Explaining Meshuggah using KONNAKOL (Stengah)
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- Опубліковано 24 тра 2024
- Time Consuming Ep #48 and week 3 of 'MAYshuggah' is all about KONNAKOL! This Indian rhythmic system had helped me so much over the years and I can't recommend it enough. Luckily, I have friends who are very well versed in this art form and Rohith is one of them!
He is truly an incredible vocalist and his rhythmic sense is so advanced I'm super happy he agreed to join me for this one.
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#musiceducation #polyrhythms #konnakol
0:00 dad joke + intro
1:05 intro riff
3:05 konnakol 101
4:10 Adi Tala
4:50 that cool middle riff
5:30 riff 2
7:51 riff 3
8:47 THAT DRUM FILL
10:00 riff 4
10:38 riff 5
Very similar to the Mexican Tuesday Method:
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Taquito Taquito Taco Dame
Taquito Taco Tequila Dame
hhahaahaah
Awesome!
My ex-girlfriend made almost the exact same joke when I was working through this stuff a couple years ago. 🤣🤣🤣
I love how his guitar drawing appropriately has 8 strings
Once upon a time it didnt! Check his breakdown of Clockworks. Good stuff.
I CANNOT tell you how satisfying it is to listen to Rohith recite those konnakol syllables perfectly in time with Meshuggah's polyrhythms! 😍
AGREEDDD
Yes to Konnakol! It's revolutionised how I get through all Meshuggah, particularly thanks to Mattias Eklundh. Thanks so much Yogev!
I was about to mention Matthias IA Eklundh! I love his konnakol videos and how he uses it for weird proggy shit
This was a great discovery now I can communicate rhythms to a drummer without sounding like a total idiot
Henrik Andersen did a great job previous to Eklundh, and in Great Britain the Israeli drummer Asaf Sirkis has some great stuff on UA-cam
Dude this is some of the best musical analysis I’ve ever seen!
konnakol is actually how I started to understand odd time signatures in general
"An Indian musician and a metalhead walk into a bar." It's the other two pieces of the Art Metal trio, Jonas Hellborg was already there.
This is such a niche joke, I don't expect anybody to appreciate shit like this.
fuck yes, Aram of the Two Rivers was the shit
Instantly thought of IA
Art Metal's self-titled albums is one of my favourites.
Hey, _Abstract Logic_ is amazing! I'll have to check out this "Art Metal trio."
Drummers are very likely to love konnakol anyway because it is very close to the way they already sing their drum part (but often way cooler, because drummers can´t really sing).
"- So how is your fill fitting in the end?
- Well you know, drutututu toum Pschhh papa pouta papa pouta dum pschhhhh and it ends on the up beat."
drutututu toum Pschhh papa pouta papa pouta dum pschhhhh is one of my favorites
yeeeeeh. Stengah was the first Meshuggah song I was exposed to, which was when I was 18 years old. My younger brother had just started high school specializing in music, and came back home to visit after his first week. He gave me a CD (remember those things?) with some new and interesting metal music one of his new class mates had made for him. I took a listen, and the first track was Stengah.
At this point I was a fairly accomplished flutist, so I already knew my way around notation, scales, harmony and some rhythmic concepts (mostly derived from the pieces I'd played or from bands ranging from Pantera to Dream Theater).
Stengah was the heaviest song I'd ever heard. And it made absolutely no sense to me. I simply could not understand it! And so I was hooked, digesting the entire Meshuggah catalog with a thirst of grasping first and foremost the rhythmic concepts much like you've laid them out in every Meshuggah song to date (nice job, btw), but also the harmony (phrygian and diminished scales). And it made me pick up the guitar.
At some point though, it became pretty much internalised, and I stopped thinking about subdivisions and ostinato lengths. I started feeling the pulse, or the half pulse (meaning the one and three) to a greater degree, and started seeing what I felt were incredibly complex concepts as just interesting spices, creating depth to each song.
I hear Meshuggah is in the studio now. And that Fredrik is back. Times are getting better!
And kudos to Mr. Rohith for whipping out the 32nd note konnakol! *Badhiya, mere dost!*
Hopefully a new album at the end of this year with Frederik back
_Immutable_ out April 1st MFers!!! It's gonna...wait for it....melt your face!
@@spike05 Two days from now IMMUTABLE drops!!!
I love how literally any video you watch from Yogev just upgrades you
Today I learned that I subconsciously count my rhythmic subdivisions in a traditional Indian manner, except for the specific Konnakol syllables. That makes so much sense. Your channel is such a dense informational resource, I’m obsessed
Haaaaaaaa great !
This is Earth at its best
Your content is 5-million-subscriber-quality!
the ratio "thumbs up/number of views" is around one out of ten: that only is über excellent.
This is absolutely fascinating and very incredible. Yogev, I know you went to Berkeley, but I hope you have managed to complete a PhD. Your knowledge and theory and multiple approaches to dissecting and presenting complex and unique music is utterly astounding...
Well I did go to Berklee yes, and actually applied for Masters (don't ask why it didn't work out hahaha) but I may go back again at some point! Not necessarily Berklee, but school.
@@YogevGabay I sort of feel that there should be a space for a thesis in re: representing music from different musical traditions using different scoring techniques, and exploring what it teaches or unlocks.
I could imagine some really interesting data being inviting a varied subsection of people to produce graphic scores to music with complex or quite alien feeling conventions, and look at what themes might derive from the subjective interpretations? Like how you choose to use a 'calculator' graphic sometimes, due to the arithmetic required to break down a Meshuggah riff. And sometimes once your coloured counters and cardboard cut out instruments are all in position, it is an eye catching arrangement in itself within the frame of your video, lending somewhat from cut-up and collage, as well as minimalism...
One thing I notice right away is that your fun/educational and digestible presentation of hard to unlock musical ideas makes for very compulsive viewing... very easy to completely drop what I'm doing and be immersed in your content.
Anyway, thank you for your reply. I am a guitarist, but was in a bad traffic collision 5 weeks ago and I'm currently unable to play any instruments due to extensive musculoskeletal trauma. Your content has helped keep my ear in and kept me somewhat sane. X
@@sepiarain Oh man first and for most, feel better!
It's so hard to not be able to play for a long while so hang in there!
Second, yeah that topic is something that interests me quite a lot obviously. Also an extension to what you've said is the notion of how being locked in 1 musical system actually shapes the music we produce way more than we think. Stuff like the overwhelming songs in 120 bpm just because it's the default tempo in a DAW and things like that.
@@YogevGabay Thanks yogev!
Very interesting looking at the historical reasons why certain conventions exist and persist... I've never heard stories around the west's fixation with 120BPM. It would be interesting if it had a historically significant disruptive factor, like how scientific/verde tuning was changed because of the resonant frequencies in grand auditoriums and concert venues built in Germany in the 1930's - so everything got pitched slightly higher to accommodate for the new standard.
Taquito tacquito taco 🌮😋
So there wasn't a poll this time, because you already wanted to present Stengah to us? That's the BEST freaking song what could be chosen here EVER!!! FINALLY!!!! 😭 And that was an excellent follow through! Wish I'd understand all of it! Utterly wonderful that was!
Yeah for this month I had a certain agenda I wanted to go over, and I knew Stengah is one of them !
@@YogevGabay And we're glad you did! StengAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHhhhhHh!!!!!!!
@0:21 “ladies and djents” 😎
i would love to listen to the entire album with konnakol vocals on top of it. it sounds awesome and really adds so much to the groove of meshuggah
Imagine Jens doing it 😂😫
Danny Carey should play percussion on some songs...doing mostly tabla, conga, djembe, and his mandala e-drum stuff...!
Just realized Rohith worked on a Tigran Hamasyan song doing a konnakol solo!
That song is absolutely incredible, deserves to be on this channel some time.
Oh that's him!? Wow. The song's called "Drip" btw.
YESSSS HE KILLS IT THERE
Yogev was there too, drumming :D
dude I’ve been comparing Konnakol to Meshuggah all week this is wild that u just did this lmao. fucking love these vids dude
hahahahah rock n roll !
1:27 wait where's the calculator, I NEED MY RHYTHM CALCULATOR
OH YOU'LL GET IT
I never quite understood stengah and thought I was hearing an "optical illusion" of sorts, the whole way through, and then when the solo came in the riff "made sense".... Now you've taught me the riff actually changes and "fits" and that's why I hear it as making sense!! The solo wasn't just adding the layer that my brain thought was missing. Awesome!
I was also surprised I won't lie hahah
Meshuggah has been my all time favorite band since June 1995! Glad to see people finally getting it about them. For so many years I tried to show people them and they said they were just noise.
There's something kind of relieving in knowing that, many thousands of miles away, far smarter folks than myself also obsess over every little detail of rhythmic complexities like these.
I'm sure I'm not MAY thousands of miles away hahaha but FOR SURE !
@@YogevGabay Oh, I meant India because of konnakol. Now that I think about it, I guess I assumed you stayed in the states after Berklee. Thanks btw for all these extraordinary videos, it's been so fun and mind-blowing all along the way!
After hearing Tigran Hamasyan's version of Drip, featuring this vocalist and the Middle-Eastern Ensemble, I have hunted the web to find the actual name of this style and ultimately given up fruitless, Yogev!
Google doesn't really understand "taki-taki-du-dum-da-dum" as a search term. Thank you so much! :)
hahahahahaha well here's your answer !
Great video as usual, I think it's kinda cool that your series anniversary is also the 30th anniversary of Meshuggah's first album
Good call!
I love how this analysis feels like a fever dream
The post-solo riff is one of the grooviest riffs ever made, I wish they made it a full song instead of a small breakdown part.
I'm so happy he's bringing Konnakol on the channel... I've been fascinated in it for a while!
Could be the greatest deconstruction video - or just any video - ever. Bravo.
lyrics:
thakita thaka dimi thakita thakita thakita dimi
thakita thakita thaka dimi x3
thakita thakita thaka dimi thaka jonu
thakita thakita thaka dimi
thakita thakita thaka dimi
thakita thakita thaka dimi thaka jonu x2
thakita thakita
thakita thakita thaka dimi x2
thakita thakita thaka dimi
thakita thaka dimi x16
thakita thaka thakita
thakita thaka dimi x17
thakita thaka thaka dimi
The drum part in riff 4 is one of the best drum riffs in Meshuggah's history, IMO.
This is my favorite episode so far! I've been so interested in Indian music and tablas. What a fantastic bridge you've made! I feel like I've just learned a lot a not only a drummer, but as a world music novice. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
OH YES, I love this video, please more konnakol in the channel!!!
Hahaha that joke at the intro.
Amazing video, DREAT STUFF!!! Konnakol is way too hard. I have to search more info about it
00:19 "Hello boys and girls, ladies and djents"
Also, playing a shuggah-beat and casually fixing the arrangements of the cardboard pieces while doing so. Superflex.
You should do a collab with Mattias Eklundh. He's big into this stuff, and an excellent teacher. And Swedish :)
Yeeesss I need to get to him some how! I'll definitely try !
The first time I listened to konnakol my jaw dropped. Such an amazing music!
We dont deserve videos this well made.
Stengah was the first song I truly got an idea of what this band is and from that moment on I fell in love with Meshuggah still one of my favorite songs by them
I usually count like these:
D-d-djent, d-d-djent , brr-brr, beanie
Bambukah, bambukah, banana, banana
I pick up a pancake, pick up a pancake
Pick up a pancake, I pick up a pancake...
Only seen that demonstrated once before in "Life of Pi".
And this is what I figured it would work like. Interesting.
You should do a time consuming video on a vildjharta song!!!! That would be so cool
Which onneeee
@@YogevGabay dagger maybe? 😂😂 up to yiu
One of the coolest, best channels on UA-cam. Your vids are outstanding and are a great teaching tool. Love the way the information is presented. Keep 'em coming.
Glad you like them!
some deepweb rhythmic content here. thanks for the great vids again mate!
My pleasure!
I like the visuals of the circles better, and seeing "1,2,3," being counted out. I find that personally better to follow.
Stengah is my favorite song. LETS GOOO
You two work so well together❤️👍
Thanks for the lesson in south Indian percussion too😍
Love this guy !
And
Meshuggah is my all time favorite band since 1995.
keep the great content coming. I've loved these Meshuggah vids
You two need to do more of these, this is amazing
Yogev, So glad to have met you in the real at FGC 2023. Looking forward to seeing you again, hopefully closer to my home. Michael
😁❣🤘🙏
Yes yes! That camp was simply great wasn't it?!
I’ve been dreaming of this day. Thanks to you both!!!
Congrats on the Channelversary!
Thank you Yogev! I'm studying Konnakol to prepare my self for Freak Guitar Camp (2023) this August. I fortunately heard about you while watching IA (A.K.A Mattias Eklund). But YOU my friend are at this time, the only youtuber discussing Konnakol not boring the fuck out of me! And thank you to vocalist Rohith Jayaraman (I know I butchered it😮💨...I'm from NJ)) for making this exercise so learnable and fun (really)! Although I must admit I swore at Rohith several times as I attempted basic counting (NJ?) along w/ him. But press on I shall! Thanks again Yogev for all the content. /MG
Oh man you're VERY welcome !
And well, I will ask you to practice the stuff as well as you can because I'm gonna be testing you at the Freak Guitar Camp this year ! See you there !
Ahhh ...now I have to actually learn this...
My mind bleeds everytime I watch your videos and I enjoy licking the wound while trying to catch up.
Most Metal way to compliment someone. 666 !
I love your videos! Great work, great vision!
This is unreal. What an amazing service this is to all of us.
I should have expected that demystifying this song would make me like it more but for some reason I forgot.
Thanks for unlocking and sharing this!
Me: I really should go to bed. I have a long day of work tomorrow and the time is 01:30 AM.
My brain: 07:30
First got into this by way of Jonas Hellborg, Shawn Lane and their work with the Vinayakram family and Selva. Wish I had another lifetime to pursue it but even on my superficial level it's hugely useful and inspiring. Great vid!
What a team!! Incredible video and breakdown.
Honestly, you guys should be so proud that people come away from your videos thinking “I’ve learnt something today”, because I did for sure, and I do every time I finish a video. Very talented lads you are!
Also hooray I share my birthday with the channel! I’m a day late but happy birthday! :-D
Ohhhhhhh well happy birthday !!
And man, I'm so happy you learned something from this video that's exactly the goal !!
Epic! and thank you for the KONNAKOL education, fascinating!
This video makes me remember that you are the drummer for the Konnakol Nostrum cover!
Hell yeah man!!! Loved it. One of my favourite songs ever, explained with the help of one of my favourite taal systems ever. Thank you for this!
This is undeniably incredible! Great job!
What a fantastic team up!
So sick! You guys are great, learned so many little things I never understood about the song but just “knew” by feel lol. Dun dun...dun dun dun...braaaow...dun dun
Absolutely incredible! Probably one of the best videos uv done so far.
Glad you think so!
What I like the best on the intro riff, is the way the crash cymbal is driving the pattern in a straight 4/4 pulse...whatever everybody else is playing :-).
Another week, another great video! Thanks for the lesson in konnakol as well, I've learned the basics of Indian rhythmic solfege, but this has given me more understanding of it!
Btw, Stengah did an amazing job with the konnakol solo in Tigran Hamasyan's Drip!
Amazing work, as always !
Rohith Meshuggah should hire you as their Konnakolist.
Your channel is brilliant - a real gift to everyone who comes across it. Thanks a ton!
Glad you enjoy it!
You guys are amazing!)
When the ad that plays before a Yogev Gabay video is also Yogev Gabay. It's a pretty jamming tune too. I don't think I've ever watched an ad til the end before. Love your work, Yogev. Fist bump from the Philippines!
Stengah Is one my favorites for sure.
My favorite Meshuggah song! Thanks man!!! 🤘🏽🇲🇽
I love this breakdown. This is incredibly fascinating. Thank you for the work you do. Subscribed!
Awesome, thank you!
This is just fantastic. Thank you.
well basically I guess even Trilok Gurtu enjoys Meshuggah, this is EPIC
Thank you for doing my favourite song from my favourite Meshuggah album. Although, I'd like to give an honourable mention to rational gaze, perpetual black second, organic shadows, closed eye visuals, glints collide and straws pulled at random. ALL BANGERS.
This album is the grooviest thing ever created by the way. The funky high pitched snare, the grimy guitars, the hot sweaty tone and crusty production all contribute to make this album a masterpiece of chunky grooves from beginning to (almost the) end.
P.S I wish I could count like that. It would make this kind of music way easier to understand.
Oh you crazy lovely guys!! Amazing!
Just discovered your channel and having a blast with these Meshuggah breakdowns! Very well put together videos and explanations. Thank you, much love.
Ohhh thanks !! I'm happy you like them !
Woah, you've really gone next level on the mock instrument playing and the editing on this one. Great job!
Glad you like it!
It really inspires me to see and hear exactly what I've been struggling to fathom for like a decade
Bro u couldve just put pen to paper 10 years ago to break down the riff😂 u live in mystery
I've been hoping you'd cover Stengah! Amazing how I've been listening to this song for nearly 20 years and your video has helped me hear it in a new light and understand parts of it that have always baffled me. Thank you for the introduction to konnakol too, this was a brilliant way to explain what's going on, I will be practicing my thakita thakita thaka dimi's today!
YYEESSSS KONNAKOL IS GOLLDDDD
You guys went above and beyond the call of duty with this one. I'm subscribing even harder now!
hahahahah
Thank you for the great content, @Yogev
YESSS
you are doing gods work my man.
Absolutely brain melting!
Wow, cool video! I heard of this Konnakol before, and it's so awesome that you apply it to Meshuggah!
Glad you liked it!
This was splendid Yogev. You deserve every ounce of success you've had in the past year-here's to consuming much more of everyone's time in the years to come!
Also, do you have any plans to do more videos on hip hop tracks with complex rhythms? Your clipping. video is still one of my favorites....
Thanks !
And yes for sure, but I need tofind some examples. Have any?
I know Story 7 has some cool stuff in it I need to give to a listen.
I love dealing with non metal stuff !
Best video yet. Great job. My favorite Meshuggah and my first time learning about konnakol
Thank you very much!
best thing about your channel is that you dont share your music knowledge alone, you share it with friends, and by that introduce us to other exellent musicians. thanks Yogev!
Dude, I have smart friends, no reason to not have them on hahahahaha Happy you like it !
Great video, as always! It’s cool to see the Konnakol alongside the more ‘western’ approach to counting.
I appreciate the added comedy as well, especially since I suck at adding any comedy to my own videos!
Man thanks and yeah its way harder than I thought hahahha
Man, this has been my favourite riff since I discovered Meshuggah about 3 weeks ago. It really threw me. Then I watched this video, and it's like a door opening, and it now makes perfect sense, and I can jump in on the beat at any point in the intro. I love it. Best riff ever.
Thank you so much, Yogev. It is an awesome thing you are doing.
You're welcome my man !
Going to see Meshuggah at a festival later this week, thank you for providing the ability to headbang on beat sir.
Love this channel. So cool to see complex music broken down for idiots like me who have no idea how the theory side of music works but always liked it anyway. Would love to see you break down a Car Bomb song in future! Anything off Meta or Mordial pretty pls :) xxxxxxxxxx
8:49 Bruh, thanks so much for covering that part ❤
Brilliant video and explanation!
Best wishes :)
This is the single most educational channel on youtube. Cheers, mate!
Thanks man !!