Vertical boiled Belgian steam locomotive - the strangest steam engine? - Lawrie Goes Loco Episode 6.
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Hello everyone,
Today we make a welcome return to the Mid Suffolk Light Railway, for a look at a steam locomotive - though its probably not as you know it!
A video featuring:
Lawrie - Presenter and sudden fan of the Belgians.
Geffers - Cameraman unaware of how he's ended up back at the MSLR.
If you like what you've seen and want more information on the Mid-Suffolk Light Railway - or you're interested in joining the railway, have a look at their website.
www.mslr.org.uk/
Note: For the sequence when Lawrie is speaking to the camera, there are no members of the public on board the train.
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Did you notice, there are one or two bullet holes in it, from the war no doubt ?!😆
We'll go with that explanation anyway 😂
Wow, that's quite a history! Especially for a multiple unit, but I guess it still worked...
where is the bullet holes?
I'm beginning to think the control setup is what inspired the control console on the TARDIS.
Hahahaha! I totally can see it!
If The Doctor worked in the NWR lol
Are you sure that's actually a whistle and not just a spare blowoff valve? 😆
It can't really count as a whistle can it 😂
@@lmm more like a hisstle
I think you are right! 🤣
As tiny as that locomotive is, the stack-talk is awesome.
It sounds amazing!
I would enjoy seeing a bit of the video showing how to fire it. Thanks for the video!!
We may look at firing in a future video.
It's a pain on that one 😂
I always enjoyed turns on this loco.
But one Christmas special on it will always be the coldest I have ever been on a footplate. Spent the layovers at Dovebrook with both of us sat on the edge of the firing pit with the door open! Still - does raise steam from stone cold in an hour.
It was so unpleasant in winter - and it had the board added to try and keep some wind out... Good Times 😂
1 hour is ludicrously fast, whats operating pressure? Is it this fast because its vertical? Ive zero experience lighting up a vertical boiler.
visited the railway last year while on holiday a great little railway
Thanks, it's got a super vibe to it!
That whistle doesn't have a single note to it's name. The locomotive though is definitely unique in its own way.
love these engines !! I had the chance to fire one of her sisters Yvonne when she was at the battle field line ..ive non her since I was 5 !! very pleasant to work fire and drive gawjuss engines
How did she steam? This one will steam like a witch, then suddenly die and require a good rake through of the fire.
I do love a day on it, it's a fantastic Loco.
steamd very very well almost to well..had proper injector and safty valve cover ..used to shit the living daylight out of me when it went off hehe ....just ashame shes now repainted in to a nasty looking green instead of the dark green with red lineing indian red fraims and wheels that she used to be in ..
At the NYMR the engine shed manager nicknamed ‘PIGLET' owns one of these locomotives , it is painted up in green too
Yeah, he's done a lovely job with Lucie
Lovely little pufferbelly. All she needs is a proper whistle, don’t you think? Thanks for showing us around!
It's crying out for a proper whistle. Glad you enjoyed it!
this little thing roars like a shay. honestly, with those tiny wheels, it's a bit similar in function.
It's a great little thing - different purposes though, the shay's were built to haul heavy loads some distance at low speeds.
This thing is designed to bang a wagon or two around a yard.
different purposes, but similar in that they are maximized for tractive effort rather than speed or power.
Oh certainly!
Do the Y7 next please!
It's on the list!
Hmmm. As far as I can see, the only way to make this thing run is to connect some hoses to an oil tanker and drive the two as a pair.
Why would I need oil?
i know i will get butchered but you could say it's a bit of a tram but still it's mostly a vertical boiler engine
Am i correct in saying that that silencer is a car exhaust 😂
Do you think the regulator has a lot of control because there is basically no linkage. You seem a bit split on this one complaining but praising it a lot. The only experience I have with this concept is the Donkey engine we have at the pier. Also vertical boiler. The whistle installed was too loud so we found a quieter one. I should ask them if they can spare the loud one!
It can be bad, but also rather enjoyable!
Why not do a tour of the mid sufk rallway
Can you do a video on the bagnall at mslr?
Maybe at some point!
Hi Lawrie could you please do a video on NO 2565 please
Thanks josh
I'll try and make it happen in the next year.
You say its very difficult to fire but don't actually demonstrate why.
It's because the firehole door is so low to the ground, and it's not designed to have an ashpan, so if the fire is too thick and not enough primary air is getting through it just stops making steam.
Have you thought about getting a wireless mic ?
We had one but lately it's given us nothing but trouble.
Preserving the metal work..... I'll have to remember that one next time we overfill the final drive gearbox on our DMU....
Also, utter sympathy for the crawling along the sleepers mate. It's never fun, especially when you're expected to manoeuvre an oil bottle with your arm twisted 180 degrees behind where it normally goes...
Out of curiosity, is there much need for the blower on a vertical boiler loco? Also, if you can source a Stanier whistle for it, it would sound immense!
That's always been my go to line 😂
The fact I have to crawl along the ground is made worse by the fact there is a pit. It's almost mocking me.
The Y7 is borderline impossible without the pit.
Worst thing I've ever oiled up was 5619. There is no room to do anything under that.
The blower appears to do nothing - it may just about stop blowback, but basically just makes a racket!
Oh a Stanier hooter would me amazing - or a five chime!
A simple pump on the bottle solves that issue. Any auto parts store has them, they screw right into the normal liter bottle.
You've still got to be able to get to and find the pots and divots.
It does certainly help though.
No ash pan in a gas woks is an explosion combination 😄
You'd have thought wouldn't you. I could be wrong of course. But certainly they didn't have ashpans
@@lmm Boggles the mind, wouldn't the coals set fire to the sleepers?
Again, you'd think so. I have no idea how it worked 😂
I don't know anything about locomotives, but I do know that this channel is finest quality entertainment!
Now you know a bit more! Glad you enjoyed it!
@@lmm, I don't know of anyone who has such a diverse collection of vehicles. That is entertaining in itself!
It's becoming quite a unique collection. With more to come!
@@lmm, no doubt your collection will swell in the run up to your challenge in September!
Oh certainly!
Lawrie that's a interesting looking engine never seen one like that lol 👍
Vertical boilered locos aren't common, and there are only 5 in the country. Out of hundreds upon hundreds built.
30 minutes of sheer joy while ironing a months worth of shirts 😁. Nice little loco if a bit weird. When you said the pit road was occupied but you had to go under to lube the axleboxes I half expected you to reappear with a trolley jack and a pair of axle stands!
As for the injector pump only working when in motion I read somewhere that the solution adopted by the crews of one early railway company (possibly very early GWR in broad gauge days) was to run the engine up to the buffer stops at the end of an empty siding, liberally grease the rails, put it into full foward gear, open the regulator and just leave it running, wheels spinning on the oily rails until the boiler was full. Not sure the MSR management or the PW department would appreciate that though 😁.
It does look right on the MSR. Just the kind of thing Colonel Stephens would have purchased for one of his light railways.
Thanks so much for this series Lawrie. This channel is paradise for a steam and car enthusiast. Please keep on doing these as well as the car stuff. All the best mate. Rob.
Glad to have helped pass the time!
It's a really super little Loco. Sounds super under power working up the bank, and you feel like you're doing a million miles an hour. It is very very strange, and has caught people out.
Hahaha, that would have been quite entertaining! I'll suggest that to the railway 😂.
That sounds a bonkers way to fill a boiler.
I think the last thing we want at the mslr would be greased up wheels as we descend the bank - it's slippery enough in the wrong weather anyway!
The railway won an Interpretation Award a few years ago for being so faithful to the original MSLR and the lovely atmosphere the place has - its more Colonel Stephen's than a Colonel Stephen's railway!
Thank you! It's really nice of you to say so - we're just glad you guys are enjoying the content! And have no fear, there is loads of stuff lined up in both the car and train departments!
Firemans pit well just remember you ain’t going nowhere with out the good’ol fireman it’s a noble deed to do 😁
my mates got the one at the lavender line, cracking things!
so thats means this isnt the only working one in the uk im afraid!
Yeah, I didn't realise it was in ticket at time of shooting I'm afraid - whoops!
Very good of you to help preserve the metalwork in each of those areas on the Belgian locomotive. Very thoughtful for the future life of that delightful steamer.
I don’t understand how he says it is wonderful to drive then proceeds to criticise various controls.
The experience is amazing, it sounds amazing, the regulator is great, it's all just in stupid places 😂
Things don't have to be perfect for a wonderful sensation.
Isn't it technically a coffee pot engine with a cab???
Sure it is not a tram engine ... but with just one coach ... it totally reminds me of the first episode of Tobi in Thomas the tank engine : )
Oh yeah, we call it the tram, even though its not. It's very cute. I've got a pic of it trundling up the line with one wagon and brake van. Looks super.
You condemned injectors as "the work of the devil". You should look at those on a Borrows Well Tank industrial locomotive. They were made to the original Giffard Patent and were known for being even more awkward. Maybe the Cockerill has a very old design of injectors and not improved?
If I was able to have a go on one, I certainly would.
I think these are just original and worn out really.
🇧🇪 this is no weird, just different 😂
It's very different 😂
20:44 Year old video now, but when will see see that little LNER 0-6-0 in a Lawrie goes Loco?
I’m happy to hear you call it a locomotive, most people in Britain call these tram engines as you said. In Maldegem we have a cockerill type 5 that will soon be restored. I’ll ask my dad if he has more information. Many of these engines left Belgium in the 80s, back then he was also involved with the restoration of a type 4 over here, so he might know something about this one
They're super little things - they make a stunning noise too.
I'd be glad to find out more of the information on this one!
@@lmm i found this on a dutch website .industriespoor.nl it is in dutch and the website itself is not very handy to work with but i hope it helps a little bit www.industriespoor.nl/tekeningCockerillTypeIV.htm
Bayer Peacock exported similar Tram engines to Australia Crich Tramway museum has one. Steam engine on rails whats the difference?
looks a lot like the homade locomotives that some of the american logging railroads would cobble togeather but more refined.
This was quite a popular design of shunting Loco. The coffee pot boiler does bare a resemblance to some earlier American stuff
For some reason, I've gotten extremely interested in locomotives that are unconventional or experimental. This definitely fits the bill for the former.
It's a really strange little engine. Really good fun though! we've some more strange locomotives lined up too!
Thing sounds like a really big Loco with the sound it makes. Yet it's tiny, probably moves just as much a the Ruston, if not less.
It'll shift more than mine will! Sounds brilliant too, really enjoy a day on it.
Lawrie, how do you spell the name of that locomotive that was occupying the inspection pit. She's jolly different as I have never seen a steam loco running with an external flywheel. Also, it would be interesting, if you ever travelled to Gloucestershire, if you payed a visit to the leas Bailey light railway and their compressed air locomotives. I am loving all your content, keep up the great work!
I didn't even know that was a railway! I'll drop them a line!
That was Sirapite she's an Aveling and Porter.
A very interesting, mysterious little locomotive. I love this channel a lot as a heritage volunteer myself, I love the in depth explanations of the engines you look at and the way you show the actual operation. And I totally agree on locos and stock that aren't "Supposed" to run together, sometimes they just look right somehow. Keep up the good work!
Edit: SIRAPITE- YOU GUYS HAD THE TRACTION ENGINE THING OVER- Tiny industrial stuff is so much fun. The cab area on that reminded me of a "homemade" electric loco I've been in a number of times where the floor inexplicably drops down about a foot immediately after the door.
Yes pretty unique,never seen a vertical boilered loco myself, reminds me of a particular Sentinel loco, one ran on a sort of private tramway here in Australia many many moons ago, a mock up of it sits in the town it ran as unfortunately the original (well most of it, some bits may actually be around still, the frame and wheels maybe) was scrapped. Here's a snippit and a link if you're curios.
"The Kerang & Koondrook Tramway was built in 1889 to connect the Murray River port of Koondrook with the Victorian Railways line to Melbourne via a junction at Kerang, 22 km away. A 4wVBT (4-wheel vertical boiler tank) locomotive from the Sentinel Waggon Works, Shropshire (possibly b/n 5766) was imported in 1929 to work the line and shunt the Murray River wharf sidings."
www.australiansteam.com/Koondrook.htm
@@dunxy Very interesting to see a Sentinel that far afield, I guess something light like that would be very effective on a light tramway line. Cool to see they made a replica of it!
@@RockyRailroadProductions_B0SS Thank you very much, I'm glad you're enjoying the videos. Yes indeed, sometimes totally wrong things work very well together. The cab on the Cockeril is mad. Driver up high, Fireman in the pit. It's just super fun.
We will feature Sirapite at some point, I'm just not quite sure when. It is utterly bonkers.
@@dunxy Vertical boiled locos are weird things. Very useful in industry as they'll steam quick.
@@lmm Your videos are excellent, very immersive and personal.
It almost seems like the Cockeril's boiler was designed for something like a crane and they somehow designed a locomotive around that, makes for a way more interesting machine though!
Ooh, excellent! I'm very curious about Sirapite since it has such a thin little cab and some steam roller-esque design features.
This locomotive was manufactured by the company SFCM (Societé Francaise de Constructions Mécaniques formerly Cail) from 1906. They got the nickname "inkwell" because this lokomotive has a standing boiler .It was mainly intended for the industry, maybe I see now the same locomotive in the video, than i see here in my book. Maybe this locomotive worked for the Petrol company "Kuhlmann"!
Oh really - that's interesting to know, thanks for sharing the history!
@@lmm Also the SFCM produced the atlantic locomotives series 221 for the french state railroad (SNCF), also a part comes from the locomotive producer SACM arround 1900-1905.
That's quite a different thing 😂
This reminds me of Piglets loco on the North Yorkshire Moors railway
however.. the one in the video did not visit shackerstone !! your mixing up with Yvonne that's now at the lavender line I believe ..this one I think was at statfold in peaces ..there is another at tyseley in peaces ..there's a 4th at nene valley done up as toby..there's a fifth at north York mores and the 6th was last seen at mid northolk railway ..all but the one at nene valley has ran in preservation
The information on them seems quite confusing, 2525 is the one that was at Mid Norfolk, I really did struggle researching this, lots of conflicting info.
If I'm correct I think there is,
Ours at MSLR,
One on lavender line, also on service
One at NYMR almost in service, formally Middleton railway,
One at NVR on a long term conversion to a 'Toby'
And maybe one more in bits.
the person to ask about them all is martin ashworth ! I belive he said he was involved bringing them over with ben (former owner of Yvonne ) ..personly the best advise I can give you is to look at Yvonne to get 2525 working right and looking right as she was perfect in my opinion ..the sound she made after pulling sir gomer and a 20ton brake van was almost like an 8f bark wise didn't wind her self or nothink
Your Belgian colleagues from the museum railway (Dendermonde - Puurs) have 2 similar locomotives. Sure they can tell you more about them.
I'll have to investigate
have you tried asking the industrial railway society about its history?
I haven't - lots of the history in the comments though.
great video always wanted to know more about these odd but cute locos. never knew they weren't really trams. interesting to hear about all the weird controls and things, like the overflow to the injector in the cab sounds like a death trap. as for forward and backwards i'd say its like a dmu or a br diesel both ways are forwards. the boiler swapping was very common for most loco classes as it was easier to put a new or spare boiler on a loco then fix the boiler off that ready for the next loco of that class or with the same boiler design, thats one way they spead up overhauls back in the day.
They're really nice little engines - so suited to being at the MSLR.
We call it the Tram, even though its not.
The injector is treated with the upmost respect - its evil!
I'll use that on the next driver experience.
This way is forward.
This way is also forward. 😂
Yeah, when they had the A4 great gathering the had way more than 6 a4's represented by all the bits!
@@lmm
-so that's 6 a4s in preservation and their all original
-yes (hides 2 a4s worth of rusty parts)
I can't remember how many where actually represented 😂
At least two have swapped boilers, Bittern has number 10000's tender, some have changed wheelsets.
It was a very interesting article.
Though the Atlantic being built at the bluebell railway has the original regulator handle, so technically its a rebuild not a new build, so maybe we can have some more a4's back?
@@lmm oh yeah the ffestiog has lots of 'rebuilds'
Yeah, having a nameplate in common with the original 😂
I guess Siraphite can't be moved when it's raining?
It can, the owners just didn't want it to be left outside
that whistle really is awful XD Its barely a whistle, its more of a pipe that some steam comes out of.
I hardly think it counts as a whistle anymore 😂
I can only imagine that Hercule Poirot, he of the little grey cells, was not called in to bring his vast, rational intellect to bear on the design of this little engine.
It's a strange thing isn't it
Does the Y7 work still work because I would love to see it reviewed. At friend is building a 7 1/4 gauge model of the type 4.
Currently under overhaul
Oh ive seen a narrow gauge version of this locomotive at a heritage railway. I beleive it was called a brunnel, identical cylinder layout but kerosene fired.
Oh really, I've heard of a company that sells live steam with that name, but not a type of narrow guage engine.
They have one on the Lavender Line in E. Sussex, i've got to say - I kinda like it!
They're really good little things!
I think the designer just said screw you, I promise it will work! 😅
It's certainly very strange
wow I literally sneeze louder than this whistle, shove some coal dust up my nose and away you go!
It's rubbish isn't it
“injectors are the work of the devil” truer words have not been spoken. i hate trying to get the monitor injectors on the locos i fire working, bastard things. open the clack, open the isolators for the steam from the turret, and water from the tank, then fiddle with the water trim and steam trim AND the primer. Then if your lucky it’ll grant you the sound of water feeding
Sounds about right 😂
Yours sound terrible 😂
@@lmm yes they are no ideal, lord have mercy on the fireman of the past that didn't have a browns injector on the firemans side like we do now
Absolutely the best description of steam injector operation EVER. Well done sir!
It's a hideous thing 😂
Nothing like he feeling of watching the water in the glass get lower and lower, while you try and figure out which of the steam gods you have offended. LOL
@@lmm
How did it get captured by the Germans 2 times
It was in the wrong place (Belgium) at the wrong time (World War 1 and 2)
2525 was sold new in 1907 to the valentin cocq vieille montagne, a zinc mine in Belgium. This is the same company that my loco 1625 also worked for after it finished working as a tram in Brussels city.
Regards Piglet
Thanks Piglet, your one is looking absolutely superb. I'm rather envious.
What have you done with your ashpan arrangement?
Be intrested to see it and how well it works.
Brilliant locomotive love it 🚂 ❤
Genuine LOL at Injectors comment!!! SO TRUE
I remember the whitewater valley railroad's old "pit" was a coffin sized hole between the sleepers. Today they have a 2 stall shed and a breakdown crane from roots Blower company.
Weird cause it a continental locomotive. Looks just like that one Piglet has @ NYMR railway up in Yorkshire. But at least it's steam, it chuffs, has a whistle & most importantly burns coal! that's all that really matters at the end of the day.
It's very strange.
Yes she's the same class as Lucie!
@@lmm so are you ever gonna do a video on large steam like getting with a Black 5, Lizzie, Sutherland, or S&D 7f crew or something? You seem to be locked into Industrial and narrow gauge only
I hope so. It's about getting big enough for the big boys to notice us!
Piglet has one of these on the NYMR
Those things were part of tramways and short distance commuting railways, here is a similar one by OEG in Germany:
fs2.directupload.net/images/150313/9ttgtik2.jpg
Most were nicknamed "fiery Elias"
Er.. is this a missing out take from a Carry On film?
Carry on steaming?
Where do you get your footplate uniform from ??
I get everything from footplateequipment.co.uk
info belgium steam center maldegem de have wan
They have the type 5 there, this is a type 4
That engine kinda looks like a steam tram
it is a steam tram.
Is it even safe to have a whistle that doesn't ring out properly? Hope it gets sorted, cute loco :)
The Middleton Rly in Leeds got one of the five Cockerill locomotives. It worked there, but has probably been moved away or sold.
It's now at the North Yorkshire Moors Railway. Just about to return to traffic.
@@lmm I went there. The owner is the chief engineer at Grosmont shed, a.k.a 'Piglet'. I met the guy, but didn't discover the Cockerill in Deviation Shed until later.
Given that 'Piglet's Cockerill was once a tramway locomotive I hope it has bigger oil cups & reservoirs on the motion.
There doesn't seen to be much chance it would get from Grosmont to Goathland unaided. The line from Moor Rd up to Middleton Park had some quite steep gradients, though a typical train was only two coaches converted from NQV parcels vans.
They were only ever meant for a restricted yard shunt, which meant it doesn't have much of a role except on a billiard-table flat line that is short.
The NYMR Cockerill is reckoned to be ready this year.
Piglett has been in the comments!
His one is looking amazing. I think they're planning on using it for steam heating.
Yes, they don't have a massive reserve, very much a shunting only Loco!
@@lmm
The locomotive's role is stated as a station pilot and carriage heating during the steam heat season.
So, it is something to look at between trains when the station would otherwise have zero activity. On Sunday it can heat the carriages of the dining train.
What do you think it's chances would be of it getting to Goathland without at least one 'blow-up'. I reckon 'Piglet' will be itching to answer that question, because it would make a excellent money-spinner in the early part of the running season. So they know they have at least two hours before there's anything waiting impatiently at Goathland.
I'm interested to see how well it'll steam. I'd love to see it charging along the Nymr!
you are a blast, really enjoyed, thanks
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
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You should get out to the States sometime to try some of our more unique steamers! Fancy a Shay?
22:30 Strange flexing of the panel!
Weight saving!
I seem to remember that Cockerill and son were Englishmen who migrated to belgium to build Steam Locos against british law of the day (early 1800's) so if they'd returned to GB they'd have been hung as traitors(!) for giving away period hi tech. 'Fortunately ' for them they were succesful at what they did and designed many effective but 'ugly' loco's as well as some sweet elegant machines, the jury's still out on your loco !!
Is that so?
That's very interesting - and it is a striking thing 😂
If you want to see some very weird vertical boiler locomotives take a look at the Baltimore and Ohio railroads grasshoppers
Will do!
2525 looks very similar to the mine locomotive from the movie 'Castle in the Sky'. the loco in the movie was driven by cogs rather than typical motion, but otherwise it was very similar; 4 tiny wheels, a vertical boiler, and a square body. Makes me wonder if 2525 was a source of inspiration.
They do have similarities!
hello Lawrie, quick question. How long does the engine take to steam up?
if u reply, cheers in advance
Heya, theoretically you could go from cold in an hour, but we take it nice and slow. Two and a bit generally.
Just about enough time to walk around and oil up.
This man was born 60-70 years too late! :) :)
If it went to nymr and meet there’s
Would be very interesting to compare the two
That whistle is rubbish!
It's absolutely pathetic isn't it.
i thought that thig was a brake van
Not quite 😂
The sentences say something else
Oh?
All steam locos (indeed, all locos period) are beautiful in their own way. Life would be empty if there were no nostalgic locomotives from the good old days to admire and enjoy. Thank you for sharing these videos. :) Makes me happy indeed
You're welcome, really glad you're enjoying what we do!
It's a very pretty thing, strange, but pretty.
My Dad has driven that
Me too!
camera work sucks bad.
Sorry its not up to your standard. Hope you enjoyed the content regardless
Doesn't Piglet of the Yorkshire Moors Railway own something extremely similar?
Yes, he has one of the same class
Hasn't Piglet from the North Yorkshire Railway got one of these being restored?
Yeap, he commented a while back!
You won't to steam my twin piston huber mate
Yes. Very much.
Where are you based?
@@lmm I was meant to put try in there mate it's a bit of a pig to steam
I think similar engines were used in the Azores. Those were 7' 1/2" gauge.
Oh really?
Is there any point in the video where the whistle is blown
It's a rather gutless whistle, so no,it didn't feature I'm afraid.
Tks for fomenting I am a big fan
@@onewaypresto4552 that's great to hear. We always try our best to respond to every comment!
I believe this was the first LMM video I have watched..
That was a long time ago
This egine uses more oil than stiff steam locomotives that hasn’t moved in 10 years
Probably, something that's sat for ten years will likely have its lubrication blocked, and won't use any oil, nor will it actually lubricate.
Great to see piglet from NYMR got her running at last
It looks so smart too!
Designed by an apprentice draughtsman high on Laudinum. ;)
It's not a bad thing in all fairness. Just a different thought process
if locomotives could talk i do wonder what stories they'd tell
Tales of great joy, adventures and defeat
Lawrie when you make your trek to the states in the coming months you have got to get to Cass West Virginia... the way that little loco talks reminds me a lot of the geared steamers at Cass West Virginia..
I'm desperate to get to Cass! It's stunning!
@@lmm There is also a great little RR called the J&L Narrow Gauge Railroad... (Youngstown Steel Heritage) They have a locomotive that is right up your alley... give them a look up if you havent already heard about them..
I'd love to see you drive that LNER Y7
I'm working on it!