FINALLY HEADPHONES FOR MUSICIANS
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- Опубліковано 9 лис 2023
- The Yamaha YH-WL500 are hailed to be the fastest Bluetooth Headphones you can get with only 4ms latency. Let's try them!
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from the manual: This product is a set of wireless headphones with a companion transmitter. The input jack of the transmitter can be connected to the headphone jack of a device (such as a digital keyboard, guitar amplifier, audio interface, etc.), enabling wireless connection of exceptionally low latency
Have them. They are awesome! Practicing is finally fun with headphones - thank you Yamaha!
don't forget it takes sound 5.33ms for sound to travel 6feet if you're using a real cab.. no one ever seems to complain about that. Of course if you're mic'ing it it's essentially zero latency.
Thank for this review. Does the semi-open back lead to much bleed-through when recording with microphones?
Question … When doing the sound test / comparison can you confirm if you used the Bluetooth connection or the wireless base station connection to the headphones… Great review …
Cool idea, I think it can be improved for the next version of these, because for the price range, you'd expect yamaha to do better with those "small, yet annoying details". They get bonus points from Noodle and X !!! 🤗
I preferred the Sennheiser HD25s out of the bunch. Sounded the most natural and clear. I could see myself using the Beats Pro as well, but mostly for casual listening.
Herr Ohren really helps to hear the difference between cans.
An MRI machine may have been in use in the hospital. They can cause some serious interference to raido and wireless communication. I hope Lesile is doing well. Sending healing vibes.
15:35 no highs no lows, no title needed we know they Bose 😂
Thumbs up for the straight up review. ✌
Yamaha is leading the pack of headphone latency performance. The low latency external charger / wireless transmitter uses a Yamaha proprietary "light weight" Bluetooth protocol that has lower latency. I infer this because I am an engineer who designs Bluetooth audio products for a living. I have great respect for this innovation. I am also a guitar payer and musician. I want one!
Thanks for the info!
Hi, das eigentliche Übertragungssignal wird nicht über Bluetooth, sondern über ein proprietäres Protokoll übertragen. Daher die Geschwindigkeit. Das kann im Video nicht wirklich raus.
Bluetooth wird nur optional mit zugemischt z.B. mit der Quelle vom Smartphone.
VG
This is a great innovation, but also feels weird to me that we've had wireless systems for instruments for a long time and they work great. Why can't/don't they just use that same old technology for wireless headphones? Also curious how these compare to those other "fast wireless musician headphones" by AIAIAI. The Wireless+ or whatever they're called.
Headphones are interesting, but that teaser of the new REVV Dynamis D40 on the background makes me think only about when we will see that video😊
i have a high piched low volume noise even when using only bluetooth. I wonder is that or what are those artefacts you are describing ? how do you recognice if the units is final or not ?
Damn like the wider clarity of yamaha than those headphones I honestly agree with you I would prefer to have this on recording as my headphones
Thank you for this. Does the semi-open back result in microphone bleed?
I didn’t notice any
Do you think that Yamaha would do anything about the usb cables length and Line In. I don't think so.......
You said that modellers + headphone latency could amount to too much latency but it would have been nice to know if it actually did equal too much. Did you try the headphone out of your Helix floor for example? And any other modeller you may have to hand? If so, does it depend on the patch? Do more intensive patches introduce more latency? Something I've not really considered to date.
I tried it with an amp and OX, which has 3 ms by itself. I am sure you‘d be fine with the Helix.
@@EytschPi42 good to know - thank you
I see lots of guitars on the wall and I hear you speak about latency with modelers. What I didn’t see, however, is the most important thing: you plugging in a guitar into any modeler (preferably a few) and say, “Wow, that’s good.” Or “Yeah, no, that’s unacceptable.”
Do that first and, then, continue with 15 plus minutes of features and stories.
Note: Yamaha advertises those headphones connected to their modeler / practice amp plus a wireless guitar system (from Line 6). They claim no noticeable latency with guitar wireless + modeler + wireless headphones. Why didn’t you review what Yamaha claims-specifically with their promoted package?
Sennheiser RS120 is a good cheaper option. Being HF, it has no latency. To anyone who'd be interested.
Like Ozzy at the AA rooms. Thanks for Sharin! 💚🤘
What is the point of connecting multiple to one receiver?
As a guitar player who plays through headphones into a Quad Cortex at home, I'd reeeaaaaally really really love to try these. But they're not cheap. I'm thinking about it. Can you hear me think?? :P
So you have a Cortex but headphones for 350 bucks are too much? Hmmmmmmm...
@@ickebins6948 correct.
I use my gaming headphones for recording and it works well with anything that's hooked up to my PC.
super demo
Question - Can you plug the transmitter into the back of your PC via USB rather than the plug adapter if you want?
Not sure
@@EytschPi42 The answer is yes. Yes you can plug it into a USB on your PC. Though on mine I had to use the front USB port because the back ones had a lot of noise. Sounded like someone vacuuming. But at least it's on top of my PC in easy reach and not on the floor under the desk.
08:34 the machine that goes bing - hilarious I watched it 5 times. Where is this from????
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YIKES! my Neumann NDH-30 cans never sounded so bad :) - no matter which you used....
Och,geht doch der Sound. Die anderen Kopfi's klingen auch nicht unbedingt besser.
Und zum Einspielen oder zum Üben wird's schon reichen.....
Ich hab mir das Teil bestellt und mach mir mein eigenes Bild 🙂
Danke für das aufschlussreiche Video 👍
They leased that machine back from the company they sold it to. That way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
Also, people aren’t wearing enough hats.
Yes indeed. I like to see people wearing two hats when I am out and about. Sometimes three hats...
I wish Shure made over the ear analog monitors
Better just take a lekato iem transmitter and receiver with any wired headphones you have.
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How is the build quality is it all plastic?
Henning ive waited MONTHS for a proper critical review of those headphones. What I simply needed to know is, if I used those headphones with a modelling unit that has bluetooth, is the latency a deal breaker or perfect for the job. Sadly your video didnt answer this.
It did!
I clearly said the speed is only achieved by using the charging base and NOT with the Bluetooth in your device. So no, it wouldn’t work with your modeler that has Bluetooth, you‘d have to connect that to the charging station gonget the speed.
Then sadly that set of headphones is of no use to what an awful lot of prospective purchasers would be buying it for. They can send a man to the moon, but in 2023 we cant get a modeller to work with bluetooth headphones at
Oh it seems the only way I am going to have the perfect practice / jamming with backing tracks, headphones and no annoying cables is going to have to be done with the waza air, you certainly seemed to like it Henning and you didn't raise any latency concerns.
@heavymetal6910 Could you use this setup? Backing tracks on PC/Mac, then USB (or Bluetooth) to a wireless THR model and use a G10II. I've got that setup. If I get these headphones (with the base station connected to the headphone out on the THR) then the whole setup is wireless, convenient and with low latency.
Bluetooth latency is bloody hopeless. We're 5.3 revisions in and they 'STILL' havn't managed to crack it.
yap, but this one works great!
@@EytschPi42 🙄 I'll take your word for it, but maybe a second opinion from Glen would help. 🙄😁
I have no information, but I think it's not a "real Bluetooth headphone" just uses parts of the standard between the receiver and transmitter. But because it based on Bluetooth, it also can connect to standard Bluetooth devices.
5.3 compatible devices (that means sending and receiving) are down to 4ms and below...
Bluetooth audio latency can vary significantly based on the codec used (and several other things).
I have a different thought on the USB cable. Companies should stop providing crappy usb cables. They just end up in the garbage. It is wasteful. They need to label the box clearly with what cables you will need to operate it and let you verify if you have one already the right format and length or you can buy your own at point of sale. Fewer cables will end up at the land fill that way.
I wish I could find wireless headphones that work with my guitar. Plug something into my guitar and I can listen and I can rock away/
Boss Katana Headphones work well
13:37 LMAO!!!
16:07 I'm listening to the Hi-X 65 headphones through my Hi-X 65 headphones, and it sounds nothing like my Hi-X 65 headphones. TOTAL MINDFUCK!
yeah, obviously... it was only relevant to hear how the sound changes between them... so you can hear one has more mids, less bass etc, but it wouldn't tell you WHAT they sound like on your ears.
@@EytschPi42Don’t get me wrong, I thought it was a great idea, but despite your detailed beforehand disclaimer, I just had this giant kind of ‘Inception’ moment when the realisation set in that I was listening to my headphones on my headphones. It’s still a mind fornication to me
The headphones tried to kill Leslie, and Leslie tried to kill you with a Surprise Noodle!
She did
I've a feeling they're cheating, using a hybrid Bluetooth / WIFI mix - hence the transmitter. Not tech people normally get confused and assume all 'wireless' devices are Bluetooth. They aren't. Example: Some of my customers accidentally bought BT keyboards / mice for an older PC that didn't support BT, so they couldn't use the keyboard and had to return it. Why? Because they didn't understand about normal 2.4GHz wireless non-Bluetooth, as used by those little mouse/KB dongles we all use. Wifi-style transmission is virtually lag-free and I can't see any other way this can be achieved as the BT standard just doesn't support this. But hey, those clever folk at Yamaha HQ - who knows!
Cmon guys. I have great headphones. Dont force me. Just the transmitter receiver please. A simple Stereo line transmitter. 69€ would be nice. Harley benton? Anybody? Been doing it with my rode wireless go.
The only ones that sounded worst were the Beats. Way to tinny. And for that price, I would want a fitted case, not a cardboard box, to carry all the pieces around 👎
this product isn’t ready for serious consideration. I would love to have low latency wireless headphones for the studio.
You could go with the AIAIAI TMA-2 STUDIO headphones then. They're not bluetooth and supposed to be pretty good.
Edit: forget what I said. I checked and they have a latency of 16 ms which is not supporting their claim of "ultra-low latency", lol.
They sound tinny to me. They may of sacrificed bandwidth for speed.
Using in the thumbnail a mockup of the hyped but underperforming 2015 McLaren Honda (the actual car was different) is not the best way to promote them 😅
as if I had ANY idea what car I was using!
AIAIAI TMA-2 Studio Wireless+ are ten times better than these, brother. Constant drop-outs, sound that is literally like grocery store earbuds, etc. - these had to go back. The AIAIAIs are not perfect, but far, far better than the Yamahas.
It’s 4ms….
Hm, I didn’t like any of your headphones, sorry. Since I bought the Beyerdynamic DT 1990, I noticed how all the other hp sucked.personally I don’t mind the cable
I do not know who will purchase this headphones, for sure not me. Bluetooth=no cable. no cable= loss of quality. Why somebody use that in a live show for example? You will swet a lot. Why bother with cables at home or in rehearsal? I do not get. I see the convinience and the freedom, but imo, better buy would be a Senn HD 600, cheap and for sure better, last long too for sure. For that price you can get a lot of things even better that will help you has a musician more than bluetooth.
I think you are right of course that for the money you can get better sounding headphones, such as the HD600. These are for people who want to practice playing an instrument quietly (say electric guitar) and value being able to do so untethered and without the usual latency issues. The trade off is lower sound quality than wired competitors. Personally I can't stand wires and cables so they certainly appeal to me.
Those aren't the fastest headphones on the market. Wired headphones will always be faster.
Well aren’t you a smartass? Sure… you‘re right… but I think you know what I meant!
imagine thinking you could hear latency that you brain has no ability to comprehend. your brain cant even register pain of you being violently killed because it takes almost 100ms for the signals to travel to your brain . but sure you can tell the difference with these headphone compared to other Bluetooth headphones
Oh yes you can… normal Bluetooth has almost a second latency.
You can feel latency when playing above 11ms… test it out.
@EytschPi42 lol sure you can
We‘ve done tests and others have done tests. This is pretty common knowledge.
@EytschPi42 you think they have a latency of up to 1 sec , and claim to have done test 🙄 and no, common knowledge says otherwise 😉 one quick search would give you actual times
@@EytschPi42 maybe stop buying headsets off Wish