glory. I dislike all artificial hair & learned by defiance to love what the Creator has endowed me with, viz., my crown. Shalom.
@@archerlasvega My daughters grandmother (fathers mother, may she rest) came to me wanting to put weave in my daughters head when she was 5. I told her no and the very next day I sent my girl to school rocking a full fro and big ole pink bow. I got a call from her teacher later in the week. She said thank you for sending her to school that way. The other little girls have been showing up with their natural hair since seeing hers. She's a trend-setter. My girl has only had a perm twice. Once by accident (her dad stepped away from the shop to get a drink and they permed it...grrrr) and then once in 6th grade because she wanted to try it, since she didn't remember. Since then it's all natural. Last year before COVID took her to Vidal School to get it dyed blue (she's an anime kinda girl, wanted her blue) and they were elated to get to dye her hair. But the sistahs in there were shadowing the little white girl so hard and lookin at me, nodding, as if to say 'We're watchin mama, don't worry' (I was in another chair). They did a good job. She loved it. Wish I could share photos. She walked out with the biggest pretty blue fro. She has no shame over her hair, and takes excellent care at age 18. We both straighten only if we have to do a home cut. Can't cut it right when it's not straightened out (at least we can't. End up lookin all kinda crazy). Your mother did what she thought best to protect you. Mama's make mistakes, hope it got better and you are rockin your crown however you'd like to wear it. :) I bet it's beautiful.
We don’t care about black women’s hair and we don’t care what they think of ours. But if we don’t like a particular hairstyle; it is our right. You will never control other people. Accept yourselves and get over it!!!
White women really couldn't care less about black women's hair. The largest group who both hate and "think it's less sexy" are BLACK WOMEN. Black women have such an inferiority complex regarding their hair that in order to deal with it, they superimpose their own hate over the people for whom they consider the biggest source of their complex... white women.
Women who don’t have full natural hair are always going to be jealous of others who have a head full of full natural hair. We don’t start balding at 25 like other groups!
Absolutely, I can remember my older cousin having one of her bi-racial friends touch my hair after I went swimming and told her to say "ouch it hurts". I relaxed for over 20 years before going natural. I struggled with it for a few years and now I have learned how to make it do what it do. Now that same cousin is always staring; saying that I can wear any style and look good?? Has asked several times if I can come help her or if her hair will look like mine...Truth is, probably not because we are all original masterpieces. She can finesse whatever her true texture is and become satisfied. Her dedication to learning her own hair goes in and out so I'll let her hang out in that space until she decides.
I'm not black but I've got loads of negative comments if I wear my natural curly/frizzy situation vs blow drying and straightening my hair. So I can understand how black women would get that to another level if your hair is really tight curls and lots of volume.
I'm all about the culture but is it just me who is tired of the "BI-RACIAL/MIXED" people especially the women always speaking on their NOT FULLY WHITE/ETC. Struggle as if it's the same as the BLACK STRUGGLE (at then end of the day yall are still more excepted then we are it's a little insulting hearing trying to compare the situation when you and I both know they are not the same)Tamara please have several seats like you said they think you hair is cute or fun they think BLACK women hair is ugly and rough
I can honestly say I’ve only had positive experiences with my natural 4c hair. But then again I don’t know what it’s be like in corporate, but I’ve been around plenty of old white ppl and they gave me the most compliments they’d be intrigued by how it looked like a “cloud” 😂
You said 4c to get attention and throw shade at 4b. I get plenty attention and no shade an I am 4B. no one was talking about hair texture grade on the chart so you are toxic.
My mind was blown JUST THIS WEEK, when a curly haired white woman interrupted my Puerto Rican co-worker to tell ME “You and I could probably talk about curly hair care for hours”. I just kept thinking...🤔 it’s not the SAME kind of “curly” though Sis.😂 People of other races, and my own black race have always made mention of my hair, even as a child. I never saw it as being any different from my black family or friends, but even THEY would say “you have good hair”, which has always disgusted me. I felt like it was a way to further cause division. I just let my hair do what it wants, and I’m not particularly fond of mine being straightened. Wash and go, let it FRO, I couldn’t possibly care any less.😅👏🏽❤️
I'm a white woman who is NOT woke and not p.c. and I'm sick and tired of black women insulting white women, my hair is soft, and plentiful and slightly wavy, its perfect, no thanks to me, I ignore it.
@@marilynwillett804 I’m another Black woman with soft, plentiful, curly, wavy perfect hair. I can wear my natural hair straight, curly or braided. I just love my hair! Don’t you also just love being able to rock both curly and straight styles too without having to wear wigs or use chemicals? 😃
A perm isn't natural nor is straightening our hair. Remy sounded like she hates her hair. You can't talk Black hair with women who aren't Black, they never get it and some Black women don't either.
How women of other groups feel about kinky natural hair should be of limited to no consequence to black women. What matters is that black women appreciate and manage what grows naturally from their scalps. It reaches towards the sun! With respect to the sexy thing, that is propaganda. Look at the young actress in Coming to America who was the potential bride. Her hair was 100% natural. It was glorious!
Ok… Look I get that it’s strange for non-dark skinned people because they don’t live in our skin and its probably coming from a good place- but ugh… I am honestly just sick and tired of the- “*Gasp* there are people who discriminate against black people for xyz?! By golly, gosh, I am floored” reactions. I feel like people do this to avoid speaking directly to the issue and it’s getting ridiculous to me now.
Except - the point is exactly this: let Black women do whatever they want! There's business constraints making it smart to wig up and it is what it is - they at least addressed it - but the bigger point was they acknowledged loving their natural hair, regardless of the circumstances.
As a white women I have tons of black girlfriends who touch my hair, its not personal they just are always checking it out. Usually advising me on what products I need to try LMAO Seriously the health of my hair as a white woman got so much better when I started going to a black stylist. She had a deep understanding of different hair grades (I'm a high density fine haired wavy) and she had to teach me about protecting and treating my scalp. Made all the difference
You can't comprehend it, really? You haven't seen the decades of racism & discrimination putting down natural hair? People being ridiculed and losing jobs? Yeah, where they get the idea to hate their hair 🙄
Black hair is the most versatile. Our hair is the best. We can do what we want with our hair. White women are limited to how they can wear their hair. We hair hair like JESUS ! Hallelujah ‼️
I respect Black women's feeling on this, but honestly I can say I have always envied the variety of ways Black women can wear their hair. While I realize how much work is involved depending on your hair type, and I know that the backlash to hair is a real phenomenon, I still admire natural hair - the curl, the volume, the dynamic it adds to your appearance - all of it. Any judgement of character based on appearance is such bs - no indication of a persons moral compass or personality or character. On a side-note, I have straight, often stringy hair, which marginally improved after childbirth, but let's be honest - genetics are genetics and I'm never winning that battle.
Did you feel pressure about your hair growing up?
Growing up, yes.
NOPE!
The only thing that could cause that is ignorance.
Yep and still do
Yea it black women are the worst critics to other black women. Speaking from experiences
Did Remy Ma just say “Good Curly” hair??? That’s a part of the problem. When we as black woman use that type of terminology, it perpetuates the problem. There’s nothing wrong with kinky curls. It’s “good” as well.
I totally agree with you
Facts💯
That's right.
Exactly then she said Michelle Obama wore her natural hair. 😔 Michelle made sure she her hair straight everyday. Remy just needs to be reprogrammed Lol . It takes a lot to be woke
Learn how to manage your curls, kinks and live.
The only two fully black woman are wearing full silky wigs. It’s not just about protective styling, theres a reason they’re wearing Brazilian straight and not kinky curly. The biased is internalized
Your hair is straight too
Level Up In this picture lol I wear it natural now
Ok so you understand the pressure that BW are under then?
But there are racist reasons why they have to do that, just as the study showed.
Amby I agree , but Tamara has a wig on too
What Adrianne said about how black women don't go around touching non-black people's hair the way other people have the audacity to do to them... been talking about this my whole life. Make it make sense please.
Just being real, quite a number of black women are wearing Indian Remy, Brazilian and Malaysian hair textures daily on top of their own natural texture, they would have less of a compulsion to touch a non-black woman’s hair because they are already experiencing it in the form wigs or weaves
So True Smh
That's not even true though. I'm a Latina with "white" women hair and the Black girls always wanted to touch my hair growing up. They found my hair fascinating. I grew up with only Blacks and Hispanics, very, very few Asians. Practically zero white people. So yeah, we get the same reaction from Black girls. I hate how one sided everyone's experiences are in on the panel. It's like Adrienne doesn't know anything.
@@sherell73 I think some of your comment was lost in translation, but if I understood it correctly, I think you will find the book Hairstory enlightening. Everything comes from something.
testing/touching peoples hair grades is giving slavery auction block vibes grossssss
Are we really still saying good hair? It’s mine so therefore it’s GOOD. Stop saying that.
Amen!
My hair is bad though, can't lie, it's just thin and won't grow so I haven't got "good hair". Not necessarily to do with texture though, just the quality of it is rubbish.
I was shocked when she used that offensive term, and I know she did not mean to offend. So sad that such a beautiful woman can say this about her hair. Prayers
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Facts
Remy Ma, there is no such thing as "good" hair. As long as it is healthy, that is considered "good" hair. Wake up!
We all know what she means when she says that. Please stop trying to gaslight.
@@purrfectnails2473 it doesn't make it any less ignorant. We need to stop saying it. Geesh, is 2021, not 1961.
@@purrfectnails2473 no hair texture is inherently bad? Is wool a lesser fabric than silk? That’s how dumb ppl sound when they say good hair & bad hair. It’s just two different textures. Neither is bad, they’re just different & require different care.
Period
@@purrfectnails2473 I don't know what she means, I have thick beautiful, textured hair, that's good hair to me.
Let's be honest though, theres a difference between curly and kinky hair on how it's percieved. The tighter your curl pattern the more bias youd experience I'd imagine.
yes, and regardless a hair is more curly than others no one has the right to make people feel uncomfortable of their hair. That is not right.
@@bsbgirl85 Nope the fact that she has curly hair period most don't like it, because I've heard both twins say they were not allowed to wear their natural hair and other mixed race curly hair has said the same...people have to stop assuming they know others experience, because you wouldnt want others to tell you your own experience
@@keshahunt1476 To white ppl. White ppl will make them (Biracial w/ curly hair) feel a certain way about it. But Black men...our own black men will praise it 3c or Tamara's hair, while making fun of 4c or "nappy" hair. Think Martin making fun of Pam. Featurism plays a role. THe difference in what you are saying is that yes, Tameras's experience might have had a negative when with white ppl in Hollywood. But also may have benefitted from black ppl with support. So let's be clear. Women with tight kink will not get benfits and praise from white people, OR BLack ppl. If that were the case , Loni would wear her natural hair on the show. Yes, Tamera wears wigs on the show, but every now and then she will rock her natural hair. You never see Loni leave the wig behind and wear her natural hair.
@@keshahunt1476 that was the 90's.we are talking about NOW
@@purplelove3666 The 90’s? No what she said applies now too. The fact that so many of us wear wigs and weaves NOW shows that we have bought into the madness
Remy Ma saying "y'all have that GOOD curly hair, unlike Lonnie's and mine" was the most ignorant comment throughout their conversation. Black people, please stop thinking and saying kinky/nappy hair is bad hair, it isn't.
I already didn't care for Remy...it was something about her...I damn sure don't like her now. Her comments were embarrassing!
That was soo ignorant 🤦🏾♀️
Period its the conditioning of the slave masters of our ancestors
@@memeaw76 Exactly! It was the conditioning of our ancestors.
@@memeaw76 you are absolutely right
As usual, dark skinned women are out here denigrating 4 textured hair, smh. Why do people keep talking about protective styles. When you wear weaves and wigs 24/7, 365, what are you protecting your hair from, seeing the light of day?
So true, so funny 🤣
@@Tsadiah1 what a ridiculous comment, what is the point of going to the trouble of keeping your hair moisturized, if you always cover it up. As a black woman with 4 textured hair who has been natural for 13 years (loc'd, for 2), I know all about looking after my beautiful crown. Stop making excuses and just admit that you like/prefer wigs and weaves, to your own hair. Your comment is akin to getting up every day, getting ready, including hair and makeup, putting your coat and shoes on, and then sitting in the house, i.e what's the point? Capiche?
@@Tsadiah1 you never said anything about head wraps, just braids. Don't you think it's a bit rich, you telling me it's women's choice how they wear their hair, like I said it wasn't. I was just pointing out the dishonesty.
You replied to my original comment, on a post talking about natural hair, where I was criticising the denigrating of 4 type hair. You seem to be getting very triggered, if my comment doesn't pertain to you, you should not be so defensive.
Continue wearing your 'protective,' styles and keep it moving.
Its like putting plastic on your living room furniture. You never get to feel the real thing. Loni need to stop talking about protecting her hair, she knows that on the weekend when she goes out she still wearing that wig.
@@Tsadiah1 thats was moisturizing and oiling ur scalp is for. Thats an excuse, i only wore a wig once in my whole life time and i have beautiful thick healthy kinky curls! If u abandoning ur hair dont make it grow. No offense but this is y some blk women end up bald headed becuase THEY not catering to their hair. I made the same mistake but my hair grew back, so i can speak from experience.U dont feed the baby it dont grow!
Remy Ma actually said that she wears hair according what type of people she's around was a self-hating, insecure, low self-esteem comment if I've never heard one.
Definitely.
But then thats the industry that shes in. Very featurist and colorist music industry.
Right, right! She know she is lying. She is self hating, insecure, low self esteem.
@Anthony Coleman. Doesn't necessarily mean she is self-hating or has low self esteem. I can relate to being conscious of how I wear my hair when I know I'll be in my corporate setting as the only minority in management. It always made me feel trapped and not free to have to get my hair styled and making sure its not too ethnic looking based on me seeing how minority females who work with me were treated with their hairstyles, comments that were made and even fellow management team members who would encourage me to tell other team members that their hair was too much. I would only tell them if the hairstyle was against what the company handbook stated was allowed not because someone else was uncomfortable looking and even sometimes touching their hair. But of course, who wrote the handbook to determine what was the company standard-them not us. I definitely do not have esteem issues but I do feel the added stresses of working in the environment as someone who stands out already then having to always be "mindful" of my hair made me feel enslaved to their opinions and to the system that defines beauty and what's professional. But I also know that if I would have worn my hair ethnically styled I wouldn't have gotten the job to be able to be on the inside to slowly make the needed changes including me having the ability to do the hiring.
Amen! Stupidity!!
Natural hair on black women is beautiful. Don’t hide it.
#travatraining, Thank you
#TravaTraining Coming from an all natural Queen.. thank you!
Say it again for the people in the back!
It's nice read the support and encouragement from BM .
I don't, and I live in Europe and often receive compliments from other ethnic minorities. They think I'm being brave, I call it me being who I was born to be...😊
This segment totally missed the mark 😞 when they speak about natural hair discrimination, it’s towards kinky textures. They only reinforced it.
Because once again a biracial woman (Tamera) derailed the conversation to whine about white people not accepting her "curls."
@@ms.bubs4fun506 but that’s her experience though. Loni and Remy could have done a better job at making the point. Their hair is kinkier.
Definitely!!!... they secretly apologize n for who they r... well lani wanna keep her job lol
Right Kaylee
The more we stop covering our hair the more others will have to accept our natural hair. But I agree with whoever said they missed the whole point of the study.
Adrienne is the only one that accurately expressed our frustration. Remy was right about there being a curl pattern hierarchy. The curly movement that Tamera is talking about has been going for the last 10 years but in the last 5 years has been overtaken by biracial and multiethnic looking women with finer textured curls while the 4a-4c women have become severely underrepresented. This is America
I don't think you should use the term "finer texture" because finer implies a better quality or grade. They simply have looser curl patterns. The curls are just not as tight
What's even more pathetic is that most black women have type 4 hair, but we manipulate our hair to look like type 3. So sick of texturism and colorism in the black community.
Completely agree. The amount of 4c you tubers who’s channel is about the ultimate twist out, braid out, Bantu knot out, they’re sleeping in curl formers, rollers with 4 types of curling butter and gels!! And some are spending $700 on a Gina curl! So it either looks like a looser texture or it chemical changed to different texture
Ikr
@@ms.bubs4fun506 well I know people with 4c and I can tell you, for MOST (not all) a wash n go isnt gonna be the best option. I have no problem with twist outs.
Adrienne Bailon is the only one who showed passion. Remy is talking about wearing wigs as a solution threw me off. She was very nonchalant. I feel for Tamara but society loves biracial features and they understand that they have curly hair. The afro or kinky hair are the ones that face discrimination the most
@Just Michelle I agree! I was abit surprised. I wasn't aware she was like this.
Yet Tamera does understand cause when she wore hey curly hair, she was turned away
Even though biracial hair and features may be more accepted she still faced discrimination because of her hair in e entertainment industry. Also keep in mind she was a child star and natural hair (even lose curls) weren’t normalized in the 90’s.
@@GDL364 I agree with you. We shouldn't undermine people's experiences. I'm sure for her as a child, it must been heartbreaking.
Adrienne is married so her name changed to Houghton. Please dont take away the validity of Tamera's testimony. She is black and still experienced racism.
I have to be honest Adrian even as a Latina a non black Latina represents black women better than Lonnie and Tamara put together she actually expressed our point of view better than the two black women sitting there
I think they did a good job. They were just relating what happened to them.
You can't really be a black woman making this comment.
@@mrmccall90oo32 You are talking to life360?
Adrian was on fire but maybe it's easier for her to do that. Tamara and Lonnie may policed more harshly for showing how they truly feel. This is so sad, don't be too hard on them focus on confronting & breaking such bias from the society.
@@woodswal none of them are natural so therefore should not be speaking on this debate
Even the black women on the panel aren’t wearing curly natural hair.
That is why I ain't feeling them.
This is unfortunately true. But it would also be nice if black celebrities would wear their natural hair more. I understand wigs are protective styling and it’s their decision if they want to wear them, but representation is important as well. We can normalize it If we have more celebrities wearing their natural kinky curly hair and it’ll give confidence to our young black girls. At the end of the day nothing is wrong with wigs but I would love to see some natural hair too
Exactly 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I like your answer
Why do they keep saying protective styling? Men don't dear wigs and their hair is just fine. What are they protecting it against?
@@minadopaul8287 you sound ignorant
@@Tay-hd5hr Exactly. If you have 4 type hair especially as a WOMAN that would not even be a question.
And Remy saying ‘you got that good curly hair’ ...Lord, educate her. Also Remy, Michelle Obama did not wear her natural hair... it was straightened!!
Still her natural hair. Having natural hair doesn’t mean you have to always wear it in it’s kinky or curly state. Our hair is versatile and we should be able to wear all the styles. She’s only not natural if her hair was relaxed.
Exactly! I just posted a similar comment
@@noirfit9721 Natural means the way it grows out of your head and Michelle Obama’s hair is not naturally straight. She’s either using a pressing comb or relaxers. And I have no argument with how anyone wears their hair...but if you’re straightening your natural hair then it’s not in its natural state
But they do have the "good hair" and that's the point. Our hair is considered bad. That's the whole point. She spoke the truth
@@racourdav it doesn't have to be one way or the other. You can be natural and straight or pick your hair into an afro, both are natural styles. But I get what you mean. When we're talking about curls, Michelle's hair does not apply
Remy Ma just showed her ignorance on so many levels on this episode. She actually used the term "good hair" and spoke so negatively about type 4 hair. I cringed. She also said that Michelle Obama wore her natural hair. Mrs. Obama is natural, but she always wore it straight. There's a difference when you present as an African American women with your hair unaltered in it's natural state.
We gotta give her grace since she was locked up a good minute must've missed out on the memo 🤷🏽♀️
Yes. This is one segment Remy just didn't do well. Tho it seemed that most of the time she was quiet, like Jeannie. Lol.
@@1eDITORcHRIS 😂😂😂 that's a good point. We need to bring her up to speed.
"Remy Ma just showed her ignorance on so many levels..." Big time! Bless her heart
Michelle kept a sew it... bob length so ppl thought it was hers
This discussion was absolutely disgusting and the panel did a TERRIBLE job representing black women.
Yes! So much ignorance, it was embarrassing! Remy Ma needs to just shut up. Everything she said was ignorant, inaccurate and cringe worthy! Also, The Real producers are a joke--they mention 4 celebrities with natural hair and 3 out of the 4 are women who are biracial. 🙄 They threw beautiful Lupita in for good measure. If they are not going to have an intelligent conversation and properly prepare themselves, dont bother!!!!
@@tinastardust7793 Absolutely! I made like 3 comments I was so upset and yours summed them all up. Good luck to you!
I wish I would care about what WW thought about my hair.
And yet you are here.
@@leilo330 That comment went over your head 🤦🏾♀️
Jealous ppl are always going to attack something about you to make you feel unattractive & unacceptable. If you have KNOWLEDGE of yourself, shake the negativism off and keep walking with your head high😁
@@drinkwatereatmelons7048 Best comment on the page.
@@drinkwatereatmelons7048 I love your comment and username. So simple and happy go lucky 😊❤️
Who cares what white women think? Love your hair black woman! God gave you great hair!
Why do white woman care about black womens hair anyway? Are they afraid white men are attracted to it?
As a blk woman, I dont care what white women say or feel about my God given natural born hair! I dont answer to them! I love me, my deeply melinated dark skin color and my natural kinky hair. They want what we have and cant obtain it naturally.
As a white woman you are 💯 correct and jealously is so ugly and unbecoming! Tearing someone else down isn’t going to make them feel any better about themselves. Only making themselves miserable. Sad.
@@extrememakeoverfan ❤️
Penny Luke,I say that WW who are negative toward BW hair can be the WM problem not mine. To be honest who cares what they think. Most of them don't even like each other,never mind us
Exactly 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾♥️
If you really would not care, you would no be so damb obsessed with WW, since it has nothing to do with you!
Remy Ma was talking about how expensive hair care products are but them wigs and weaves are expensive too. One thing I've discovered about maintaining natural hair is finding a regimen that works for you and sticking to it. Trying new things usually makes you break the bank and honestly natural hair doesn't require too much.
In this segment everybody said something that made me cringe. Adrienne saying white ppl have greasy, 3 strands of hair, Jeannie pointing out the black women who embrace their hair but all of them are mixed race, and Remy referring to the mixed race people as having "good hair" and her and Loni's as not. I cringed 😬 the whole time.
oh you forgot Tamera talking about the discrimination against her hair , when she's sitting next to two women with 4c hair.. not exactly 'cringe' but awkward
@@mariaoviedo5881 Yes!
Yep. Was waiting for this comment. 🙄
@@mariaoviedo5881 (Not to be rude) Did Loni and Remy actually say they have 4c hair or did you just assume they do because they're fully black? IJS just because Remy said they're textures are more difficult to manage doesn't automatically mean they have 4c hair. Also Tamera has the right to share her experience no matter who is sitting next to her. That's what she personally went through so she should tell it.🤷🏽♀️
@@deidrajames6686 I don't think Loni or Remy specified a type, but they both allude to their hair being the most difficult to deal with and Remy said products for her type were the most expensive. That may be where the assumption that they are 4C came from. I don't know. I'm tired of defending my skin tone and my hair texture. I'm all the way over it.
I refuse to assimilate to European beauty standards. Black woman have to stop caring about what others groups of women think of them and recognize we are beautiful. And anyone sitting around worrying about how we decided to wear our hair that day needs to get a life.
You refuse yet you continue to appropriate whitw European hair 👍🏻
Because it puts our differences in their face and it’s the one thing that they can’ not have and will never have. It also illustrates their need to feel above us.
THEY? their? do you realize you're letting caucasians live in your mind?
PREACH! FACTS!
Agreed!
@@marilynwillett804 It's true.
@@marilynwillett804 you must be Caucasian
We need a National Crown Act bill to protect all Black hair textures! All our hair is beautiful
We also need laws that punish any one that makes a anti white statement in public and private that is intended to hurt ethnic white european peolple none of this unfair race treatment end the non white priviledge cards for none whites in schools business law stop anti white programs
i got dark blonde hair , blue eyes , cute nose , lice non curly hair :D now i now why those blackys hate us :) they just envy us
I lost a lot of respect for Remy in this segment. Every texture of Black hair is "good" hair.
Lonnie was looking at her too like 😬😯
@@koffaTV Not to mention her own husband told her he loves her natural hair. So why not embrace it and take off that big ugly wig. What she means it takes too long to do, she can see a natural hair stylist keep it up. And why are you changing who you are to fit into your different social groups she sounded so ignorant what a disappointment to black women. Sounds like she is making too many excuses to justify her self-hate of her natural hair.
"That's the slave mentality of people? Generational colonial mentality of some white and black people, its not her fought, it is what she has heard by family members or others that think like this?" Curly hair by mixed kids is not the same as most black hair that is kinky, Afro, smoother curly hair?" They are trying to say the mixed curly hair is all natural now days? Its not the same hair texture because mostly black hair comes in so many textures, shapes, yet is not because of admixture hair, in most cases?" It seems in those pictures are ways to promote mix people natural curls compare them to the natural black hair people? Just because someone has natural curly hair because of being mixed or people with straight hair is good hair, does not make it so, it is how well you groom and take care of the hair, that matters the most? Everyone's hair is not going to do the same things?"
@@koffaTV yep lol
No
It’s so bizarre when people say “ it would take hours for me to wash and style my natural hair” but you can sit hours in a chair getting weave for $200+. People just need to admit they don’t like their hair and that it is not appealing to them. You don’t have to spend hours on your hair if you make a healthy regimen.
Nah a headband wig literally takes 5 minutes to put on sew ins are outdated
@@chantelbeavers6494 if their taking care of their real hair underneath that’s cool.
@@chantelbeavers6494 once you get to know your hair and do it often it will take you no more than 10 mins to fix your natural hair. All it takes me is a spray bottle ( with water in it) and my favorite leave in conditioner. You won’t even need a wide tooth comb. People simply don’t know how to take care of their hair so yes “ it takes long”. I used to say that too.
@@iamme7664 yup
@@chantelbeavers6494 no it doesn’t. You still have to get braids installed which means that you have to get a blow dryer out which will take about 2 hours total.
It’s so sad and ridiculous how accurate this is... I have no problems with Job interviews when my hair is straight, I’ve never been turned down a job with a straight haired wig on... the one Job interview I went to with natural hair, i didn’t get the job. And that was a damn good interview, one of my bests.
I feel like that happened to me too
Weird because I have gotten more jobs wearing my Natural 4C hair than I ever have wearing a wig so I guess it depends on the interviewer
@@danielleharris6668 definitely
@OwO Covet yea thats the problem
If it was only once it certainly could have been that someone else had their "best" interview that day.
Remy is making herself look really insecure and self hating
She doesn't like her hair..
Why are we explaining our hair!!😡 Are u serious!!! I do not even validate those ignorant people's perspective of MY HAIR.....
Amen! 🎯
Right !!! I don’t give a damn what someone else thinks . Never have !
I’m not offended. I just think people are attracted to what they are familiar with. However, as a black woman I also think we’ve been conditioned to think that we have to conform to a more European standard of beauty. We don’t! My hair is my hair and I don’t have to conform to anyone’s standards.
Yes but there are millions of people who look different, and automatically not liking other people because they look different is ignorant and immature. The beauty about people IS our differences.
@@FiddleYourTiddle666 I agree with you 100% percent because I raised in a colorist Latino-identitying, European-identifying family (even though we are mostly native ancestry), and my parents always had this and that to say about black folks because ONE TIME when we lived in apartments in Atlanta, one of our cars got broken into and my parents let that be their lasting impression of black folk. Me however, I never let their opinions of ignorance get to me because as a child, not only did I view melanin-rich skin as beautiful because of the way it shined in the sun like gold, seeing how ignorant my parents were and slightly still are, it made me see people for their character and integrity and not anything else. I don't view my parents as wonderful people; I view them as ignorant fools. And I have said this to their face. And they rarely ever argue with me because I make them realize the fools that they are. They are even more ignorant for refusing to re-educate their minds and aligning their souls with good values.
That terminology “good hair” is super offensive. Who decides what “good hair” is?
Exactly good hair is what God gave us.
White America gets to decide.
@@malcum5488 They decide,we dont have to fall in line with their decision.
All us Black women need to do is - spend more time and effort learning how to maintain our hair in its natural state. IMO, weaves, wigs, heat from blow drying and then more heat with straighteners, hiding from moisture/rain is just too much and takes up way too much time. Just learn how to lovingly maintain your natural hair 👸🏾
Or the sister's could go for 3c-4c wigs and weaves instead of going for the straight wigs/weaves...
I agree 💯
This study most Black women have been talking about for decades about how they are discriminated against because of their natural look. It is very clear what is going on
And then bm bash us for being in a catch 22 that they put us in. We are damn in this life due to haters from all sides.
@@sickofit5547 it's not bm that put Black women in that catch 22. Everyone is responsible for their own life however there are some bm and Black women that are unfortunately brainwashed by Western Society and subconsciously carry out their agenda of divide and conquer. A mature Black woman wouldn't assume all bm are this ignorant they would know what the problem is and focus on just on bm that build with them.
@@TheAlkebulanTrust no mam. You better relook your history. We are integrated because of bm. And we were sold because of bm. If we were segregated none of this would have happen.
Let's make this clear they are bias to "4C" hair they love "3C" because it make them think you're less black
Nope really because many mix people with the pretty curls get the same treatment as the tight curl girls, if it's not straight and blond most try to make them cover it
@@keshahunt1476 no mixed people have it easier than black people with type 4 hair don’t be delusional. 🙄
@@Grace-jb1sl Thank you! She's delusional.
@@Grace-jb1sl yea you’re right, mixed people have it easier. Key word here is easier but to say there isn’t a bias at all against mixed hair is factually incorrect.
@@EllePlowPlow you got that right! They still get discriminated against for being half black but because they are half white or Asian or whatever, they have an easier time in life than full black people.
I encourage the ppl in the comments to be fine with what grows outta your head instead of worrying about buying 50 wigs.
yes dad
Preach!
@@ms.bubs4fun506 said like a life long relaxer ,imagine being embarrassed over your parents race and its features ,imagine broadcasting it to everyone lmao
word up
@@shaundavidssd Redirect your bad energy towards the black men that hate 4c hair. Let BW live in peace without your control, shaming tactics, and judgment.
The fact that Jeannie called out celebs’ hair who were mixed tells you something. Tam had to throw in Lupita to save her. But Jeannie has grown up since this ep so kudos to her.
facts 4c hair is discriminated against more
Jeannie honestly may not have been aware
@@JCole-fg3rr
She’s not aware.
Right
@@adbc1f72 Jeannie has dated plenty of BM and she is married to one. I am sure those BM have said plenty to Jeannie about BW hair.
Just accept us cause you're never gonna understand. 🖤🖤🖤
Dont seek acceptance from another human being.
@@purplelove3666 In a fantasy world where everything is fair and balanced that would be true but in this reality we need acceptance for survival. That defiance energy is not strategic at all.
@@ms.bubs4fun506 I said what I said.your life is in God's hand. Not in the hands of amother human being
From a white woman trust me it's all love ❤❤ I personally don't like the word "acceptance" or even worse "tolerate." Who am I to decide that? It goes without saying, at least for me. We're all God's children and beautiful.
@@saraelisabeth9038 that's good.but God doesnt have children.he is above human characteristics. Have a good day Ms Sara
I don't give a damn who's offended by my hair. Cause 10 times outta 10, they envy it
Yes mam!!!
When did they say they were offended? They just asked for their preference. They answered. People can’t have their own opinions?
@@bastian9693 you must can't hear?? The entire segment is based on white women getting offended by black natural hair. They literally said it. With that being said, you can dismiss yourself cause it's obvious what kind of person you are.
@@Desi-zz4gb Lol what? All they said was that they found it less attractive. That’s nothing more than a simple opinion, right? Certain people have preferences. Doesn’t mean they hate what they don’t find conventionally attractive. Everything’s so black and white today. If someone said they found white hair unattractive, I wouldn’t really care. It’s an opinion.
You can’t dismiss someone from the internet, weirdo. Get off your high horse. 😂
@@bastian9693 there is a difference between stating what you like and degrading another person’s hair texture. That’s the point your hard head isn’t getting. Those ww were saying “you look less sexy with hair like that” etc not sure what there exact word was but it was rude. You can state your preference without being rude to others. 🙄
I am sick and tired of people judging us about our hair. I love my natural hair.
I don't care what anyone says or thinks about how I choose to wear my hair. I don't owe anyone an explanation.
I remember starting to wear my natural hair and black men would come up to me and actually say, i know it's not the popular thing - but I appreciate that you're wearing your hair natural, and this is the best way to style it, I love the way it looks. The power of it is not something to underestimate because it represents self love and God's will👏🏾🙏🏽
if hes going to bring God into it tell him to read the bible--God is against people who love themselves -'' in the last days people will be lovers of themselves'' RESPECT YOURSELF is what God wants--do not sleep with a man you're not married to, that is fornication --read where fornicators go--Jesus said why do you call me Lord and not do what i say? away from me i never knew you.
And now it's popular along with the wigs
I remember men telling me that and then I would turn around and point out 10 women with natural hair and they'd be like, I didn't notice them.
Beautiful. Love this comment. Most black men who are not walking around like mummies with no appreciation for their phenotype, like seeing us wear our hair even if they don't say they do. Some outright compliment, others hold the compliment in their mind.
There is something about it, especially when it is the kinkiest fluffy texture, that screams "I am comfortable being black; I am comfortable with my appearance, and I am comfortable with my reflection."
It resonates when you walk around. Some black men get so uncomfortable that they look away too when you walk by. I have seen that. I love wearing my hair as it is, particularly in a free afro state and sometimes I like wearing it deliberately because few of us women do.
Right and then they skipped off with their non-black woman! You lie to yourself…black males are the main haters of themselves, black women and children. They are half the reason why black women don’t wear natural hair. Kill the manipulative delusional diatribe…
Can someone give Remy some books to read. Ugh
For real. I dont think she meant it in a derogatory way but she couldve just said those women have a looser texture than me and Loni...she should know better
Tamara's sister tia is a good example of embracing her hair
@@keiyamcmorris9271 Okay but you have to remember that they are biracial. They have the type of hair that is worshipped in the black community and she’s with a black man so ofc she loves it lol
And this is why we as black women need to continue to create our own spaces! I appreciate every style of black hair but no black woman should have to damage her hair to be taken seriously.
So very true
This is why we need to stop claiming biracials and mixed folks as black. That's also part of the problem as well
@@brownskinbeauty. I couldn’t agree more!! I think mixed people should be able to be mixed but the lay people need time to wrap that around their heads!
Remy, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GOOD HAIR.
Yes, there is. Healthy hair is GOOD HAIR regardless of texture.
Yes, there is, all hair is good hair because it was given to you by God. And if you embrace it, take care of it which will produce healthy hair. This will improve on its goodness. And this is the gold standard of GOOD HAIR! Not the texture.
Oh yes there is. White ppls Hair is considered GOOD HAIR. black ppls Hair is considered.BAD HAIR. Just watch CHRIS ROCK DOCUMENTARY
Adrian has obviously been putting in some work. When she said normalize ALL kinds of hair she was touching on the root of the problem (pun intended). Remy Ma sounds a little bit ignorant. I hope she doesn't come back...personally 😬
She sounds A LOT ignorant 😖
I agree!! My hair is mixed but it is closer to Adrienne's texture and that whole conversation about good hair and bad hair on black women was so bizarre to me. Remy Ma definitely needed to do her research. When she said Michelle Obama wore her hair natural I was like ummm.... 99% of the time she had her hair blown out or with a silk press. Yes, her hair was natural in the sense that it wasn't chemically processed but she did wear it in styles considered to be "attractive" or "professional" since she was FLOTUS. When she did wear her hair how it naturally grows out of her head (I believe she may have been on vacation), she was criticized for it. Remy definitely has some hw to do lol. And if we're really talking about good hair vs. bad hair then curly hair is the BEST hair because of its versatility. You can't do much with naturally straight hair
I'm a white woman that has been on this planet for half a century and I have never given a damn how anyone wears their hair nor have I ever asked to touch or forcibly touched another human beings hair. There is a young black woman who works at my bank who wears her hair naturally and I consider her to be one of the most beautiful young women I've ever seen. So I'd be curious about the age of the women in this study.
Exactly! Thank you for your input. Agreed we ought to move around this world without the obsession of other people's naturally born hair/phenotypic characteristics. In a utopia of humanity, this would be the least of our concerns. Thank you for bringing your perspective.
I am a Black Woman. I think society try to always put us all against each other all the time. I get tired of it! White Woman have always complimented and said nice things about my natural hair. As humans we all should be able to do as we please with our Hair no matter your race.
Good for you.
I have been saying this all along. I have always felt and seen microaggressions from white and non- black women towards my natural hair. Thats why they had to pass the Crown Act.
I'm South African and I was doing an internship a few years ago at a design firm and I always used to slick my hair back into a bun or curly ponytail and one day it was a wash day so I decided to wear my hair all out, without tying it back or anything and the boss (owner of the company - white man) walked in and was like oh my God what happened to you? Were you in a rush this morning? And he laughed while he said it. Now me being just an intern and still new to working, I just brushed it off and giggled and kinda questioned it but not really. But when I really thought about it later that day I was like what in the hell. Who does that man think he is? Even when I brought it up to my mother she was like oh he was probably just joking and I said no that's not a joke. The way he said it told me it wasn't one. And even if he meant it as one, it wasn't funny. Luckily I'm comfortable and confident in my hair and that didn't deter me, but I don't think I'll ever forget that.
A black man would have said much worse to you.
Well done for seeing this for what it was ignorant and dumb
There was the white male Psychologist that laughed loudly when another coworker was saying my hair was sticking up (she was white but I discussed my hair with her so it wasnt an issue), then another time the Psychologist was all did you cut your hair it looks shorter....Im like no our hair can shrink...lol....he was so annoying. He knew who to come to with that...some other chicks wouldve microaggressed right back to him.
Black men have out us in this situation if they dominated their own continent economically we shouldn’t have to go through this
Stop all the black male hate comments you sound ridiculous!
Why would we care if WW think our natural hair is “less sexy”? Not sure how many of want to look “sexy” for a WW.
As none of the black women don’t wear their hair texture🤦🏾♂️
We gotta get away from saying “good hair” or “good curly” hair. It’s 2021, what are we teaching our your girls and boys?
Is kinda ironic the ladies of color are all rocking straight styles while talking about this topic :p. No one mentioned this discrimination is a result of racism. Didn't point out the texturism associated with lose curls vs. Kinky type 4 hair. They're not even scratching the surface of this discussion
What racism are you talking
About ?. Most people in media are
black. sports , news .
even the vice president is African decent.
Interesting that Remy goes on about how much more expensive black hair products are and how labor intensive it is to maintain natural hair yet she spends probably hundreds of thousands on wigs and hours of installation and maintenance. Skip the excuses... if you prefer straight wigs to your own hair texture, just own that. They always say others don’t accept us but in my experience I always got more offensive comments from Black people and it typically starts at home.
You sre so right!
Right! She wasn't taking the conversation seriously. Talking about she has 50 wigs. Yeah like many black women can relate and spend hundreds of dollars of wigs!
Right, and im super natural slick bald and loving every minute of it, I was told to put on a wig but since I love me I'm good and wigless. I wish a bihh would tell me something about my head lol.
That's been my experience as well.
Who cares about their biases which I believe are all grounded in jealousy & envy. We are the goddesses of TMH.
It’s hard not to care when it deprives you of opportunity.
Find it interesting that these same whit women will couple with black men and not be offended by their hair. When they are having sex with black men do the men wear weaves.
@@theaansel8738 🤣
God didn’t create any “goddesses”. He created man and woman, angels and other in the universe.
I am jealous of your hair guys. You be waking up with your own personal cloud. I am jelly. Thank got they sell kinky clip ins.
I went natural in 2006 I have dreads and I wouldn't change it.
I admire dreds. I just don't have that kinda commitment, lol. I think they are so pretty though!
I just find it interesting that the wigs the women on the panel chose to wear are straight hair when they could've worn a more natural, textured style and be just as protective 🤷🏽♀️
*side note* I know my hair in my display pic is also straight, this pic is old and I'm too lazy to update it but I'm indeed rocking my gravity defying natural crown 🤣
I am so sick of black women having to explain or get ridiculed for whatever they do to their hair.
Here it is ladies,we need to create and have our own standard of beauty. Within our community embrace our fros,braids,kinks curls etc. Our skin tones and shades,our noses,lips etc and COMPLETELY cut out outside influences,though it may be hard,its worth trying. Our identity is worth fighting for!!!
Wear your hair however you want. It’s no ones business how you wear it.
Should have done a segment when they get men who are not into natural hair. But say they don't want the wigs and weaves girls. Basically type hair 3c or Tamera's hair type. Let's be honest. They are commenting on what white ppl have to say. When our own black men make fun of it?
They aren't "our" men. Why are you being possessive over a group of men who you just stated make fun of us? We gotta stop that
@@ASprinkleofAnime ok cool got it! Not our men. Now can we stop deflecting and get back to the message. The black men need to be honest. Lonnie has different hair type than Tamara....in this society UNFORTUNATELY thanks to FEATURISM 3c hair or looser hair tends to be celebrated and praised by black men. While Loni's hair type is not. Which is why she has said on the show, she will always wear braids or wigs, and never sow her natural hair. While Tamara a few times will wear it natural.
@@jl1134 I totally agree
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Why are people surprised....I'm afro-latino and I literally had a company tell me to cut my hair to get the job...then I said yes and they still didn't hire me...I have kinky curly hair and I combed and styled it for the interview and they still didn't like it🤦🏻♂️ btw it was a white person who interviewed me
I had an experience as a young girl similar to what Tamara experienced. A bunch of little girls at a sleepover pulled my hair up and when it stayed standing on its own they all laughed. I never forgot that.
What they didn't know is that it defies gravity. Too bad. Hope they are not still little girls and grew tf up.
😐 I felt that 💚
Wow. Smh 🤦🏽♀️
As a white woman I really appreciate black hair I think it's beautiful I've ways been jealous of it and when I was younger I never had the urge to touch their hair I never understood why people make such a big deal about it, it's just hair and every hair is amazing no matter what race. Ladies please don't change for anyone but yourself. ♥️
Thank you for your honesty.
You really pay to much attention to these fools.
@@edothagorman9309 elaborate
👍,thanks....I agree, its only hair, we are born with it, I'm not exchanging my GOD given beautiful hair for nothing, nor will I hide it.
Why are you jealous of it ? Also your jealousy causes harm to bw so that concerns me
4:15 Jeannie is surprised that we are judged by the hair on our heads, as if we have not always been judged by the color on our skin... this is the problem, people still find value in acting with shock. This is obvious.
I had a white female manager who would put her hands in my hair trying to find weave tracks because she couldn't belive it was my hair, that really passed me off and I had to tell her on several occasions do not to put your hands in my hair, she actually asked me "is that your hair" before the first time she did it
Report her to hr
Wow. Smh 🤦🏽♀️
We all have good hair, just different textures of good hair.
No one will hair shame me!!
You can't talk about God-given hair while wearing wigs. If you're proud of your natural hair, wear it out proudly. Don't hide it and then blame everyone around you. What does it matter what others think of your hair if you're comfortable in it??!
When Tamera was talking about how she loves this new curly hair movement I was waiting for her or someone to talk about the natural hair (ahem 4-type) movement, but nope, nada. And quite frankly it just reinforces the reality that the natural hair movement initially started for type 4 hair (mainly 4c) has been completely co-opted by the more palatable type of curly hair, not the kinky coily types that are most discriminated against.
Agreed and it's a shame. I've been natural for almost 12 years and have sadly watched the natural hair movement shift from women who had hair that mainstream society considered unattractive and unmanageable leaving to love their God-given hair to who has the longest hair or biggest, bounciest curls. Meanwhile, the women for whom the movement was originally intended (i.e. type 4b/c hair women) have once again been pushed to the background.
This isn’t true. As a black woman the most hair discrimination I received was from black women.
I've been natural for years, minimal wig wearing... it's about embracing our natural beauty, even though the Eurocentric world would have us believe it's wrong. Now, I could never see myself any other way... I honestly couldn't give a rat's tail what anyone thinks about the beautiful hair flowing from my scalp.
We make each other feel bad about our hair too. If you're not gelling the sides down and crimping it with gel, it's like uhhh!😕🙄 Ridiculous!
@@archerlasvega that’s fucked, I’m sorry that was said to you. I hope you have found your confidence again💞
@@archerlasvega I am 77 and have worn my hair natural since I was 21, was criticized by husband, family, friends, etc., yet I was able to withstand, endure, & not once did I care what Black or white thought. To this very day, I continue to possess a full head of healthy locs and get compliments regarding the varied styles. Healthy, beautiful locs of strength & glory. I dislike all artificial hair & learned by defiance to love what the Creator has endowed me with, viz., my crown. Shalom.
@@archerlasvega My daughters grandmother (fathers mother, may she rest) came to me wanting to put weave in my daughters head when she was 5. I told her no and the very next day I sent my girl to school rocking a full fro and big ole pink bow. I got a call from her teacher later in the week. She said thank you for sending her to school that way. The other little girls have been showing up with their natural hair since seeing hers. She's a trend-setter. My girl has only had a perm twice. Once by accident (her dad stepped away from the shop to get a drink and they permed it...grrrr) and then once in 6th grade because she wanted to try it, since she didn't remember. Since then it's all natural. Last year before COVID took her to Vidal School to get it dyed blue (she's an anime kinda girl, wanted her blue) and they were elated to get to dye her hair. But the sistahs in there were shadowing the little white girl so hard and lookin at me, nodding, as if to say 'We're watchin mama, don't worry' (I was in another chair). They did a good job. She loved it. Wish I could share photos. She walked out with the biggest pretty blue fro. She has no shame over her hair, and takes excellent care at age 18. We both straighten only if we have to do a home cut. Can't cut it right when it's not straightened out (at least we can't. End up lookin all kinda crazy). Your mother did what she thought best to protect you. Mama's make mistakes, hope it got better and you are rockin your crown however you'd like to wear it. :) I bet it's beautiful.
@@rasil4u u do not look 77 at all lol and your locs look great!
We don’t care about black women’s hair and we don’t care what they think of ours. But if we don’t like a particular hairstyle; it is our right. You will never control other people. Accept yourselves and get over it!!!
White women really couldn't care less about black women's hair. The largest group who both hate and "think it's less sexy" are BLACK WOMEN. Black women have such an inferiority complex regarding their hair that in order to deal with it, they superimpose their own hate over the people for whom they consider the biggest source of their complex... white women.
Women who don’t have full natural hair are always going to be jealous of others who have a head full of full natural hair. We don’t start balding at 25 like other groups!
Absolutely, I can remember my older cousin having one of her bi-racial friends touch my hair after I went swimming and told her to say "ouch it hurts". I relaxed for over 20 years before going natural. I struggled with it for a few years and now I have learned how to make it do what it do. Now that same cousin is always staring; saying that I can wear any style and look good?? Has asked several times if I can come help her or if her hair will look like mine...Truth is, probably not because we are all original masterpieces. She can finesse whatever her true texture is and become satisfied. Her dedication to learning her own hair goes in and out so I'll let her hang out in that space until she decides.
I'm not black but I've got loads of negative comments if I wear my natural curly/frizzy situation vs blow drying and straightening my hair.
So I can understand how black women would get that to another level if your hair is really tight curls and lots of volume.
I'm all about the culture but is it just me who is tired of the "BI-RACIAL/MIXED" people especially the women always speaking on their NOT FULLY WHITE/ETC. Struggle as if it's the same as the BLACK STRUGGLE (at then end of the day yall are still more excepted then we are it's a little insulting hearing trying to compare the situation when you and I both know they are not the same)Tamara please have several seats like you said they think you hair is cute or fun they think BLACK women hair is ugly and rough
Wigs and weaves are often thought to protect natural hair, but in reality, they can cause damage such as bald patches and receding hairlines.
I can honestly say I’ve only had positive experiences with my natural 4c hair. But then again I don’t know what it’s be like in corporate, but I’ve been around plenty of old white ppl and they gave me the most compliments they’d be intrigued by how it looked like a “cloud” 😂
You said 4c to get attention and throw shade at 4b. I get plenty attention and no shade an I am 4B. no one was talking about hair texture grade on the chart so you are toxic.
PSA: KEEP YOUR HANDS TO YOURSELF! DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT TOUCH OUR HAIR NO MATTER WHAT.
My mind was blown JUST THIS WEEK, when a curly haired white woman interrupted my Puerto Rican co-worker to tell ME “You and I could probably talk about curly hair care for hours”. I just kept thinking...🤔 it’s not the SAME kind of “curly” though Sis.😂 People of other races, and my own black race have always made mention of my hair, even as a child. I never saw it as being any different from my black family or friends, but even THEY would say “you have good hair”, which has always disgusted me. I felt like it was a way to further cause division. I just let my hair do what it wants, and I’m not particularly fond of mine being straightened. Wash and go, let it FRO, I couldn’t possibly care any less.😅👏🏽❤️
It's not "GOOD" hair Remy, it may be softer but definitely not better.
I'm a white woman who is NOT woke and not p.c. and I'm sick and tired of black women insulting white women, my hair is soft, and plentiful and slightly wavy, its perfect, no thanks to me, I ignore it.
@@marilynwillett804 so is mine and I am a very proud black woman with lots of thick and soft beautiful hair. Don't hate, appreciate 😉
@@issabout1420 That reply was smooth and perfect. I just love it 😊. 👏🏾👏🏾
@@marilynwillett804 I’m another Black woman with soft, plentiful, curly, wavy perfect hair. I can wear my natural hair straight, curly or braided. I just love my hair!
Don’t you also just love being able to rock both curly and straight styles too without having to wear wigs or use chemicals? 😃
A perm isn't natural nor is straightening our hair. Remy sounded like she hates her hair. You can't talk Black hair with women who aren't Black, they never get it and some Black women don't either.
How women of other groups feel about kinky natural hair should be of limited to no consequence to black women. What matters is that black women appreciate and manage what grows naturally from their scalps. It reaches towards the sun! With respect to the sexy thing, that is propaganda. Look at the young actress in Coming to America who was the potential bride. Her hair was 100% natural. It was glorious!
I love how New York Adrienne got when she was talking to fellow New Yorker Remy Ma. 💕
Ok… Look I get that it’s strange for non-dark skinned people because they don’t live in our skin and its probably coming from a good place- but ugh… I am honestly just sick and tired of the- “*Gasp* there are people who discriminate against black people for xyz?! By golly, gosh, I am floored” reactions. I feel like people do this to avoid speaking directly to the issue and it’s getting ridiculous to me now.
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Sorry but talking about this while Loni and Remy are rocking wigs and weaves ... I can’t!!
Except - the point is exactly this: let Black women do whatever they want!
There's business constraints making it smart to wig up and it is what it is - they at least addressed it - but the bigger point was they acknowledged loving their natural hair, regardless of the circumstances.
No kidding!!
You didn't need a study to know that
Good hair is when you take care of your hair, nappy hair is good kinky hair is good and thick hair is good hair too❤️
As a white women I have tons of black girlfriends who touch my hair, its not personal they just are always checking it out. Usually advising me on what products I need to try LMAO Seriously the health of my hair as a white woman got so much better when I started going to a black stylist. She had a deep understanding of different hair grades (I'm a high density fine haired wavy) and she had to teach me about protecting and treating my scalp. Made all the difference
Will never comprehend how someone can be “uncomfortable” with the way God created you.
It's of the devil ! (Evil) 😈 That "s why" it's comprehensible !!!! 🤔
Un - Comprehensible, was a type - O error !!!
You can't comprehend it, really? You haven't seen the decades of racism & discrimination putting down natural hair? People being ridiculed and losing jobs?
Yeah, where they get the idea to hate their hair 🙄
There are so many ways to look after our natural hair these days. These conversations are tiring and speaks of internalised issues
What's the good curly hair, Remy? I think every kinky, curly hair is beautiful
Black hair is the most versatile. Our hair is the best. We can do what we want with our hair. White women are limited to how they can wear their hair. We hair hair like JESUS ! Hallelujah ‼️
Wait, Michelle Obama always wore her hair natural? I thought she didn't until after she wasn't first lady anymore? Am I wrong?
I respect Black women's feeling on this, but honestly I can say I have always envied the variety of ways Black women can wear their hair. While I realize how much work is involved depending on your hair type, and I know that the backlash to hair is a real phenomenon, I still admire natural hair - the curl, the volume, the dynamic it adds to your appearance - all of it. Any judgement of character based on appearance is such bs - no indication of a persons moral compass or personality or character. On a side-note, I have straight, often stringy hair, which marginally improved after childbirth, but let's be honest - genetics are genetics and I'm never winning that battle.
It’s problematic that you’re jealous because your jealousy causes us harm
US BLACK MEN LOVE TO SEE OUR BEAUTIFUL BLACK WOMEN ROCKED THEY NATURAL 4C HAIR
just imagine wat 4c hair girls go thru🤧......