THE SUN EATER SERIES | Should You Read It?
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2021
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Everyone and their mother should read the Sun Eater series. Their dad should too. I guess any other family members, daughters, cousins, uncles, children of all ages. Everybody just needs to read these is my point.
well I got my dad to read it, so I guess I better start tackling the rest of that list...
but what if I don't usually like space operas...
@@JashanaC Jashana just READ IT ANYWAY
@@alexnieves are we going to fight in the streets if I dnf it??
@@JashanaC Yes
This is awesome! Thanks, Liene!
my absolute pleasure - thank YOU for writing such amazing books!
A perfect series indeed. I’ve loved each book more then the last, and Demon in White is still my book of the year. His short fiction in-universe is also incredible.
I've only read Lesser Devil so far, but I'm excited to pick up the short story collection he's releasing!
Finished Empire of Silence recently and have Howling Dark qued up!
Thanks for the review! I literally just googled this review and am glad I found one that give a lot of explaination without any spoilers or mentioning that ther is a "plot twist" also spoiling the book
This is definitely going onto the TBR list! Thank you for your wonderful recommendations, I’ve been really enjoying The First Law, so I definitely want to pick this series up.
omg yes, First Law is amazing! hope you enjoy Sun Eater too
Great review! I’m going to check it out!
I just finished Red Rising, and I'm now reading The Wolf. Watching your videos has introduced you to so many new worlds. Thank you! Can't wait to check out the Sun Eater series. Also I love your shirt. :)
RR and The Wolf! gah! such great reads! hope Sun Eater lives up to my hype for you haha
and thanks re shirt 😋
I like how besides navigating the court intrigue in the 3rd book, Hadrian also has to deal with revelation that in part his universe is also one of Cosmic Horror, before having to finish off with a "hold the line" battle campaign.
Just finished Demon in White! I've really loved the series thus far! Definitely recommend
Ok, adding to tbr! Great review! :)
I’ve wanted to read this series ever since you and Alex started talking about it. As soon as I’m finished with Red Rising (currently on Iron Gold), I’ll pick these up
excellent plan - what else can you do while we wait for the untitled book 6
Abby just got me book 1 so i definitely want to read it!! So excited for it it sounds amazing
it's incredible! hope you love it
Fantastic series
Nice video! seems like a good series
Just finished the first book… well more like devoured it. Absolutely incredible book imo.
Thanks so much for this video!
glad you enjoyed!
I think I will have to read these books suggestions from you as it sounds amazing 😉 please stay safe and enjoy your reading love your channel love your Australia fan John and I am now one of your patrons
hope you enjoy them if you do!
@@LienesLibrary so do I
Sounds awesome. If hardbacks ever become available again (no plans at time of me writing this I believe) I will absolutely give it a go. Maybe next year. Fingers crossed.
They’re available again! Just bought one from Amazon.
I bought the first book based on your recommendation, i need to pick it up, i have read the first law books too, thanks for your recs
hope you love both!
Interesting. I've heard mixed things for the first book, but hearing this from you (fellow Red Rising fan) is encouraging. I have to give it a try in the future! Also, that cover of Howling Dark is indeed stunning.
I'd be very curious to hear your thoughts if you do pick it up - the cover art alone is worth it, no? 😛
@@LienesLibrary That is so true, but I can't find the hardcover of Empire of Silence anywhere!! 🤣 Seems like I should get Howling Dark and Demon in White first before it's too late.
@@PetrikLeo especially with the shortages right now!
@@PetrikLeo I have a extra copy. It's a library one though from ThriftBooks. It's yours if you want it :)
@@tanyaoszadszky102 wait really? 😅 Anywhere I can contact you to chat about this?
Not that I need more books on my tbr but as soon as you compared it to red rising I knew which book I would be hauling next
yaaaaas hope you love it
I agree with first book being strongest - or at least a different type of book. Book 2 is far more sci fi cyberpunk and we start getting more into horror and cthulu like themes as we move further in. The first book is a book I would recommend to my wife, who doesn't read sci fi that much. I know she would love the first one, but the second might lose her. I love them all, but the first is my favorite and tells a different type of story. Cant wait for book 6!
I have not started the Sun Eater series yet. But hearing reviews of it, I wonder if it's an epic sci-fi retelling of Julius Caesar, one of the most controversial and consequential figures in all history. The Roman naming influences you mentioned kinda point to that. I get the Anakin Skywalker thing too, except when he turned into Darth Vader, he didn't turn back until just before his death. Hell, I'll just read the series.
well the Anakin thing is how the author himself pitches it, so you'd have to ask him if Caesar would be a more apt comparison haha
I just started Empire of Silence yesterday, and so far I'm loving it. So much so that I decided to buy the rest of the series off Amazon today. This has been my intro into the Sci Fi genre. I'd like to get into the Sci Fi genre, but I really don't know anything about it other than Star Wars. I love reading fantasy. This might be a dumb question, but I assume that since I like Sun Eater, I'll also like Red Rising? I have also heard that I should try The Expanse series. How does Red Rising compare to Sun Eater in general? Is it more so just that they take place in futuristic worlds several hundred years down the line with both having a space opera feel to them? Is it slightly more complicated than that? If you have a video on your channel that you want to point me to, I'd be happy to watch that in case it'd be easier to explain. I know this was a bit long winded, but I'd appreciate any insight you have.
I'm actually going to be reading empire of silence soon can't wait to do so 📖😃🤠
But unfortunately the library still doesn't have the other two books yet
oh no! hope they get the other books in soon!
I started reading the first book and I have to say that the references to the Crusades and the Feudal system, as well as the empire being in decline, make me think more of the Byzantine Empire, aka the Medieval Roman Empire, than it does classical Rome.
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POV: * _Freedom Fighters_ by Two Steps From Hell is playing. *
You are the last remaining member of your regiment. The slaughter and carnage was immense but necessary.
You are beaten in and worn out but you made it.
And above the war torn and wrecked high rises *_you see him._*
Gleaming in his _d r e a d w h i t e_ and *gleaming* armor stands Hadrian.
And if he made it...then so did the Empire.
You draw your blood stained Spatha, raise it in the direction of the Halfmortal and roar at the top of your entire being *_"RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSS!!!"_*
_Was that at all close to anything in the Sun Eater novels?_
I just bought the UK editions and excited about this series
yay! such good books - hope you enjoy!
Bought the first 2 because I liked the covers
the covers are spectacular
For me the first book was a drag took me a while to care what was happening to Hadrian. I am glad I stuck around because I enjoyed the 2nd a lot more and the 3rd nearly finished was the best so far
I love the series.
Yessss,I will read The Sun Eater series,own them in UK paperbacks.Though,I don't know when I will be able to get to them 😅.
easy, just bump them to the top of your tbr hehe
I cannot find the hard covers for these to save my life
Yes. Yes you should.
Loved red rising, actually looking for something like it after finishing the dark age last week and found suneater XD
hope you enjoy!
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That comparison of magic is just technology, is the way Tolkien explained his I think. The elves don't necessarily have magic powers, they're just more advanced than the others. I may have to pick this up it sounds fun
it's so good - hope you enjoy if you do end up reading it
@@LienesLibrary I'm about 10% in, the main character just got attacked. I'm enjoying it so far, such a fascinating universe
Just read the preview of the first 5 chapters of «Empire of Silence», were I caught:
Jadd: The Jaddite Faith from several Guy Gavriel Kay novels (GGK’s mix of Christian Trappings and the Sun Cults from Antiquity: Unsurprising given Ruocchio have stated himself as a fan of GGK, with signed books by him) & Jeddah, an Ancient Port City in Modern Day Saudi Arabia
Birth Vats for the Nobility: «Brave New World» by Aldous Huxley
Hadrian’s home planet of Delos: Greek Island, Holy Site for the worship of Apollo and Artemis and the Athenian-led Delian League which fought Sparta in the Peloponnesian War of the 5th Century BC + The Name of the Mega-Corporation running the parks in «Westworld»
Hadrian’s brother Crispin: The St. Crispin’s Day Speech from «Henry V»
The Alien Antagonists, the Cielcin: Ciel (French: Sky) + sin (Mr. Ruocchio is Catholic, alright! 😄)
Lothrian: Have some similar language structure as the Free City of Lorath from GRRM’s «ASOIAF» + Lotharingia/Lorraine in Modern Day France
Hadrian’s family name Marlowe and their Devil Symbol: Christopher Marlowe wrote «Doctor Faustus», about the eponymous scholar who make a pact with the devil Mephistopheles (+ a reversed color scheme of the Manchester United Devil Logo, given the Marlowes’ English Ancestry?)
The Mother of Hadrian’s Family Name, Kephalos: Cephalus, whom Socrates have a dialogue with in Plato’s «Republic». Cephalus give as a definition of justice «to give each what is owed to them», which Socrates refutes by saying that returning a borrowed knife to someone who has turned mad and might therefore hurt themselves, is not just…(cue philosophizing on justice and madness!😅)
Yes Read it awesome series!!!
so good
I'm about 38% thru the first book and I'm trudging along. Please tell me things start to happen here. I keep waiting and waiting and I want to love this series. But I'm getting close to DNF at this point.
Well I'm sold so it's going on my tbr
woohoo! hope you love it
I’m scared to not like these and experience the wrath of both you and Alex
Where did you find those hardback?? 😂 they are all like £100 each online!
How about if you're relatively new to scifi? Would it be alright to read this? I'm a fantasy reader, and I've kind of only read Leviathan Wakes for scifi and I really liked it.
This sounds interesting because it is an epic story and I also want to know about the whole sun-exploding thing haha. Sounds awesome.
I think this, and Red Rising, would be great choices for a fantasy reader starting to pick up scifi because the narrative style is more similar to what you find in epic fantasy
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THE COMMENT ABOUT THE ROMANCE ALMOST RUINED THIS VIDEO FOR ME OUCH, how can you not love them 😔😔😔
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Magic is distinctly different from technology. Mainly because all magic systems are tied to a person’s life force in one way or the other. Either the capacity to use magic or the toll that using it might take or the person themselves are the fuel that feeds the magic etc. But regardless of how a magic system is set up, it’s dependent on the individual.
But any user can access and operate technology. A minimum of intelligence and ability is needed depending on what tech is used, but a three year old can flip channels with a remote, or driving a car for 3 miles or 3000 miles doesn’t tax the driver beyond the normal fatigue of sitting and concentrating. Any individual could learn to run a dishwasher or dryer. It’s not the person who fuels the machine. Yes, to someone from the Middle Ages it seems magical, but it’s inherently not magic.
With magic, sometimes only the magically talented individual is able to see and understand and learn the magic. Like Channeling in The wheel of time. Not everyone can see the power.
But to learn programming or other technical skills, theoretically, anyone is capable of being taught. Yes they’ll need certain amount of talent and intelligence, but even a non talented person can be shown how it is done.
I’m sure there’s more points I could come up with but this is the basic differences I can see right off.
Not exactly, but still you wrote a good essay. Those magic systems involving life force/talent/funky genes are about fiction writers trying to limit magic, instead of treating it as the all-powerful relationship between the cosmos as ancient religions (and some modern religious sects) treated it. And magic (that's the supernatural knowledge, sorcery is the action) is technology through the idea of "mechanical sorcery", such as in Voodoun - where if your local priest gives you the recipe and procedures on a list - you follow it by rote and *poof* it happens. Any person that can follow orders can do sorcery. Also the earliest form of sorcery was simply manipulating an omen given by whatever oracle/fortune teller that a person gave their hard-earned money to. So if you received a fortune cookie saying, if you scrubbed your face with sandpaper and kissed a spotted frog - you'll win the next powerball jackpot...well look's like some frog is going to get kissed. And if it fails, maybe the frog didn't have enough spots or the sandpaper wasn't sandy enough, not because you weren't the 7th son of a 7th son or didn't have a Power Rating of 9999.
Linguistic anthropology? Catnip to me 😍
☝️See Memory Called Empire
that's on my shelf waiting to be read!
You've convinced me, and they're on my TBR, but the con for me is that the series is unfinished, and kind of far from being finished!
I wouldn't say far - there will be five books and the fourth is about to come out early next year, leaving only one more
Would you recommend continuing this series if a reader (me) didn't gravitate toward anything about the first book?
the first book is widely considered the weakest one, though I personally loved it. it is more "set-up" than the others, which get progressively more intense and bizarre, so I'd say give it a go
Yeah I heard how good this series was so I read the first book, let’s just say I was less than impressed. I had already bought the 3 books so I chose to continue, and it turns out that the second book wasn’t that much better either. Since I only had the 3rd book left I chose to read it as well, and as they say, the 3rd paid for all. Demon in White was a massive step up in regards to pacing and story and I feel like the author finally found his groove with it. It was so good that it made my reading of the first 2 books worth it and elevated them. Folks, don’t be scared off by the first and second book, it gets good.
Wow I couldn’t have had a more different experience. Thought the first book was tremendous. Devoured it in like three days. 😂🤷♂️
I get complaints about empire of silence, but Howling Dark after a jarring start is genuinely insane. One of the best middle sections in any sff book I’ve ever read
Bit nervous as I thought Red Rising was a stinky suck fest........I might buy Empire nonetheless!
Good news they aren’t anything remotely similar
Let's be monsters then d_d
yeeeesss
Christopher said that it’s possible that the series will expand up to book seven.
I'm a fantasy reader and I want to give sci-fi a try, would you recommend this for a first sci-fi read?
I think so - it (like Red Rising) reads a bit more like fantasy due to the noble families and hand-to-hand combat
Liked the "Red rising" did not liked this. Red the first and I got the vibe MC will be feared super powerfull, had made difficult chooses but not nesesery evil. I felt like every chapter author was teasing MC will be awesome, it a start of his journey. Everyone tells us that MC is bad ass fighter and cunning, but he gets his ass kicked in surprisingly easy and makes stupid mistakes too often for a genius. I really wanted to like it but failed'
Hadrian lives for centuries he’s completely different at the start of the series to the end of it
Well, I finished the trilogy and mostly enjoyed it. Hadrian loves philosophizing before, during, and after a fight. But then it is a memoir, so okay: he has the time. But man, it did take getting used to. Even at the end, I would roll my eyes. Oh, well, different ways. I was reminded of the Deathstalker books which, although vastly different in tone, did combine swords and spacehips.
I love the concept of this series, but I've put it down after 55 pages (at least for now) because it just feels so much more like fantasy than sci-fi when I really just wanted sci-fi. I do like that sort of thing when I'm in the mood for it so I might try it again when I'm in more of a fantasy type mood. There was also a passage about how truth is found in art more than science or data, which I did not appreciate as someone who wants to go into a data science related field. Is that a major theme that comes back? Because I don't know if I'll be able to enjoy the series as much if it is. Science and data are tools that can be used to find meaningful truths about humanity, too. It's just a different approach.
I wouldn't say that's the thesis of the books, the statement you referred to is more just a reflection of the highly philosophical (and melodramatic) mindset and personality of the protagonist
Oh man, I am not going to make any friends here. I've read roughly 2/3rd through the first book some time ago before I dnfed it. After watching this video, I sat down and tried again because sometimes I am just in the wrong frame of mind for something. I am sad to say this is one of the worst sci-fi books I've read in my entire life. Worse than even bad sci-fi alien romance bodice rippers.
I get why this book has the potential to draw people in so deep that they become blind to its flaws. It's very similar to why "From Blood and Ash" (or most of Jennifer Armentrouts writing in general) is so incredibly successful despite being horrible when looking at it with open eyes.
The author is very good at building that all-important emotional connection to the cast that expands the willing suspension of disbelief to a ridiculous degree. In this regard, it reminds me a lot of Name of the Wind.
But the actual worldbuilding is so absurdly bad, you could put all the world-building on a wall and when throwing a dart you would be guaranteed to hit a plot hole or contradiction.
When going through the entire first book front to back I could probably rant non-stop for over 3 hours just about the stuff I don't even have to fact-check.
And let me be clear here. While I have very high standards for calling a book a masterpiece I read a huge amount of mediocre stuff, none of which got my blood up as this one did.
I am not talking about tiny nitpicks here. The author builds his world out of pieces from anything and everything. Some of these pieces are actually quite neat which you called homages to famous sci-fi. But none of it fits together in the slightest.
The same is true with character motivation and internal consistency and logic. It's all entirely dependent on the whim of the author and changes constantly.
There is a tendency towards perfect characters nowadays so reading about actually flawed human beings that fall victim to pride or other character flaws can be really powerful but this book goes far beyond flawed into outright tstl in the majority of cases.
Maybe these things aren't as glaringly obvious because of the very slow pace which I admittedly very much enjoyed in the landscape of hurrying from plot point to plot point, action scene to action scene which many authors believe they have to do to compete nowadays.
I could probably post this as is as my goodreads review :)
As I wrote earlier, I can understand why many people enjoy this series, and good for you! I would love my suspension of disbelief to not be as fragile as it is as well.
have you read empire of the vampire? What did you think on that, i am curious because I loved that book so if you hated that book i would still probably enjoy this
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