The Pro Gamer Who Became a Murderer... | The Case of David Katz
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- Despite his rising fame as a professional gamer, David Katz had a very problematic childhood - which contributed to his terrible mental health... But no one expected the consequences after he would snap in a fit of rage, all while being live-streamed...
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00:00 Intro
01:06 Baltimore
02:32 David Katz' history
04:47 Entering the spotlight
06:36 A complex history with mental health...
10:54 Left unchecked.
12:14 August 26th, 2018
16:35 Taylor Robertson & Elijah Clayton
17:27 Modern Technology
18:00 Mental health and development
21:20 Legal proceedings and aftermath
22:53 Outro
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What we learn from this:
- If you're a parent, act like one.
- Pills don't fix everything.
- Don't pick on people for awkward social behavior.
Pills should allways be the last resort. In many countrys (e.g. USA) the use of drugs is too normalized. I have pain? Let´s take Pills for that! I don´t feel happy and depressed? Let´s take Pills for that. It´s an attitude that have to change. After surgery for example, in germany you get Ibuprofen not opioids. Because feeling pain helps you know your limits to spare your body from other injurys. And you don´t get fucking addicted as easily. Have a normal headache? Ever tried just to sleep, or drink mor water and wait for the pain to fade away in an hour or two? It´s an attitude! Parents stop druging your kids!
Facts!! Nothing but facts.
@@michaelmeier270 And the amount of commercials we have for medicine and or lawsuits for medicine. Its a shame
@@shaylanacub2978 I have dual citizenship so it is always a shock to see one of the medication adverts come on the telly in America. We don’t have them. I listen to the side effects and think ‘who in bloody Hades would chance that?’ I’ve refused to pick medication up from the druggist in the States. I don’t need 4 medications for a sinus infection! Thankfully my husband understands when I explained why taking this with this is not going to help. One is to take the side effects away from the other. It wasn’t until our kids wanted to attend secondary school in America that they were getting sick all the time. We took them back to Ireland for every break and they were right as rain. Bizarre. AND, if pills fixed everything we’d have far less daft among us! They need to stop everything and work on that! 🤣
It's actually been proven that psychiatric drugs often cause adverse reactions in children and adolescents. Everyone I've ever known that took those things just got worse. I'm convinced that, not only do they not help, they make things worse.
This is why I don't mess with anyone. I don't taunt, or intentionally piss off anyone. You never know what someone's mental state is , or their limit of tolerance of the taunting or whatever you are doing to mess with them. They could snap and it could end very badly. What a tragic ending for David.
Well isn’t it also not a good thing to do to others(?)
My sentiments exactly. Yes what he did is terrible. But people don't really deal with the cause. A lot of these people are bullied and isolated. Be kind to people. It goes a long way. You really have no idea what someone has been through or most importantly how they process their experiences. Take care everyone.
Speaking as someone who snapped one day, yeah, you're right. Just because "well they shouldn't hurt people" is also the right answer doesn't give other people the pass to be needless assholes. I have autism which already puts a damper on my social skills, and in high school in 2016 I was very mentally ill (with no mental help resources, we tried getting help but healthcare is expensive and I live in the USA) and I was already dealing with severe trauma (to where I got a PTSD diagnosis some years later) from having lived in an abusive home where I was sexually violated on the regular and had only recently been removed.
I was bullied relentlessly because I couldn't socialize and because my reactions from getting upset were ""funny"" and the school wouldn't do jack about it. An older girl (a grade or two above me, I don't remember her actual name so we'll call her Chloe) would follow me around and put her hands on me, steal my things, and then Chloe would corner me in the bathroom and molest me. I went to the Vice Principal about it and asked to have my schedule changed and he said "Girls can't do that to other girls." and refused to change my schedule.
It was a week or so after trying to go to him that I snapped. I wanted to die, I had no support, and I had no hope for my future. That Monday I stole an Xacto knife from the art classroom and I fully planned on killing Chloe with it, and then myself after lunch when she would inevitably get me into the bathroom again.
The ONLY reason why we're both still alive today was because I encountered her earlier than normal and I flipped out on her when she started in on her bullshit, calling her a dirty STD-ridden whore and how worthless she was, among other really nasty emotional-fueled insults. Like, REALLY flying off the handle.
APPARENTLY that's when the VP decided that oh, a schedule change was needed, and then I got ISS (in school suspension) because of my inappropriate behavior.
And as for now, I managed to get into therapy, got pulled out of school after another bully threatened to jump me at the bus stop and the school STILL did nothing about it and spent the last year and a half of my high school days with online schooling and gotten a LOT better.
@@x77punk77x It's also not a free pass to be a dick to others for no reason. Both answers are correct: you shouldn't instigate, and you shouldn't kill people in the first place. The difference is with mental illness, people either don't think or just don't care. Not every possible killer is mentally ill, but it's better to be safe than sorry.
Oh if only those assholes I had to deal with in high school understood this. Then again my country didnt take mental health that seriously in my day
MESSAGE TO ALL PARENTS:
Your kids are not here for you, you are here for your kids.
there is that but the bully didn't help any either. doesn't negate that the kid was just mentally a dumpster fire and a good case for why pre-1960s had it right with just institutionalizing people like that from the start as they don't fit into society
One more time, loud as you can, for the people in the back
Or you created a family and you are all there for each other.
That's just a selfish mindset. Good luck with that.
lmao. this is eurocentric culture. you must worship the lords. you and your kids belong to them
“I don’t feel like dealing with my kids mental problems so I’m just going to give him a milkshake of drugs, blame him for all of my shortcomings, and drink till the bottle is empty. I’m such a good mom and way better than my husband. “ Seriously though, it seems like she didn’t really care about David she just cared about being the better parent.
Possibly was even using some of his pills.
Well she does or did work for the Fear And Death Corp the FDA lol thats what I call them.
@@measlesplease1266 I don't think antipsychotics are the type of pills addicts seek out to abuse
After the mom just enrolled him in all these "camps" or whatever it was without permission and denied the dad visitation rights is just weird to me.. Especially after David said he preferred to stay with his dad, which he in my opinion was old enough to decide.. Where is the system in all of this??
I don't know much about how all this works in America, but I have seen a lot of cases like this from America, and the easy access to weapons doesn't help..
@@Tubbyfedcop808 you don't know what id do
His mother failed him miserably. It’s a shame how she got away with everything she did to David, yet he is the only one considered to being a monster
Lets face it society fails guys like david too.people dont care until they hurt someone
Both parents failed, not just his mom
Seems to me that the dad might have been in extreme denial and the mom was the one trying to do something. Not enough info in this video to properly judge them, though, and it would be foolish to take the word of a psychopath as far as his treatment by his mother was concerned.
@@Kittykat81572 how did his father fail him? Did you listen to the part where he was refused visitation by the mother?
He tried to actively be in David’s life, and was refused. He was the one who wanted to take David to therapy, rather than pump him with drugs.
Rewatch the video, and this time make sure you pay attention.
@@derkeheath5172 she aggressively pushed for David to be on drugs that later her own employer said was dangerous for children under 18. She also kept him away from his father.
And David was not a psychopath when he wrote that letter about his mother’s abuse to the court. It’s almost like we watched two completely different videos
The court decided not to listen to this kid's pleads and the consequences where fatal. He felt that living with his father was the best for him as clearly his mom was not looking for his best interest.
What’s interesting is that a lot of states actually allow you to choose which parent you want to live with starting at 16… it’s so interesting to me with the mom and dads history the judge ignored him.
Once again the US courts only think women are the best parents..... saddly on this case she was selfish and toxic
All children deserve a caring adult but not all adults deserve children
Family court does not protect children
It's sad because the system is kinda sexist. Just because she gave birth to the children, the judicial system thinks they automatically deserve the right to keep the child, regardless of the red flags. The child could beg, kicking and screaming how they want the father but they'll believe the mother will take care of them better.
She believed in the SCIENCE, just as millions of people believe in Science over natural remedies. Its not shocking, the Govt has spent a huge amt of our tax money to convince people to believe in Science. This is not the only tragedy purpetrated on the public.
David Katz is a perfect example of why mental health should be taken serious and to not ignore the red flags 🚩.
Ruining his book aspirations to just be a dick has to be one of the worst things you can do. Dave Chappelle even said the biggest lesson he ever learned was "never come between a man and his money". Elijah didn't deserve death, but I can't help but feel like he made the situation infinitely worse
It's not even just the money. Writing a book is something so personal even if it is just for Madden. It'd be like if one of Chappelle's comedic rivals stole his new standup that hadn't been released to the world and leaked it on a streaming site so Dave wouldn't profit as much. I don't want to say Elijah deserved what happened to him, but I feel little sympathy for someone so heartless picking on the weakest link in the room. People like that provoke people into snapping and thinks it's funny until it's not. It's still not right what Katz did, but it does make much more sense than "gamer shoots up tournament over losing" like the media reported. Katz taking aim at people who had nothing to do with this beef is mindblowing though. I'm glad he offed himself.
@@peepopoo4387 exactly what he did was screwed
@@peepopoo4387 Agree. Leaking a book is crossing the line from bullying into targeted harassment. David's life was pretty shitty in general.
Boo hoo, his shitty book aspirations were squashed! Cry me the Severn Estuary, Katz was a degenerate, an emotionless degenerate who valued human life as much as a used glass of milk. He must only be remembered as a loser and a joke, nothing more or less.
Agree, I thought this was particularly cruel.
Dude has just about the SADDEST and most haunted looking eyes ever....
That’s what all those drugs they give u do and being treated like shit ur entire life ur dead inside
Looking straight past you.
@@obama2747 glad to see I'm not alone at least.
@@oh-not-the-bees7872 dont ever become a murderer , be better than what has happened to you
Looks severely depressed.
Even when you put a smile on, sometimes your eyes will give you away.
I love this channel. Adrien isn’t overly dramatic. He’s a sympathetic narrator and covers stories all over the world. I’m so glad his channel keeps growing and he deserves the success. And the care he shows the victims.
And this case? His mother was so wrong just throwing drugs at her child and not getting him outpatient therapy.
The drugs do work
@@EssexAggiegrad2011 yes, they do. But in a younger child they can have serious side effects. His mother would have known that being a toxicologist working for the FDA.
Yeah I agree he has a good balance of storytelling ✌🏼🇬🇧 asyouwere
@@alloralou4722 Dad: Lets fix this ourselves. Mom: Lets try medicine AND therapy.
The shes a toxicologist and just threw medicines angle is so false that it hurts me to watch.
@@alloralou4722 True. A lot of people underestimate how much drugs can f up children's hormones in their early age, while still growing and developing. They can even stunt physical and mental development.
I can’t help but wonder what happened to the mum! She is by far the biggest factor in all of this. Excellent video - love your delivery
She got a kick out of "hurting her husband's son". It's pretty common. To varying degrees.
She works for the CDC approving dodgy Covid vaccines.. still causing havoc for the American public
it was mentioned very briefly, but that "wilderness programme" was probably what did him in completely. I've heard all about the kinds of horrific abuse and dehumanizing torture they put kids through at those things. they're practically concentration camps. there was no way in hell he was going to recover from the additional load of whatever trauma was inflicted onto him there. tragic.
Lucy?
very prevelant here in Utah.
From experience: Giving kids antipsychotics can make them psychotic. They destroyed several years of my life. I needed something lightweight for what turned out to be a sensory processing issue. Meanwhile, before that was discovered, I was treated like I was progressively more 'crazy' because the heavy duty medication made me that way. Be careful, parents.
This is what happened to me, I am autistic and misdiagnosed with so many things and they medicated me with Xanax, Prozac, all these terrible drugs that made me feel awful and gave terrible side effects and now that I don’t take anything and do therapy I feel so much better..
Edit for misspelling
That is part of the illuminati attacks upon plebs.
A bioweapon attack, like with aids, or covid.
My daughter has autism and I have had teachers aids actually breath a sigh of relief and thank me when I answer "no" to their question of "Is she taking prescription medication?". My husband and I preferred to avoid it unless absolutely necessary. Thankfully it turns out sometimrs alk she needs are a few of those " goodbye stress" stress gummies by Olly. Her only prescription was for seizures because I could not figure out for the life of me what was triggering them, and not even the neurologist could find anything after an EEG scan. Turns out, and I found out practically by accident, is that the milk was doing it, or more specifically low-fat, skim, or reduced fat milk were triggering them. Added to it was that my husband had a coworker at a former job who is lactose intolerant and so when I put her on special whole milk for lactose intolerant people, a lot of issues subsided. She is still a handful and we have our proverbial headbutting conflicts (which most likely means she is just being a teenager now) and she still has occasional meltdowns but it is not at all the daily drama like it was.
No this was a bag full of victim woke complex and if anybody else would have made this work garbage because he didn't mean to do it they would have got clowned no there was no reason for him to shoot Elijah he did it because he was a sorry sport he been had issues everybody has issues in life he took his out on somebody else because he wanted to because he was coddled because he was told he didn't do anything wrong and the people never checked his bags nobody told him no nobody told him that take the gun off your waist before you come in here in millions of people don't have a bar now to go to cuz it'll never open again he ruined the future for the rest of the gamers in the world he actually took y'all reputation is Gamers and he made you all look mentally ill so you look stupid saying this asinine comment this is the worst take I'm trying to blame somebody else for someone else's actions I ever seen this is a huge thumbs down and this whole comment section is just dumpster fire and hot garbage
@@pausedforcyberbullying_ I don't think anyone even knows what 'comment' you're responding to. Having anything even remotely resembling punctuation in your comment might have helped for clarity. Not judging---just pointing out that if you're going to go through the effort of commenting somewhere, you might as well make it legible. Most of the sentences didn't make sense because it was a couple of paragraphs in the form of a single sentence. Pretty sure you mistakenly responded to this comment in the first place since it wasn't actually talking about this case, but a topic mentioned in it. So you might want to repost this in the comment section wherever you meant to put it. Looks like you meant to reference a post in particular.
Have a good day!
as someone who has played games on high tournament level coffeehouse isn't lying about the agression. Someone can literally hate your guts and be extremely scary to you just because you beat them in games. Sometimes even just because of your playstyle. I stopped going to tournaments because shit just gets scary. I just like being a mysterious name online now
Same.
Uh, you just described assault. You should have pressed charges and maybe the scene would be a bit less toxic. People need to stop letting assholes act this way when it is, literally, criminal.
@@LeCharles07 it’s a lot easier to say that, as a person not actively being affected by the situation. People have literally been killed for less, in that industry
@@LeCharles07 lmaooo i have been in that scene for +8 years and everyone knew what was going on, charges would do nothing
Don't know about Madden, but Fifa tournaments are full of ratty wannabe players who have insanely passive-aggressive playstyles. If someone wants to flip out over that, they'd have to flip out at least 10 times per tournament. It's pretty easy to counter, too. This guy clearly had major issues outside of gaming. Add on top of that, he was the ultimate sore loser...
I started on anti depressants at about 11-12, kinda crazy that Me and David had a VERY similar childhood. I took a lot of the same drugs as him and each month when I’d go for my check up to see how I was feeling on the new medication and if it was working I told the doctors I felt the same as before so they’d switch my meds constantly. I’ve had symptoms of depression, suicidal thoughts and feeling angry the whole rest of my life. I still struggle everyday, so I understand how he may have felt. Kids should not be given these hardcore medications, it can mess you up for the rest of your life.
It's a constant path to dialing the right medication in the right dosis. And that works on the neurochemical part, the psychological part also needs support.
I had the same experience, it worked out for me in the end because I found the right medication that actually lifted my mood. But the switching around of medications was pretty brutal. It can be tough though because I did have a persistent background depression that needed to be treated. I also did get hardcore therapy which is also necessary alongside any drugs, especially for kids.
It really does get better, from someone who went through it. Mindfulness therapy really helped my mindset to be hopeful for the future before I found a medication that lifted the fog
Taylor Robertson was from my hometown and a good friend while I was growing up. His wife and son are precious and my heart goes out to them everyday.
“Wilderness camp for troubled teens” set alarm bells off in my head. The troubled teen industry is an abusive, traumatizing, profit-motivated mess. I’m sure there are some wilderness camps that are fine, but some of them involve you being basically kidnapped from your home and brought with strangers to be left out in the woods for extended periods of time.
It's a place for bad parents to get a break by shipping their kids to.
@@usernameaaa The parents that are either dumb, naive, careless, or a combination of, or the court/judge forces them against their will. There was a judge who I think got life for doing backdoor deals sending kids to particular camps and overpunishing them. It was in one of those flyover states I think.
i came home from a wilderness program this april actually. i did get taken in the middle of the night by two strangers i didn't know. i had no idea where i was going and i cried in the back of a car for 12 hours. every kid was told they weren't going home until they were 18. it was heartbreaking to watch, especially the younger ones who were 13. most of us got frost bite because we weren't allowed to be inside and slept in negative temperatures in snow every day. i was one of the few to be released early (only spent 4 months). i wouldn't wish it on anybody.
I’ve heard that same thing before, too. Just like rehabilitation centers/rehabs- they are solely there to reap the benefits from sufferers’ benefits & insurance. They just make them rely on them over time so they make their money.
All these organizations set out to help those struggling with whatever it is they’re comprised of & created for are a slap in the face for those who genuinely need/want help. They are not to be trusted. It’s insanely devastating that those who DO want the help still can’t get it cause these people are just greedy.
@@ciera604 what's the name of the program? There's a decent chance you can sue them for emotional damages. At the very least expose how dangerous they are.
Never taunt, bully and be cruel to anybody. You never know what the other person is going through.
Exactly
Agreed. I must admit, I won’t grieve for Elijah.
@@user-jj6dh7zg7x what? Trashtalking is already normal in nearly anything in the world as long as it doesn't cross the line. If you can't take some trashtalking you should not do any sport or anything competitive
@@user-jj6dh7zg7x yeah same
Uhhhh how about dont murder people?
Wtf is wrong with people.
Banter and trash talk is apart of all competitive sports/esports.
I was severely bullied all throughout school and had a horrible home life where i was abused and sexually assaulted.
Yet i never even thought about murdering anyone.
There is absolutely no justification for murder.
I like your channel. No stupid sarcastic jokes. Informative. Documentary style. Thanks
No stupid sarcastic jokes
First video of him or?
i also appreciate that his videos are perfectly timed too. they don’t have to be 1+ hour videos to get the story across.
Doesn't have a permanently sarcastic voice (monsters), doesn't talk like a sentence with too many commas (dreading), doesn't use mouse clicks every every frame (stayawake).
CHC is the only true crime channel I can listen to for long periods.
@@Mildain2000 That Chapter is pretty good, but if you hate comedy or dark humor don't bother.
@@deeznutz8320 It sounds like a dig at another true crime You Tuber from Ireland...
I remember watching it on twitch. I'll never forget that day rip to the victims and families involved
How far did the stream go? Did you see anything or was it just audio?
@@Bob-yg7ry Mostly audio but hearing it live is something different
@@afrosamurai76 just searched it and there's actually a vid on here. I can't believe that.
@@Bob-yg7ry Crazy. Surprised it's on here
damn dude. sucks u had to go thru that
This is why I live by the philosophy of treating everyone as kindly as I can because no one knows what others are going through and it just shows that so many people are going through severe mental health problems and one act could be the tipping point. I'm so sorry no one stepped in to help this boy before he went over the edge. It really saddens my heart and I hope mental health will continue to be less and less taboo and be seen as the important thing it really is
Same. I'm the same way. I go out of my way to be polite to others, and be accommodating. To the point where people I know tell me I apologize too much (i have a habit of saying sorry to people for everything, even when it's something that the other person would normally apologize for, like if they were to bump into me by accident or something like that). I wouldn't want to end up shot by someone because they are having a bad day and I'm the straw that broke the camels back.
Good philosophy to live by.
@@nickyblue4866 same here, I go out of my way to avoid conflict with anyone.
You are a perfect person
Basically, treat others the way you want to be treated. I support this.
I remember where I was when friends and family were calling my mom and I to check on us because we'd go to the landing alot on weekends. Everyone was worried we were caught in the shooting. Thankfully we happened to decide not to go downtown that day
I remember calling and texting all of my family and friends that was in the area or mentioned about going to the landing that day.
This was so wild 😰
@@TavieSpitFire That's pathetic. Worry about yourself first.
@@azazello1784 what?
@@azazello1784 cry.
I remember this happening when I was living there, I didn't go to the tournament because I had to work. The story here was immediately degraded to "a guy got mad that he lost so he shot his rival". None of these extra details were given. Good job.
I feel awful for his dad, he knew just how awful his wife was and what his son needed for his mental health. I can't imagine how he felt about failing him too
Katz had been living with his dad at the time of the shooting. He was 24, so I assume he'd been living there since 18, considering how much he hated his mom. That's 6 years of his dads "better" care for his son that was known to be violent to the point the police needed to be called because he threw a fit about his mom taking away his video games as punishment.
If anything I think the dad had blinders on.
@@checkouijuliet doesn't mean the kid was beyond saving but seems both parents lacked the drive
But this also proves that not always women make the best parents the father knew better and didn’t get sole custody how sad for both the kid and the father screw the mother her license needs to be pulled and fired
@@checkouijuliet But also the damage may have already been done by that point. His mother's actions were extreme and in most scenarios would saddle a person with dehumanizing stigmas (crazy, schizo, deranged) for life.
@@checkouijuliet the video states he was living alone in a condo...
I had a friend who went through, "Wilderness Therapy."
What it really was, (is) is my friend's mom decided he was "out of control" for smoking weed once.
They hired one of these wilderness therapy companies that literally kidnapped him out of his home in the middle of the night. Hood over the head, wrists and ankles zip-tied, thrown into the back of a van, taken to the middle of nowhere, beaten, abused, and treated like less than an animal for a year.
Dude was never the same, understandably.
all the people i met called it "getting gooned". all the girls who never had trauma with males all developed the fear after that kind of experience.
@@cdot2225 Wilderness therapy camps are a real thing, although one year sounds extremely unlikely, the amount of money that would cost would be astronomical and I doubt it would be legal to take a kid for that long especially considering the legal requirement for schooling (although I don't know where they are situated.)
But again they do exist and they're very controversial, quote from wikipedia: Wilderness therapy, also known as outdoor behavioral healthcare, is a treatment option for behavioral, substance, and mental health issues in adolescents.[1] Patients spend time living outdoors with peers. Most participants attend involuntarily. Reports of abuse, deaths, and lack of research into efficacy have led to controversy.
Notice how the women never know how to raise a young boy into a man
@@justbg as someone who was sent to wilderness therapy for extreme violence as a child (I truly just can't stand being fucked with or picked on, stemming from my abusive childhood I'm guessing. 1st fight was at 6 and I was made to beat the kid with a big ass thick branch because he stole my bike) this is my experience:
They came at 5:30am. No bags over heads etc. Wasn't voluntary but wasn't forced either if that makes sense. Dad said that's what I'm doing so that's what I did kinda thing. We drove for 5 hours to the middle of nowhere west Virginia. Was there violence? Yeah, a lot. But NOT by adults to us kids. It was us against us. We were all bad kids, fighters(me) arsonists(4 of the 7 others, 8 total) etc. We decided early as a group that we were gonna go with whatever, but also have our "fights" to balance it out. All summer long, black eyes and bloody noses, broken teeth, 2 cracked ribs and a fractured vertebrate (which never healed, resulting in a permanent fracture, but luckily very minimal pain or discomfor). They try reaching you self efficiency, self reliability, communication and leadership.
But in all reality, it's a summer long camp full of violence, fake urgency, fake yelling, authentic fights and zero growth
@@justbg dude there are people who stay there for YEARS. it's not uncommon and it's mostly agreeg among the people who were kidnapped and put there that it's a very abusive and violent experience. there's many testimonials on tiktok and it's truly horrific stuff
Reading the letter to the judge made me tear up. Ugh. 😢
This is a good reminder that a teen stricken with bullies and bad parents can lead into suicidal and murder thoughts. They fight through the thought of teaching them a lesson, torturing them, or killing them, all in hopes that the bully and abuse finally ends here and then, and then good conscience would say that's a bad idea, that's how they endure it. David simply had enough, lost to his good conscience, and did exactly what he wanted to to end it all. That is all there is to it.
David's cries for help fell on deaf ears! What a sad ending...
Sad ending for 2 people not david
Y’all always blame ppl for what they do but don’t understand how mentally ill they are and what causes the problems
But rest in peace to everybody 🙏🏽🙏🏽that died
@@gallonthegreat7036 nope not sad for that bully 🤣🤣
@@maki-chandesu5574 facts! the boy lost got mad and started shooting, he was just like these other beta male pussies who blame shit on "mental health" had he won im sure this wouldnt have happened, he grew up in the "everyone wins" era lmfao
Lexipro, Abilify and Prozac? Seriously?! That is a horrifying combination, especially for someone as young as he was while on them. Prescribing anti-depressants and/or anti-psychotics for adolescence should always be carefully monitored because of the changes they are going through mentally and physiologically as they get older. One might work for awhile but over time it could do the opposite.
And she worked for FDA 🤦🏻♀️
This is what stereotypical US mental health looks like for people who live outside. Cant do lobotomy anymore? Lets ram dozen of hard drugs down this guy gob, nothing bad will happen trust us.
@@avocaos The FDA is a complete joke. You pay them, excuse me, 'LOBBY' enough, they will give anything their FDA seal of approval.
@@al6r725 I know right, I work for food industry in Italy that exports in the USA so I know smth about the fda.. what a joke lmao
Isn't there a chance for serotonin syndrome with this combo?
I found the media coverage after this rather amusing.
Everyone was ready to pounce on the violence & video games angle then had backpedal when it turned out to be a football game
I was literally crying when I watched this. I never heard of this incident and your video educated me. As an avid Tekken/Mortal Kombat fan I’ve been to many events like this and it’s an atmosphere of peace, community, and escape. I’ve met people from all walks of life in those events and some life long friends. I’ve sat in a seat on stream JUST like that it was surreal watching that footage was just really heavy to watch. 😢
As someone whom also suffers from various mental health conditions, it is always important that there are positive role models and peers to look to. This hits me pretty hard cause I've not always had that in my life and can relate a lot of what this kid experienced.
I hope you are doing well
I'm so sorry. I hope things get better for you.
God Bless.
yup.
Just remember you are more than your mental health, you are stronger than you think and braver than you feel. That's what I tell my son who also has his own problems. I also make sure he knows just how much I love him and how proud I am of him.
Be kind to everyone! Teach your kids to be kind and to never bully anyone, no matter how different they are. We all have personal struggles in life.
....or they could just abolish gun laws altogether & then you wouldn't hear as many stories of trigger happy americans killing their own. That's the fuck up in america 🥴🙄🤦🇦🇺😎
I remember when this happened, and I heard very little of the context at the time. The bare bones of "Madden gamer shoots competitors at tournament" was really all that I and the people around me knew. Finding out how many things came together to lead to this just makes it so much more tragic. There are always questions about what could have been done to prevent someone from committing a mass shooting, and it's usually questionable if there was any particular action that could have been performed, but in this case there are just so many things people could have done that could have changed the course of this.
I have so many emotions watching this... I had almost identical issues growing up, in being medicated and hospitalized from a very very young age for similar issues. But I’m in reality a very peaceful person. I’ve been diagnosed with basically everything, with few firm conclusions. While I don’t have answers, I can’t imagine doing something like this..
The pain in that kids eyes, in every single picture…..is heartbreaking.
His mom had him on so many drugs, it’s a miracle he never ODed……
Say what you want, but David was just as much a victim in this case as he was the perpetrator.
Well said.
I agree. He looks so uncomfortable when he was interviewed. It was painful to watch.
Couldn't have said it better. That graduation picture is just so damn sad.
So you think it's normal that he was able to get guns? Guns kill people. Imagine if he couldn't get guns.
Because he’s a psycho. Mom was right in medicating the little freak
I've struggled with dysthymia since I was a kid myself, well over 20 years of it now. It is well, well known to not react well to typical meds. lifestyle changes and therapy techiques like normal depression. Sadly it just kinda lingers in some way and often never fully goes away. Antidepressants took a small edge off of mine, but it never fully leaves. I'm always happy to hear someone talk about it and get some awareness but always sad its in a situation like this. We often tend to need support workers or something to keep an eye on us now and then. The lack of hygeine is an obvious hint he wasnt caring to look after himself.
Very well done video! A sad story indeed. Thank you for your way of presentation.
This is sadly the case so often for these cases, but I recognise many of my own autism symptoms in David (social awkwardness, lack of eye contact, skill in a particular interest, etc.) The fact that he was picked on for these qualities is all the more poignant. I saw the start of it myself years ago (before diagnosis), and although I've thankfully dealt with these negative thoughts, I think it is very likely that a lot of people like this were partially motivated by hate as a result of years of almost systematic bullying, harassment, and ostracism for showing autistic symptoms. It's absolutely no excuse for what he did, there is clearly something very seriously wrong with someone for them to commit such a cruel and violent act. But there needs to be more widespread awareness and acceptance of autistic people, not as a silver bullet, but as another piece of the puzzle when it comes to preventing violence.
This is a crazy story, wow. David is responsible for David's actions, but what an unfortunate set of circumstances aligned to allow this to happen. You never know what someone's breaking point will be. 😞
The black dude especially what he did to him was fucked up. Don't forget the case where Jay-z didn't have to go to jail when his songs were leaked even when he stabbed the producer.
The dude leaked the book, I am sure that is criminal. I think no one advised the shooter to sue the guy. I am sure he would have won and gotten compensated and the black dude would be removed from the tournament.
I blame this on the shooter for his action, but the black dude for fueling it.
@@amitkarmacharya4493 100% correct. Elijah was the main reason David snapped.
It's karma, He was spreading negative energy and it ended up coming back his way
@@amitkarmacharya4493 “the black dude”? Gtfoh kid, there’s no need to call people by their color when you heard his name was Elijah. Also, David was mentally ill and was going to murder people in the future anyway. His mom was the was to blame for all of this, not “the black dude”. And all these people agreeing with you are either stupid or racist or both.
@@nkbd1048 Yeah but the other white guy that died I don't think did anything to provoke him. The ten other people injured also didn't do anything.
This is so sad. We'll never know, but I reckon that decent therapy could have prevented a lot of heartache for everyone involved.
One of the first things I’ve learnt in my psychology course around 6 semesters ago, was the story of the psychiatric meds boom of the early 2000s-2012, and a myriad of false diagnostics of mental health issues on children being immediately answered with drugs. Nowadays, we are taught very early on in classes how absolutely devastating the consequences of that sort of thing can be, and watching this I can’t help but feel sad. I’ve seen my fair share of teenagers and young adults that can barely function or are overall in shambles dealing with having been on this sort of medication since an early age, and more than once I’ve heard words like “my mom/dad treats me like a lab rat”.
This all goes to say, i don’t know honestly. Don’t drug your kids probably.
wow this is great to hear, my mother was at the time not a PHD but in practice. Her answer to anything! was RX. You should see her medicine cabinet it looks like a pharmacy
Well when people demonize every form of therapy, they push pills, those wanting to be “nice” to kids with problems do more harm then good
@@david-468 ye it was a wild decade in regards to that, and it honestly does no good to either psychiatry or psychology since it makes people resentful and not willing to seek help. Now of course, there are applications for psychiatric medication, in many severe cases, but not in the way it was being used a while back to fix stuff that pretty much wasn't broken in the first place, especially when it came to kids in development ages.
@@seanmiller449 oof, sounds kinda like my dad, his first reaction to whatever his kids did wrong was to see if any sort of medication existed for it KEKW he didn't mean any harm though, and luckily he actually listened to his kids and changed his mind eventually.
The live stream of the tournament when it happened was terrifying, I can't imagine having to experience that in person. I really think this story really highlights the importance of normalizing mental health discussions and being kind to ppl. Another great video
@@todor_todorov I think that puts too much blame on someone who was murdered. Elijah's bullying wasn't a non-factor, but I feel something like this would've happened at some point regardless. Elijah beating him was seemingly the last straw that day...but dude purchased and brought a gun to the tournament before Elijah even committed to playing in it. So many ignored red flags, such a sad story.
Years ago, I was walking around one of the safest parts of downtown Detroit (Greektown, no "safe part of Detroit" isn't an oxymoron as it's where all the visitors go and there's heavy police presence) with my girlfriend and 1 street over, a fight broke out and some animal pulled a pistol out and started shooting wildly. It was horrifying, everyone started running and trampling over each other and all the women were screaming at the top of their lungs. Gunfire in real life is also incredibly loud, cameras don't do the volume justice. I can't imagine how much more chaotic and horrifying it was in such a small space.
The normalization of something abnormal is nothing but unhealthy.
You get use to it especially if you was born in the Bronx
'Being kind to people' says it all. Whatever you call it; 'The Golden Rule', 'I learned everything I needed to know in kindergarten' etc.
Just be kind....
I don't understand why people continue to bully after seeing so many stories of this type. You never know what someone is going through and what extreme a bully might push them to.
I feel like if David had gotten to live with his dad and hadn’t had his brain chemistry altered so much during the most important developmental years of his life, this tragedy might not have happened…. :(
Someone said David lived with his Dad since he was 18. Didn't make a difference.
@@lauraburke2189 Maybe, but he'd already been so fucked up by that point from his mom, I wonder if he'd been allowed to live with his dad from more fundamental years if it would have helped. Regardless, we can't go back in time and fix what was done, hoping for the best. It's terrible what these victims went through. Ugh. Sometimes these stories really get you deep in the gut.
@@lauraburke2189 the damage was already done by then
@@lauraburke2189 yeah the amount of crazy ass drugs he was out on he needed years and years of therapy to help him ween off, like others said the damage was already done. The father isn’t innocent but the mom sounds like a monster.
Well they're now justifying giving children hormonal drugs! Imagine the mess this is going to cause. Give it 10 years.
Jeezus f***. This one was so freaking dark. I don't know why I was expecting something different, but the dead-eyed look in Katz's eyes, he really wasn't there anymore. The drugs, the way his mother treated him, and his behaviour - there were so many red flags. So SO many, and yet no one stepped in. The fact that no one recognized this downward spiral. The sheer amount of drugs he was on -- what a freaking combo. Lexapro, Prozac, and Abilify, like WTF. Over-medicated -- he must have felt NOTHING. These meds can just turn your brain off and make someone dissociate and feel like a zombie. I just can't believe how this came together, and NO ONE stepped in. The overscripting is just... FFS.
@@Julia-uh4li overscripting as in the over-prescribing of medication
While those aren't particularly harmful in a normal situation, he should have definitely been receiving better mental health care to prevent this from happening
And like... Not being able to purchase guns legally but that's just my take :)
But he probably wasn’t on those meds as an adult. Adults with serious mental health problems often don’t take meds. And he had a dad encouraging him not to. We don’t know he was taking all of them at once as a teen, either.
Chances are, it was his illness and not his treatment that caused his problems in adulthood.
@@Julia-uh4li over-scripting, or over-prescribing. I missed a hyphen.
So happy to see your channel growth.
I think that bullying and humiliating anyone is also a sign of a psychological problem. What we can learn here is that sometimes the “weakling” hits back and the results are devastating. I think that Elijah also had a big part contributed to the escalation. Probably if he hadn’t bullied him so badly, both would probably gone home alive…
Nothing can justify what he did, why would he purchase a gun two weeks earlier
I was bullied at school and didnt do what he did.. no excuses.
@@josephboakye3804 I didn’t justify what he was doing. I guess you misunderstood my comment. I simply pointed out that the other one also added his part to this escalation that ended up in that terrible result. I think that both were guilty for the death of a real innocent person. Life is never black and white…
@@samboy1406 This is a very simplified and narrow perspective. It implicates the view that “I’m always right and all others are wrong”. But real life is not that way. Like here, the summation of both sides led to the the tragic end of a person was not involved.
Your situation was different to this one so you can’t compare them. Thank God that your situation was different to this one. It’s arrogant to judge others if you are not in their shoes.
@@wolly4u still defending his actions? again I was bullied at school and didnt do what he did.. no excuses.
Watching his emotional progression from the various tournaments footage from when he started to when he committed this act is harrowing. You can see him become more and more dead inside.
And the pictures of the crime scene, from the victims bodies to the shooter's, is easy to find on the internet and on Reddit.
Reddit really has everything
The crime scene photos being easy to find isn't a good thing.
@@Wolfiegreenwood why? The only way you would see them is if you actively go looking for them. They aren’t pushed into your face.
If you go looking for them, you have no right to complain if you are disturbed.
@@Wolfiegreenwood why not? do you want it to be hidden away instead of being able to interpret it yourself?
@@aksel7177 Yeah, fat nerds too.
Adrian, I’m so impressed with how quickly you’ve morphed this channel into something really polished and super professional. You took some giant leaps on the fast track to accomplish all this. You should be proud!
holy shit i remember this event, i attended a charity event to support the venue and the victims from what happened. :(
this is one example IMO on what happens when people are denied the mental healthcare they need
As someone who struggles with mental health issues and has had to take similar drugs to him, I truly truly feel for him. What he did is not excusable but can be explained by the way he was treated and how he was struggling. So sorry for the families of the victims
Shouldn’t bully people….never know who you are dealing with
Absolutely agree!!!
Yes! As a kid who was bullied a lot, I make very sure my kid knows I expect her to be kind, and if she can stand up for anyone she sees getting bullied, she knows I will be super proud of her for it. Now that she’s 12, and has already gone through active shooter drills at her school, Ive explained to her that some kids who’ve been in school shootings have survived because they’d always been kind to the kid or kids doing the shooting, so yes, the main reason Ive so heavily emphasized empathy with Kiddo is because that’s the kind of human I want to raise, but also, secondarily, because she can never know when it may save her life!
I detest bullying of any kind. Why would you just keep messing with a person until they lose their mind? It's just so wrong.
It's wild to me how there's a qualifier to your statement.
Never bully someone. Period.
You shouldn't be avoiding bullying just because of the potential consequences, you should never bully anyone because it's harmful to the person.
@@sanne27 Yes I agree.
i'm worried about his brother tbh, whatever horrors differed in their shared childhood this is now yet another wound to have to live with and surely its not easy
I have played madden for over 10 years and yes the community can be extremely toxic especially since the game itself is so badly made but what Elijah did to David was completely over the realms of standard trash talk thats what we call bullying. Thank you for revealing what Elijah did go David because up until now I did not know what he did to him and I will now only grieve for SpotmePlzz
Indeed. Seriously; f**k Elijah. I've spent far too much of my life being bullied by others, to the point that I now have literal PTSD. Elijah got what was coming to him. I have ZERO sympathy for his fate. As for the other victims of David's actions; that's truly atrocious.
R.I.P. SpotmePlzz
@@Right_Said_Brett oh its literal PTSD? What other kind is there?
It's on you for letting them bully you. You just have to grow a bigger pair, not buy a gun.
@@pierre-claudemeriot6562 What a vile comment to make. Also, why would I buy a gun?! I'm British, so it wouldn't even be an option regardless.
@@Right_Said_Brett I was talking about the weakling who shot 12 people cuz he lost a game.
@@Right_Said_Brett saying to a dead that he got what's coming is just as vile. My vileness made me rise above the bullies and not live my life as a "victim".
Awesome work Adrian always a great video 😀
This is why you don't bully or torment people, you never know who's capable of what and it's just cruel.
Agreed
Facts
Indeed.
Kids call that "Fucking around and finding out".
The victim sounded like a real asshole
When he won the game and barely reacted you could see he was depressed . I can relate to that part not any of the other fuckery he did .
Please note that the bullying of Elijah was the trigger, many people have changed behaviours, becoming evil just because of bullying, it is dangerous for people too to bully; tease others when they don't know the mental state of others.
yep 100
What bullying? Not wanting to share a cab with Katz? Posting a game guide that Katz co-wrote online? Every game guide gets posted online, and the door slamming is Katz's own account of what happened, and is disputed by a witness.
The two didn't like each other. Katz had a reputation for being rude, and Elijah probably was the type to not take that in stride. Considering Katz wound up *shooting people* I'd say his reputation was pretty fkin warranted and he was probably hella unpleasant to be around. People with ODD tend to have hot tempers, resentful, deliberately annoying, accusatory, verbally aggressive, and vindictive. Between his diagnosis and his reputation (and the 20+ police calls on Kats by his mom and twice being committed), it's highly unlikely that the relationship between Elijah and Katz was one of Katz just passively existing and Elijah making fun of him.
Okay so he went on killing people for no reason?
@@florimondkadinekene4267 Yes. There is no reason for someone to commit a mass shooting, so it is inherently for no reason. People with ODD are similar to psychopaths but usually aren't prone to physical violence. But a gun makes physical violence a lot less physical. As far as Katz's motives: he hated Elijah and he hated losing.
The pic of the dude slumped over look it up he got ducked
This David has the most sad and hopeless eyes I've ever seen I think. There's just no need to be intentionally cruel to anyone. They are that way from trauma (usually). No need to tip them over the edge.
I need you all to know that David’s adolescent life is FAR MORE COMMON THAN YOU THINK. some of us are still here. Some of us begged for stability or support for base needs.
Reach out to struggling youth. It could be the difference made that saves a life.
While Elijah didn't deserve to die, this seems like a case of "I didn't know that thing I was poking was actually a rabid bear".
More a case of "fuck around and find out" lmao, good riddance
@@LukeyMia4 still on the beginning of the video, but I am positive “fuck around and find out” should be the takeaway.
Exactly. Nothing of value was lost. Someone who treats others like that is NOT a good person. Mf got what he deserved.
@@LukeyMia4 100% correct. I feel 0 sympathy for that dude. The other guy that was killed, I do feel bad for. He didn’t deserve it for sure.
@@john_the_masochist2564 I mean it’s hardly equal is it? He was a bully so he deserved to die? If David had beat the crap out of him then I’d say fair enough, there’s no way you can justify someone losing their life over that. Least of all in response to him losing a fucking game
I was at landing the day before this happened....my dad was visiting me since it was my first year in college. We walked by the bar, thought it was rad, took some pics, and went on our way. The next day, I got the news from friends. I feel so so lucky, and so much sorrow for the families of those lost. Thank you for covering this case. This means the world to gamers in Jax
This happened in my city, and i remember hearing about it. Very sad case all around.
I love how in every vid before diving into the cases you take the all the time to research and give information and backgrounds about the cities and settings of every case you discuss, one of my favorite channels
'Honestly, this whole situation sounds fucked.' Couldn't have said it better.
🥱🥴..maybe if gun laws in America changed none of this 💩 would be happening in your side of the world 🙄
I remember when this happened. As a gamer and cosplayer, I was scared to go to any big events, like a comic con, after this happened. Makes you realize that stuff like this can happen to anyone, anywhere and it's scary :(
I was once part of a collegiate e-sports club, and what aimed at being comraderie over video games was a cloudy dream in the sky, because it was soon discovered that competitive eSports players are often quite toxic. This is so sad but understandable how it could happen.
When you said his father complained she was giving David drugs instead of parenting is chilling. She was experimenting on her child!
Lol no she was maybe slightly reliant on drugs because she is a toxicologist and is comfortable with them but the kid was obviously sick and needed all the mental health professionals and help she tried to get him
since then , the FDA has experimented on quite a few people..
What a load of rubbish - he was prescribed them from someone else - sometimes young people are damaged and hard to treat. She prob did the best she could for him.
She was being a lazy parent.
@@darlingdeb7010 I fully agree.
Im born and raised in Jacksonville, FL and I remember this happening. Seeing the community come back after this amazing. Appreciate you for putting a light on this and talking mental health.
My bro was there a couple hours before it happened
6:37 guy ,this antidepressant guy, I think the whole problem was with the mother-doctor
Which exaggerated his problems by prescribing a ton of drugs and actually caused or deepened his problems ... in short, the mother drove her son into this disease and then we only see the result of her "help" and his destroyed personality It has nothing to do with computer games ... only with mental problems that could occur with any 1-player game (whether it's computer or normal and it's about spending time alone, not PC killers)
That's why I'm concerned for many children I'm working with.
Many parents abuse their kids in some way, even if they don't realize it. The saddest thing is that, some of them refuse to see their guilt, until kids either end up broken, or abandon their parents because of their abusive behavior....
As a member of the gamer community in Jacksonville, this ripped a hole in us. We've never fully recovered.
As a mental health advocate, I would just like to point out that EVERYONE has mental health (just like physical health). The issue is when we suffer from poor mental health. I realise this seems like a small and almost negligible difference, but it is a big step towards making people understand the overall issues we face.
Love the channel and videos
Well you're 42 years too late to help me! :) Just kidding.
Pop died when I was 14. Don't know why I fell apart so bad and pretty much the rest o my life on and off. Mom was a good person but a little crazy and though I DO NOT HATE catholics AT ALL, the catholic guilt thing was bad and damaging.
My problem and my FAULT was that I NEVER took the meds regularly.
"ah they don't really work and it's not like blood pressure or heart medication where you could die from not taking it"
That's not true. I attempted suicide in my 30s. It 'wasn't a cry for help. It was a cry for death lol
Took 100 xanax and though it wan AWFUL 4 days in the ER then a week in psych, I obviously survived.
Not suicidal for a long time now.
Wellbutrin in my early 40s SAVED ME
I'm a moderate conservative and I do believe in the "by your boot straps" TO AN EXTENT...but I take mental illness VERY SERIOUSLY now and if one needs it, GET IT!!
Or else you wont even be able to "pull up your boostraps"
Thank you for being an advocate
You should watch Andrew Tate
Mental health and physical health are both connected.
Thank you for speaking up. I have BPD and my psychiatric med provider quit and I was assigned to a new provider. At 1st she treated me like a number, now she treats me like a burden. I was doing really well for over a full year, before I was assigned to her care. Now I am struggling to be okay. And noone cares that my decline is due to how my new provider treats me like garbage. It is pretty horrific.
I say that to everyone! Because we always know about our own mental health and we always think we are alone but in reality i believe its every single person that might struggle with bigger or smaller mental issues and we wont know because they are not open about it/not aware of it.
I've never heard of this event, man I was in tears how horrible for those young men 😢
I felt so bad for *Elijah Clayton* i dont know why i googled *''Elijah Clayton body''* the images are brutal. Thoughts and prayers to the family :(
I remember watching the live stream, and seeing the crime scene photos. It really puts everything in perspective. You truly never know who is going to make that one crazy move to end lives. RIP to all those involved. Also, good video! 👍
I had a similar childhood to him, even was on Lexapro, abilify, etc. They helped me a ton, but I also went to therapy and that helped a lot as well.
I’m glad you were helped ❤
Exactly. It takes more than pills to "fix" a kid. Young people are as much human beings as adults. And they are still developing, so it needs constant adjustment and other support.
Excellent work Adrian ❤❤❤
Thank you!
This is horrific!! Seeing the laser on Elijah’s chest was chilling! This is such a sad story and it’s a shame that his mother made things more difficult, it seems. Those three drugs you named are major drugs with major side effects!
RIP to all that lost their life and were injured. Looks like we have to have security in place to check for weapons just about everywhere!
I love how you go into the victims lifes so we get to know a bit of who they were before their tragic deaths. Thank you.
Yeah I was happy to know that Elijah was a total piece of sh*t, that way I don't feel bad for him :)
@@DesroQc I wouldn't go so far and call him a pos, but he shouldn't have done the things he did. But he did in no shape or form deserve to die for it.
Only tragic death here was taylor's but ok.
Whats crazy is, I was there the night before this and was invited to come watch the tournament by the owner. The only reason I didn't go was due to ny friends tire being flat🤦🏾♂️
Same. But I got stuck in my uncles mini cooper and couldn't find the keys
Dodged a few bullets, hahaha
I love your videos on here Adrian. They're well scripted, researched, and presented. One thing I would say is that ‘mental health’ doesn't mean anything alone. ‘Mental health problems’ are where issues lay. It's a bit like describing why someone did something because of ‘health’. Everyone has mental health itself. The differentiating factor is whether or not that mental health is good or bad. Regardless of this, your videos are amazing, though I've struggled to watch since November when my love and dearest friend died. She was the one who led me to your UA-cam videos and she was a huge fan of them. I know that, if she were still here we'd spend hours talking about others you have posted. Thank you for bringing us so many things to talk about. I miss her every day and I hope she won't mind me watching on alone.
13:49 I'm more and more feeling sad for David 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
This case is honestly heartbreaking.. While David's actions were horrific, he was very obviously crying out for help, and nobody was listening.. It shocks me that his Mother is not blamed for these tragedies.
Because the mom did nothing wrong
@@EssexAggiegrad2011 SHe did many things wrong. Maybe not "illegal" but still wrong.
Why is it always the mother's fault? What about the father's decision to undermine David's treatment for years?
@@RosemaryAmey he could be at fault too, but if you actually watched the video, it's the mother who made those poor choices that ultimately affected him. The father wasn't mentioned at all.
@@aWildHiker6444 YOU see that it was a poor decision but maybe she TRULY thought she was doing what was right for her child. To me, It looked like a confused and stressed out mom trying to find a solution for her severely mentally unstable son. It’s easy to say what you would do when you’ve never been in that situation. As a mom i wouldnt give my kids meds at that age, but also I’ve never had a mentally ill child. She did what she thought was best, there isn’t a blueprint on how to be the perfect parent.
Please don't bully the quiet kid, or anyone for that matter, because you just never know what kind of shit someone is going through.
or what they're capable of if pushed too far
I do agree completely on this, but who decides what constitutes as bullying? One guy may have a lot of friends that smack talk or shove each other as comradery, but that might completely setoff or trigger the new quiet kid that the guy wants to make sure he feel included. He might not even know he's triggering the guy until it's too late..
Granted that's definitely not the case here or in most situations, but I don't think it's always black or white.
Its a popularized meme at this point that theyll shoot up the school. While many may be less bullied now theyll have to deal with social problems on their own. No one owes anyone anything beyond being cordial with one another
@@johndoeenemy *cases
@@SunGawdRa camaraderie
Every time he said Lincoln Park my brain went "CRAAAAAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIN..."
Tragic. Depression in kids has been rising at an alarming rate. We really need to focus on it as mentors or as role models. They need help.
As always, a balanced and respectful analysis. As someone who started therapy and a range of SSRIs by the same age, well... At age 38 I have discovered I cannot go without SSRI usage and my MDD is ever present. The experience of medicating alongside therapy over the intervening years has been like a roulette wheel, sometimes it works, often it fails. When you really lose, well... There's a reason I live in the middle of nowhere. This is a tragedy that breaks the heart to hear about. Especially when I can recall each med and the reaction I had (after a while I started a spreadsheet, I lose count otherwise.)
I can see the pain behind David's eyes. This is a very sad story.
RIP to all.
WTF? he killed 2 innocent people.
@@deanbilly9073 i know.
@@deanbilly9073 they obviously you know…. They are just saying he was also hurting (not an excuse to hurt other people) but they all didn’t deserve that
@@deanbilly9073 I wouldn't say that Elijah was innocent because of the things he did to David but the other guy was innocent.
He looked severely depressed already in that highschool photo
Sadly this isn't the only video I've watched about a murderer being obsessed with video games.. ty Adrian
This case is absolutely MADDENing
i can’t believe how big this channel has gotten congrats man remember when you had 30k
This is a really important story - not just for David's mental health issues & the appalling way in which his mother dealt with them, but how eSports needs to be treated as seriously as physical sports. These are individuals engaging in aggressive (sometimes toxic) competition, often without the socialisation aspect & pressure-relieving activities of physical training with buddies or a team. They compete at much younger ages, giving them no time to build the skills & maturity to cope with the pressure. eSports players should have access to physical & mental health professionals, just like footballers have physiotherapists & nutritionists to keep them in shape for games... they make money for the big game developers, so they deserve to be treated as such.
* Some where in the world : "eat chit kid uninstall ur bad" 😈😈
You're completely right. If they can pay 10 thousand as prize they can afford an on-site counselor and mental health screenings
@@aldranzam3456 it is it their job though?
Lol you’re pretty confused, but you’ve got the spirit. Average esports player is over 18. Have to be to compete for money in lots of states. In fact, 18 is the bottom of the average demographic, 18-32. That would make the exact average 24 years old. They don’t need nutritionists and all the sports bs you’re talking about at all either lmao. Sorry, but coming from someone who used to play esports for a living, you don’t know what you’re talking about, but I appreciate that you care about player health and safety.
@@aldranzam3456 “mental health screenings” for what? Screening for which illnesses? Why? What are you guys even talking about? Lol so many ignorant folks with very large and weird opinions in here
There are very few things in life worse than growing up with an unloving mother... i speak of experience... if she doesn't care about you and your future, then it's really hard to embrace that perspective yourself because it feels unnatural.
My observation:
The fact that David got the guns beforehand is premeditative yes, for he was already at the peak of tolerance regarding the bully. Combined with the natural feeling of not caring about his life, he made his plan B beforehand for when shit goes wrong, calculating taking his own life aswell.
Those meds at early age are also making it worse, it makes one care even less... i see the afternath of it in my own younger brother still to this day. Being in jail multiple times before reaching 18.. so dont feed those "legal" drugs to your kids, ever.. he might have been more depressed like me but atleast not that deeply and dangerously careless about his own life..
Way to make excuses for a murderer
@@Grant849 unfortunate that you can't directly see what I mean by this message. This kid didn't wake up randomly deciding to be a murderer. He was at the end of options, for as far as he could muster options. Considering his past, carelessness played a big factor in it, in ways I've already stated. Again, this is my observation since I can relate and recognize to what can push people to do extreme things. These are not excuses for his horrible deed, but rather an insight to what goes before such act of violence.
But if you want me to say it then sure, if he didn't take his own life after it happened, then yes he should be jailed for life for he is a danger to anyone else. Mentally messed up and probably unfixable, therefor incapable of taking part of society.
@@DontConvinceMe he got pissed off from an enemy and took their life because he's a murderous POS. You can make all the excuses you want
@@Grant849 its not that simple..
I hear you...1st paragraph
this is why you should always be respectful to others, my dad always told me that you never know what’s going on in someone else’s life, so just be kind
This one was a tough one to watch. This speaks volume to men's mental health. How we treat each other and how others want to be treated. Sad sad story.
What Elijah did about the book might have been a huge trigger.
I'm not one for victim shaming either but I have to agree. A move like that to a normal person would prompt a call to a lawyer. But in this case it added to the building rage.
@@robd3747 yeah, this is probably the ONLY case from this channel that I’ve watched that I can say that a victim kinda had it coming… still Elijah didn’t deserve to die whatsoever, but the constant provoking he put David through didn’t help.
@@robd3747 you’re so right. It’s a shame how it panned out.
@@bababababababa6124 it really didn’t help the situation at all.
@@julm7744 This might be the dumbest idea I have ever heard. I don't know many black people that would "shut up" if you call them the N word. Quite the opposite actually.
I was 11 I believe when I first started antidepressants I've been depressed my whole life and I desperately needed the meds.
I remember this happening, I was coming back from a weekend in Tampa and we had just been passing into down town Jax near to where this was and I looked on my phone for some reason and it was posted that it was just happening and that police where on scene. This was a real shock too because I had just been at that game bar the week before for an event. The following week of the story on the news and then seeing the whole story was so crazy and we had just passed by the landing and I was so close to everything. One turn and we would’ve been heading that way. For anyone who doesn’t know that whole area is now gone and it being replaced with a park.