GRWM: Renaissance Snow Day! - 16th century Italian Clothing
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- We had a rare (for my city) snow day and I happily used the opportunity to dress up and get some snowy pictures! Watch me get ready and chat about my various garments :D
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I love that you put images when you quote something. I always love seeing old paintings and it really helps your look to be even more accurate! Lovely dress by the way, super inspiring! :)
I am glad you like the added pictures! It takes a bit of time to add, so it's nice to hear that folks appreciate them :D
i guess im asking the wrong place but does any of you know of a trick to log back into an instagram account..?
I stupidly lost my account password. I would love any help you can offer me.
@Finnegan Cassius instablaster ;)
In my 12th Century re-enactment group here in merry England, we women wear ‘wimples’ to cover not the hair, but our ears. This was to avoid the Holy Spirit from coming into your ear and impregnating you with the 2nd Christ, so this migration of veils may be down to a change in/loss of this belief? Though I’m very much an amateur, so this just wild conjecture 😆 Wonderful video as always
How interesting! I have never heard of that before, I've always heard the covering had to do with either the head, or the hair, depending on what time/place/culture we talk about. Thank you for sharing, I love learning new things!
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But wouldn’t it be like the ultimate honor, to be chosen as the mother of the second coming of Christ?
I mean, it’s bordering on using birth control, if you think about it!
Rara Avis I asked the same thing when I was told this fact, but as the second coming of Christ heralds the events of Revelations, aka the apocalypse, I can see why they did it. Nobody wants to be responsible for opening the seven seals!
Morgan Donner Glad you found it interesting! And thank you for sharing these wonderful videos - currently wishing my hair was long enough to wear this style around in daily life
Morgan Donner Also I haven’t done any research on the subject myself, so unfortunately can’t provide any sources for those curious. I was told this by the group’s leaders who have done extensive reading & research on the 12th Century, so I’m inclined to trust them.
Those detachable sleeves needs to come back in fashion. That is a wonderful idea.
It's called a french rope braid! :)
Ahh, perfect! Thank you!
It is also known (I’ve always called it) a flat twist.
It can also be called a lace rope braid!
Braiding is such a universally human thing - I can't imagine how many names that type of braid has had over the millennia
It seems like women of wealth have often throughout history been less concerned with religious modesty than the lower classes. Vanity was also a privilege of the rich.
The covering of one's hair is just one aspect of modesty. I think most women of a lower standing would cover their hair more carefully unless they were of "ill repute". It's important to remember that not everyone dressed the same in any given time period. And clothing said a lot about one's social standing and community.
Sarah Algelius, great points. I will tell you that my dad, who was born in 1906 in Nebraska wouldn’t let us come to the breakfast until our hair was up. I had waist length hair until I was 30 and always wore it up.
Well, lower class women did physical labour so it was practical for them to cover their hair. I mean during work hair could got really dirty and i guess they did not wanted to wash 'em every day.
@@schwester6523 Yes! Thank you! It may have had something to do with modesty, but I think itbecame a style to wear your hair up simply because it was a pretty, practical way to keep your hair clean.
She said in the video that she was dressed like a peasant. (She mentioned that her pearl earrings weren’t really historically accurate, but everything else was.) Since this youtuber is always historically accurate, I assume, Italian peasants, that lived in that specific decade of the 16th century, had enough fabric to cover their hair.
I completely agree that the upper classes, in every era, have been more concerned with following rules of society than their own personal moral standards. That being said, I do understand that going against the societal norms was a VERY big deal and usually always came with repercussions.
watching you braid your hair up into that beautiful style makes me wish i could grow my hair back overnight haha why did i cut it so short?! no ragrets right? hahaha
There's always wigs... lol, but also your hair will be back before you know it!
I was thinking the same! Pixie cut and patience.....
I'm growing my hair from a pixie cut ahhh
I don't know if you would want to tackle this topic, but it would be interesting to know how medieval women dealt with menstruation. How did they keep their garments clean and free from stains or did they? I've read some about it and think it's an interesting topic.
That would be interesting! I wish I knew more about it, I just have a vague recollection about the origin of 'being on the rags' term.
@@MorganDonner there isn't much explicit mention of menstruation in written texts, but i think it is probable that women would wear a kind of panty (a pair with tied sides were found at lenberg castle www.thevintagenews.com/2018/12/28/medieval-bras/) to hold a 'pad' or folded cloth in place.
@@alexismontez4230 Thanks for the link! That was interesting!
I'm currently reading a book called "unmentionable: the Victorian ladies guide to sex marriage and manners" by Therese O'neill and the first chapter is all about menstruation!
I know that some cultures the woman didn't go out of the house while menstruating. So more"free bleeding" happened.
I love your dresses. Italy took so many styles from all over because they were a very large trade route so it made for very stunning clothing.
Historical Italian clothing is some of my absolute favorites, so darn pretty!
Morgan Donner this is just stunning!! I like this century clothing look . I can hand sew as I can hand quilt but the hours wow! Very well done
THE LIL DINGS ON SCREEN I LOVE IT. Your editing on this was top notch. (also thank you so much for showing how you do your slip knots, those have been tormenting me for ages)
Lol, I am glad someone out there enjoyed that! I might have been giggling to myself while editing :D
I loved the little dings too so glad im not the only one who found them amusing.
Ditto!
@@MorganDonner It's honestly so great, I made an excited noise every time one happened!! My husband had to come watch it with me I was so enthused
That was lovely! I don't know much about 16th century dress, and it was very enjoyable to watch your GRWM!
Aww, thank you!
I really appreciate how self-sufficient you are with this stuff, if that makes sense. You seem to know how to do every step of the process (making clothes, doing hair, etc.) and it's really cool.
I am glad you enjoyed the video! 😄
Absolutely beautiful! If you don't use the veil, a bit of powder over the fake braid could make it look more natural. Babypowder will do for that.
Ooo, good tip! I need to remember that!
Thanks for these videos. I just got sent here by Karolina Zebrowska, completely a random thing. Glad to know you’re making this stuff easy. Keep it up.
I love your red coral necklace which looks great on you, adds a nice pop of color, and is period appropriate-win-win-win! You can gather some of the the hem on either side of the center of the veil, tie it off with twine, and put the hair pins through the knots of the twine if you want to avoid making holes in a really fancy or delicate veil. You can hide the excess gather and twine by turning it under or working it into the braid.
Oh, come sei bella! I was in the SCA over 20 years ago, the internet was young and it was tough to find the knowledge you share here. 💜 today’s SCAdians are fortunate to have people like you sharing.
Even with you talking it didn't really take that lingerie to get ready you cut what 10 - 15 min from the dressing and hair part combined?
With no makeup it takes me 15 mins to get out the door and about 30 with light makeup and a pony tail or my hair just straight out (no straightening)
See where I'm going with this ☺
Thanks for a great video!
Dearest Lady Donner, Do you have any guides to making partlets on your channel? To you know where one might find such? I'm slowly, slowly working on a Cranach-style dress that features a gathered partlet beneath the gown. Its a stunning look, but I've been flummoxed as to it's practical construction. Thank you for any and all of your help, and thank you SO MUCH for all your amazing content and stunning research. Best wishes from the Midwest! :)
Nothing on partlets yet, although I totally should! They are a great piece to have in your wardrobe. Thank you for all your kind words!
There's a free pattern to a really similar partlet on Truly Hats website. Just google "truly hats partlet" and you should get close. Hope this is helpful. Cheers also from the Midwest!
Thank you to both of you (Hi fellow Midwestern IceandFire44 - always nice to meet a neighbor in the great vastness of the interwebs!!!) for your kind suggestions - the Truly Hats website is quite the treasure trove. :)
Came for the butchered Italian words, stayed for the elaborate costume! Great video
I really appreciate all of the information you made available. I'm really impressed and will make that 16th c dress. It suits me very well in color and comfort/ wearable.
I'd like to share with you my personal experience regarding hair. I'm an American woman in my sixties now. Thirty years ago I complained to my Kung Fu teacher that I'm getting a lot of unwanted attention from men. He thought for a moment and said "it's your hair, it drives men crazy". My hair was short and naturally curly. So I straightened my hair, and my life was less tense. I find this is still true in spite of my age ( although I look 40ish). So my conclusion is that covering hair is not necessarily to restrict or control a woman but to protect from the crazies out there. However we would all agree that if males in society didn't hog power in the first place we wouldn't have this issue. But I know, some men, by nature, are really focused on hair. Today my hair is long, and if I don't want to flirt that day, I'll put it up in a plain bun.
also *DING*
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Oh wow that shift is stunning!!! Do you have a tutorial for that? I love the gathered neck line😍
And that beautiful cape 😱😍😍
Very cool. I can trace my family back that far in Italy. Wonder if they looked like this.
Depends on where in Italy! This look is based on the lower/working class fashions near Venice, around 1580-90.
That twist you are doing (at least in the african american hair community) is called a flat twist
Your whole aura just screams medieval times. I always love watching your GRWM videos.
Your hair is beautiful! Thank you for showing your whole process! I think I'm gonna use that twist-into-braid hack in my modern day hair styles too.
Yeah, go for it! I twist back the front part of my hair almost every day, which works great for half-ups, buns, braids, whatever. Keeps the whispy short hairs from going too wild ;p
I love your short cloak! Would you mind sharing information about it? I've seen men's cape that length, but not many for women. I'm always looking for new accessories to keep warm. Thank you!
Sure! Mine is a direct copy from a hooded cloak in Patterns of Fashion 3 (in size/pattern, not in decoration however). We have a good number of extant cloaks/capes, but the current thinking is that they are mens garments, just as you say! There are several 16th century images that show women in similar looking outerwear, but they almost always have sleeves: short, long, vestigial, or wearable. www.pinterest.com/pin/5629568265250863/
I hope that helps a bit!
The way you braided your hair is literally like an everyday look for me, I love the way it looks compared to regular french braids
Found you via BB during cv lockdown. Glad I am, and now subscribed. I love love love your vids :)
The hair do that you are doing is called a rope braid, one of my favorite hair do’s, simple and easy!
Awesome, thank you for the info! I use this style of braiding all the time, I find it much quicker than regular french braiding, and it keeps all the wispy hairs under control.
I love all the little "ding!" notes, they make me giggle every time!
I really appreciate how self-sufficient you are with this stuff, if that makes sense. You seem to know how to do every step of the process (making clothes, doing hair, etc.) and it's really cool.
I discovered your videos after a suggestion from a historical sewing group. Really wishing I had found you and others sooner.
Seeing the noted ‘dings’ from Editing Morgan one had been distracting me from my own sewing and keeps bringing a smile to my face. 😂
And again, absolutely gorgeous! I always love GRWM videos. Especially if it's vintage or medieval. You are probably one of my favorite UA-camrs when it comes to fashion and sewing.
Also happy Valentine's day! :D
Thank you Aurora! You are so sweet! ❤
I would live in an Italian underdress for the rest of my life they look so pretty and comfy
So awesome. I just found your channel. I’m totally subscribed now. Thanks for being real. You explain why things are there and make it entertaining. Now I’m going to go binge watch some of your ur older stuff.
I am glad to hear that! ❤
I highly recommend binge watching morgans videos as they are all excellent to watch.
LOVE! I really want to go back to a time fashion-wise where sleeves are an accessory. There is all kinds of inspiration there. I kind of doubt a peasant woman would have LARGE silver bobbles hanging from her sleeves though. That seems like a detail for someone much wealthier, unless somehow silver just happened to be extra cheap at the time. I kind of wonder if the sketch was true to scale or if the buttons were exaggerated in order to be seen.
I do have a question about the hair ribbon. I've been researching various forms of band weaving lately and I haven't seen any information about how ribbons were manufactured in the medieval/renaissance periods. I don't have access to a lot of books about fashion history though and I've just been looking online. Have you come across any mentions of how they were made or do you have any suggestions about where I should look for such information? I have so many questions about what kind of weave was used, common materials, if they patterned or plain, hemmed cloth strips or dedicated bands with woven salvages, if they used special looms or finger loop woven, how fine was the weave, just basically everything. If it's possible I'd really like to weave some authentic reproductions. I have no idea how close modern productions are to what would be familiar to the time period. Any information you have would be great. Thank you!
I do think that the baubles I got were too large, I should replace them with some about half the size. I suspect that you are right, I am referencing small drawings, so the beads are probably drawn a little extra big to make them visible. I have seen a few more images of them where they seem a little smaller: www.pinterest.com/pin/74239093837984699/
www.pinterest.com/pin/74239093844324075/
Unfortunately, weaving isn't my specialty: I wish I had a book to recommend to you! Some of the extant garments like doublets or bodices have ribbon/trim sewn on top as decoration, which at least helps show what their ribbons looked like.
@@MorganDonner Well the wealthy were certainly very ostentatious to an absurd degree, so maybe the baubles are that large. I'm just wondering how accurate it is to say it's a peasant look. Besides silver being a pricey luxury, I know in England in the Tudor era there were strict sumptuary laws that prohibited lower class people from basically wearing anything that was nice. I wonder if Italy had similar laws. I'm guessing the dress was at the very least a wealthy merchant class or minor noble. But I'm probably in the weeds and doubtlessly I'm getting my timelines mixed up. It was a gorgeous dress and you looked fabulous. Thanks for your reply!
Fern Moore I don’t claim to know, but possibilities may include tablet-weaving, inkle weaving, or even lucet braiding
'I like to end all of my knots with a slipknot.'
YEAAAAH!!! 🤘🏻
All the little extra pieces of your foundations and your beads, pocket and apron are all so beautiful and so very interesting!
I loved that you used the example of one of Sofonisba Anguissola's sisters from her portrait of the chess game with her sisters. I'm taking women's art history and I recognized the sister with the governess in the back
Ye Olde Underpants! You should have had a Ding Counter. Great video, love how the outfit looks outside in the snow.
Thanks Ruby! This was a fun video :D 🔔
We (natural hair community) call that a flat twist ☺️
Your hair reminds me of the Princess Leia when she was older look.
You and all the other wonderful historical dress ladies are absolutely adorable! Such wonderful personalities. You, cathy Hay, Bernadette (sp?) Karolina and Rachel Maksy. You're fun to watch! Your hair is adorable and the outfit is amazing... I can see the quality of fabrics. I bet it feels nice compared to the thin easily rip-able clothes of today. *is jealous*
I love that hairstyle and just want to wear my hair like that every day
Been doing my hair inspired by this hairstyle (my hair is way too short) but let me tell you, it gives the best curls I have ever had
I only got into historical dressing youtube a few months ago... but now I'm at the point where I think.. how many of those cute details, like sleeve shapes and necklines, dresses with the shift peaking out from underneeth.... can I immitate in knitting. I shall experiment!
This dress is VERY lovely. Altogether a masterpiece.
The "walk in the snow" ending reminds me of the "Something There" snowball fight scene in "Beauty and the Beast"(the animated one.)
I think the "peasants " dresses in italy (especially in the very rural areas) didn't change much until the 19th century..also, interesting fact, my grandmother's best friend used to wear her hair like that until the day she died. She had her hair long almost until her knees. My grandmother wore hers short and curly. When I asked her about the differences in style, she said that she was always too busy to bother with long hair. 😉
I find it fascinating how similar styles are from different countries around the same time. The main dress is so similar to the German kampfrau!
Ngl when she held up the fake braid I got jump scared. I love this video so much- historical fashion is super coollllllll
I have some red wool which has been waiting for inspiration to transform in to a winter garment. I think I just found it. I love the dress and you look gorgeous in it. Your videos are part of my pre-bed routine now! Watching one always sends me off to bed giggling and dreaming of historical sewing.
Thank You for sharing! Superb visual and inspirational how-to source :)
btw, was this dress first made without the side lacing? *squints at video and dress blog post*
I was under the impression it was either front lacing or side lacing, or how common is it with both?
Good catch! It did used to be just front lacing, but it was a little tight to begin with and I got bigger too, so I opened up the side-back seams and added lacing. :)
The only evidence I can think of that it might possibly have been done in the 16th century is Vincenzo Campi's Kitchen scene: the woman in the lower right is bending over toward to the viewer and sort of looks like she's has lacing on both front and back. Hope that helps!
could u make a video on the "rules" and things used to cover the hair throughout history? im specifically interested in swedish medieval times as we have a medieval week as a big event where i live. ive always heard "cover once married" or something like that
I came here for costume history. Instead I learnt that Italian Renaissance ladies had lingerie oil paintings.
Love this! Getting ready videos are my all time fave, especially if i can also learn something new ❤
I’d love some tips for upcycling old clothes into historical fashion
how do I find those books, I have tried every spelling of Chezaray Vitelio
Woops sorry for not adding a link! It's Cesare Vecellio, here's the 16th century version with english translations on amazon: www.amazon.com/Clothing-Renaissance-World-Europe-Americas/dp/0500514267 or a free version of the 1664 edition: archive.org/details/habitiantichi00vece/mode/2up
@@MorganDonner Thank you, much appreciated!
I low key want to wear this in every day life
For me, is a « chemise ». I’m french canadian!
I have just recently discovered your channel and I don't even know what to say... You are sooo talented!! I would love to hear about where your love for sewing/historical fashion began. THE DETAILS! OMG
Great suggestion! I'll add it to my list! 💖
You always look so stunning :3 Btw this is acctually my favorite hairstyle xD I acctually wear my hair in a similar style of fashion for everyday
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I used to as well when my hair was hip length! Usually without the ribbon though ;p I think my hair will be long enough again soon to go back to wearing this style for modern occasions!
@@MorganDonner I also wear it without the ribbon xD I think this is acctually a very practical hairstyle for work and sewing, because your long hair is completely, neatly tucked away
I would love to see a modern hair care routine for you. Your hair is so healthy and pretty!
I think that style of braiding is called a rope braid, at least that’s what I’ve heard it called
One thing I really enjoyed about this video was seeing you choose accessories for the outfit since I don't find many videos such as these focus on that. It's a great look!
Your garb is lovely. I am slightly confused about the red pocket though. I thought they were worn under the dress or skirt and accessed through slits in the skirts. That's how I usually wore mine when I could fit into my Italian dresses.
There are a few 16th century paintings showing the pocket on top (thank goodness, or we wouldn't know they exist!). I sometimes wear mine under the skirts and sometimes over. A very flexible accessory! :D
I wanted to point out that, even when women were poor and couldn´t afford a maid, surely they had more women at home to help them, like mother, sister or in laws. Most of the house chores had to be done by at least two people, and dressing was one of them :)
Also, a history fashion book I read pointed out that although in all Europe was encouraged to cover the hair, Italian women were more riskee and ignored that. Specially in Medieval Ages and Renaissance, Italy was a fashion forward country.
No kirtle? I’m making a 16th century outfit for Renaissance fairs and trying to make it as historically accurate as my budget allows haha - if I didn’t have to do a whole other layer, I’d be very happy.
I'd love to see a show and tell of all your garb! You have so many pretty pieces
I never noticed how perfect her nose is until now! Oml stunning
But how you stay outside only with the dress? 😱😱😱😱
I think that couldn't open a window with that dress. It's so... Light! It's for summer. 😱😱😱😱
I LOVE your cape!! Would love to know how you made it or where you got it! I've been keeping my eye out for one to wear to Ren Faires.
The cloak is from Patterns of Fashion 3!
@@MorganDonner Thanks! I'll have to try & track it down.
I definitely need fake hair! Mine never grows beyond mid-back. Unfortunately, arthritis has set into my shoulders (not to mention other bits), so I'll get 3 or 4 braids & tuck my own hair into the back.
Oh, dear! You may draw me out of the early/mid 14th C. Unfortunately, I have until September to find asst. fabrics!
Edited to add.... I adore the cape!
🌸 I love this video! 🌸Also, excellent background music choice - it was perfect. Keep up the great videos, girl!! 💗
The GIANT pins and GIANT needle make me worry deeply about scalp punctures, lol.
Does anyone else think that watching bodices/corset being laced up is super satisfying?? Just me?...ok
I noticed that one of the pictures you showed when talking about women wearing a veil had the word "spose" written above. This word means "brides", I'm not sure if that makes any difference seeing as you were talking about veils, but I guess it can't hurt!
Just curious - does the Placement of the bow on the apron mean something during that Time period? As i am from Bavaria, where dirndl dresses are still around today and they are dresses with aprons and the Position of the bow on the apron actually tells something about the Woman wearing it (left/Right means taken/Not taken, Center Front means virgin, Center back is widowed)
As an italian reenactor i have to say you Made a huge work, and very well done.
Did you know thath this dress you made is still in use in some parts of Abruzzo (a southern italian region) ad a traditional ceremony dress.
My grandma used to dress like this (not the same but very similar) during Easter holidays in her village
Very well done✌️👍
Beautiful.
I really like the side pouch
Did you make it? Is there a pattern
Thank you, I did make it! I made up the pattern for mine, but do a search for "renaissance Saccoccia" and you'll see a bunch of them, hopefully that will help!
I don't know if anyone else hears it, but to me you vaguely sound like Ellen Degeneres? Like I can't unhear it but it's not a bad thing!
I am commenting on this a year later but I just found your channel a month ago. I have binged watched many of your videos. My question is how did women avoid getting poked by straight pins when using them to hold on their aprons in the 17th or 18th centuries. I cant remember which used them. I am the queen of stabbing myself with pins and I have always wondered.
You look like what I imagine Barbara Palmer (Lady Castlemaine) looked like
just a beautiful rendition of the time period.. just beautiful!
Woohoo AnTir snow challenge!!
I love the little neck thing you attached to the chemise. I have struggled so much with making shirts, including basic ones, so that seems like a good little cheat to get the collared look. Also, this dress is gorgeous and I have now added making a similar one to my crafting list. You rock! Thank you for sharing the process and everything for how to dress like that!
This is really cute but it does not look warm. Like, I know you said the fabric is hefty, but all the gaps in the dress and the mostly bare neck and chest look counterproductive. Also, were there boots to go along with the winter wardrobe?
as an italian myself I'm so happy to see some of my history T^T
the head covering has always been a part of italian colture... they covered they head in church. In southern italy u can still find old women doing that. but with a balck veil or scarf
This was so fascinating to watch! Please do more in the future! Does the dress keep you warm enough though? It looks very cold in the snow 😬
My body/legs were fine, but with no gloves, my fingers were getting clumsy in the cold very quickly! 16th century gloves totally existed, I need to make some!
If I truly wanted to stay out in the cold all day though, I think that a petticoat or additional skirt wouldn't have been a bad idea.
This is the same time period from which our embroidery shirt (popular now) comes from. But I don`t know what was winter closing, and ukrainian winters are colder than italian
I’m a bit late and I don’t know if it’s historically accurate, but another way of doing braids like that is by starting a Dutch braid behind one ear and continuing all the way around your head. Once you get to the start of the braid and have run out of loose hair to add in, instead thread one of the three strands through the existing plait to connect them together and continue like that until you reach near the end of your hair. For the last 10cm (ish) I just plait normally then thread it through the braid and tuck it in (you can also secure it with a bobby pin). This way you don’t need to tape around it to hold it all together because it’s all connected to you head. Don’t know if that makes sense or not but just thought I’d share it anyway :)
Your partlets are so pretty! If you ever make a new one, I’d love to see your process. :)
I know it's already been a year since you did this video, but it just started snowing again and I wondered if some of those items like the stockings and the partlett could also be replaced by knitted pieces instead of sewn...
I always wonder how people in dramas look pretty getting dressed, too! Even getting dressed in basic ren faire wench garb turns me into a sweat demon.
When your hair gets long again, you should try this style again with the hair you saved from your big chop!
#pearlypeasants
What type of fabric is the veil made out of?
Silk, slightly tighter weave than what I usually would call a gauze, but similar drape. Looks much like chiffon, but less body. Sort of in the middle of those two :D I purchased it at a medieval merchant event, otherwise, I would give you a link!
I never knew that the little poofs at the top of sleeves from this time in Italy were because of a detachable sleeve. That is so cool! Beautiful outfit, you look like you've stepped out of time.
So....a partlett is what would now be called a dickey. Awesome.
Your "french twist" is called a lace rope braid! It looks very cool!
This sort of fashion has a soft sensuality that is really lacking in today's mainstream fashion. There is such a push to express sex appeal by showing as little as possible. Its hard to find women's fashion that is more sensual than sexual.