To everyone just discovering Vildhjarta through this video: Welcome! It's great on this side of the abyss, and the coffee is some of the darkest and best you'll ever taste.
I kinda suspected all of this additional songwriting trickery when I tried to learn Vildhjarta songs on guitar but they resulted more confusing than learning some meshuggah ones.
another solid (thallid) analysis of a complex topic in a niche genre that is rarely covered at all, let alone in depth. next time someone tells me 'metal is just a bunch of guys screaming and banging guitars' ill send them here 🎶
Could you possibly make a video on their use of dissonance? Their melodies (if that’s what you want to call them) are so unique. I’ve never personally heard band use dissonance quite how they do. HLB kind of does, but they’re also basically Vildjharta lol Love the content!
In my opinion a lot of the melodic elements get clearer if you listen to Black Metal, or mor specifically build a bridge with Calles project stoort neer between Vildhjartas use of melody and chromatizism infused minor chord progressions in black metal
I would really love to see you break down the riffs in Dimman från lützen. The intro riff, the way it slows down just to hit you right in the face with one of the greatest riffs I’ve ever heard at 1:55. I love your videos, although sometimes I’m having a hard time understanding what’s going on theoretically 🖤
Vildhjarta does it so well man. First and second albums are a huge influence on how I play, mixed with styling from bands like animosity and the faceless. Im kinda going for a djenty wes hauch sound.... or something. Either way very informative video and has helped me understand the way I write a bit better as well as understanding what I'm actually doing instead of "idk. I'm just jamming til I find "it"."
Super interesting! I'm a big Vildhjarta fan and have recently been exploring the technical side of songwriting more lately as I try to expand my own songs so this was a really cool piece of insight.
I think theres an argument to be made for you completing the scandinavian djenthallogy to do a video covering Humanity`s Last Breath and CABAL too. Great video as always. Vildhjarta has always been a band whose musical tricks I could never wrap my head around, their stramge ability to have a coherent composition while barely ever repeating a section is astounding. Edit: I would like to add that you can in fact now do a thall band from each scandinavian country after discovering Frostbitt, a Norwegian band and Indistinct, a Finnish band
Thanks for introducing me to this band. I've been slowly digesting it and just these past weeks I've got to listen to their albums multiple times. My biggest gripe is that the song titles are not in english so I have trouble memorizing which song is which.
Man ! I don't know how to explain but your channel is the best channel I've ever found on youtube!!! I almost have my jazz degres from school and I u derstand every concept you talk In your video and it really help to understand more how I see music that I daily listen too!! Keep it up dude your video are amazing!!!
A video about Vildhjarta that popped up on recommended? Nice, subbed. One of my favorite bands. Great video, loved tha(ll)t humor. Will watch other videos in upcoming week
I'm loving thall the puns in this video. Thanks for another solid upload, haven't listened to them in a while but I think I'll be revisiting them. One of my favorites when it comes to that Meshuggah-influenced style. Btw, are you using a Strandberg in this video?
Yea, some Vildhjarta finally. Thanks for giving us an idea on how the stuff they do works. I think the idea of endless melody really fits how I have always heard their music. Always feeling like no riff comes back a second time, but still with this familiarity. Here's hoping we get a follow up to Den Helige Anden soon :D I would love a video about the music of Mizmor (You had that shirt on once) or perhaps Hell. Their music of course doesn't have the same complexity in comparison to a lot of stuff you talk about. But I would be really interested to see what you would have to say about their music.
Love your videos, and I'm constantly coming back to them for inspiration. I wonder if you've considered adding some of your opinion on what the actual creative process for writing these riffs might look like. Sort of reverse-engineering them. I know that in analysis a lot of theory gets added in order to explain or justify something, so it would be really cool to hear your thoughts on whether these concepts are really happening in the Vildhjarta DAW or writing room, or whether they're arrived at by some sort of studio tricks or random number generators or something. Endlessly grateful for your analysis; thank you!
i am awaiting the day that you do not write papers, but papers are written about your channel man... as an example on how to provide some of the best infotainment in niche music genres there is out today!
just love how excited and energetic you are in this video, I would, however, sometimes dial it back a little, especially with the rapid movements, as it could distract the viewer
Hey man I love your videos, super in-depth! Also, I see you’re wearing a primitive man shirt. Could you maybe do a video on them. For instance, the way the bass carries the riff while the noise goes wild would be interesting. But keep up the great work anyway!
This is by far the best channel on youtube lately. Love your work. Hope you show Mitochondrion some love sometime soon. Parasignosis is a badass album and the guitar work is wicked.
If you haven't already, you should check out JUTE GYTE. I think you'd find the compositions, meter/hyper-meter choice, and micro-tonality very interesting.
This was amazing. I hope you're right about more metal bands that rapidly change Tempos like Car Bomb and Vildhjarta. Those bands have ruined my ear and now when I go back to albums I used to love, they sound extremely linear and boring to be honest. Would love more bands that do "Through composing" like Vildhjarta. That style writing is for me, 100%.
THALL Bröther (edit) In all honesty I've learned a lot about harmony(harm minor) from vildhjarta. Their cleans have a strong hirajoshi sound, Dimman is such a cool song. Love ur vids btw, I feel different approaches to dissecting\analyzing different genres or bands is necessary to aptly learn from them. Western theory can be limiting in perspective. ps. ur the best
Awesome video man! So glad I found your channel. A suggestion I don't think I've seen anyone make yet: In Death - Is Death by Meshuggah off Catch33. That third riff kicked my ass when learning the album on guitar and I always regarded that specific riff as "pure entropy". I'd love to be proven wrong!
Once again a great video and rockin a Primitive Man shirt....Caustic still is a beast of an album. Would love to hear your take on them. Stay save Doc.
Great video, as always! 5:40 Why is this an "abstract" take on Meshuggah's style? Is it less embodied? Less specific? More conceptual? Or just harder to learn/play?
Great question! I guess I meant in the sense of a few steps removed but based on some deeper fundamental aesthetic - it’s like they take the spirit of Meshuggah’s music, but change a lot of the details. Not sure if abstract is quite the right word now that I think of it
Incredible video, love Vildjharta and you did such a good job explaining them. Loved that you mentioned Car Bomb, would love a video on them at some point. Where can we read your paper on them?
I’d love to see an episode on Reflections-Cicada ft. Calle. More like his work with Humanity’s Last Breath than Vildjarta. But I don’t know how they got that track to sound so brutal.
Nice strandberg! wich model is it? Got my eyes on a 8 strings strandberg too... i'll maybe try buying it this spring or summer. Would you recommend it? Impressive work as always too with this video! Thanks!
My question for you is: does it strick you from this song that they are deeply knowledgable about music theory? Or does it seem more that they just have a weird intuition for rhythm? Very well done though! Subscribed.
I'm not sure specifically about Vildhjarta (and someone said they showed this to someone in the band who said they didn't understand it), but I think most musicians probably don't think in these terms. But I'm trying to put what seem to be their rhythmic intuitions into words, if that makes sense. My Car Bomb video has some more about this idea.
@@metalmusictheory5401 Right, I picture them making riffs to a metronome and then adding drums and maybe adjusting the rhythm from there. The reason I asked is that the notes they stress are sometimes very unexpected but work in a weird way. I was wondering what the process is of constructing these weird rhythms because it seems to be something not a lot of people can do.
Great analysis! It's a shame that the tabs are bad write, but i will really excited if you make a full/general analysis when Kaos 2 will release. Thall
Bro can you please send me whatever tabs you have ? I really need to learn this song asap. I’m kinda salty you didn’t show the very first riff tho the intro riff is Deadass my fav part. Any way you can send me tabs tho ? Like the full song
Well yeah that's the question, whether it makes more sense to think of it as a quarter note qunituplet = quarter note tempo modulation (I use "tempo modulation" instead of "metric modulation" because it's tempo that's changing, not meter, although people also use "metric modulation" because that's what Eliot Carter called them) or a direct tempo change. I think it sounds more like a direct tempo change, because there are no quintuplets anywhere in the music, but it's not impossible to hear it that way (and I just realized I meant to include a little thing about what that would sound like in the video but forgot).
It would be really helpful if you left your text comments on screen just a bit longer - I usually have to pause so that I can read them and still concentrate on what you're saying. And BTW: Vildhjarta🤘my favorite and totally underrated djent-lords!
Thanks! Yeah I have a bad habit of getting carried away with the footnotes, I try to leave the important ones up for longer! But I’m trying to be better about having fewer unimportant ones lol.
The comments are all good - important/unimportant/silly/serious/whatever - I just need a little more time to read them while other things are happening. Maybe I'm a bit slow 😄.
The dry nonchalant humor in this is on another level :p
To everyone just discovering Vildhjarta through this video:
Welcome! It's great on this side of the abyss, and the coffee is some of the darkest and best you'll ever taste.
"Not that crazy as an idea"
Uses Car Bomb for reference
lmao I realized how funny that was after I finished the video
I've been waiting for someone to make this video for 8 years.
Right?!
Hey that's how long I've been waiting for a new Vildhjarta album!
@@BentDoorFrame it must take a long time to write this music properly.
@@KillinSmallz I'm not rushing them, just waiting. I'm sure it willl be worth it.
@@BentDoorFrame i'm sure it will be THALL
Super hard to articulate how their riffs "repeat" but don't at the same time. Great job!!!
I love your shit, dude. The breadth of your knowledge and presentation kills it with the deadpan delivery.
Thanks so much!
Never heard of vildhjarta, but they sound fascinating. It's hypnotic like meshuggah but for very different reasons.
oh man you're in for a treat ! their album masstaden is a masterpiece
HIGHLY recommend checking them out. They only have an album and 2 EPs and it's all so good. I especially recommend their album Masstaden
keep an eye out for their next album "kaos 2" that's supposed to be coming out
+1 for Måsstaden
Enjoy the loss of your Vildhjartity.
So terrible.
T H A L L
Never heard of them but immediately clicked, as I know your channel to be an absolute treasure trove.
Yeah, prbbly most of this audience is just looking for music lol
you have been shown the light of t h a l l. May the gods bless you
I kinda suspected all of this additional songwriting trickery when I tried to learn Vildhjarta songs on guitar but they resulted more confusing than learning some meshuggah ones.
another solid (thallid) analysis of a complex topic in a niche genre that is rarely covered at all, let alone in depth. next time someone tells me 'metal is just a bunch of guys screaming and banging guitars' ill send them here 🎶
"If I look uncontrollably excited to you"
Been listening to vildhjarta for about a year but this video made me appreciate them so much more I listen to them differently now
Could you possibly make a video on their use of dissonance? Their melodies (if that’s what you want to call them) are so unique. I’ve never personally heard band use dissonance quite how they do. HLB kind of does, but they’re also basically Vildjharta lol
Love the content!
HLB is basically Vildjharta + a whammy pedal
@@metalheadblues You’re right on. Stylistic differences a bit but general same kind of sound. Big fan of both!
@@jg_yro5845 gotta shout out buster!
In my opinion a lot of the melodic elements get clearer if you listen to Black Metal, or mor specifically build a bridge with Calles project stoort neer between Vildhjartas use of melody and chromatizism infused minor chord progressions in black metal
@@630171official love stoort ne’er for sure, you have any black metal band recommendations related to this sound?
I want a shirt with the phrase 'Unendliche Djentigkeit' on it. Really insightful and enjoyable video, as usual, thanks!
This vid is treasure for vildhjarta fans wich wanna now more about tech sides of their songs.
liked and subscribed dude!
I colothally appreciate the work you put into this.
I would really love to see you break down the riffs in Dimman från lützen. The intro riff, the way it slows down just to hit you right in the face with one of the greatest riffs I’ve ever heard at 1:55. I love your videos, although sometimes I’m having a hard time understanding what’s going on theoretically 🖤
I can't believe how long they been out And this is first I'm hearing of them. Thanks again friend on another great vid as well as band introduction
Vildhjarta does it so well man. First and second albums are a huge influence on how I play, mixed with styling from bands like animosity and the faceless. Im kinda going for a djenty wes hauch sound.... or something. Either way very informative video and has helped me understand the way I write a bit better as well as understanding what I'm actually doing instead of "idk. I'm just jamming til I find "it"."
Super interesting! I'm a big Vildhjarta fan and have recently been exploring the technical side of songwriting more lately as I try to expand my own songs so this was a really cool piece of insight.
I think theres an argument to be made for you completing the scandinavian djenthallogy to do a video covering Humanity`s Last Breath and CABAL too. Great video as always. Vildhjarta has always been a band whose musical tricks I could never wrap my head around, their stramge ability to have a coherent composition while barely ever repeating a section is astounding.
Edit: I would like to add that you can in fact now do a thall band from each scandinavian country after discovering Frostbitt, a Norwegian band and Indistinct, a Finnish band
Thanks for introducing me to this band. I've been slowly digesting it and just these past weeks I've got to listen to their albums multiple times.
My biggest gripe is that the song titles are not in english so I have trouble memorizing which song is which.
OH BOY. This is going to be great.
Man ! I don't know how to explain but your channel is the best channel I've ever found on youtube!!! I almost have my jazz degres from school and I u derstand every concept you talk In your video and it really help to understand more how I see music that I daily listen too!! Keep it up dude your video are amazing!!!
Awesome, and thank you!
I will from now on use the word Djentigkeit in every possible situation! Thank you!
(Great analysis, as THALLways!)
More people need to see this channel. Keep em coming
A video about Vildhjarta that popped up on recommended? Nice, subbed. One of my favorite bands. Great video, loved tha(ll)t humor. Will watch other videos in upcoming week
I'm loving thall the puns in this video. Thanks for another solid upload, haven't listened to them in a while but I think I'll be revisiting them. One of my favorites when it comes to that Meshuggah-influenced style.
Btw, are you using a Strandberg in this video?
Yep! Strandberg metal 8 from around 2016!
@@metalmusictheory5401 Awesome! How do you like it? I’ve been considering getting one for a while. Plan to buy one someday.
@@jbasti227 I like it a lot! I haven't played a ton of 8-strings but this is by far the nicest I've played
Yea, some Vildhjarta finally. Thanks for giving us an idea on how the stuff they do works. I think the idea of endless melody really fits how I have always heard their music. Always feeling like no riff comes back a second time, but still with this familiarity. Here's hoping we get a follow up to Den Helige Anden soon :D
I would love a video about the music of Mizmor (You had that shirt on once) or perhaps Hell. Their music of course doesn't have the same complexity in comparison to a lot of stuff you talk about. But I would be really interested to see what you would have to say about their music.
Love your videos, and I'm constantly coming back to them for inspiration. I wonder if you've considered adding some of your opinion on what the actual creative process for writing these riffs might look like. Sort of reverse-engineering them. I know that in analysis a lot of theory gets added in order to explain or justify something, so it would be really cool to hear your thoughts on whether these concepts are really happening in the Vildhjarta DAW or writing room, or whether they're arrived at by some sort of studio tricks or random number generators or something. Endlessly grateful for your analysis; thank you!
Great band, great video, incredible t-shirt
i am awaiting the day that you do not write papers, but papers are written about your channel man... as an example on how to provide some of the best infotainment in niche music genres there is out today!
just love how excited and energetic you are in this video, I would, however, sometimes dial it back a little, especially with the rapid movements, as it could distract the viewer
Phenomethall analysis and puns.
I appreciate t'hall for doing this
These puns are too much, I love it.
Hey man I love your videos, super in-depth! Also, I see you’re wearing a primitive man shirt. Could you maybe do a video on them. For instance, the way the bass carries the riff while the noise goes wild would be interesting. But keep up the great work anyway!
I thought I recognized that tab! Great stuff here man
Thanks for your work! Saved me a ton of time!
This is by far the best channel on youtube lately. Love your work. Hope you show Mitochondrion some love sometime soon. Parasignosis is a badass album and the guitar work is wicked.
Would love to see a video analysing the compositional style of the new album, tons of stuff in there to talk about both melodically and otherwise
Just gave a little taste on this in the last Rapid Fire Riffs vid, will do more eventually!
Damn this guy deserves more subs, so helpful
If you haven't already, you should check out JUTE GYTE. I think you'd find the compositions, meter/hyper-meter choice, and micro-tonality very interesting.
Adam Kalmbach is a nut. And for that I love him.
The T H V L L puns are what made me sub.
Edit: although, I think you missed an opportunity for THALLymeter.
My favorite music theory channel AND my favorite Vildhjarta song? Fuck yeah!
This was amazing. I hope you're right about more metal bands that rapidly change Tempos like Car Bomb and Vildhjarta. Those bands have ruined my ear and now when I go back to albums I used to love, they sound extremely linear and boring to be honest. Would love more bands that do "Through composing" like Vildhjarta. That style writing is for me, 100%.
That is a lightning quick noise gate! Sounds good.
THALL Bröther
(edit)
In all honesty I've learned a lot about harmony(harm minor) from vildhjarta. Their cleans have a strong hirajoshi sound, Dimman is such a cool song. Love ur vids btw, I feel different approaches to dissecting\analyzing different genres or bands is necessary to aptly learn from them. Western theory can be limiting in perspective.
ps. ur the best
Thanks so much!
dude you are awesome!! keep making these please
Awesome video man! So glad I found your channel. A suggestion I don't think I've seen anyone make yet: In Death - Is Death by Meshuggah off Catch33. That third riff kicked my ass when learning the album on guitar and I always regarded that specific riff as "pure entropy". I'd love to be proven wrong!
Got some Catch 33 stuff coming very soon!
This is great content man! Keep it up.
Once again a great video and rockin a Primitive Man shirt....Caustic still is a beast of an album.
Would love to hear your take on them.
Stay save Doc.
How do you keep a straight face with all the Thall jokes? Hahaha, great as always.
THALL you got on Vildhjarta!? Great job!
Great video, as always!
5:40 Why is this an "abstract" take on Meshuggah's style? Is it less embodied? Less specific? More conceptual? Or just harder to learn/play?
Great question! I guess I meant in the sense of a few steps removed but based on some deeper fundamental aesthetic - it’s like they take the spirit of Meshuggah’s music, but change a lot of the details. Not sure if abstract is quite the right word now that I think of it
This is actually my favourite Song from them.
thanks bro, you are the best master
Incredible video, love Vildjharta and you did such a good job explaining them.
Loved that you mentioned Car Bomb, would love a video on them at some point. Where can we read your paper on them?
Here you go ua-cam.com/video/bA6Cg6arEb4/v-deo.html
Nice analysis.
Love your videos man
I love thall of your videos
great! you should do an analysis on one of the newer riffs too :)
The Adam Neely of thall. Thalldam Neely
GREAT channel!
in your opinion, do you think they're intentionally writing this way or just plugging away on a grid until it fits
Bro, I subbed. Good stuff
Love this episode
They have a new album coming this year. It's likely to be about an hour and a half long according to their Instagram story.
thall of their music is great
yes it is lmao
I’d love to see an episode on Reflections-Cicada ft. Calle. More like his work with Humanity’s Last Breath than Vildjarta. But I don’t know how they got that track to sound so brutal.
Nice strandberg! wich model is it? Got my eyes on a 8 strings strandberg too... i'll maybe try buying it this spring or summer. Would you recommend it?
Impressive work as always too with this video! Thanks!
Thanks! And this is the metal 8 from like 2016 (I think), and I love it! Makes playing an 8-string as easy as it ever will be.
My question for you is: does it strick you from this song that they are deeply knowledgable about music theory? Or does it seem more that they just have a weird intuition for rhythm?
Very well done though! Subscribed.
I'm not sure specifically about Vildhjarta (and someone said they showed this to someone in the band who said they didn't understand it), but I think most musicians probably don't think in these terms. But I'm trying to put what seem to be their rhythmic intuitions into words, if that makes sense. My Car Bomb video has some more about this idea.
@@metalmusictheory5401 Right, I picture them making riffs to a metronome and then adding drums and maybe adjusting the rhythm from there. The reason I asked is that the notes they stress are sometimes very unexpected but work in a weird way. I was wondering what the process is of constructing these weird rhythms because it seems to be something not a lot of people can do.
Alright everyone listen up, 𝙏𝙝𝙖𝙡𝙡 is talking.
Great analysis! It's a shame that the tabs are bad write, but i will really excited if you make a full/general analysis when Kaos 2 will release. Thall
you should do an analysis of the later half of the breakdown in pitch dark by chon
Bro can you please send me whatever tabs you have ? I really need to learn this song asap. I’m kinda salty you didn’t show the very first riff tho the intro riff is Deadass my fav part. Any way you can send me tabs tho ? Like the full song
Ricky Wagner, i giggled.
Great video, could you do an analysis on Ulcerate? Something like “There are no Saviors” or any of their songs?
7:30 that took me a second 🤣
Think you can do something by Teitanblood?
Is this a Grandmeister 40? Nice Video.
the tempo changes are metric modulation I think
Well yeah that's the question, whether it makes more sense to think of it as a quarter note qunituplet = quarter note tempo modulation (I use "tempo modulation" instead of "metric modulation" because it's tempo that's changing, not meter, although people also use "metric modulation" because that's what Eliot Carter called them) or a direct tempo change. I think it sounds more like a direct tempo change, because there are no quintuplets anywhere in the music, but it's not impossible to hear it that way (and I just realized I meant to include a little thing about what that would sound like in the video but forgot).
Sick Primitive Man shirt
YESSSSS MY FAVORITE SONG
Awwwwwwwwwwwwww yissssss
That egg carton must be doing wonders for your sound isolation :D
Lol made me chuckle (I use it as a marker holder)
@@metalmusictheory5401 I rate is highly as a pure sight gag for musicians/engineers. :)
I share this video on a facebook group when Calle Thomer is a member, he says that he doesn't understand a thing 🤣🤣🤣
Any chance for a look at Timeghoul or Demilich?
Will you do an analysis on a track off the new Ad Nauseam album? So much crazy stuff going on in there. Imperative Imperceptible Impulse
Man, could you do an analysis of Brännmärkt?
Is that a strandberg metal? 😁
Dude never skipped neck day
You need to do a video on Immolation!!!
It’s “vil dyarta”
tha||
It would be really helpful if you left your text comments on screen just a bit longer - I usually have to pause so that I can read them and still concentrate on what you're saying.
And BTW: Vildhjarta🤘my favorite and totally underrated djent-lords!
Thanks! Yeah I have a bad habit of getting carried away with the footnotes, I try to leave the important ones up for longer! But I’m trying to be better about having fewer unimportant ones lol.
The comments are all good - important/unimportant/silly/serious/whatever - I just need a little more time to read them while other things are happening. Maybe I'm a bit slow 😄.
Are those Lundgrens in your headless. If so they sound fantastic brother.
Thanks! And no they're the stock Strandberg metal pickups!
Thanks
Thall class kids! Present!
How many takes to get through thall of it?
thallot more than I hoped it would