Thank you JT for having Gareth on. Great to hear from someone - like yourself who fought hard for your rights , only for the TQ cult to hijack it. I am a heterosexual married man, but have had good colleagues & friends who are gay. Everyone should be treated with dignity, but equally when it goes too far the other way it has to be called out. Thank you JT & Gareth 👍
In my opinion, the ‘TQ’ haven’t hijacked anything, they’ve always been there, it’s just now is the time when people are becoming more aware of them. I lived in Soho for many years, and the “gay scene” was a mix of so many people, all of whom were welcomed
Great interview. I would like to back up something Gareth mentioned. Back in the day (80s/90s) I delivered our training on our local Gay Switchboard and always invited along the local TV/TS Group to talk about transvestism and transexualism, because we would occasionally receive calls from straight transvestites as there was no self-organised TV/TS Switchboard, they only had a monthly dressed meeting. In a decade, we never received an invitation to speak to them as they very clearly stated that their members did NOT want to be associated with gay men. I used to join these guys at the social after the monthly meeting, whete some brought along their wives or girlfriends. It was in a small gay bar, and those socials were great fun, though I can tell you, none of those guys were 'liberal', they were an extremely conservative group of men, but they could drink...
Hi there Sophia! Thank you for watching and for commenting, welcome to Who's VIews and a personal "thank you" for being on the switchboards in the 80s/90s!
Many thanks JT and Gareth. I found this discussion informative and educational . As a somewhat clueless straight old guy this was a welcome learning experience. It certainly hits home JT's frustration of what seems to be going on at the moment. I recently commented that "diversity" has become politicised and weaponised. Gareth explained it so much better than I ever could. I hope many people see this video and share it.
Good point about Terry Nation and his ilk of scriptwriters. Where is the inspiration for any aspiring script writer to go into an industry so controlled by 'show runners' who are unwilling to challenge current narratives? It'd be like going to work with the pod people in Invasion of the Body Snatchers. If you let slip that you've got a mind and opinions of your own you'd be out of work and not called for more work - as is demonstrably true. There is no conspiracy theory handwaving that can deny that diversity of opinion has died a death in the media.
@@guylambert3821 Nation's non-Dalek stories (Keys of Marinus, The Android Invasion) weren't the strongest. Nation died nearly thirty years ago and TV scripting has changed a hell of a lot in the interim, rightly or wrongly.
@@robalexander8065 As an adventure Keys of Marinus is a perfectly satisfying tale, but it also features an episode about blind ignorance and indoctrination, so it weaves in some worthwhile social points too. The point in regard to current commissioning of scripts is that I find it very hard to believe that RTD (who is all for political messaging) would seek a script from someone who doesn't share his politics. Letts employed Hulke; they didn't share the same politics, yet they created memorable television.
@@harnois75 Fair points, well.made. The combination of Terrance Dicks and Barry Letts, who also had opposing political views, created one of THE best eras of the show. The combination of Dicks and his mentor Mac Hulke, created one of THE best serials in the show, it really shouldn't work at 10 episodes but The War Games is phenomenally well-written and acted. Truly gripping TV. To be fair, it is a while since I watched Keys, I think a re-watch is on the cards. I love the first half of The Android Invasion, it is so well established and Letts gets just the right level of suspenseful tension but the whole thing then falls apart in parts three and four sadly.
Thank you JT for having this sitdown with Gareth. Very very interesting. Has RTD watched this?? No I don't suppose he has...I do think he MUST watch this insightful Interview, because RTD is doing the total opposite when it comes to his attitude towards the Audience.
A fantastic interview JT, It is almost as if you and Gareth can read my mind about the issues discussed. It is reassuring that others share the same values and beliefs as oneself. No ranting, screaming and shouting but a civil, calm chat about serious issues, a rare thing to see, so credit to you and Gareath.
Hi Stephen, thank you mate - I'm reassured that there are many people who can see through the Ideological dictates, so we are absolutely not alone. The issue is of course, people are terrified of speaking out and challenging the nonsense. Truly worrying times. SO glad you enjoyed the chat!
As a new subscriber to the channel (arrived here today 😊), I fell in love with your content immediately. This is my 2nd vid… and 20 mins into your interview with Gareth, I’m in tears. As a gay man of a similar age to you both, I had started to think I was alone about certain issues… 20 minutes was all it took me to place an order for Gareth’s book. Thank you to you both for being fearless to discuss something that is so desperately needed to be discussed. And yes, I remember those evenings in the New Union too 😂 💕
Hiya! Welcome to Who's Views! So lovely to hear from you and no! You are not alone! SO glad you have found us. Hope to see you on our live shows in the chat! JT
I’m a straight male, and read this book last week. Been a fan of Gareth Roberts’ since the early 90s and The Highest Science NA novel. He’s magnificent and a true hero in the science fiction world. As others on here have Gareth should be show runner for Doctor Who. This video has been a very informative view of the LGB world from and will be worth repeated viewing in years to come as I hope this madness is now turning a corner. Always had time for Gareth, he speak so much sense. Thank you for this video.
Hi there and thank you so much for watching and commenting. I hope you are right .. as a gay man I can say I am very worried about what lies ahead in the near future!
Hi there and thanks for watching and commenting! Your opinion does matter though and it is vital that everyone knows what is happening - this isn't just an issue for LGB and LGBTQIAA++++ it effects heterosexuals too!
This is a brilliant. Gareth is an engaging interviewee and this is a massively important subject to broach. As a SWM, others may think that I have no skin in the game but women’s and gay rights being attacked affects EVERYONE. Thank you for this!
Hi there and welcome to Who's Views. SWM are so important in this nonsense we find ourselves in and it also effects you. More and more men are becoming aware now thankfully. Thanks for watching!
Well worth exploring many women’s views that it’s not attacking their rights at all, whereas men like Graham Linehan will attack them as “handmaidens” for daring to question what he’s saying. Gay rights aren’t impacted at all. There isn’t a single right a gay man has that has been removed because of trans, queer or any other person, hence why nothing is mentioned here.
WOW thank you for this, its so reassuring to hear that others see all of this for what it is and its not just me and my circle of friends & family... i have just ordered Gareths book and WILL be sharing this video to everyone I can.
Great interview JT. I got the audiobook (he’s a lovely reading voice) and the interview is a nice supplement…thought you covered a lot of ground in relation to its inspiration..and a lot of colour about GR’s experience. I really liked his remarks about the “Gay Community” / “Gay Population” - reminded me of one Terry Pratchett’s characters who thought the use of the word ‘community’ seemed always to imply his exclusion from it. Thanks!
Im Bi, but I met quite a few gay guys in the early 00s who said you're either gay or straight, which surprised me as I thought they'd be more accepting.
Hmmm... many of the younger prissy lot that suddenly appeared during the 00s followed a more delusioned mindset. I met plenty that felt it was all about them. Totally unaware of the achievements of those before them that fought for the priviledges they took for granted. A lot wouldn't acknowledge anyone over 25 years old. I don't know what sort of parents they had!
@@WhosViews which is what one of your main problems with this is, isn’t it? The idea that these young people should somehow be worshipping you and doing what you tell them to do, instead of thinking for themselves. I remember when I lived in Soho and there were a lot of older gay men who would sneer at us younger folk having fun. Given what you and Gareth have said in the video, you contributed nothing to the progress of gay rights, unlike Michael Cashman who is rather bitchily mocked in the video, but somehow you think you should be hailed as heroes. For what? Let young people find their own ways to express themselves, why do you constantly feel the need to sneer?
Gareth makes a comment near the start about how fandom has always been massively 'diverse'. And why shouldn't it be? One thing I discovered (eventually) is that your sexuality doesn't actually make you interesting. Being interesting makes you interesting. So you dip your toes into fandom and start talking to a random you just met and next thing you are doing is explaining why Anderson was never Dredd's rookie but it doesn't matter in the movie because they get so much else completely right before explaining in extended details how Fallout New Vegas isn't as good as people claim but has the greatest DLC in the franchise. Being interesting makes you interesting. Unless you are trying to cast for a porn shoot or pull a one night stand your sexual preference isn't really that important. This is why I can't see why LQWERTY can ever consider themselves an actual community. All they have in common is they are 'Not Straight' and once you get past that many actually hate the other letters. Got the book on order. Hasn't dropped in Australia yet.
The problem is that a significant number of people find LGBTQ+ people’s sexuality interesting, to the point where they use it against us to remove our rights or commit violent attacks. It’s no surprise that people who suffered and continue to suffer that find refuge in groups, and find themselves free to express who they are.
The alleged 'activists' seem to feel they represent the T community or the TQI+ community, yet from my experience the majority of Transgenders want nothing to do with them!
This sounds very much like when gay rights began, including the teaching of gay relationships and then the introduction of gay marriage. It’s a shame that JT and Gareth can’t see the very clear parallels and how they’re not demonising a group of people who’ve done no harm to them at all
@@WhosViewsabsolutely. The reason I left any affiliation to lgbt about 20 years ago was because of activists. Fine try to get rights and some sense of inclusivity but the group still need a lot of private space to get over their generational trauma. It’s certainly a great source of anger and defensiveness. There’s nothing wrong with transgender individuals and the research behind it certainly makes you rethink what we ‘believe’ about sexual biology but I find the same. Allot of them don’t ‘identify’ with anything and just want to integrate and get on with their lives.
Hi JT, what a great interview. As a straight man myself, it is so refreshing to see two genuine people - either of which I would be honoured to call a friend - and who have a dog in the fight, talk common sense in an open forum. I don’t believe (thankfully) that many people these days have any issues with homosexuality or trans issues, but I do believe most people have an issue with the woke cult, and particularly pushing the latter as the norm! You are both inspirations, thank you.❤
What a refreshing change to listen to an intelligent conversation as opposed to sanctimonious preaching by self-identifying victims. I hope David Tennant watches this. Gareth was a brilliant writer of great DW. Is was sad to lose his talents by the appalling way he was patronised and basically booted out.
@@WhosViews I think that would be tremendous. These topics should be discussed with civility and that is more what annoyed me about Tennnt's comments, the way he went about deliverying them; they were very aggressive and he made it personal.
No. I’m bisexual, although probably pansexual, either way it’s had zero impact on my life other than people like Graham Linehan calling me a “groomer” and the LGB Alliance telling bisexuals that gays and lesbians have never liked us in their spaces and we’re “offensive”.
Great interview Gareth's spot on, I woked retail for years and worked with a lot of gay men get we would often see cross dressing, older, men come into our shop and they were always hetrosexual.
Received my copy of the book yesterday and even though I'm straight ,it's a really interesting read and can be very funny too. I really recommend no matter where you stand,give it a read
@@DrWhoFanJ This wonderful book and the events happening around us, plus your comment show that in reality, you are wrong. Whether you like it or not, #LGBwithouttheTQ then, now, tomorrow. Same sex attracted issues are nothing to do with gender issues and everything right of the B is heterosexual. I politely suggest you read the book and do the research.
@@WhosViews No need. I’ve already heard enough to know that it’s based on the same lies you’re spouting here. I briefly subscribed to your channel after watching your reviews of the Peter Cushing films, and then promptly unsubscribed once I realised you actually believe the nonsense you’re spouting here.
@dougsims4242 not ageist at all. Hell I'm damn near 40 and I don't even understand what these kids want today. I don't think they even know what they want. And I'm not talking about how they present or whatever. But out of life. Look around you dude, how could they know what they want when their elders cry about tv shows on UA-cam 😐
I watched all of this and found it very interesting. I think Gareth is a very talented man and my past experiences with him were always very positive. However, I just don’t understand where either of you are coming from. Sure, you fundamentally disagree with it all, but what’s the problem? Of course, this is something relatively new and society needs to work out the details of how to make it work. That’s what happens when society changes. But there’s a trans person living down the road from me, and it’s not a problem. I just worked with a trans person on something, and it wasn’t a problem. There’s a trans woman in the WI, and it’s not a problem. A younger relative goes to school with a trans girl, and it’s not a problem. I sometimes mess up the new pronouns of a person I know, and it’s not a problem. The idea that young people are somehow deluded and it’s a phase etc is exactly what people have said to people who aren’t straight for years. Over-50s have always said “I don’t understand you young people”, that’s part of getting older. But so what? Why does that bother you so much? And when it comes down to being gay or lesbian etc, who is stopping you living your life and wanting to be identified as homosexual? It’s like when some straight people complained about gay marriage because it would somehow ruin their own marriage. It doesn’t impact on you at all. To be blunt, it’s not like you’re off down the nightclub and being hit on my someone trans. Even if that did happen, a polite “you’re not my type, sorry” isn’t wrong to say. You don’t have to be attracted to anyone you don’t want to be, let alone go any further. What does impact on all of us is this obsession with the idea that someone “leave the kids alone” (to quote you from the Tennant video). The opposition to LGBTQ+ materials in schools is being fuelled by some gay men and people like Graham Linehan accusing us of being “groomers”. Yet when one talks to kids, they know all sorts of things we never knew at their age. They’re not phased by what they learn, it doesn’t change them in the same way endless straight couples in movies clearly had no impact on you. Let’s not try and pretend that any of this bigotry from people who have always been bigoted against LGB people is somehow simply because a trans person has been on TV. If it is, then their alleged allyship was pretty shallow if they’re now ditching you the minute they found a vaguely valid reason to do so. I’m not trying to be rude here, but I just don’t get it. I’m not a Christian but I’m not fussed by people who are, so why is this such a big deal? I listened to all 73 mins of this, and I’m still none the wiser other than you simply don’t agree with it all and you don’t like some of the people who campaign for it. I don’t agree with a lot of things in life, I don’t like the way some people on “your side” speak about trans people and openly attack young people on Twitter to make themselves look funny or better, but I don’t go on podcasts telling people they’re deluded and that they’re fundamentally wrong and one day they’ll wake up realising that “they’ve been taken for a mug”. I respect the fact that both of you have very different ways of seeing this than I do, that’s up to you, but I don’t understand where the anger and resentment is coming from. Thanks.
Yes. There are so few trans people, how can they be so upsetting to people? I only know one person who is trans -- don't know his/her name -- works at a Bank I occasionally go to. Seems normal enough. Why would this threaten me, why would I "challenge" them? Lol.
Well said, Guy. I'm only halfway through the video at the moment, and although, yes, it's a fascinating discussion, it does seem to boil down to little more than "Well it weren't like that in my day. Nothing against 'em, good luck to 'em, but I don't want it shoving down my throat..." ;-)
@@MrGroovyHouse-fe4cw I do find that a lot of people who have issues with the way things are going are essentially saying, “Why are those young people having lots of fun and sex when they should be coming to my house to praise me for my (minor/non-existent) contribution to the gay rights movement.”
@@MrGroovyHouse-fe4cwmight be worth reading the book if you haven’t. The discussion is taking that as read. Both literally and figuratively for once…which is nice.
Just catching up with this. Gareth is such an interesting and engaging person and this is a very watchable interview, JT! What happened to Gareth is really deplorable. I am encouraging as many of my friends and fellow Who fans to watch this interview. I also think some of those who so readily cancelled Gareth or went along with it, should watch this. Give the guy a fair hearing instead of blindly following the sheep-like cancel culture brigade!! Far too many critics and detractors of perfectly reasonable TV, films and books seek to cancel without really, properly taking time to examine and understand the other side of the coin. Sadly we are seeing a generation of (mainly) youngsters, who cannot disseminate culture correctly. View everything literally without nuance and through a very limited social and political prism. They refuse to allow more than one side of a story to be examined much less understood. I fear for the future of those trying to inspire and entertain us. Humourless activists with tunnel vision, who can only see a world that satisfies their own selfish views are systematically ruining it for those of us who can see the world in 3D snd enjoy differences of ideas and opinions. Thanks JT amd Gareth Roberts! Rob.
Cheers for watching and commenting Rob and thank you for encouraging others to watch it! There was no reason at all for Gareth's treatment (still ongoing as with many of us)!
While I strongly believe in freedom of speech and all opinions are valid. I think the last decade or so has seen far too many similar and not entirely sane views being given far too much credence and publicity. A vocal minority has steered the conversation of the majority for too long and damagingly so. I agree with Gareth that if Labour can achieve a large majority, they won't have to listen to the activists quite so much - if at all for that matter. I have daily conversations with my teenage nephew and nieces (two of whom are old enough to vote for the first time) about the election and although they, almost inevitability, subscribe to some of the ideology discussed, they are realistic enough to see the nuanced manifesto Labour is putting forward. They seem to recognise Labour is more centrist in poltical stance, than the traditional left wing image it usually evokes. A lot of first-time voters are approaching the Election with the conviction that Labour is still VERY left wing and very supportive of the issues that activists would have you believe are really "vital". In truth, Labour have repositioned to appeal more to the neo liberal/radical wing of the Tory faithful, in much the same way Tony Blair did in 1997. Whether it is simply a ploy to seem "electable" (as it was then, albeit a hugely successful one) or whether they genuinely will govern with a more authoritarian approach, remains to be seen. I believe a great many youngsters may find themselves disappointed by the Labour Government but equally the country is crying out for change and to truly deliver that, the new Government needs as broad an appeal as possible. In short, and to use a Who analogy, Steven Moffat recognised (and is on record as saying as much)- Doctor Who needs to appeal to readers of the Daily Mail, just as much as those of The Guardian and The Mirror, in order to have a truly broad, "mainstream BBC1" success. RTD seems convinced it should plough a very niche furrow, appealing to youngsters under 30, who are likely to already be activists or the potential activists of tomorrow. This is very different from RTD's feel for his audience in 2005. He was genuinely nervous the show would be a success and approached it with a very broad brush to gather as many viewers as possible. If only he would realise that is exactly what the show needs once more.
What a fantastic interview, thank you gentlemen. This discussion made me feel less lonely in this world, and I’m heterosexual!!!
Oh my God, thank you for having him on. I was literally thinking about writing an email to youse suggesting you should have this man on fantastic.
Thank you for watching and glad you enjoyed it!
What a gorgeous surprise! Gareth Roberts is a legend, and his book is so worth reading.
Hello there! Thank you for watching and so glad you enjoyed it?
Thank you JT for having Gareth on. Great to hear from someone - like yourself who fought hard for your rights , only for the TQ cult to hijack it.
I am a heterosexual married man, but have had good colleagues & friends who are gay. Everyone should be treated with dignity, but equally when it goes too far the other way it has to be called out.
Thank you JT & Gareth 👍
Thanks for watching Michael! It was a pleasure to have Gareth join us! Make sure you tell your friends to watch!
In my opinion, the ‘TQ’ haven’t hijacked anything, they’ve always been there, it’s just now is the time when people are becoming more aware of them. I lived in Soho for many years, and the “gay scene” was a mix of so many people, all of whom were welcomed
Well said Michael mate👍
Great interview. I would like to back up something Gareth mentioned. Back in the day (80s/90s) I delivered our training on our local Gay Switchboard and always invited along the local TV/TS Group to talk about transvestism and transexualism, because we would occasionally receive calls from straight transvestites as there was no self-organised TV/TS Switchboard, they only had a monthly dressed meeting. In a decade, we never received an invitation to speak to them as they very clearly stated that their members did NOT want to be associated with gay men. I used to join these guys at the social after the monthly meeting, whete some brought along their wives or girlfriends. It was in a small gay bar, and those socials were great fun, though I can tell you, none of those guys were 'liberal', they were an extremely conservative group of men, but they could drink...
Hi there Sophia! Thank you for watching and for commenting, welcome to Who's VIews and a personal "thank you" for being on the switchboards in the 80s/90s!
Many thanks JT and Gareth. I found this discussion informative and educational . As a somewhat clueless straight old guy this was a welcome learning experience. It certainly hits home JT's frustration of what seems to be going on at the moment.
I recently commented that "diversity"
has become politicised and weaponised. Gareth explained it so much better than I ever could. I hope many people see this video and share it.
Thank you Doug! The book itself is a fantastic read. It should be in libraries and in young adult resources.
Same here Doug, Gareth & JT know first hand what it was like and to see what it's now become is heartbreaking 👍
@@michaelwebster8666👍
Good point about Terry Nation and his ilk of scriptwriters. Where is the inspiration for any aspiring script writer to go into an industry so controlled by 'show runners' who are unwilling to challenge current narratives? It'd be like going to work with the pod people in Invasion of the Body Snatchers. If you let slip that you've got a mind and opinions of your own you'd be out of work and not called for more work - as is demonstrably true. There is no conspiracy theory handwaving that can deny that diversity of opinion has died a death in the media.
I didn’t understand this at all. Why wouldn’t Terry Nation work in the U.K. now? What aspect of his work somehow makes him unemployable in 2024?
This sounds silly. Sorry. It's the kind of paranoid, conspiracy-type stuff that I hear from Flat Earthers about why "the truth is being suppressed".
@@guylambert3821 Nation's non-Dalek stories (Keys of Marinus, The Android Invasion) weren't the strongest. Nation died nearly thirty years ago and TV scripting has changed a hell of a lot in the interim, rightly or wrongly.
@@robalexander8065 As an adventure Keys of Marinus is a perfectly satisfying tale, but it also features an episode about blind ignorance and indoctrination, so it weaves in some worthwhile social points too. The point in regard to current commissioning of scripts is that I find it very hard to believe that RTD (who is all for political messaging) would seek a script from someone who doesn't share his politics. Letts employed Hulke; they didn't share the same politics, yet they created memorable television.
@@harnois75 Fair points, well.made. The combination of Terrance Dicks and Barry Letts, who also had opposing political views, created one of THE best eras of the show. The combination of Dicks and his mentor Mac Hulke, created one of THE best serials in the show, it really shouldn't work at 10 episodes but The War Games is phenomenally well-written and acted. Truly gripping TV.
To be fair, it is a while since I watched Keys, I think a re-watch is on the cards. I love the first half of The Android Invasion, it is so well established and Letts gets just the right level of suspenseful tension but the whole thing then falls apart in parts three and four sadly.
Wonderful interview, he has already been interviewed by the Free Speech Union of which I am a member. Gareth is a great human being.
Even as a straight man. I find this still very interesting.
You don’t have to be gay or straight it’s just an interesting conversation
Gareth Roberts should be showrunner of DrWho not RTD. Married straight man, will read this book. Great interview JT!
Thanks Stephen, glad you found it interesting!
Absolutely great idea.
Can you please kidnap Gareth for subsequent streams. 😂 Doctor Who thoughts would be amazing.
Thank you JT for having this sitdown with Gareth. Very very interesting. Has RTD watched this?? No I don't suppose he has...I do think he MUST watch this insightful Interview, because RTD is doing the total opposite when it comes to his attitude towards the Audience.
A fantastic interview JT, It is almost as if you and Gareth can read my mind about the issues discussed. It is reassuring that others share the same values and beliefs as oneself. No ranting, screaming and shouting but a civil, calm chat about serious issues, a rare thing to see, so credit to you and Gareath.
Hi Stephen, thank you mate - I'm reassured that there are many people who can see through the Ideological dictates, so we are absolutely not alone. The issue is of course, people are terrified of speaking out and challenging the nonsense. Truly worrying times. SO glad you enjoyed the chat!
As a new subscriber to the channel (arrived here today 😊), I fell in love with your content immediately. This is my 2nd vid… and 20 mins into your interview with Gareth, I’m in tears. As a gay man of a similar age to you both, I had started to think I was alone about certain issues… 20 minutes was all it took me to place an order for Gareth’s book. Thank you to you both for being fearless to discuss something that is so desperately needed to be discussed. And yes, I remember those evenings in the New Union too 😂 💕
Hiya! Welcome to Who's Views! So lovely to hear from you and no! You are not alone! SO glad you have found us. Hope to see you on our live shows in the chat! JT
YANA! 💞✌️
I’m a straight male, and read this book last week. Been a fan of Gareth Roberts’ since the early 90s and The Highest Science NA novel. He’s magnificent and a true hero in the science fiction world. As others on here have Gareth should be show runner for Doctor Who. This video has been a very informative view of the LGB world from and will be worth repeated viewing in years to come as I hope this madness is now turning a corner. Always had time for Gareth, he speak so much sense. Thank you for this video.
Hi there and thank you so much for watching and commenting. I hope you are right .. as a gay man I can say I am very worried about what lies ahead in the near future!
A fabulous and fascinating conversation. Many thanks, JT and Gareth.
Thank you CD!
Gareth Roberts rules ❤️
I loooooove your intro!
Thank you!
As a straight, white, middle-aged man, I appreciate my opinion doesn't matter, but I found this discussion fascinating.
Hi there and thanks for watching and commenting! Your opinion does matter though and it is vital that everyone knows what is happening - this isn't just an issue for LGB and LGBTQIAA++++ it effects heterosexuals too!
Been waiting for this 🎉
Hope you enjoy it!
This is a brilliant. Gareth is an engaging interviewee and this is a massively important subject to broach. As a SWM, others may think that I have no skin in the game but women’s and gay rights being attacked affects EVERYONE. Thank you for this!
Hi there and welcome to Who's Views. SWM are so important in this nonsense we find ourselves in and it also effects you. More and more men are becoming aware now thankfully. Thanks for watching!
Well worth exploring many women’s views that it’s not attacking their rights at all, whereas men like Graham Linehan will attack them as “handmaidens” for daring to question what he’s saying. Gay rights aren’t impacted at all. There isn’t a single right a gay man has that has been removed because of trans, queer or any other person, hence why nothing is mentioned here.
Fantastic interview, JT. The best I've seen with Gareth about this subject yet. You did a superb job.
Wow! That's amazing of you to say that, thank you so much!
WOW thank you for this, its so reassuring to hear that others see all of this for what it is and its not just me and my circle of friends & family... i have just ordered Gareths book and WILL be sharing this video to everyone I can.
Thank you mate, appreciate that and you are definately not alone. You'll love the book!
Great interview JT. I got the audiobook (he’s a lovely reading voice) and the interview is a nice supplement…thought you covered a lot of ground in relation to its inspiration..and a lot of colour about GR’s experience. I really liked his remarks about the “Gay Community” / “Gay Population” - reminded me of one Terry Pratchett’s characters who thought the use of the word ‘community’ seemed always to imply his exclusion from it. Thanks!
Thanks AvonBlake!
Im Bi, but I met quite a few gay guys in the early 00s who said you're either gay or straight, which surprised me as I thought they'd be more accepting.
Hmmm... many of the younger prissy lot that suddenly appeared during the 00s followed a more delusioned mindset. I met plenty that felt it was all about them. Totally unaware of the achievements of those before them that fought for the priviledges they took for granted. A lot wouldn't acknowledge anyone over 25 years old. I don't know what sort of parents they had!
@@WhosViews which is what one of your main problems with this is, isn’t it? The idea that these young people should somehow be worshipping you and doing what you tell them to do, instead of thinking for themselves. I remember when I lived in Soho and there were a lot of older gay men who would sneer at us younger folk having fun. Given what you and Gareth have said in the video, you contributed nothing to the progress of gay rights, unlike Michael Cashman who is rather bitchily mocked in the video, but somehow you think you should be hailed as heroes. For what? Let young people find their own ways to express themselves, why do you constantly feel the need to sneer?
Bugger I missed this I am watching it now grrr
Unless I am dumb and this was recorded lol
@@kevinpope1297 You are dumb lol. It was pre-recorded.
Pre recorded 🩶@@kevinpope1297
Thanks JT (just got yourself a sub), and thanks Gareth (just got yourself a sale). Sanity will prevail! ✊
Thank you Charlie, welcome onboard! Hope you enjoy Gareth's book as much as I did. I look forward to the day when realism returns to society....
Excellent interview JT and on a conversation that definitely needed to be had. Go Gareth!
Glad you enjoyed, thanks for joining us!
Gareth makes a comment near the start about how fandom has always been massively 'diverse'.
And why shouldn't it be? One thing I discovered (eventually) is that your sexuality doesn't actually make you interesting. Being interesting makes you interesting. So you dip your toes into fandom and start talking to a random you just met and next thing you are doing is explaining why Anderson was never Dredd's rookie but it doesn't matter in the movie because they get so much else completely right before explaining in extended details how Fallout New Vegas isn't as good as people claim but has the greatest DLC in the franchise.
Being interesting makes you interesting. Unless you are trying to cast for a porn shoot or pull a one night stand your sexual preference isn't really that important. This is why I can't see why LQWERTY can ever consider themselves an actual community. All they have in common is they are 'Not Straight' and once you get past that many actually hate the other letters.
Got the book on order. Hasn't dropped in Australia yet.
The problem is that a significant number of people find LGBTQ+ people’s sexuality interesting, to the point where they use it against us to remove our rights or commit violent attacks. It’s no surprise that people who suffered and continue to suffer that find refuge in groups, and find themselves free to express who they are.
Fantastic stuff ! Thanks JT and Gareth. Totally buying the book😊
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So excited to watch this!
Wasn't it brilliant! x
Hooray! 🎉🎉🎉
Thanks Pete
That was an interesting listen.
Brilliant episode thank you JT & team & Gareth ❤
Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed.
I will definitely watch it tomorrow 🙂. Thanks 🙏🏻.
Informative and witty interview. Thanks JT and Gareth.
Thank you Matthew!
Mr Menno is hilarious! Go and have a listen to "In the Ladies" and have a spare pair of dry undies at the ready! 😂
Mr Menno is fabulous!! His wee tunes often cheer me up in these crazy times!
Great guest, great interview!
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GO ON JT SON ME AUD MUKKA
1% trying to normalise their behaviour while also trying to undermine and demonise the behaviour of the 99%
The alleged 'activists' seem to feel they represent the T community or the TQI+ community, yet from my experience the majority of Transgenders want nothing to do with them!
This sounds very much like when gay rights began, including the teaching of gay relationships and then the introduction of gay marriage. It’s a shame that JT and Gareth can’t see the very clear parallels and how they’re not demonising a group of people who’ve done no harm to them at all
@@WhosViewsabsolutely. The reason I left any affiliation to lgbt about 20 years ago was because of activists. Fine try to get rights and some sense of inclusivity but the group still need a lot of private space to get over their generational trauma. It’s certainly a great source of anger and defensiveness. There’s nothing wrong with transgender individuals and the research behind it certainly makes you rethink what we ‘believe’ about sexual biology but I find the same. Allot of them don’t ‘identify’ with anything and just want to integrate and get on with their lives.
Hi JT, what a great interview. As a straight man myself, it is so refreshing to see two genuine people - either of which I would be honoured to call a friend - and who have a dog in the fight, talk common sense in an open forum. I don’t believe (thankfully) that many people these days have any issues with homosexuality or trans issues, but I do believe most people have an issue with the woke cult, and particularly pushing the latter as the norm! You are both inspirations, thank you.❤
Hiya and wow! What a lovely message, thank you so much, really appreciate that! Glad to have you here mate!
There is no "woke cult". No-one is "pushing" being transgender as "the norm".
Gareth is a treasure
A joy to chat to him!
@WhosViews it was a wonderful interview
@@benfisher1376 Thank you
What a refreshing change to listen to an intelligent conversation as opposed to sanctimonious preaching by self-identifying victims. I hope David Tennant watches this. Gareth was a brilliant writer of great DW. Is was sad to lose his talents by the appalling way he was patronised and basically booted out.
Tennant would be welcome on this show for a discussion. I have several chums who would like to join that .
@@WhosViews I think that would be tremendous. These topics should be discussed with civility and that is more what annoyed me about Tennnt's comments, the way he went about deliverying them; they were very aggressive and he made it personal.
Fellas thanks a lot for this.
Thank you for watching and commenting!
A really interesting conversation JT ,and thanks to Gareth for taking the time to appear.
Thanks for watching mate!
Really interesting JT!
Thank you!
I am half way through but one question do you think today's agenda is setting back LGB rights perseptions 10 30 years?
TOTALLY!!!
No. I’m bisexual, although probably pansexual, either way it’s had zero impact on my life other than people like Graham Linehan calling me a “groomer” and the LGB Alliance telling bisexuals that gays and lesbians have never liked us in their spaces and we’re “offensive”.
Really good convo.
@@kevinpope1297 Thanks for watching!
No, absolutely not
Great interview Gareth's spot on, I woked retail for years and worked with a lot of gay men get we would often see cross dressing, older, men come into our shop and they were always hetrosexual.
Thanks for watching!
Received my copy of the book yesterday and even though I'm straight ,it's a really interesting read and can be very funny too. I really recommend no matter where you stand,give it a read
It's a cracking read!
I was thinking im crazy for only supporting LGB. Form one straight guy thank you
You're not crazy, you're appreciated. Thanks for watching and commenting!
You’re certainly wrong. #NoLGBWithoutTheTQ+
@@DrWhoFanJ This wonderful book and the events happening around us, plus your comment show that in reality, you are wrong. Whether you like it or not, #LGBwithouttheTQ then, now, tomorrow. Same sex attracted issues are nothing to do with gender issues and everything right of the B is heterosexual. I politely suggest you read the book and do the research.
@@WhosViews No need. I’ve already heard enough to know that it’s based on the same lies you’re spouting here.
I briefly subscribed to your channel after watching your reviews of the Peter Cushing films, and then promptly unsubscribed once I realised you actually believe the nonsense you’re spouting here.
@@DrWhoFanJ I really don't care.
I have never liked the phrase "gay community" -- there are lots of differences in us that the term obscures
A great chat JT and Gareth, thanks.
Thank you mate, hope you well!
I like how two old guys act like they know what the young kids want today
RTD and David Tennant?
@@harnois75 fiddle dee and fiddle dum from this video.
@@KadeSmash And yet you like it. Are you generally this confused about life?
@@KadeSmashAgeist much? Did we watch the same discussion? I saw 2 intelligent men stating facts and sharing experiences. Age doesn't come into it?
@dougsims4242 not ageist at all. Hell I'm damn near 40 and I don't even understand what these kids want today. I don't think they even know what they want. And I'm not talking about how they present or whatever. But out of life.
Look around you dude, how could they know what they want when their elders cry about tv shows on UA-cam 😐
I watched all of this and found it very interesting. I think Gareth is a very talented man and my past experiences with him were always very positive. However, I just don’t understand where either of you are coming from. Sure, you fundamentally disagree with it all, but what’s the problem?
Of course, this is something relatively new and society needs to work out the details of how to make it work. That’s what happens when society changes. But there’s a trans person living down the road from me, and it’s not a problem. I just worked with a trans person on something, and it wasn’t a problem. There’s a trans woman in the WI, and it’s not a problem. A younger relative goes to school with a trans girl, and it’s not a problem. I sometimes mess up the new pronouns of a person I know, and it’s not a problem.
The idea that young people are somehow deluded and it’s a phase etc is exactly what people have said to people who aren’t straight for years. Over-50s have always said “I don’t understand you young people”, that’s part of getting older. But so what? Why does that bother you so much?
And when it comes down to being gay or lesbian etc, who is stopping you living your life and wanting to be identified as homosexual? It’s like when some straight people complained about gay marriage because it would somehow ruin their own marriage. It doesn’t impact on you at all. To be blunt, it’s not like you’re off down the nightclub and being hit on my someone trans. Even if that did happen, a polite “you’re not my type, sorry” isn’t wrong to say. You don’t have to be attracted to anyone you don’t want to be, let alone go any further.
What does impact on all of us is this obsession with the idea that someone “leave the kids alone” (to quote you from the Tennant video). The opposition to LGBTQ+ materials in schools is being fuelled by some gay men and people like Graham Linehan accusing us of being “groomers”. Yet when one talks to kids, they know all sorts of things we never knew at their age. They’re not phased by what they learn, it doesn’t change them in the same way endless straight couples in movies clearly had no impact on you. Let’s not try and pretend that any of this bigotry from people who have always been bigoted against LGB people is somehow simply because a trans person has been on TV. If it is, then their alleged allyship was pretty shallow if they’re now ditching you the minute they found a vaguely valid reason to do so.
I’m not trying to be rude here, but I just don’t get it. I’m not a Christian but I’m not fussed by people who are, so why is this such a big deal? I listened to all 73 mins of this, and I’m still none the wiser other than you simply don’t agree with it all and you don’t like some of the people who campaign for it. I don’t agree with a lot of things in life, I don’t like the way some people on “your side” speak about trans people and openly attack young people on Twitter to make themselves look funny or better, but I don’t go on podcasts telling people they’re deluded and that they’re fundamentally wrong and one day they’ll wake up realising that “they’ve been taken for a mug”.
I respect the fact that both of you have very different ways of seeing this than I do, that’s up to you, but I don’t understand where the anger and resentment is coming from. Thanks.
Yes. There are so few trans people, how can they be so upsetting to people? I only know one person who is trans -- don't know his/her name -- works at a Bank I occasionally go to. Seems normal enough. Why would this threaten me, why would I "challenge" them? Lol.
Well said, Guy. I'm only halfway through the video at the moment, and although, yes, it's a fascinating discussion, it does seem to boil down to little more than "Well it weren't like that in my day. Nothing against 'em, good luck to 'em, but I don't want it shoving down my throat..." ;-)
@@MrGroovyHouse-fe4cw I do find that a lot of people who have issues with the way things are going are essentially saying, “Why are those young people having lots of fun and sex when they should be coming to my house to praise me for my (minor/non-existent) contribution to the gay rights movement.”
Did you read the book, subject of the interview? I think that would explain the tone of the interview. Didn’t sense any resentment myself.
@@MrGroovyHouse-fe4cwmight be worth reading the book if you haven’t. The discussion is taking that as read. Both literally and figuratively for once…which is nice.
Just catching up with this. Gareth is such an interesting and engaging person and this is a very watchable interview, JT!
What happened to Gareth is really deplorable. I am encouraging as many of my friends and fellow Who fans to watch this interview.
I also think some of those who so readily cancelled Gareth or went along with it, should watch this. Give the guy a fair hearing instead of blindly following the sheep-like cancel culture brigade!! Far too many critics and detractors of perfectly reasonable TV, films and books seek to cancel without really, properly taking time to examine and understand the other side of the coin.
Sadly we are seeing a generation of (mainly) youngsters, who cannot disseminate culture correctly. View everything literally without nuance and through a very limited social and political prism. They refuse to allow more than one side of a story to be examined much less understood.
I fear for the future of those trying to inspire and entertain us. Humourless activists with tunnel vision, who can only see a world that satisfies their own selfish views are systematically ruining it for those of us who can see the world in 3D snd enjoy differences of ideas and opinions.
Thanks JT amd Gareth Roberts!
Rob.
Cheers for watching and commenting Rob and thank you for encouraging others to watch it! There was no reason at all for Gareth's treatment (still ongoing as with many of us)!
Great interview.
Thank you for watching Robbie!
While I strongly believe in freedom of speech and all opinions are valid. I think the last decade or so has seen far too many similar and not entirely sane views being given far too much credence and publicity.
A vocal minority has steered the conversation of the majority for too long and damagingly so. I agree with Gareth that if Labour can achieve a large majority, they won't have to listen to the activists quite so much - if at all for that matter. I have daily conversations with my teenage nephew and nieces (two of whom are old enough to vote for the first time) about the election and although they, almost inevitability, subscribe to some of the ideology discussed, they are realistic enough to see the nuanced manifesto Labour is putting forward. They seem to recognise Labour is more centrist in poltical stance, than the traditional left wing image it usually evokes.
A lot of first-time voters are approaching the Election with the conviction that Labour is still VERY left wing and very supportive of the issues that activists would have you believe are really "vital". In truth, Labour have repositioned to appeal more to the neo liberal/radical wing of the Tory faithful, in much the same way Tony Blair did in 1997. Whether it is simply a ploy to seem "electable" (as it was then, albeit a hugely successful one) or whether they genuinely will govern with a more authoritarian approach, remains to be seen.
I believe a great many youngsters may find themselves disappointed by the Labour Government but equally the country is crying out for change and to truly deliver that, the new Government needs as broad an appeal as possible.
In short, and to use a Who analogy, Steven Moffat recognised (and is on record as saying as much)- Doctor Who needs to appeal to readers of the Daily Mail, just as much as those of The Guardian and The Mirror, in order to have a truly broad, "mainstream BBC1" success.
RTD seems convinced it should plough a very niche furrow, appealing to youngsters under 30, who are likely to already be activists or the potential activists of tomorrow. This is very different from RTD's feel for his audience in 2005. He was genuinely nervous the show would be a success and approached it with a very broad brush to gather as many viewers as possible. If only he would realise that is exactly what the show needs once more.
Yes, homophobes and transphobes have indeed been given far too much publicity for their utterly-despicable hateful views.
AMEN. New showrunner.😃