Hello, dear ones! 😊❤ Nice work on the easle project. Nice to see you folks are doing well, keeping moving, and staying busy with projects. I like the "Charlie Brown" vibe music. lol I say go with the pull down stairs with railing built in. 👍 Blessings to you both.🙏 💖🦋🌅💐
The access to our attic is in the oldest part of the house, 1850s or possibly older, and looks just like yours. The HVAC guys ran the ductwork in the attic, so you could do that too. They put the cooling unit in an unused space behind a wall at the top of the staircase, but I'm guessing you don't have something similar. So, your best bet is to put the units outside and run the lines to connect inside. We have units for the downstairs and also for the upstairs. Just be sure to put in an oversized unit for cooling purposes. Our first one was based on normal recommendations but wasn't able to keep the upstairs really cool. When we had to replace it we had them bump the size up which helped, but it's still hot upstairs more often than not. We've never seemed to get it balanced either. The rooms furthest from the unit are quit a bit warmer than the rooms closest to the unit. We set the thermostat on 72 but the temperature might show 85, or more, which means the unit runs pretty much all the time. Still it's better than no AC at all, which is how I actually grew up in the south, and it does cut down on the humidity upstairs. Oh, yes. Be sure to put the thermostat somewhere other than at the top of the stairs. The heat coming up the staircase tends to confuse it. Good luck☺!
I like the large open landing space. The pulldown stair option would work for me. I would also consider a lift type platform to raise or lower things for storage. You may consider how frequently you would need attic access or if planning on adding living space. Whatever you choose will be carefully thought out and well done.
I've watched all of your videos via a ROKU device, so I've never commented. Really enjoy them. Why not start the stairs on the long wall, as you showed. Then, at the point where the beam becomes an issue make a right turn towards the wall with two doors. This would allow for some nice storage under the the top portion of the stairs and still leave a reasonably wide, stairway-width-long hallway, straight ahead of where you reach this landing from the floor below. This short hallway would allow for full-height access to both the rooms on the right, as well as the door on the long wall. You would now have a smaller room created at the back of what is now a large open landing. I don't believe this smaller room would have a window, but it could still be used for a small reading or craft room, a study, a small in-home theater, or a children's play room, even if you didn't choose to add a window or some sort of skylight. Putting heating and air in a Victorian isn't always easy, but it is certainly necessary in the area where you live, which I know well. Hopefully, you will find that you only have to add heat and air to the upper floor in order to be comfortable year round throughout your lovely home. Hope this helps, and thank you both for all the hours of pleasant entertainment.
Thank you for watching! The alignment of the stairs that you've described seems to be the only way they could fit up there. We have full HVAC on the lower floor so we can stay comfortable down below.
Hi Mike and Jeannie! Your new easel looks good! Wow, stairs to the attic is a big project, but it will definitely be nice to have air conditioning on the second floor. I live in Oklahoma and I know AC is a necessity in the summer here, so I assume it’s even more necessary in your part of the country. That will also be nice to have stairs instead of a hatch for storing things in the attic. We have a hatch with pull-down ladder to access our attic, which is common for one-story homes around here. The hatch is larger than your hatch, but it would definitely be easier to use stairs and a door. Hope you both have a happy Independence Day!
I wouldn't alter that house by putting in a staircase...that landing would have been used for a family gathering room with furniture. You need to put a drop ceiling staircase in. Out of visual site for the most part. Think of the stairs in the movie christmas vacation. They work well.
If you need the staircase to get to the attic for storage and HVAC, why not put in hide a way attic stair? We have one that is trimmed out nicely. We pull it down when needed and push it closed when we are done. They walk up just likes stairs and are not very steep. This way you wont have to try to match the existing ballistars and color of the existing wood. I am sure it would be cheaper. We only paid $250 for ours. My husband installed it. He is, however, a carpenter 😊.
I vote for a pull down stairway. We have a pulldown ladder. It works way better than a regular ladder, but a stairway would be easier to carry things up and down. A pull down doesn’t take up landing room space. It can temporarily go across a door entrance.
Definitely pull down stairs. We have fold down stairs in our 1880 house. The upstairs ceiling is 9 feet but the stairs are not designed for that. The intention is that the legs would be trimmed to fit. I had to add hinged blocks to make up the difference (a good 4 inches) and have the feet rest flat on the floor. There are dents in the floor where the stairs were used before I fixed them. Couldn't just fasten the spacers on due to clearance issues. Could send some pictures if you're interested. Make sure you get stairs that are long enough!
If the primary purpose of the stairs is to make the attic accessible for the installation of HVAC, why not have some HVAC installers come over and see what they need as far as accessibility? Our house has a tiny hole in the ceiling and they got the HVAC stuff through it. I agree with the other posters that a pull-down stair makes the most sense. Makes it more accessible than the hole, but doesn’t disrupt the aesthetic of the house. Designing and building a correct staircase is probably one of the hardest carpentry tasks there is! And you may need the advice of an engineer if you mess with any of the structural elements of the attic and whether a stair would affect any loads on the second floor. If you have to go with the stairs, you may be able to find Victorian stairs at a salvage yard.
I hope it’s not overreaching to call those handmade easels an heirloom. My great-grandfather’s set of dressers is so precious to me. You can just see the love that went into them and I hope two generations from now, they’ll look back on this video, in 1080 SD, since not only will there be 12K quality, but it will also be 3D without needing glasses. …nonetheless. I would love to see footage or photos of my heirloom dressers being constructed. Can’t wait to see the progress of the attic stairs. I’ve yearned for installations in other houses that could fit them comfortably. I’m sure they’ll look like they’ve always been there. Another reason I can’t wait to see the process.
Jeanie and mike your very clever in what you do i love to paint draw cook wood work gardening and I want to make a patch quilt for my bed always look forward to your videos.
I agree with everyone else - pull down stairs (the nice sturdy kind) for the win! The biggest change you'd make is the size of the current opening. The last thing you want to do is end up being the subject of "Why the heck did they 'ruin' this landing and leave us with a massive tear out project to put the house back to its historic self?" comments about you down the road! 😂
I am so glad you talked about adding attic stairs. It is something we will be doing in the no-to-distant future... and now I know how to calculate the space we will need. Thank you.
What of running an old fashioned steep staircase? - door seems like a closet then you open the door and, viola, steep steps (almost ladder but not quite) - these type of steps are similar to stairs in one of those tiny houses - the stairs run perhaps twenty percent of run compared to standard stairs (do you have a closet in one of those rooms that the steps would climb through?) could make a jut-out of this scenario and have a small linen closet behind it - this avenue of plans would be a lot of work, but would be comparable to other old houses what of one of those dual purpose Mr. Cool heating and cooling duo unit? wouldn't need the stairs to attic since unit is outside (hiding behind a bush or secret wall), but would have to try to either get old fashioned looking unit OR find place in walls to install that wouldn't be a foreign eyesore could also break up landing -- add jut-out that looks like linen closet but is actually a staircase with a quick landing turn, it saves on run length to have the landing, but nothing fat and long would easily make it up this type of stair if these ideas are too costly to implement or too labor intensive, suggest the pulldown stairs but with an old fashioned chain with fancy Victorian type pull bobble
We think that the only way to make a stair work would be to have it change direction like you suggested. The closets are in the spaces next to the chimneys, facing the next room over, so there's no way to do it that way.
A PULL DOWM STAIRCASE WOULD BE THE BEST ANSWER BUT THEY DO HAVE SOME MAJOR DRAWBACKS. THEY ARE NOT VERY WIDE. PULLING THEM UP AND DOWN IS A PAIN IN THE NECK ESPECIALLY AS YOU GET OLDER. YOU WOULD'NT WANT TO USE THEM ON A DAILY BASIS.
Mike, I’m seeing a lot of folks saying consider a pull down door. I would agree with them. Is there a reason that wasn’t an option? Hugs to you both, Doc❤
I can understand how hot it is upstairs but you still have a beautiful house. Awww, now I see the easel. What through me off was the top of it. Most easels have a triangle at the top. You guys are so clever how you made that one. Curious Mike, if you can put the stairs in does that mean you’ll put the central heat n air up in the attic? I definitely see you can use the attic for storage n be so simple to get up there. They do make a kit you can buy n place in your attic opening/door n stairs can drop down. This is my confusion…. why the stairs? I guess I may find out on the next video LOL. Good to see you both. Stay cool n refresh. ♥️😊👍👍🌟🌟
Hi Shelly! We want to claim the space for storage, and be able to move HVAC equipment up there. Presently, I can't even get a shop vacuum up there, and I can barely fit the opening.
I know nothing about building of course, but would it be possible to place a staircase in the middle of the landing. You might be able to create something quite attractive and unique that would blend in with the general decor, or perhaps there would not be enough room to do so either!
@@1834RestorationHouse You'll probably will want to go with a high velocity HVAC system that uses small 2 to 3 in. round ducts. Probably the best choice for older houses.
What kind of paintings do you want to create? Landscape, still life, or flowers for decoration on your walls? I'm wanting to get into oil as well but mostly I do colored pencil, pencil and ink as well. I love flowers and birds. Would you create the stairs to look like the olden days?
Why don't you try installing the pull-down ladder/stairs that are sold at HD or Lowes. They're already set as a kit. You can get aluminum or wood, and you don't have to look at another staircase which will also need painted. Ooh, too much work!
Altering that upper landing by adding a staircase would be unfortunate. The attic could be accessed by a fold down stairway without really ruining the aesthetic of the house. PLENTY of old houses have had AC added and manage this without having a full walkup attic situation. Walking up those stairs and SUDDENLY running into another set would be really awkward and will always look out of place.
I hate to see the beautiful landing changed. I also think pull down stairs are the best solution. Btw… when will you finish the dining room and build Jeannie some beautiful furniture?❤
The problem with the longer wall is that there's a sloped roof right above it. The only way that could work is if we build it into an "L" shape near the top to move it away from the pitched roof.
If you were to put the stairs to the attic on the longer wall but reverse the direction, would you be able to clear the roof line in the attic? For an example since I do not know the orientation of that wall, instead of going north to south with your stairs, go south to north.
So many people are saying pull down ladder but I disagree. Its never easy putting things, especially furniture, in the attic using a pull down ladder. Would the stairs work on the other wall but going in the other direction?
I also think it will be too tight aesthetically. It's not the main staircase, so it shouldn't fall in line with the main one. It's much better on the far wall and won't block the flow on the landing.
@@1834RestorationHouse yes, I know you will. Its just if it's on the right, between the two rooms, it breaks up the space. When you arrive at the top of the existing stairs you want an open space where you see the other rooms and the window. Another flight of stairs will look better on the larger left wall where there's more floor space for it and it keeps the landing more open.
I am curious, why start the stairs a step width in and not have the first ride at the edge of the first door frame? When you were mapping it out, it started in a ways. I just don't understand the logic and reasoning behind that, especially if you are tight on space.
I've seen attic stairs in older homes in a closet. Is there a closet in the hall or a bedroom you could use? They tend to be steeper but workable. Strange that there isn't one. Have a great weekend, and enjoy the 4th. 🎆🎆🎆❤️🤍💙
Also, in that space of 117" inbetween the doors, youd be avle to for ten full steps at 11 inches deep, with 7 insches left over. How tall from floor to top of the top frame? Take that and divide it by the height of your rise and see if the hieght will allow for clearence of the door and frame. If i rrmember correctly, at one time you guys said the doors were eight feet. Im thinking, based on the measurements you stated in the video that a stair case wont fit there. 😢 I hope im wrong.
And, could you not build a staircase at the back of the landing area that turns like the stairs do to go from first floor to second since you're right on room. Or in another place where the stairs turn to make them fit in a smaller area? Sorry for all the questions and comments. Just thinking and brainstorming here. Good luck!
Emmy, It looks like the only way to make the stairs work would be to make it an "L" shape. The least intrusive would be to go straight up, then turn near the ceiling. Thanks for the brainstorming!
First thing they should do is put decent ceiling insulation in the attic space - can do this right now through the existing manhole. Not having sufficient access from inside the house isn't an excuse for not installing an A/C unit up there either - you can temporarily open the roof and crane it in which would probably be cheaper than building a stair case or just make the manhole bigger which would definitely be the cheapest option.
That would require running ductwork up the side of the house or up through a first floor room. I'm looking to make it invisible. From the attic, it would be simple to duct right into the second floor rooms below. Good question!
I hate air conditioning..I like fans and open windows....the air conditioner causes my ears and nose to get sick because I was not born with a tube in the ears to drain anyway
We agree! We'll take cool fresh air any day. Unfortunately South Carolina gets unbearably hot and humid in the peak of summer, and we have no way of getting rid of the excess without AC.
Now, I love DIY and, personally, I don't mind if you start doing differential equations, but why reinvent the wheel? Google "folding attic stairs" and "telesopic attic stairs". You'll find many different solutions, they've got it already figured out for you and don't mind too much if the stairs land in front of a door -mine do by the way- unless you plan to spend hours in your attic every day.
Hello, dear ones! 😊❤
Nice work on the easle project. Nice to see you folks are doing well, keeping moving, and staying busy with projects.
I like the "Charlie Brown" vibe music. lol
I say go with the pull down stairs with railing built in. 👍
Blessings to you both.🙏
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How about pull down stairs with a built in hand rail? It is easier and cheaper.
I see many votes for pull down stairs. Practical and doesnt take away from the houses charm. Im sure whatever you choose will be beautiful. Blessings.
And here's another vote for pull down stairs. That seems the most practical solution.
The access to our attic is in the oldest part of the house, 1850s or possibly older, and looks just like yours. The HVAC guys ran the ductwork in the attic, so you could do that too. They put the cooling unit in an unused space behind a wall at the top of the staircase, but I'm guessing you don't have something similar. So, your best bet is to put the units outside and run the lines to connect inside. We have units for the downstairs and also for the upstairs. Just be sure to put in an oversized unit for cooling purposes. Our first one was based on normal recommendations but wasn't able to keep the upstairs really cool. When we had to replace it we had them bump the size up which helped, but it's still hot upstairs more often than not. We've never seemed to get it balanced either. The rooms furthest from the unit are quit a bit warmer than the rooms closest to the unit. We set the thermostat on 72 but the temperature might show 85, or more, which means the unit runs pretty much all the time. Still it's better than no AC at all, which is how I actually grew up in the south, and it does cut down on the humidity upstairs. Oh, yes. Be sure to put the thermostat somewhere other than at the top of the stairs. The heat coming up the staircase tends to confuse it. Good luck☺!
I like the large open landing space. The pulldown stair option would work for me. I would also consider a lift type platform to raise or lower things for storage. You may consider how frequently you would need attic access or if planning on adding living space. Whatever you choose will be carefully thought out and well done.
I've watched all of your videos via a ROKU device, so I've never commented. Really enjoy them. Why not start the stairs on the long wall, as you showed. Then, at the point where the beam becomes an issue make a right turn towards the wall with two doors. This would allow for some nice storage under the the top portion of the stairs and still leave a reasonably wide, stairway-width-long hallway, straight ahead of where you reach this landing from the floor below. This short hallway would allow for full-height access to both the rooms on the right, as well as the door on the long wall. You would now have a smaller room created at the back of what is now a large open landing. I don't believe this smaller room would have a window, but it could still be used for a small reading or craft room, a study, a small in-home theater, or a children's play room, even if you didn't choose to add a window or some sort of skylight. Putting heating and air in a Victorian isn't always easy, but it is certainly necessary in the area where you live, which I know well. Hopefully, you will find that you only have to add heat and air to the upper floor in order to be comfortable year round throughout your lovely home. Hope this helps, and thank you both for all the hours of pleasant entertainment.
Thank you for watching! The alignment of the stairs that you've described seems to be the only way they could fit up there. We have full HVAC on the lower floor so we can stay comfortable down below.
Hi Mike and Jeannie! Your new easel looks good! Wow, stairs to the attic is a big project, but it will definitely be nice to have air conditioning on the second floor. I live in Oklahoma and I know AC is a necessity in the summer here, so I assume it’s even more necessary in your part of the country. That will also be nice to have stairs instead of a hatch for storing things in the attic. We have a hatch with pull-down ladder to access our attic, which is common for one-story homes around here. The hatch is larger than your hatch, but it would definitely be easier to use stairs and a door. Hope you both have a happy Independence Day!
Thank you Jennifer!
I wouldn't alter that house by putting in a staircase...that landing would have been used for a family gathering room with furniture. You need to put a drop ceiling staircase in. Out of visual site for the most part. Think of the stairs in the movie christmas vacation. They work well.
I agree drop down staircase. Who wants to come out of the bedroom and have the staircase in your face
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Well, in fairness, the staircase goes the other direction. You'd be faced with a bumped out wall.
If you need the staircase to get to the attic for storage and HVAC, why not put in hide a way attic stair? We have one that is trimmed out nicely. We pull it down when needed and push it closed when we are done. They walk up just likes stairs and are not very steep. This way you wont have to try to match the existing ballistars and color of the existing wood. I am sure it would be cheaper. We only paid $250 for ours. My husband installed it. He is, however, a carpenter 😊.
Of course! I think Mike is going about this the very hard way. Moving beams and all. A pull down fold away attic staircase is the easiest thing to do.
I vote for a pull down stairway. We have a pulldown ladder. It works way better than a regular ladder, but a stairway would be easier to carry things up and down. A pull down doesn’t take up landing room space. It can temporarily go across a door entrance.
I second this
Thank you for being a warm hug after every busy and tough week Mike and Jeanie ♥
You're welcome!
We live right next to the Pacific Ocean now and today is quite hot inside. So I am outside watching you 2.
Definitely pull down stairs. We have fold down stairs in our 1880 house. The upstairs ceiling is 9 feet but the stairs are not designed for that. The intention is that the legs would be trimmed to fit. I had to add hinged blocks to make up the difference (a good 4 inches) and have the feet rest flat on the floor. There are dents in the floor where the stairs were used before I fixed them. Couldn't just fasten the spacers on due to clearance issues. Could send some pictures if you're interested. Make sure you get stairs that are long enough!
Lovin the muzak!!!!!
If the primary purpose of the stairs is to make the attic accessible for the installation of HVAC, why not have some HVAC installers come over and see what they need as far as accessibility? Our house has a tiny hole in the ceiling and they got the HVAC stuff through it. I agree with the other posters that a pull-down stair makes the most sense. Makes it more accessible than the hole, but doesn’t disrupt the aesthetic of the house. Designing and building a correct staircase is probably one of the hardest carpentry tasks there is! And you may need the advice of an engineer if you mess with any of the structural elements of the attic and whether a stair would affect any loads on the second floor. If you have to go with the stairs, you may be able to find Victorian stairs at a salvage yard.
I hope it’s not overreaching to call those handmade easels an heirloom. My great-grandfather’s set of dressers is so precious to me. You can just see the love that went into them and I hope two generations from now, they’ll look back on this video, in 1080 SD, since not only will there be 12K quality, but it will also be 3D without needing glasses. …nonetheless. I would love to see footage or photos of my heirloom dressers being constructed.
Can’t wait to see the progress of the attic stairs. I’ve yearned for installations in other houses that could fit them comfortably. I’m sure they’ll look like they’ve always been there. Another reason I can’t wait to see the process.
Heirloom easels....That's a new concept! :-) We've been shooting in 4K UHD for a few years now but we render the vids out to HD usually.
Jeanie and mike your very clever in what you do i love to paint draw cook wood work gardening and I want to make a patch quilt for my bed always look forward to your videos.
Thanks for watching Debbie! Sounds like you're very handy.
Here's another vote for the pull down stairs.
Thank you for sharing
Thanks for watching!
I agree with everyone else - pull down stairs (the nice sturdy kind) for the win! The biggest change you'd make is the size of the current opening.
The last thing you want to do is end up being the subject of "Why the heck did they 'ruin' this landing and leave us with a massive tear out project to put the house back to its historic self?" comments about you down the road! 😂
I am so glad you talked about adding attic stairs. It is something we will be doing in the no-to-distant future... and now I know how to calculate the space we will need. Thank you.
I'm glad it was helpful! And we didn't even need to do quadratic equations!
@@1834RestorationHouseA lot of good that stupid college algebra is!!🙄
What of running an old fashioned steep staircase? - door seems like a closet then you open the door and, viola, steep steps (almost ladder but not quite) - these type of steps are similar to stairs in one of those tiny houses - the stairs run perhaps twenty percent of run compared to standard stairs (do you have a closet in one of those rooms that the steps would climb through?) could make a jut-out of this scenario and have a small linen closet behind it
- this avenue of plans would be a lot of work, but would be comparable to other old houses
what of one of those dual purpose Mr. Cool heating and cooling duo unit? wouldn't need the stairs to attic since unit is outside (hiding behind a bush or secret wall), but would have to try to either get old fashioned looking unit OR find place in walls to install that wouldn't be a foreign eyesore
could also break up landing -- add jut-out that looks like linen closet but is actually a staircase with a quick landing turn, it saves on run length to have the landing, but nothing fat and long would easily make it up this type of stair
if these ideas are too costly to implement or too labor intensive, suggest the pulldown stairs but with an old fashioned chain with fancy Victorian type pull bobble
We think that the only way to make a stair work would be to have it change direction like you suggested. The closets are in the spaces next to the chimneys, facing the next room over, so there's no way to do it that way.
Fantastic!!!
Have you considered putting the attic staircase along the railing to the right at the top of your stairs?
We're considering all possible configurations. :-)
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A PULL DOWM STAIRCASE WOULD BE THE BEST ANSWER BUT THEY DO HAVE SOME MAJOR DRAWBACKS. THEY ARE NOT VERY WIDE. PULLING THEM UP AND DOWN IS A PAIN IN THE NECK ESPECIALLY AS YOU GET OLDER. YOU WOULD'NT WANT TO USE THEM ON A DAILY BASIS.
Maybe add a landing and turn the stairs 90 deg. to get the stairway to work in the area?
That's probably the only solution in this case.
Mike, I’m seeing a lot of folks saying consider a pull down door. I would agree with them. Is there a reason that wasn’t an option? Hugs to you both, Doc❤
Aesthetics, size, and load capacity. 💖
I can understand how hot it is upstairs but you still have a beautiful house.
Awww, now I see the easel. What through me off was the top of it. Most easels have a triangle at the top. You guys are so clever how you made that one.
Curious Mike, if you can put the stairs in does that mean you’ll put the central heat n air up in the attic? I definitely see you can use the attic for storage n be so simple to get up there. They do make a kit you can buy n place in your attic opening/door n stairs can drop down. This is my confusion…. why the stairs? I guess I may find out on the next video LOL.
Good to see you both. Stay cool n refresh. ♥️😊👍👍🌟🌟
Hi Shelly! We want to claim the space for storage, and be able to move HVAC equipment up there. Presently, I can't even get a shop vacuum up there, and I can barely fit the opening.
I know nothing about building of course, but would it be possible to place a staircase in the middle of the landing. You might be able to create something quite attractive and unique that would blend in with the general decor, or perhaps there would not be enough room to do so either!
Unfortunately that wouldn't work, given the space constraints.
Are you planning to do mini splits for A/C? No duct work needed. You could consult an architect to see what other options you may have.
If the equipment is in the attic, we could easily duct it, but I'm curious to see if it can be disguised as some architectural detail.
@@1834RestorationHouse You'll probably will want to go with a high velocity HVAC system that uses small 2 to 3 in. round ducts. Probably the best choice for older houses.
What kind of paintings do you want to create? Landscape, still life, or flowers for decoration on your walls? I'm wanting to get into oil as well but mostly I do colored pencil, pencil and ink as well. I love flowers and birds. Would you create the stairs to look like the olden days?
At this point, we'll be glad just to complete a paint by number set. ;-)
Pull down stairs !
Why don't you try installing the pull-down ladder/stairs that are sold at HD or Lowes. They're already set as a kit. You can get aluminum or wood, and you don't have to look at another staircase which will also need painted. Ooh, too much work!
Hope it works out for you. Happy 4th.
Happy 4'th!
What about a spiral staircase????
Altering that upper landing by adding a staircase would be unfortunate. The attic could be accessed by a fold down stairway without really ruining the aesthetic of the house. PLENTY of old houses have had AC added and manage this without having a full walkup attic situation.
Walking up those stairs and SUDDENLY running into another set would be really awkward and will always look out of place.
I hate to see the beautiful landing changed. I also think pull down stairs are the best solution. Btw… when will you finish the dining room and build Jeannie some beautiful furniture?❤
Sometime after the easels! :-)
Pull down attic stairs. Easier and cheaper.
Why not reverse the start point of the staircase on the longer wall? That will allow for an easier run and step rise.
The problem with the longer wall is that there's a sloped roof right above it. The only way that could work is if we build it into an "L" shape near the top to move it away from the pitched roof.
What about a spiral staircase?
If you were to put the stairs to the attic on the longer wall but reverse the direction, would you be able to clear the roof line in the attic? For an example since I do not know the orientation of that wall, instead of going north to south with your stairs, go south to north.
It would and up the same, either way it's built. An "L" shape is the only way to make that work.
So many people are saying pull down ladder but I disagree. Its never easy putting things, especially furniture, in the attic using a pull down ladder.
Would the stairs work on the other wall but going in the other direction?
Possibly! It will probably require changing direction part way up.
@@1834RestorationHouse I'm sure it will be beautiful no matter where you put it. 😊
Mint Juleps yet????
No, not yet. ;-)
What about the aesthetics of the hall if you place another staircasse there? Will it be awkward, or will you "dress it up?"
I also think it will be too tight aesthetically. It's not the main staircase, so it shouldn't fall in line with the main one. It's much better on the far wall and won't block the flow on the landing.
We would build it to look like the vintage stairs.
@@1834RestorationHouse yes, I know you will. Its just if it's on the right, between the two rooms, it breaks up the space. When you arrive at the top of the existing stairs you want an open space where you see the other rooms and the window. Another flight of stairs will look better on the larger left wall where there's more floor space for it and it keeps the landing more open.
I am curious, why start the stairs a step width in and not have the first ride at the edge of the first door frame? When you were mapping it out, it started in a ways. I just don't understand the logic and reasoning behind that, especially if you are tight on space.
I didn't show it very well, but the first step meets the floor right against the door trim. Good question!
Just buy pull down stairs.
Pull down stairs.
I've seen attic stairs in older homes in a closet. Is there a closet in the hall or a bedroom you could use? They tend to be steeper but workable. Strange that there isn't one. Have a great weekend, and enjoy the 4th. 🎆🎆🎆❤️🤍💙
It is very strange! The house next door which was owned by the same lady has a nice stairway going up.
Yep, and then you can close the door to prevent all the warm air rising up there in winter and leaving the rest of the house ice cold.
I have to agree, if you can put it in a closet it won’t change the beauty of the landing and having a door you can close can make a huge difference!
Also, in that space of 117" inbetween the doors, youd be avle to for ten full steps at 11 inches deep, with 7 insches left over. How tall from floor to top of the top frame? Take that and divide it by the height of your rise and see if the hieght will allow for clearence of the door and frame. If i rrmember correctly, at one time you guys said the doors were eight feet. Im thinking, based on the measurements you stated in the video that a stair case wont fit there. 😢 I hope im wrong.
And, could you not build a staircase at the back of the landing area that turns like the stairs do to go from first floor to second since you're right on room. Or in another place where the stairs turn to make them fit in a smaller area?
Sorry for all the questions and comments. Just thinking and brainstorming here. Good luck!
Emmy, It looks like the only way to make the stairs work would be to make it an "L" shape. The least intrusive would be to go straight up, then turn near the ceiling. Thanks for the brainstorming!
If you don’t insulate the walls, better windows, Heat n A/C will be a Waste of money
That would be so expensive!
@@SofiNme365 so is not having it
First thing they should do is put decent ceiling insulation in the attic space - can do this right now through the existing manhole. Not having sufficient access from inside the house isn't an excuse for not installing an A/C unit up there either - you can temporarily open the roof and crane it in which would probably be cheaper than building a stair case or just make the manhole bigger which would definitely be the cheapest option.
It's kind of controversial as to if insulating an old house like theirs may damage it in the long run.
Why don’t you put the heating and air outside like most people in SC do? I don’t know anyone here in SC that has one in their attic!
That would require running ductwork up the side of the house or up through a first floor room. I'm looking to make it invisible. From the attic, it would be simple to duct right into the second floor rooms below. Good question!
I hate air conditioning..I like fans and open windows....the air conditioner causes my ears and nose to get sick because I was not born with a tube in the ears to drain anyway
We agree! We'll take cool fresh air any day. Unfortunately South Carolina gets unbearably hot and humid in the peak of summer, and we have no way of getting rid of the excess without AC.
Now, I love DIY and, personally, I don't mind if you start doing differential equations, but why reinvent the wheel? Google "folding attic stairs" and "telesopic attic stairs". You'll find many different solutions, they've got it already figured out for you and don't mind too much if the stairs land in front of a door -mine do by the way- unless you plan to spend hours in your attic every day.