I almost prefer watching your fun builds to the super hard builds. The deity ones tend to help me with pvp with friends but your fun builds are just downright hysterical by the end
100% agree! The problem with diety is that you are forced into similar strategies despite playing different civs. To see one offs that show how fun the games can be are nice as well. One of my favorite games so far was the coastal raiding game. The reason was because it was so different and unique from other games.
Honestly when I want an easy game I'll drop the difficulty down to Immortal and accidentally win culture victories by like turn 170. Once you get used to Deity, Emperor does feel really low, but it also can still be frustrating sometimes because the AI can screw you in ways that you can do absolutely nothing about.
@@joelpierce1453 I've been playing old world recently and jesus the AI difference between old world and civ 6 is huge. Wars are crazy on 2nd easiest difficulty, they will literally fog of war bait, keeping all their units hidden from u and then send out a settler to bait u into wasting your turn, then charge with like 10 units at u the turn after wiping everything out.
Math: Builder is 62 production, Etemenanki is 180 production. 5 build charges gives a total of 75% of the wonder production, in this case 135 production. So in this case the builder was more than doubly efficient production wise. (This is all the math Potato asked for) Turn wise, Etemenanki would’ve taken 13 turns to finish outright, but the builder delayed its start by 4 turns. Big Spud started the builder on turn 34 - if he had started Etemenanki then, it would’ve taken until turn 47 to finish it alone. But with the builder, he could have finished on turn 43 (he chose to let the last turn go on its own, so actually finished on 44). The builder wound up saving 3 turns of wonder production, and had 2 spare charges, which is equivalent to roughly 25 production. So, building the builder first saved 25 production plus three turns of the cities production, about 14 per turn. This totals to 67 production saved, which is even more than the cost of the builder, so it was in fact doubly efficient.
I ussually dont do comments, but it was pointed out to me recently, that it can encorage ppl to keep up the content. So here is go. Love the content, keep up the good work :)
Was anyone else pulling their hair out when he's going "I need production in Beijing" and it was like "THE MARSH! THE RICE MARSH! +3 PRODUCTION! +2 SCIENCE! +4 FOOD! THE MARSH!"
I was thinking the exact same thing, me screaming at my phone "it's right there!" I was hoping him seeing the border growth was going to make something click, and him realizing it but alas lol
i've been watching all your old ep. because i like your content and everytime you upload some new civ6 gameplay i just click as fast to watch your gameplay. I've learned so much thanks to you. Keep it up!
FWIW, the monument to the gods pantheon stacks with China’s ability. The big problem with it for China isn’t anything about it being redundant. The big problem with it is that it has a time limit. Reeds and Marshes was definitely the right play, but if you were going for doing every wonder as China, monument to the gods would’ve made more sense.
Ya, the permanent Production is way more valuable than a (relatively) minor buff in a very specific window. Well, I say "permanent", we all know how Potato gets when he sees a harvestable resource.
Having that short buff, can give a flexibility as to how tiles are used. Potato likes to exploit a short term gain to the max, and there are ways to expand production down the line, some even through wonders Edit: That, and one may presume most tiles will become wonder/district
Your editor is the GOAT. I love your videos, I’m new to civ6 and city builders as a genre and not very good but I have fun regardless. Your videos really help newer players understand strategies and mechanics in this huuuuuge game.
Looking forward to seeing this series. I did a similar build playing mp with my buddies (we're all noobs) and just ran away with it. China is full broke. Figure you'll be rushing that desert patch for the pyramids? You know if you can risk it, leaving a single charge on each builder allows you to one-turn the later classical wonders (move one on, expend the last charge, move another on, repeat).
I think the math for the builder-charge-wonder-efficiency is this: 1 builder has 4 charges and costs 46 production. This cost increases by 4 prod for every new builder. Every charge gives you 15% the cost of the wonder. So you need 7 charges to finish ANY classical or ancient wonder, regardless of the total cost of the wonder. Ancient and classical wonders cost between 180 and 400 prod. 7 builder charges cost 84 prod for your first 2 builders. This cost goes up as you build more builders, but to reach the 400 prod limit you need to build 39 builders.
Only problem is if you do that you've also increased your builder cost a crazy amount without getting improvements (if you spend them all on wonders). Not the end of the world but can come back to bite you in the ass if you didn't plan out your overall infrastructure early on.
I did a similar game a while back. Used Babylon on king, had to restart twice after losing Great Bath or Oracle, but eventually managed to build every wonder in the game, from Great Bath to Amodson Scott and everything in between. The only placement I had trouble with was golden Gate Bridge, of which there was, literally, a single spot on the entire map that was a valid placement for it. Had to conquer a few cities to actually get it, but managed it no problem.
Looking forward to this series - my interest in Civ died a bit when I decided to transition up to the higher difficulty levels. I think this has inspired me to drop back down to Emperor and enjoy the game again!
17:45 potato: in the second city buying 2 bad tiles for production me watching: OMG PLEASE NO！there's a marsh rice tile that with the pantheon givs 4 food 2 production in one go !!! （all due respect）
I literally did this exact build earlier today. That’s crazy it worked out that way. Won a culture victory, but literally had an entire continent to myself
BTW, thank you for your videos. I was now able to win as Bà Triệu on immortal with tech and civic scramble mode, real earth huge map, starting in central america with heroes and legends mode, barbarian clans mode, sukritact's oceans, marathon speed. That was my first immortal win, done with diplomacy before 1600AD. I then was able to win a diplomacy game on Deity with the same map and settings, won in the second dark age back to back with Kristina/Sweden, also before 1600AD. It was in large part watching your videos to better understand the game that made that possible. Now that I can win with diplomacy, I can just tweak the strategies to start winning on deity in other ways. Once again, thank you! Also, Bà Triệu only being able to build districts on forest tiles, and most of north america on that map not being wooded, it was interesting being so limited on districts until I could plant trees.
The only thing I would have done to improve the early game on this would be to buy that other marsh tile in your capital before your borders spread to it naturally. The annnoying thing about "X tile gives better yields" improvements like wonders and pantheons is that they don't register for neutral tiles with the border expansion system, and also not to your own brain when seeing the tiles. Crouching yields, hidden 3 production, 2 science.
China and France wonder builds are my favourite way to play, but you're right, on deity it's not enough by itself to win the game. Looking forward to the rest of the series.
"Certain strategies on diety aren't viable." You're telling me! I had to drop all the way down to PRINCE to get a Domination victory for the achievement. On anything higher I kept accidentally getting other victories along the way!
@M C Don't worry, I'm just bad at the game. I have bad habits of settling all my cities on the coast and spamming harbors for the money. It usually ends with either me getting attacked early and losing, or me amassing so much money that I can just buy my way into winning a war. The problem then being that by that point I have enough science to win because I start buying all the buildings...
0:52 I can’t imagine somebody complaining about this. It’s not like you haven’t proven you can’t win on a higher difficulty or that it’s not just saving time on rerolling until you get stone. If you’re having fun the vids are fun
So I personally don't think Civ content creators should be worried about editing maps for specific builds. Otherwise you're just going to reroll a hundred times anyway until you get what you need. Might as well save yourself that effort and use the time to record.
The fact that potato looking for production in his second city just completely overlooked the marsh rice tile is driving me crazy. Also save your disaster file on your cursed Hungary game when?
I’ve been watching your older videos as I’ve just started playing civ with some friends and yesterday we were playing on prince and I was China, and I was getting wonders just because I could, I had 3 cities by turn 100 on online speed but I had like 8 wonders, it’s just too tempting. I would say tho China get an advantage on slower speeds as there wonder charge thing on the builder is percentile based. So if you play on say marathon as China it may be possible to get the wonders on deity due to essentially making the build time so much longer for everyone else but you.
i'm new in Civ 6 how to get production when i start with in a greenland location like this one? should i build encampments even if i just don't want to go to war or win by domination?
This strat is actually viable on deity, you just have to play it a bit differently and give up on the other ancient era wonders, rush the Stonehenge + wonder religion to build all the classical era wonders instead. Slightly less overpowered but still very fun.
I agree - plenty viable, although not necessarily optimal. Recently got a turn 240 culture deity victory with this religious opener into classical golden using china wonder chop.
Im super big a fan of playing on emperor difficulty if it means you get to show off more fun and weird builds. Its always nice to see you scrape out a deity win, but the cost is always that you can rarely go for super out of the way strategies or ones that only work because of late game snowball. Definitely would want to see more niche builds that are usually restricted on deity.
Quick Maths regardin' the garden: Hanging Garden Cost: 180 production Total Xi'an Prod/turn: ~18 (the base 17 plus the bonus 15% from pantheon) --- Universe 1: Potato starts building the wonder at turn 45 As seen at 15:55, Hanging Garden takes 10 turns to make -- Building ends at Turn 55. --- Universe 2: Potato builds the worker first, then starts building the wonder at turn 49. Hanging Garden started at turn 49 with ~18 Production/turn for 180 production total PLUS 27 production per builder charge = 45 total Production per turn. 180/45 = 4; Hanging Garden done in four turns -- Building ends at Turn 53 with a builder charge to spare. Conclusion: Potato was 2 turns more efficient and got an extra builder charge out of it. Math checks out.
I'm all about having fun playing games - sometimes it's just fun to chease it with a little bit of stone, a little bit of ease, and a little bit of wonders 😁 makes it so much more fun to play it the hard way, to just play now and then.
I never knew that you can feed builder charges into wonders even if you don't build them in your city and just placed them. First video of the series and I already learned something new. It has been ages since I played China, maybe I'll give it another shot.
Its good that you mention fun. Ive crawled up to king from settler. I just bought the dlc so im dealing with - loyalty, grievances, reaource management and so on. Readjusting strategies and game modes. Im not aversed to reloading now and again and perhaps rerolling a game if im boxed in. I alwys feel guilty then im like 'why feel guilty?' lol..... sometimes its about having fun. All of that said potatoes 'easy' is my next step.....i need to learn outside of just dom first....so much fun to see and have.
Emperor: the gentleman's way to play civ. And what's more, it's how I know for sure that the streamer just wants to have a little fun today rather than demonstrate once again that they're Good at Video Game. Do speedrunners stream nothing but wr attempts all day? No, sometimes they do a challenge run or try a dumb mod or get high and play on (heart be still) very hard rather than nightmare mode.
I think fun builds like this are more fun to watch. Deity is cool but some times it can get prety boring because of the early war declerations, not getting any wonders or losing religion etc.
Just something stupid I thought was funning was saying that now the monument won't take decades when in game it actually still took about a century or two after saying that. Early turn/year count is pretty crazy.
X is wonder cost /// B is builder cost /// P is city production Assume 5 charge builders (Laing + Xi China) Turns for wonder then builder = X/P Turns for builder than wonder (5 charges) = B/P + 5(X/P - 0.15X) = B/P + X/P(1 - 0.75P) X/P > B/P + X/P(1 + 0.75P)--> 1 > B/X + (1 - 0.75P) If 0.75P > B/X, then build a builder first If 0.75P < B/X, then build the wonder straight away Production is changing, so P in a real game isn’t going to be constant (P) The builder may take a turn or two to get to the wonder tile Amenities, Occupation, and War can change these equations by multipliers, so it should be similar in different scenarios
Wait, is the ability to spend builder charges as china in the base game without mods? Also feudalism (2) + that governor (1) + china (+1) + defaukt charges (3) + pyramids (1) = 8 charges
Wait! Wait! If you built monuments and take up the secret society of Void Singers afterwards, they convert to old god obelisks? I always played this wrong waiting to find the secret society before building the monuments? (I noticed you lose all production in a monument if you switch to that secret society while building one, which made me think otherwise)
I always wanted to do an all wonder run with China on settler difficulty, but by building everything, not conquering. I haven't tried that many times, but sadly it never happened yet.
I just won a culture victory as China on deity today!!! I didn’t get to build all of the ancient and classical wonders but I got a lot of the important ones like temple of Artemis , oracle, pyramids!
Is there some wrinkle limiting where one can build Stonehenge that isn't described in the Civilopedia? I played a game and built Stonehenge on a flat grasslands next to stone, but took too long and the AI beat me. I reloaded the starting seed. This time, I was told there was no place to build it. I bought the tile where I'd built it last time, and it wouldn't let me. I couldn't figure out why. There isn't a city population requirement or anything, is there? I tried moving my starting city's location and building on the same tile. Still no go. It's not the first time I've had trouble with Stonehenge. There have been other times where I've had a tile that's flat and next to stone and been denied permission to build, saying there's no suitable location. Please help me understand this. EDIT: Wait, there were woods on the tile I'd cleared before. Could it be that I don't have the ability to clear woods, yet? That wouldn't come with Animal Husbandry by any chance, would it?
I actually just did a Mansa Musa Deity game focused on wonders with the faith for wonder as my first belief and the culture\science\gold for every city with a wonder and it worked really fine. had to grab other tourism sources end game obviously but it made for a very fun game. EDIT: just saw you picked those exact 2 beliefs lmao ^^ And cherry on top, i also picked lady of the marshe and reeds ! Such a massive early production and science combo From memory i got : great bath, etemenanki, forbidden city, saint basil, petra, bolchoi, broadway, angkor vat, mausoleum, and a couple more i cant quite remember. was also about to finish maracan and sidney opera but won the game before that around T230. Imo, wonder focused build on deity are perfectly viable BUT they'll involve more RNG that more reliable builds.
Oh hey Emperor difficulty! It's been my favored difficulty since Civ 5. Tough enough that you still have to pay attention, but easy enough to be able to do random BS and get away with it?!
I really really hope one day potato will found a religion called "points for griffindor" so that I can chuckle at my own bad joke every time the religion spreads
Emperor is my favorite difficulty because the early game is reasonable but the game is still challenging for the first 100 ish turns. Sure, the AI is completely failing to keep up by turn 200 but let's be real, provided you can survive that long in the first place the same is true on Deity. The game just really needs a scaling difficulty, but if I'm playing without mods Emperor is the closest compromise for me. So even though I'm perfectly capable of winning on Deity (I've done it several times, though I still lose more than I win on Deity) I prefer to play on Emperor.
Hey Potato, I was wondering if you could explain which adjustments you made in the advanced set up on got lakes. Been trying to tinker with the set up and just had the most unplayable maps.
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I almost prefer watching your fun builds to the super hard builds. The deity ones tend to help me with pvp with friends but your fun builds are just downright hysterical by the end
yeah! Totally on the same page as you! 🙈
100% agree! The problem with diety is that you are forced into similar strategies despite playing different civs. To see one offs that show how fun the games can be are nice as well. One of my favorite games so far was the coastal raiding game. The reason was because it was so different and unique from other games.
Always did love that China's ability was basically "When in doubt, build wonders."
"When in doubt"
No, just: "build wonders."
With a sprinkle of: "we have great wall, I guess..."
@@Stachelbeeerchen and remember, if some builds the wonder your building. Kill them.
Civ VI China is bootleg Civ V Egypt, change my mind.
I appreciate the lower difficulty run. You've more than proven you can beat the Deity difficulty, so a more novel run like this is quite nice.
Ikr.
I just recently won deity, but the lower difficulty makes for more creative endeavours; As Potato so eloquently demonstrate
Potato calling emperor a low difficulity crushed my spirit
Honestly when I want an easy game I'll drop the difficulty down to Immortal and accidentally win culture victories by like turn 170. Once you get used to Deity, Emperor does feel really low, but it also can still be frustrating sometimes because the AI can screw you in ways that you can do absolutely nothing about.
@@joelpierce1453 I've been playing old world recently and jesus the AI difference between old world and civ 6 is huge. Wars are crazy on 2nd easiest difficulty, they will literally fog of war bait, keeping all their units hidden from u and then send out a settler to bait u into wasting your turn, then charge with like 10 units at u the turn after wiping everything out.
Catching up to a emperor ai is not hard but,getting rushed in the early game is hard
Math: Builder is 62 production, Etemenanki is 180 production. 5 build charges gives a total of 75% of the wonder production, in this case 135 production. So in this case the builder was more than doubly efficient production wise. (This is all the math Potato asked for)
Turn wise, Etemenanki would’ve taken 13 turns to finish outright, but the builder delayed its start by 4 turns. Big Spud started the builder on turn 34 - if he had started Etemenanki then, it would’ve taken until turn 47 to finish it alone. But with the builder, he could have finished on turn 43 (he chose to let the last turn go on its own, so actually finished on 44). The builder wound up saving 3 turns of wonder production, and had 2 spare charges, which is equivalent to roughly 25 production.
So, building the builder first saved 25 production plus three turns of the cities production, about 14 per turn. This totals to 67 production saved, which is even more than the cost of the builder, so it was in fact doubly efficient.
my brain hurts
I love these "Just for fun" games you do. My favorite series you did was Colonial Spain. It's cool seeing you just play with mechanics.
Very happy to see you start another civ build :) I don’t play on deity so it’s also fun to see things that can be done in lower difficulties
"Exodus of the Monumentality" I shouldn't have laughed as hard or as long as I did
I’m here for this more novel runs at Emperor! It’s a fun difficulty with less to worry about.
I ussually dont do comments, but it was pointed out to me recently, that it can encorage ppl to keep up the content. So here is go.
Love the content, keep up the good work :)
You hit on the very reason I don't play on deity. I want to try new and interesting things and sometimes deity just boxes you in
Was anyone else pulling their hair out when he's going "I need production in Beijing" and it was like "THE MARSH! THE RICE MARSH! +3 PRODUCTION! +2 SCIENCE! +4 FOOD! THE MARSH!"
Lul
I was thinking the exact same thing, me screaming at my phone "it's right there!" I was hoping him seeing the border growth was going to make something click, and him realizing it but alas lol
Yep.
i've been watching all your old ep. because i like your content and everytime you upload some new civ6 gameplay i just click as fast to watch your gameplay. I've learned so much thanks to you. Keep it up!
0:49 Potato is forgiven, but he needs to say 10 Hail Maoris and research 1 Our Future Techs
FWIW, the monument to the gods pantheon stacks with China’s ability. The big problem with it for China isn’t anything about it being redundant. The big problem with it is that it has a time limit. Reeds and Marshes was definitely the right play, but if you were going for doing every wonder as China, monument to the gods would’ve made more sense.
Ya, the permanent Production is way more valuable than a (relatively) minor buff in a very specific window.
Well, I say "permanent", we all know how Potato gets when he sees a harvestable resource.
Having that short buff, can give a flexibility as to how tiles are used. Potato likes to exploit a short term gain to the max, and there are ways to expand production down the line, some even through wonders
Edit: That, and one may presume most tiles will become wonder/district
Your editor is the GOAT. I love your videos, I’m new to civ6 and city builders as a genre and not very good but I have fun regardless. Your videos really help newer players understand strategies and mechanics in this huuuuuge game.
Looking forward to seeing this series. I did a similar build playing mp with my buddies (we're all noobs) and just ran away with it. China is full broke. Figure you'll be rushing that desert patch for the pyramids? You know if you can risk it, leaving a single charge on each builder allows you to one-turn the later classical wonders (move one on, expend the last charge, move another on, repeat).
I think the math for the builder-charge-wonder-efficiency is this:
1 builder has 4 charges and costs 46 production. This cost increases by 4 prod for every new builder.
Every charge gives you 15% the cost of the wonder. So you need 7 charges to finish ANY classical or ancient wonder, regardless of the total cost of the wonder.
Ancient and classical wonders cost between 180 and 400 prod.
7 builder charges cost 84 prod for your first 2 builders. This cost goes up as you build more builders, but to reach the 400 prod limit you need to build 39 builders.
Only problem is if you do that you've also increased your builder cost a crazy amount without getting improvements (if you spend them all on wonders). Not the end of the world but can come back to bite you in the ass if you didn't plan out your overall infrastructure early on.
i was certainly intersted in this during the interview video
I did a similar game a while back. Used Babylon on king, had to restart twice after losing Great Bath or Oracle, but eventually managed to build every wonder in the game, from Great Bath to Amodson Scott and everything in between. The only placement I had trouble with was golden Gate Bridge, of which there was, literally, a single spot on the entire map that was a valid placement for it. Had to conquer a few cities to actually get it, but managed it no problem.
Looking forward to this series - my interest in Civ died a bit when I decided to transition up to the higher difficulty levels. I think this has inspired me to drop back down to Emperor and enjoy the game again!
I'm immediately in love with this series and I desperately want more!
I love how happy and excited you sound in this intro. That's the dopamine rush that we all get when we hear "Heyyyy Spuddies"
Potato cheats in 1 livestream and now he’s spawning stone next to his spawn. This is the future liberals want!
woohoo! And paternal leave!!
17:45
potato: in the second city buying 2 bad tiles for production
me watching: OMG PLEASE NO！there's a marsh rice tile that with the pantheon givs 4 food 2 production in one go !!!
（all due respect）
I literally did this exact build earlier today. That’s crazy it worked out that way. Won a culture victory, but literally had an entire continent to myself
This is what I wanted and needed, thank you. I hope you'll enjoy playing it as much as I will enjoy watching it
BTW, thank you for your videos. I was now able to win as Bà Triệu on immortal with tech and civic scramble mode, real earth huge map, starting in central america with heroes and legends mode, barbarian clans mode, sukritact's oceans, marathon speed. That was my first immortal win, done with diplomacy before 1600AD. I then was able to win a diplomacy game on Deity with the same map and settings, won in the second dark age back to back with Kristina/Sweden, also before 1600AD.
It was in large part watching your videos to better understand the game that made that possible. Now that I can win with diplomacy, I can just tweak the strategies to start winning on deity in other ways. Once again, thank you!
Also, Bà Triệu only being able to build districts on forest tiles, and most of north america on that map not being wooded, it was interesting being so limited on districts until I could plant trees.
The only thing I would have done to improve the early game on this would be to buy that other marsh tile in your capital before your borders spread to it naturally. The annnoying thing about "X tile gives better yields" improvements like wonders and pantheons is that they don't register for neutral tiles with the border expansion system, and also not to your own brain when seeing the tiles. Crouching yields, hidden 3 production, 2 science.
I've been loving the Got Lakes? mod. I've experimented a bunch with it recently. I love the type of wacky maps you can get it to spawn.
Rlly early for once, china is so fun. Gonna have fun seeing you play them here.
China and France wonder builds are my favourite way to play, but you're right, on deity it's not enough by itself to win the game. Looking forward to the rest of the series.
The Exodus of Monumentality!
"Certain strategies on diety aren't viable."
You're telling me! I had to drop all the way down to PRINCE to get a Domination victory for the achievement. On anything higher I kept accidentally getting other victories along the way!
@M C Don't worry, I'm just bad at the game. I have bad habits of settling all my cities on the coast and spamming harbors for the money. It usually ends with either me getting attacked early and losing, or me amassing so much money that I can just buy my way into winning a war. The problem then being that by that point I have enough science to win because I start buying all the buildings...
0:52
I can’t imagine somebody complaining about this. It’s not like you haven’t proven you can’t win on a higher difficulty or that it’s not just saving time on rerolling until you get stone.
If you’re having fun the vids are fun
the first videos i watched of yours i watched was your deity china playthrough. love this stuff.
Venetian arsenal speedrun 👀
17:55 yay he's finally gonna buy the rice marsh tile since it will immediately become a 4 3 2
potato: *buys* *geothermal* *tile*
-_-
No! the pain of only a 20 minute episode :(((((
The good thing about these is that there will be more.
I was going to go out on a limb and say that you want Stonehenge for a religion.
Best game you’ve done in ages Potato, love these fun builds.
Potato: "Low-difficulty game"
Literally two levels below Max difficulty...Is this what being a Pro is about?
It's 2 levels below max :)
@@theplasmawolf Fixed, Thanks.
There is a HUUUUUGE difference between Emperor and Deity - much much larger than the difference between Emperor and Prince, for instance.
So I personally don't think Civ content creators should be worried about editing maps for specific builds. Otherwise you're just going to reroll a hundred times anyway until you get what you need. Might as well save yourself that effort and use the time to record.
Same outcome, less time wasted.
The fact that potato looking for production in his second city just completely overlooked the marsh rice tile is driving me crazy. Also save your disaster file on your cursed Hungary game when?
I have been searching everywhere but can not find keybinding for the 2:16 moment when you set a pathway for the technology tree?
Thank you
Hold shift and click
Hold shift and click
Smart move, going for Lady of the Reeds pantheon. You'll probably get much more mileage out of that, than Monument of the Gods.
Emperor difficulty, yes very easy hmmm, definitely play that all the time.
Yeah dont we all just breathe deity difficulty? I cant imagine playing for fun and relaxation on lower difficulties.
Sarcasm btw.
I’ve been watching your older videos as I’ve just started playing civ with some friends and yesterday we were playing on prince and I was China, and I was getting wonders just because I could, I had 3 cities by turn 100 on online speed but I had like 8 wonders, it’s just too tempting. I would say tho China get an advantage on slower speeds as there wonder charge thing on the builder is percentile based. So if you play on say marathon as China it may be possible to get the wonders on deity due to essentially making the build time so much longer for everyone else but you.
i'm new in Civ 6 how to get production when i start with in a greenland location like this one? should i build encampments even if i just don't want to go to war or win by domination?
This strat is actually viable on deity, you just have to play it a bit differently and give up on the other ancient era wonders, rush the Stonehenge + wonder religion to build all the classical era wonders instead. Slightly less overpowered but still very fun.
It only kinda works
I agree - plenty viable, although not necessarily optimal. Recently got a turn 240 culture deity victory with this religious opener into classical golden using china wonder chop.
So many rivers. Paging Babylon!
“No! I will not forgive this map hackery! You will keep rerolling starts until you get that stone legitimately or I unsub!” -unfun elitist snobs
I love the 20 minutes format !
Im super big a fan of playing on emperor difficulty if it means you get to show off more fun and weird builds. Its always nice to see you scrape out a deity win, but the cost is always that you can rarely go for super out of the way strategies or ones that only work because of late game snowball. Definitely would want to see more niche builds that are usually restricted on deity.
Quick Maths regardin' the garden:
Hanging Garden Cost: 180 production Total
Xi'an Prod/turn: ~18 (the base 17 plus the bonus 15% from pantheon)
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Universe 1: Potato starts building the wonder at turn 45
As seen at 15:55, Hanging Garden takes 10 turns to make -- Building ends at Turn 55.
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Universe 2: Potato builds the worker first, then starts building the wonder at turn 49.
Hanging Garden started at turn 49 with ~18 Production/turn for 180 production total PLUS 27 production per builder charge = 45 total Production per turn. 180/45 = 4; Hanging Garden done in four turns -- Building ends at Turn 53 with a builder charge to spare.
Conclusion: Potato was 2 turns more efficient and got an extra builder charge out of it. Math checks out.
I'm all about having fun playing games - sometimes it's just fun to chease it with a little bit of stone, a little bit of ease, and a little bit of wonders 😁 makes it so much more fun to play it the hard way, to just play now and then.
You cheated! You ain't no potato! You're a YAM!!!!! lol have a fun game.
cool video but never forget that kurenai tried to cast a genjutsu on itachi
Wat
Needs Production in Bejing and not buying the Rice Swamp boost with Etemenanki killed me 🥲
Uff I just saw that you bought EVERYTHING except that Swamp🥹 dude I am feeling you gettin sloppy
Sometimes you just brain fart
@@PotatoMcWhiskey yeah you’re right 😁 but I know you will krank out 600science and culture in Round 90 so…😅💪🏼 love your videos
I never knew that you can feed builder charges into wonders even if you don't build them in your city and just placed them. First video of the series and I already learned something new. It has been ages since I played China, maybe I'll give it another shot.
I just got my first Diplo victory! Thanks potato for your guidance from all these games!
Its good that you mention fun. Ive crawled up to king from settler. I just bought the dlc so im dealing with - loyalty, grievances, reaource management and so on. Readjusting strategies and game modes. Im not aversed to reloading now and again and perhaps rerolling a game if im boxed in. I alwys feel guilty then im like 'why feel guilty?' lol..... sometimes its about having fun. All of that said potatoes 'easy' is my next step.....i need to learn outside of just dom first....so much fun to see and have.
Emperor: the gentleman's way to play civ. And what's more, it's how I know for sure that the streamer just wants to have a little fun today rather than demonstrate once again that they're Good at Video Game. Do speedrunners stream nothing but wr attempts all day? No, sometimes they do a challenge run or try a dumb mod or get high and play on (heart be still) very hard rather than nightmare mode.
I think fun builds like this are more fun to watch. Deity is cool but some times it can get prety boring because of the early war declerations, not getting any wonders or losing religion etc.
Just something stupid I thought was funning was saying that now the monument won't take decades when in game it actually still took about a century or two after saying that. Early turn/year count is pretty crazy.
X is wonder cost /// B is builder cost /// P is city production
Assume 5 charge builders (Laing + Xi China)
Turns for wonder then builder = X/P
Turns for builder than wonder (5 charges) = B/P + 5(X/P - 0.15X) = B/P + X/P(1 - 0.75P)
X/P > B/P + X/P(1 + 0.75P)--> 1 > B/X + (1 - 0.75P)
If 0.75P > B/X, then build a builder first
If 0.75P < B/X, then build the wonder straight away
Production is changing, so P in a real game isn’t going to be constant (P)
The builder may take a turn or two to get to the wonder tile
Amenities, Occupation, and War can change these equations by multipliers, so it should be similar in different scenarios
I have just heard words that have never been uttered in the history of Civilization 6.
"We basically have to get Stonehenge"
the power theater super hex! Adjacency for TS isn't important the way it is for other districts but damn thats a lot of culture
Wait, is the ability to spend builder charges as china in the base game without mods?
Also feudalism (2) + that governor (1) + china (+1) + defaukt charges (3) + pyramids (1) = 8 charges
I love this strategy. Probably my favorite one to do
I personally don’t like non-deity content but I appreciate that it appeals to a lot of people - that being said, this is a really fun strategy!
19:25 "making 14 gold per turn with zero holy site" uh huh maybe you were joking along with the monumentality part but im confused lol xD
Yay Civ videos! When is A-Z challenge going to come back?
One day
Please upload the next episode NOW! I got sick cravings for the continuation!
"I need production in Beijing", has marsh pantheon, doesnt buy marsh tile. I was literally gesturing at the screen! :D
I once did settler China run, where my goal was to build ALL wonders. Super fun, but I had to restart couple times due to specific land requiremnts.
Wait! Wait! If you built monuments and take up the secret society of Void Singers afterwards, they convert to old god obelisks? I always played this wrong waiting to find the secret society before building the monuments? (I noticed you lose all production in a monument if you switch to that secret society while building one, which made me think otherwise)
I wanted to cry when i see those 2 rifts and 2 geothermals spawn north of Potato.
Is it a mod that shows you on the map what bonus you'll get for district pins?
as a Prince of Savescumming, Emperor is already such a distant dream....
I always wanted to see a china start
Yessss! I’ve been waiting for this pun for so long!
OMG! A religious start!
I had a china start where I spawned near mount Kilimanjaro and Brussels was to the north in the tundra alone. It was great.
I always wanted to do an all wonder run with China on settler difficulty, but by building everything, not conquering.
I haven't tried that many times, but sadly it never happened yet.
I just won a culture victory as China on deity today!!! I didn’t get to build all of the ancient and classical wonders but I got a lot of the important ones like temple of Artemis , oracle, pyramids!
Is there some wrinkle limiting where one can build Stonehenge that isn't described in the Civilopedia? I played a game and built Stonehenge on a flat grasslands next to stone, but took too long and the AI beat me. I reloaded the starting seed. This time, I was told there was no place to build it. I bought the tile where I'd built it last time, and it wouldn't let me. I couldn't figure out why. There isn't a city population requirement or anything, is there? I tried moving my starting city's location and building on the same tile. Still no go. It's not the first time I've had trouble with Stonehenge. There have been other times where I've had a tile that's flat and next to stone and been denied permission to build, saying there's no suitable location. Please help me understand this.
EDIT: Wait, there were woods on the tile I'd cleared before. Could it be that I don't have the ability to clear woods, yet? That wouldn't come with Animal Husbandry by any chance, would it?
I actually just did a Mansa Musa Deity game focused on wonders with the faith for wonder as my first belief and the culture\science\gold for every city with a wonder and it worked really fine. had to grab other tourism sources end game obviously but it made for a very fun game.
EDIT: just saw you picked those exact 2 beliefs lmao ^^ And cherry on top, i also picked lady of the marshe and reeds ! Such a massive early production and science combo
From memory i got : great bath, etemenanki, forbidden city, saint basil, petra, bolchoi, broadway, angkor vat, mausoleum, and a couple more i cant quite remember. was also about to finish maracan and sidney opera but won the game before that around T230.
Imo, wonder focused build on deity are perfectly viable BUT they'll involve more RNG that more reliable builds.
Nice video! You should revisit China wonder on diety! Recently won sub200 culture by spamming wonders - did use heroes and secret societies FTW.
I have been playing for years and years but still don't have the mastery of the statistics. I wonder why and what's holding me back.
Is this the same game that ran in the background of the talk with the Congressman?
Nah, different game. Spawn is different and that game was on 250 turns, this is 500.
Oh hey Emperor difficulty! It's been my favored difficulty since Civ 5. Tough enough that you still have to pay attention, but easy enough to be able to do random BS and get away with it?!
Don't forget, the wonder policy cards stack with the builder charges
Yes but I don't think its necessary
That feel when every single tile on generation has fresh water
I really really hope one day potato will found a religion called "points for griffindor" so that I can chuckle at my own bad joke every time the religion spreads
Emperor is my favorite difficulty because the early game is reasonable but the game is still challenging for the first 100 ish turns. Sure, the AI is completely failing to keep up by turn 200 but let's be real, provided you can survive that long in the first place the same is true on Deity. The game just really needs a scaling difficulty, but if I'm playing without mods Emperor is the closest compromise for me. So even though I'm perfectly capable of winning on Deity (I've done it several times, though I still lose more than I win on Deity) I prefer to play on Emperor.
Cool video Diety difficulty is dumb anyways AI is still dumb but just given such a large bonus that either crushes you early
Love the more fun focus for a series
Wasn't there a previous China game where he just built a load of wonders and went for a culture win?
Yeah and it was on diety
That was with an S Tier wonder natural wonder start and isolation, also I'm pretty sure I won with normal culture
@@PotatoMcWhiskey oh right I forgot that it had a godlike start.
Hey Potato, I was wondering if you could explain which adjustments you made in the advanced set up on got lakes. Been trying to tinker with the set up and just had the most unplayable maps.