JFK (2/7) Movie CLIP - Crossfire in Daley Plaza (1991) HD
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Lou Ivon (Jay O. Sanders) gives Jim Garrison (Kevin Costner) a demonstration in shooting a rifle at the book depository in Daley Plaza to show that it would be impossible for one man to have shot President Kennedy alone.
FILM DESCRIPTION:
The November 22, 1963, assassination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy shocked the nation and the world. The brisk investigation of that murder conducted under the guidance of Supreme Court Justice Earl Warren distressed many observers, even though subsequent careful investigations have been unable to find much fault with the conclusions his commission drew, the central one of which was that the assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, acted alone. Instead of satisfying the public, one result of the Warren Commission Report was that an unimaginable number of plausible conspiracy theories were bruited about, and these have supported a sizeable publishing mini-industry ever since. In making this movie, director Oliver Stone had his pick of supposed or real investigative flaws to draw from and has constructed what some reviewers felt was one of the most compelling (and controversial) political detective thrillers ever to emerge from American cinema. Long before filming was completed, Stone was fending off heated accusations of artistic and historical irresponsibility, and these only intensified after the film was released. In the story, New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison (Kevin Costner) is convinced that there are some big flaws in the investigation of Oswald (Gary Oldman), and he sets out to recreate the events leading up to the assassination. Along the way, he stumbles across evidence that a great many people had reason to want to see the president killed, and he is convinced that some of them worked in concert to frame Oswald as the killer. Among the suspects are Lyndon Baines Johnson (the next president), the CIA, J. Edgar Hoover, and the Mafia. Over the course of gathering what he believes to be evidence of a conspiracy, Garrison unveils some of the grittier aspects of New Orleans society, focusing on the shady activities of local businessman Clay Shaw (Tommy Lee Jones). Garrison's investigations culminate in his conducting a show trial that he knows he will lose and which he is sure will ruin his career in order to get his evidence into the public record where it can't be buried again. This movie won two of the many Academy Awards for which it was nominated: one for Best Photography (Robert Richardson) and the other for Editing (Joe Hutshing).
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TM & © Warner Bros. (1991)
Cast: Kevin Costner, Jay O. Sanders, John Connally, Nellie Connally, Jacqueline Kennedy, John F. Kennedy
Director: Oliver Stone
Producers: A. Kitman Ho, Arnon Milchan, Joseph P. Reidy, Oliver Stone, Clayton Townsend
Screenwriters: Oliver Stone, Zachary Sklar, Jim Garrison, Jim Marrs
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1:39 "Lemme ask ya somethin' Lou. You think these people driving up Houston Street are gonna get antsy when they see me stickin' this Carcano out this infamous window and pointin' it in their direction?"
+Thanos of Titan Haha finally someone wonders the same thing
Seriously. How did they not notice?
The Dark because those cars were driven by stuntmen, those are cars from 50s-60s and the movie wad made in 1991'
Quite well aware of that. I saw it in a theater when it came out. It was just a joke.
@@gertrudemcfuzz74 I just got your name. That's good.
I always found Gary Oldmans performance of Oswald to be one of the most spookiest portrayals on film.....
+Fred B. Boy that must been quite a spooky portrayal.
Fred B. It sure is!!
I remember a TV movie back in the 70’s that speculated what Oswald’s trial would’ve been like had he lived and it had John Pleshette as Oswald, he was a dead-on lookalike for him
Makes him out to be loner creeper which he wasn't
Chatahooche
What scares me is how people do not question the government these days. Not only that, they attack those who do.
There is a difference between questioning the goverment by saying that vaccines cause autism and that the world is flat and beliveing the goverment may have assainated someone
@@siggi3712 my goodness I think you are correct and it's the other way around. It seems nobody trusts anything unless its said on their favorite partisan political opinion show. I mean we have folks that know more than NFL coaches and world accredited scientists who never coached a game or performed work toward a scientific thesis in their lives. Our National motto should be
"America the land where everybody knows more about a job than the folks that have been doing it for years". We have become a Nation of non evidence based skepticism.
How do you question 535 people?
@Another Wacko in what respect? A misinformation campaign regarding what? Certainly not the Kennedy Assassination. That was probably the most investigated crime in this Nations history and maybe world history. There were literally thousands of interviews conducted during the investigation.
@@nicholasviergutz9765 easy. There is an election every two years.
Me explaining to the server how the guy who killed me was aimbotting
Hahahhah
Yes
Hehe
@Pill Smith woooosh
@Pill Smith its a virgin reddit thing, it means that either you didnt get the joke or did t know there was one, search up r/woosh
The secreat service guy who jumped on the car when jfk was hit. Wrote a book. Dont like polotics or conspiracy. But he says being on the ground, it felt like being shot at by multiple targets and doesnt believe Oswald did it.
Was he a polo player?
@Dionysus Too fast for a lone gunman. Kennedy was killed in 7sec or less no matter how good Oswald was with a rifle.
@@iamgoat5863 Dude, I agree, Oswald was weak. He could barely shoot a gun, I think he was a gun man, But I don’t think he acted alone.
@Dionysus Firing fast is one thing. Actually aiming and cycling that rifle is another story.
@Rob Foam not all the time some shooters are not used to cold bore shots, it is indeed so that cold bores will always be more accurate tho not precise and ideal for grouping hence why some sharpshooters use paper to patch their rounds its to get the closest effects a cold bore would give
Seems after 50 years. They still refuse to release report.....
One word. GOVERNMENT
waptek they still held back or just blacked out many files
They’ll release it when everyone who was alive when it happened is dead. So maybe around 2063 or so....
The Secret Service man in the car following Kennedy did the fatal head wound , although by accident , with his AR15 “Black gun”
@Shadow Equinox the US hadn't committed to combat troops to Vietnam yet. Learn some history
Gary Oldman should have won an Oscar for such an excellent film, he met Oswald's friends, wife and daughters, to perfect this role.
Then again many of the best never got an Oscar (Clift) or only got one (Bogart), tells a lot about the Hollywood machine. And Oldman and many others would have deserved several. The best dont need Oscars. Acting skills are measured and credited by other things entirely.
You can win Oscars nowadays for being Woke and Slapping anyone on stage.
Well Tommy Lee Jones was nominated for his portrayal of Clay Shaw and I'd argue rightfully so.
But if I had to choose, best supporting actor that year would have gone to Ted Levine for his performance of Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs but sadly he wasn't even nominated for an Oscar.
That said, Oldman is an excellent actor and one of my favorites of all time.
But his best performances for me are Dracula in Bram Stoker's Dracula and Norman Stansfield in Léon.
Oswald had no friends tho
@@hashiramasayan162you just can’t be white
2:57 one of the best edited sequences to ever exist. Building suspense while depriving you of the actual headshot.
It made me squint in anticipation because I do NOT want to see the headshot ever again
The movie shows JFK getting shot in the head though. It surprised me that itd actually show that part because it was very graphic and hard to see. But im glad they showed it because someone shot in the back of the head has their head thrown forward and not backwards like JFKs head was. He was 100% shot from the front on the kill shot by the grassy knoll sniper.
@@ohio72213 but Oswald did fire at least one of the shots, probably the first shot that hit Kennedy in the back of his neck and exited his throat
No, not showing the head exploding sucks, I had to immeidelty go re watch the video about 5 times to be satisfied for the 1 missed mistake these filmmakers made, JFK got absolutely blasted, his face literally exploded
@@ohio72213absolutely there was. Probably a sharpshooter and 1 spotter to track and pick up shells and another spotter to take away the gun, like what Lee Bowers said he saw. And then they whacked Lee Bowers along with many others. It was the CIA using the mobs hitmen in my opinion.
There are three missing frames from the Zapruder film. Jfk shot first
Ha ha ha, just not that day, right?
So Oswald was just engaging in Self defense, LOL
And you no why 😠
Actually, you can see Kennedy mouthing "Maclunkey" before he gets hit and raises his hands to his throat.
It was perfect to setup Oswald
The JFK assasination is so strange. I have went from thinking there was no conspiracy to knowing there was a conspiracy to suspecting there may not have been one and back around and not always in that order.
Same and it's also very tragic not only him but the whole Kennedy family
I was 16 years old and there were only three shots. Governor Connelly and his wife said they all came from the rear over their right shoulders. There was NO conspiracy. I used to think so but after 56 years nothing has come to light to explain who was involved other than Oswald. It was just Lee Harvey and nobody else. Oswald wasn't placed at the school book depository. He found out from his wife he may be able to get a job there and the manager almost didn't hire him.
@@boblackey1 damn, your old grandpa
I read somewhere that JFK assassination conspirators is vice president, KGB and The Mafia.
well there was
The way Oswald died tells you that something isn't right with this case.
Actually, no
When a man yells out I am a patsy and then gets killed by organized crime, who kill for money. He was probably a patsy.
Jack Ruby had cancer and was give 3-6 months to live, by doing this for the "Family", his family would be taken care of for life.
@@Zulu4impi sure dude. Lol. Ruby was a nobody bookie, he wasn't some made guy lmao
Yes, absolutely so why was his wife and child so well taken care of after the death of Oswald?
"That's how a conspiracy works. Them boys on the grassy knoll, they were dead within three hours. Buried in the damn desert in unmarked graves past Terlingua." "And you know this for a fact?" "Still got the shovel."
I love that movie
Levon Helm could sure steal a scene. Too bad they didn't find a part for him in JFK.
Shooter. LOL
That’s how a conspiracy works…
Better yet - three can keep a secret if two of them are dead.
The absurdity of pretty much every conspiracy theory ever…
When I was a kid, my dad took me to see JFK as he traveled thru Baltimore....we were on the corner of North Avenue and Harford road, my dad
was surprised at the open limo and even commented on how unsafe it looked if someone wanted to hurt the President.....we were 6 feet from JFK, most exciting day of my young life......
That's awesome. Lucky you
Man! I'm glad you aren't getting shot by that patsy Oswald The Lucky Rabbit with a gun.
Different time, different ways of thinking when it came to protecting the President
JFK wanted the open limo. The Secret Service did not.
@@jennifersman7990 no it's cause it was set up
That 3, 2, 1, countdown at 2:52 is horrifyingly brilliant in its rapid-fire barrage of images surrounding the assassination of JFK.
@@harp5713 hard for Jackie? Ya think? Lol
@@kbanghart What kind of heartless comment is that? It's beyond stupid and tasteless..
@@vernpascal1531 bless you
Ok
Did it show it 😣
It's been longer since this film came out than the time between JFK being shot and the movie. Crazy
And in this scene, set in 1967 (?), more time had not only elapsed since the day of the assassination, that period of time was also longer than John F Kennedy was president.
One of the best edited movies I've ever seen. Just brilliant movie making by Stone here.
Despite all the continuity errors in this scene alone.
@@mediasawdust2458 I don't think they're continuity errors. Stone is jumping time on purpose. And yes, this may be the most bravura editing in film history.
Screw the haters, this is a fantastic movie. It really captures the feeling in the air that so many Americans felt when this happened.
I don't think there was any haters
There are people claiming this movie is a historical travesty. Me included. But I can detach this criticism and admit that this is one of the best movies ever made.
@@bojandolinar1535 Hey When has Oliver Stone ever made an Historical Accurate Film?
@@bluetrailerproductions7488 Evidently you and Bojan are haters, and deny the facts.
@@bojandolinar1535 Best movie, because there was some truth to it. But of course, a nobody like you would ever admit it.
" I'd say these were professional rifle people Chief! Serious people" That was so true!
That's a documentary EVERYBODY should watch BEFORE EVEN OPENING THEIR MOUTH. Probably the BEST documentary I've seen in my life.
I have been at the sixth floor of the former school book depository. You can't stand at the actual window that Oswald "allegedly" fired from,because it is sealed with walls of plexiglass. But you can get pretty darn close. One thing you will notice when you look out at the "X" on Elm St., is how incredibly close it is from the sixth floor window. You could easily throw a rock and hit it. Which makes you wonder.
Yeah and it's only 88 feet from the tip of the stockade fence on the Grassy Knoll to the car at Z ,frame 313 where the fatal shot was fired from, as the Z Film shows, and as many of the closest witnesses in Dealey Plaza, and Medical personnel have described.
@@ricovali9245 those are easy shots. It's amazing how many people try to say they are impossible to make. It is completely the opposite. There has to be four shots for a second shooter theory to be credible and because 3 shots definitely came from the 6th floor window and 93 percent of the people heard 3 shots or less. Only 7 percent thought they heard more than 3. There were actually 11 percent who thought less than 3 shots. Since forensic scientists have ruled out any possible shot from the grassy knoll hitting it's mark and the ear witness testimony I think we can pretty much figure out where the shots that hit their mark cane from.
@Mists & Shadows my god, war and peace. Kennedy was going down a slope on an angle. If there was no angle I could start buying your long analysis. That changes everything. The throat wound did not come from any frontal shot. This is very easy but you out smarting yourself. You obviously are intelligent but no need to over think this. This went down how the WC said it did. Hundreds of people would have had to have been in on a conspiracy. That fact alone should smarten up the opinion section. You Gotta have everybody in on it. Are people trying to tell other folks that dozens of Americans 8n law enforcement are going to be in a conspiracy to kill a popular president. Your telling me there are no a patriots in the dozens that would be in on it? It's insane to think that's even a possibility let alone buy it hook lne and sinker.
The idea of crossfire is something that is often missed by the layman. Crossfire isn't just something that civilians are caught in during war. Its extremely powerful. Even just having 2 shooters overlapping a unit means they have to split and focus on two belligerents at once. To have 3 shooters, triangulated on 1 target! Well, just use your imagination.
Could be a silenced weapon was used as well. Regular rifles were to create confusion while real killer did him.
The problem is, Lee Harvey Oswald was a loner with no friends. The creator of Quantum Leap actually served with him and remembers almost knocking him out for being a loud mouth communist. The guy left America with no friends, he left the military with no friends, he left Russia with no friends…pretty distinct pattern when you actually analyze it.
The notion that Oswald operated with others is supremely flawed, and even his wife said it wouldn’t be in his character. His wife, who confirmed he had no real friends.
The notion that Oswald was a patsy, as Garrison shamelessly argued, is even more flawed! When you have a patsy, you don’t want questions regarding their character, their ability, and the like…why? Because it gives rise to the EXACT questions that have been raised around Oswald.
The reality is that Oswald operated by himself. He pulled off the luckiest shots possible, probably because he was operating with a focus that could only accompany “end of life” decision making. First shot missed, hence he rushed for a second shot that hit, he then adjusted for a confirmed kill shot. Once you’re on target, adjustments are almost subconsciously made.
Anyone with a idea of basic physics would watch the Zabruder film & realise that Oswald wasn’t alone (or probably not even the shooter!) for that matter.
@@bpmuppet72 Says person that has no formal education in physics. Your comment infers that JFK was shot in his front, despite any evidence that occurring.
The best guess for a frontal shot would be his throat, as exit wound was altered when they put in a tracheostomy.
The blood mist clearly depicted in the Zapruder film goes forward, not backward. So the head shot is CLEARLY from the back.
What people like you don’t seem to grasp is that JFK’s body movement is easily attributable to a involuntary nerve-based reaction. Hence, JFK’s fists we’re clinched when his body arrived at Parkland.
@@AirmanRugby6 ignorance is bliss, isn’t it?
This scene is fantastic IMO. The combination of the acting, music and actual footage was great.
Everybody knows it was "The Comedian" on the grassy knoll.
🤣
He was the second shooter behind the fence
Then magneto tried to save him
No it was the Cigarette Smoking man hidden in a storm drain!!
@@cman7113 Or was it the second spitter, on the gravely road?
Kevin Costner is a great actor.... underrated to a certain degree but he does a great job in most of his movies!
JFK, and Dances With Wolves, are two of my favorite movies, that have Kevin Costner in them.
I have to disagreee when it comes to accents; He has never been good at regional accents and his southern accent in the film is unconvincing. It is also more of an accent than Jim Garrison had. In the film "Thirteen Days" about the Cuban Missile Crisis, his Boston accent is sometimes there and sometimes not. It's an irritating thing to notice; especially when everyone else in the film is nailing their accents.
I like several of his movies but he's one of those actors who seems to be the same person in different situations like John Wayne. Even as Ghengis Khan he was just John Wayne
@@mgpanther81 Karen
@@bobbyjay75 Let me know when you're able to flesh that thought out
Here we are years later and now we find out that the CIA had a hand in this.
Somebody should do something!
@@MisterMcKinney The government should do some.......oh hold on
Dude the Mob helped get him elected, then he makes Bobby Attorney General and his him go after them and Hoffa the Head of the Teamsters. It was suicide, the government coverup was more for the embarrassment. The mob did the work.
@@VentureCapitalist202 The CIA likely had a hand with ol' Bobby, too. The CIA were the last people Robert talked with before he was killed.
Watch secret service stand down jfk
I always like how people look at the huge trees now and think they were the same size 60 years ago.
in fact whenever any test was conducted in dealey they trimmed the live oak tree back first .
@@fobrien1 When Martin Luther King was murdered they came out and cut the tree down that was blocking James Earl Ray's view point so it wouldn't be questioned. People questioned the tree blocking Oswald's view as he was supposed to have killed Kennedy through a full strand of tree.
Yeah, they also removed the street sign, with the bullet hole in it shortly afterwards too!
@@bebo5558 oh really was the hole pushing out or or in
@@jetcitysinatra7300 I don't know, I wasn't there, I didn't remove it?
Massively underrated performance by Jay O. Sanders in this movie.
Check out his appearances on Roseanne as Dan Conner’s biker buddy Ziggy for another side of him
I like how the comment above this is one from you posted two years ago and this is one from a year ago.
Hiis performance in "Boss of Bosses" as the FBI agent was also excellent...Tough but human.
Great actor,fellow Texan,aries and former Austinite
agreed!
There was a perfectly good reason why a shooter would not fire while the car was coming up Houston, toward the TSBD: every pair of eyes on the ground would then look straight up at the shooter. By waiting until the car was on Elm all eyes would be following the car moving away.
Interesting!
DoesNotExist305 Well, he was a trained USMC sharpshooter. I'd think such thinking would have become second nature to him, after that. The position for shooting, I mean.
Lee Harvey Oswald as I Knew Him The game JFK Reloaded actually depicts this. If you gun down the President while on Houston, the motorcycle police escorts dismount and run into the Texas School Book Depository Building. In actuality, had Oswald shot JFK on Houston, he would have had to deal with at least half a dozen Secret Service agents as well.
There is no indication at all that Oswald was "psycho", so as a trained Marine he would have thought this through, further establishing that Oswald actually did the killing.
+Lee Harvey Oswald as I Knew Him Bullshit.Whether the target was coming "towards him" or away wouldnt make any difference.The police were all over the TSBD immediately after the shots. How hard would it be for people to see and hear where the shots are coming from? What did he think they would all rush the bridge? LOL They could see and hear shots coming from the TSBD and also from the grassy knoll.
Also, the target moving away from him was on a direct line of sight, moving slowly downhill. I have talked with people who have fired rifles, and they told me that offers one of the best chances to hit a moving target.
The writing, acting, and directing of this film is off the charts.
It will go down in cinema Immorality.
Top 50 Movies of All Time
I'd name this movie as one of my Top 10, and maybe even Top 5 movies, of all time! It's incredibly accurate, and the role-playing by the Actors and Actresses, and even down to the Children, is Spot-On, as far as I'm concerned.
Oliver Stone
My father's brother was there and he was a WW2 veteran I remember him telling my father that the one shot was from a 8 mm Mauser and my father asked him how did he knew that and he told him that the 8mm Mauser was louder than an Italian carcano because he was under fired from both the 8mm Mauser was a German military rifle and it also has a bigger recoil.
Very true I got to shoot one of it about tore my shoulder off I was young
Yes, mauser, arisaka, and carcano and all sound very different and distinct.
One thing is for sure, no pro shooter used a WW2 surplus rifle for this...maybe 8mm Mauser could have been used...but I also think pros would choose a smaller, less recoiling caliber that allows a shorter bolt action (faster follow ups)... .243 Winchester, .308 Winchester, etc.
I think the mail order POS rifle fits the narrative of a lone shooter that was a complete loser in life.
Great scene from a great movie. One of the scenes that pulls this whole movie together.
Yes. Great comment.
Hope the murderers rot in hell.
This movie always gave me shivers. Editing is brilliant.
Editing, that's the key! That's the key!😉
I've been to Dealey Plaza, it's insane being there. The history of the world was changed forever in that one spot.
Was there just a few days ago
@@CaptDeranged it’s pretty insane how small it actually is. Idk if you did but we went to the museum in the top floor of the school book depository. Obviously the actual corner/window where he “shot from” is boxed in by glass exactly how it was found but I was shocked looking out the window next to it because it’s really not far at all. People shoot deer further than that.
@@JacobC479 we did a jfk/oswald tour saw where every thing happened the day of and all that happened after.
@@JacobC479 the house where oswald was staying, where he went to shoot tibbet, and the theater where he was arrested, and where oswald was shot down
Well I live in Dallas and have seen the dealey plaza in rl
He was obviously killed by multiple shooters, the gun fire coming from different directions would confuse the crowd as to where the shooter might be. It was a good tactic because they anticipated the panic that would ensue. It’s the only way how they were able to evade the public eyes.
I agree. I used to think it was Oswald acting alone. But then I lived in Dallas for a while and spent a lot of time at Dealey Plaza. I became convinced that there was another shooter in the Grassy Knoll.
@@christopherhatefi1986 I visited the Grassy Knoll in Dallas back in the 80s. It gave me chills and the feeling of evil looking over that fence. Pictures I'd seen made it look like a longer shot than it was. Witnesses, unknown SS after the shooting, and more make it a no-brainer to me.
@@glennhenson6495 it was a no brainer for JFK too.
Please answer me this: Why would a conspiracy attempting to frame Oswald as the patsy fire from multiple directions, thus advertising that there was indeed a conspiracy? I am unable to find any logic in what you're proposing.
Multiple shooters. Gunfire in different directions. Why does Zapruder NOT MOVE a muscle???? The Zapruder film doesn’t move. Before, during, after the incident. Someone who hears gun fire, will stop filming or at least run for cover. Someone who sees the president’s head blow up through the lens will move in a panic. That’s because the Zapruder film is fake and staged. It’s a movie production.
3 letters : C I A
How about "L... B... J"?
Ironman374 ?
Ironman374 idiot
CIA and the Pentagon for the planing operation,,, FBI (Hoover) and LBJ for the cover up...after that who was in position oppose them...just nobody. And then the american presence in vietnam war beganin 1964... At the time, War was the most dirty lucrative activities on this planet, and stills thec same thing...so horrible ! Nobody should have right to make profits with the selling of military weapons and arsenals..The military sellings should be nationalised and nobodu should have right to make profits with the selling of military weapons...It's a nonsence not just in the USA but all around the wold !!
Dan B Nah, Conally was with him in the Limo, also Johnson goes behind, he never knew it, maybe he then knew but choice not to say anything, like he did in the 68 when he knew who the reason of a peace in vietnam fails was because Mr Thieu has been convinced by Ms Chanelau by orders of Kissinger who was working for Nixon, and he knew like Humphrey but chose not to say it even knowing who he was going to lost, unless they says it, but well they chose wrong, but with good intentions, thinking in the country first rather than themselves,
sorry for my english, (and my cellphone keyboard lol)
Say what you want about the theories that this movie presents but that music cue at 1:55 is incredible. Oliver Stone is a fantastic director.
Yes he is
Amazing
Any John Williams score rarely disappoints.😁
This movie was brilliant as it showed how even though in the end, Jim may have messed up by accussing the wrong guy (Shaw), they both knew that the whole trial and publicity was done knowing very well Shaw would easily be off the hook while exposing other aspects of the assassination that were factual. Many don’t know this, but on his deathbed, Shaw confessed that he was on Jim’s side the whole time as they both knew that the agencies were taking advantage of his loyalty. They knew he would never crack under pressure and allowed him to be the media lightning rod. The only connection the poor guy had to Oswald and Ferrie was that he started out as a handler/bagman for the the two and eventually became a glorified babysitter. I do give Jim props for being amongst one of the very first to speak up, especially during dark times when the mob controlled politicians and had law enforcement agencies on their payroll to do their dirty work. Jim def knew Marcello played a huge role in organizing the hit, but as was exposed in the film and real life, he knew he couldn’t go that far into that direction as they had done business in the past. This was a subtle, yet essential scene in the film to show the intimidation tacts employed by the conspirators and why Jim perhaps never mentioned “a few names” who everybody in New Orleans pretty much knew as an open secret to be responsible for both Kennedy bros deaths!!
Actually, it's 1.57
This clip says it all. Back in 2005 I was visiting Dallas and I took a tour of the book depository. I am a marksman and I wanted to see for myself if the Warren Report was a fraud. I immediately noticed the trees blocking the shot and calculated that a shot from that windows had 1.5 seconds considering the speed of the car, to acquire a target and fire. The distance was about 70 yards. the 6.5 Carcana at best is about a 4 moa rifle. Remember, looking through a scope considerably narrows the field of vision and it takes time to pick up a target. Furthermore, exactly as stated in the clip, from that window it made much more sense to shoot straight on before the car turned. Fewer changes of angle on the moving target. Oswald did not kill Kennedy.
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@@user-gt4lu1os7c shukran
I just came from the book depository and looked out the window. Those trees weren't there in the 60s and it would've been a clear shot for Oswald. My bf is in the military and is experienced with guns, even he says Oswald could've easily shot at Kennedy from up there.
@@marleymarie6192 You are absolutely wrong. the trees were there. First, find original pictures and videos and you will see the trees. Second, after the assassination, it is true that the trees were gone for many years. But when they decided to make the Book Depository a museum, they replanted trees there to recreate the appearance of the site like at the time of the assassination. Your bf is also wrong. First, the 6.5 Carcana is a 4-5 moa rifle, not good enough for three head shots. Second, after the assassination the Israelis setup a mockup of the assassination site and put their best sniper to shoot at a dummy in a moving vehicle at the same angles exactly like in Dallas. After many attempts, he couldn't do it.
@@sandergoldberg4508 Yeah I didn't mean to word it like that. I meant to say the trees weren't as big back then bcuz I asked one of the people who worked at the depository about the trees she said they were there but no where near as big . And I'm sorry but I didn't read the rest of that lol Idk alot about guns but after seeing that place in person I don't see how it's so unbelievable that Oswald did it the first two X's on elm street that mark where jfk was shot arent that far from the window
You. Will never convince me that that last shot came from behind. Science and facts won't let me.
Quite simply - the hole in the back of his head is so large it has to be an exit wound
Looking at Oswald's military record during basic training. He was just one level away from being certified as Marksman, many of his CO's commented that while he was skilled with a rifle he didn't have the natural talent needed to be a true sniper.
He was definitely not a Marksman..
@@butterflycombcomb5158 "In December 1956, he scored 212, which was slightly above the requirements for the designation of sharpshooter. In May 1959 he scored 191, which reduced his rating to marksman."
He literally was a marksman
@Fire&Ice909 Because that's what was cheap and avaliable to buy, Oswald wasn't financially stable
You don't have to be an expert sniper to hit a slowly moving target at 70 yards. People are acting like Dealey Plaza is some huge place. It's not. You can circle the entire perimeter of the plaza in less than 10 mins just walking at a normal pace. The TSD building is not very far from the "kill shot" location.
Yes but actually no there are a ton of snipers in the military not all of them are Carlos hathcock’s (best sniper in u.s history)
It really is ridiculous to believe one man could pull of a hit like that.
John Wick couldn't do that.
Jerry Miculek fired 6 round of hsi revolver reloaded and fired another 6 shots under 3 seconds. Nobody couldn do it either until someone did. And nobody believed that until seeing the video. firing 3 shots in 6 seconds is nto imposible and the shot was not impossible either.
I just came from visiting the location. It's incredibly possible. The trees werent passed the 2nd window at the time so didnt play any factor. The trees shown here are what they look like 30 years later. the shot is easy for even a beginner to make. It's right on top of the target. They have the spots the shots hit marked on the road and you can go up to the 6th floor and look out the window. Ive always believed it was Oswald and based that on his actions after the shooting. Killing the cop and hiding in the theater. After seeing it in person I laugh at conspiracy theorist .
The carcano is a good rifle, ive had one for years, i can easily hit a man sized target with all 6 shoots from 100 yards away in quick succession and I'm just an average marksman, when ppl say its garbage or inaccurate that is a huge misconception! It's just as capable as any other rifle
Believing JFK was killed by one lone gunman is one of the more ridiculous lies every fed to our society. The CIA and powers that be assassinated JFK and has Oswald as their fall guy.
That's Ziggy from Roseanne
In the theatrical release, this scene ended with Costner pulling the trigger after Sanders’ count-down with the impressionistic montage of what happened on that place. In the director’s cut, the scene continues with Costner and Sanders now discussing other topics. That’s why I keep looking for a DVD or Blu-Ray version of the theatrical release of this excellent motion picture. I understand why Oliver Stone prefers his cut: it has more information, more details about the case. But as a movie experience, the theatrical cut is far superior.
I think the 4K set from Shout! has the theatrical cut
Thats what blew me away about this movie every actor every actress played theyre parts with uncanny convincability these actors became the actual characters they portrayed it made my hairs stand on the back of my neck this is by far the best movie Oliver stone has ever directed in cinema history in American history no other movie like it will ever top this movie I mean look at all the A list actors that wanted in on this movie ive seen seen such a gathering ofbig name actors for 1 movie since the rock its historical
Back in those days if you wanted a good military surplus rifle to be ordered out of a magazine the M1 Garand was plentiful, affordable, 8 shots, semi-automatic, and extremely dead accurate. Nobody that was going to do the shooting all by themselves would pick a lousy unreliable bolt action rifle.
Oswald had trained with the M1 Garand as a Marine. Why wouldn't he get one of those? Oswald never fired a shot that day. He was totally set up.
The Carcano is a good rifle, if you use the proper ammunition.
It's hard to add a regular scope since the rounds eject straight up from the action hard with the m1.
@@jimzeez Not when the scope was not aligned right. The FBI had to use shims to fire with the scope.
From the Kleins Ad you could have gotten a M1903 Springfield in 30-06 for $10 more. (Not sure if that included the scope), or for roughly the same price a Lee Enfield Sporter in .303 British. Both rifles would be easy to use, easy to shoot and have ammo available anywhere. Then again. Why order through mail at all? Just go to a gun store in 1962-3 even in New Orleans instead of Dallas?
Funny how you can watch something 100 times and see something new on 101
Yep, I remember when there was 4 people in the car.
The editing in this movie is remarkable.
one of the greatest achievements in film editing, just for that this movie was a masterpiece
This movie was Absolutely amazing
Wrote an extensive research paper in college on the topic. Honestly just gets most colluded the deeper you dig. Things make sense, then they just don’t
It’s a pretty simple case actually .
Is it possible I can get your research work to read?
Hi, I would like access to your work.
@@barryirvin2417yeah if you want to just believe what the “official” story is according to the government
Such incredible filmmaking, editing is off the charts.
I believe that this movie is incredibly accurate. Now, from what I've heard, fingers are definitely pointing to the CIA, as the actual ones that committed this horrific crime...and, if you think about it, it makes perfect sense! President Kennedy had vowed to "Splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces", so it seems to me, that they wanted to stop him from accomplishing that goal.
I've heard other things concerning the CIA, that were bad. I'm not going to say that all of them are bad, though. However, my point is this:It doesn't matter what faction that you belong to. Or if you're just by yourself. There's truly good and bad in every one of us. It's up to us, as to what path we decide to follow. I still believe, that the CIA, FBI, DOJ, and other factions that control our Great Nation, have truly good and sincere people, that work within them...but there are definitely Rogue Elements present here in our Great Nation, that attempt to mess up what could be used for good.
Who was it, that killed President Kennedy? Who really knows? Only God truly knows who it was, that assassinated President Kennedy on that day. 3:15
Being from the DFW area, I appreciate the accuracy of the tx live oaks and they do not shed there leaves until around the end of winter and spring, usually about the first week of March....I know this , I had one in my front yard for 35 yrs...
Most deserved Best Editing Oscar in history.
What's funny is, his test firing from the window is done in 5.35 seconds. Clearly under the time it took Oswald to shoot three rounds.
Yeah don’t see the bigger picture or anything
@@AMC2283 And in the movie they said FBI couldn't match it. They not only matched it, they beat it.
@@johnwelsh2769 before or after this took place? Either way, unless they went back in time and did it instead, they demonstrated nothing. Even if someone did they demonstrated nothing.
@johnwelsh2769 --Good point, and well said. Stone is not only a deceitful film maker, but apparently too thick to catch his own self-contradictions.
@@AMC2283 --Hey, you ol' question dodger. It's typical of you to deflect away from a good point someone has made, this time flitting to some "big picture" notion.
"Zapruder film establishes 3 shots in 5.6 seconds."
Proceeds to fire 3 shots in 5.6 seconds 😆
Fr I timed it and am like “this sums up the movie”😂
I believe Oswald was heavily involved but I also believe he wasn’t the only shooter. There was definitely a plot to kill Kennedy. Jack Ruby was involved too.
Yeah to my beliefs, it was a conspiracy. No way Lee Oswald hit 2/3 within 5.6 seconds through heavy foliage with a minimum reload time of 2.3 seconds. Oswald was in the top depository with a spotter, had a group at the overpass grassy parts with a spotter, and a team in the lower floors of the building next to the depository. The 1st shot was by Oswald and it backfired, the second shot hit Kennedy in the throat which pulled him forward but NOT down. Which means it was taken by the team in the lower floor in the building next to the depository. The 3rd shot took Kennedy in the back fired from Oswald. The 4th shot took James tague by the underpass fired from the team in the grassy overpass. The 5th shot misses Kennedy and hit Governor Connally in the back taken by Oswald. The 6th and final shot took Kennedy in the head fired by the team in the grassy overpass. A few more men were down on the streets and this was all set up by the CIA ot Mobs to have 12 men, three groups carry out the Kennedy hit. Thats my theory and situation and order of events! Absolutely a plot
@@thatloserkyle funny, Oliver Stone had this same scenario. Some professionals...6 shots. 2 missed shots (wait, 2 missed shots, seriously? These are professionals? 🤣) 1 hit in the head. You get all that?
Professional shooters
6 shots
2 misses
1 fatal hit
SOME PLOT
Let me ask you, did anyone ever bother to ask if these snipers ever fired a gun before?🤣🤣
Jack Ruby wasnt involved, theres too much evidence to suggest he wasnt, little to no edidence to say he was
@@zonx. correct. He definitely was not conspiratorially involved.
Jack rubenstein
Some scenes in this movie are like song tracks on a rock album.... You know the intro, the beats, the solos and their resolutions... And yet, we play those "songs" over and over again. In My Playlist!!
Whatever else you think of Garrison he did get the Zapruder film released from Time Life that fought tooth and nail to keep it secret.
What's funny about this scene is, if you personally take a stopwatch to the scene where Lou Ivon fires off three shots, it actually takes him... 5.6 seconds. Oliver Stone accidentally proved the very claim he was trying to debunk in a scene he directed (ignoring for a minute that the Warren Commission did *not* claim Oswald fired off three shots in 5.6 seconds).
And Oswald actually had about 8.3 seconds (and possibly more) to get off the 2nd and 3rd shots.
@user-hh8dn9cp5p --Excellent point. Notice too that the scene opens with a sniper-perspective, left-to-right scan of Main Street, rather than Elm Street where Kennedy was shot. This is obviously intended to make the viewer believe that Oswald’s shots were much longer than they actually were.
Your head doesn't fly backwards from a hunched over position if your shot from behind at long range. The top of his skull landed on the cars trunk. If Ozzy did the kill shot, Governor Connelly would have Kennedy's scalp in his lap after it hit the dashboard.
You are aware blood and gore went in all directions, splattering everybody seated forward in the car, right?
JFK's head went forward when he was hit with the third shot.
He missed 2 shots, he hit the third, when the shot was clearest, and 88 yards is hardly impressive. Oswald was a mediocre marksman in the Marines, but he still qualified with an M14 at 300 yards. He also practiced with his rifle for months.
I’ve been to the Sixth Floor Museum. While you can’t go directly to the window that Oswald shot from, you can look directly out from the window just a few feet away from the sniper’s nest. The spot where Kennedy was shot is actually marked on the street with an X. Standing in the window, you can see for yourself that the shot was not that difficult.
@@taustin266 still doesnt explain the popular theory. like mention why not shoot JFK going down Houston street. straight shot even a 5 year old could make. even if you missed like mentioned. you still got another maybe 2 shots.
@@CertifiedForkLiftOperator69420 Because shooting from an elevated position at a target that is coming towards you is infinitely more difficult than shooting at a target that is moving away from you. It is much easier to shoot moving your rifle upwards from an elevated position to follow a target moving away from you than it is moving your rifle downwards from an elevated position at a target moving towards you.
@@taustin266 WHAT LMAO!!!!!
@@CertifiedForkLiftOperator69420 Just like you're definitely not a cop, you've definitely never handled a rifle, either.
What an amazingly piece of entertainment. Costner was brilliant, entire cast top notch, and Stone at the helm. Story telling at it's finest!
Amazingly?...anyway..the movie is pretty accurate
Accurate too, great film indeed.
Great actor but Jim Garrison was an awful man
When Lou says, ‘When you get him on Elm’ and the music changes my hair stands up
That's where 'Nightmare on Elm St.' Came from.
@@indiglo1971 that’s pretty interesting
This is what happened that morning of November 22, 1963 in Dallas and the Zapruder video speaks very clearly. The presidential limousine turns onto Elm Street and after a few meters the first shot is fired by Nicoletti who, together with Rosselli, was hidden in the Dal Tex Building. The first bullet misses the target and hits the platform of the triple railway crossing at the end of the square and a splinter ends up in the face of James Tague, a passerby who was standing there. The second bullet hits Kennedy in the throat, and as you can see in the footage the president puts his hands to his neck and Governor Connally looks back to see what happened. The third bullet misses and ends up in the lawn where it is later found by an FBI man and deputy sheriff Buddy Walthers. The fourth bullet hits Connally who grimaces in pain as seen in the video and puts his right hand to his stomach because he feels immediate pain and then the bullet passes through his right wrist and lodges in the thigh of his left leg. The fifth bullet hits Kennedy in the back of the head and the sixth bullet, fired by James Files hidden on the grassy knoll half a second after the fifth shot, causes Kennedy's blood and head to splash back, and the brain leaking was due to the pressure of the sixth bullet that had left a hole the size of an apple behind Kennedy's head, as demonstrated by the photos of 14 people who put their hand on the same spot on his head. I say with certainty that there were 6 bullets as it seems that one shot was fired approximately every three seconds, i.e. the time needed to reload the rifle. Returning to Connally, who is the key to clarifying the mystery, there is a lot to say. 1) First of all, from the angle at which Oswald would have been shooting, which was approximately 45 degrees, only Kennedy would have been hit and no one else, the bullet could in no way have made a deviation and then hit the governor. 2) When Kennedy is hit Connally turns back to see what happens and stays like that for about three seconds, the time to reload the shot in the rifle; if the governor had been hit by the magic bullet, at the same time as the president, he would have had the same reaction as Kennedy and would not have had the way or the strength to look back. 3) When Governor Connally is wounded he is still turned away and you can see a grimace of pain as I mentioned before and then he turns forward again and collapses on his wife's legs. So much so that he himself confirms that he was not hit by either the first or third bullet. 4) In the video you can see how Connally hits his head in front of the glass that separates him from the driver's and assistant's seats. 5) Do you know why Connally was hit? Both because Kennedy had thrown himself onto his wife's right shoulder, as by bending he did not hinder the trajectory of the fourth bullet which almost grazed him and hit the governor, and because the shot was fired by Nicoletti from the window of the Dal Tex Building and reached the governor, because Kennedy was leaning towards his wife. Therefore, not only does the first bullet that missed reveal where the shot really came from, but also the one that hit Connally. Indisputable and real evidence, but unfortunately denied by many, including the Warren commission which veiled so much evidence.
This & Jurrasic Park: 2 favorite documentaries.
Costner deserved a Oscar award for this performance
Until you consider Anthony Hopkins as the better pick from 1991; yes that was also a good year in films.
@@StillTheVoid Yes, The Silence of the Lambs was a veritable masterpiece. But this movie dealt with Historical Significance. In my view, having enjoyed both movies, I still prefer JFK. It's a question in a riddle, wrapped up in an enigma. This is a PRESIDENT that we're talking about here! It has much more significance than a Serial Killer named Buffalo Bill, going around killing chubby ladies for their skins!
@@ronaldshank7589 In my opinion, it was a tie. I can't seem to separate both of these films that year of how significant it became from years to come. Also lets not forget about Cape Fear.
@@StillTheVoid Or Terminator 2: Judgement Day. That was a blast and a half, watching that! I'd have to say that, action-wise, that was my favorite movie from 1991. The first Terminator movie from 1984 was good...but T2: Judgement Day was far better than the first Terminator movie. By a veritable long shot!!!
@@ronaldshank7589 I was about to say that. But as I mention before, 1991 was a good year in films. A pretty good line after 25 years.
The editing in this film is spectacular
Even the Academy couldn't deny that was true. Although "JFK" was nominated for several Oscars, Joe Hutshing and Pietro Scalia won for best editing and Robert Richardson won for best cinematography.
November 22, 2020. I can still feel the cold detachment this day holds from the rest of the year. In 2018 I visited Dealey Plaza. The place where JFK was shot. Got a chance to tour the Texas School Book Depository 6th floor where the assassins nest was setup. That floor is a museum now. And the corner window is glassed off. Window still open. The rifle still up there.
Everything about this moment is just as heartbreaking as it is inconclusive. The "Parkland" movie has a quote that said it best “A very undignified end, for a VERY dignified man”.
God I wish this never happened. 💔🇺🇸
Oswald via Russia or the CIA did this. They or another group robbed us all of MLK JR to. Would you have guessed that in other realities MLK JR survives and becomes the first black president.
Oswald goes to russia to try to get in KGB and apparently gets turned away. Returns to the states and offs the president. Mafia played a roll in shutting up Oswald too.
@@micahsmith7298 Exactly
Also how would Oswald know that the motorcade was rolling w the top down that day only the cia and secret service knew that was going to happen
They announced it on the radio.
@betatalk357 EXACTLY. That further points to a massive plot
@@hajjibarbara2900 - By that time, Oswald was already at work.
JFK routinely traveled in open cars.
@@hajjibarbara2900 Still doesnt prove he acted alone.
The movie gives me shivers, the detailing of the plan, the court scene, Jim trying to get justice
"Let Justice be done, though the Heaven falls"
Jim Garrison wasn't after justice, he was after a grand platform to promote his own delusions of grandeur. He dragged an innocent man (Shaw) through the mud, and never apologized afterward. It was a legal circus that the jury, legal experts and sensible folks saw right through. Only the likes of Oliver Stone would lionize the man.
I love scenes like that where nothing apparently happens, just like when in sci-fi movies the characters do ordinary things in the spaceship. Note the fourth wall break at the end absolutely justified.
Jay O Sanders is an underrated actor
The entire claim of "nobody could make these shots" has been heavily debunked by now. Several skilled marksmen, recreating the scenario as best they can, HAVE accomplished these shots all by themselves. One man, one rifle. Same distance, elevation, moving target, etc. It HAS been done.
I still say there was a 2nd spitter behind the gravely road
There have been suggestions of more than one shooter for a while. Not only do they claim Oswald in the TSBD, there' are a guy called David Ferrie as a shooter from the Grassy Knoll, 2 guys supposedly in the Del-Tex building either on 2nd or 3rd floor, and then there is the probability of a shooter in the limo itself.
Lol just watched that on hulu
"There had to have been a second spitter."
@@stevenlitak2464 Jackie would have seen that. No shooter in limo.
"That is one magic loogie."
Probably the best edited film I have ever seen.
This is brilliantly done. The depiction of the shooting here is genuinely disturbing, even though the worst moment isn’t actually shown.
Oswald didn't do this.
+Dominick Fischer Exactly!
+blackfeatherarchery It's just so hard to conclude a shot from the front when all the docs only found JFK to be hit from behind. This included all the subsequent panels over the years that specifically looked for evidence of a conspiracy (HSCA) - heck, even when the HSCA thought they had and acoustic recording of a 4th shot from the knoll, they concluded it must have missed everyone. We learned later that the acoustics were not a recording of Dealey Plaza but the fact remains that even when they thought they had scientific proof of a shot from the knoll, they still couldn't find any evidence that it struck anyone/anything.
A lot of information was with held.
***** What are you referring to? What info?
The assassination footage was edited and the Government is hiding stuff.
A year after his conviction, in March 1965, Ruby conducted a brief televised news conference in which he stated: "Everything pertaining to what's happening has never come to the surface. The world will never know the true facts of what occurred, my motives. The people who had so much to gain, and had such an ulterior motive for putting me in the position I'm in, will never let the true facts come above board to the world." When asked by a reporter, "Are these people in very high positions, Jack?", he responded "Yes."
@Steven Rivers: The public Jack Ruby was a self-promoting blabbermouth who liked to pretend he was more important than he was, and knew more than he knew, etc. In private, he confided to his rabbi, and also to his brother just before he (Ruby) died that he was not a part of nor knew anything about any conspiracy. The fact that he survived uneventfully for 3+ years in prison, with no one trying to silence him, is clear indication there was nothing to silence him about.
@@apointofinterest8574 Interesting theory. Dont buy it though.
@@xMorbidArtx Established facts. per the testimonial accounts of many of Ruby's friends, allies, associates, and even enemies....are hardly a "theory." Go buy some conspiracy book, sit back and enjoy the fiction.
@@apointofinterest8574 Dont need a fiction book when I can just read the bullshit your kind pedals around.
Jack Ruby also said that he believed they were mass murdering Jews beneath the prison where he was held. The man was not particularly credible.
When I went up there and looked out the window in the 5th floor (one below, they don't let u near the window on the actual floor), I was struck at what an extreme angle it was down the 60-80 yards to the car moving away. Made it a lot more awkward and difficult than if the car was closer. Because it was such an extreme angle, I think he would have had to lean out a little bit.
You could go right up to the window next to Oswald's on the sixth floor when I was there; maybe it's different now, but Oswald had easy shots of a target slowly receding from him, making it appear all but stationary.
I worked in the red building across N. Houston from the Book Depository while in graduate school in the mid 90s. I walked Dealey everyday for lunch and I can confirm that my building and obviously the grassy knoll were much better places to take a shot while on Elm. Also one of the shots hit near the guy on the triple overpass which doesn't make sense from the grassy knoll or the school book depository, but makes perfect sense for a shot coming from my building
2.6 seconds to cycle a bolt gun. During the first and second world wars, the british maintained a standard for all infantry riflemen to graduate infantry training. 10 well aimed shots in 12 seconds. If you cant operate a bolt gun quickly and hit a target that's moving not much faster than walking speed at under 75 yards, then you have been spoiled by semiautos and need to practice with your bolt gun.
That rifle was a cheap rifle, besides the fact, all evidence points to the grassy knoll.
He said it "takes a minimum of 2.3 seconds" to reload, while he did it in about 1.3 seconds himself.
At a certain level, JFK is a great comedy.
With all the recent evidence this is even more bone chilling.
No movie trailer ive ever seen in my entire life of seeing & watching movies has ever made my hairs stand on end and brought me to tears when the late great Jim garrison shouted out to the neworleans press at Clay shaws trial those unforgettable immortal words let justice be done or the heavens fall
it was just the movie trailer but truly 1 one of the most important movie made of our time it made me cry hysterically it was too much for me
Honestly one of the greatest films about American history ever created
This movie had over fifty distortions or lies. Stone stated he was making a movie. Not a documentary. 8.3 seconds for two shots. The first starts the clock.
It's a shame this movie isnt talked about as much as it should be
Definitely one of the most entertaining. The scene with Donald Sutherland should be shown to acting classes. The performance is that good!
It's not history. It's fiction. Oswald acted alone. The shots were makable.
@@drowssapma Then explain how the fatal headshot came from the front. There was a small entrance would on Kennedy’s forehead and a massive blown out chunk on the back. Exit wounds will always be bigger than entry wounds. That right there cancels out the whole “lone gunman” theory
Perhaps the most important film ever made.
Oswald missed the General at his home at a distance of 12 feet.
And yet he had three hits at 88 yards?
He must have really practiced hard!
I remember watching this when it was 2 VHS tapes. This film stays with you. They used 2 VHS tapes for long movies because Dances with Wolves was one VHS and it was too much film in one VHS and the reel snapped pretty quickly.
Also, you shoot at a target coming toward you from below, it gets harder and harder because the angle gets higher and higher. Eventually the window gets in your way.
This scene is perhaps the least authentic in the entire film:
- Lou claims that this rifle is the worst in the world, this is completely false.
- He says that Oswald was an average shooter in the USMC, but we now know that he was very well rated in shooting ("sharpshooter" grade).
- He claims the scope was poorly adjustmed when investigators found it, but no report mentions this.
- He claims that the FBI shooters never managed in reproducing these supposed shots, but there is a video on YT which proves that at least 3 of them managed to match Oswald's performance (and two of them did better) under the same conditions.
- Lou mentions the fence as a perfect position for a perfect shot while the image shows that the shot would be almost perpendicular to the path of the car, the shot would be closer but with a transverse movement, which is on the contrary a huge constraint.
- He says that the 2nd and 3rd were fired almost at the same time, but we know today by cross-checking the testimonies that this is false
- Garrison announces a time of 6 to 7 seconds whereas when we actually time it, Lou takes precisely 5.5s from the 1st to the 3rd shot (around 25:30 of the film, we see a flashback of Oswald making the 3 shots in 5.1 seconds)
bro had a mindblowing experience💀💀💀💀
Compelling scene. I spent a day walking all over this area and this scene makes sense. Hard part to grasp is so many people need to be involved to act and cover it up.
What did the local street gang in your town do today?
A.i.c.
@@AMC2283what does that have to do with this
I have visited the Texas Book Suppository - and believe me, Oswald could not have done it alone.
that is what they are proving in this movie
Depository. Unless you're quoting Full Metal Jacket. :)
Depository !
Suppository. Wow, that would really hurt. LMFAO.
All you need to know that it was a conspiracy is the car. Forget about the zupruder film forget about the magic bullet. If you fallow the path of the car after JFK got shot that's all you need to know. The president's car was unnecessarily heavily guarded even after JFK's body was removed from the vehicle and no one was in it. They changed the windshield in the parking lot and transported to Michigan where it was stripped down, refurbished, and cleaned before JFK was even buried. So that's deliberate tampering and destruction of evidence and would indicate a conspiracy.
Yep
I always noted that too
Why wasn't the car preserved as evidence as well?
Ruby shooting Oswald screams conspiracy!!! Other things as well like your saying with the limo.
Obviously
Exactly. These are the smartest intelligence agents America has to offer. Surely they know that the very first thing you do is submit any possible evidence to professionals, regardless of how minuscule it appears. But this is a car full of blood, potential ejected bullets, and generally anything that would help determine the cause of death. It’s ludicrous people don’t discuss this fatal error in the investigation more.
Only damage to the limo was a bullet crack caused from the inside to the windshield and chrome plating, still in the National Archives.
Great sequence. Now I want to watch the movie again. I think they're about as close to the solution as possible. Really good acting.
To illustrate how deceptive this movie is, the actor managed to dry-fire the rifle three times in about 5.3 seconds, not only less than the other character’s estimate of 6 to 7 seconds, but less than the claim for Oswald himself. Oswald was a Marine, had practiced extensively with his rifle, and there are videos all over UA-cam that show people bettering by a good margin the claimed pace of Oswald’s three shots. However one may assess Oswald’s aiming ability, it’s obvious that he had plenty of time to shoot.
A legal autopsy would’ve helped determine who did what from where
@@AMC2283 --My point was only about the time needed for three shots, and to illustrate how deceptive Stone's movie is.
@@cardinalRG my point was if you want to talk deception it starts with the warren report
@@AMC2283 --No, friend, I'm free to talk about a specific deception only, if I care to, especially since this video is as telling of a movie's accuracy as much as of the historical event itself. I made a limited point, which is perfectly reasonable.
"To illustrate how deceptive this movie is, the actor managed to dry-fire the rifle three times in about 5.3 seconds, not only less than the other character’s estimate of 6 to 7 seconds, but less than the claim for Oswald himself." cardinal
well the second counter for the video has the first shot at 12 seconds into the video and the last at 18 seconds . and you did hear the character say AND THAT WAS WITHOUT REALLY AIMING ? .
it is truly laughable how people like you attack a movie never intended to be taken as 100% factual NOR EVER CLAIMED by stone to be 100% factual .its hilarious . tell me have you ever critiqued movies like parkland ? deadly deception , oswald and ruby etc etc ? , oh wait THEY SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR DONT THEY ? .so why would you check them for accuracy .
"Oswald was a Marine, had practiced extensively with his rifle "
WAS being the operative word . he ceased being a marine in 1959 and jfk was killed in 1963 . between that time there is ZERO proof that oswald did ANY practice what so ever .
"there are videos all over UA-cam that show people bettering by a good margin the claimed pace of Oswald’s three shots"
ive asked you about this elsewhere . tell me did these guys shoot at stationary targets or moving targets ? . i know cbs used stationary targets , the fbi agents running tests for the commission used stationary targets .if a moving target , moving left to right and at an incline was not used any test is moot . did they have to kneel on a hard plywood floor ? . did they have two pipes in the way ? . did they have a large tree obstructing their view ? .ive seen several youtube videos and they did none of the above .
Soo... it's pretty comical that in 1988's Bull Durham, Costner states that he believed "Lee Harvey acted ALONE"
Yet, three years later ...
here he is fighting ...with every fiber of his being... to DISPROVE that theory! And he COMPLETELY pulls it off!!!
Makes me smile/laugh EVERY time!
I love how they’re such pros they even know what kind of trees are in the crime scene and when they shed their leaves.
They just Googled it.^^
u know this is a movie, right? and they are actors who are reciting words written in a script? u know that, right?
@@dubiousdistinction6500 is there a Special Jag off School that people like you graduate from ? I see this exact same comment in almost EVERY U tube video about a Movie .. A person comes on to mention something Specific they observed and Enjoyed about the Movie, and you jump in with your Amazing Line " you know its just a Movie, right ? " ... whatever Demographic you belong to , you really are special .. Do us a Favor and just STFU next time you get the Urge to use that line .
Best scene
i was seated in the cinema, to the back and to the left.
Why ?
1:44 I think someone in post during editing did not feel to comfortable or wanted Jim to be heard pulling the trigger on that random female driver. Cause that rifle looks to me to jerk like it was dry fired and took out the sound.
I think this scene is compelling to those who arnt familiar with shooting. At that range it would be a pretty easy shot with that setup. Being a bolt action it would take a lot of practice to get rounds off that quickly with accuracy but that is exactly what Marines were trained to do back in the day. Dont beleive me: take a shooting lesson, go buy a bolt action rifle, go to a range, and practice.
Regardless, they made the ballistics up
Oswald was discharged in 1959, and his MOS wasn't rifleman. That would put him in basic around 1957. How much range time did he have after basic? Plus, in the Corps, he was probably shooting at least a semi-automatic M-14, not a bolt action piece of Italian junk.
There is no such thing as an “easy shot” with a rifle that is TS zeroed. You clearly don’t know what knowledge of exterior ballistics this shot required. And Oswald was never taught any of it.
I recently read Gary Oldman said it's impossible when he was up there
Incredible editing job.