@@MegafanX123BB's plot is incomprehensible garbage. GG used to be good before Xrd series. Before they started introducing Krang's Dimension X and the Matrix computers
It's because the Character named Zantetsu from "Last Blade" is the actual Ancestor of Eiji Kisaragi from "Art of Fighting," So yes, "Last Blade" is in the same Timeline and Universe as AOF and Fatal Fury.
@@joseurbina3835 Last Blade is a game a play a lot from time to time. Years I have the memory to finish the game with all characters but really did not remember that ending until today. What a gem.
The reason I believe in they stopped aging in KOF 95 onwards because of Iori Yagami's background since the Yagami bloodline are cursed by Orochi in a change to a pact.
That's a reason for K.O.F Getting sucks you've getting older but still those charcters living in there 20s. Why SNK? Why K.O.F characters didn't getting older?
@@ShoryuGame Want me to throw another Wrench in your TL? SNK Heroines is canon to KOF Terry's ending References Real Bout's Ending with Geese falling to his death. Then Terry seeing Rock Appear in his dreams killing him the same way Geese died. (Side note until further notice we don't know how some of the other characters'ages progressed like the Kim twins we haven't seen them in a Main KOF game only 1 of them Cameo's as a Striker. (Just wanted to add to that)
Fans: If KOF is an annual thing, then how do explain Athena being a teenager for 30 years? SNK: Do you like KOF? Fans: Well, yeah! SNK: Then shut the hell up, and enjoy the game!
About Geese and Rock the thing is Geese never cared about Rock's whereabouts. That's actually one reason why Rock hates him. Cuz in the process Geese has also neclected Maria Heinlein, Rock's mother. That would explain why Rock still grew up with Geese. Not to mention Geese might have not showed that he was still alive until he suddenly appeared in kof.
thing is: Geese is hinted in the The King of Fighters: Another Day anime to have photos of his wife and Son, but since he made too many enemies he tried to distance himself so that his enemies wouldn't know about them and use them agianst hi
@@DevilRaptorB Problem is he neglected them so much that Maria ended up suffering from a deadly disease and his son ended up growing up in the streets until Terry found him. So much for power.
The kid was basically homeless he didn't grow up with him at all. In KOF Rock mentioned his he abandoned him. Him finding Terry was honestly a blessing.
This kind of thing is fairly common with fictional characters. Even extremely mainstream TV shows like the Simpsons have characters that never age while still having certain episodes that explore what the characters would/will be like when/if they have aged.
I really dig the story progression in Fatal Fury and seeing characters visibly age and change. That happens to characters in KOF too to an extent, but I liked how it was done in AoF and FF where the characters reflected the passage of time, especially in MotW. It felt much more prounounced when you saw new characters with connections to older characters on the same roster as an older Terry.
And we havent even talked about the 3 timelines of King of Fighters: a) Vanilla KOF with Dream Matches B) Howling Blood Timeline with 10 Sacred Treasures and no K'/NESTS C) Maximum Impact Timeline
It's okay to have a reboot in a series once a story in a preexisting continuity is finished. However, constantly rebooting a series when a new continuity had just gotten started is a writing pitfall in of itself.
KOF's Timeline where Characters never Aged is kinda basically like Superhero Comic Books and The Simpsons, only the World Building has Changed where it involves advanced Technologies like iPhones, Laptops, HD Flat-Screen TVs and even Social Media, So whenever KOF Advances it pretty much takes place in Modern Times to match everything that resembles our current Modern Culture (and I think you might get the Point already).
That's my reasoning for Street Fighter, the exact years don't matter, but the distance between games does in terms of character backstories or how old Mel probably looks: SF SFA (A year or so after 1) SF2 (2 to 3 years after Alpha) SF4 (1 or 2 years after 2, Mel is born) SF5 (2 or 3 years after 4, Mel is probably 3 or 4) SF3 (3 or 4 years after 5, Mel looks about 6 or 7) SF6 (My guess is over 6 years since 3, Mel looks like he could be 11)
It’s a bit simpler than that. Remember Yugioh? So Pegasus makes this big ass arena that you slap your cards onto and you see the monster. Kaiba fits that onto a neat little disc and it outdoes Pegasus’ arena with just a prototype. Then he makes them cooler and everyone gets one if they compete in his tournament. He even made a jet of his favorite monster. Basically: Steve Jobs and Bell labs are slackers compared to the business and R&D gods of anime.
@@haydenfisher1387 Up until 4, 5 & 6 and except for the Alpha games, games take place the years they were released unless noted otherwise. Original game release dates are marked with [ ]. SF [1987] & Final Fight [1989]: 1987, FF1 was originally 1989, but retconned to be right before Alpha 2 with 2005's Capcom Classics Collection. Alpha 2 [1996] & 3 [1998]: 1988-1989, Alpha 2 replaces the events of Alpha 1. SFII [1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 2001, 2003, 2008, 2017]: 1992, originally 1991 like SFIIWW's original release year, but was retconned to be 1992 in 2005's SF The Eternal. Final Fight 2 [1993]: 1993 SFIV [2008, 2010, 2011] Final Fight 3 [1995]: 1995 SFV [2015]: Some events of V happened concurrently during SFIII: Second Impact. SFIII: Second Impact [1997]: 1997, Second Impact replaces the events of New Generation. SFIII: Third Strike [1999]: 1999 Final Fight: Streetwise [2006]: Capcom has decided that at least some of it is canon like Cody's brother Travis & his girlfriend. SF6 [2023]: Mel isn't a good indication of time passed since he should be older pre-teen, Li-Fen is a better indicator since she's a child in two games (3s and SFV) and has grown to be a pre-teen by 6's world tour mode. My guess is 2008 probably.
Kof series are basically from after Terry defeat Geese and Krauser,later make team with Andy and Joe as Team Fatal Fury Also Ryo adventure search little sister Yuri and saves King from Mr.Big
Pretty much like comic books where Spider-Man, Batman and Superman are forever in they're 20s to 30s even though the technology around them keeps changing
We always wondered why “floating” timelines exist, and never considered what would happen if that option never existed. This is why KOF will never age until something big warrants it, but it will be at least decades before that becomes an option. And let’s be real, understanding Despicable Me, The Simpsons, and KOF is less of a headache than understanding Star Wars, Archie Sonic comics, and Mortal Kombat.
@@ShoryuGame Me too, I just read the reviews and Wikipedia/Fandom articles along with the review videos. I was going to watch them until the premise of the final movie came out. That’s how bad it’s gotten if its selling point is nostalgia and rebooting (just like Mortal Kombat, how coincidental). Basically it was good until the sequel trilogy where a reboot is involved. I won’t spoil how (unless you want me to), and the finale got the worst reviews as a result.
Excellent video. It's good to see people talking about that, because KOF is part of another universe Buriki One unfortunately doesn't belong to the Fatal Fury timeline because there's a discrepancy in Ryo's age. In 1999 Ryo from the FF timeline was supposed to be 42 years old, but in this game he is 10 years younger. It's possible that Samurai Shodown Sen belongs to the Fatal Fury timeline as well, because it has a character that resembles Kim, kinda an ancestor, but SNK has to confirm it.
Golly! No esperaba verlo aqui señor Adriano Lopes! Me gustan sus videos, gracias a usted me hizo entender que el KOF 2002 es semicanonico Ojala haga un video analisis del KOF 2001 Le deseo lo mejor 👍 Saludos a los fans koferos de Brasil
The answer is simple it's a floating timeline, it's like the Simpsons and family guy. The characters never age, plus Art of Fighting and Fatal Fury takes place in a separate timeline from King of Fighters and don't forget that the Last Blade and Samurai shodown takes place centuries before Art of Fighting and Fatal Fury it's also believed that world Heroes and aggressors of dark Kombat may take place in the universe as well
I´ve always thought tat KOF timeline was on course until 2003. Kyo changing outfits twice, Athena getting older by her outfits (mid twenties). The new protagonists helped to mature the older ones, at least in story. But 13 onwards is a hot mess, there is the de-aging of almost all roster. In story, between 95 and 96, Kyo was defeated by Goenitz, trained a year developing a new combat style and enlisted to 96 tournament. A year passes to 97 when New Faces and Yamazaki encounters Iori prior to that years KOF. All of 98 was silent as Kyo was kidnapped by Nests, and so
Athena still was presented as a high school student in various intros before switching to her actual fighting outfit, confirming she wasn't aging even if her shorter hair from 99 to 2001 made her look older, before she started just fighting in school uniforms. You also had child characters like Bao not aging. But, yeah, for parts of the main cast you could see some progression.
I of course knew about how AoF flowed into Fatal Fury, and how KoF is on a different timeline and all that. Yet, as soon as the video started, you were immediately hitting me with new information. I was setting off my own 'fake geek girl' alarm. A very informative video! I'm looking forward to seeing how the story moves ahead with City of the Wolves, too.
Crazy enough, Street Fighter 6 almost flips the script on this by having Terry Bogard and Mai Shiranui as DLC characters in a series that DOES have aging characters within a timeline. Street Fighter 6 actually takes place in the late 2000's and early 2010's.
you missed mentioning World Heroes (Hanzo and Fuuma), Fighters' History (Mizoguchi), KOF Maximum Impact, and even Agressors of Dark Kombat (Joe Kusanagi)
World Heroes and Aggressors of Dark Kombat were not made by SNK, these were made by Alpha Denshi/ADK but after they went bankrupt, SNK Playmore got all ADK's IPs making World Heroes and Aggressors of Dark Kombat being part of the SNK universe So that means SNK has two characters called Hanzo Hattori, one from World Heroes and the other from Samurai Shodown 😁 About Joe Kusanagi, I read that during the development of Neo Geo Battle Coliseum, SNK Playmore thought about putting Joe Kusanagi in the roster but they changed their minds after thinking that putting him alongside Kyo would make fans asking many questions
Fighter's History is not owned by SNK It was created by DATA EAST but after going bankrupt, G-Mode took the IP Mizoguchi was a guest in KOF Maximum Impact Regulation A
The thing you neglected or forgotten was the fact even in FF Rock NEVER lived with his father. Rock mentioned how Geese left and he was alone with his mother. Who presumably announce to have died or gone missing. So Rock would look for his father. Im pretty sure in KOF 15 rock even mentioned how he abandoned Him and his mother.
“And we all know how time travel stories end: Paradoxes and plot holes galore.” *shows Trunks cutting Cell like a shish kebab* If that isn’t the best way to show how time travel in fiction can be messy, I don’t know what is.
Excellent Video. I made a similar video talking about the SNK timeline. I'm glad SNK is in a better position now and I hope to continue seeing SNK succeed.
The thing is while Tekken games have a long release gaps between games, in-game time is either a year or a few months. (With Tekken 3 being exception for quite long timeskip from Tekken 2).... Other than that, they either aged greatly and cryosleep situation with Anna and Nina.
At least Kof and its OG timeline doesn't skip around like Street Fighter's. 😂 For the longest, SF didn't want to go beyond SF 3 timeline wise. But finally with SF 6 we can move forward.
The answer is very simple, it is the same reason why Ash Ketchum was 10 for 30 years; They want to tell stories, but making the characters age just add more work and nobody wants to bother
This is the video I never knew I needed lol. Great breakdown on the timelines for newbies Shoryu! Yeah, after decades of games and franchises, it's very difficult to keep things in line. I mean, you can see it even in SF were Ryu looks to have aged a lot and Guile and the others not so much. And they don't have multiple different game timelines they are trying to juggle, so I give SNK a pass on the age pause. Although, if they had kept with the year timeline, it would have been awesome to see these characters aged in their 40s now. Thanks Shoryu!
if they had included kof as part of the main time line then kizuna encounter would have make a lot of sense. southtown was destroyed in kof 2000 , though they rebuilt it , they could just easily said that jazoo city was the original south town and the new south town was rebuilt in a different area.
@@000mjd tbh KOF being a floating TL (if SNK wants it to be) isn't a problem since it has its own story and characters and events that don't exist in their other games. Plus we haven't seen every character so aging up does exist. The real thing is "is it irrelevant right now" Like Kim's kids. We only seen 1 of them in KOF 99 as a Striker. But then we see him when it matters he is still a kid. He have not seen the Kim twins at all physically appear so they are likely adults now like in Garou. We have to wait and see
In Fu'un (Savage Reign/Kizuna Encounter), there's also Chung who met Terry as a kid, for some idea of how far it is in the future (considering he's an old fella)
Kim's ancestor also appeared in a Samurai Showdown game, and SS takes place before the Bakumatsu era, which means Last Blade is not the first, timeline wise
They never age because they're fictional characters, plus unlike other developers, SNK realize the value of brand consistency and don't want to give characters crappy redesigns if possible.
KoF just lets the devs ignore story consistency and time progression for the sake of being able to use any character from their franchises as they please.
Great video Shoryu! But wouldn't Samurai Shodown go before Last Blade as the 1st series in this timeline? Remember Mai Shiranui faced off against Haomaru in Samurai Shodown? That's why Mai and Haomaru have a special intro together in KOF XV
Savage Reign/Kizuna Encounter is a series that takes place quite a few years after City Of The Wolves. Lol Buriki One would make things even more confusing because Mr. Karate 2 is 2 years younger that henwould be in Fatal Fury 1...in 1999 lmao. This is why I'd want SNK to retcon Buriki One by making it take place in *1989,* making the timeline make a bit more sense.
I like more when they are not aging, I mean they are fictional character why would they aging? Yes they need character development, but character development and aging is two different thing, some character can be develop without aging like Iori, rival to reluctant hero during orochi saga or maybe Vegeta and Trunks relationship during Cell saga
Honestly NGL but i would like to see an older version of these characters man i had been experiencing Kyo's teenage angst for 20 years it's time to see him as an adult.
Capcom & snk quit giving their characters birth years and Art of fighting / fatal fury follow a different timeline from kof . So yuri being 20 in kof 1994.... shes pretty old
Maximum Impact was a reboot since it was a retelling of the first KOF tournament [hence why Ryo was a guest in it]. And Ryo didn't look all that much older than Terry. So I guess we'll have to wait until COTW to see what's what.
I assume you're talking out Wild Ambition instead of Maximum Impact? (sorry if I'm wrong). Ryo is actually called Mr Karate in that game and he looks like in his early 30s at least. I'm not so sure about it's canon but I do think the new characters in that game are canon.
Honestly I always assumed that the KOF timeline had each new game take place at least a year after the last one akin to 94 and 95 all the way to Tales of Ash Saga, with the year being based from the year the Game was released IRL, so from my own POV it’d be: KOF 94: 1994 KOF 95: 1995 KOF 96: 1996 KOF 97: 1997 KOF 99: 1999 (KOF 98 was a Dream Match) KOF 2000: 2000 KOF 2001: 2001 KOF XI: 2003 (KOF 2002 was a Dream Match) KOF XII: 2004 KOF XIII: 2005 KOF XIV: 2006 KOF XV: 2007 And this is me being generous towards the timeline happening at the earliest convenience so by this point in time 13 years would have passed by in universe and Kyo’s generation would be in their early 30s, while Terry and Ryo’s generation are in their mid 30s, which could help explain why Rock is on his Garou self by the time of KOF XIV as those events would happen around this time. Again this is me being generous instead of having XI happen in 2005, XII in 2009, XIII in 2010, XIV in 2016, and XV in 2022, which would both go against the in universe narrative given how the Tales of Ash Saga couldn’t be that far apart as well as place Kyo and CO in their 40s to 50s at best! Does this work out for y’all?
Wait... how is Yuri 19 in 1994 when she's a teenager in Art of Fighting? The first game takes place in 1978. She'd probably two years younger than Ryo, with this canonical birthyear is 1957. I know, different timelines with different games. Just make her birthyear of 1979 and Ryo's 1977. (Which makes no sense, but all right.)
If we want to make an excuse for all this timeline conflicts, we can say "ash tampered with the timeline in kof xiii so there is a paradox and complication in all snk universes (also causing antiaging and it effects the past, too) that hasn't been solved yet. They say city of the wolves will be the last part of fatal fury saga. Maybe they use ash's time paradox to combine all universes together
@@ShoryuGame I know that. As I said, we could say Ash's move completely broke the time space harmony. Even the past and they don't even realize that. It's a lame excuse I know but only this way I could make sense all of this antiaging philosophy of KOF characters😂 maybe one day day will fix this problem and kof characters will get age, too.
Ill say including Last blade should have an asterix next to it. Since it hasn't ever been confirmed. Hints are fine you can argue its potential connection. But nothing set in stone.
In Fatal Fury Mark of The Wolves art gallery, there is an image of Ryo, Roberr, and Yuri as older characters. And wouldn't Samurai Shodown have a connection given Genan's last name is Shiranui and his wife looking similar to Mai?
tbf i find kof characters never age strange and the timeliness a bit mixed up, but when you mention geese to be the blame for it and put it that way I guess it makes sense although i jae hoon and dong hwan would be older in kof since rock surprisingly shows up at around his 17 teenage look in xiv and came back again in kofxv which that does seem slightly confusing or idk but overall i was just glad rock was finally canon in kofxv while jen and gato there pretty much are on the same boat as there probably the same age especially Hotaru probably still 16 in her teenage as well while in ff she's now a young adult but still a teen like rock idk its still complicated. Regardless although i'll obviously see hotaru playable in cotw i still wanna see her playable in xv
Japanese women like Athena and Yuri can look youthful well into their 30s (just look at idols like Kyary Pamyu Pamyu and Ayumi Hamasaki). Athena clearly hasn't been in high school since at least 97, and Yuri has been hanging out in bars since at least 95, which necessarily makes her 21 which is the legal drinking age. Them being listed as 18/19 in the official bio is just tongue-in-cheek humor, as if they lied about their age upon registering for the tournament. As for Kim's children in XIII, only Elizabeth's ending is canon. It could be an inconsistency, since the boys are supposed to be Rock's age, but we can dismiss any non canon ending from the series. Geese never wanted to raise Rock to begin with. He couldn't care less who raised him. Rock was adopted by Terry when he was 7 in FF, and in KoF he's first seen in 2001, not 2002. Rock couldn't have been 7 in KoF 2001, since that would mean he was born in 94, which is impossible considering that by then the events of Fatal Fury 1-3 are mostly canon and precede the Orochi saga. That puts Rock's birth around late 80s, so he could've met Terry before the events of KoF 94. 2001 Rock is around the same height/build as Bao, and Bao is 12 in 99 which means he's 14 in 2001. There's no indication of how much time has passed since the 2003 tournament, but if we accept that XI was supposed to have happened in 2004, then Rock already could've been around 17, considering that Terry could've adopted him anywhere between 1990-1996 in the KoF timeline. There really isn't that much inconsistency if you consider that AoF 1 and FF1-3 can totally fit in 1990-93 of the KoF timeline, with the other sequels being replaced by the events of the Orochi saga.
13:05 About Athena's look in KOF XIII (and the look of all the characters in that game) I remember someone said this: "To me people are overcomplicating. It is just an art change. No matter what the lore implies, it has to look different" And I totally agree with that Thanks for the video Shoryugame Thank you for being fair and saying the positive things about SNK not aging their characters in KOF, instead of just saying the negative ones You have my respect 👍
Even if I like some ideas, I actually disagree with this timeline and I wanna explain why : Technically, because of Maximum Impact, we can deduce that KOF games before 2002 taked place in FF timeline cuz yeah, Maximum Impact is taking place in FF timeline since Geese is dead in MI 1 and 2. Which is logic because there can be multiple events in a same year so Geese in FF timeline could have create the Realbout tournament after Kof 96 and then dying. For Kof 97, Geese could just be a fake one like the one from FF2 that Billy has been tracking down. This Fake Geese could be White since the next canon FF after that is Dominated Mind who introduces Alfred who reappear in RBFF2 who's now canon according to an interview. For the Nests saga, there's litterally no mention of Geese in it or even Billy. So in Fatal Fury timeline, KOF Maximum Impact series is the Tales of Ash saga of the FF saga since everyone aged (like Rock who was 12 in 2001 and 15 in Maximum Impact 1 or Terry who's 34 in Maximum Impact 2 or even Ryo since he canonicaly participate as Mr Karate as it's revealed in is prologue in MI2 where Terry has his MOTW outfit). And for the KOF timeline, Buriki One taked place since Ryo and Gai have an interaction in KOF XI. The only FF games that taked place in KOF timeline are the trilogy since Geese is not dead and Terry already know Blue Mary in 97. Another thing that is not true that you mentionned in the really good Ikari Warriors video is that the og Ikari Warrior games didn't take place because of the non presence of Heidern in them which is not true since Heidern appear in the intro of the NES version of Ikari Warriors III which was developped by SNK themselves But I really like the idea of Fu'un series taking place after Cotw
Maximun Impact it's confirmed that it's a own separate timeline from Fatal Fury and the main KOF games, you can clearly see at firts sight since characters like Yuri and Ryo have the same age as KOF Most people use to confuse that because the game take the post events of Real Bout, SouthTown and Geese death as base of the lore but it's it's own thing
@@000mjd I never saw this confirmed anywhere that Maximum Impact is in it's own timeline, everywhere I made my research it's never specified anywhere and Ryo and Yuri argument is kinda stupid cuz in Buriki One, Ryo don't have the same age and birth date than in AOF so this argument is really dumb ngl
@@GodyN64KOF MI is not part of the FF/AoF timeline. Its a new timeline that mixes lore from both FF/AoF timeline and KoF timeline. I think Falcoon has said it.
@@AntzemEmnza Idk where did you get that info cuz if it was true, EVERYONE would have talked about it since Falcoon was very involved with MI developpement. I never heard someone talking about this except Shoryugame so as long as I don't have any good evidence, I'll not believe you. I can be wrong for sure but prove it.
I always have the theory than kof it's an event, like WWE. So, the characters never ages because they're portrayed by different "actors" as time passes....
These are fictional characters in a video game. Of course they don't age. Just like Mairo and Sonic don't age and The Simpsons characters, Bart, Lisa, Homer they don't age either.
They don;t want to be street fightered basically, Capcom can't let go of the SF2 cast but they keep advancing the years to match the real life release years
Sometimes, i wonder if SamSho is like a history book for Last Blade and KOF characters. We have history books about Tesla, Einstein, Chaplin, you name it. I wonder if KOF characters have history books about Haohmaru, Kaede, etc? It really intrigues me.
@@gomamonthedigimon I think SamSho takes place around the 16th century, while The Last Blade takes place around the 19th century, so what you said, makes sense on history books in the SNK Universe
I think you were pretty harsh on it at the end. I wouldn't call it "nonsensical". There is sense within it, you probably don't like it. The KOF version of the FF and AoF cast-- you have already answered in another video; it's a "what-if" story, since the versions of them in KoF are like mirrored outcomes of their endings in the "original" timeline. Example: King isn't in AoF3 nor is she mentioned. The thing is she could have gotten the money she needed for her brother's surgery [her AoF2 ending], thus eliminating her need to fight. To further this in the Mark of the Wolves short, Terry stops by her bar and she treats street fighting as something in her past ["heh, still at it Terry?" or something along those lines] (or at least I remember it as her, been a while since I saw it). Anyway, she has a bar, thus her overall need to fight isn't there, unlike in KoF where she seemingly never gets the money, or never fully gets the surgery, even when she wins ['98] she is seen again ['99] needing money (even if it is another dream match as in UM). Even in the crossover with Capcom, she is solely there to get money for her brother. Yuri is there but doesn't participate in the fight. The only reason for this is that her dad was right, and it was a phase-- she had her fill and was tired of it. She was content to literally sit the fight out and watch. This is a stark contrast to the KoF of '97 (their team stage was inspired from AoF3), to where the reason she was on the team and not the Women's was to help out Robert-- she actively joins in the fight. The Yuri in KoF is a "what-if" it wasn't a phase and Yuri actually did make her own style of Kyokugen Karate. Which leads to Ryo and through him explains the entirety of the FF withing KoF, Ryo becomes Mr. Karate 2 much later in the years than in the "original". Unlike the other two his fate isn't that much changed, just his reasoning, or motivation. Different avenue to the same street. Terry still becomes the "Hungry Wolf of Legend" but the events that lead him there has just changed. We get a hard year of Terry meet with Geese of Real-Bout, but instead of Geese dying, what-if Geese used the scrolls and did destroy them, or just simply survived the fall since there is a connection with Orochi. And it is hinted that possibly when an Orochi member "dies" they have spirit bodies to chill within, so he could have been sporting that until KoF15. It never expounds on this but just gives us a "trust us bro, he's alive". The cameo of Rock could also be seen not as a hard year of Real-bout but as a cameo marker to say, "oh Real-bout happened offscreen", thus Rock adoption within KoF may have happened a lot later, or a lot earlier. Rock says it his self [Geese abandoned him and his mother], so chances are that in KoF Geese survived (or was resurrected whichever) and dipped or vanished before the events of Real-bout to attend to the Orochi stuff, and Terry came in and power-dunked Rock's mom-- thus resulting in him raising Rock. It's not as confusing as you are making it out to be, near all the cast (if not then a large portion) have this mirror what-if thing about them. And when it comes to age, I see it as them not being that age and more of "this is as they appear". Time still flows in KoF, but with SNK not giving their newer characters ages (or at least not being outright up front with it [remember how long it took for them to tell us the long leg lady that knew Kim's teacher age]) it can be seen as them saying "we aren't concern about age, so you shouldn't be neither". Athena can be 18 if you want her to be or she can be 47, it's up to you. Remember the difference between KoF and MK is that NRS do not like MK and is fill to the brim with woke morons. At least for now SNK still love KoF.
11:43 Well to be fair 2002 is not canon (I know you know this) but Rock also shows up as a kid in 2001. I wish SNK would retcon the 3 major story arcs to make them take place over a one-year span each instead of three and age eveyone accordingly so they would actually be able to show some character development at a slower but steady pace. I'm honestly tired of Andy and Mai being the only "official" couple and Yuri still being clumsy.
8:23 Ah King Lion (Kage Shishioh) One of my favorite characters "DYNAMITE!!" In the japanese manual of Kizuna Encounter (Fūun Super Tag Battle), it is revealed that King Lion was the one who defeated all the fighters who participated in the tournament during the events of Savage Reign, even Hayate. King Lion betrayed his boss (King Leo) and fought against him In the end Leo defeated Leon, but before finishing him off, Jyazu's gang took advantage of the situation and attacked Leo's castle, forcing Leo to escape. So looks like King Lion was the real main protagonist in Savage Reign, not Hayate. That is cool. Glad that King Lion (and Leo) appear in Neo Geo Battle Coliseum I would love to see him in KOF Maybe in a boss challenge mode
Aging in KOF is slow bro Take example Kula, K and Maxima. They are robot DNA lol Kof 94 until Kof 15, All of incident already passing by 2 years in storyline, As you can see, Kyo face still same, they just change Kyo clothes for every sagas
All this madness and KOF STILL has one of the only fighting game story modes that makes sense 😭🙏🏿
BlazBlue and Guilty Gear lore are actually very simple, people are just lazy to play it
@@MegafanX123 BlazBlue's lore being simple...😆
you mean make no sense
@@MegafanX123hell no they are not. Blazblue especially with its time travel bs.
@@MegafanX123BB's plot is incomprehensible garbage. GG used to be good before Xrd series. Before they started introducing Krang's Dimension X and the Matrix computers
Wow I never knew that Last Blade was in the same timeline as Art Of Fighting and Fatal Fury.
I never knew that either 🤔
It's because the Character named Zantetsu from "Last Blade" is the actual Ancestor of Eiji Kisaragi from "Art of Fighting,"
So yes, "Last Blade" is in the same Timeline and Universe as AOF and Fatal Fury.
@@joseurbina3835 Wow! It's almost like you watched the first part of the video and then said the same thing...
@@joseurbina3835 Last Blade is a game a play a lot from time to time. Years I have the memory to finish the game with all characters but really did not remember that ending until today. What a gem.
@@joseurbina3835 its also something to remind of that the sacred treasure the yagami clan possessing is shown in the last blade series
The reason I believe in they stopped aging in KOF 95 onwards because of Iori Yagami's background since the Yagami bloodline are cursed by Orochi in a change to a pact.
That's a valid reason too!
That's a reason for K.O.F Getting sucks you've getting older but still those charcters living in there 20s. Why SNK? Why K.O.F characters didn't getting older?
I believe the drawback of the flames of Orochi is that the wielder has a shortened lifespan.
@@ShoryuGame Want me to throw another Wrench in your TL?
SNK Heroines is canon to KOF Terry's ending References Real Bout's Ending with Geese falling to his death.
Then Terry seeing Rock Appear in his dreams killing him the same way Geese died.
(Side note until further notice we don't know how some of the other characters'ages progressed like the Kim twins we haven't seen them in a Main KOF game only 1 of them Cameo's as a Striker.
(Just wanted to add to that)
@@Boss-rm7wr
Bart simpson has been 10 since 1987/1989... characters don't age
Unless the plot demands it.
Fans: If KOF is an annual thing, then how do explain Athena being a teenager for 30 years?
SNK: Do you like KOF?
Fans: Well, yeah!
SNK: Then shut the hell up, and enjoy the game!
I'm with SNK on this one 😂
Pretty much!
About Geese and Rock the thing is Geese never cared about Rock's whereabouts. That's actually one reason why Rock hates him. Cuz in the process Geese has also neclected Maria Heinlein, Rock's mother. That would explain why Rock still grew up with Geese. Not to mention Geese might have not showed that he was still alive until he suddenly appeared in kof.
thing is: Geese is hinted in the The King of Fighters: Another Day anime to have photos of his wife and Son, but since he made too many enemies he tried to distance himself so that his enemies wouldn't know about them and use them agianst hi
@@DevilRaptorB Problem is he neglected them so much that Maria ended up suffering from a deadly disease and his son ended up growing up in the streets until Terry found him. So much for power.
The kid was basically homeless he didn't grow up with him at all. In KOF Rock mentioned his he abandoned him.
Him finding Terry was honestly a blessing.
The Last Blade games are underrated.
This was the best explanation of the SNK timelines I've ever seen. Great job as usual
Thank you so much!
47 and yuri still looks good
This kind of thing is fairly common with fictional characters. Even extremely mainstream TV shows like the Simpsons have characters that never age while still having certain episodes that explore what the characters would/will be like when/if they have aged.
I really dig the story progression in Fatal Fury and seeing characters visibly age and change. That happens to characters in KOF too to an extent, but I liked how it was done in AoF and FF where the characters reflected the passage of time, especially in MotW.
It felt much more prounounced when you saw new characters with connections to older characters on the same roster as an older Terry.
And we havent even talked about the 3 timelines of King of Fighters:
a) Vanilla KOF with Dream Matches
B) Howling Blood Timeline with 10 Sacred Treasures and no K'/NESTS
C) Maximum Impact Timeline
@@DontKnowDontCare6.9 He covered a just now and covered c before. All that left is b: Howling Blood timeline.
@@juanca2567We only got two games that are barely fleshed out... Did we have any game manual for the games?
@@Z_User-d5e Maximum Impact also only had 2 (canonical) games and he made a video on that.
@@juanca2567 Hmmm... Fair point...
"I still have nightmares about this jerk"... That's funny, and yes I can completely understand.
It's okay to have a reboot in a series once a story in a preexisting continuity is finished. However, constantly rebooting a series when a new continuity had just gotten started is a writing pitfall in of itself.
KOF's Timeline where Characters never Aged is kinda basically like Superhero Comic Books and The Simpsons, only the World Building has Changed where it involves advanced Technologies like iPhones, Laptops, HD Flat-Screen TVs and even Social Media,
So whenever KOF Advances it pretty much takes place in Modern Times to match everything that resembles our current Modern Culture (and I think you might get the Point already).
That's my reasoning for Street Fighter, the exact years don't matter, but the distance between games does in terms of character backstories or how old Mel probably looks:
SF
SFA (A year or so after 1)
SF2 (2 to 3 years after Alpha)
SF4 (1 or 2 years after 2, Mel is born)
SF5 (2 or 3 years after 4, Mel is probably 3 or 4)
SF3 (3 or 4 years after 5, Mel looks about 6 or 7)
SF6 (My guess is over 6 years since 3, Mel looks like he could be 11)
It’s a bit simpler than that.
Remember Yugioh?
So Pegasus makes this big ass arena that you slap your cards onto and you see the monster.
Kaiba fits that onto a neat little disc and it outdoes Pegasus’ arena with just a prototype.
Then he makes them cooler and everyone gets one if they compete in his tournament.
He even made a jet of his favorite monster.
Basically: Steve Jobs and Bell labs are slackers compared to the business and R&D gods of anime.
@@haydenfisher1387 Up until 4, 5 & 6 and except for the Alpha games, games take place the years they were released unless noted otherwise. Original game release dates are marked with [ ].
SF [1987] & Final Fight [1989]: 1987, FF1 was originally 1989, but retconned to be right before Alpha 2 with 2005's Capcom Classics Collection.
Alpha 2 [1996] & 3 [1998]: 1988-1989, Alpha 2 replaces the events of Alpha 1.
SFII [1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 2001, 2003, 2008, 2017]: 1992, originally 1991 like SFIIWW's original release year, but was retconned to be 1992 in 2005's SF The Eternal.
Final Fight 2 [1993]: 1993
SFIV [2008, 2010, 2011]
Final Fight 3 [1995]: 1995
SFV [2015]: Some events of V happened concurrently during SFIII: Second Impact.
SFIII: Second Impact [1997]: 1997, Second Impact replaces the events of New Generation.
SFIII: Third Strike [1999]: 1999
Final Fight: Streetwise [2006]: Capcom has decided that at least some of it is canon like Cody's brother Travis & his girlfriend.
SF6 [2023]: Mel isn't a good indication of time passed since he should be older pre-teen, Li-Fen is a better indicator since she's a child in two games (3s and SFV) and has grown to be a pre-teen by 6's world tour mode. My guess is 2008 probably.
Like with comicbooks- my advice is don't worry about it. It's like wondering why Maggie Simpson is still a baby.
Kof series are basically from after Terry defeat Geese and Krauser,later make team with Andy and Joe as Team Fatal Fury
Also Ryo adventure search little sister Yuri and saves King from Mr.Big
Pretty much like comic books where Spider-Man, Batman and Superman are forever in they're 20s to 30s even though the technology around them keeps changing
It seems that our love for KOF can break timelines
We always wondered why “floating” timelines exist, and never considered what would happen if that option never existed. This is why KOF will never age until something big warrants it, but it will be at least decades before that becomes an option. And let’s be real, understanding Despicable Me, The Simpsons, and KOF is less of a headache than understanding Star Wars, Archie Sonic comics, and Mortal Kombat.
You're not wrong (I never watched Star Wars).
@@ShoryuGame Me too, I just read the reviews and Wikipedia/Fandom articles along with the review videos. I was going to watch them until the premise of the final movie came out. That’s how bad it’s gotten if its selling point is nostalgia and rebooting (just like Mortal Kombat, how coincidental). Basically it was good until the sequel trilogy where a reboot is involved. I won’t spoil how (unless you want me to), and the finale got the worst reviews as a result.
Excellent video. It's good to see people talking about that, because KOF is part of another universe
Buriki One unfortunately doesn't belong to the Fatal Fury timeline because there's a discrepancy in Ryo's age. In 1999 Ryo from the FF timeline was supposed to be 42 years old, but in this game he is 10 years younger.
It's possible that Samurai Shodown Sen belongs to the Fatal Fury timeline as well, because it has a character that resembles Kim, kinda an ancestor, but SNK has to confirm it.
Golly! No esperaba verlo aqui señor Adriano Lopes!
Me gustan sus videos, gracias a usted me hizo entender que el KOF 2002 es semicanonico
Ojala haga un video analisis del KOF 2001
Le deseo lo mejor 👍
Saludos a los fans koferos de Brasil
Watching your videos always make me wonder why Snk never made an anime series of each game
The answer is simple it's a floating timeline, it's like the Simpsons and family guy. The characters never age, plus Art of Fighting and Fatal Fury takes place in a separate timeline from King of Fighters and don't forget that the Last Blade and Samurai shodown takes place centuries before Art of Fighting and Fatal Fury it's also believed that world Heroes and aggressors of dark Kombat may take place in the universe as well
I´ve always thought tat KOF timeline was on course until 2003. Kyo changing outfits twice, Athena getting older by her outfits (mid twenties). The new protagonists helped to mature the older ones, at least in story. But 13 onwards is a hot mess, there is the de-aging of almost all roster.
In story, between 95 and 96, Kyo was defeated by Goenitz, trained a year developing a new combat style and enlisted to 96 tournament. A year passes to 97 when New Faces and Yamazaki encounters Iori prior to that years KOF. All of 98 was silent as Kyo was kidnapped by Nests, and so
Athena still was presented as a high school student in various intros before switching to her actual fighting outfit, confirming she wasn't aging even if her shorter hair from 99 to 2001 made her look older, before she started just fighting in school uniforms. You also had child characters like Bao not aging. But, yeah, for parts of the main cast you could see some progression.
About KOF XIII
It is just the art style being different. No matter what the lore implies, it has to look different
The only other time the kof cast ages up is in kof 96 neo geo collection. Kyo says he's 20 while still rockin his High School uniform.
Yeah, it already says that in 95 as well.
@@sonikkyo oh damn really??
I of course knew about how AoF flowed into Fatal Fury, and how KoF is on a different timeline and all that. Yet, as soon as the video started, you were immediately hitting me with new information. I was setting off my own 'fake geek girl' alarm. A very informative video! I'm looking forward to seeing how the story moves ahead with City of the Wolves, too.
Crazy enough, Street Fighter 6 almost flips the script on this by having Terry Bogard and Mai Shiranui as DLC characters in a series that DOES have aging characters within a timeline. Street Fighter 6 actually takes place in the late 2000's and early 2010's.
you missed mentioning World Heroes (Hanzo and Fuuma), Fighters' History (Mizoguchi), KOF Maximum Impact, and even Agressors of Dark Kombat (Joe Kusanagi)
Pretty sure that Maximum Impact is in its own timeline separate from both the main KOF timeline and the AoF/FF one.
World Heroes and Aggressors of Dark Kombat were not made by SNK, these were made by Alpha Denshi/ADK but after they went bankrupt, SNK Playmore got all ADK's IPs making World Heroes and Aggressors of Dark Kombat being part of the SNK universe
So that means SNK has two characters called Hanzo Hattori, one from World Heroes and the other from Samurai Shodown 😁
About Joe Kusanagi, I read that during the development of Neo Geo Battle Coliseum, SNK Playmore thought about putting Joe Kusanagi in the roster but they changed their minds after thinking that putting him alongside Kyo would make fans asking many questions
Fighter's History is not owned by SNK
It was created by DATA EAST but after going bankrupt, G-Mode took the IP
Mizoguchi was a guest in KOF Maximum Impact Regulation A
I really wanted the characters to age, especially the female ones, and to think I waited for so long to finally get an aging Mai in COTW
The thing you neglected or forgotten was the fact even in FF Rock NEVER lived with his father. Rock mentioned how Geese left and he was alone with his mother. Who presumably announce to have died or gone missing. So Rock would look for his father.
Im pretty sure in KOF 15 rock even mentioned how he abandoned Him and his mother.
But that still doesn't answer why Geese isn't furious or at least never addresses the fact that his own son is living with his arch nemesis.
@@ShoryuGame yeah I wish we got more but as we can see he isn't mad or upset.
@@ShoryuGame I guess Geese just never cared about Rock or probably even forgot that he had a son
KOF series is about the Sacred Treasures and the OG timeline is about Geese Howard lineage.
Which KOF timeline?
There are three. Geese Howard appears at least once in all three KOF timelines.
@@DontKnowDontCare6.9Hey, at least he is dead in MI.
“And we all know how time travel stories end: Paradoxes and plot holes galore.”
*shows Trunks cutting Cell like a shish kebab*
If that isn’t the best way to show how time travel in fiction can be messy, I don’t know what is.
Excellent Video. I made a similar video talking about the SNK timeline. I'm glad SNK is in a better position now and I hope to continue seeing SNK succeed.
Kof players: why don't our characters aged much?
Tekken players: first time ?
The thing is while Tekken games have a long release gaps between games, in-game time is either a year or a few months. (With Tekken 3 being exception for quite long timeskip from Tekken 2).... Other than that, they either aged greatly and cryosleep situation with Anna and Nina.
Isn't Takuma the star of the SNK game Street Smart?
Isn't that before Art of Fighting?
Also, is Last Blade in the Samurai Showdown universe?
At least Kof and its OG timeline doesn't skip around like Street Fighter's. 😂
For the longest, SF didn't want to go beyond SF 3 timeline wise. But finally with SF 6 we can move forward.
The answer is very simple, it is the same reason why Ash Ketchum was 10 for 30 years; They want to tell stories, but making the characters age just add more work and nobody wants to bother
This is the video I never knew I needed lol. Great breakdown on the timelines for newbies Shoryu! Yeah, after decades of games and franchises, it's very difficult to keep things in line. I mean, you can see it even in SF were Ryu looks to have aged a lot and Guile and the others not so much. And they don't have multiple different game timelines they are trying to juggle, so I give SNK a pass on the age pause. Although, if they had kept with the year timeline, it would have been awesome to see these characters aged in their 40s now.
Thanks Shoryu!
Except Iori, he'd be dead.
My boy Jubei Yamada was born on July 7, 1922: Judo really keeps people young.
You could add Samurai Showdown on this timeline since Sho Hayate made a cameo as ancestor appearance on kyoshiro samsho v and vi ending
Really? Any links?
Samsho VI isn't canon, and I believe the dream match version of Samsho V isn't canon either, but I could be wrong.
@@ShoryuGame In luck, V Special isn't considered canon lol
if they had included kof as part of the main time line then kizuna encounter would have make a lot of sense. southtown was destroyed in kof 2000 , though they rebuilt it , they could just easily said that jazoo city was the original south town and the new south town was rebuilt in a different area.
You're onto something!
Ive been studying there ages forever still is making it make sense
SNK does have plans to merge the timelines in the future and KOFXV ending seems to be how they’ll do it
Not at all. Nothing ever hinted to that
On the contrary, it seems KOF games gonna be the "status quo" universe of SNK and Fatal Fury timeline will be a more lore based games
@@000mjd tbh KOF being a floating TL (if SNK wants it to be) isn't a problem since it has its own story and characters and events that don't exist in their other games.
Plus we haven't seen every character so aging up does exist. The real thing is "is it irrelevant right now"
Like Kim's kids. We only seen 1 of them in KOF 99 as a Striker. But then we see him when it matters he is still a kid. He have not seen the Kim twins at all physically appear so they are likely adults now like in Garou.
We have to wait and see
In Fu'un (Savage Reign/Kizuna Encounter), there's also Chung who met Terry as a kid, for some idea of how far it is in the future (considering he's an old fella)
Kim's ancestor also appeared in a Samurai Showdown game, and SS takes place before the Bakumatsu era, which means Last Blade is not the first, timeline wise
They never age because they're fictional characters, plus unlike other developers, SNK realize the value of brand consistency and don't want to give characters crappy redesigns if possible.
14:08 WOW using trunks for this is shady. He’s a beloved DBZ character.
so what? Trunks and the whole time travel plot in DBZ created a lot of dumb retcons and plots that made no sense.
When that Last Blade connection hit: "ohhhhhhhh!!!"
Love how SNK decided for KOF 11 to turn Terry older with his MotW design and then switch it back for future games
KoF just lets the devs ignore story consistency and time progression for the sake of being able to use any character from their franchises as they please.
Great video Shoryu! But wouldn't Samurai Shodown go before Last Blade as the 1st series in this timeline?
Remember Mai Shiranui faced off against Haomaru in Samurai Shodown?
That's why Mai and Haomaru have a special intro together in KOF XV
0:40 I thought Athena is 44 years old in KOF XV, since it came out in 2022 before White Day.
They must have some really good genes
It’s actually really interesting about levels, time travel matter Affect The King of Fighting level to stay younger days
Savage Reign/Kizuna Encounter is a series that takes place quite a few years after City Of The Wolves. Lol
Buriki One would make things even more confusing because Mr. Karate 2 is 2 years younger that henwould be in Fatal Fury 1...in 1999 lmao. This is why I'd want SNK to retcon Buriki One by making it take place in *1989,* making the timeline make a bit more sense.
I like more when they are not aging, I mean they are fictional character why would they aging? Yes they need character development, but character development and aging is two different thing, some character can be develop without aging like Iori, rival to reluctant hero during orochi saga or maybe Vegeta and Trunks relationship during Cell saga
Honestly NGL but i would like to see an older version of these characters man i had been experiencing Kyo's teenage angst for 20 years it's time to see him as an adult.
He wouldn't be that different from Saisyu.
Capcom & snk quit giving their characters birth years and
Art of fighting / fatal fury follow a different timeline from kof .
So yuri being 20 in kof 1994.... shes pretty old
Maximum Impact was a reboot since it was a retelling of the first KOF tournament [hence why Ryo was a guest in it]. And Ryo didn't look all that much older than Terry. So I guess we'll have to wait until COTW to see what's what.
I assume you're talking out Wild Ambition instead of Maximum Impact? (sorry if I'm wrong). Ryo is actually called Mr Karate in that game and he looks like in his early 30s at least. I'm not so sure about it's canon but I do think the new characters in that game are canon.
@@beethovenlivesupstairs4182yes. I meant to say Wild Ambition. I dont know why i said Maximum impact. Thanks.
Honestly I always assumed that the KOF timeline had each new game take place at least a year after the last one akin to 94 and 95 all the way to Tales of Ash Saga, with the year being based from the year the Game was released IRL, so from my own POV it’d be:
KOF 94: 1994
KOF 95: 1995
KOF 96: 1996
KOF 97: 1997
KOF 99: 1999 (KOF 98 was a Dream Match)
KOF 2000: 2000
KOF 2001: 2001
KOF XI: 2003 (KOF 2002 was a Dream Match)
KOF XII: 2004
KOF XIII: 2005
KOF XIV: 2006
KOF XV: 2007
And this is me being generous towards the timeline happening at the earliest convenience so by this point in time 13 years would have passed by in universe and Kyo’s generation would be in their early 30s, while Terry and Ryo’s generation are in their mid 30s, which could help explain why Rock is on his Garou self by the time of KOF XIV as those events would happen around this time.
Again this is me being generous instead of having XI happen in 2005, XII in 2009, XIII in 2010, XIV in 2016, and XV in 2022, which would both go against the in universe narrative given how the Tales of Ash Saga couldn’t be that far apart as well as place Kyo and CO in their 40s to 50s at best!
Does this work out for y’all?
we need more kof lore videos
Basically, KOF runs on comic book time, so don't try to make sense of it.
Is there there sliding timescale? Kof runs on cartoon no aging.
Now I finally understand the lore. Thanks for this video 😊
Glad I could help!
Wait... how is Yuri 19 in 1994 when she's a teenager in Art of Fighting? The first game takes place in 1978. She'd probably two years younger than Ryo, with this canonical birthyear is 1957. I know, different timelines with different games. Just make her birthyear of 1979 and Ryo's 1977. (Which makes no sense, but all right.)
If we want to make an excuse for all this timeline conflicts, we can say "ash tampered with the timeline in kof xiii so there is a paradox and complication in all snk universes (also causing antiaging and it effects the past, too) that hasn't been solved yet.
They say city of the wolves will be the last part of fatal fury saga. Maybe they use ash's time paradox to combine all universes together
But the characters stopped aging way before the Ash saga.
@@ShoryuGame I know that. As I said, we could say Ash's move completely broke the time space harmony. Even the past and they don't even realize that. It's a lame excuse I know but only this way I could make sense all of this antiaging philosophy of KOF characters😂 maybe one day day will fix this problem and kof characters will get age, too.
Well that explains why Terry Bogard HASN'T AGED!!!! in Street Fighter 6 HE LOOKS HELLA CRISP 👌🏽 While Ryu Aged like fine wine 🍷
Ill say including Last blade should have an asterix next to it. Since it hasn't ever been confirmed.
Hints are fine you can argue its potential connection. But nothing set in stone.
In Fatal Fury Mark of The Wolves art gallery, there is an image of Ryo, Roberr, and Yuri as older characters. And wouldn't Samurai Shodown have a connection given Genan's last name is Shiranui and his wife looking similar to Mai?
tbf i find kof characters never age strange and the timeliness a bit mixed up, but when you mention geese to be the blame for it and put it that way I guess it makes sense although i jae hoon and dong hwan would be older in kof since rock surprisingly shows up at around his 17 teenage look in xiv and came back again in kofxv which that does seem slightly confusing or idk but overall i was just glad rock was finally canon in kofxv while jen and gato there pretty much are on the same boat as there probably the same age especially Hotaru probably still 16 in her teenage as well while in ff she's now a young adult but still a teen like rock idk its still complicated. Regardless although i'll obviously see hotaru playable in cotw i still wanna see her playable in xv
Japanese women like Athena and Yuri can look youthful well into their 30s (just look at idols like Kyary Pamyu Pamyu and Ayumi Hamasaki). Athena clearly hasn't been in high school since at least 97, and Yuri has been hanging out in bars since at least 95, which necessarily makes her 21 which is the legal drinking age. Them being listed as 18/19 in the official bio is just tongue-in-cheek humor, as if they lied about their age upon registering for the tournament.
As for Kim's children in XIII, only Elizabeth's ending is canon. It could be an inconsistency, since the boys are supposed to be Rock's age, but we can dismiss any non canon ending from the series.
Geese never wanted to raise Rock to begin with. He couldn't care less who raised him.
Rock was adopted by Terry when he was 7 in FF, and in KoF he's first seen in 2001, not 2002.
Rock couldn't have been 7 in KoF 2001, since that would mean he was born in 94, which is impossible considering that by then the events of Fatal Fury 1-3 are mostly canon and precede the Orochi saga. That puts Rock's birth around late 80s, so he could've met Terry before the events of KoF 94.
2001 Rock is around the same height/build as Bao, and Bao is 12 in 99 which means he's 14 in 2001.
There's no indication of how much time has passed since the 2003 tournament, but if we accept that XI was supposed to have happened in 2004, then Rock already could've been around 17, considering that Terry could've adopted him anywhere between 1990-1996 in the KoF timeline.
There really isn't that much inconsistency if you consider that AoF 1 and FF1-3 can totally fit in 1990-93 of the KoF timeline, with the other sequels being replaced by the events of the Orochi saga.
Finally someone is addressing this
Just looking at the thumbnail besides going through the history of the games. Yuri's face just get younger and younger.
13:05 About Athena's look in KOF XIII (and the look of all the characters in that game) I remember someone said this:
"To me people are overcomplicating. It is just an art change. No matter what the lore implies, it has to look different"
And I totally agree with that
Thanks for the video Shoryugame
Thank you for being fair and saying the positive things about SNK not aging their characters in KOF, instead of just saying the negative ones
You have my respect 👍
I like to think the world of KOF is like Hyperbolic Timechamber from DragonBall Z, you stop aging as long you stay in the world of KOF
Shoryugame can you please do the kof, samurai shodown characters lore, the fatal fury and strider lore.
Even if I like some ideas, I actually disagree with this timeline and I wanna explain why :
Technically, because of Maximum Impact, we can deduce that KOF games before 2002 taked place in FF timeline cuz yeah, Maximum Impact is taking place in FF timeline since Geese is dead in MI 1 and 2. Which is logic because there can be multiple events in a same year so Geese in FF timeline could have create the Realbout tournament after Kof 96 and then dying.
For Kof 97, Geese could just be a fake one like the one from FF2 that Billy has been tracking down. This Fake Geese could be White since the next canon FF after that is Dominated Mind who introduces Alfred who reappear in RBFF2 who's now canon according to an interview.
For the Nests saga, there's litterally no mention of Geese in it or even Billy. So in Fatal Fury timeline, KOF Maximum Impact series is the Tales of Ash saga of the FF saga since everyone aged (like Rock who was 12 in 2001 and 15 in Maximum Impact 1 or Terry who's 34 in Maximum Impact 2 or even Ryo since he canonicaly participate as Mr Karate as it's revealed in is prologue in MI2 where Terry has his MOTW outfit).
And for the KOF timeline, Buriki One taked place since Ryo and Gai have an interaction in KOF XI. The only FF games that taked place in KOF timeline are the trilogy since Geese is not dead and Terry already know Blue Mary in 97.
Another thing that is not true that you mentionned in the really good Ikari Warriors video is that the og Ikari Warrior games didn't take place because of the non presence of Heidern in them which is not true since Heidern appear in the intro of the NES version of Ikari Warriors III which was developped by SNK themselves
But I really like the idea of Fu'un series taking place after Cotw
Maximum impact is definetly its own timeline, lol
Maximun Impact it's confirmed that it's a own separate timeline from Fatal Fury and the main KOF games, you can clearly see at firts sight since characters like Yuri and Ryo have the same age as KOF
Most people use to confuse that because the game take the post events of Real Bout, SouthTown and Geese death as base of the lore but it's it's own thing
@@000mjd I never saw this confirmed anywhere that Maximum Impact is in it's own timeline, everywhere I made my research it's never specified anywhere and Ryo and Yuri argument is kinda stupid cuz in Buriki One, Ryo don't have the same age and birth date than in AOF so this argument is really dumb ngl
@@GodyN64KOF MI is not part of the FF/AoF timeline. Its a new timeline that mixes lore from both FF/AoF timeline and KoF timeline. I think Falcoon has said it.
@@AntzemEmnza Idk where did you get that info cuz if it was true, EVERYONE would have talked about it since Falcoon was very involved with MI developpement. I never heard someone talking about this except Shoryugame so as long as I don't have any good evidence, I'll not believe you. I can be wrong for sure but prove it.
14:52 Well said
You forgot samurai showdown in the time line. There's a character who is a decedent to maii.
Each series is set in its own timeline.
I always have the theory than kof it's an event, like WWE. So, the characters never ages because they're portrayed by different "actors" as time passes....
These are fictional characters in a video game. Of course they don't age. Just like Mairo and Sonic don't age and The Simpsons characters, Bart, Lisa, Homer they don't age either.
Isn't there an ancestor of Mai Shiranui in couple of Samurai Shodown endings?
They don;t want to be street fightered basically, Capcom can't let go of the SF2 cast but they keep advancing the years to match the real life release years
Yuri is older than 47, shes originally from Art Of Fighting, which takes place in 1978
She is 47 in Fatal Fury City of the Wolves (2008).
@@ShoryuGameyes,Geese died in FF City Wolves,but still alive in KoF XV
@@ShoryuGameAOF/FF and KoF likes DW/SW and Warriors Orochi
Hope you'll have a good day
Thank you!
I always think The Last Blade and Samurai Shodown are from the same universe
Sometimes, i wonder if SamSho is like a history book for Last Blade and KOF characters.
We have history books about Tesla, Einstein, Chaplin, you name it.
I wonder if KOF characters have history books about Haohmaru, Kaede, etc?
It really intrigues me.
@@gomamonthedigimon I think SamSho takes place around the 16th century, while The Last Blade takes place around the 19th century, so what you said, makes sense on history books in the SNK Universe
Koff is another timeline where it also got changed later.
Yes, Ryu forever
Doesnt the great-great grandmother of Mai Shiranui appear in the ending of Samurai Shodown?
I think you were pretty harsh on it at the end. I wouldn't call it "nonsensical". There is sense within it, you probably don't like it. The KOF version of the FF and AoF cast-- you have already answered in another video; it's a "what-if" story, since the versions of them in KoF are like mirrored outcomes of their endings in the "original" timeline.
Example:
King isn't in AoF3 nor is she mentioned. The thing is she could have gotten the money she needed for her brother's surgery [her AoF2 ending], thus eliminating her need to fight. To further this in the Mark of the Wolves short, Terry stops by her bar and she treats street fighting as something in her past ["heh, still at it Terry?" or something along those lines] (or at least I remember it as her, been a while since I saw it). Anyway, she has a bar, thus her overall need to fight isn't there, unlike in KoF where she seemingly never gets the money, or never fully gets the surgery, even when she wins ['98] she is seen again ['99] needing money (even if it is another dream match as in UM). Even in the crossover with Capcom, she is solely there to get money for her brother.
Yuri is there but doesn't participate in the fight. The only reason for this is that her dad was right, and it was a phase-- she had her fill and was tired of it. She was content to literally sit the fight out and watch. This is a stark contrast to the KoF of '97 (their team stage was inspired from AoF3), to where the reason she was on the team and not the Women's was to help out Robert-- she actively joins in the fight. The Yuri in KoF is a "what-if" it wasn't a phase and Yuri actually did make her own style of Kyokugen Karate.
Which leads to Ryo and through him explains the entirety of the FF withing KoF, Ryo becomes Mr. Karate 2 much later in the years than in the "original". Unlike the other two his fate isn't that much changed, just his reasoning, or motivation. Different avenue to the same street. Terry still becomes the "Hungry Wolf of Legend" but the events that lead him there has just changed. We get a hard year of Terry meet with Geese of Real-Bout, but instead of Geese dying, what-if Geese used the scrolls and did destroy them, or just simply survived the fall since there is a connection with Orochi. And it is hinted that possibly when an Orochi member "dies" they have spirit bodies to chill within, so he could have been sporting that until KoF15. It never expounds on this but just gives us a "trust us bro, he's alive".
The cameo of Rock could also be seen not as a hard year of Real-bout but as a cameo marker to say, "oh Real-bout happened offscreen", thus Rock adoption within KoF may have happened a lot later, or a lot earlier. Rock says it his self [Geese abandoned him and his mother], so chances are that in KoF Geese survived (or was resurrected whichever) and dipped or vanished before the events of Real-bout to attend to the Orochi stuff, and Terry came in and power-dunked Rock's mom-- thus resulting in him raising Rock.
It's not as confusing as you are making it out to be, near all the cast (if not then a large portion) have this mirror what-if thing about them.
And when it comes to age, I see it as them not being that age and more of "this is as they appear". Time still flows in KoF, but with SNK not giving their newer characters ages (or at least not being outright up front with it [remember how long it took for them to tell us the long leg lady that knew Kim's teacher age]) it can be seen as them saying "we aren't concern about age, so you shouldn't be neither". Athena can be 18 if you want her to be or she can be 47, it's up to you.
Remember the difference between KoF and MK is that NRS do not like MK and is fill to the brim with woke morons. At least for now SNK still love KoF.
I never said I don't like it. I said I much prefer the KOF handling of timeline and characters ages over other fighting game tropes.
The day KOF ages is the day Kyo will finally finish highschool….XD
11:43 Well to be fair 2002 is not canon (I know you know this) but Rock also shows up as a kid in 2001.
I wish SNK would retcon the 3 major story arcs to make them take place over a one-year span each instead of three and age eveyone accordingly so they would actually be able to show some character development at a slower but steady pace. I'm honestly tired of Andy and Mai being the only "official" couple and Yuri still being clumsy.
8:23 Ah King Lion (Kage Shishioh)
One of my favorite characters
"DYNAMITE!!"
In the japanese manual of Kizuna Encounter (Fūun Super Tag Battle), it is revealed that King Lion was the one who defeated all the fighters who participated in the tournament during the events of Savage Reign, even Hayate.
King Lion betrayed his boss (King Leo) and fought against him
In the end Leo defeated Leon, but before finishing him off, Jyazu's gang took advantage of the situation and attacked Leo's castle, forcing Leo to escape.
So looks like King Lion was the real main protagonist in Savage Reign, not Hayate.
That is cool.
Glad that King Lion (and Leo) appear in Neo Geo Battle Coliseum
I would love to see him in KOF
Maybe in a boss challenge mode
One day SNK will be like they are all in purgatory so that's why they don't age lol
I was never able to beat King Leo...
So is Chin Li actually in her 50s? Or did we just assume?
So, the King of Fighters series are a paradox?
I'm the same age as Yuri. Wow I just learnt that I'm 20!!
Congrats!
Maximum impact is in the same timeline of fatal fury right?
MI own timeline
Yuri is an ENFP like me. We don't age!
Aging in KOF is slow bro
Take example Kula, K and Maxima. They are robot DNA lol
Kof 94 until Kof 15,
All of incident already passing by 2 years in storyline,
As you can see, Kyo face still same, they just change Kyo clothes for every sagas