Vitamins and Supplements: An Evidence-Based Approach
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- (2:50 - Main Presentation) Dr. Jeffrey Tice, UCSF Department of Medicine, looks at vitamin use and the benefits and harms from these dietary supplements. [11/2013] [Show ID: 25642]
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I've been depressed for years, but in 2020 I got Achalasia, couldn’t eat without throwing it back up, and lost 60 kg (132lbs) in 10 months.
I got the Heller Myotomi surgery in march ‘21. But due to severe lack of nutrition, I was put on triple dose of Vitamin D3, B1, B3, B6, and B9 and B12. a month before the surgery.
After 2 months on these (I'm now six months in and down to double dose instead of tripple), my year long depression just vanished.
Why did no doctor check for vitamin deficiency?
I could have saved myself a decade of depression.
Thank you Achalasia
because of the education system. The whole system is a shit. You can never trust in a doctor. Too many died already. Not only that. Almost nothing works as it should be. Starting with the governments.
Scotland has one of the highest rates of MS in the world. Thousands of young women have their life ruined with the cruel disease. This suffering could be reduced if the govt made sure young girls got enough sunlight. Or made sure everyone was taking a decent dose of vitamin D3 during Winter.
It would reduce the severity and amount of MS in the population. But people don't make money off of that.
@@johnnyg2501 - She lost the weight and the depression was still there. Only after 2 months on the vitamins did it go away. If it was weight the depression should have slowly lifted as she lost weight.
Because vitamins do not have patents, it's sold by anyone and cheap to make. Health system is solely about making money for pharmaceutical companies. We are just a customer and we must be sick continuously to be more profitable for those few elite.
@@TamasLukacs-ltommie I honestly believe that most doctors are so uneducated when it comes to nutrition and the dangers of taking pharmaceuticals are totally avoided I mean I think the American medical system is b*******
Well in 2021 the thinking has changed. The RDA of vitamin D is actually way too low...We really need 60-80 Vitamin D to be optimally heath. Since most people are deficient in D, taking 10,000IU per day for some time is not an unreasonable undertaking. - Careful as this video is outdated to some degree in terms of some supplementation discussed.
Not sure how you calculate it, but here in Europe, the recommendation has been that vitamin D should be around 50-100. In 2018 I think it was, they acknowledged that our immune system won’t kick in, when the number is below 80. So the new recommendations are that vitamin D should be in the range between 100-150.
Do they calculate it the same way where you are? Cause in that case, then 60 is way too low. But this is probably like with the diabetes numbers. They’re calculated differently in the US and Europe.
@@me77ki I'm in Canada. I've been reading that optimal health is achieved between 60-80... Perhaps there is more research I am unaware of. Or the numbering system is different here... Either way, this video is outdated and needs current examination by the viewer.
Magnesium was left out in this discussion. As an MD , Mayo Clinic trained, triple boarded, that runs a Laboraory I was disappointed. Calcium, vitamin D and gut health are so impacted by magnesium. Most patients are magnesium deficient due to our depleted soils. I also found the D recommendations way too low, especially in northern tier states. He left out the correlation of low D , depression and suicide correlations. Ok lecture, but “information deficient”.
Macular degeneration, he left out lutein. Thanks.
ryan cole Thank you, magnesium helps with Charlie horses (leg cramps) right? I soak in Epsom salt to get relief. Why are so many people experiencing more Charlie horses? Is the magnesium level that low?
Kidney cure
Also he mentioned (in effect) that there’s no benefit from D3 ... “if you happen to be on STATTINS” ... WTF
Yes, this lecture was information deficiency!!! Magnesium is so important! And gut microbiome too!!
Thanks for discussing magnesium, I didn’t know this. Should people take magnesium supplements as well? Maybe he can add it to the next lecture.
In general a good presentation. Living in a 6months winter city, I take 4000IU of D. Not sure why he didn't talk about the importance of K2 because it prevents vit D side effects. Also, many studies have associated Covid mortality with Vit D deficiency. I also take B complex just in case and additional B6 (for hair). I've got to say we need to be a little suspicious of some studies encouraging this or that supplement because there's a huge supplement industry at stake. I take nuts regularly (pistachios, walnut, almond), seeds (flax, pumpkin, chia) various vegetables, some fruit, egg, fish now and then. I am worried a bit about mineral intake particularly the micro ones. Exercise. Fast (a bit). Mostly try to reduce the big killer: stress! 😊
Good point . Stress
So, watching this 7 years later, the recommended dose is now 2,000IU instead of 6-800IU of Vitamin D. That's a big change.
Did I misunderstand? I believe he said it was 800 to 1200 depending on age and medical conditions ( if any). I don't recall any numbers you mentioned.
These sorts of studies are very variable. Following a group for 10 years assumes that everything else is EXACTLY the same for each individual. But, each person is very different. Diet, Drinking, Sloth, obesity... People are, to some extent, unique. Long-term studies are ok at estimates, but they can never compare equals. No group of 10,000 people are EXACTLY the same. The best judge of efficacy is how our bodies benefit from supplementation - Sero (blood levels) of the supplement and how that supplement's absence relates to illness.
Maybe something sometime
When it goes thru a study that a certain vitamin is less helpful than placebo, then should be very specific what form, amount and how often vitamin was given. Have read in vitamin E study , a synthetic form was used . WOnder what form of folate used, since many of population have trouble with the man made form that is put into most flours, breads, noodles.
Skip to 01:16:00 for the summary.
TLDR; go vegan.
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Thank you!
Thank you so much! It can be tough to listen to more than 1 hour of an info exchange.
Over the last two years there has been good studies regarding the benefits of high quality Vitamins. Statin drugs have proven to be very dangerous. I am an 80 year old and in excellent health and take all my vitamins every day and feel great. More Doctors should have education in nutrition vr drugs which kills thousands each year, a proven fact.
As with whole foods, the Q@UALITY of the supplements is key. It is pretty well known that many of the multi-vitamins sold in supermarkets, drug stores, etc are not high quality, and are likely to be nearly useless.
I couldn't agree more!
A good diet is key and avoid all doctors. Most are poorly informed due to scholarship awards from Drug Companies, causing misplaced loyalty
Well said..i agree
Agreed.
What about creatine
This was a excellent, well supported factual presentation video. I feel sorry for all the individuals who felt the need to post illogical and ad hominem attacks. Except in extenuating circumstances, you don't need to supplement your diet - the facts are clear. But, capitalism and denial are hard things to combat. If they make you feel better, so be it. Its good for the economy, at least.
Watching this I would like to point out one thing in respect to what has been said at about 8 minute of this video: do we need supplements to prevent these diseases? This is called an adequate nutrition. However, adequate nutrition is not the same as optimal nutrition. Eating just enough to prevent some symptoms of defficiency may not be sufficient, because we still do not know all roles of micronutrients to the full extent, such as vitamin D has more roles in the body than to prevent rickets. Not having rickets does not mean that we have enough vitamin D for OPTIMAL health. I am going to watch further to see whether they will mention this aspect.
/I am going to watch further to see .../
All this and you haven't watched half video?????
I watched it all and it doesn't get better.
wth? no offence, you must have attention deficit disorder. I saw this video a couple of hours ago and clearly remember a shit load of info they are giving about it.
'Optimal nutrition': the catch phrase of the supplement industry.
Your natural food has everything you will ever need. Taking vitamin pills puts a burden on the liver, that may be why it increases mortality. I used to take super multi vitamins, then quit for 10 yrs, and my running performance actually improved and I feel better than ever (and saving money). America is addicted to pills.
This is shameful. I am here because prescription medications gave me kidney disease and now I have developed autoimmune issues. My diet has been healthy since birth, raised on whole foods, vegetarian diet and now I eat fish. I've always been extremely fit. I look 15 years younger than my age, I have worked diligently to keep my health in great shape, yet here I am. Unfortunately I started having massive pain with my periods, took 30 years to have a gyno finally believe the severity of my pain. I was over prescribed NSAIDS. Now I'm attempting to reverse all the damage and manage my pain with vitamins, herbs and other supplements. I've already reversed from stage 3 to stage 2 CKD. I'm taking up to 8000 IU vitamin D, I am dark skinned, so even with those high levels and living in Florida w/plenty of time in sun, my level is 43. Clearly not even close to dangerous. It's good, but I'm trying to get to 50, especially with the autoimmunity, I'm going to have to increase my dose. Combined with increased vitamin D levels (they used to be in the teens!), I also take oregano oil on the rare time I feel off, during flu season, and now w/covid going around, haven't gotten sick in over 3 years. This guy clearly works for pharma and has no desire in helping anyone live a healthy life.
omg! sometimes doctors are having a hard time!!! this person is basically poisoning herself, and there is no way you can tell her she is wrong, she is convinced she must take high dose of supplement but wait. 8000 UI VIt D (per day)???? This is insane. No need to listen anymore, you know this person brain is fryed. you can get away with 500 UI, with no sunlight and no fish (and she live in florida on top of that) and she dont say anything about calcium intake. you need a very small amount, basically take 1 pill, and cut a small piece each day of that same pill. in other words, take the smallest amount of calcium you can get, for example you can put your small calcium piece in a glass, disolve it in water, and take a sip troughout the day everyu once in a while. the slower you absorb calcium the better it is, but taking vit. D and not taking calcium is maybe same as buying a car and never go faster than walking speed with it, its almost useless. but ok, VIT D is always usefull, in a decent dose (again 8000 UI daily is severely toxic in the long therm) but if you take micro dose of calcium with 500 UI of vitamin D daily is going to be perfect, it will improve bone density, muscle streght (heart as well), lungs will also perform better in many ways, and it is increasing life expectancy, the longer you follow this in your life, the better increase of your life expectancy and overall health you will gain. In conclusion ,any supplement is dangerous, it is not candys. you must absorb it very very vey slowly and be very careful of what you take and why. otherwise its get highly toxic very quickly. You dont want that.
I reversed mine as well from 3rd stage to 2nd stage. I also got my Vitamin D to 80 n/m contrary to what the Shame Doctors may say if you take high doses with vitamin K2. But so I don't have feds knocking at my door let me read the disclaimer, " the information I just shared is for educational purposes only. Always check with your doctor or physician." 🙂
Omega 3 have a anti inflammatory effect in me If I don't take them I have joint pain. My knees swell more. if I eat walnuts hemp seeds, flax meals china seeds I don't experiences the effects of arthritis. I can workout seriously. Which for me lowering pain and swelling in my knee.joints
How do you take Omega 3 and how much because I have extremely bad pain in my knees?
Conclusion: Make sure your regular diet is loaded with plenty of vegetables of different colors, exercise regularly and spend regular time outdoors. Avoid refined sugars and drink lots of water. Oh, and follow your Doctor's recommendations.
My Doctor recommended vitamin supplements lol
Follow your doctors recommendations? Since when doctors have even miniscule education in nutrition and body's nutritional requirements
As a board certified clinical nutritionist in private practice for over 25 years and teaching nutrition and supplements to the public, medical profession and holistic dentist for over 15 years this is so misleading and inaccurate that it is worse than useless. I teach an 18 hour course in the use of nutritional supplement and Dr. Tice should take my course. He could even take on on line. Not recommended for anyone unless you are trying to gain a great deal of mostly incorrect information
If you don’t have the means to buy the rainbow, supplements are a good option. Not everyone can afford the rainbow.
@@letitiaroark6878 the rainbow?
The fact that you are certified means nothing to me. You haven't mention even one of the alleged misinformation. Speak facts not your credentials, im done with all these clinical nutritionists and dietitians feeding anti nutritional food (sugar) in long term care homes in canada.
Funny how he says we should get our vitamins and minerals from food, but to him the cost of organic food is not worth it, even though organic food is often higher in vitamins and minerals. He says the Dietary supplements Act of 1994 (DSHEA) prevented the FDA from regulating supplements. That's totally false of course. That law was necessary to prevent the industry captured FDA from banning safe supplements merely because they competed with pharmaceutical patent medicine sold by large corporations. People were fed up with that, and that law stopped it.
Organic only means no pesticides, if the minerals aren't there in the dirt, they aren't there and not in the plant.
Organic doesnt mean anything. It is !absolutely not regulated! at all and nothing else but a label anyone can install at will. SAfe supplements? My god this guy is not in contact with reality. XD !!!!! Probably a supplement manufacturer. and a organic food seller.... Crook
Many controled studieses compared vitamins and minerals of organic and conventional fruits and vegies. They hardly find any difference, this debunk is important to not miskead people into thinking organic means "so nutritious i can eat less".
These studies proved that organic are indeed free of pesicides unlike conventionals... ecologicaly speaking it is highly beneficial to birds and insects whose populations are colapsing.
This Video presentation was from 2013 and as far as I can see it, it is outdated, since it does not mention the role of Vitramin K2! For this is a real game changer as far as the use of Vitamin D3 goes! As far as I have read, Vitamin D3 creates a Protien! This Protein needs Vitmain K2 to enable it to take Calcium and plug it into the bones! Since D3 and K2 go together, this Vitamin D3 study here should be re-evaluated in a new study, showing both Vitamin D3 together with K2!
@@survivormary1126 - "Vitamins daily are dangerous but taking tums, Aspirin, Paracetemol, Codeine, PPI's, Flouride and Statins are fine as they can do no harm" - A Doctor
It's a complete joke that these Doctors would try to judge an huge group of specific items all at once- grouping 1000's of items under the term "supplements', and then moving in for the judgement. It's a fact that the pharmaceutical industry is in competition with the supplement industry, and the pharmaceutical industry pays for the schools the doctors go to. Any attempt to take care of your own problems is going to be denigrated by the medical industry. There has been a big effort to have supplements controlled and regulated by the FDA. They want that profit.
As most doctors, this one is 20 years behind the curve.
Igaluit Stuart ... sorry, people knew more in the Biblical Times About Health. I’m 76, no medications, still working. I take vitamins-good grade of vitamins, no vaccinations that kill, healed my chronic sinusitis with food avoiding the surgery doctor wanted me to have. Since when are nurses healthy? Most way overweight-
@@leerockwell2027That's true. And yes, many nurses are overweight.
@@igaluitchannel6644 and smoke and do not rest/sleep as needed, and take lots of meds for various reasons, not all... but many.
@@leerockwell2027 What brand of vitamins do you take?
@@Goodtimes523 Great.
28:22 - Folic acid is not the same as folate. Folic acid is not efficiently converted to folate in the body, especially in certain people. Most supplements contain folic acid, not folate.
I need a quick summarized version of this for my ADHD 😄
Just lies.
Mega doses of vitamins is beneficial to our health & can cure many ailments.
Skip this presentation. Sometimes correct, sometimes outdated, sometimes completely wrong.
With Calcium there is a lot in the area I live which in turn furrs up the pipework and boilers so what does it do for our arteries. Water supplies are different in different areas in the UK but also in the rest of the world, in fact some areas are adding extra fluoride but not what I have heard of is the best kind of fluoride. It must make a difference regarding vitamins due to what the water contains as even plants have to have water to survive.
Distilled water drink only
All this information provided from an MD? I took the time to watch the whole video so I might learn something and you can clearly see many people in the audience walked out. The Dr's comments are based upon opinion and not that of the University of California, PhD or a board certified nutritionist.
They are based on peer reviewed, randomised controlled clinical trials . Perhaps this is what your beliefs should be based on, evidence, not repeated opinion
My Healthobs that’s true, however, these RCTs/studies were specifically selected. He left out many, many pieces of significant data that’s relevant. That’s why many people are upset, particularly those who also know the research literature.
This was not a fair evaluation of the data
Question- are these supplements factory made? Beta carotene is only one of several carotnes, Vit C is more than as or if acid- it naturally occurs with various bioflavonoids, and Vit E is more than the normally consumed dltocopherol- there are several tocopherols and triocenols in the Vit E complex. All supplements I am aware of and likely used in these studies use only one factor in the complex, which may be the why of the detrimental effects. I would like to see availability of supplements of complete vitamin complexes and studies based on these.
you ask if supplement are factory made??? XD ?? what? you think maybe they are home made??? Did you ever eard of, natural products ? Vitamin arent so different. From the "myth" perspective. XD !!! they are "some" products people are making money with. Its not baked by science at all. And when they are finaly testing it AFTER people start massivlely believing it and buying it, ( XD !!!! ) tests results show people are actually dying from it more than anything else...(omg OMG XD !!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!.XD you going to serve as subject for your experimental new "vitamin" you are proposing , all right? XD dude.... i mean com on, how many corpse you need before you understand. Vitamin themselves are some kind of..... old grandma knowledge. Just like they said Radium was a vitamin and cigaretes and methamphetamine was a medication, and so on and so forth, the list go on and on. XD ... ITs was in fact "open sky" , ongoing, self financed experiments, nothing less. True vitamins are synthetised or extracted by or from our food/gut microbiome. (like K vitamin, wich is a real vitamin) for the most part. it is a very complex cycle and it differ from person to person. Doing a real and effective "vitamin" industry would be costly, dangerous, and especially extremely diverse and complex. Custumers would never follow along to determine which type they need and ending up improving their health !!! XD, as it depend on so many factors, like sex, age, gut flora composition, health condition, lifestyle, what they normally eat... dont trust anything out there!!!
BTW i have a question for you. Do you believe natural product....are actually natyural? XD hahahahahah. or organic? are actually wwhat they say they are, or biologic? These products arent regulated, and even the definition of what they ar e will change fromm one producer to another. and they will fail rigorous test and even sometime be contaminated with bacterias or be worst than the "normal" products. Theses are coming from GMO's era, trans fat era, all the way back when you had fake or tainted milk, bread, flour, sugar, it use to be fake or contain heavy metal, contaminated with dangerous bacterias, or straight up poison. 150 to 200 years ago. it was hard times. to buy bread or milk !!!! It was deadly. the real cocktail of death. Bio, organic, natural or most of what they say are healthy products, are some kind of "modern" same lies, they are simply less lethal. they are a way to make money.
Been taking Vit E for many years ( 50 plus ) 1000 I U per day , plus 3 tablespoons of Omega 3 ,,am away past retirement age , and very fit . Guess I’ll keep enjoying life for years to come , don’t take any medication either .
What brand Omega 3 do you take? You say that you are taking spoon full but most of Omega 3 comes in capsules.
You're already taking "medication", but in the form of vitamins. Was your diet junk?
do contrary and you do fine
My understanding is that our goal should be to reach for Vit D levels of 30mg/ml as minimum- many people sit behind doors, at office or at home, do not go outdoors unless early morning or late afternoon when production of Vit D is not effective - and if they happen to go under the sun, they apply sun screen, which will reduce the efficiency of Vit D production by >90%. I believe Vit D supplementation is benefitial to everyone.
With regards to Omega3s, if they had no benefits at all, I believe balancing Omega6 in our body should be something to go for. what do you think?
That's exactly what the doctor said. If you're going to supplement vitamin D, just take it with calcium.
when body have proper amount of Vit D.(i recomend 500UI a day of Vit D max and dont take VIT D supplement if you get it from natural sources like mushrooms or sunlight or whatever else) you take the smallest possible amount of calcium, maybe 1/10 of a supplement pill each day, disolved in a glass of water, you sip througout the day, dont take any 1 hour before or after eating (you may already have calcium in what you eat), calcium is complicated, but surely a bad thing when you absorb 2 much 2 quickly. but it worth it. not many people know about how special is calcium in the body. for bone , hearth, muscle, lungs. they will all improve as long as you dont take too much. you must go very very very slowly, otherwise it will have oposite effect. so for most of people.... calcium will not be a good idea at all.... unless they can handle to take micro dose of it, sip it throug the day with lots of water. dont take it before /after eating. consider calcium a secret super power. but it become quickly toxic.... faster than you think it may. body have evolved to hold on to the same calcium. it got is own cycle in our body, each time you contract a muscle, each time you breathe, each time you hearty beat, its like a hydrolic fluid in our muscles, and the musle itself is the pump. its true!! but calcium have other functions, it regulate stuff and many other things. and our body capacity to integrate new calcium is extremely slow. system will be overdosing quickly. but its a sure process to stimulate all the body and become ever so stronger and live longer. and it as been proven many times. calcium is a real super power.
For over 5 decades almost every day I have gone for a walk outside and all I see is birds, squirrels, deer, rabbits, sometimes bees etc. all they do is eat all day long for free and run around and get exercise for free and because of this I have never seen anyone one of these creatures that was not in perfect health, weight and shape unless an accident happened to them. They only eat natural foods from the so called nutrient depleted soil and take no vitamins or supplements but seem to still be in perfect health, weight and shape. I learn from them for free and get outdoor exercise for free and free Vitamin D at the same time.
Where can I get better advice from? From Dr. Henry S Lodge? I am not sure if he is still around or what happened to him but he was an expert in diet and health with a specialty in Geriatrics.
The recommendation value for vitamins has remained the same for the past 40 to 50 years! Times has changed doc, wake up, the crops & foods most average Americans eat now have much less nutritional value now, therefore supplement value amount has increased & deemed necessary unless you grow your own, buy GMO free Whole Foods & grain free meat! Most don’t or can’t afford to consume them regularly but can afford a good one a day vitamin plus maybe a few supplements. Vitamin B complex, D3 & Vitamin C @ 1,000 mg a day is very, very good on a regular basis! Stay far away from flu vaccines, cholesterol drugs are totally nasty as are all statin drugs! Do your research throughly!!! Try viewing Dr. Berg on UA-cam!
What's GMO got to do with this???
So Great knowledge
The best way to get Vit D is via sensible sun exposure. However, we have to consume enough fats, including cholesterol, so the synthesis can happen.
There is a feedback loop that prevents excess Vit D production in the skin. Darker skin pigment is not one of them. Melanin in the skin has other benefits for those living in areas with constant intense sunlight.
If we are at a certain latitude, higher and away from the equator, we lose our UVB rays for many months, Sun exposure is ineffective then. We lose our UVB rays September through May . And THEN there's this; older folks have less efficient skin conversion, people having their cholesterol sequestered abnormally cannot make the conversion, (statins). folks with sulfur deficiency can't make the conversion, (it has to become cholesterol sulfate). and then Dr Sarfraz Zaidi wrote The Power of Vitamin D, he's an endocrinologist in Ventura, sunny place, took to testing his patients routinely for vitamn D levels. He had ONE patient with optimal levels. She was a lifeguard, in a swimsuit 5 days a week, 5 hours a day. His other patients averaged out to needing 10,000 IU a day.
Pretty tough criteria. I am not sure all conventional medical treatments meet the requirement of preventing death over the lifespan. Many treatments provide relief and minimize complications but death still occurs in the end. We also must remember the mechanisms of actions of vitamins/minerals which make overall body functions better. I believe vitamins/minerals, nutraceuticals do benefit the health and the right end point is not being assessed.
We all have to die a day even if we take vitamins supplements!😂
I’ve been taking vitamins for a few months and I can see the difference. My health over all is getting better. My skin my hair my nails are so much better. TAKE VITAMINS GUYS.
I agree...A thought came to mind, why do doctors push pregnant women to take prenatal, other than that they never really advise to take?..So, it's very important to help produce a whole nother human, but not sustain the health/ life of 1 human?..
Many ethical, non-big pharma doctors also will give/ advise vitamins and supplements Vit B12, Vitamin A, Vitamin D3 especially, iron supplements quite often..... L-tryptophan is better for mood, stress and pain, help with sleep --- than any dangerous, expensive prescription drugs... hair loss to stress... large doses of biotin can reverse it....! (along with de-stress... walking , yoga, meditation , sleep!)
@@lasetlivingstin7752 from what i've seen, doctors do push for women to take prenatal supplements, e.g. folic acid, but if they're already deficient. i think it's its a common deficiency especially during pregnancy, so it seems to be a common recommendation at that time. but if you have enough folic acid stores, there wouldn't be much point in taking it
Maybe it was that your diet was mostly garbage??? Problem with westerners is they eat way too much shit.
@@robinsmith8846 Even "big pharma" docts will advise vitamins and supplements if deficiency is spotted.
Thank you for the FACTS. You did not mention vit k2 for increased calcium absorption. What are your thoughts on this? Thank you.
How do you control other factors in the nurses study when Vitamin E was not the only vitamin they took? Regarding beta carotene, my 7 year old likes carrots, but even if she eats a few carrots she tends to have constipation.
Ingenious move of big pharma! To name this 'Vitamins and supplements: AN EVIDENCE BASED APPROACH'. Brilliant. Not even mad. A little mad. But still, impressive work
Yes, ingenious, state that healthy diet means you get good nutrition that prevents diease. Shiiiil, shiiiil!
That was painful to watch... did he even discuss the importance of minerals?
People, people, people. It is all about balance and adaptation. We must not fear the foods we eat. Canned, microwaved, frozen, fresh, organic, salty, sweet, baked, roasted, fried, it is ok in balance. It will all be ok as long as our mindset is a healthy one. Our bodies will tell us what we need. If we crave it eat it. There must be something in it that we need. Also from my personal observations. Vitamin supplementation is extremely useful. Take it and if you feel better take it again untill you feel like you are no longer improving and reach homeostasis. That is what it is all about, equilibrium. Also with the fat soluble vitamins I have always preferred breaking the soft gels and rubbing the oil into my skin. It lets me see the effect faster, almost all cells have vitamin d and vitamin a receptors. Here is a recipe I found that has improved my skin health greatly. I take 1 1000 iu vitamin d3 softgel, one vitamin e 1000 unit softgel, and one cod liver oil softgel( or an omega-3 fish oil, i just prefer the cod) all broken directly on my skin and rubbed in gently. Makes my skin feels awesome and makes the hair just shiny and smooth. Just use your brain folks. If it helps YOU go for it, if you feel it is doing harm do not. Trying cannot be harmful.
The problem with this whole lecture is that you are only hearing what Dr. Tice is presenting. You are not able to see all of sample size data (control vs. study group) and hence, if this presentation is factored in, you must make decisions based only on the conclusion of the study. Take the CARET study (13:33) - "18,000 people followed" - How many took the supplements how many placebo? I don't know, I don't think he said. But what I (and you) remember is something like "Take beta-carotene and you might die!" Irresponsible conclusion at best! The graph seems to show an increase in cumulative mortality of 1.5% (at the most). Now assume that half of the 18,000 are the control and the other half are test group. If this is a direct comparison, and if 200 of the control group (not on the supplement) died from all causes, then 203 of those on the supplement wold have died. So... about 200 from each group. Chances are, it's a relative risk factor that is being presented. If so, and if we assume 6,500 died in the control group, that a risk of 72.22% of death in the control group. 72.22 x 1.015 (to increase the control number by 1.5%) is equal to 73.31% in the supplement group, so 6598 deaths. 6598 minus 6500 is 98. in one example, we are talking about 3 more deaths out of 9000 and in the other we have 97 deaths out of 9000. So you can see how not knowing all of the facts can change your view of the few facts you are given.
Also, this study centers around roughly 18,000 smokers, former smokers and people exposed to asbestos. No information about how many of each were present, total or in each group, or how those statistics correlate to the outcome of the study. And in the end, the conclusion is that based on this study, YOU, who may not smoke; or may not have been exposed to asbestos, and may not be between the ages of 45 and 74, and probably don't live in Seattle might die if you take antioxidants. Doesn't follow.
Bottom line, you have a choice to either read the study for yourself or accept the conclusion given by the presenter complete with whatever bias he may be motivated by. As to bias, I think he tips his hand when he speaks about cod liver oil and comes to the conclusion that cod liver oil has no effect because now we have statins. Absurd! So statins, with all of their side affects, are to be preferred over cod liver oil - a food with no known side affects? Preposterous! He totally sacrifices all of the other possible benefits of cod liver oil from joint health to neural function and replaces it with "No one who has a heart attack leaves the hospital without a prescription for statins". He irresponsibly ignores the fact that only 1 out of 13 people who have a heart attack outside of the hospital survive it!
I don't know... This looks like more manipulated information designed to get people in the medical system.
Well said!
Omega-3: No benefit. Seems pretty disinformative to say, there are definitely benefits from Omega-3 fatty acids.
Yes - the body needs Omega 3 fatty acids for proper brain development and function. Thankfully, with fish numbers dropping and contaminants in fish increasing (in kinds of contaminants and overall levels), 100% 'grassfed' meats and milk can provide all the Omega 3 we need. Omega 3 levels in pastured eggs are also helpful.
Dr. Paul Mason 'Saturated Fat is not Dangerous' ua-cam.com/video/NUY_SDhxf4k/v-deo.html
Note that no matter how much Omega 3 we ingest, if we are also consuming high amounts of Omega 6 fatty acids, it will 'out compete' the Omega 3, so keeping Omega 6 intake low is important. The fat of animals contains more than enough Omega 6 to meet human dietary needs, but the processed seed oils - deceptively sold as 'vegetable' oils - are sky high in Omega 6.
CabooseNor when this fellow says there's no benefit to make it 3 he is revealing who he work for which is the pharmaceutical industry
Especially for brain!
Joseph Solomon no, he’s just correctly evaluating the science.
Of course the big problem is quality. Bio-availability of the supplement. With Omega DHA this is really expensive (NKO) But the cheap product can only be a placebo. ... And the existence of a deficiency to cover a need: with DHA is everybody deficient, but with Vitamines? Depends on the diet.. and on the health of the intestines (malabsorption, a bit my problem). There are supplements bad synthesized, not absorbable or without content(!). Caution. Information
Dit is een erg gekleurd verhaal. In de meeste studies die hij aanhaalt, werd gebruik gemaakt van synthetische vitamines die volledig niet vergelijkbaar zijn met de natuurlijke. Als we al deze onderzoeken eens zouden doen met natuurlijke vitamines, blijft er weinig van dit verhaal over.
Can any antioxidant match the endogenous antioxidants in our cells?
Taking Vitamin D without vitamin K2, the uptake of Calcium will increase but it may deposit in the endothelium and kidneys and not in bone and teeth. This is out of date and should be reviewed. Statins have come into disrepute since 2013.
It's better to take vitamins than not because almost nobody consumes meals with full nutritional range. I have personally experienced that multivitamins help to keep off colds.
Dr. I love you and your presentation. Thank you so much! 🙏🍎🍏🐝🍋🥕🥒
As long as health is a business, we can not trust anybody. Even the so-called "scientific medical community" is conducted by the pharmaceutical industry. I recently found tgis statement (copy): "
I know a pharmaceutical manager of Germany who is responsible for development and maintenance of medical science networks of top experts in specific medical fields, that fit to the drug portfolio of his company. He also provides recruitment of future experts and told me "I exactly know what kind of people to select for such jobs." He had an education as a nurse and worked also as pharma rep before this managing job. To build up a new corrupt character as future scientific expert, he calls his already available advising professors in the USA or elsewhere and ask them to give him an invitation for a conference speech, a scientific job, a research project or what ever may be suitable, till he becomes the new king in his field .... for his company."
What about the relation between low levels of vitamin d and thyroid problems ?
Very informative lecture about multivitamins and supplements. I would point out that plant based vitamins are totally different than synthetic made supplements. Thanks!
The difference between a cellular biologist and a medical researcher. His own charts explained the "no difference" between 25 and 48 ng/mL, they are both worse than the optimum value of 35 ng/mL. And to say that a EPA/DHA supplement of 1g/ day showed no benefit ignores the harm of taking statins. Without statins, we see strong benefits. I cannot stand people pushing an agenda under the disguise of non-biased research. It's 2022 and we know a lot about what's going on inside cells and the effects of having sufficient mineral, vitamins, and micronutrients in enabling normal healthy cellular function. There is also no mention of genetic traits that prevent to creation of vitamin D3 and that prevent conversion of D2 to D3. Not a good source of how to eat healthy. Supplements can aid in many ways but they can't fix other issues by themselves. I give this presentation a C-. Need to try harder. Grass fed meats, Moroccan organic extra virgin olive oil, eggs are all healthy foods. The name killer is highly processed grains and sugar. Multivariable analysis is complex and can give misleading conclusions if working under the wrong conditions.
This was uploaded longtime back, would like to hear the new update
Statins for one, the new evidence is the opposite of info here.
Somebody needs to cross examine this fellow's evidence, please
Yeah I agree. Isn't Cardiovascular disease ranking higher, then stroke?
Keona girl isn’t strike part of cardiovascular disease?
@@Cyberbronco No, it's not
Kayce Crews Yes and no, to answer my own question. Most strokes are Ischemic strokes which fall into two categories: thrombosis and embolic. If you have coronary artery disease your risk for ischemic stroke is high for the same reasons. Both now are becoming recognized as symptoms of diabetes.
@@Cyberbronco I had two strokes, and I don't have coronary artery disease. Mine were hemorrhagic strokes caused by an AVM.
I love peoples logic.
Vitamins can help you grow a human in your body, but have NO effect on your own body.
Yeah they give you vitamins big enough for horses when you are pregnant...now this guy saying but for already grown humans, vitamins are useless?
Yes because you double you need of all vitamins if you grew a human in your body, some of them are more important. So you supplement them, because you don't get them from food in the quantity you need them. But after the first month of pregnancy your body don't need them supplemented any longer.
@@DarkRiek009 that's cute
What did they do, put these people on supplements and surveilled them till they died? Were their other habits recorded? Diet, lifestyle, genetics, vices, stressors? I personally find that none of the information presented here is viable or conclusive evidence that supplementation is harmful in any way.
Doc what can you say about the food that we are eating today? What quality by the way? Would you consider peanut butters, margarines, healthy that contained trans fatty acids? How about your meat in the United States of America? are they healthy? Are they full of antiobitics and recombinant bovine growth hormones? How about your fastfoods? How about your agriculture- as a health practitioner would you recommend organic foods?
The food industry is slowly poisoning the whole planet by this chemically dominated way of production (herbicides, pesticides, dessication - outright poisoning, processing - transfats and added sugar) and on this the medical industry and pharma are growing. No government no corporation gives a damn about people's health and health of the planet. The system is broken and I hope people will open their eyes and start taking responsibility for their health. The pandemics is a great lesson in corruption of governments, medical and pharma mafia and public health sycophant role to build up obscene wealth of financial elits of this world.
This guy is totally obsolete!!! Especially regarding Vitamin D!!! I take 10,000 iu a day (250mg) & it helps so much with depression & osteoporosis! I do not take any medications/ prescriptions & am almost 73 years old & am very active, grow my garden & feel great! I do take the other supplements I’ve mentioned below as well!
10,000 IU per day is a bit high but okay for someone that's old, particularly if they have dark skin. I don't recall the guy being against supplements if your diet cannot compensate for it.
3000iu 75mg per day is good long term for adults do a bit of research cheers
I would like to see a debate between Dr. Tice and Dr. Joel Wallach.
I know
Yevgenii Kisarauskas Wallach is a man. I thought he is a vet. and an MD.
@@yevgeniikisarauskas5085 Joel Wallach is a veterinary pathologist, He has done over 27,000 necropsies on 400 species and wrote a 2000 page book on it called Diseases of Exotic animals, Look it up, I can't find it cheaper than $2000. And I can't borrow it from a library. But it's there. He is also a comparative pathologist. He has done 3000 autopsies on humans. He did lot of research on selenium deficiency. He found cystic fibrosis was a selenium deficiency when he was working for NASA. He found selenium deficiency was an important factor in muscular deficiency, and Keshan's disease. He has probably got more experience under his belt in this whole field than any of my other favorite doctors. He became a Naturopathic doctor legal to deliver babies. He's still lecturing daily at 80 and does not appear to be slowing down. Also he's a "he" , not a "she". If you can't even get that right, You're the quack.
@@yevgeniikisarauskas5085 Bahahaha she's actually a He ;-))
@@yevgeniikisarauskas5085 troll alert . How many cents did they pay you to write rubbish?
Please let us know if cronic diabetic can take vitamins & supplements. What vitamins & supplements must they avoid.
Jesus, so many butthurt people in the comments. Whether this guy is right or wrong, at least he's looking at scientific evidence and randomized controlled trials, as opposed to simply believing rumors or authorities, like you do.
A long time ago foods have been viewed simply as calories and nutrients. But I think we're seeing more and more that this is not the full picture and it's important how these nutrients and calories are combined and consumed. For example, fiber is extremely important even though it's not digestible. Glycemic index is important. Nutrients may need to be in certain combinations to work properly (and other combinations may nullify their effects). All in all, whole foods and plants seem to be the healthiest things to eat and the best ways to get nutrients.
Most medecins are not interested on the health of their patients but just on their business.
So if vitamins and minerals are so bad why do we eat food? Why can’t we survive on air?
They want you to be eating their chemical cocktails. Real food doesn’t make enough money compared to popping the pills the drug companies and their shills push.
It's not about eating food. It's about taking vitamins as supplements. You need a amount of vitamins, but you don't need supplements.
And some supplements can harm you and some can help you in special situations.
Nice hit job, very professional
Can you please provide links to currently-reliable quality-validation and testing sites for supplements? [2022]
Linus Pauling took a quarter ounce of Vitamin C a day and lived to 93.
John Aiken. Otherwise Pauling would have died at what age?
What about the people who live to 100 and *don't* take megadoses of water-soluble (meaning you urinate away what you don't quickly use) vitamins?
RonJohn63 studies have shown as did Linus Pauling studies showed the larger the dose of vitamin C taken the more is absorbed.
Also this guy did zero commenting on the absolute importance of sufficient amounts of pure alkaline water (8.0 or higher) to adequately flush and cleanse toxins out of the body... generally half the body weight in ounces or 3 to 4 quarts per day...
@@richkennedy6372 what is "pure alkaline water"? Because I can make some pure alkaline water by mixing some baking soda into water and drinking it. Of course, the base will mix with stomach acid to form carbon dioxide and salt...
@@richkennedy6372 also... you didn't address my comment. Lots of people live beyond 93 without taking megadoses of ascorbic acid.
Needs updating - should be pulled. See www.nature.com/articles/srep26983 for one example. Pretty bad analysis, not well quantified, no controls, no note of other benefits of supplements.
Interesting. So I can forget about the multi vitamin.
Excellent work, Doctor!
who paid for these studies?
Cite all the listed studies here and one can do the very basic and tell you who funded them.
John bodwen
Chirophractor John bodwen
Sick man.
My dad was diagnosed with macular degeneration 10 years ago ("dry" in one eye) and immediately started taking "eye supplements" based on the AREDS study. 10 years later (82 yrs old) he still has vision in both eyes, still does engineering design on his computer with mild and "dry" macular degeneration in both eyes, and only uses glasses for magnification when reading. Since his diagnosis he hasn't seen an eye doctor one single time. His sister did not take supplements until late in the game and has to routinely have a large needle stuck in her eye and has lost sight in one eye completely and the other is now "wet". It could be a coincidence but not according to the AREDS study.
My conclusion is: Nobody knows exactly if multivitamins helps or not, because, it’s very difficult to run a study about this. To get to a more precise conclusion they should include a lot of others multifatorial points that if are excluded, turn the results completely inaccurate. For example: all of those people use to make exercise regularly? All of them use to sleep enough? All of them use to control the emotional stress in their lives? all of them, besides taking specific vitamins, avoid a lot of junk foods in their diets? All of them are exposed to harmful working conditions? And we could add a lot of other factors. If they could take a bunch of people that observe all of this issues and give them good multivitamins, THEN they would have a more accurate answer. And yet, they could take a people who don’t take multivitamins a have all of those issues fixed, to see if the multivitamins effect are worthwhile and if they live longer naturally. Did they do that? I don’t think so, and mainly because is hugely difficult to find those people. That’s my humble opinion.
when MD talk about nutrients its like a astrologist talk about astronomy!
It's so easy to spot someone who is paid off mmhmm
@noname707 none Why "hate to say it?" Western "medicine" is pure evil my friend. They destroyed my body as A CHILD for money. It's pure evil.
Low of exces of a coenzyme perturb the chain of methabolic proces ?
Great presentation. Summary: unless you are old and frail and female and need calcium/vitamin D to prevent osteoporosis, "you're better off spending the money on real food."
After I start to take 500 vitamin C for the last 3 years I never be at the bed sick with cold , I am 60 years old , nice try dadasass
That's anecdote, not science.
@@RonJohn63 Gathering "anecdotes" together and evaluating them using statistical methodology *is* science
@@aaronaarons3859 no, it's not, since anecdotes are just (possibly second and third hand) stories with no control of other variable factors.
@@RonJohn63 sometimes anecdote are spot on.
@@rafael55 reliable anecdotes are the *beginning* of science, not the end.
Looking at all the negative comments, all I can say is just because it works for you, does not mean it will work for the general population. Many got better because they changed their diet and lifestyle.
The first thing that needs to be pointed out is that most of the studies with a negative result, are conducted by MDs, or other medical industry workers, and they're published in medical industry trade journals. Everyone familiar with this issue knows that the medical industry regards health food, supplements, lifestyle interventions, etc., and other interventions based on biology and science, as competing industries. Sad, but it's pretty obvious that they'd rather have people die using astronomically expensive, ineffective medical industry pseudoscience, than get healthier using natural substances that come from real science. Why would someone accept studies done by workers in a competing industry at face value? The biggest joke is that medical industry trade journals (JAMA, Lancet, NEJM, and many others) make a pretense of having authors reveal conflicts of interest, but the glaring fact is that most MDs fail to disclose that they are medical industry workers. Should we take any of this seriously? It's obvious, if you look at the studies, that study design is often poor, sometimes astoundingly so, and the studies are usually designed without a real desire to get positive results.
"medical industry trade journals"
That's fine. In that case, just go with research done in countries where that is not an issue, I dunno, like Sweden maybe? Denmark? UK?
Very well said. Medical industry is dominated by pharma and its not in their joint interest to have well fed and healthy population.
Going back to school might help you.
He recommends getting vitamins from whole foods, but not eating meat, so how are we going to get Vitamin B12 from a natural source?
As far as I know he is correct on this, as the animals get their B12 only by supplementing them or producing it in their guts in combination with gut bacteria, the same way we humans can. I don`t think that meat is a source of B12 you can`t avoid to have.
Yes, a nice fruit. And Chlorella has 10xmore B12 than meat I just read today.
Thank you! Instead of Fish, there is algae as Chlorella, there from the fish have their Omega faty acids from. At least as far as I know. There are good oils as Linseed filled with enough Omega in a good combination.
@@peterstreitenberger4031 Try it and tell us how it works for you. This doctor, DOCTOR!!!! almost DIED from vitamin B12 deficiency. ua-cam.com/video/QqjyAeOLyKM/v-deo.html We have B12 liquid available in feed stores for our chickens because if they don't get bugs in their diets, they can DIE from B12 deficiency.
You can't, the most natural source of active B12 supplement are algae, and even then vegan individuals like Dr Greger advises against it. Just eat some meat/eggs if you're plant-based, you don't need a lot.
What is the best dosage?
There has often been the problem with calcium supplements and lead. How are calcium supplements purified and is lead somehow precipitated out? Sometimes dolomite is used as a natural supplement which might not me good.
People get almost no nutrient from even food marked as healthy choice anymore.
Dr. Jeffrey Tice: "Don't take pills that are useless."
UA-cam Comments: "Another big pharma shill!"
Yeah, all the paranoid conspiracy theorists are like boo bad pharma, yay multi million dollar supplement industry.
@@topdog91 - You can get most of them from diet though so someone can increase vitamins without spending a penny on supplements.
@@colinthomson5358 How can you eat that much of veggies? That's impossible. I saw studies about the vitamin content of today's veggies so it's not that promising. 20-90% less than before.
@@topdog91 lol, and the pharma industry is 10x more million probably. Your comment proves their propaganda is spot on.
@@TamasLukacs-ltommie I don't think somebody's opinion "proves" anything. Please learn about critical thinking, o paranoid one.
Interesting that he didn't cover Co-enzyme Q10 (unoxidised ubiquinol) or taking V K2 with D3 to prevent hypercalcemia.
And no mention of magnesium anywhere!
Of course not, he is a pharma cockroach
CoQ10 is actually the oxidized form of ubiquinol. Ubiquinol is the reduced form
Well what I do not like about Observational vs RCT is its self-reporting which can be an issue
The mentioned Vitamins are the most important to human beings all the vitamins are supportive
Someone PLEASE inform this MD that saying "um" a thousand times in less than and hour makes it impossible to take him seriously!
Eric Eubanks omg I hadn’t noticed until you mentioned it, now it’s all I can hear
This man is dangerous. He is talking on behalf of the industrial medical complex.
it was other things... the beta-carotene was working??? this guy as medical advice? RUN!!!!! In the pocket of big pharma. Despite his lame disclaimer.
This guy probably focus on death rate but forgot about life quality, though supplements may not help much with death rate but it helps a lot with health span. Do u want us to rely more on pharmacies drugs.
I have also read some studies about that issue. Some medicins assume that to take vitamins supplements don't help at all!
Oh & YES, please take magnesium Glycinate & or magnesium L-theronate (for brain clarity, focus & overall well being! PLEASE, look up & research these to types of magnesium! You will definitely be glad you did!
Statin commercial.
This video is so disappointing for medical students from UC. He should be questioning the RDA for there lack of understanding of vitamins. For lung and heart health its vitamin C. Why did he look at the audience every time he said no significate difference? I have noticed all the pharma paid doctors are just without logic. nothing he says is real science.
Looks like many people are upset at his message, but based on my own research, I believe him. Many times when I search the scientific literature for evidence and/or more info on the health benefits, dosages, etc. for specific supplements, I find very little convincing evidence. There is a positive study here and there, but in statistic-based science, you need more than just a couple. Generally speaking, the literature seems to show that eating a whole-food, plant-heavy diet is the way to go. I am always tempted into thinking supplementation may be an easy solution, but it always comes down to the more difficult challenge of having a healthy, varied, balance diet.
My conclusion: better to die than be seen by this dr in case of emergency! hahahah
This IS integrated misinformation.. I am sorry UCSF, I adore Lustig, but this person here, he doesn't even get close to the bio kinetics..
Look at the extensive section on Vit D and Calcium.. He doesn't cut it at all. The problem vits in general and D in specific have is bioavailability ...
We know for - 30 years !? That Vits are better assimilated if chelated.. So the Vit D plus chelation - linked to a mineral like Calcium- dramatically improves the bioavailability. In his extensive analysis he completely omits this GRAN (Generally Regarded As Known) fact, instead he beats on the overdosing of calcium in his studies cited.
Honestly, he should be asked to step down. Superficial pseudo doctor.. Doesn't even know / 'has difficulties with' EPA DEA... Com'on, monkey science !
Very true. Would any of us be around without food?
Hi, does vitamin E put some risk for people who have a risk of brain neurysm?
No conflicts of interest?? How many free trips to the Caribbean does he get per year for "conferences"? A total hack job.
If they paid me the kind of money they pay him, I would explain the problem we have with flying pigs in some African countries.
What? There's no flying pigs unless poachers are doing that!
What are flying pigs pls?
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