I've been a car enthusiast since the 1980s and this is the one development that has made me fall out of love with cars. In addition to being a car nut, I'm also a staunch privacy advocate and it makes my blood boil that our gov't ALWAYS allows corporations to do whatever they want to us consumers. We have NO power to protect ourselves in an environment where corporations reign supreme, even over gov't legislators and regulators.
That is why I drive an 80s tech carburetor car. Only electronics is the ignition system and the sound system I installed. Who says that the likes of GM and especially Chinese cars are not being used by control freeks in government to even listen in to our conversations. They can get lost..
@@patrickcannell2258 I am 64, and a lifelong car enthusiast. But I am a vintage car enthusiast. I currently own two 1960s cars and an early 1970s truck. I also use a 2006 Mercury Grand Marquis for transportation, but it does not have any of this kind of trash technology. I don't like the fact that the engine and transmission are controlled by computers, that makes it a lot harder to work on. I am a carburetor guy through and through. The Mercury is not an enthusiast or hobby car, it's just transportation. But even if you drive older cars, there is something else that is just as bad, if not worse than new cars as far as spying on you, and that is "smart phones" If you use one of those, you probably don't need to worry about driving a car that is spying on you. I use an old school 1990s style flip phone. It is NOT connected to the internet.
I'll wager that you simultaneously don't like Big Gummint. Even if Congress was so inclined to limit this data collection, they are technologically illiterate. AND, tech changes so fast they could never stay up to date.
2 weeks ago I got a message on my dash explaining that my tpms sensor was malfunctioning and I should go to the dealer. About 3 mins after the message I received a call from a Honda dealer asking if I wanted to schedule service, if my was running fine. This wasn't even the dealer I bought my car from. I asked the woman on the phone if she called me because she received a message message from my car, and she denied it. Whatever you say... I had a feeling they've been watching us for years now.
Ever since Onstar was implemented in our vehicles, they have had control of those vehicles. Examples, Onstar can remote start your car, unlock your car, they even know the moment you're in an accident and will call emergency services for you anywhere you are.
That’s ok. Whoever is stuck watching me is definitely paying a therapist to heal from what they are forced to witness. Be careful who you watch. Sometimes you might just spot a devil.
The internet of everything your refrigerator, washer, tv, home and car makes everything easy and convenient. You don’t have to worry or think about anything just pay your subscription fees and life is good. No thank you I have made it this far I don’t need to go deeper into the matrix.
In europe for example our ford focuses have modems and threw ford pass you select the dealer, once you get a code the dealer will call you and ask you if you want to schedule a service. Just find the telemetrics fuse unplug it or dont select a favorite dealer
I didn’t realize I had a car company looking over my shoulder. I bought the new car thinking it was mine entirely but I really am sharing it with a bunch of tech an marketing geeks.
There should be a law passed that states that not only do we own the vehicles we buy but we also own the data the vehicles collect and control who has access to it.
"should be" yes, don't hold your breath for the day though. instead, learn to understand your car and other gadgets (phones) to snip them somewhere so they don't snitch. "snitches get stitches" has never been more apt.
Should we push the issue for owning the automobiles we purchase, a current impending blatant mockery of freedom. Or, should we push against the lose of entitlement of all these expensive mobile devices that are purchased by everyone yet already owned by no one. googgle owns every single android device ever made. Even from the power being off on our phones, they can still collect data. The core of the android OS incorporates googgle into the programming so that it is impossible to have one without the other. Android does not allow you to remove the theiving manipulative propaganda pushing google from the device and requires google's permission to do anything to their piece of tech that we pay for. This has been a long standing conflict
@@aaronh1372 truth be told, i see a future where it won't make sense even owning a vehicle, but it makes no sense pushing for it noe 35 years too early, AI needs advancing, the infrastrucure isn't there, we need to remove every vehicle that's not self driving capable off the street
I am a mechanic and this is one of the several reasons I chose to drive older cars (2006 and older) over newer vehicles. Not only are they cheaper and easier to fix, but I am not being spied on when I drive. I encourage others to do so as well.
I am looking at getting a vehicle and want to get the "newest" not-spying year. I think anything that connects to a phone via an aux cable and not a system. I think that's about 2008 or 09. Any thoughts?
I don't drive late model cars for several reasons. This is one of them. I drove a 2006 Mercury Grand Marquis for 11 years, and put 381,000 miles on it (I bought it with 97,000 miles) It does not have an infotainment center, anything like On Star, and no internet connection whatsoever. It still has its original oem cassette player. I recently bought a like new one owner 2007 Mercury Grand Marquis to eventually replace the 2006 with. It only has 36,000 miles. But they are identical cars. None of that trash technology. And I use a 1990s style flip phone. I have never used a "smart phone" and never will.
That doesn't make any difference,,,your TV does the exact same spying,,,As does new fridges ,,new cookers,,,and even washing machines and toasters,,,They all spy on you ,,They all have internet connectivity ,,,Someone driving by your home can hack your toaster and download files on to it store them there for as long as they want,,,They can even tell a second party where the house is and from any country in the world they can recall them files from your toaster,,,,,If you think I'm kidding about this ,,I'm not,,,look it up yourself,,,
@@spazzman90 My cell phone is an old school flip phone with NO internet connection, and has a removeable battery. My TV is from 1997. It has a built in VCR. I only use it to watch stuff recorded on VHS tape. New cars do a lot more than collect data. They have a camera and microphone in the dash that watches and listens to everything you do or say, and sends it over the internet to who knows who. They also apply the brakes and turn the steering wheel by themselves.
M Yare not a bad idea and i bet Sanders would facilitsome way for us to be able to make profits off our own data instead of some random tech company in china
2024, not only have they not stopped, they are selling the data to third party data brokers. Now there is a class action lawsuit against GM and other car companies.
@@habbadabbado5765 And even worse, those little gizmos can trash the electronics in the auto. "For those of you who want the bottom line DLC Dongles are particularly troublesome and can cause diagnostic failures and drivability problems.” Both insurers and other third parties have marketed such devices to customers in recent years. A 2015 Kia technical service bulletin mentions multiple companies with OBD-II dongles by name, but Kia confirmed it was using them illustratively. It referenced them simply to help shops visualize what third-party DLC dongles look like rather than pointing to specific brands that caused problems." "Kia warned shops of issues related to items plugged into the CAN network in a September 2015 bulletin shared by NASTF: On some vehicles, customers or dealers may choose to install non-Kia aftermarket accessories which, under certain circumstances, may cause improper operation or even damage to components. When diagnosing improper and unusual operation or CAN codes, especially in ABS/ESC, TPMS, NAV head units, ECM, TCM, HVAC, BSD and other systems on the CAN bus, technicians should inspect under the dash, and in engine compartment areas, for any aftermarket equipment that may have been added to the vehicle. Where wires have been spliced, identify the circuit and system before making recommendations for replacement of components/parts and, temporarily, disconnect the accessory from the vehicle’s electrical system to test and verify it is not the root cause. If confirmed, advise owner of the incompatibility and recommend removal of the aftermarket equipment. Removal costs are considered the responsibility of the owner and should be communicated to the customer BEFORE attempting any repairs. If equipment was dealer installed, the selling dealer may be held accountable for the cost of repairs and any associated warranty claims may be subject to chargeback. The OEM also warned in a July 2015 bulletin that the existence of such a device could produce customer-facing messages. When addressing customer concerns regarding a “Vehicle Diagnostics Failed” message displayed on the head unit screen (A), check for the presence of an external device (B) plugged into the vehicle’s DLC port. If an external device is present, remove the external device from the port to prevent it from interrupting the UVO eServices vehicle diagnostics. After removing the external device, cycle the ignition multiple times, if needed, and run the vehicle diagnostics again. Seyfer said once such an OBD-II plugin is removed, the CAN will return to normal operations. “There’s a lot of reasons why we have issues with these,” he said." And that is just one auto company.
My car informed the manufacturer that I was ignoring the first service timeline (about 9 days overdue). The manufacturer sent me an E-mail saying the warranty would become void if I did not rectify the situation immediately. As I'd already booked it in for the following week I had to drop the car off and have the dealer "register it on the system"...... We are sleep walking into a personal data Armageddon
I just did this on my new (to me) 2018 Volt LT. It's easy to reach the antenna connectors, as the OnStar module is under the dash to the left of the steering wheel. However, a radio transmitting without an antenna may sustain damage. Instead, I popped out the entire Onstar box, opened it by removing the four T10 torx screws and lifted off the case lid. You can lift out the main board and you'll see the radio board beneath it. Remove the three T10 torx and you can take out the radio daughter card. Put the mainboard back in the case and put it back together. Reinstall in the car and plug in the two white power connectors. The bluetooth and Sirius XM work fine. OnStar can't be reached. Problem solved. Problem staying solved.
@@SP-cm8lg I don't, but it's easy to do. The Onstar module is in a black box held in by clips in the driver's kick panel on the left side, just behind the fusebox.
They can even control your electric steering, gas pedal, & breaks causing a collision and wiping out all traces of that happening in other words they can take total control of your car!!!
I just drove a Volkswagen Taos with adaptive CC for the first time last week. Occasionally, as I began turning (eg off the freeway onto an exit), the car would resist my steering and try to go straight. Thankfully I could keep at it until it gave up. But so dangerous!! There’s no way these auto drive systems are ready for the road. I don’t understand how the authorities gave manufacturers the go-ahead.
As the owner of Two Gen II Chevy Volts, and being a fairly knowledgeable car person, I noticed that the Red Volt he took out if the garage and the Red Volt that they hacked into were two different cars. Not sure why🤔. Also, you can just pull the On Star fuse if you don't want GM tracking you.
@colin-nekritz Well, if I pull my OnStar fuse, (like I said above) his Volt won't be able to transmit any data. I guess my takeaway is he knows very little about his Volt.
@@byrnc927there is more than just the OnStar connection. Good luck figuring out how to fully disconnect it from sending data back. They don’t make it easy.
When you sell your PC you're supposed to format the drive with 1's and 0's at least 7 times for DOD grade deletion. When you sell your car you hand the next guy all your data.
@@spazzman90 They are. Buyer will know your routines and driving habits. Home and work locations. Frequent stops. All the calls you make and to whom. And what can you do with that data i'll leave to your imagination. Sounds like you would not mind handing off all that information. To be sold online to spam callers/advertisers who now know what to target you with. Call your doctor? Health items. Call your wife? Flowers stop by a brothel? Blackmail or sell magazine subscriptions. That's the "good side." Bad side is everyone you ever called gets the same treatment. Maybe you work at a sensitive location. They now know your work and have you as a way in. This espionage. Any info is power.
Friend of mine bought a used Mercedes. Previous owner was a salesman (don't know what field or industry) and the car had dozens of phone numbers stored in memory. We decided the guy must have had a pretty good expense account allowance. Lots of numbers of hi-end restaurants stored in call history.
I drive exclusively pre-2010 cars (No GMs after 1990) and never a car with factory bluetooth, navigation or cameras. I repair my own cars and it’s cheaper for me to keep an old car going than to suffer declining values, failed plastic engine parts, broken computers and bus problems.
And when you sell or get in a total loss vehicle accident, these go to an auto scrap yard! Where the computers can be sold to unscrupulous companies or people! Your data has value!
When I bought my last used car, it still had the prior owner's home address programmed into it along with other contacts. Always, always, do a factory reset on the infotainment system when you sell a car. No, it probably doesn't remove all your data, but the next owner won't be able to access it easily.
What a sad world we live in. This segment solidifies what I have been saying for quite sometime. Cars are IoT devices. Also people willingly subscribe (paying) to have their data mined. The others like myself agree to the T&C in order to have convenience over privacy. In my car I removed Alexa and did not enable the cellular connection. Digging through some menus I did obtain the IPV6 address and MAC address.
Well, if it's connected to the internet, shouldn't there be a SIM somewhere, or some similar module? I would say destroying or removing that module should resolve it.
When you connect your phone over Bluetooth to hear music or take/make calls - that will provide the necessary internet connection to the onboard computer. In the time you finish one song or one call the OBC has transmitted and updated all data in the background. A seperate SIM is not needed.
@@SubramaniamLakshminarayananThat's incorrect. It's *possible* to share an internet connection over Bluetooth but that feature has to be enabled, if available at all on both connected devices. Same way one can connect a phone for in-car calls without granting access to contacts and messages. If a phone shares Internet by default, better get rid of it. Cars might not even be able to use your phone's connection via Bluetooth. No need for that when it has an embedded modem which can run 24/7.
Cellphone does not need to contain personal data (though I agree that most people do enable them to) and they can be turned off at any time. I do not believe that you can prevent a car from collecting and reporting your personal data when you use it. This really is a unique invasion of privacy. It is bad.
Yep. This is all in the terms and conditions that we must accept. The solution is to locate the transmitter and disable it. If that’s too much for you, simply stop plugging it in and then using it. Anyone ever notice when you plug it in while it’s locked, it will not play music or anything until after you unlock it? You give them permission and access by unlocking it while it’s plugged in. Leave it locked while charging. Unplug it to use it, and use bluetooth to play music. Use an independent hands free earpiece vs using the car for calls. Make it as difficult as possible for them to steal your personal and private data.
I drive a 1983 Mercedes 300SD. The height of Cold War era cars, EMP secure that is also easy to work on and can drive on bio fuel almost net zero carbon footprint. My smartphone stays home on the charger too! ;)
@@AzimuthAviation I see. You live a dull life... watching Washington Post conspiracy videos and imposing your political views on the rest of the world.
Возможно, не так уж и скучно. Когда ты женился в 85-м, я был военным парнем C^3I. Я наслаждался дружбой с теми, кто бежал из Советского Союза. Сейчас мы живем с C4I. Вы не думали о вступлении в Ассоциацию Старых Ворон? Будь здоров, друг...
Thats why I dont have a smart phone , just a tablet which stays at home and no social media sites , just utube and rumble to watch videos then I shut it off by pressing volume down and power button at the same time . A 2004 vehicle
This is just outright plain criminal ! you are not really given a choice much less made aware of all this. Glad I have an old car ! but who knows what my phone is collecting and doing.
Interestingly, it is nice to see your attempt to turn the car into a Faraday Cage. However, plugging in your phone in your car wrecks that option. My newest car is 11 years old, and I would like to know what is recorded on its black box. I know the box exists. I just don't know where it is, and I have a rough guess as to what is recorded. I know you can utilize its info to prove your actual speed if charged with speeding. Beyond that is questionable.
@@pre1980cars Cars from 1998 had this feature with OBD2 freeze frame in an accident anything that causes the check engine light to come on a person investigation is able to determine the speed.
It's simple. Drive an older car and take care of it. Repair it when necessary. Also get rid of the smartphone. Get a flip phone. Take that Alexa device that you have, and put it on the railroad tracks. That's if it really bothers you. We got along just fine for many many years without all of these digital nightmares,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
ONSTAR shares data with Lexis Nexis for sure. Insurance rates go up because of an "updated insurance" score that they provide to the insurance companies.
I've been a car nut since the 70s I saw this coming a long time ago! I am fighting buying a newer vehicle as long as possible. I understand how this data is being used and how it could be used, one of My sisters doesn't understand technology I tried to tell her what to watch out for , she just sold the family ranch and purchased a New 2024 Mercedes AMG C43 because she likes it and someone she knows has one 😢😮 I think she was upset when I said I didn't like the car 😮 I'm driving a 2001 GMC Yukon thats like new rides like a Cadillac compared to her car, it's no longer connected because the OnStar in it was Analog and decommissioned years ago (it can't function no analog cell towers left in the USA) I have a 12 RAM 2500 that's a little more connected (not really just bluetooth) but it's only use is to tow a camper if I sell the camper the Truck gets sold also. But it's a Truck they are always last to get the technology cars have sometimes decades behind.
STOP TRYING TO FIND OUT EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYONE, and by the way i will unhook all data and g.p.s. from all of my cars, what I do and where i go is NO ONES BUSINESS SO BUTT OUT!!!
Guess what? People just can't get enough of computer crap in their cars. Pay more up front for the privilege of being tracked. Pay more for maintenance for the privilege of being surveilled. Pay more for an ever-shrinking sphere of privacy. Car buyers are just nuts.
Everybody are complaining about cars but all the "smart" devices, all the "free" websites and apps are storing personal data, that's why they are free or cheaper. I'm not saying that is ok, but you should complain about everything, UA-cam, Facebook, Whatsapp, Microsoft, cellphones, TV's, notebooks and even some refrigerators among other appliances are doing this.
Would be very interesting to see an update 4 years later, and do a much more in depth investigation, that would cover at least a few major brands and not only head units.
to make my car run and drive i need: 12 volts to the coil, 12 volts to the starter, and a ground to the distributer points. points ignition and a carburetor will suffice
My phone might share much of that data, but my car is 100% analogue. Right down to the speedometer, cable driven. The AM radio is a bit of a worry though, that connects with the outside world 😆
When I purchased my used car a few years ago I was disappointed that I couldn’t connect my phone to the radio system due to it needing to be fixed. Now, I thank The Lord that it was malfunctioning & that I never took the time & money to get it fixed. Glory Hallelu😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
yeah, my car says in front of owner's manual they collect date where did i give them permission to take my data when i bought the car there was no disclosure saying we will take any data we want, and you cannot opt out of it.
This is even worse with electric cars. More computing power and you also need the car connected in order to calculate the range and find chargers. Meanwhile the car has cameras inside and outside and just imagine what they can store, mine, sell and profile.
Does anyone know if your OnStar subscription has expired will your vehicle still transmit data about YOU? I haven't had OnStar working in my 2012 GMC for many years. I just realized this is an old video.
As a factory trained Red Seal Technician with SET(Specialized Electrical Training), I'm extremely well trained and dangerously knowledgeable about modern vehicles communications with the "mother ship" and what data and driving habits/events are stored in unsuspecting modules. Rest assured, as far as outside communication of data is concerned you most definitely can stop it, but it takes me quite a while to defeat those systems but it can be done. As far as stored data in modules is concerned, you have to rewrite all the code for every module and while yes it's possible, it isn't financially practical.
Additionally, I know of vehicles where EVERY module was fried in a successful effort to eradicate all event/crash data before a warrant was issued to extract said data and everything ended right there. Not so much as the VIN could be ready from so much as the power windows switch nor could you communicate with a TPMS sensor
“I contacted the manufacturer and they wouldn’t tell me what data they’re collecting or for what reasons” Yep. They don’t want you to know. If they admitted to collecting personal data on their buyers, they’d likely loose a ton of buyers and they know it.
I rent when I need to use a vehicle and one thing I noticed yesterday while driving a Mazda3 was that twice during the drive, the vehicle displayed a speed limit[next to the speedometer] different from the one posted on the street. Once higher, 45 in a 35mph area, and again 25mph in a 35mph zone. Not sure where it pulls it's data from but it seems like a discrepancy that could possibly be used against you in issuing traffic citations.
It’s Oct. 2024 now and people are slowly becoming more aware of this…This video was considerably “before it’s time”. Normally the Washington Post is a rag, but this reporter does it right. Kudos where it’s due. This is still a relevant video that we can share to wake people up about a vehicle from 2017!
I guess I’ll be driving my unconnected 2013 Santa Fe till it finally quits working. I take my personal privacy very seriously, probably because I’m 60 and have witnessed the corporate takeover of data firsthand. Great vehicle by the way. 180 000 km and zero problems. 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
So being poor has finally paid off.
No tracking a rust bucket
Or a flip phone
For now, until the said rust bucket is one that collects the data. 😉
Keep your shotgun for others will be want to take your rust bucket
Your smartphone takes care of that. 😁 or your partners, or kids or whoever.
@@LM01234 flip phones track you too and other people's phones track your flip phone via bluetooth, contact tracing, IMEI number etc.
I've been a car enthusiast since the 1980s and this is the one development that has made me fall out of love with cars. In addition to being a car nut, I'm also a staunch privacy advocate and it makes my blood boil that our gov't ALWAYS allows corporations to do whatever they want to us consumers. We have NO power to protect ourselves in an environment where corporations reign supreme, even over gov't legislators and regulators.
That is why I drive an 80s tech carburetor car. Only electronics is the ignition system and the sound system I installed. Who says that the likes of GM and especially Chinese cars are not being used by control freeks in government to even listen in to our conversations. They can get lost..
@@patrickcannell2258 I am 64, and a lifelong car enthusiast. But I am a vintage car enthusiast. I currently own two 1960s cars and an early 1970s truck. I also use a 2006 Mercury Grand Marquis for transportation, but it does not have any of this kind of trash technology. I don't like the fact that the engine and transmission are controlled by computers, that makes it a lot harder to work on. I am a carburetor guy through and through. The Mercury is not an enthusiast or hobby car, it's just transportation.
But even if you drive older cars, there is something else that is just as bad, if not worse than new cars as far as spying on you, and that is "smart phones" If you use one of those, you probably don't need to worry about driving a car that is spying on you. I use an old school 1990s style flip phone. It is NOT connected to the internet.
The government is backing them!
I'll wager that you simultaneously don't like Big Gummint. Even if Congress was so inclined to limit this data collection, they are technologically illiterate. AND, tech changes so fast they could never stay up to date.
Also throw your cell phone away, live away from technology to have a peaceful life
2 weeks ago I got a message on my dash explaining that my tpms sensor was malfunctioning and I should go to the dealer. About 3 mins after the message I received a call from a Honda dealer asking if I wanted to schedule service, if my was running fine. This wasn't even the dealer I bought my car from. I asked the woman on the phone if she called me because she received a message message from my car, and she denied it. Whatever you say... I had a feeling they've been watching us for years now.
Ever since Onstar was implemented in our vehicles, they have had control of those vehicles. Examples, Onstar can remote start your car, unlock your car, they even know the moment you're in an accident and will call emergency services for you anywhere you are.
Complete invasion of privacy. Auto makers have crossed that line.
That’s ok. Whoever is stuck watching me is definitely paying a therapist to heal from what they are forced to witness. Be careful who you watch. Sometimes you might just spot a devil.
The internet of everything your refrigerator, washer, tv, home and car makes everything easy and convenient. You don’t have to worry or think about anything just pay your subscription fees and life is good. No thank you I have made it this far I don’t need to go deeper into the matrix.
In europe for example our ford focuses have modems and threw ford pass you select the dealer, once you get a code the dealer will call you and ask you if you want to schedule a service. Just find the telemetrics fuse unplug it or dont select a favorite dealer
I didn’t realize I had a car company looking over my shoulder. I bought the new car thinking it was mine entirely but I really am sharing it with a bunch of tech an marketing geeks.
make sure that you understand that you didn't "share" your data. it was stolen from you by the very company you are a customer of.
In the UK. The. LogBook that come with a new car refers to the person woh payed money for the car is referred to as the. Keeper not the owner.😮
It's not the tech and marketing geeks you should worry about. It's the police, FBI, NSA, et al.
Me with a 90’s car: 🗿
Don't forget the CIA !
There should be a law passed that states that not only do we own the vehicles we buy but we also own the data the vehicles collect and control who has access to it.
The politicians are bought and paid for. This will not happen.
a data protection act
"should be" yes, don't hold your breath for the day though. instead, learn to understand your car and other gadgets (phones) to snip them somewhere so they don't snitch. "snitches get stitches" has never been more apt.
Should we push the issue for owning the automobiles we purchase, a current impending blatant mockery of freedom. Or, should we push against the lose of entitlement of all these expensive mobile devices that are purchased by everyone yet already owned by no one. googgle owns every single android device ever made. Even from the power being off on our phones, they can still collect data. The core of the android OS incorporates googgle into the programming so that it is impossible to have one without the other. Android does not allow you to remove the theiving manipulative propaganda pushing google from the device and requires google's permission to do anything to their piece of tech that we pay for. This has been a long standing conflict
@@aaronh1372 truth be told, i see a future where it won't make sense even owning a vehicle, but it makes no sense pushing for it noe 35 years too early, AI needs advancing, the infrastrucure isn't there, we need to remove every vehicle that's not self driving capable off the street
Everytime you find one way they're spying on you, they come up with 10 more ways they can.
For sure my '04 Silverado doesn't spy on me since it doesn't have an internet connection and I pulled the Onstar fuse years ago.
We better sued or be screwed 😂
I am a mechanic and this is one of the several reasons I chose to drive older cars (2006 and older) over newer vehicles. Not only are they cheaper and easier to fix, but I am not being spied on when I drive. I encourage others to do so as well.
I am looking at getting a vehicle and want to get the "newest" not-spying year. I think anything that connects to a phone via an aux cable and not a system. I think that's about 2008 or 09. Any thoughts?
By properly maintaining and keeping them rolling you're also saving them for future generations. Everyone should own a couple old vehicles.
hope you don't own a smartphone
I don't drive late model cars for several reasons. This is one of them. I drove a 2006 Mercury Grand Marquis for 11 years, and put 381,000 miles on it (I bought it with 97,000 miles) It does not have an infotainment center, anything like On Star, and no internet connection whatsoever. It still has its original oem cassette player. I recently bought a like new one owner 2007 Mercury Grand Marquis to eventually replace the 2006 with. It only has 36,000 miles. But they are identical cars. None of that trash technology. And I use a 1990s style flip phone. I have never used a "smart phone" and never will.
That doesn't make any difference,,,your TV does the exact same spying,,,As does new fridges ,,new cookers,,,and even washing machines and toasters,,,They all spy on you ,,They all have internet connectivity ,,,Someone driving by your home can hack your toaster and download files on to it store them there for as long as they want,,,They can even tell a second party where the house is and from any country in the world they can recall them files from your toaster,,,,,If you think I'm kidding about this ,,I'm not,,,look it up yourself,,,
My cars are 1994,2007 and 2012 is a camaro, but onstar doesn't work in nz anyway
If you use GSM phone it spying on you anyway 🤣
Don't be a dolt. Your cell phone is way ahead of your car in data mining. Chances are your tvs at home help out too....
@@spazzman90 My cell phone is an old school flip phone with NO internet connection, and has a removeable battery. My TV is from 1997. It has a built in VCR. I only use it to watch stuff recorded on VHS tape. New cars do a lot more than collect data. They have a camera and microphone in the dash that watches and listens to everything you do or say, and sends it over the internet to who knows who. They also apply the brakes and turn the steering wheel by themselves.
I wanna sell my data. And get that money. It's my data.
M Yare not a bad idea and i bet Sanders would facilitsome way for us to be able to make profits off our own data instead of some random tech company in china
@@barberwinning Bernie doesn't care about you. He cares about socialism.
But your data is already pirated xD
@@barberwinning yea then he'll tax the money you get at 90% and get himself a fourth house. Wake up you dummy.
Intellectual property
Everyday, I see that pathway to HELL get wider & wider
With out the good intentions. And yes as I typed this, I see the 3 years old note....that's not great.
And now we are being tracked that we watched this video. :)
We sure are! I didn't watch it, though. I'm just reading the comments - but I'm sure I was tracked to this page.
yep
Why would they want to track you?
@@larryjolicoeur7169 I think it's usually so they can try to get you to buy things based on your browsing history.
I rather drive my 1950s vehicle instead a car today with a computer
Why? You have a cellphone 😂
@eloso080 Yes, i have a cell, and it can shut down, but the car won't
Your phone is never 100% off it’s always listening to you!!
@@Zach-sg5uu You don't have to take a phone everywhere you go. Leaving the phone at home eliminates the tracking.
@@donames6941 you're being tracked by that too. Even if you turn your phone off, it still maintains a connection.
George Orwell is spinning in his grave -
"I tried to warn you, dummies" George Orwell
he is screaming, "I told you so!"
The Beast System read Revelations in the Bible.
He's spinning on 5g waves, lol
My car is turning 17. Time to give her some tlc so she keeps on keeping on.
My '66' Ford is now 53 and opened its own retirement account when it was just 22.
Yes, it will be living better than me. :-0)
Mine is 27yrs old and running fine!! Myota
Yeh..just don't crash it and have the engine in your lap. LOL.
25 year old truck here. Engine will need rebuilding soon.
Last of the Swedish Volvo Volvos.
2024, not only have they not stopped, they are selling the data to third party data brokers. Now there is a class action lawsuit against GM and other car companies.
No Internet in your car. Get an older car that you can fix yourself and keep it 😂
Insurance companies would love to have this data & car makers would sell it to them if they could.
They already do...
INSURANCE COMPANIES HAVE THIS INFORMATION AND MORE
Don’t think they don’t. The little gizmos they give you to plug into the obd2 is simply more privacy breached.
@@habbadabbado5765 And even worse, those little gizmos can trash the electronics in the auto.
"For those of you who want the bottom line DLC Dongles are particularly troublesome and can cause diagnostic failures and drivability problems.”
Both insurers and other third parties have marketed such devices to customers in recent years. A 2015 Kia technical service bulletin mentions multiple companies with OBD-II dongles by name, but Kia confirmed it was using them illustratively. It referenced them simply to help shops visualize what third-party DLC dongles look like rather than pointing to specific brands that caused problems."
"Kia warned shops of issues related to items plugged into the CAN network in a September 2015 bulletin shared by NASTF:
On some vehicles, customers or dealers may choose to install non-Kia aftermarket accessories which, under certain circumstances, may cause improper operation or even damage to components. When diagnosing improper and unusual operation or CAN codes, especially in ABS/ESC, TPMS, NAV head units, ECM, TCM, HVAC, BSD and other systems on the CAN bus, technicians should inspect under the dash, and in engine compartment areas, for any aftermarket equipment that may have been added to the vehicle. Where wires have been spliced, identify the circuit and system before making recommendations for replacement of components/parts and, temporarily, disconnect the accessory from the vehicle’s electrical system to test and verify it is not the root cause. If confirmed, advise owner of the incompatibility and recommend removal of the aftermarket equipment. Removal costs are considered the responsibility of the owner and should be communicated to the customer BEFORE attempting any repairs. If equipment was dealer installed, the selling dealer may be held accountable for the cost of repairs and any associated warranty claims may be subject to chargeback.
The OEM also warned in a July 2015 bulletin that the existence of such a device could produce customer-facing messages.
When addressing customer concerns regarding a “Vehicle Diagnostics Failed” message displayed on the head unit screen (A), check for the presence of an external device (B) plugged into the vehicle’s DLC port. If an external device is present, remove the external device from the port to prevent it from interrupting the UVO eServices vehicle diagnostics. After removing the external device, cycle the ignition multiple times, if needed, and run the vehicle diagnostics again.
Seyfer said once such an OBD-II plugin is removed, the CAN will return to normal operations.
“There’s a lot of reasons why we have issues with these,” he said."
And that is just one auto company.
who you think they're selling it to?
Cars should be simple. I’ll never give up my 2004
My car informed the manufacturer that I was ignoring the first service timeline (about 9 days overdue).
The manufacturer sent me an E-mail saying the warranty would become void if I did not rectify the situation immediately.
As I'd already booked it in for the following week I had to drop the car off and have the dealer "register it on the system"......
We are sleep walking into a personal data Armageddon
My 05 Pickup does not collect data, doesnt even have a CD player or keyless entry. Just the way I like it, basic, reliable, and you cant hack it.
Amen!!
Does it have an ECU or fuel injection?
Or a fuse box?
@@brokenking5044 Fuel injection is more reliable than carburetors.
And then there are people who put Amazon echo inside their home… unbelievably stupid.
Yup, beyond stupid.
yep
disconnect the antenna for the onstar box or remove the box entirely
Just buy a points and plugs older car, problem solved.
I just did this on my new (to me) 2018 Volt LT. It's easy to reach the antenna connectors, as the OnStar module is under the dash to the left of the steering wheel. However, a radio transmitting without an antenna may sustain damage.
Instead, I popped out the entire Onstar box, opened it by removing the four T10 torx screws and lifted off the case lid. You can lift out the main board and you'll see the radio board beneath it. Remove the three T10 torx and you can take out the radio daughter card. Put the mainboard back in the case and put it back together. Reinstall in the car and plug in the two white power connectors.
The bluetooth and Sirius XM work fine. OnStar can't be reached. Problem solved. Problem staying solved.
@@sartorius73 thank you for this do you have a video on the process.
@@SP-cm8lg I don't, but it's easy to do. The Onstar module is in a black box held in by clips in the driver's kick panel on the left side, just behind the fusebox.
@@sartorius73 any issues like engine light, or something not working.
They can even control your electric steering, gas pedal, & breaks causing a collision and wiping out all traces of that happening in other words they can take total control of your car!!!
Only if your car has Adaptive Cruise control. But no company would ever even dare risk that. I drive a 2018 Chevy volt premier. Great car
I just drove a Volkswagen Taos with adaptive CC for the first time last week. Occasionally, as I began turning (eg off the freeway onto an exit), the car would resist my steering and try to go straight. Thankfully I could keep at it until it gave up. But so dangerous!! There’s no way these auto drive systems are ready for the road. I don’t understand how the authorities gave manufacturers the go-ahead.
That's why all my cars are dumb cars but thanks for confirming what I believed was inside the infotainment system
I am hoping my 2007 made in Japan Honda is OK. She is still running great and never gives me any sass.
As the owner of Two Gen II Chevy Volts, and being a fairly knowledgeable car person, I noticed that the Red Volt he took out if the garage and the Red Volt that they hacked into were two different cars. Not sure why🤔.
Also, you can just pull the On Star fuse if you don't want GM tracking you.
That was your takeaway? That there was two different cars, NOT the whole problematic bit of your cars spying on you? SMDH
@colin-nekritz
Well, if I pull my OnStar fuse, (like I said above) his Volt won't be able to transmit any data.
I guess my takeaway is he knows very little about his Volt.
I have a white Gen II Volt. I love it.
@@byrnc927there is more than just the OnStar connection. Good luck figuring out how to fully disconnect it from sending data back. They don’t make it easy.
Well he wouldn't want to hack into and possibly break his car. (I would tho, and then but a 1990 Corolla)
buy*
I will keep my mid 2000’s vehicles until the day I die, thank you.
When you sell your PC you're supposed to format the drive with 1's and 0's at least 7 times for DOD grade deletion. When you sell your car you hand the next guy all your data.
Some way points? Some contact info? Such top level secrets!
@@spazzman90 They are. Buyer will know your routines and driving habits. Home and work locations. Frequent stops. All the calls you make and to whom. And what can you do with that data i'll leave to your imagination. Sounds like you would not mind handing off all that information. To be sold online to spam callers/advertisers who now know what to target you with. Call your doctor? Health items. Call your wife? Flowers stop by a brothel? Blackmail or sell magazine subscriptions. That's the "good side." Bad side is everyone you ever called gets the same treatment. Maybe you work at a sensitive location. They now know your work and have you as a way in. This espionage. Any info is power.
@@SteelWolf13 Saving this
Smash and replace with blank, then reload OS. "It's the only way to be sure"... 😂
Friend of mine bought a used Mercedes. Previous owner was a salesman (don't know what field or industry) and the car had dozens of phone numbers stored in memory.
We decided the guy must have had a pretty good expense account allowance. Lots of numbers of hi-end restaurants stored in call history.
Around 2018 is when uplinking car data started. For as long as possible I will keep a car earlier than that to stop them stealing my life.
Mine is a 2016 and it hasdall of this already.
@@ramonasp4989 Bummer. I know data storage in the on board computer has been there since the 90's and dealerships could down load.
Feel free to get a newer car. If you care about privacy, feel free to replace your dash spier with a custom Android you can actually control.
Wife's Nissan Leaf first gen already makes you agree to T&C on the navi screen and tells you it's sending data to Nissan overseas (Australia) 😮
I drive exclusively pre-2010 cars (No GMs after 1990) and never a car with factory bluetooth, navigation or cameras. I repair my own cars and it’s cheaper for me to keep an old car going than to suffer declining values, failed plastic engine parts, broken computers and bus problems.
"And this is a two year old car."
And this is a 4 year old video. Imagine their efficiency at collecting data now.
And when you sell or get in a total loss vehicle accident, these go to an auto scrap yard! Where the computers can be sold to unscrupulous companies or people! Your data has value!
When I bought my last used car, it still had the prior owner's home address programmed into it along with other contacts. Always, always, do a factory reset on the infotainment system when you sell a car. No, it probably doesn't remove all your data, but the next owner won't be able to access it easily.
Of course hey won't tell you. That would cause a representative to be called to Congress and trigger an avalanche of civil liability claims.
Why GDPR exists in Europe. And as an owner, you need to use the rights it gives.
@@phillipbanes5484he didn't.
What a sad world we live in. This segment solidifies what I have been saying for quite sometime. Cars are IoT devices. Also people willingly subscribe (paying) to have their data mined. The others like myself agree to the T&C in order to have convenience over privacy. In my car I removed Alexa and did not enable the cellular connection. Digging through some menus I did obtain the IPV6 address and MAC address.
Welcome to the system (of technocracy by technocrats for technocrats) please enjoy your stay
Well, if it's connected to the internet, shouldn't there be a SIM somewhere, or some similar module? I would say destroying or removing that module should resolve it.
Esim is integrated
Yea, there's is definitely a wifi radio. You'd probably have to desolder it worse case scenario.
When you connect your phone over Bluetooth to hear music or take/make calls - that will provide the necessary internet connection to the onboard computer. In the time you finish one song or one call the OBC has transmitted and updated all data in the background. A seperate SIM is not needed.
@@SubramaniamLakshminarayananThat's incorrect. It's *possible* to share an internet connection over Bluetooth but that feature has to be enabled, if available at all on both connected devices.
Same way one can connect a phone for in-car calls without granting access to contacts and messages.
If a phone shares Internet by default, better get rid of it.
Cars might not even be able to use your phone's connection via Bluetooth. No need for that when it has an embedded modem which can run 24/7.
omg they are tracking my car!! … *carries cellphone everywhere with them*
Cellphone does not need to contain personal data (though I agree that most people do enable them to) and they can be turned off at any time. I do not believe that you can prevent a car from collecting and reporting your personal data when you use it. This really is a unique invasion of privacy. It is bad.
Yep. This is all in the terms and conditions that we must accept.
The solution is to locate the transmitter and disable it.
If that’s too much for you, simply stop plugging it in and then using it. Anyone ever notice when you plug it in while it’s locked, it will not play music or anything until after you unlock it? You give them permission and access by unlocking it while it’s plugged in.
Leave it locked while charging. Unplug it to use it, and use bluetooth to play music. Use an independent hands free earpiece vs using the car for calls.
Make it as difficult as possible for them to steal your personal and private data.
I do not consent to any of this.
This is too much. Thankfully my old truck can't send my data anywhere.
I drive a 1983 Mercedes 300SD. The height of Cold War era cars, EMP secure that is also easy to work on and can drive on bio fuel almost net zero carbon footprint. My smartphone stays home on the charger too! ;)
So, you draw additional attention from those who want to know more about you.
Не беспокойся, друг. Я живу скучной жизнью, просматривая видео с кошками в Интернете. Здесь нечего смотреть. Слава Украина!
@@AzimuthAviation I see. You live a dull life... watching Washington Post conspiracy videos and imposing your political views on the rest of the world.
Возможно, не так уж и скучно. Когда ты женился в 85-м, я был военным парнем C^3I. Я наслаждался дружбой с теми, кто бежал из Советского Союза. Сейчас мы живем с C4I. Вы не думали о вступлении в Ассоциацию Старых Ворон? Будь здоров, друг...
@@AzimuthAviation "When you speak, Ivan Vasilievich, one gets an impression that you are delirious."
Anything that has a touch screen is probably mining and monetising your personal data.
No Touch Screens for me. Touch Screen / Infotainment = No Sale.
Paying to fix the old cars is getting more worth it
Lol like your smartphone hasn't done ALL THIS for about 15 years.
We expect that but not the privacy of our car. They can read your texts, calls, spy on anything you do. So wrong
Not all People have mobile phones, not even dumb phones, I do not, many of my friends do not, got to 65 years old perfectly safely without one !
that's a phone, this is a speeding moving vehicle that could get hacked to crash you into a gas truck at 90mph
@@mmoarchives2542 Certain 3 letter 'angencies' have been able to do this long before mobile phones come
Thats why I dont have a smart phone , just a tablet which stays at home and no social media sites , just utube and rumble to watch videos then I shut it off by pressing volume down and power button at the same time . A 2004 vehicle
This is just outright plain criminal ! you are not really given a choice much less made aware of all this. Glad I have an old car ! but who knows what my phone is collecting and doing.
It's doing exactly the same. Where you were, who you called and even where and how much you paid and for what.
Interestingly, it is nice to see your attempt to turn the car into a Faraday Cage. However, plugging in your phone in your car wrecks that option.
My newest car is 11 years old, and I would like to know what is recorded on its black box. I know the box exists. I just don't know where it is, and I have a rough guess as to what is recorded. I know you can utilize its info to prove your actual speed if charged with speeding. Beyond that is questionable.
Look under the front seat
@@pre1980cars Cars from 1998 had this feature with OBD2 freeze frame in an accident anything that causes the check engine light to come on a person investigation is able to determine the speed.
It's simple. Drive an older car and take care of it. Repair it when necessary. Also get rid of the smartphone. Get a flip phone. Take that Alexa device that you have, and put it on the railroad tracks. That's if it really bothers you. We got along just fine for many many years without all of these digital nightmares,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
ONSTAR shares data with Lexis Nexis for sure. Insurance rates go up because of an "updated insurance" score that they provide to the insurance companies.
I've been a car nut since the 70s I saw this coming a long time ago! I am fighting buying a newer vehicle as long as possible. I understand how this data is being used and how it could be used, one of My sisters doesn't understand technology I tried to tell her what to watch out for , she just sold the family ranch and purchased a New 2024 Mercedes AMG C43 because she likes it and someone she knows has one 😢😮 I think she was upset when I said I didn't like the car 😮 I'm driving a 2001 GMC Yukon thats like new rides like a Cadillac compared to her car, it's no longer connected because the OnStar in it was Analog and decommissioned years ago (it can't function no analog cell towers left in the USA) I have a 12 RAM 2500 that's a little more connected (not really just bluetooth) but it's only use is to tow a camper if I sell the camper the Truck gets sold also. But it's a Truck they are always last to get the technology cars have sometimes decades behind.
But it would be even better if the people who know about this situation would form an advocacy group to get the laws changed.
This is what the one world government will do to us
Noooo, this is what capitalism _does_ to us.
@@Aeroldoth3it's not a capitalist thing it happens in all 'developed' countries in the world
STOP TRYING TO FIND OUT EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYONE, and by the way i will unhook all data and g.p.s. from all of my cars, what I do and where i go is NO ONES BUSINESS SO BUTT OUT!!!
Guess what? People just can't get enough of computer crap in their cars. Pay more up front for the privilege of being tracked. Pay more for maintenance for the privilege of being surveilled. Pay more for an ever-shrinking sphere of privacy. Car buyers are just nuts.
Yeah, GM or a corporation would never lie.
Everybody are complaining about cars but all the "smart" devices, all the "free" websites and apps are storing personal data, that's why they are free or cheaper.
I'm not saying that is ok, but you should complain about everything, UA-cam, Facebook, Whatsapp, Microsoft, cellphones, TV's, notebooks and even some refrigerators among other appliances are doing this.
Would be very interesting to see an update 4 years later, and do a much more in depth investigation, that would cover at least a few major brands and not only head units.
to make my car run and drive i need: 12 volts to the coil, 12 volts to the starter, and a ground to the distributer points. points ignition and a carburetor will suffice
My phone might share much of that data, but my car is 100% analogue. Right down to the speedometer, cable driven. The AM radio is a bit of a worry though, that connects with the outside world 😆
Vehicles are literally a rolling antenna now. I would never buy another vehicle with connectivity. Absolute death traps
ridiculous comment
Best comment.
In toyotas, you can disable vehicle data communication by pressing the SOS button and following instructions.
Don’t forget, late on a payment, they can shut you down.
Running from someone/something, they can shut you down. Car stolen, they know where it’s at.
When I purchased my used car a few years ago I was disappointed that I couldn’t connect my phone to the radio system due to it needing to be fixed. Now, I thank The Lord that it was malfunctioning & that I never took the time & money to get it fixed. Glory Hallelu😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
How do I disable it? I would think you might disconnect the antenna?
yeah, my car says in front of owner's manual they collect date where did i give them permission to take my data when i bought the car there was no disclosure saying we will take any data we want, and you cannot opt out of it.
I've been thinking about buying a 1971 Plymouth Satellite.
You can drive it faster than the speed of light.
You came from planet Claire.
And dont forget to breathe that pink air lol
What happens if the fin on the roof gets scraped off? Can the car run without it?
I'm pretty sure it would.
I unplugged the cell antenna on my jeep and it gives an error on startup every time.
I swear, there were people just waiting for me to be BORN so they could make money off me.
drive old cars and leave your cell at home ;-).. and pay cash wherever it is still possible!
This is even worse with electric cars. More computing power and you also need the car connected in order to calculate the range and find chargers. Meanwhile the car has cameras inside and outside and just imagine what they can store, mine, sell and profile.
Ok so a powersupply, serial from the board to an arduino to enable communication to a laptop. Got it. Thanks for the info :)
Does anyone know if your OnStar subscription has expired will your vehicle still transmit data about YOU? I haven't had OnStar working in my 2012 GMC for many years. I just realized this is an old video.
Is there an antenna which can be unplugged or covered up?
I love my 2006 Honda.
It shall outlive me.
If a vehicle has onstar but you do not pay for any connection or services, does it still track data? 2006 Silverado
Lies from GM. Finally got caught
How to disconnect the antenna?
As a factory trained Red Seal Technician with SET(Specialized Electrical Training), I'm extremely well trained and dangerously knowledgeable about modern vehicles communications with the "mother ship" and what data and driving habits/events are stored in unsuspecting modules. Rest assured, as far as outside communication of data is concerned you most definitely can stop it, but it takes me quite a while to defeat those systems but it can be done. As far as stored data in modules is concerned, you have to rewrite all the code for every module and while yes it's possible, it isn't financially practical.
Additionally, I know of vehicles where EVERY module was fried in a successful effort to eradicate all event/crash data before a warrant was issued to extract said data and everything ended right there. Not so much as the VIN could be ready from so much as the power windows switch nor could you communicate with a TPMS sensor
@@gmctech So when you write your vehicle off, you need to go and open all the modules and drill holes in the chips?
Essentially yes..... It's easier to "fry" them than drill through each processor and eeprom....
My next car will be a 1970s something
That's why I will never replace my 2000 Toyota Tacoma.
No holes for the tail lights?
can't believe Yang is the only politician talking about making data a property right.
we need a new data protection amendment that says, no data can be shared, sold, or abused without authorization of the owner/user
the only thing companies should be allowed to do is to collect and store data for legal and marketing purposes only
“I contacted the manufacturer and they wouldn’t tell me what data they’re collecting or for what reasons”
Yep. They don’t want you to know. If they admitted to collecting personal data on their buyers, they’d likely loose a ton of buyers and they know it.
My car is 20 years old and has only 1 computer controlling engine management.
It is dumb and I love it, keep the new ones!
Big brother be watching you .
Not my 2011. I'll just get an engine swap when it's time, no new cars.
You’re worried about your car data while voluntarily wearing a watch that collects medical, audio & location data about you. 😂
Congratulations Brian!
I rent when I need to use a vehicle and one thing I noticed yesterday while driving a Mazda3 was that twice during the drive, the vehicle displayed a speed limit[next to the speedometer] different from the one posted on the street. Once higher, 45 in a 35mph area, and again 25mph in a 35mph zone.
Not sure where it pulls it's data from but it seems like a discrepancy that could possibly be used against you in issuing traffic citations.
They haven't updated the software. I've seen that happen in a Mazda crossover.
The cost of violating your privacy and collecting your data is added into the cost of your vehicle when you purchase or lease.🤔
It’s Oct. 2024 now and people are slowly becoming more aware of this…This video was considerably “before it’s time”. Normally the Washington Post is a rag, but this reporter does it right. Kudos where it’s due. This is still a relevant video that we can share to wake people up about a vehicle from 2017!
So, tell us how to turn it off!
Just out a camera in peoples houses that connects to companies and the government at this point
Why can't you just 'short' the antenna cable?
Remember when the government bailed out the auto manufacturers?
I'm sorry, we can't allow your car to run. We see that you said on social media that you think there are onIy two genders.
Trump supporters deserve worse tbh
@@AlexanderKojen
Such a thing isn't only limited to those who support Trump. It's a thing even liberals believe.
Genders dont exist, only sexes
@@AlexanderKojen People who think rights should be taken because they support a politician you dislike deserve much, much worse.
Not “think”. Know! 😁
My car has on star and I talk to myself constantly while. Sometimes angrily. 😂
same, imagine just rambling, and your thoughts gets interpritted as being evidence to nail you with something
Geoffrey: Don’t try this at home.
Viewers: Trying this at home 👁️👄👁️
Too scary. Glad i drive a 2003 car.
I have a question…,what IF you don’t PAY the OnStar service monthly bill?? Do they still hack your driving data?
Will the program tell you who has "Administration" over program ?
Or who received data ???
I guess I’ll be driving my unconnected 2013 Santa Fe till it finally quits working. I take my personal privacy very seriously, probably because I’m 60 and have witnessed the corporate takeover of data firsthand. Great vehicle by the way. 180 000 km and zero problems. 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦