I'm rooting for them and will patiently wait for their consumers to have a year of their vehicle in their hands before I take the plunge for an Aptera.
If you are going to go into Aptera's backstory, I beleve you should go into greater detail. Aptera in 2009 was basically the victim of a hostile takeover. The original founders of the company were kicked out, and a CEO connected to rhe automotive industry was brought in. He abandoned the three wheel desogn and tried to turn the Aptera into a four wheel sedan, and it failed. I'm sure there were other issues with the Aptera, most notably that neither the EV technology nor the regulations surrounding three wheeled vehicles were up to the level they are now. However, since restarting the company, the founders have refused to alter their vision, or let the investors take over the design process the way they did before. For those that claim that the automotive industry will come in and replace Aptera, I will remind you that they already tried that, and all they managed to do is create an ugly knock-off that instantly failed. The industry isn't interested in the Aptera. It doesn't fit their standard. If Aptera is not a success, it'll be because the public rejects three wheelers. That is integral to the concept and it will stand ir die on it.
I want an aptera with a 40 mi. range, small battery for light weight efficiency but add an e-Rex range extender for the few times I travel more than five or ten miles a day. The solar cells should keep the batteries in optimum charge for when I only go five or ten miles and those times I make a long trip, the e-Rex range extender, which weighs only 35 kilos, will give me unlimited range while keeping the battery charged at a long-life level. I live in a condo with no way to charge at home and don't want to be tied down waiting at a charger station; not even for 30 minutes. I don't know which I like about the Aptera more; the awesome efficiency of the car or the looks. I'm still looking for a video of how to change the rear wheel. Are they still using the body panels for battery cooling? If so, a minor fender bender could mean difficulties with repair.
It took Tesla 6 years to get its first car to market (2002-2008). Aptera was refounded in 2019 and is likely to begin production next year. 5 years to get to production is pretty normal for an auto startup.
@@amosbatto3051 Aptera began 2002. And "likely to begin" is the empty promise we hear from Aptera since 2019. Also Tesla had enough own money to finance the production of their first car, while Aptera still lacks the 300Mill to start production of their motorcycle.
Vic, haha..! I called it a trike, but yeah, it's in the same class as a motorcycle.. Can you believe Aptera even considers themselves on par with Tesla..?! Aptera will continue thinking so high of themselves, with zero competition.. As long as this has taken already, I don't believe Aptera could survive real competition. Right now Aptera is an innovator, not a contender.. They will probably fold their tent the very minute any viable competition decides to challenge a lower price than they "speculated.." Y'know, with the pandemic and all.. I'm so sick of that excuse already..
No you did not, but you continue to lie about it. Aptera Corp was only founded in 2019, and they didn't even open pre-orders until December of 2020. The number of orders that came pouring in has been more than any other startup - putting companies with more general market vehicles such as Fisker and Lucid to shame. This caught Aptera by surprise, and they had to retool to meet demand. Yes, you will still be reading about our Apteras on the road, saving owners money and helping lower the CO2 in our atmosphere in 2030 - and saving lives along with it.
@@vic321344 Aptera Inc. a completely different company with a different product began in 2002. And you lie about what Aptera "promised" in 2019. Anyone can read their SEC reports and see that. Tesla started shipping a vehicle they called "a production car" in February 2008, by giving a seriously defective model to Elon Musk. Every vehicle they produced until well into the next year would break the transmissions if a driver attempted to use the advertised power when accelerating. Only a 50 million dollar loan from Daimler saved them in the literal last hour before they were facing bankruptcy. Aptera is already producing production validated parts for their vehicle.
Aptera has steadfastly refused to price up to date pricing on their vehicle even after comments directly from Chris that the move to CPC built components substantially increased costs So until Aptera steps up and provides up to date pricing no claims you make about price can be substantiated.
The base price of $25,900 probably will rise in the future, but I think the Launch Edition price of $33,200 is fixed. Based on the LE price, I suspect that the base price will only rise $1000 or $2000 more, which is totally reasonable considering recent inflation.
They will no doubt update pricing when it is time to deliver the vehicles. That is still a year away, and any prices set at this point would be premature, as many variables can change in 12 months. Like any company, they have to weigh up their own costs, the need to make a profit, and the need to charge a price that is acceptable to the consumer.
I am not sure what you mean by that? It is road legal. It will be tested to FMVSS Part 200 automotive crash standards by a third party even though that is not required by the class. They have started producing parts for the validation vehicles, and they will be publicly crash tested and the results revealed once production intent vehicles are available to test.
Dennis, it ain't even a CAR.. It's a TRIKE.. Consider the Aptera a motorcycle, just like all the vehicle safety people do. Aptera IS safer than any motorcycle ever designed, and I do believe the Aptera is an awesome design, but it ain't no real kind of car.. Aptera likes to consider themselves in the same class as Tesla, as a company and as a product, but they have more in common with a motorcycle than a real automobile.. PRICING is probably the only parallel Aptera actually has with Tesla.. Aptera expects the public to give them automobile prices (thirty grand) for a motorcycle kind of product..
@@user-tp9gy8kt2q Of course there are motorcycles well over $30K, but there are many places where Aptea is legally considered a car. And it was designed from the beginning to pass automotive safety crash tests. As a motorcyclist with around 1/2 million miles on 2 wheels, I can assure you that the statement it has more in common with a motorcycle than a car is ludicrous. And I have ridden in an Aptera prototype as well.
When you say production you mean like 100 a week, if they can get a run rate of 5,000 per year that should be realistic,,. But the earlier models should be a bit more expensive like the Roadster,, the marketing strategy was a bit wrong
Sorry, they won't succeed. It's a pity, but it's too niche to sell in enough numbers to be viable. People will tell you that they would buy one, but when it actually comes to ordering one, they'll buy something more practical for similar money.
Aptera already has far more paid pre-orders than companies such as Fisker and Lucid. They are doing more than "telling you they will buy one". They are far more likely to succeed at this point than Tesla was at the same time period. They are managing their money more wisely and have a much higher quality system in place than Tesla did.
Color me skeptical. Once China comes in to the U.S. with its cut-rate sodium battery EVs that will price undercut this thing with a full 4-5 passenger EV, this thing is TOAST!
Ragshop, that may be quite soon. Electric Viking just made a video on the $12,500 VinFast VF3 mini-electric car, expressing its production within the next 12 months.. It appears to be about Suzuki Samurai sized. Soon, a Chinese company (in America) building electric "automobiles," not TRIKES, for nearly half the price Aptera believes is "affordable.." VinFast (China) will absolutely consume the blue collar market - the same market Aptera appears so easy to dismiss.. Stick a fork in them, Aptera looks done, they just don't know it yet.. But investors appear to be paying attention.. Maybe that's why they're not lined up around the corner to invest into all that untapped "potential.."
@user-tp9gy8kt2q there are hurdles to this happening. Including the more stringent safety requirements in the U.S. trade policies, political tension etc. If they are going to be produce in the U.S. by a Chinese owned company the labor cost will also be more. If they are going to import it there are steep tariffs as well as the need to meet U.S. requirements.
Garywozniak, those hurdles won't even work like speedbumps, son. Motorcycles don't have NEAR the requirements that real automobiles have. Plus, the American public is clamoring for electric vehicle production, of ANY kind, like never before, and I don't see any significant political obstructions preventing some minor rule changes. You doubt a Chinese company could turn a profit in America..?! Have you met America..?! Have you researched Chinese business ethics..?! Sorry to yank your head out from beneath your bottom, but perhaps you should look around for a minute before you blather on with your unicorn fairy dust infused hokum.. I haven't yet seen any clear obstruction to Aptera business plans, except a severe, momentary lack of outside interest.. I HOPE Aptera seizes the initiative soon, because time is not on their side.. I HOPE Aptera can make a reasonable (motorcycle) price work for them. Otherwise China, or anyone else really, will build something similar, for HALF their asking price.
@user-tp9gy8kt2q I'm skeptical. U.S. car manufacturers are not going to sit idly by and let cheap imports from China or any other country floor th e U.S. market the lobbies are probably already in place e By the the time they make safety adjustment for the U.S. and pay the tariffs they probably aren't going to be that cheap.
Once another company (less scrupulous, more capital) decides to build a similar vehicle, Aptera will cease to be relevant and evaporate. I'm surprised it hasn't happened already, given this extended roll-out process. Any major motorcycle, snowmobile or even bicycle company could design and build a similar product (cheaper than Aptera's proposed price) and completely drive Aptera out of business. Reverse trikes ain't new, and electric vehicles have been around for over a century.. Expect a Chinese "copy" to begin production within the next 18 months - IF the widespread interest in this concept is genuine. "Playing it safe" works at first, until the public begins doubting your capability and resolve - then they begin mocking you and mark you in history as another sad, pathetic footnote. I'm rooting for you Aptera, but the progression of time isn't doing you any favors here..
There aren't many companies that have experience using Carbon Fiber Sheet Molding Compound (CF-SMC) for auto bodies, and they mainly make bodies for supercars. From what I understand C.P.C. is making the bodies for Aptera at a reduced price, because it wants to move into more mass production applications beyond the supercar market and the Aptera is great advertising for the company. It will be hard for another company to get the CF-SMC body parts. It will also be hard for another company to learn how to do the solar panel laminates and to create a custom MPPT charge controller like Aptera has done. Also Aptera has its own GUI for its infotainment system, so that can't be legally copied. Aptera has a number of patents on its solar system as well, so it can conceivably sue cloners of its car. Another factor is that that it is hard to import cars into the US due to its special regulations, so Aptera probably will have a protected market in the US for a while. We keep hearing about all the Chinese EVs, but look at how few have gotten to US markets, so Aptera's main market will likely be protected for a while.
Amosbatto, look around son, Aptera ain't that damn special. What you claim is difficult, some folks do without breaking a sweat. What you claim is a legal hurdle, can be bypassed or innovated around. Your "infotainment" system doesn't impress everybody. China is hungry and capable. If they see opportunity and profit, they will jump. China will do to Aptera what they have done to every other industry in this country - don't think they won't. The ONLY saving grace Aptera has (right now) is they started first, and they are already here. But, as I said, time isn't standing still. I want Aptera to recognize their dream and produce millions of their vehicles, but if they don't start real soon, somebody else will swoop in and out-produce them with a "budget" model that performs the basic function. If Aptera prices their cute little trike above the budget of average, minimum wage earners, their potential market will exclusively be those self-absorbed eco-snobs that have been patiently waiting for this excruciatingly slow roll-out.. What's that going to be? A few thousand "designer" models? Don't worry Aptera, China will be happy to mass-produce a budget model for the millions of blue collar customers that you refuse to consider with your perfect little business building schedule.. And it might not even be China. It could be a home-grown company that purchases building kits from overseas..
@@user-tp9gy8kt2q I get your frustration with the speed of Aptera's development, but it is important to keep in mind that Aptera will likely take 5 or 6 years to get to production (2019 to 2024/5), whereas Tesla, Rivian and Lucid took 6 years (2002-2008), 12 years (2009-2021) and 14 years (2007-2021), respectively, to get to production. It simply takes a long time for auto startups. I don't think that Aptera is at any more risk of clones than any other EV maker, and as I pointed out, it won't be an easy car to clone the Aptera compared to a conventional EV, because FC-SMC bodies are currently only used by supercars and Aptera had to do a lot of development on the laminates to protect the solar cells and create its own custom charger controller firmware for 7 different MPPT strings. Maybe another company will swoop in and take Aptera's market, but nobody copied the original Aptera (2006-11), and I can't see any traditional Western automaker bothering with an experimental design like the Aptera. Maybe a motorcycle or snowmobile company might, but I don't think they will get to market any sooner than Aptera, and their costs will likely be similar. If there are copycats, I suspect that they will come when Aptera has already proven itself in the marketplace, and at that point, Aptera will have a lot of first-mover advantages.
Amos, time will tell. You believe Aptera has plenty of time, I don't. You believe Aptera is something that can only be built with special race car materials, I don't. You don't believe anyone has any interest in even trying to build something like an Aptera. Maybe not today, but if there's money to be made, and zero competition, I wouldn't expect the open field to remain vacant forever. China has built a reputation for letting others do all the research work, then building a copy at the last minute. And Aptera ain't exactly an F35.. It's not even really a car..
Neither is true. Aptera has gotten venture capital money as well as crowd funding. They are in a better cash position than Tesla was at the same relative time frame with a more attractive product. Soon they will have production intent validation vehicles on the road undergoing third party testing. They are already producing production parts. Once favorable results are reported they will be flooded with new customers in line and investors.
@@n.brucenelson5920 Look at their last SEC fillings, they had 15 million dollars cash left and have a burnrate of 5 million per month, that was 3 months ago..... So they literally have 0 dollars left
LOL No they don't. They recently this June had to remove language from their financial filings that an expected 21m infusion no earlier than Q2 2023 did not come to pass. This had been a staple of their filings since around October of 2022. That was the last mention of any large investment. They do love to claim having many routes to production but never can cite them and Chris is now basically notorious with his cringe comment is all it takes is one billionaire and 50m to make it to production - really it has become cringe as it seems his fall back each time they are challenged about their lack of funding The did not have sufficient cash on hand at the end of June 30th to make it through the year. The only reason they had 20.9m in cash listed is they shifted over 17m to stock based compensation. Of that 20.9 million 5.6m cannot be used as its reservations and penalties for exiting Vista. Then top that off with over 3m in accrued liabilities and nearly 7m in accounts payable due in the coming six months. As for producing production parts, as of this month, October 2023, they admitted to not have molds and setup for two parts needed to complete the body at CPC included the major part - the belly pan of the vehicle cannot be produced by CPC and they have to find another supplier. CPC does not have large enough presses
In a segment from the latest Aptera Ambassador's meeting, highlighted in the latest Aptera Owner's Club video, both of the founder's specifically state that they have enough capital to see them into production.
@@DemaGeek You have failed to see how many times these snake oil salesmen have fed you with lies, and continue to say they said something so it must be true. There's that song - I know you're lying . . . your lips are moving - it applies to Chris A. This site is regurgitating these false promises with no regard for having facts proven. The optimism of finding investors large enough and fast enough to overcome the burn rate is completely unfounded. Historically, In 2006 Aptera was backed (financed) by Google and a few other large corporations, yet they folded in 2011 due to lack of funds. No big investors stop the funding unless they see it as a way to cut their losses. If Aptera was a viable product, they would have stumped up whatever it took, and they had way more than enough to do it. They had come to the point where the facts were that their investments were doomed, and had no choice but to admit they were conned by the siver tongues of scammers in the early stages. The prototypes proved they couldn't work. Fast-forward to 2019, where Chris A is saying crowdfunding is being used to help the little man, the reality is that big corporations won't touch Aptera with a barge pole. Fanboys such as N. Bruce say nobody lost those tens of millions that disappeared in 2011, but the burnt corporations know they lost it, and news travels fast among them. This is why they don't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting big business to chip in. Even the privately wealthy mostly have the sense to see history as it really was. It's the gullible they eke out their scam from and, while there are plenty of those, you aren't enough to match what big business can stump up, and will ultimately contribute to the S & C retirement fund being squirrelled away in brown paper bags as we speak. Of course, I am not a financial advisor, and these are only the wild imaginations of an irrelevant troll. I say this for a laugh. Wake up.
I'm rooting for them and will patiently wait for their consumers to have a year of their vehicle in their hands before I take the plunge for an Aptera.
Top 5 reasons why gravity won't apply when I fall out of a tree.
If you are going to go into Aptera's backstory, I beleve you should go into greater detail. Aptera in 2009 was basically the victim of a hostile takeover. The original founders of the company were kicked out, and a CEO connected to rhe automotive industry was brought in. He abandoned the three wheel desogn and tried to turn the Aptera into a four wheel sedan, and it failed.
I'm sure there were other issues with the Aptera, most notably that neither the EV technology nor the regulations surrounding three wheeled vehicles were up to the level they are now. However, since restarting the company, the founders have refused to alter their vision, or let the investors take over the design process the way they did before.
For those that claim that the automotive industry will come in and replace Aptera, I will remind you that they already tried that, and all they managed to do is create an ugly knock-off that instantly failed. The industry isn't interested in the Aptera. It doesn't fit their standard.
If Aptera is not a success, it'll be because the public rejects three wheelers. That is integral to the concept and it will stand ir die on it.
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Years and still waiting. I hear the same thing year after year. TALK TALK TALK NO ACTION.
Very well done. I'm hoping to get mine in 2025
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I hope the aptera starts production as i think it will be better than most electric cars
Well done, thank you.
I want an aptera with a 40 mi. range, small battery for light weight efficiency but add an e-Rex range extender for the few times I travel more than five or ten miles a day. The solar cells should keep the batteries in optimum charge for when I only go five or ten miles and those times I make a long trip, the e-Rex range extender, which weighs only 35 kilos, will give me unlimited range while keeping the battery charged at a long-life level. I live in a condo with no way to charge at home and don't want to be tied down waiting at a charger station; not even for 30 minutes. I don't know which I like about the Aptera more; the awesome efficiency of the car or the looks. I'm still looking for a video of how to change the rear wheel. Are they still using the body panels for battery cooling? If so, a minor fender bender could mean difficulties with repair.
I already read this headline in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022. Maybe I will still read it in 2030.
It took Tesla 6 years to get its first car to market (2002-2008). Aptera was refounded in 2019 and is likely to begin production next year. 5 years to get to production is pretty normal for an auto startup.
@@amosbatto3051 Aptera began 2002. And "likely to begin" is the empty promise we hear from Aptera since 2019.
Also Tesla had enough own money to finance the production of their first car, while Aptera still lacks the 300Mill to start production of their motorcycle.
Vic, haha..! I called it a trike, but yeah, it's in the same class as a motorcycle..
Can you believe Aptera even considers themselves on par with Tesla..?!
Aptera will continue thinking so high of themselves, with zero competition..
As long as this has taken already, I don't believe Aptera could survive real competition.
Right now Aptera is an innovator, not a contender..
They will probably fold their tent the very minute any viable competition decides to challenge a lower price than they "speculated.." Y'know, with the pandemic and all..
I'm so sick of that excuse already..
No you did not, but you continue to lie about it. Aptera Corp was only founded in 2019, and they didn't even open pre-orders until December of 2020.
The number of orders that came pouring in has been more than any other startup - putting companies with more general market vehicles such as Fisker and Lucid to shame. This caught Aptera by surprise, and they had to retool to meet demand.
Yes, you will still be reading about our Apteras on the road, saving owners money and helping lower the CO2 in our atmosphere in 2030 - and saving lives along with it.
@@vic321344 Aptera Inc. a completely different company with a different product began in 2002. And you lie about what Aptera "promised" in 2019. Anyone can read their SEC reports and see that.
Tesla started shipping a vehicle they called "a production car" in February 2008, by giving a seriously defective model to Elon Musk. Every vehicle they produced until well into the next year would break the transmissions if a driver attempted to use the advertised power when accelerating. Only a 50 million dollar loan from Daimler saved them in the literal last hour before they were facing bankruptcy.
Aptera is already producing production validated parts for their vehicle.
Aptera has steadfastly refused to price up to date pricing on their vehicle even after comments directly from Chris that the move to CPC built components substantially increased costs
So until Aptera steps up and provides up to date pricing no claims you make about price can be substantiated.
The base price of $25,900 probably will rise in the future, but I think the Launch Edition price of $33,200 is fixed. Based on the LE price, I suspect that the base price will only rise $1000 or $2000 more, which is totally reasonable considering recent inflation.
They will no doubt update pricing when it is time to deliver the vehicles. That is still a year away, and any prices set at this point would be premature, as many variables can change in 12 months. Like any company, they have to weigh up their own costs, the need to make a profit, and the need to charge a price that is acceptable to the consumer.
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Is the vehicle NHTSA approved yet?
I am not sure what you mean by that? It is road legal. It will be tested to FMVSS Part 200 automotive crash standards by a third party even though that is not required by the class. They have started producing parts for the validation vehicles, and they will be publicly crash tested and the results revealed once production intent vehicles are available to test.
Dennis, it ain't even a CAR.. It's a TRIKE..
Consider the Aptera a motorcycle, just like all the vehicle safety people do. Aptera IS safer than any motorcycle ever designed, and I do believe the Aptera is an awesome design, but it ain't no real kind of car..
Aptera likes to consider themselves in the same class as Tesla, as a company and as a product, but they have more in common with a motorcycle than a real automobile..
PRICING is probably the only parallel Aptera actually has with Tesla..
Aptera expects the public to give them automobile prices (thirty grand) for a motorcycle kind of product..
@@user-tp9gy8kt2q Of course there are motorcycles well over $30K, but there are many places where Aptea is legally considered a car. And it was designed from the beginning to pass automotive safety crash tests. As a motorcyclist with around 1/2 million miles on 2 wheels, I can assure you that the statement it has more in common with a motorcycle than a car is ludicrous.
And I have ridden in an Aptera prototype as well.
Hate the robot voice. Video is unwatchable.
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When you say production you mean like 100 a week, if they can get a run rate of 5,000 per year that should be realistic,,. But the earlier models should be a bit more expensive like the Roadster,, the marketing strategy was a bit wrong
Now they're saying production will start in 2025. I doubt they'll start production in 2026.
Sorry, they won't succeed. It's a pity, but it's too niche to sell in enough numbers to be viable.
People will tell you that they would buy one, but when it actually comes to ordering one, they'll buy something more practical for similar money.
Aptera already has far more paid pre-orders than companies such as Fisker and Lucid. They are doing more than "telling you they will buy one". They are far more likely to succeed at this point than Tesla was at the same time period. They are managing their money more wisely and have a much higher quality system in place than Tesla did.
Color me skeptical. Once China comes in to the U.S. with its cut-rate sodium battery EVs that will price undercut this thing with a full 4-5 passenger EV, this thing is TOAST!
Until I can buy it, it doesn’t exist and is a go kart that someone made in a garage lol
Ragshop, that may be quite soon. Electric Viking just made a video on the $12,500 VinFast VF3 mini-electric car, expressing its production within the next 12 months..
It appears to be about Suzuki Samurai sized.
Soon, a Chinese company (in America) building electric "automobiles," not TRIKES, for nearly half the price Aptera believes is "affordable.."
VinFast (China) will absolutely consume the blue collar market - the same market Aptera appears so easy to dismiss..
Stick a fork in them, Aptera looks done, they just don't know it yet..
But investors appear to be paying attention.. Maybe that's why they're not lined up around the corner to invest into all that untapped "potential.."
@user-tp9gy8kt2q there are hurdles to this happening. Including the more stringent safety requirements in the U.S. trade policies, political tension etc. If they are going to be produce in the U.S. by a Chinese owned company the labor cost will also be more. If they are going to import it there are steep tariffs as well as the need to meet U.S. requirements.
Garywozniak, those hurdles won't even work like speedbumps, son. Motorcycles don't have NEAR the requirements that real automobiles have. Plus, the American public is clamoring for electric vehicle production, of ANY kind, like never before, and I don't see any significant political obstructions preventing some minor rule changes.
You doubt a Chinese company could turn a profit in America..?!
Have you met America..?!
Have you researched Chinese business ethics..?!
Sorry to yank your head out from beneath your bottom, but perhaps you should look around for a minute before you blather on with your unicorn fairy dust infused hokum..
I haven't yet seen any clear obstruction to Aptera business plans, except a severe, momentary lack of outside interest..
I HOPE Aptera seizes the initiative soon, because time is not on their side..
I HOPE Aptera can make a reasonable (motorcycle) price work for them.
Otherwise China, or anyone else really, will build something similar, for HALF their asking price.
@user-tp9gy8kt2q I'm skeptical. U.S. car manufacturers are not going to sit idly by and let cheap imports from China or any other country floor th e U.S. market the lobbies are probably already in place e
By the the time they make safety adjustment for the U.S. and pay the tariffs they probably aren't going to be that cheap.
Nonsense. It will never go into production.
Why do you think so!
Once another company (less scrupulous, more capital) decides to build a similar vehicle, Aptera will cease to be relevant and evaporate. I'm surprised it hasn't happened already, given this extended roll-out process.
Any major motorcycle, snowmobile or even bicycle company could design and build a similar product (cheaper than Aptera's proposed price) and completely drive Aptera out of business.
Reverse trikes ain't new, and electric vehicles have been around for over a century..
Expect a Chinese "copy" to begin production within the next 18 months - IF the widespread interest in this concept is genuine.
"Playing it safe" works at first, until the public begins doubting your capability and resolve - then they begin mocking you and mark you in history as another sad, pathetic footnote.
I'm rooting for you Aptera, but the progression of time isn't doing you any favors here..
There aren't many companies that have experience using Carbon Fiber Sheet Molding Compound (CF-SMC) for auto bodies, and they mainly make bodies for supercars. From what I understand C.P.C. is making the bodies for Aptera at a reduced price, because it wants to move into more mass production applications beyond the supercar market and the Aptera is great advertising for the company. It will be hard for another company to get the CF-SMC body parts. It will also be hard for another company to learn how to do the solar panel laminates and to create a custom MPPT charge controller like Aptera has done. Also Aptera has its own GUI for its infotainment system, so that can't be legally copied. Aptera has a number of patents on its solar system as well, so it can conceivably sue cloners of its car.
Another factor is that that it is hard to import cars into the US due to its special regulations, so Aptera probably will have a protected market in the US for a while. We keep hearing about all the Chinese EVs, but look at how few have gotten to US markets, so Aptera's main market will likely be protected for a while.
Amosbatto, look around son, Aptera ain't that damn special. What you claim is difficult, some folks do without breaking a sweat. What you claim is a legal hurdle, can be bypassed or innovated around. Your "infotainment" system doesn't impress everybody.
China is hungry and capable. If they see opportunity and profit, they will jump. China will do to Aptera what they have done to every other industry in this country - don't think they won't.
The ONLY saving grace Aptera has (right now) is they started first, and they are already here.
But, as I said, time isn't standing still.
I want Aptera to recognize their dream and produce millions of their vehicles, but if they don't start real soon, somebody else will swoop in and out-produce them with a "budget" model that performs the basic function.
If Aptera prices their cute little trike above the budget of average, minimum wage earners, their potential market will exclusively be those self-absorbed eco-snobs that have been patiently waiting for this excruciatingly slow roll-out..
What's that going to be? A few thousand "designer" models?
Don't worry Aptera, China will be happy to mass-produce a budget model for the millions of blue collar customers that you refuse to consider with your perfect little business building schedule..
And it might not even be China. It could be a home-grown company that purchases building kits from overseas..
@@user-tp9gy8kt2q I get your frustration with the speed of Aptera's development, but it is important to keep in mind that Aptera will likely take 5 or 6 years to get to production (2019 to 2024/5), whereas Tesla, Rivian and Lucid took 6 years (2002-2008), 12 years (2009-2021) and 14 years (2007-2021), respectively, to get to production. It simply takes a long time for auto startups.
I don't think that Aptera is at any more risk of clones than any other EV maker, and as I pointed out, it won't be an easy car to clone the Aptera compared to a conventional EV, because FC-SMC bodies are currently only used by supercars and Aptera had to do a lot of development on the laminates to protect the solar cells and create its own custom charger controller firmware for 7 different MPPT strings.
Maybe another company will swoop in and take Aptera's market, but nobody copied the original Aptera (2006-11), and I can't see any traditional Western automaker bothering with an experimental design like the Aptera. Maybe a motorcycle or snowmobile company might, but I don't think they will get to market any sooner than Aptera, and their costs will likely be similar. If there are copycats, I suspect that they will come when Aptera has already proven itself in the marketplace, and at that point, Aptera will have a lot of first-mover advantages.
Amos, time will tell. You believe Aptera has plenty of time, I don't.
You believe Aptera is something that can only be built with special race car materials, I don't.
You don't believe anyone has any interest in even trying to build something like an Aptera. Maybe not today, but if there's money to be made, and zero competition, I wouldn't expect the open field to remain vacant forever.
China has built a reputation for letting others do all the research work, then building a copy at the last minute.
And Aptera ain't exactly an F35.. It's not even really a car..
But who in their right mind would buy a Chinese car? Their reputation is atrocious.
The Aptera will fail soon (again) because they are out of money and no investor will invest
Neither is true. Aptera has gotten venture capital money as well as crowd funding. They are in a better cash position than Tesla was at the same relative time frame with a more attractive product. Soon they will have production intent validation vehicles on the road undergoing third party testing. They are already producing production parts. Once favorable results are reported they will be flooded with new customers in line and investors.
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Look at their last SEC fillings, they had 15 million dollars cash left and have a burnrate of 5 million per month, that was 3 months ago.....
So they literally have 0 dollars left
LOL No they don't. They recently this June had to remove language from their financial filings that an expected 21m infusion no earlier than Q2 2023 did not come to pass. This had been a staple of their filings since around October of 2022. That was the last mention of any large investment. They do love to claim having many routes to production but never can cite them and Chris is now basically notorious with his cringe comment is all it takes is one billionaire and 50m to make it to production - really it has become cringe as it seems his fall back each time they are challenged about their lack of funding
The did not have sufficient cash on hand at the end of June 30th to make it through the year. The only reason they had 20.9m in cash listed is they shifted over 17m to stock based compensation. Of that 20.9 million 5.6m cannot be used as its reservations and penalties for exiting Vista. Then top that off with over 3m in accrued liabilities and nearly 7m in accounts payable due in the coming six months.
As for producing production parts, as of this month, October 2023, they admitted to not have molds and setup for two parts needed to complete the body at CPC included the major part - the belly pan of the vehicle cannot be produced by CPC and they have to find another supplier. CPC does not have large enough presses
In a segment from the latest Aptera Ambassador's meeting, highlighted in the latest Aptera Owner's Club video, both of the founder's specifically state that they have enough capital to see them into production.
@@DemaGeek You have failed to see how many times these snake oil salesmen have fed you with lies, and continue to say they said something so it must be true. There's that song - I know you're lying . . . your lips are moving - it applies to Chris A. This site is regurgitating these false promises with no regard for having facts proven. The optimism of finding investors large enough and fast enough to overcome the burn rate is completely unfounded. Historically, In 2006 Aptera was backed (financed) by Google and a few other large corporations, yet they folded in 2011 due to lack of funds. No big investors stop the funding unless they see it as a way to cut their losses. If Aptera was a viable product, they would have stumped up whatever it took, and they had way more than enough to do it. They had come to the point where the facts were that their investments were doomed, and had no choice but to admit they were conned by the siver tongues of scammers in the early stages. The prototypes proved they couldn't work.
Fast-forward to 2019, where Chris A is saying crowdfunding is being used to help the little man, the reality is that big corporations won't touch Aptera with a barge pole. Fanboys such as N. Bruce say nobody lost those tens of millions that disappeared in 2011, but the burnt corporations know they lost it, and news travels fast among them. This is why they don't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting big business to chip in. Even the privately wealthy mostly have the sense to see history as it really was. It's the gullible they eke out their scam from and, while there are plenty of those, you aren't enough to match what big business can stump up, and will ultimately contribute to the S & C retirement fund being squirrelled away in brown paper bags as we speak. Of course, I am not a financial advisor, and these are only the wild imaginations of an irrelevant troll. I say this for a laugh. Wake up.