Genadi in 2026: Chilling and singing opana ,opana ,opana...... Devon in 2026: Hey Genadi, pass the opana flag to the current champion or defend it against me .
haha this is not even remotely the same thing. Flag is a souvenir and gesture of sportsmanship. The hammer is a honorable legacy trophy. Shame that something meant to be a great trophy of legacy would end up showing all the bad faces of the sport. In my eyes the trophy and the idea behind it is great, just so many smallminded people letting hate for one person destroy it all. Its clear that people hate Devon more than they love the sport..
@@Bennythecoredriver Well not a word about this hammer in years and all off a sudden the Hammer is the most important thing in the world for him and the definition of Armwrestling. Or maybe bcs he calls Denis a piece of s*** live bcs he wasnt responding for like 2 days xD
Is just a trophy of a dead organization and nothing more. Is hard to see a 50 year old hero like Devon on a destructive tantrum attacking everything and everyone. Coming from a fan.
I think you will find it's the opposite Denis got destroyed and is no longer relevent as a top competitor. That's what you get when you abuse steroids to a high degree.
Armwrestling should be like pro wrestling in its development of heat between athletes. Not scripted, but the audience belief that two guys fucking hate each other can generate a lot of interest. Psychology is very important in building crescendos
If Denis would of brought some Russian trophy to match in 2018 and devon won and denis said continue to pass this to the champ, it would be messed up for devon to keep it and not comply with his request. Its strange that denis even wants to keep it.
Lmao are you stupid??? Devon is the most entertaining, most knowledgeable arm wrestler on the planet and he lives and breathes arm wrestling. Some people just don’t get it smh
Everything could have been done peacefully, but Devon chose a path full of chaos. Why didnt he negotiate with Denis directly? Why giving hateful speeches for Denis? Where is his sportsmanship now? This guy has a fake personality.
he did write to denis directly what the fuck, stop watching shit that only fits your narrative, watch devons latest videos, HE said he messaged him countless times
Devon has been calling on Denis to pass the hammer for years or to defend it. This ain't new and he's been pretty respectful while doing so. I guess he's changing it up recently to try and force the issue.
@@jd-hv2qe Since we both see the character defect in the anti-hammer crowd, that can pass without comment, but what character defect do you believe Devon exhibited? I don't see it. All I see is shockingly passive aggressive behavior in Eastern European males.
In all fairness, it was a gift but with certain expectations that Denis recognized. It's not like there was a hidden agenda. Denis knew what was expected. He should simply honored it. Plain and simple. Devon's right about that. But I agree that it's getting out of hand and is a bit ridiculous. If he isn't going to give it back, he isn't going to give it back. Unless Devon is willing to try to take it from him physically, no point in keeping all this up. Denis is simply not going to comply with his wishes. It's going absolutely nowhere but maybe Devon likes the fact that it's stirring sh!t up since that is usually to his liking. Getting attention for the sport. Good, bad or indifferent.
The purpose of the Hammers is specifically for this reason. They are supposed to represent the undisputed left and right world champions, bridging across all organizations. It was meant to represent the freedom of the sport, that the sport belongs to the athletes, and not the promoters. If promoters start denying the exchange of this legacy, or dividing the athletes apart again, it is going to die just as fast as it has grown these past few years. The hammers must be held by the true champions, their names engraved, and passed on. This is the way 💪🏻
Dude thats why the belt exists, the hammer is just a trophy from a dead organization and it shouldn't even be ALLOWED to be on East vs West to begin with.
@@TLTRambo When the organization died, the athletes were free to do what they wanted with the trophy, and this is what they wanted. Again, it’s about respecting the athletes. The promoters will just separate them and we will have multiple organizations claiming that they have the “top guy” whilst not letting their “top guy” compete against someone outside the promotion. We all want to know who the best guy is, and this is how. The belt ONLY means you are EvW champ, not world champ.
@@TLTRambodo belts show the champions of every person who’ve held it? No. And even if you write on every belt the names of every champion, it wasn’t held by those champions and defended by them.
Devon comes from an "Honor Culture" like the American South, "Honor Culture" is a high trust culture all of Devon's actions make sense within this culture. It never occurred to him that someone would accept the hammer and not operate within the constraints of the culture that created the hammer. To not pass on the hammer is to disrespect Devon and does indicate a lack of honor.
@@hacker-dude You're wrong, but not by much. The dominant political philosophy in America sprang from the Puritans/Roundheads in the North, they warred against the "Southerners" way back in England. The English Civil Wars continued on in America. The Northern fanatics lost their religion (Puritanism), but not the desire of Puritanism, to remake the world in its image. "Americas" mad foreign policy is an example of that policy. As Henry Kissinger said, "It's dangerous to be the enemy of the United States, it's even more dangerous to be a friend." The lapsed Puritans are a bunch of snakes, and liars.
Devon is correct. If Denis can't compete on the left then pass the hammer to somebody that can. Gives extra meaning to the hammer and the man that defends it.
It is a WAL trophy though that event is no longer continued, and Denis is the last guy who won the hammer so imo the trophy rightfully resides with him
Why Devon wants it to be transferred, Denis fled Devon and won that medal now he doesn't compete so he doesn't pass it because it's his trophy and there's no written rule that you have to pass it
@@cikomemes7023 Nah, Devon won that hammer and GAVE his trophy to Denis with the understanding it should be passed down. WAL pretty much has nothing to do with it.
The thing is, we can start an organization just like east vs west if we want to. We love Engin and love these promotions but we are playing along with it. If North America pulls out and decides to do our own promotions, East vs West is nothing. North America is clearly paying the most and making EvW as big as it’s been. Engin needs to be careful. It really won’t be difficult for us to completely take over but that’s not the point. We love having foreign competitors, but if it’s not going to be a mutual endeavor than NA can definitely make EvW a thing of the past just like WAL.
He also has more and more supporters. He's bigger than all the rest of the top arm wrestlers put together. You have guys like Schoolboy but they are not top armwrestlers.
Don't be surprised the day Devon no longer needs Engin and starts badmouthing him. Devon has no friends but interests at stake, just look at how he makes fun of his "friends" when he has to compete against them, as he did recently with Leonidas.
That's selling the match which should be obvious. It was a proper mismatch so to sell you gotta drum up intyerest. To everyone with a brain it was not an interesting match.
Most pay per views are selling because of Devon ,he has say on everything he can easily destroy east vs west if he wants and join a new league,i think legacy is every sport to move forward and legacy hammer thing is really good idea , after like 20 years it has more value nd then everyone will fight for that hammer
These organisations put together these events for the fan of armwrestling l, not for Devon Larratt’s worshippers. With or without him, armwrestling will live on, and so will the PPV’s
I don’t really care about the legacy hammer, but Engin making gauntlets to be the new legacy while Devon is mid fighting for this is a huge back stab. With Engin shady business shit trying to stop other leagues etc more and more I really can’t stand him. Hope one day a true monster of a league comes and pushes him out and makes it legitimately main stream. Guy acts like a little kid and throws tantrums and thinks he is some god to arm wrestling lol. Mean while in interviews an arm wrestler will be answering his question as he stares at his phone and is not even paying attention. Looking for “super chats” like an unprofessional idiot.
My favorite arm wrestler is morozov but I understand what Devon wants to do, the legacy hammer means a lot and I would love to see it continue to grow despite all the change of the arm wrestling world, don’t let it die I didn’t like the gear up again and have a kidney failure part, but that is how you attract people
I don’t understand why the fans want to defend contracts and leagues that bind the speech and freedom of the athletes. That’s why east vs West was originally celebrated- it bridged leagues and connected the athletes. Now it seeks to bind rhem
I think that it's more because the legacy hammer that denis has, has Devon's name on it, and he wants to be part of it too because he handed it to Denis, wich is still really bad and very childish
@@joseywales898The hammer Devon passe to Levan was his 115 WAL title hammer, the right arm superheavyweight hammer belongs to Michael Todd and the left arm one (superheavyweight) to Travis Bagent
WAL league is done and dusted, so should be any trophy related to it. Actually Devon shouldn't have given the right hand hammer to Levan. If WAL comes back then let them setup a match for Denis OR ask him to atleast pass the hammer to worthy person. I am fan of Devon but I would like him to move on. There is so much happening lets focus on them. Make peace within and forget the WAL hammer.
Everyone knows that Devon is the most famous arm wrestler, But I never will understand why that he seems to get off on stirring up conflict & division!🤔
Just make 2 new legacy hammers, that the purpose since the beginning is representing all the super heavy champs that have existed along the ages, with a lot of free space so names can be written as time goes by, and make the "name printing" a standard pattern doesnt matter who gets to write a name there it will be the same font and size as the other ones. What Devon wants is the heritage to be represented, so there you go, let dennis keep that hammer, and make 2 new ones with EvW and Kott backing it up
@@austinshade7155how do you know that? Maybe this guy boxes or is a Jiu-Jitsu black belt or any number of things that's qualifies him as a bad @ss. And yes, I know Devon's background. That's not the point.. I always think it's funny when people hold their heroes up so high that they are blinded by these things. No One is invincible.
I think Devon is still promoting the oleg match. It might not be as much as other matches. The guy has done more promo for AW then any organization or person out there imo. But to be fair its the promotors job to promo the match not the pullers. Devons name alone is a major selling point. AW needs to learn to sell matches without him cause he wont be here forever.
Where's the honnor in holding a Left arm champion hammer, when you're not, and not even defending it, and aren't the rightful owner of it. Pretty lame, especially from a past champion.
@Andrew_EvsW unless it's some kind of contract signed by all the athletes then none of this BS by Devon (and Devon only) holds up in the REAL world. Which I am afraid is not where Devon or any of his cult followers live
@Andrew_EvsW not calling the made up hammer legacy a cult. I am calling all of Devons fanbois a cult. I'm sure after seeing how Devon acts these days, John is embarrassed to be associated with it as he (like Denis) does not conduct himself in such an immature fashion
Always good win which is Denis Cyplenkov. Devon you showed how hateful feelings you have had towards Denis. Put in your mind even if you play left hand match and win you will stay unsatisfied in your heart, mind and soul because you know no way to defeat Denis in his prime even though if he healed and recover and return not in his prime you can not beat him at all so accept it Devon and be respectful
Devon acts like he’s some kind of big authority, he needs to put his ego aside, because while he pulls in EvW, Engin owns him just like WAL did before him.
Insulting Denis and bullying him like that is not ok. Being right doesn't mean you can humiliate someone so badly especially someone like Denis who is one of the kindest guys ever
Devon wants the hammer to be a thing but just bc he is jazzed about the concept doesn’t mean everyone else signed up too. Imagine winning the hammer when you don’t really find it significant and have to worry about storing it and shipping it to the next champ all bc one guy wants it to be a tradition.
Because he is right. The legacy hammer was explained so i dunno what denis doing... If you are right you not back down. Even when hole world against you
It only was explained by Devon and WAL. He doesnt decide for the whole sport what the "Tradition" is. For most Athletes this Hammer doesnt mean a thing atm. Mrozov and i bet Laletin and Muratov couldnt care less about an old WAL Hammer. The Concept is cool but discuss it and not just insult everyone who has another Idea or is against it.
Asking Denis to give the hammer to the top left arm guy isn’t disrespecting him. That’s the point of the legacy hammer, you carve your name onto it and pass it on once you lose or can’t compete. That’s something every athlete has done, no matter how much they would want to keep it. Not letting go of that hammer is disrespect to the sport.
Well, i think that the things devon is saying right now are a lot more disrespectful than that, even though i agree that denis should pass the hammer but there's no need to say the things that devon is saying.
Devon didn't do them, they were given by WAL. And btw, Devon's hammers weren't even from the absolute class, those are with Travis Bagent and Micheal Todd
I do think his comment about the hammer is silly though. Devon is right, it's not about one person or one league. It's a legacy hammer between the pullers/ the competitors.
That's a good observation, he started this whenever he was not allowed to fight Morozov. Maybe he is just angry because of this and now he is just using the hammer as an excuse to start a war.
To all Devon and Denis fans. To say Denis has destroy his kidneys you have to have solid proof. If you dont have it,and just yapping around that not fair to Denis. Tell me who in this days dont use any kind of steroid to improve himself? And last question. Show me any another athlete whos wife running around, and making statements like Devon wife? Is she competing in any events,or maybe she famous? It doesn't matter for me who has this hammer, if that so important for Devon, just ask your fans, you have over million of them. If we give you one dollar each, you can make better hammer. Just stop crying around.
@@michaelcook6483 And do you know that for sure? You have proof? Show me plz where to look, so I will know what you know. Don't play that game about your knowledge. Sry ppl will not trust your judgment. Just so you know, after kidney stop working, person will start do dialysis, just to stay somehow healthy. Like I said before, stop plz spread lies around. Plz just facts.
@@michaelcook6483 Just so you know, his doctor was making statement, that Dennis had rupture his blood vessel, which one go to kidney, that what I know for sure. And you just spreading lies al over internet . .
Devon started this idea of the legacy hammer and in some ways I think it can be cool but Engin will never allow anything to compete against his brand. I can see both sides but I think the sport has grown to a point where there may not be much room for the legacy hammer in the future.
Why would anyone be against the legacy hammer? It’s a cultural symbol that will show the history and legacy of the top champion. Think about in 50 years what that hammer could represent, and the history that it could show. Part of being a champion is knowing when you’re no longer the top guy and celebrating the rise of new champions to progress the sport.
You will see a lot of moderation in Engin’s posts. No way any successful American businessman would EVER work with Engin unless they had full control over Engin’s social media based dictatorial patriarchy. This is just the beginning.
This issue will end if future competitors stop accepting the hammer, thats it. Competitors should not accept this hammer since you'll be attacked by Devon if you decide not to pass it on.
The legacy hammer is meant to be a symbolic symbol, not a contact ridden trophy. Armwrestling needs less focus on contracts or leagues and I think Engin and Denis need to let go of this idea of control and support the cultural symbol that the legacy hammer could represent
I get what they were trying to do with the hammer. The huge problem with it is it still has WAL on it. Rip that off and put EvW on it and then you can have something different than just another "title belt". Theyre handing out belts for everything. Hell; i could go to a wwe show and buy a better looking belt than EvW's. Forge your own hammer.
yall hating to devon for no reason. the idea of legacy hammer is to keep legacy and pass it down to another champion. Denis is just ignoring devons dms and disrespecting legacy hammer.
I rarely agree with you on all points (which I enjoy different perspectives are important). But you kinda nailed it in my opinion on all points. Hopefully they can alter the hammer or make a new one, trade one to Denis in exchange. Whatever. But after the petrenko match.
It would make sense to take off the wal and having a healthy Denis defend it but against morozov that is the actual super heavyweight champion. Or pass it down to morozov to defend it. But honestly i think Devon should just give up and say (« the hammers are with to the rightful owners for that time and it’s time for something else with east vs west and king of the table ».)Because levan either won’t bring it to next event even if he loses engin won’t allow it anyways.
the hammer is a great idea(a symbol for the very best)..it should have nothing to do with a league(take the logo away if the dictator is offended again..)..how is Denis not ashamed to have it after six years...
Many people are misunderstanding the part about it "being yours to do as you see fit." The legacy hammer is suppose to be in the hands of the best, for them to alter as they see fit. So Morozov, or rightful recipient, can alter the WAL logo as they wish, or even add EvsW. One thing is certain, Denis is a turd, and has misunderstood the entire assignment.
The concept of the legacy hammer was fine when there were no organizations and armwrestling hadn’t matured to the point it is now. At this point though, nobody cares about it anymore but Devon. We have official organizations with official belts and champions now. The hammers don’t matter anymore. They honestly never mattered to anyone but Devon anyways. Denis won that hammer at a time when nobody ever knew that was the concept anyways. Devon didn’t start talking about that until the Michael Todd situation anyways when they started giving it back and forth to each other. That hammer belongs to Denis and that’s where it should remain forever. Now we have official titles and official championship anyways with belts from an accredited organization. Everything else is meaningless.
@@Senseiop12 the sport is here now because of people like Larry wheels and juji who gave Devon a platform. Larry built king of the table to showcase Devon. Engin built east vs west to gather everyone around the world to compete against each other. Devon may be the most popular armwrestler, but in the end the sport would be nowhere right now without Larry wheels and engine building brands to showcase these talents. Devon has built nothing but his own following here. He’s never organized anything, and in fact has been the one to cause alot of divide and controversy in the community over the years. Say what you want, but his opinion on the legacy hammer is irrelevant at this point. Nobody cares about them but him. Every interview is about pullers saying they want to be East vs west champion. Nobody ever says they are coming for the hammers.
If Denis is stupid enough to echo your sentiment then he will lose respect. The simple fact of the matter is that Devon is right, but his rude demeanor makes it where no one wants to take his side. In a matter of honor where no one is being honorable, no one cares. But the reality is Denis accepted the hammer knowing what people were doing with it. It is an homage to arm wrestling's foundations. Denis knows that, and is choosing to piss on all those who went before. He gets away with it because Devon is being such a little pissant about how he presents the issue, and because thus far Denis has taken the high road in not responding.
@@rignanroach1775 actually you’re wrong. When Denis won the hammer it wasn’t even talked about as a legacy hammer back then. The WAL still existed at that point. Devon didn’t even pull Dave Chaffee in the WAL yet at that point. I didn’t bother reading the rest of all the hot air you wrote…because none of it matters after that statement. The hammers have no legacy to anyone but Devon. Even Travis laughs at him for it. They aren’t even superheavyweight hammers. It’s a joke and the concept while ok at first, doesn’t even make sense anymore.
@@PrimeA169Every platform needs a star & vice versa... It's a symbiotic relationship. Larry couldn't put together KOTT without Devon, and it certainly wouldn't have been a viable business venture without a showman like Devon. On top of that, among AW athletes, Devon has been the most active promoter of arm wrestling events like KOTT & EvW, and the most entertaining one, which is why their highest PPVs have been with Devon. And the recent EvW even had Devon as co-host because Engin was still recovering. So please don't pretend like Devon hasn't contributed a ton to growing the sport. He even helps out other athletes like Ermes with training advice to improve, and helped Levan get good stem cell treatment from Vitacell... Both Ermes & Levan have acknowledged & appreciated Devon's help in their past posts. These are objective facts, that any fair fan can't deny.
If the WAL hammers were so important about legacy why isn't devon hounding travis and micheal to give the ACTUAL hammers of the absolute category that were given to the actual champions clearly devon just wants to hate on denis for views
Devon’s going pretty hard on this but he’s right. The hammer is cool. It’s a nice additional thing to give to the top guy. Denis should just hand the damn thing over to someone ffs. What’s the big deal? Just hand it to Vitaly. Totally ridiculous and unnecessary.
The legacy hammer is meant to be a symbolic symbol, not a contact ridden trophy. Armwrestling needs less focus on contracts or leagues and I think Engin and Denis need to let go of this idea of control and support the cultural symbol that the legacy hammer could represent. I feel denis has too much ego to accept that he is no longer the left arm champion and therefore he cannot let go of the hammer out of pride
Genadi in 2026: Chilling and singing opana ,opana ,opana......
Devon in 2026: Hey Genadi, pass the opana flag to the current champion or defend it against me .
That's hilarious 😂
😂
Ohh God hilarious 😂😂
Lmao
haha this is not even remotely the same thing. Flag is a souvenir and gesture of sportsmanship. The hammer is a honorable legacy trophy. Shame that something meant to be a great trophy of legacy would end up showing all the bad faces of the sport. In my eyes the trophy and the idea behind it is great, just so many smallminded people letting hate for one person destroy it all. Its clear that people hate Devon more than they love the sport..
Devon again on a cycle losing his mind.......
Yep!
How is he losing his mind?
@@Bennythecoredriver Well not a word about this hammer in years and all off a sudden the Hammer is the most important thing in the world for him and the definition of Armwrestling. Or maybe bcs he calls Denis a piece of s*** live bcs he wasnt responding for like 2 days xD
😂😂😂
If it's a "non existent league" then asking for the hammer isn't promoting anything, except the legacy of the sport.
Is just a trophy of a dead organization and nothing more. Is hard to see a 50 year old hero like Devon on a destructive tantrum attacking everything and everyone. Coming from a fan.
Yea i understand devon , but man he just have to chill
This thing looks like child problems bro
Eternal Arm Grip pulled devon's whole body with the mind games on instagram 2024
Denis destroyed Devon’s entire mind 2024
I think you will find it's the opposite Denis got destroyed and is no longer relevent as a top competitor. That's what you get when you abuse steroids to a high degree.
Devon abuses steroids so you feel he deserves to get sick too. Sad@@stevenrintoul2381
It's crazy how Denis was humble despite taking that amount of roids. But Devon lost his mind after roiding up for Levan @@stevenrintoul2381
@@stevenrintoul2381bark
U dumb
Its a throphy...Not more..Not official...WAL written on it,Selfmade...come one....go on..No Drama.
Devon is professional in game , immature in life
I'd say he is unprofessional also in the game.
@@GeorgeKam Yes we can say that too , all his setup cheating and his wife's barking during the game are embarrassing.
No Devon is GOAT ❤️❤️❤️❤️@@GeorgeKam
@@athiest4022 hey kid , what ever makes you sleep better... Take care
@@NaturalBodyinfo i bet that you wouldn't say that to Devon face to face
Armwrestling should be like pro wrestling in its development of heat between athletes. Not scripted, but the audience belief that two guys fucking hate each other can generate a lot of interest. Psychology is very important in building crescendos
I hope after Devon wins the belt for East V West he takes the belt home and keeps it and starts having matches on his own pay per view.
why would denis hold on to the hammer though if he and his friends all think it's worthless
Denis Flash pinned devon in 2018 both arms
Not even true💀
@@ianerlandsson5506it is😂, even though right arm was a practice pull
Only left
@@ianerlandsson5506Denis pulled devons whole body with table in right arm 2018
Bro that was 2018 😂😂
If Denis would of brought some Russian trophy to match in 2018 and devon won and denis said continue to pass this to the champ, it would be messed up for devon to keep it and not comply with his request. Its strange that denis even wants to keep it.
Devon should retire, all of his drama queen bullcrap has gotten old and stale
Lmao are you stupid??? Devon is the most entertaining, most knowledgeable arm wrestler on the planet and he lives and breathes arm wrestling. Some people just don’t get it smh
Everything could have been done peacefully, but Devon chose a path full of chaos.
Why didnt he negotiate with Denis directly?
Why giving hateful speeches for Denis?
Where is his sportsmanship now?
This guy has a fake personality.
he did write to denis directly what the fuck, stop watching shit that only fits your narrative, watch devons latest videos, HE said he messaged him countless times
@@tonybruce7316 WTF. He could have meet him.
Devon has been calling on Denis to pass the hammer for years or to defend it. This ain't new and he's been pretty respectful while doing so. I guess he's changing it up recently to try and force the issue.
He's not fake he's just trash
He has been asking denis for years now smartass
Devon isn’t following Engin or EvW on Instagram 🤔
Devon is aging but not maturing
Ahahha morozov just shutting the whole useless hammer conversation down
@@sergejmaher144 Devon: Dennis you p00ssy give the hammer to Morozov!!
Morozov: why would I want that shit 😂😂
Epic
Yeah, Engin's puppet
@@hawaiidispenserLol cry more
Cry@@hawaiidispenser
Morozov being a trained monkey for engin lol
Well if the legacy hammers aren't worth anything to them then why not give them back????
Why give back you dumb@ss
Their worth is as a weapon to antagonize Devon.
@@thepierianspring2353 So they are just petty. They lack character just like devon
@@jd-hv2qe Since we both see the character defect in the anti-hammer crowd, that can pass without comment, but what character defect do you believe Devon exhibited? I don't see it. All I see is shockingly passive aggressive behavior in Eastern European males.
@@thepierianspring2353well if you dont see it you gotta be blind
Armwrestling has become like a dramatic soap opera.
Such silliness over a hammer....which was a gift to Denis years ago...grow up and move on. WTF.
In all fairness, it was a gift but with certain expectations that Denis recognized. It's not like there was a hidden agenda. Denis knew what was expected. He should simply honored it. Plain and simple. Devon's right about that. But I agree that it's getting out of hand and is a bit ridiculous. If he isn't going to give it back, he isn't going to give it back. Unless Devon is willing to try to take it from him physically, no point in keeping all this up. Denis is simply not going to comply with his wishes. It's going absolutely nowhere but maybe Devon likes the fact that it's stirring sh!t up since that is usually to his liking. Getting attention for the sport. Good, bad or indifferent.
it's like a histrionic ex girlfriend getting left on read by denis
I knew this would happen.
Engin’s Ego vs Devon’s Id…with Pradeep as the Superego.
Just ignore the WAL on it, Engin.
Every time Devon gets a new haemorrhoid, the entire arm wrestling community has to endure the drama... Lame
The purpose of the Hammers is specifically for this reason. They are supposed to represent the undisputed left and right world champions, bridging across all organizations. It was meant to represent the freedom of the sport, that the sport belongs to the athletes, and not the promoters. If promoters start denying the exchange of this legacy, or dividing the athletes apart again, it is going to die just as fast as it has grown these past few years. The hammers must be held by the true champions, their names engraved, and passed on. This is the way 💪🏻
Excellent points.
Dude thats why the belt exists, the hammer is just a trophy from a dead organization and it shouldn't even be ALLOWED to be on East vs West to begin with.
@@TLTRambo When the organization died, the athletes were free to do what they wanted with the trophy, and this is what they wanted. Again, it’s about respecting the athletes. The promoters will just separate them and we will have multiple organizations claiming that they have the “top guy” whilst not letting their “top guy” compete against someone outside the promotion. We all want to know who the best guy is, and this is how. The belt ONLY means you are EvW champ, not world champ.
You're dumb@ss
@@TLTRambodo belts show the champions of every person who’ve held it? No. And even if you write on every belt the names of every champion, it wasn’t held by those champions and defended by them.
The arm wrestling community, Engin, Dennis … all have no honor.
Devon comes from an "Honor Culture" like the American South, "Honor Culture" is a high trust culture all of Devon's actions make sense within this culture. It never occurred to him that someone would accept the hammer and not operate within the constraints of the culture that created the hammer. To not pass on the hammer is to disrespect Devon and does indicate a lack of honor.
Americans have no honour actually
@@hacker-dude You're wrong, but not by much. The dominant political philosophy in America sprang from the Puritans/Roundheads in the North, they warred against the "Southerners" way back in England. The English Civil Wars continued on in America. The Northern fanatics lost their religion (Puritanism), but not the desire of Puritanism, to remake the world in its image. "Americas" mad foreign policy is an example of that policy. As Henry Kissinger said, "It's dangerous to be the enemy of the United States, it's even more dangerous to be a friend." The lapsed Puritans are a bunch of snakes, and liars.
Devon is correct. If Denis can't compete on the left then pass the hammer to somebody that can. Gives extra meaning to the hammer and the man that defends it.
It is a WAL trophy though that event is no longer continued, and Denis is the last guy who won the hammer so imo the trophy rightfully resides with him
100%
@@cikomemes7023No.
Why Devon wants it to be transferred, Denis fled Devon and won that medal now he doesn't compete so he doesn't pass it because it's his trophy and there's no written rule that you have to pass it
@@cikomemes7023 Nah, Devon won that hammer and GAVE his trophy to Denis with the understanding it should be passed down. WAL pretty much has nothing to do with it.
Everything they do is in the interest of Devon Larratt's reputation and nothing else.
First tym I have seen a big armwrestler go against Engin Terzi..But to be honest Engin seems to be right this time
Devon was going against Engin for a while before his Prudnyk match
The thing is, we can start an organization just like east vs west if we want to. We love Engin and love these promotions but we are playing along with it. If North America pulls out and decides to do our own promotions, East vs West is nothing. North America is clearly paying the most and making EvW as big as it’s been. Engin needs to be careful. It really won’t be difficult for us to completely take over but that’s not the point. We love having foreign competitors, but if it’s not going to be a mutual endeavor than NA can definitely make EvW a thing of the past just like WAL.
@@Bennythecoredriver lmao.
Devon is a clown and has more and more haters each month....
Atleast his real fans aren't as soft as baby poo.
He also has more and more supporters. He's bigger than all the rest of the top arm wrestlers put together. You have guys like Schoolboy but they are not top armwrestlers.
@@stevenrintoul2381Turning heel and becoming an arrogant clown was a bad move
Don't be surprised the day Devon no longer needs Engin and starts badmouthing him. Devon has no friends but interests at stake, just look at how he makes fun of his "friends" when he has to compete against them, as he did recently with Leonidas.
That's selling the match which should be obvious. It was a proper mismatch so to sell you gotta drum up intyerest. To everyone with a brain it was not an interesting match.
There are better ways to promote a match without appealing to the disparagement and personal attack of the opponent.
@@stevenrintoul2381I bet no one buys a ppv because he wants to watch trash talking. But the actual match. Wake up.
lmfao you are chronically online. Devon is living in your head rent free.
devon cumchuggers never log off. all look like toomgis irl.
Most pay per views are selling because of Devon ,he has say on everything he can easily destroy east vs west if he wants and join a new league,i think legacy is every sport to move forward and legacy hammer thing is really good idea , after like 20 years it has more value nd then everyone will fight for that hammer
I will do anything as I sell more pay per views is called as blackmailing
These organisations put together these events for the fan of armwrestling l, not for Devon Larratt’s worshippers. With or without him, armwrestling will live on, and so will the PPV’s
I don’t really care about the legacy hammer, but Engin making gauntlets to be the new legacy while Devon is mid fighting for this is a huge back stab. With Engin shady business shit trying to stop other leagues etc more and more I really can’t stand him. Hope one day a true monster of a league comes and pushes him out and makes it legitimately main stream.
Guy acts like a little kid and throws tantrums and thinks he is some god to arm wrestling lol. Mean while in interviews an arm wrestler will be answering his question as he stares at his phone and is not even paying attention. Looking for “super chats” like an unprofessional idiot.
I don't like him either
Engin uses mafia tactics to intimidate and bribe pullers. He is corrupt and wants to control the sport.
He looks at his phone trying to find any comment he doesn't like to erase it and block the person who posted it
the best comment so far
My favorite arm wrestler is morozov but I understand what Devon wants to do, the legacy hammer means a lot and I would love to see it continue to grow despite all the change of the arm wrestling world, don’t let it die I didn’t like the gear up again and have a kidney failure part, but that is how you attract people
I don’t understand why the fans want to defend contracts and leagues that bind the speech and freedom of the athletes. That’s why east vs West was originally celebrated- it bridged leagues and connected the athletes. Now it seeks to bind rhem
Devon is roid raging once again while he preps for Oleg
Devon is such a baby haha
Him not going after travis's hammer makes me think he wants to shit on dennis
Levon has the Right sided hammer in the open class. Maybe travis got that before the traveling hammer or a lower weight class.
I think that it's more because the legacy hammer that denis has, has Devon's name on it, and he wants to be part of it too because he handed it to Denis, wich is still really bad and very childish
@@joseywales898The hammer Devon passe to Levan was his 115 WAL title hammer, the right arm superheavyweight hammer belongs to Michael Todd and the left arm one (superheavyweight) to Travis Bagent
WAL league is done and dusted, so should be any trophy related to it.
Actually Devon shouldn't have given the right hand hammer to Levan.
If WAL comes back then let them setup a match for Denis OR ask him to atleast pass the hammer to worthy person.
I am fan of Devon but I would like him to move on. There is so much happening lets focus on them.
Make peace within and forget the WAL hammer.
Devon is gonna show up a Beast, he hasnt been this motivated in awhile .... 💪💪🇨🇦
Also - i think Engin is posting AND coming up with these messages ...
morozov is hiding from vitaly though
Everyone knows that Devon is the most famous arm wrestler, But I never will understand why that he seems to get off on stirring up conflict & division!🤔
Denis is a hammer hiding rat with no honor
Just make 2 new legacy hammers, that the purpose since the beginning is representing all the super heavy champs that have existed along the ages, with a lot of free space so names can be written as time goes by, and make the "name printing" a standard pattern doesnt matter who gets to write a name there it will be the same font and size as the other ones. What Devon wants is the heritage to be represented, so there you go, let dennis keep that hammer, and make 2 new ones with EvW and Kott backing it up
Im a fan of Devon , but....I think Morozov is gonna tear his arm off and shit in the hole
noone cares about devon's trophy and he is crying like a sissy ;)
That's wonderful times.
That sissy would destroy you, so what does that say about you?
He's right tho @@austinshade7155
@@austinshade7155how do you know that? Maybe this guy boxes or is a Jiu-Jitsu black belt or any number of things that's qualifies him as a bad @ss. And yes, I know Devon's background. That's not the point.. I always think it's funny when people hold their heroes up so high that they are blinded by these things. No One is invincible.
@@dqrepsWaoooo!! So true ❤
@@austinshade7155Saying like you have defeated denis or devon or levan or even top1000 of sport
I think Devon is still promoting the oleg match. It might not be as much as other matches. The guy has done more promo for AW then any organization or person out there imo. But to be fair its the promotors job to promo the match not the pullers. Devons name alone is a major selling point. AW needs to learn to sell matches without him cause he wont be here forever.
100%
Where's the honnor in holding a Left arm champion hammer, when you're not, and not even defending it, and aren't the rightful owner of it.
Pretty lame, especially from a past champion.
Denis should not hold the hammer if he is no longer competing that is the rule the legacy!
Where is that written officially?
@@topnotchtsi The rule is between arm wrestlers. John, pass the hammer MT pass the hammer Marcio pass the hammer Devon pass the Hammer
@Andrew_EvsW unless it's some kind of contract signed by all the athletes then none of this BS by Devon (and Devon only) holds up in the REAL world. Which I am afraid is not where Devon or any of his cult followers live
@@topnotchtsi there is no cult dude what are you talking about? It's a legacy!
The legacy is signed on the hammer, John and ther rest...
@Andrew_EvsW not calling the made up hammer legacy a cult. I am calling all of Devons fanbois a cult.
I'm sure after seeing how Devon acts these days, John is embarrassed to be associated with it as he (like Denis) does not conduct himself in such an immature fashion
Always good win which is Denis Cyplenkov.
Devon you showed how hateful feelings you have had towards Denis. Put in your mind even if you play left hand match and win you will stay unsatisfied in your heart, mind and soul because you know no way to defeat Denis in his prime even though if he healed and recover and return not in his prime you can not beat him at all so accept it Devon and be respectful
Devon acts like he’s some kind of big authority, he needs to put his ego aside, because while he pulls in EvW, Engin owns him just like WAL did before him.
what if we added the logo's for all the major leagues to the hammer instead of remove WAL'S logo
Yea I agree. I think Engin is behind the Morozov thing. Devon is 💯 in the right to want the legacy hammer passed to the next
It's lightheavyweight hammer you dummy
Being in the right in the topic yeah. Attitude wise he acts like crap.
Insulting Denis and bullying him like that is not ok. Being right doesn't mean you can humiliate someone so badly especially someone like Denis who is one of the kindest guys ever
'It got to this point because Devon told Dennis ''many many times'' to give the hammer up, it belongs to the best lefty at the moment.
Devon can want anything. Another thing is, does anyone care what Devon wants?
Devon grasping at straw as he sees his career wrapping up
Wrapping up? He's fighting for a world title.
@@cmeeoutdoors7556 also its wrapping up
Cry baby Devon
Devon wants the hammer to be a thing but just bc he is jazzed about the concept doesn’t mean everyone else signed up too. Imagine winning the hammer when you don’t really find it significant and have to worry about storing it and shipping it to the next champ all bc one guy wants it to be a tradition.
Because he is right. The legacy hammer was explained so i dunno what denis doing...
If you are right you not back down. Even when hole world against you
It only was explained by Devon and WAL. He doesnt decide for the whole sport what the "Tradition" is. For most Athletes this Hammer doesnt mean a thing atm. Mrozov and i bet Laletin and Muratov couldnt care less about an old WAL Hammer. The Concept is cool but discuss it and not just insult everyone who has another Idea or is against it.
Perdeep saying "even the fans aren't behind him on this" is b.s. The comments I see are overwhelmingly in favor of Devon's argument.
Love Devon. I’m a huge fan but let’s be honest here… who really gives a sh!t about the Legacy Hammer?
Asking Denis to give the hammer to the top left arm guy isn’t disrespecting him. That’s the point of the legacy hammer, you carve your name onto it and pass it on once you lose or can’t compete. That’s something every athlete has done, no matter how much they would want to keep it. Not letting go of that hammer is disrespect to the sport.
Artyom said he dindt need the hammer as WAL itself is over, should be the end of it
Devon made this hammer for the sport as a gesture from his heart and athletes not giving a crap about it is a little disrespectful...
Well, i think that the things devon is saying right now are a lot more disrespectful than that, even though i agree that denis should pass the hammer but there's no need to say the things that devon is saying.
@@mistermaster1119 agreed
Micheal todd forged it, not devon
Devon didn't do them, they were given by WAL.
And btw, Devon's hammers weren't even from the absolute class, those are with Travis Bagent and Micheal Todd
@@mistermaster1119 Exactly!!
I am a Devon fan and tbh i don't really care about the hammer, its cool and all and maybe Dennis and should give it up, but i don't care enough.
Yeah I said something a while back that something must be going on between them.
The problem is that Devon has no respect if he was people would be on his side.
Plenty of people are, you are in a bubble
@@megyskermikeyeah, but also plenty of people who think that denis should pass the hammer also think that Devon is being an idiot about this
Love your videos, keep up the great work!
I think Devon is about to go all in for the King of the Table league. Burning a lot of bridges with E vs W.
EvW and Engin is trash. I'm not buying another ppv unless the hammer gets passed.
Devon can talk about what he wants idk why you say he shouldn't talk about that or that etc not everything is about upcoming EVW
Devon lost his mind because of Hammer of Denis in 2024
I do think his comment about the hammer is silly though. Devon is right, it's not about one person or one league. It's a legacy hammer between the pullers/ the competitors.
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That's a good observation, he started this whenever he was not allowed to fight Morozov. Maybe he is just angry because of this and now he is just using the hammer as an excuse to start a war.
To all Devon and Denis fans. To say Denis has destroy his kidneys you have to have solid proof. If you dont have it,and just yapping around that not fair to Denis. Tell me who in this days dont use any kind of steroid to improve himself? And last question. Show me any another athlete whos wife running around, and making statements like Devon wife? Is she competing in any events,or maybe she famous? It doesn't matter for me who has this hammer, if that so important for Devon, just ask your fans, you have over million of them. If we give you one dollar each, you can make better hammer. Just stop crying around.
Denis destroyed his kidneys, he went to hospital. Its common knowledge
Denis is a hammer hiding rat
@@michaelcook6483 And do you know that for sure? You have proof? Show me plz where to look, so I will know what you know. Don't play that game about your knowledge. Sry ppl will not trust your judgment. Just so you know, after kidney stop working, person will start do dialysis, just to stay somehow healthy. Like I said before, stop plz spread lies around. Plz just facts.
@@michaelcook6483 Just so you know, his doctor was making statement, that Dennis had rupture his blood vessel, which one go to kidney, that what I know for sure. And you just spreading lies al over internet .
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@@desbat6065 what líes? I just said he wrecked his kidneys, which is true.
Devon started this idea of the legacy hammer and in some ways I think it can be cool but Engin will never allow anything to compete against his brand. I can see both sides but I think the sport has grown to a point where there may not be much room for the legacy hammer in the future.
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Why would anyone be against the legacy hammer? It’s a cultural symbol that will show the history and legacy of the top champion. Think about in 50 years what that hammer could represent, and the history that it could show. Part of being a champion is knowing when you’re no longer the top guy and celebrating the rise of new champions to progress the sport.
I know Devon is the biggest name in armwrestling... But you don't have to do a video about him everyday to try and get views.
True words and he's a hater also of Devon.
Jännä miten herkkä Devon on jos häneen kohdistuu jotakin vaikka hän itse tykkää soitella suutaan.
You will see a lot of moderation in Engin’s posts. No way any successful American businessman would EVER work with Engin unless they had full control over Engin’s social media based dictatorial patriarchy. This is just the beginning.
This issue will end if future competitors stop accepting the hammer, thats it. Competitors should not accept this hammer since you'll be attacked by Devon if you decide not to pass it on.
That still have morozov is hilarious 😂 he's too funny. What a goof.
The legacy hammer is meant to be a symbolic symbol, not a contact ridden trophy. Armwrestling needs less focus on contracts or leagues and I think Engin and Denis need to let go of this idea of control and support the cultural symbol that the legacy hammer could represent
Watch devons unboxing. He said he's pretty much over it and Is most likely wrong. At this point I think it's best if it's left alone.
Is someone not returning the toy??? 😂
I get what they were trying to do with the hammer. The huge problem with it is it still has WAL on it. Rip that off and put EvW on it and then you can have something different than just another "title belt". Theyre handing out belts for everything. Hell; i could go to a wwe show and buy a better looking belt than EvW's. Forge your own hammer.
Devon give his hammer to levan in his 1st match against him
yall hating to devon for no reason. the idea of legacy hammer is to keep legacy and pass it down to another champion. Denis is just ignoring devons dms and disrespecting legacy hammer.
50/50? Where did you get that number?
Devon got destroyed by Kamil, but still wants a match for the "legacy" against Denis...what a useless hammer
I rarely agree with you on all points (which I enjoy different perspectives are important). But you kinda nailed it in my opinion on all points. Hopefully they can alter the hammer or make a new one, trade one to Denis in exchange. Whatever. But after the petrenko match.
It would make sense to take off the wal and having a healthy Denis defend it but against morozov that is the actual super heavyweight champion. Or pass it down to morozov to defend it. But honestly i think Devon should just give up and say (« the hammers are with to the rightful owners for that time and it’s time for something else with east vs west and king of the table ».)Because levan either won’t bring it to next event even if he loses engin won’t allow it anyways.
Way too much politics in arm wrestling
Auden vs Aabhas
Needs to forget about the hammer and make a new item. Void of any league or promoter. Make it based on integrity and community. Start anew
the hammer is a great idea(a symbol for the very best)..it should have nothing to do with a league(take the logo away if the dictator is offended again..)..how is Denis not ashamed to have it after six years...
Many people are misunderstanding the part about it "being yours to do as you see fit." The legacy hammer is suppose to be in the hands of the best, for them to alter as they see fit. So Morozov, or rightful recipient, can alter the WAL logo as they wish, or even add EvsW. One thing is certain, Denis is a turd, and has misunderstood the entire assignment.
The concept of the legacy hammer was fine when there were no organizations and armwrestling hadn’t matured to the point it is now.
At this point though, nobody cares about it anymore but Devon. We have official organizations with official belts and champions now. The hammers don’t matter anymore. They honestly never mattered to anyone but Devon anyways. Denis won that hammer at a time when nobody ever knew that was the concept anyways. Devon didn’t start talking about that until the Michael Todd situation anyways when they started giving it back and forth to each other.
That hammer belongs to Denis and that’s where it should remain forever. Now we have official titles and official championship anyways with belts from an accredited organization. Everything else is meaningless.
He cares that’s y the sport is here now . He respects every org nd everything related to arm wrestling
@@Senseiop12 the sport is here now because of people like Larry wheels and juji who gave Devon a platform. Larry built king of the table to showcase Devon. Engin built east vs west to gather everyone around the world to compete against each other.
Devon may be the most popular armwrestler, but in the end the sport would be nowhere right now without Larry wheels and engine building brands to showcase these talents. Devon has built nothing but his own following here. He’s never organized anything, and in fact has been the one to cause alot of divide and controversy in the community over the years.
Say what you want, but his opinion on the legacy hammer is irrelevant at this point. Nobody cares about them but him. Every interview is about pullers saying they want to be East vs west champion. Nobody ever says they are coming for the hammers.
If Denis is stupid enough to echo your sentiment then he will lose respect.
The simple fact of the matter is that Devon is right, but his rude demeanor makes it where no one wants to take his side.
In a matter of honor where no one is being honorable, no one cares. But the reality is Denis accepted the hammer knowing what people were doing with it. It is an homage to arm wrestling's foundations.
Denis knows that, and is choosing to piss on all those who went before. He gets away with it because Devon is being such a little pissant about how he presents the issue, and because thus far Denis has taken the high road in not responding.
@@rignanroach1775 actually you’re wrong. When Denis won the hammer it wasn’t even talked about as a legacy hammer back then.
The WAL still existed at that point. Devon didn’t even pull Dave Chaffee in the WAL yet at that point. I didn’t bother reading the rest of all the hot air you wrote…because none of it matters after that statement.
The hammers have no legacy to anyone but Devon. Even Travis laughs at him for it. They aren’t even superheavyweight hammers. It’s a joke and the concept while ok at first, doesn’t even make sense anymore.
@@PrimeA169Every platform needs a star & vice versa... It's a symbiotic relationship. Larry couldn't put together KOTT without Devon, and it certainly wouldn't have been a viable business venture without a showman like Devon. On top of that, among AW athletes, Devon has been the most active promoter of arm wrestling events like KOTT & EvW, and the most entertaining one, which is why their highest PPVs have been with Devon. And the recent EvW even had Devon as co-host because Engin was still recovering. So please don't pretend like Devon hasn't contributed a ton to growing the sport. He even helps out other athletes like Ermes with training advice to improve, and helped Levan get good stem cell treatment from Vitacell... Both Ermes & Levan have acknowledged & appreciated Devon's help in their past posts. These are objective facts, that any fair fan can't deny.
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If the WAL hammers were so important about legacy why isn't devon hounding travis and micheal to give the ACTUAL hammers of the absolute category that were given to the actual champions clearly devon just wants to hate on denis for views
WAL has seen a decline in relevance when it comes to elite arm wrestlers competing. And the legacy hammer started what 10 years ago?
Devon’s going pretty hard on this but he’s right. The hammer is cool. It’s a nice additional thing to give to the top guy.
Denis should just hand the damn thing over to someone ffs. What’s the big deal? Just hand it to Vitaly. Totally ridiculous and unnecessary.
He should've just kept the hammer
The legacy hammer is meant to be a symbolic symbol, not a contact ridden trophy. Armwrestling needs less focus on contracts or leagues and I think Engin and Denis need to let go of this idea of control and support the cultural symbol that the legacy hammer could represent. I feel denis has too much ego to accept that he is no longer the left arm champion and therefore he cannot let go of the hammer out of pride