Holy hell, from the audio mix to the stat display to the "we'll do zero chips unless forced to but we'll finish it anyway cause it's fun" this is about as immediate an upgrade to this challenge as... Uh. Well, Battle Network 2 was to Battle Network 1. That's pretty fitting, huh?
Thank you! Couldn't have done it without the support and feedback from people like you. I hope to continue improving, especially as we come up on my favorite game in the series in BN3!
The flamethrower actually makes the Quickman fight easier. He's not only vulnerable when he attacks, but also when he's randomly zipping around the field before his attacks. If you hit him while he's zipping around, it also cancels the attack he was preparing to do. If you shoot your flamethrower across his field as he begins to move, the flames stay long enough that he will always end up running into them. He will practically never get a chance to attack.
After you get access to Undernet 5, zenny no longer matters. There are 3 mystery data there that all have a chance at containing 50000 zenny. And with how mystery data work in BN2, you can just save in front of the data and soft reset whenever you don't get what you want, so that's 150000 zenny for each trip to the Undernet. I don't remember when you actually get access to that though, since I haven't played through the main story recently, just the post game.
Huge thanks for the heads up here! Might have saved me some grinding towards the end of the game, but I am pretty sure that I was stuck to Undernet 3 during the Null&Void challenge which was the most difficult zenny grind. Very useful to note though, and I'm sure that the later games will likely have similar zenny drop shortcuts
@@creationcorporation6267not so much a mystery data glitch but in bn3 you can abuse the betting minigame by winning the first 3 rounds and losing the 4th. It makes tons of money an he won’t stop you from continuing like when you win all the rounds. Also theres the job board request with the money statue; between those 2. You wont need money in bn3.
at the very beginning of the game the GMDs can give 1000, 1500 or 2000 zenny if you are lucky EDIT: I would also have recommend biting the bullet and grinding out a Wood Guts Style when you ran into the Null&Voids, even without knowing your next one would be Wood to go with the Heat Guts Style, Wood Charge shot is the one with the greatest damage potential of any charge shot. The same also applies in BN3, Aqua Style charges fast and shoots a Shotgun chip, Elec Style stuns and shoots a Zap Ring, Heat you have seen, Wood shoots a multi hit attack 2 panels in front of you, each hit doing the damage of a charge shot. Really think you are underestimating it, thru this whole run.
@@maskedgamerjoker6148 Aqua styles are hard to use against elec enemies. I consistently got Team Styles due to my use of the navichips given by the Legacy Collection and Magnetman was hell to beat due to the fact my style was unable to be changed with the fact I was using the three extra slots for navichips, so I was stuck with AquaTeam unless I wanted to mess up my folder Edit: Should mention I just flat out before Gospel was at AquaTeam v3 which is atrocious, between 2 and 3 the only element I don't think I saw was Fire, bc I had ElecTeam in 3 for the whole thing and both AquaTeam v3 and WoodTeam on 2
For what it's worth, the wind effects in battles are caused by projectiles moving horizontally across the rows. In this game, they're quite hard to see, but they do have a visible outline. Also, those "mystery diamonds" have a proper name: "Mystery Data", with blue, green, and purple variants. Blue and Purple will always have the same reward the first time you pick them up (Purples need the Unlocker sub-chip) and Green will always have something random, based on the map they're placed in. Blues and Purples function like Greens after the first time you pick them up.
Thanks for the details! I actually always called them Mystery Diamonds as a kid, and the name kind of stuck because they look like diamonds, but I'll try my best to stick to the proper naming convention moving forward
So glad you're making these I love battle network so much and really look forward to online play for the MMBNLC coming in April,these are really entertaining to watch
I just watched your 2 challenge videos back to back and the up in quality is very noticeable, I hope you keep doing these videos. Also about the the padding backtracking fetch quests, I actually think it's a good topic of conversation to have and a video about it would be very interesting. Mostly it was a quirk of the times, since developers felt the game needed to have some arbitrary number of hours to make the game worth the price of buying it; That and the fact that GBA cartridges were very limited in space and these games tend to use every last bit of memory so to increase play time they kinda had to create some excuse to force you to back track thru already completed content and areas.
Much appreciated! It's just interesting considering it was such a core part of these games, and continues to be a major part of AAA open world games to this day. Still working on the video, but got a lot in store!
Video is great, keep up the good work if you plan on doing the entire battle network series. as for BN3 and beyond i think keeping the "no chips" is good as that means you'll be able to use the nevi customizer in the later games to make up for the buster, using things like shield and anti-damage (i don't remeber the damage value, but it might be needed for a certain barrier)
I'm no expert at the games (as you can see!), so I've been thinking about how to be creative about some of the obstacles that you're referring to. Unfortunately, anti-damage's navicust does 50 damage from what I understand, so it may not be the solution to the barrier that I think you're referring to!
If you want a strong counter, shield style reflect does 100 damage per reflect, but attacks like alpha's claws still break through it. Anti damage is the only one that counters everything with good timing. Another head's up for bn3, if you plan on using Buster Max, put on bug fix even if you don't plan on using chips...
I have such fond memories of playing through this game in particular. Looking forward to seeing you play through the other games! Didn't think 2 would be up so quickly!
It was actually a lot longer - it took me 15 minutes of real-time, played at 10x turbo speed, implying it would've taken 150 minutes of in-game time if I played at normal speed!
I haven't finished watching the first video yet, but I just wanted to quickly pop by this one to tell you that this is good shit and that you should keep doing what you're doing because I think it should go quite well for you my man, :)
Keep it up man. I loved the first video and this one was so well worth the wait. I love the battle network games so I'd love to see how you will tackle the following ones.
Great video, even though its only the second one your quality has already gone up and even your script/storytelling! Very good work! Just a note for future reference though, at 25:36 you say 'colored people', but most nowadays prefer 'people of color', putting the fact that they're people over the fact that they have different skin tones. No flak or hate at all, just something to keep in mind so you don't get any undue anger over something you probably didnt know. Again though, really great video, I'm so glad to see the battle network series get some love and I'm excited to see what you have coming next! :)
Really appreciate this! As a POC myself, I actually have that written in my script and I think I just had a blip when actually recording. This is super helpful, especially as I'd like to incorporate more "commentary" and thoughts in addition to just the narrative of the game and gameplay
I'm really glad you went to a true mega buster only challenge. I don't blame you for needing to use chips to progress, and I don't count those as much since one is a puzzle requiring PA's. Also needing all the V3 chips I would consider a meaningless task to progress to the actual fights. You made it through the story and took out every boss and enemy (not including those tower thingies) without chips so that's a win to me.
Very nicely done! The improvement over last video is definitely noticeable and it makes me excited to see how they keep improving. I look forward to seeing more videos
Wow, this was recommended to me when I was thinking of doing this challenge with Star Force ‘_’ Good video! Very encouraging and well detailed. I’m hooked for more to come!
Yeah, Lan won a trip to Netopia after the N1 Grand Prix. In the anime, he has his PET Stolen, and ends up netbattling Raoul. Btw, does Mrs. Millions' Navi even netbattle? Just sitting behind projectiles, like Kingman, ugh...
hey! i just wanted to say that your content is really fun and enjoyable. as an enormous fan of specifically mega man battle network, videos like this make me really happy and go a long way in reinvesting people into an amazing series of games, and you're very entertaining to watch as well! i really hope you plan to cover the entire series, and im curious to your thoughts on the upcoming legacy collection as well since that'll be out pretty soon anyway i know this was a very rambling comment but this was my childhood mega man series and holds a very very special place in my heart 💜
Thank you! I really appreciate it, and I also hope that others find the series through these videos. I've actually got a "Should You Buy the MMBN Legacy Collection?" video targeted to newcomers to the series that I'm working on, using math to figure out whether the game is for them!
Good job on this run ! It'd be absolutely crazy if anyone gets upset about basically having to do repeated frame perfects with that scripted random encounter, and the run was overall pretty amazing!
Just saw your BN1 video last week and enjoyed it a lot, and this one is definitely a big improvement! If you continue to keep doing these runs you might need to invest in a replacement controller tho......
This one was even better than the previous! I can't imagine how long it must have taken to make this vid. I found it really interesting to watch even as someone who has never played battle network. Some advice from my perspective, bc I haven't played this game before I don't fully appreciate how difficult it is to beat the game with only the mega buster. What would fights be like in a normal playthrough vs how they are now? I like that you explain why each battle is difficult but maybe one way you could make it more appealing to broader audience is to interlace with clips of what the normal items in the game are like. Kind of like "this is how easy this fight usually is". For the really tough fights you could also show how clips of yourself dying repeatedly or a clock in the corner showing how long a fight took. Another thing I've seen in a lot of videos is to spend a minute explaining the context behind the game, like "mbn2 came out in xyz on the Gameboy advance". Overall was really great!
to provide some of that context, one of the basic chips you start with is basically just a buster shot, except it does _30_ damage to the buster's 1 and can also damage whatever's in the panel directly behind what it hits. meaning that in any battle with at least two enemies, it can save a whopping 60 buster shots. plus, the initial shot can hit the goofball's shield and still damage the goofball itself because of the piercing effect, without any of the frame-perfect timing the buster requires and mind, this is one of the _weakest_ starting chips. you also start with stuff like a grenade that deals 50 damage to a panel a set distance away from megaman ( which is another way to bypass the goofball's shield, since the grenade will just fly over it ), a sword that can only hit directly in front of megaman but deals 80 damage, recovery chips that let you heal during battle, and the areagrab chips that caused this guy so much ire to let _you_ limit space in which enemies can move - and also combos well with the sword chip, as you can imagine. and that's just the chips you _start_ with. those flappy viruses? drop what's basically a higher damage version of the grenade chip that also cracks the panel it hits. beetanks drop grenades that hit in the same aoe as their attacks. swordies drop stronger swords that strike multiple panels and for elemental damage. spookies let you _become temporarily invulnerable to most attacks._ and the chips only get stronger from there, like the navichips you get from the boss navis - they're practically summons from final fantasy, complete with freezing the screen while the navi does their powerful, elaborate attack oh, and to boot, if you pick certain combinations of chips? they combine to become these attacks called program advances that are _much_ stronger than the sum of their parts. it is no exaggeration to say that chips are the actual primary combat mechanic in the series, with the buster not being much more than a backup weapon to help eke out a little bit more damage between custom screens or when you manage to use up all your chips
so happy to see this second game video. Just watched the first one a few days ago. Keep up the great work. this one was for sure a huge step forward. You did great.
I've only gotten 30 seconds in, and every single part of this video has been a massive upgrade to your previous one. Congrats, subbed, and well done taking critique as a desire to see you succeed.
Excellent. Video. That's all. It was just great. Nice explanations of your thoughts, story, and gameplay. Please, continue. I'd love to see what you show us next. :D
Hey, just wanted to say that I'm enjoying your videos so far, and I'm appreciating not only the challange, but your audio balancing/editing has improved a ton between this and your last video! Keep it up! I look forward to seeing what you do next!
Man do I love challenge runs. Keep up the good work man, these videos are super neat! Also, big improvement from the last one, and that one was pretty great too!
Only a small thing, but using the flamethrower while Quickman is moving gives a quite high chance of him running into it. Would have made the fight a tad easier than trying to hit him when he stops!
Nice video, displaying Megaman's stats was nice. I think you got lucky getting heat style, it's, imo, the best element to get, since the flamethrower has a high range (and from what I remember from BN3, you will defitly need either an aqua or a heat style for that)
Great video! And hey, heat guts style! I've only ever played BN3 (both versions) and that was the style I ended up with on my first play through! :D Edit: Also, getting through the main game and only then using chips makes total sense. You've already beaten the game at that point; everything after credits and the final boss is just gravy.
Thank you! HeatGuts was actually my first style playing BN3 the first time (my first BN game back in the day), I thought it was scripted to get it at the time
Heya, Corp! Like the previous vid, this one was a very fun watch, just as it was very interesting. As a massive BN fan, it's really nice to see the series getting more traction, as I truly do believe it deserves that. Now, with my BN fanboying aside, there's a few things I'd like to point out to you! Firstly, in every BN game (at least, I believe it's in every game, I'm not 100% sure, though I am 99%.), whenever you move in a fight, the cooldown on your Buster shots actually sort of resets, so you can immediately shoot again. While this is slower over spamming the B button against an enemy in the tile directly in front of you, I'm fairly sure it's faster in every other scenario to keep moving back and forward together with spamming B, so you can use the cooldown resetting trick! For example, this helps a ton in the FreezeMan fight! It's also really useful against bosses who move a lot, if you're also constantly moving to align with them, as at the same time you're dealing damage to them, you're also constantly on the move to dodge their attacks. Another thing, though this one pretty small, is I've just been wondering why you call Mystery Datas "Mystery Diamonds", don't get me wrong, it's not a big deal at all, it's just kinda something I've noticed, and got curious about. And finally, for something more specific to this game, QuickMan is actually vulnerable to attacks while he's zooming around just before attacking, so in the rematch, instead of tanking hits to land a shot while he attacked, you could actually fire a charged shot while he's moving, and usually he'll just waltz into it. Little nitpicks aside, though, I really enjoyed this video, just as I did the last one! The editing has DEFINITELY improved a lot, and I can't wait to see your next vid! One question, though, when you get to BN3 and later, do you plan on banning the Navi Customizer? Or only NCPs that directly affect chips/do damage? Because I can see AntiDamage and Reflect being absolute GODSENDS to this challenge. I'm assuming you won't fully ban it because otherwise you'd just have the buster being level 1 in every stat, but still, it's food for thought. Also, it's honestly so surreal to see Navis take this long to be deleted. At least just as raw gameplay without the constant interruption of the Custom screen, guess being used to quick kills just makes these sorts of challenges look weirder than they actually are, eh?
Thank you! Glad to hear you enjoyed it - the editing has definitely been a learning experience for me and took way, way longer than I would've liked haha. Absolutely, the cooldown resetting is a good trick and I should absolutely integrate it much more in my gameplay. Thanks for pointing that out! I actually always called the mystery data mystery diamonds as a kid because of their shape, and it was just a habit that I didn't lose haha. Makes sense on QuickMan - I didn't catch this on the original battle and when my strategy didn't work with the flamethrower, I didn't realize he'd have some additional vulnerability. Maybe this is something I would've figured out if I really needed the HP for the later fights! I'm not 100% sure how I'll use the Navi Customizer yet, to be honest. Most of the chips that you mention like AntiDamage are locked behind leveling up different styles like Shadow, as far as I know, and so I probably couldn't actually get during a no chip playthrough. One of the things that I've been floating are doing two runs for BN3 - playing Blue using the current strategy, and then playing White using the same rules of no battle chips but using BugStyle instead. Any thoughts on if that would be interesting?
@@creationcorporation6267 Yeah! I think a BugStyle run would make for a good video and challenge, it's definitely a very fun style to play around with, and I'm sure you could use it to figure out some really neat strats!
31:38 that silent kid for some reason reminds me of the guy with the dark form and powers from star force i think it was called. also who else in that game got rid of your friends from the menu thing and used all the dark shard things to give yourself the dark form?
not that it would really matter to how far you can make it in this run, but as a way to make the early game fights easier your buster shot cooldown resets every time you move, so if you move forward and back while shooting as fast as you can you can shoot at about double speed from being stationary.
Damn this was quick, I feel like styles might be a bit broken but it would be hard to try and finish MMBN 2 without styles for thus challenge only. I would be curious what you will do with MMBN 4 and 5
It was definitely a busy few weeks to try and get this out! Styles are definitely broken, but I'm going to try and mix it up more often by trying some fights without the style on
Amazing video. Great editing and commentary. Hopefully you got enough comments/advice to make your next run significantly less of a headache. Also, I highly recommend getting that rapid fire setting to be your default way to go when using rapid fire strats. Also, as Pokémon Challenges stated, we are here for the boss fights, not the grind. If you need money to buy power ups to make progress, do yourself and the viewers a favor and hack in money to purchase it.
Really appreciate the feedback! The comments have been nothing but helpful. Rapid fire really is a surprisingly effective strategy, but I want to figure out how to also mix things up for the sake of keeping things interesting in the videos haha
I love the Battle Network series. However, I only played the 3rd one. Back when I was playing my GBA, I had plenty of games. Never had any money though so I did miss out. I'm looking forward to the next one for sure. This series is a nice way to experience the games!
Love the video. BN3 guts style v Buster only will be your favorite I promise 😆 Wood actually has an absolute great charge shot for enemies within reach because it can lock them in place for a moment. It's amazing in the story bosses since most are stuck dead center.
If you do want the ultimate bass experience you may want to run mmbn6 buster only, because you will fight fast pacing bass 3 times that gets harder on each encounter. Anyway, love your video and the series so far. Keep up the good work 👍
I'm really excited for the upcoming Bass fights - so far, they've all been variations of the same original fight from BN1, so I'm looking forward to the major changes they made in the next several games!
@@creationcorporation6267 Yeah, also protoman become really hard in the later game especially on bn6 again. Just for suggestion tho, since your bn1 buster only run is played on its superior version, you might wanna do bn5 on double team rather than on its separated ver.
There’s definitely somebody who said this before, but the area you have to reach for the B license can be accessed from the square, there’s a teleported along with the one that takes you to den2
I just barely discovered these videos, but I'm looking forward to MMBN 3. I have a feeling that the next run will be impossible because of the Aura that Bass has, but I'm very much looking forward to the next video. This is a quality series and I'm glad you're making content. Keep up the great work! Once you finish everything up to MMBN 6 do you think you would go back to redo the first video with no battle chips and the two skipped Secret bosses?
Really appreciate the feedback! I'm also thinking about what can be done for the next Bass battle, since I did cheese the first one with the support chips. Absolutely - the plan is to redo the first run with no battle chips, and hopefully improve the video quality significantly from what's currently up!
Just a note that running is actually tied to how many upgrades you have (as you just learned) So even though a single mettaur should be easy to run from, since you don't have any upgrades you can't run. That changes once you get upgrades but I remember that being a quirk in this game. I think end game enemies you can't run from reliably but easier enemies are easier to run from.
Always love to see more battle network content and cannot wait for the surge come April. 3 without chips/buster only is gonna be a NIGHTMARE on a couple bosses thanks to being only able to have a single style and there being no powerups to get because of the navi customizer. I strongly suggest against a no chip run as there are certain chips that can force a style that might help. 3 white has ground style which can force the tiles to be a certain type at the start and blue has shadow style which just makes your charge shot invisible for like 2 seconds. You get ground style by using chips like metal stage a LOT. pray you get a wood ground style as that would basically make you immortal when combined with undershirt. Personally I would suggest trying to just make a folder to restrict the enemy field (you can literally panel lock them in BN3. This makes the Momquake PA a massacre. Momquake is 2x rock cube + godstone) and barring that hope you don't get an elec style. You'll also want to use a couple of codes in advance to make plantman's dungeon easier as you gotta literally burn fire type chips to solve the dungeon so you gotta have an obscene number of them and the drops will leave you needing a new controller. Also try to grind every enemy in the start of the game for as many bug frags (earned by counter hitting them) as possible as this lets access the most busted chips VERY early using the bug trader on hades isle (gargoyle statue, jack in and keep going and you'll find the warp to the undernet.) in blue version this nets you for 200 frags the infinite mulligan known as FOLDERBACK. This wild giga chip recycles your ENTIRE folder (including itself) thus allowing you to NEVER run out of chips. Hope this helps.
This is definitely helpful - I agree that the additional styles and navicust provide a lot of options. I'm not 100% sure how I'd handle the run coming up, but the feedback is super helpful. I think that I will at first try to go without chips as a test run, and see how far I can get/how interesting it is before moving into using any chips!
@@creationcorporation6267 I did forget one feature of ground style that may heavily influence the version choice. If you level it enough you can earn a program called "set holy." This program forces your side of the field to start with 9 holy panels that halve damage. If you get a guts style you'll be able to use the break series of programs such as break charge and break shot. These are INSANELY powerful programs that are also featured in the hub batch program you get on a secret path near the bug frag trader in the final post game area (locked behind 20 CONSECUTIVE virus battles, chips and PRISM absolutely required.) The number trader is present starting here, enter all of the codes as over half of the spin programs are contained in it along with sub chips and the most powerful PA in the game, master style (salamander + fountain + bolt + gaia blade) which is a wild coded PA. Aqua styles have the fastest charging shot that can penetrate with bubble shot To take advantage of life I suggest once you get the customizer to go for bug style first as you get bug stop the second it levels up and once it maxes out you get dark license (giga chip free usage on 60% of the chips) This style gives you a random bug at the start of battle, sometimes multiple, but it can make your life a lot easier since it has a large range of positive bugs like 1 turn invincibility or a huge barrier. It's worth noting BN3 has the highest giga chip count of all games as every single navi has a V5 chip which is giga class (can only be obtained after getting team style and fulfilling other requirements) The side missions hold VERY important items as you get the final navicust expansion and the WWW ID by doing them along with if you do it this way, either 100k or 300k zenny (look up a guide for this mission or you will NOT get the money reward, it's listed on gamefaqs) BN3 has one scripted loss that you cannot avoid (Bass first encounter) Flashman can be done no issue but it'll take a while since you'll only do 1 damage and he has 300 hp, gutsman is gutsman so nothing new there, beastman doesn't sit still but for a few frames, bubbleman never leaves the back row, desertman falls apart art every shot UNLESS you hit him with a water attack so hope for an aqua style in this case and can be done but the entire stage is sand and slows mobility, kingman is a combo of shadowman and thunderman so keep moving and popping off if possible, VERSION EXCLUSIVE FIGHT mistman (white) can be done with the buster but won't be easy bowlman (blue) buster is possible but you'll want to learn his pattern as his attacks pop off a second time if you hit them with any attack both can be refought in the netbattle comp in the tv station copyman (gutsman again. nothing new) flame man has effect candles that might drive you mental, drillman can ONLY be damaged by penetrating attacks as his hit box during his attacks is coded exactly the same as the puffball's. Bass has a 150hp barrier that somehow swords don't work on but drops it for a SINGLE attack and is the first part of the final boss, final boss itself can be done buster only but you need a LOT of hp (hp+1000 extra code. SIDE EFFECT: all panels crossed over become poison panels and cannot be negated by float shoes) and bustermax, strongly suggest using a turbo button if possible. Darkman can be done with minimal issue but he cycles elements, yamatoman will make you sweat as he can reflect shots back at you doing MUCH more damage, has an attack called backup that acts like gateman's army except they also feature panel grab and they can all but panel lock you making all of his attacks hit. Serenade can only be hit during certain movements without panel locking him. OPTIONAL BOSSES metalman buster possible, gives quick access to yoka and beach area punk buster possible, no chip drop in usa/european versions of the game (money farm)
I remember being a kid and being stuck on quickman for ages. I beat him finally on a trip to target with my step mom and I was in pure ecstasy mode and she was like “that’s great bud! *awkward smile*” good times.
Toadman is only needed for a shortcut as you can access that area of the net from one of the square entrance warp points and you can save reset one green mystery data for getting 2k zennies early on
I know that I will definitely be doing this challenge for the Legacy Collection, although I think for my sanity, I'll add a stipulation that if I can beat a virus setup once with buster, I'll use chips for any repeat encounters with the same setup. Chip grinding is gonna be horrid otherwise
Enjoying this series so far. Are you going to use Souls in 4/5? They *technically* require chips but I don’t feel that it really counts as using them. Might be worth making a poll
Thanks for the support! My plan right now is to play both games with two slightly different challenges - one with the vanilla "no chips, but allow souls/forms/etc" as normal, and perhaps a slightly different challenge for the second. For BN3, I'm working on a normal no chip run and a no chip and bugstyle run, but am very open to suggestions for BN4!
I wish they did more to make the backtracking interesting, I've quite enjoyed some of the backtracking in metroidvanias. Also, what I like most about challenge runs like this is that it shows basically any folder is very viable. I'd probably only ever do buster-only every type of encounter once, and probably only in bn1, but I love all the takeaways. It's similar with speedrunning, I HATE being in a hurry, but it really puts parts of the game to the test. Saving a few millisec is not worth applying to my own gameplay, but plenty of stuff is.
the Megabuster firing faster the further to the right you are feels like more than just a risk/reward. it might also be a partial emulation of getting right up in the opponen'ts face in classic games
i've never been certain about the exact mechanics behind the buster's attack speed, but i do know two things: first, despite the lack of visuals, the buster shot is actually a projectile with a travel time, and second, you can shoot again a lot faster after the projectile despawns that's the secret behind why attacking from the front row is faster than attacking from the back row - and why attacking an enemy on the front row is faster than attacking one on the back row. it's also why your attack speed is at its slowest when hitting nothing from the back row, because that means the projectile has the most distance to cover before despawning via leaving the play area now, how that all interacts with the rapid stat? i genuinely have no clue, it's always been a part of mmbn that's puzzled me
Honestly, fully agreed. The pellet having travel time is consistent with how the side-scrolling games all work, which is a really cool nod! From what I've read, the rapid stat allows you to shoot one more pellet per second from the leftmost panel, but I haven't actually seen a good comparison or breakdown of how this works.
My best explanation on why the fetch quest is a thing is to actually give more exploring to the internet. However I do agree its really infuriating rather than fun.
Good luck on future runs! Also you can't do a harder Bass, HeatGuts is the only style capable of reaching 100 damage, the needed amount to drop his aura.
The legend himself?!? Thank you for sharing the videos on Goofball - I absolutely would've had no idea what to do if you didn't put those up. I hope you don't mind me showing and sharing your videos, because your stuff is great and absolutely deserves more recognition
@@creationcorporation6267 lol all good, thanks, you also gave me some motivation to do some stuff again cuz been awhile, plan to start doing stuff again soon as well cuz collection dropping
In the Castle Comp, if you got robbed by a bandit, you can actually retrieve all your stolen zenny back. Before you use the CyberKey to open the last gate, take a detour to a spot nearby which looks like a treasure chest platform, there you can get the mystery data which contains all your stolen zenny.
The number one biggest and most important update in MMBN2: The Default net doesn't all have the SAME FUCKING VISUAL DESIGN (And a bad one at that). Just the different net areas is so much better and this stuck for the rest of the series, obviously.
I hope you were using the special rapid fire attack of guts style, the footage was sped up, so i cant really be sure, but its buffed in bn3, so definitely try that. Also bn 4 5 and 6 have (official) mod cards that can change your buster to act as certain chips. Consider using those so you dont get softlocked the first time you run into a shadow style enemy.
The mod card idea is actually really brilliant - I hadn't heard of this before, but it would be a really interesting way of playing through one of the games. I had the idea of playing through both versions of each game going forward, with a slightly different challenge. Perhaps BN4 Blue Moon with Souls, and BN4 Red Sun with Mod Cards?
@@creationcorporation6267 mmbn4 really requires three runs to even reach the end game, im not sure you'll want to play it more than that. The last cycle is brutal as far as difficulty goes
Holy hell, from the audio mix to the stat display to the "we'll do zero chips unless forced to but we'll finish it anyway cause it's fun" this is about as immediate an upgrade to this challenge as...
Uh.
Well, Battle Network 2 was to Battle Network 1. That's pretty fitting, huh?
Thank you! Couldn't have done it without the support and feedback from people like you. I hope to continue improving, especially as we come up on my favorite game in the series in BN3!
@@creationcorporation6267 _Special Thanks_
*...and YOU!*
The flamethrower actually makes the Quickman fight easier. He's not only vulnerable when he attacks, but also when he's randomly zipping around the field before his attacks. If you hit him while he's zipping around, it also cancels the attack he was preparing to do. If you shoot your flamethrower across his field as he begins to move, the flames stay long enough that he will always end up running into them. He will practically never get a chance to attack.
After you get access to Undernet 5, zenny no longer matters. There are 3 mystery data there that all have a chance at containing 50000 zenny. And with how mystery data work in BN2, you can just save in front of the data and soft reset whenever you don't get what you want, so that's 150000 zenny for each trip to the Undernet. I don't remember when you actually get access to that though, since I haven't played through the main story recently, just the post game.
Huge thanks for the heads up here! Might have saved me some grinding towards the end of the game, but I am pretty sure that I was stuck to Undernet 3 during the Null&Void challenge which was the most difficult zenny grind. Very useful to note though, and I'm sure that the later games will likely have similar zenny drop shortcuts
I abused this so much as a kid lol
@@creationcorporation6267 i sure hope so. i dont remember there ever being one as useful as the bn2 one.
@@creationcorporation6267not so much a mystery data glitch but in bn3 you can abuse the betting minigame by winning the first 3 rounds and losing the 4th. It makes tons of money an he won’t stop you from continuing like when you win all the rounds. Also theres the job board request with the money statue; between those 2. You wont need money in bn3.
at the very beginning of the game the GMDs can give 1000, 1500 or 2000 zenny if you are lucky
EDIT: I would also have recommend biting the bullet and grinding out a Wood Guts Style when you ran into the Null&Voids, even without knowing your next one would be Wood to go with the Heat Guts Style, Wood Charge shot is the one with the greatest damage potential of any charge shot. The same also applies in BN3, Aqua Style charges fast and shoots a Shotgun chip, Elec Style stuns and shoots a Zap Ring, Heat you have seen, Wood shoots a multi hit attack 2 panels in front of you, each hit doing the damage of a charge shot. Really think you are underestimating it, thru this whole run.
Getting Heat Style was so clutch. Imagine getting Wood first with no area grabs?
It really would've been tough, and I probably would be forced to upgrade and depend on the pellets even more haha
@@creationcorporation6267Aqua would last a long way but makes Magnet and Thunder man battles difficult
@@maskedgamerjoker6148 Aqua styles are hard to use against elec enemies. I consistently got Team Styles due to my use of the navichips given by the Legacy Collection and Magnetman was hell to beat due to the fact my style was unable to be changed with the fact I was using the three extra slots for navichips, so I was stuck with AquaTeam unless I wanted to mess up my folder
Edit: Should mention I just flat out before Gospel was at AquaTeam v3 which is atrocious, between 2 and 3 the only element I don't think I saw was Fire, bc I had ElecTeam in 3 for the whole thing and both AquaTeam v3 and WoodTeam on 2
This man only has two videos and I've decided to subscribe lmao this is an incredible challenge
Massive improvement from your first video (not that it was bad). Proud of you man, keep it up
(It was bad)
For what it's worth, the wind effects in battles are caused by projectiles moving horizontally across the rows. In this game, they're quite hard to see, but they do have a visible outline. Also, those "mystery diamonds" have a proper name: "Mystery Data", with blue, green, and purple variants. Blue and Purple will always have the same reward the first time you pick them up (Purples need the Unlocker sub-chip) and Green will always have something random, based on the map they're placed in. Blues and Purples function like Greens after the first time you pick them up.
Thanks for the details! I actually always called them Mystery Diamonds as a kid, and the name kind of stuck because they look like diamonds, but I'll try my best to stick to the proper naming convention moving forward
So glad you're making these I love battle network so much and really look forward to online play for the MMBNLC coming in April,these are really entertaining to watch
As if FreezeMan scenario wasn't already tedious enough lmao
This is such vast vast improvement on what was an already great video!! I can't wait to see how BN3 goes!
I’m super down to see the continuation of this series. Everything has greatly improved from part 1 so great job.
I just watched your 2 challenge videos back to back and the up in quality is very noticeable, I hope you keep doing these videos.
Also about the the padding backtracking fetch quests, I actually think it's a good topic of conversation to have and a video about it would be very interesting. Mostly it was a quirk of the times, since developers felt the game needed to have some arbitrary number of hours to make the game worth the price of buying it; That and the fact that GBA cartridges were very limited in space and these games tend to use every last bit of memory so to increase play time they kinda had to create some excuse to force you to back track thru already completed content and areas.
Much appreciated! It's just interesting considering it was such a core part of these games, and continues to be a major part of AAA open world games to this day. Still working on the video, but got a lot in store!
Video is great, keep up the good work if you plan on doing the entire battle network series. as for BN3 and beyond i think keeping the "no chips" is good as that means you'll be able to use the nevi customizer in the later games to make up for the buster, using things like shield and anti-damage (i don't remeber the damage value, but it might be needed for a certain barrier)
I'm no expert at the games (as you can see!), so I've been thinking about how to be creative about some of the obstacles that you're referring to. Unfortunately, anti-damage's navicust does 50 damage from what I understand, so it may not be the solution to the barrier that I think you're referring to!
If you want a strong counter, shield style reflect does 100 damage per reflect, but attacks like alpha's claws still break through it. Anti damage is the only one that counters everything with good timing.
Another head's up for bn3, if you plan on using Buster Max, put on bug fix even if you don't plan on using chips...
I have such fond memories of playing through this game in particular. Looking forward to seeing you play through the other games! Didn't think 2 would be up so quickly!
Lmao 20:56 that delete time 💀
I was hoping you'd get heat guts, that was my first style when I played through these games initially
It was actually a lot longer - it took me 15 minutes of real-time, played at 10x turbo speed, implying it would've taken 150 minutes of in-game time if I played at normal speed!
I haven't finished watching the first video yet, but I just wanted to quickly pop by this one to tell you that this is good shit and that you should keep doing what you're doing because I think it should go quite well for you my man, :)
Really appreciate it! The positive feedback means a lot
Keep it up man. I loved the first video and this one was so well worth the wait. I love the battle network games so I'd love to see how you will tackle the following ones.
Great video, even though its only the second one your quality has already gone up and even your script/storytelling! Very good work!
Just a note for future reference though, at 25:36 you say 'colored people', but most nowadays prefer 'people of color', putting the fact that they're people over the fact that they have different skin tones. No flak or hate at all, just something to keep in mind so you don't get any undue anger over something you probably didnt know.
Again though, really great video, I'm so glad to see the battle network series get some love and I'm excited to see what you have coming next! :)
Really appreciate this! As a POC myself, I actually have that written in my script and I think I just had a blip when actually recording. This is super helpful, especially as I'd like to incorporate more "commentary" and thoughts in addition to just the narrative of the game and gameplay
@@creationcorporation6267 oh great!! I'm glad i could be helpful and i certainly look forward to more commentary as well 😊
im so glad i sub to your channel keep up the good work
Sick video dude, this was really great!
This game was so ahead of it's time, what a gem!
I'm really glad you went to a true mega buster only challenge. I don't blame you for needing to use chips to progress, and I don't count those as much since one is a puzzle requiring PA's. Also needing all the V3 chips I would consider a meaningless task to progress to the actual fights. You made it through the story and took out every boss and enemy (not including those tower thingies) without chips so that's a win to me.
Very nicely done! The improvement over last video is definitely noticeable and it makes me excited to see how they keep improving. I look forward to seeing more videos
At 22:22 there's a nintendo GameCube reference. Nice job, man! Keep it up!
Literally finished watching your bn1 video and you must have uploaded this one right in the middle of that! Hooray for instant gratification!!
Wow, this was recommended to me when I was thinking of doing this challenge with Star Force ‘_’
Good video! Very encouraging and well detailed. I’m hooked for more to come!
Yeah, Lan won a trip to Netopia after the N1 Grand Prix. In the anime, he has his PET Stolen, and ends up netbattling Raoul.
Btw, does Mrs. Millions' Navi even netbattle? Just sitting behind projectiles, like Kingman, ugh...
You're right, SnakeMan is basically just sitting there and hiding haha
Hey, thanks for keeping up with the challenges. This is kinda hyping the legacy collection ✌🏼👾
it is. cant wait for the legacy collection coming out.
hey! i just wanted to say that your content is really fun and enjoyable. as an enormous fan of specifically mega man battle network, videos like this make me really happy and go a long way in reinvesting people into an amazing series of games, and you're very entertaining to watch as well! i really hope you plan to cover the entire series, and im curious to your thoughts on the upcoming legacy collection as well since that'll be out pretty soon
anyway i know this was a very rambling comment but this was my childhood mega man series and holds a very very special place in my heart 💜
Thank you! I really appreciate it, and I also hope that others find the series through these videos.
I've actually got a "Should You Buy the MMBN Legacy Collection?" video targeted to newcomers to the series that I'm working on, using math to figure out whether the game is for them!
Fantastic video, I‘m looking forwards to the next
Good job on this run ! It'd be absolutely crazy if anyone gets upset about basically having to do repeated frame perfects with that scripted random encounter, and the run was overall pretty amazing!
Much appreciated! I really wanted to achieve the frame perfect Goofball kill, but it was taking so long and I really wasn't making any progress haha
Great video, looking forward to more. especially with LC coming in April
Just saw your BN1 video last week and enjoyed it a lot, and this one is definitely a big improvement! If you continue to keep doing these runs you might need to invest in a replacement controller tho......
This video was awesome! Thanks for showing some love to one of my favourite series :D
This one was even better than the previous! I can't imagine how long it must have taken to make this vid. I found it really interesting to watch even as someone who has never played battle network.
Some advice from my perspective, bc I haven't played this game before I don't fully appreciate how difficult it is to beat the game with only the mega buster. What would fights be like in a normal playthrough vs how they are now? I like that you explain why each battle is difficult but maybe one way you could make it more appealing to broader audience is to interlace with clips of what the normal items in the game are like. Kind of like "this is how easy this fight usually is". For the really tough fights you could also show how clips of yourself dying repeatedly or a clock in the corner showing how long a fight took.
Another thing I've seen in a lot of videos is to spend a minute explaining the context behind the game, like "mbn2 came out in xyz on the Gameboy advance".
Overall was really great!
to provide some of that context, one of the basic chips you start with is basically just a buster shot, except it does _30_ damage to the buster's 1 and can also damage whatever's in the panel directly behind what it hits. meaning that in any battle with at least two enemies, it can save a whopping 60 buster shots. plus, the initial shot can hit the goofball's shield and still damage the goofball itself because of the piercing effect, without any of the frame-perfect timing the buster requires
and mind, this is one of the _weakest_ starting chips. you also start with stuff like a grenade that deals 50 damage to a panel a set distance away from megaman ( which is another way to bypass the goofball's shield, since the grenade will just fly over it ), a sword that can only hit directly in front of megaman but deals 80 damage, recovery chips that let you heal during battle, and the areagrab chips that caused this guy so much ire to let _you_ limit space in which enemies can move - and also combos well with the sword chip, as you can imagine. and that's just the chips you _start_ with. those flappy viruses? drop what's basically a higher damage version of the grenade chip that also cracks the panel it hits. beetanks drop grenades that hit in the same aoe as their attacks. swordies drop stronger swords that strike multiple panels and for elemental damage. spookies let you _become temporarily invulnerable to most attacks._ and the chips only get stronger from there, like the navichips you get from the boss navis - they're practically summons from final fantasy, complete with freezing the screen while the navi does their powerful, elaborate attack
oh, and to boot, if you pick certain combinations of chips? they combine to become these attacks called program advances that are _much_ stronger than the sum of their parts. it is no exaggeration to say that chips are the actual primary combat mechanic in the series, with the buster not being much more than a backup weapon to help eke out a little bit more damage between custom screens or when you manage to use up all your chips
20:55 Is that the maximum time for deletion time cuz that's insane.
Can't wait for MMBN3, good job man!
It is! My battle lasted a lot longer, but it capped out at 9:59 haha
so happy to see this second game video. Just watched the first one a few days ago. Keep up the great work. this one was for sure a huge step forward. You did great.
Great video, man. Can't wait to see what else you try out!
Really appreciate the effort you put into upping the quality of your video! Keep it up
You got so lucky to get Wood Guts after Heat Guts. The two highest damage buster elements in the order they basically were needed.
the channel has 2 videos so far and theyre both Bangers
dang, what an amazing increase and quality from the first video. Good Work!
I've only gotten 30 seconds in, and every single part of this video has been a massive upgrade to your previous one. Congrats, subbed, and well done taking critique as a desire to see you succeed.
Thank you so much! Hopefully it's just going to keep going up from here!
Oh baby. We doing the whole series?
That's the plan!
Excellent. Video. That's all. It was just great. Nice explanations of your thoughts, story, and gameplay. Please, continue. I'd love to see what you show us next. :D
Thank you, really appreciate the kind words! There's more BN and other content on the way!
@@creationcorporation6267 YEAH!! I'll be here when it comes. :D
Hey, just wanted to say that I'm enjoying your videos so far, and I'm appreciating not only the challange, but your audio balancing/editing has improved a ton between this and your last video!
Keep it up! I look forward to seeing what you do next!
I love the battle network games and this was an AMAZING challenge. Great job and keep up the amazing work.
I felt a actual sense of relief when you got Heat Guts style. definitely helps with some battles.
Man do I love challenge runs. Keep up the good work man, these videos are super neat! Also, big improvement from the last one, and that one was pretty great too!
At this rate your BN4 video will have a Live2D Mega Man.EXE Vtuber narrating the whole thing lmao, amazing work!
Short answer: Yes, but doing so annihilates all enjoyment and fun from orbit.
That's why I did it, so hopefully no one else would ever have to haha
Awesome video, looking forward to the rest of the games!
Awesome work man. Watched the first & subbed, glad to see the series containing.
Only a small thing, but using the flamethrower while Quickman is moving gives a quite high chance of him running into it. Would have made the fight a tad easier than trying to hit him when he stops!
Thanks! I didn't realize this during the fight, but probably would've had to figure it out if I didn't have enough HP for the next fight
Man, I can't wait for the BN3 one already. Loving these videos. Keep them up!
Nice video, displaying Megaman's stats was nice. I think you got lucky getting heat style, it's, imo, the best element to get, since the flamethrower has a high range (and from what I remember from BN3, you will defitly need either an aqua or a heat style for that)
I didn't realize how lucky I was with HeatGuts until reading some of the comments, but Aqua also would've been pretty decent!
These videos are super good, you def deserve this and many more subs!
Great vid, can't wait for you to have the navi customizer at your disposal in 3. Also, don't forget about the Legendary Tomes secret zenny bonus in 3!
Good call! I've learned a lot about the zenny optimization from these comments. I wish I knew sooner, but better late than never!
Mad respect and great job on the dope content
Great video! And hey, heat guts style! I've only ever played BN3 (both versions) and that was the style I ended up with on my first play through! :D
Edit: Also, getting through the main game and only then using chips makes total sense. You've already beaten the game at that point; everything after credits and the final boss is just gravy.
Thank you! HeatGuts was actually my first style playing BN3 the first time (my first BN game back in the day), I thought it was scripted to get it at the time
Heya, Corp! Like the previous vid, this one was a very fun watch, just as it was very interesting. As a massive BN fan, it's really nice to see the series getting more traction, as I truly do believe it deserves that.
Now, with my BN fanboying aside, there's a few things I'd like to point out to you!
Firstly, in every BN game (at least, I believe it's in every game, I'm not 100% sure, though I am 99%.), whenever you move in a fight, the cooldown on your Buster shots actually sort of resets, so you can immediately shoot again. While this is slower over spamming the B button against an enemy in the tile directly in front of you, I'm fairly sure it's faster in every other scenario to keep moving back and forward together with spamming B, so you can use the cooldown resetting trick! For example, this helps a ton in the FreezeMan fight! It's also really useful against bosses who move a lot, if you're also constantly moving to align with them, as at the same time you're dealing damage to them, you're also constantly on the move to dodge their attacks.
Another thing, though this one pretty small, is I've just been wondering why you call Mystery Datas "Mystery Diamonds", don't get me wrong, it's not a big deal at all, it's just kinda something I've noticed, and got curious about.
And finally, for something more specific to this game, QuickMan is actually vulnerable to attacks while he's zooming around just before attacking, so in the rematch, instead of tanking hits to land a shot while he attacked, you could actually fire a charged shot while he's moving, and usually he'll just waltz into it.
Little nitpicks aside, though, I really enjoyed this video, just as I did the last one! The editing has DEFINITELY improved a lot, and I can't wait to see your next vid!
One question, though, when you get to BN3 and later, do you plan on banning the Navi Customizer? Or only NCPs that directly affect chips/do damage? Because I can see AntiDamage and Reflect being absolute GODSENDS to this challenge.
I'm assuming you won't fully ban it because otherwise you'd just have the buster being level 1 in every stat, but still, it's food for thought.
Also, it's honestly so surreal to see Navis take this long to be deleted. At least just as raw gameplay without the constant interruption of the Custom screen, guess being used to quick kills just makes these sorts of challenges look weirder than they actually are, eh?
Thank you! Glad to hear you enjoyed it - the editing has definitely been a learning experience for me and took way, way longer than I would've liked haha.
Absolutely, the cooldown resetting is a good trick and I should absolutely integrate it much more in my gameplay. Thanks for pointing that out!
I actually always called the mystery data mystery diamonds as a kid because of their shape, and it was just a habit that I didn't lose haha.
Makes sense on QuickMan - I didn't catch this on the original battle and when my strategy didn't work with the flamethrower, I didn't realize he'd have some additional vulnerability. Maybe this is something I would've figured out if I really needed the HP for the later fights!
I'm not 100% sure how I'll use the Navi Customizer yet, to be honest. Most of the chips that you mention like AntiDamage are locked behind leveling up different styles like Shadow, as far as I know, and so I probably couldn't actually get during a no chip playthrough. One of the things that I've been floating are doing two runs for BN3 - playing Blue using the current strategy, and then playing White using the same rules of no battle chips but using BugStyle instead. Any thoughts on if that would be interesting?
@@creationcorporation6267 Yeah! I think a BugStyle run would make for a good video and challenge, it's definitely a very fun style to play around with, and I'm sure you could use it to figure out some really neat strats!
The amount of work put into this is amazing. Nice video bro!
31:38 that silent kid for some reason reminds me of the guy with the dark form and powers from star force i think it was called.
also who else in that game got rid of your friends from the menu thing and used all the dark shard things to give yourself the dark form?
not that it would really matter to how far you can make it in this run, but as a way to make the early game fights easier your buster shot cooldown resets every time you move, so if you move forward and back while shooting as fast as you can you can shoot at about double speed from being stationary.
i think things would go south if you get the electric armor as you first one haha.
by the way, you got my respect!!
Damn this was quick, I feel like styles might be a bit broken but it would be hard to try and finish MMBN 2 without styles for thus challenge only. I would be curious what you will do with MMBN 4 and 5
It was definitely a busy few weeks to try and get this out! Styles are definitely broken, but I'm going to try and mix it up more often by trying some fights without the style on
Amazing video. Great editing and commentary. Hopefully you got enough comments/advice to make your next run significantly less of a headache.
Also, I highly recommend getting that rapid fire setting to be your default way to go when using rapid fire strats.
Also, as Pokémon Challenges stated, we are here for the boss fights, not the grind. If you need money to buy power ups to make progress, do yourself and the viewers a favor and hack in money to purchase it.
Really appreciate the feedback! The comments have been nothing but helpful. Rapid fire really is a surprisingly effective strategy, but I want to figure out how to also mix things up for the sake of keeping things interesting in the videos haha
I love the Battle Network series. However, I only played the 3rd one. Back when I was playing my GBA, I had plenty of games. Never had any money though so I did miss out. I'm looking forward to the next one for sure. This series is a nice way to experience the games!
BN3 is my favorite, so I'm working really hard to do it justice!
@@creationcorporation6267 I'm now even more excited. Also great work on your vids. I know you are working hard and I'm happy its paying off.
Love the video. BN3 guts style v
Buster only will be your favorite I promise 😆
Wood actually has an absolute great charge shot for enemies within reach because it can lock them in place for a moment. It's amazing in the story bosses since most are stuck dead center.
By the time I got WoodGuts in this run, I was so set in my ways with HeatGuts that I probably didn't experiment as much as I should have
@@creationcorporation6267 more opportunities in BN3
If you do want the ultimate bass experience you may want to run mmbn6 buster only, because you will fight fast pacing bass 3 times that gets harder on each encounter. Anyway, love your video and the series so far. Keep up the good work 👍
I'm really excited for the upcoming Bass fights - so far, they've all been variations of the same original fight from BN1, so I'm looking forward to the major changes they made in the next several games!
@@creationcorporation6267 Yeah, also protoman become really hard in the later game especially on bn6 again. Just for suggestion tho, since your bn1 buster only run is played on its superior version, you might wanna do bn5 on double team rather than on its separated ver.
I think not using chips at all as a huge mistake, and I really like the idea of only using support chips, and only using the buster to deal damage.
24:16 those are little knights. They have lances and shields. Their helmets have feathers on top.
Thanks for letting me know! I didn't realize, since they were so small and off the screen so quickly haha
There’s definitely somebody who said this before, but the area you have to reach for the B license can be accessed from the square, there’s a teleported along with the one that takes you to den2
Excellent video on one of my favorite games ever, makes me wanna do a buster only run sometime.
I just barely discovered these videos, but I'm looking forward to MMBN 3. I have a feeling that the next run will be impossible because of the Aura that Bass has, but I'm very much looking forward to the next video. This is a quality series and I'm glad you're making content. Keep up the great work!
Once you finish everything up to MMBN 6 do you think you would go back to redo the first video with no battle chips and the two skipped Secret bosses?
Really appreciate the feedback! I'm also thinking about what can be done for the next Bass battle, since I did cheese the first one with the support chips.
Absolutely - the plan is to redo the first run with no battle chips, and hopefully improve the video quality significantly from what's currently up!
Just a note that running is actually tied to how many upgrades you have (as you just learned)
So even though a single mettaur should be easy to run from, since you don't have any upgrades you can't run. That changes once you get upgrades but I remember that being a quirk in this game.
I think end game enemies you can't run from reliably but easier enemies are easier to run from.
Man what a jump start to a channel
Always love to see more battle network content and cannot wait for the surge come April.
3 without chips/buster only is gonna be a NIGHTMARE on a couple bosses thanks to being only able to have a single style and there being no powerups to get because of the navi customizer. I strongly suggest against a no chip run as there are certain chips that can force a style that might help. 3 white has ground style which can force the tiles to be a certain type at the start and blue has shadow style which just makes your charge shot invisible for like 2 seconds. You get ground style by using chips like metal stage a LOT. pray you get a wood ground style as that would basically make you immortal when combined with undershirt.
Personally I would suggest trying to just make a folder to restrict the enemy field (you can literally panel lock them in BN3. This makes the Momquake PA a massacre. Momquake is 2x rock cube + godstone) and barring that hope you don't get an elec style. You'll also want to use a couple of codes in advance to make plantman's dungeon easier as you gotta literally burn fire type chips to solve the dungeon so you gotta have an obscene number of them and the drops will leave you needing a new controller.
Also try to grind every enemy in the start of the game for as many bug frags (earned by counter hitting them) as possible as this lets access the most busted chips VERY early using the bug trader on hades isle (gargoyle statue, jack in and keep going and you'll find the warp to the undernet.) in blue version this nets you for 200 frags the infinite mulligan known as FOLDERBACK. This wild giga chip recycles your ENTIRE folder (including itself) thus allowing you to NEVER run out of chips.
Hope this helps.
This is definitely helpful - I agree that the additional styles and navicust provide a lot of options. I'm not 100% sure how I'd handle the run coming up, but the feedback is super helpful. I think that I will at first try to go without chips as a test run, and see how far I can get/how interesting it is before moving into using any chips!
@@creationcorporation6267 I did forget one feature of ground style that may heavily influence the version choice. If you level it enough you can earn a program called "set holy." This program forces your side of the field to start with 9 holy panels that halve damage. If you get a guts style you'll be able to use the break series of programs such as break charge and break shot. These are INSANELY powerful programs that are also featured in the hub batch program you get on a secret path near the bug frag trader in the final post game area (locked behind 20 CONSECUTIVE virus battles, chips and PRISM absolutely required.)
The number trader is present starting here, enter all of the codes as over half of the spin programs are contained in it along with sub chips and the most powerful PA in the game, master style (salamander + fountain + bolt + gaia blade) which is a wild coded PA.
Aqua styles have the fastest charging shot that can penetrate with bubble shot
To take advantage of life I suggest once you get the customizer to go for bug style first as you get bug stop the second it levels up and once it maxes out you get dark license (giga chip free usage on 60% of the chips) This style gives you a random bug at the start of battle, sometimes multiple, but it can make your life a lot easier since it has a large range of positive bugs like 1 turn invincibility or a huge barrier.
It's worth noting BN3 has the highest giga chip count of all games as every single navi has a V5 chip which is giga class (can only be obtained after getting team style and fulfilling other requirements)
The side missions hold VERY important items as you get the final navicust expansion and the WWW ID by doing them along with if you do it this way, either 100k or 300k zenny (look up a guide for this mission or you will NOT get the money reward, it's listed on gamefaqs)
BN3 has one scripted loss that you cannot avoid (Bass first encounter)
Flashman can be done no issue but it'll take a while since you'll only do 1 damage and he has 300 hp,
gutsman is gutsman so nothing new there,
beastman doesn't sit still but for a few frames,
bubbleman never leaves the back row,
desertman falls apart art every shot UNLESS you hit him with a water attack so hope for an aqua style in this case and can be done but the entire stage is sand and slows mobility,
kingman is a combo of shadowman and thunderman so keep moving and popping off if possible,
VERSION EXCLUSIVE FIGHT
mistman (white) can be done with the buster but won't be easy
bowlman (blue) buster is possible but you'll want to learn his pattern as his attacks pop off a second time if you hit them with any attack
both can be refought in the netbattle comp in the tv station
copyman (gutsman again. nothing new)
flame man has effect candles that might drive you mental,
drillman can ONLY be damaged by penetrating attacks as his hit box during his attacks is coded exactly the same as the puffball's.
Bass has a 150hp barrier that somehow swords don't work on but drops it for a SINGLE attack and is the first part of the final boss, final boss itself can be done buster only but you need a LOT of hp (hp+1000 extra code. SIDE EFFECT: all panels crossed over become poison panels and cannot be negated by float shoes) and bustermax, strongly suggest using a turbo button if possible.
Darkman can be done with minimal issue but he cycles elements,
yamatoman will make you sweat as he can reflect shots back at you doing MUCH more damage, has an attack called backup that acts like gateman's army except they also feature panel grab and they can all but panel lock you making all of his attacks hit.
Serenade can only be hit during certain movements without panel locking him.
OPTIONAL BOSSES
metalman buster possible, gives quick access to yoka and beach area
punk buster possible, no chip drop in usa/european versions of the game (money farm)
This is amazing. I know it was almost a year ago now, but i truly hope you have more in store for us!
Just realized there's a 3rd game video already out, my bad.
Work battle skills are sick :) I love your videos
I remember being a kid and being stuck on quickman for ages. I beat him finally on a trip to target with my step mom and I was in pure ecstasy mode and she was like “that’s great bud! *awkward smile*”
good times.
Toadman is only needed for a shortcut as you can access that area of the net from one of the square entrance warp points and you can save reset one green mystery data for getting 2k zennies early on
It’s crazy cause I was thinking of doing a similar challenge but I’ll try some different strategies. Great video tho I really enjoyed it ❤️🔥
BN3 was my first BN, and I can’t wait to see what you’ll do with the customizer to optimize for mega buster builds
5:54 nice use of sound design here with the victory music then again at 6:05.
I know that I will definitely be doing this challenge for the Legacy Collection, although I think for my sanity, I'll add a stipulation that if I can beat a virus setup once with buster, I'll use chips for any repeat encounters with the same setup. Chip grinding is gonna be horrid otherwise
Enjoying this series so far. Are you going to use Souls in 4/5? They *technically* require chips but I don’t feel that it really counts as using them. Might be worth making a poll
Thanks for the support! My plan right now is to play both games with two slightly different challenges - one with the vanilla "no chips, but allow souls/forms/etc" as normal, and perhaps a slightly different challenge for the second. For BN3, I'm working on a normal no chip run and a no chip and bugstyle run, but am very open to suggestions for BN4!
I wish they did more to make the backtracking interesting, I've quite enjoyed some of the backtracking in metroidvanias.
Also, what I like most about challenge runs like this is that it shows basically any folder is very viable. I'd probably only ever do buster-only every type of encounter once, and probably only in bn1, but I love all the takeaways. It's similar with speedrunning, I HATE being in a hurry, but it really puts parts of the game to the test. Saving a few millisec is not worth applying to my own gameplay, but plenty of stuff is.
the Megabuster firing faster the further to the right you are feels like more than just a risk/reward. it might also be a partial emulation of getting right up in the opponen'ts face in classic games
YYOOOO BTN CONTENT YES
i've never been certain about the exact mechanics behind the buster's attack speed, but i do know two things: first, despite the lack of visuals, the buster shot is actually a projectile with a travel time, and second, you can shoot again a lot faster after the projectile despawns
that's the secret behind why attacking from the front row is faster than attacking from the back row - and why attacking an enemy on the front row is faster than attacking one on the back row. it's also why your attack speed is at its slowest when hitting nothing from the back row, because that means the projectile has the most distance to cover before despawning via leaving the play area
now, how that all interacts with the rapid stat? i genuinely have no clue, it's always been a part of mmbn that's puzzled me
Honestly, fully agreed. The pellet having travel time is consistent with how the side-scrolling games all work, which is a really cool nod!
From what I've read, the rapid stat allows you to shoot one more pellet per second from the leftmost panel, but I haven't actually seen a good comparison or breakdown of how this works.
awesome vid! I think you'll find bn6 buster run super easy once you start getting a cybeast form + various crosses
I agree with you, in BN6 you’re pretty much powerful since you have Cybeast and Soul Crosses
My best explanation on why the fetch quest is a thing is to actually give more exploring to the internet. However I do agree its really infuriating rather than fun.
Good luck on future runs! Also you can't do a harder Bass, HeatGuts is the only style capable of reaching 100 damage, the needed amount to drop his aura.
The legend himself?!? Thank you for sharing the videos on Goofball - I absolutely would've had no idea what to do if you didn't put those up. I hope you don't mind me showing and sharing your videos, because your stuff is great and absolutely deserves more recognition
@@creationcorporation6267 lol all good, thanks, you also gave me some motivation to do some stuff again cuz been awhile, plan to start doing stuff again soon as well cuz collection dropping
You did great bro keep it up!
The fact u did like 2 games only doing megabuster is nuts lol
Mannnn, these freaking awesome challenge vids AND the collection coming soon.....MMBN fans eatin like the KINGS they are rn!!!! 👑👑👑👑👑
Really appreciate the support, there's more on the way!
In the Castle Comp, if you got robbed by a bandit, you can actually retrieve all your stolen zenny back. Before you use the CyberKey to open the last gate, take a detour to a spot nearby which looks like a treasure chest platform, there you can get the mystery data which contains all your stolen zenny.
Thanks for this! I didn't know this at the time, but thankfully it wasn't a ton of money haha
@@creationcorporation6267 No problem! I played the battle network games a lot, so I kinda knew about a lot of things about it haha. XD
I had no idea this game was so long, i always got stuck not long after you got your chips stolen
You are in for a treat with BN3’s GutsStyle
The number one biggest and most important update in MMBN2:
The Default net doesn't all have the SAME FUCKING VISUAL DESIGN (And a bad one at that). Just the different net areas is so much better and this stuck for the rest of the series, obviously.
I hope you were using the special rapid fire attack of guts style, the footage was sped up, so i cant really be sure, but its buffed in bn3, so definitely try that.
Also bn 4 5 and 6 have (official) mod cards that can change your buster to act as certain chips. Consider using those so you dont get softlocked the first time you run into a shadow style enemy.
The mod card idea is actually really brilliant - I hadn't heard of this before, but it would be a really interesting way of playing through one of the games. I had the idea of playing through both versions of each game going forward, with a slightly different challenge. Perhaps BN4 Blue Moon with Souls, and BN4 Red Sun with Mod Cards?
@@creationcorporation6267 mmbn4 really requires three runs to even reach the end game, im not sure you'll want to play it more than that. The last cycle is brutal as far as difficulty goes