Dr Yesudas is one of the late Sri.Chembai Vaidyanathar's most talented shishyas. A video of their joint rendition of "Kshirasaagara.." is beyond sublime when one listens to it. The Guruvar encouraging his Shishya
Only if science, music and culture spreads among all castes and communities evenly awards have value. That's why Jesudas became so popular.M S Subbulakshmi herself not a Brahmin.
True! He has performed in many sabhas in Chennai and also all over India and abroad. He is equally famous in both the fields..like someone said his music reached the masses irrespective of caste..if the Singing is good it will reach the masses naturally, we don't have to take it to the masses..! If there is a sweet smelling flower, it will attract the bees even if it is far off!😁flower need not go after the bees
These are Non resident Tamilians who sing in Telugu and call it Karnatic Music. If only people knew the history of this music and who used to sing it before it became a elite music. Shows a certain round about arrogance in their reply for direct questions. Kudos to the interviewer for asking them questions that brought out their mindset.
Her point was families should create an atmosphere and encourage children. Non-Brahmins since beginning of Dravidian politics avoided any this that is considered Brahminical, except education for they realized it is the way to move up. Tamil movies constantly portrayed then as cunning, ridiculed their culture, dress, simply anything they do. It is non-Brahmins who built a wall not other way. It is in Brahmins interest to allow this art to grow, why would they keep 98% of market out?
@@MeTalkStr8 I agree that Brahmin families are super sincere about their kids/family and there is lot rest of all tamils can learn from them. What devadasi's preserved and grew both these art forms of singing/bhariatanatiyum as government employees of the kings, is now practiced in majority by one community. This is not wrong. What is wrong is deriving some sense of superiority or ego in claiming it is because of some superior ability. Very similar to the claim that Sanskrit is superior to Tamil because it is a devabasha, without any proof of outcome. Digging more of tamil history will put to rest a lot of these stories and claims with proof in due time.
The interviewer deserves kudos for (1) preparing well for the interview (2) asking pointed questions (3) waiting for the respondents to answer in full without interruption.. This is a wonderful interview. The sisters are excellent and need full support for being direct, sharp and clear in both their position and explanation. We're so grateful that they can take this stand and explain this important value based judgement.
Immature views. The ideology of a person should not define a musicians excellence.These sisters are excellent singers, but have room to grow up as humans. Your views are immature as well, sir.
@@mmanohar. No, actually your's is. One of the most founding principles of carnatic/hindustani music is bhakthi (universal love) & sadhana. An ideology that espouses division & hate (for motivations that are not in the furtherence of the art form) is against that very essence of the art form. Going by your definition if a terrorist is a gifted musician we should not look at the former & only use the latter, try telling that in any international sport & you will get the answer..
The sisters sing beautifully. But their hypocrisy also shines through. They complain about others casting aspersions on them, but do not hesitate to cast aspersions, in a condescending manner, on "activists" and fans who, they are sure, have not listened to even hour of Carnatic music. You don't need any training or cultural background to appreciate good music in all its forms - folk to classical. TMK fights that condescending attitude. They question what his 10 years of activism has achieved. The world has seen what he has achieved. He has raked up the issue of caste-based discrimination, discrimination against women, the sexual harrassment cases that are not followed up in the "ecosystem", how the instrument makers have been sidelined for centuries (Sebastian and sons), the issue of free speech and shrinking space for dissent, socio-environmental issues through songs like "Porompokku," the validity and credibility of "folk" art forms... the list goes on. Periyar's social reformist credentials cannot be doubted, even if he used bad language. TMK might not be perfect (his music is close to it.. even transcends it at times), but no single artiste in the music world has done what he has done to highlight systemic injustices to date.
@@mirnaliniasokan8185 Good! Now that he has done all that, he should focus on the injustices done to the Brahmins (as the govt refers to them on their birth certificates), many who are also financially backward, who are discriminated against through the practice of reservation quotas in the education, job, and other sectors! He should compose songs and sing at political rallies to bring these injustices to light! (like the porampOkku song). I find it quite arrogant that he thinks His carnatic music is so superior that he feels a need to 'take it' to places and cultures who may not care since it may interfere with their own genre of music. In this day and age, everyone can get an exposure to practically anything and learn about so many things on UA-cam! Talking about not having exposure is so silly. Everybody has exposure to everything (if they want to have) through social media. Through all this, he has only spread greater fear of the artform, its practices and artists through wrong interpretation. Everything and anything can be interpreted and perceived as "discrimination" by weak and insecure minds. Wake up people! Where there is a will, there is a way! if you pursue anything with passion and humility instead of blame-game, you will find a way.
No the two sisters are not only aware of the different forms of Karnatik music but also perform them in their concerts. They are only voicing their ire on unnecessary provocation. They are saying that music is being taught to anybody who is willing to be committed to learn with a sense of belongingness.
@@mgchandrakanth They were not just voicing their ire, they were pouring scorn on "uneducated" rasikas. Their saying that music is being taught to anyone committed is rhetoric, glib, for sure. The exclusion is never stated, it just happens and has been happening for a long time. TMK drew attention to it.. that was a needed provocation...
1. T.M.Krishna boycotted Music academy citing it casteist . 2.He has happily accepted award from same institution which he has accused. If 1 is TRUE, then 2 should be logically and morally false . If 1 is FALSE then he should not have said that 1 is TRUE. Full contradiction and hypocrisy by T.M.Krishna.
The name of the academy has some relation to the award grant for 2025. All of the subtle messaging and posturing in the award for 2025 is lost in the noise around the award from the Music Academy that houses the TT Krishnamachari auditorium.
Better explainanation is , 2 is the result 1. Casteist Academy has turned into non casteist. Even Indian independence is the result of protests and boycotts. A positive change must be welcomed instead of boycotting by these casteist musicians.
What is this hagemony ???? any body.Can come and sing ; No one is controlling anyone ; Brahmins they work hard on that as their life ; TMK had not attended any concerts for 9 years in the academy and got awarded ; RG question the basis of award ;
Do you mean others don't work hard? The issue is as T M Krishna rightly pointed out there has always been brahminical hegemony and many talents are being neglected just because they are non-brahmins. Of course, we are least bothered about these two morons and their comments on TMK. They say he sings songs on Periyar. So what is your problem? What contribution you have done to your society but for squating on the stage during december season? You may refuse to attend the function, of course it is your liberty., the reason for the same is highly objectionable.
When they say 'the ecosystem', do they mean plants, animals and other organism or are they just talking about the carnatic world or the brahmanical hegemony? Love when we use new words to describe same old thing. A huge fan of the sisters and even now when I hear them sing, I am in awe but when they smile after their half-assed response, it's giving me president snow vibe from The Hunger Games film
Agree. I mean the fact that they say the only ones criticising them are ‘placard holding activists who haven’t heard more than an hour of classical music in their whole lives’. Shows they superiority complex quite clearly. Shameful
@@nikitali5129perhaps it's because of those that actually bothered to send a letter to them about it. I don't think what they are doing is very well argued. But then again, I also don't care so much if others want to hold half assed opinions. So, despite being someone that listens to carnatic music a lot and having an opposing view on the subject, they don't know people like me exist?
@@nikitali5129 I am not interfering your debate to protect something but genuinely to understand the naunces of raag music several hours of listening are even not sufficient. The sisters know the music and accordingly shown their generosity quoting just one hour as parameter.😊
Ranjani and Gayatri have just shown they are not just musical masters - but great intellectuals who can very convincingly put forth their point of view without getting entangled in emotions. Hats off to both of them !
Both of you are brilliant .a well articulated thoughts of yours..you said it right its sadhana indeed.connecting to our paramatma,and artists experience that and for some moments tranfer that to the listeners too Thats their skill and takes years of dedicated practice.you have every right to put your best foot forward.Good interview and both of you cleared the air around your decision.And not to exclude the anchor ,showed such maturity and cool calm ,composed and smiling. approach .just right ,made the show taste good.
These two do not deserve anyway I stand in support of Krishna ji . Music is universal and any body with talent and interest can learn music casteism should not be brought into any kind of music industry
@@poorasamyamirthalingam4675 sorry Sir, you are not getting it, she is more progressive than the average politician fishing in caste waters for votes..
Vidushis your decision to boycott or withdraw from MMA programs certainly is the most wise, valid, tenable, sathwik, ethical, moral and courageous decision in support of the tradition and art of karnatak classical music. We expected in fact many more musicians to join the suit. Nevertheless as on date six brave ethical wise musicians have come out with similar decision as the tip of the ice berg of classical musicians. Kudos.
well carnatic roots comes from devdasi community. what do you know of its traditions or ethics when forefarthers from brahmin community stole their art and ostracized them ? Its sad to see that theres only one TMK who speaks the truth here. Rest is toxic exclusivity with no moral/ethical backing.
The roots of music go to Sama Veda and not to devadasi or any other community. Kindly read classical music texts like sampradaya pradarshini, venakatamakhi, sharangadeva to know the base. God bless.
@@mgchandrakanth Do these book track the trends pre-1600s ? Sama Veda like anyother Vedas didn't appear from the blue right ? It's evolved over time generation after generation through oral traditions? For sometime some studies say it was carried forward by the devdasi community followed by the Brahmin community until now.
Appreciate the steps taken by The Print to let the other side speak after the lopsided " Brahmin meltdown " article. Happy that a discussion is happening.
When I read "Brahmin Meltdown....." it was quite a jolt to the belief I held in "The Print's 'unhyphenated news reportage' or words to that effect and meaning used by Mr Shekhar Gupta. I had been an avid reader of 'India Today' for a long time..which is the reason for the my subscription to the Print ( paid or gratis). Now after Ms Shubhangi Misra's recent article ..."Brahmin Meltdown...." (2024) as well as an article villifying Brahmins from 2018 by Ms Shubhangi Misra in The Print....I am giving it some serious thought as to what form my membership of this channel ought to take...It has now become a moral imperative for me. That said...we are entitled to our opinions and narratives.
@@lawanyaarvind2810 the print has always been communist supporting, left leaning and anti sanatani publication despite gupta's sweet and erudite tongue and calm demeanor. I encourage all sanatanis to verify where their rupees dollars pounds or even minutes are going, and if the beneficiary is really unbiased as they claim.
@@Saipradeepvangala Entry in to Guruvayoor temple is restricted to Hindus only ok ? What is your problem ? There is a auditorium closer to temple , he can sing there
carnatic music needs training for years and years..Instead of wasting time on unnecessary controversies let tmk concentrate on music and try teaching carnatic music to all sect without discrimination..as carnatic music or all types of music has no barriers and nobody has created any barrier as tmk says...There are many people from all relegion who pursue carnatic music nd sings well too ! So why this controversy? Let everyone comeforward nd learn music instead of wasting their time
I am sorry are these sisters confused ?. in one breath they say award has nothing to do with TM Krishna social activism and they also say he is talented and deserves then why are you boycotting ? You girls want change and break the casteism but you have families and cant do much. Thats ok but why are you stopping someone from recieving an award for his music talent only because he is an activists !!
Because he is disrespecting the Bhakti bhava of the same songs he gets clapped for😂 He sing raaama naa pai Neeku daya raadu And in the next goes on to say who the bloody hell is Rama. Bullshit😂 Do you see why he is stupid. He wants the claps and appreciations from singing Rama but out right rejects the existence of rama😂
Yes I also have the same question. I have learnt carnatic music and also attend concerts by both Raga and TMK. I don't understand why TMK should not be honoured for his talent. The ideological differences he has with many other artists has nothing to do with his inherent talent. Can anyone say he is not a good artist? No. Then why question the recognition being given to him for his talent.
@@lakshmikrithika2521 That's your perception. Stalwarts in the field have recognised his worth. An artist's art may not have universal acceptance. You can see his fan following on his social media and in the comments of all his videos. But my point was that ideological differences should not be highlighted in recognition for one's art. It is just not the occasion. If they feel he is not a good singer, then fine. But their accusations are not related to his singing at all. That's my concern.
@@nareshgiridharan3122the problem arose because people started keeping the music to themselves. Now you hv a problem if they dissipate it also! Enna saamy. What’s your problem😂
Chowdiah-violin, Puttaswamiah-percussionist, Higgins-vocalist, MSS-vocalist, MLV-vocalist, KJJ-Vocalist, Devendrappa-vocalist, Mahadevappa-violinist, Mysuru Nagaraj-violinist, Mysuru Manjunath-violinist, Sheshappa-percussionist Numberless-All these persons are not brahmins. They are great by dint of their sadhanas, excepting an idiot by name krishnan, who doesn't want to know the greatness of our music.
As regards the point that Brahmins have been dominating Carnatic music field, it is factually incorrect. There have been and there are doyens from non Brahmin community...eg The great Nagaswara Chakravarthy T N Rajarathnam pillai leading that group with Thiruvengadu subramania pillai, p s veeruswami, nachiyarkovil Raghava pillai 10:43 and plenty of thavil vidwans,mridangam pazhani Subramania pillai and a host of others, chittoor Subramania pillai, Madurai Somu, in recent times, jesudas,TMSoundararajan, sirkhazhi Govindarajan..have all populRised through cinema too to laymen. So" Brahmins have dominated" argument does not hold water.
There are `1000s if not lakhs of Nadaswaram artists who are not Brahmins. In fact, it is even more difficult if not the most difficult and most melodious musical instrument in the world. People do not respect the Nadaswaram artists nor that art form. May be it is changing, but it needs more recognition.
I think that's a wrong notion. So many Nadaswaram artists are well respected and admired. It's very much natural that vocalists get more recognition because they drive most concerts, not because they're Brahmins.
Hatred comes out. Brahmin’s fault? Temples should encourage the nadaswaram artists, instead of being swindled! HRCE should be closed and the management of temples should be handed over to people. Find some other thing to vent out your anger, suggest corruption!
@@lakshmikrithika2521 I agree. Sheikh Chinna Moulana is a muslim. His music is played in many temples in TN every morning regularly. His guru Shri Masthan Saheb was given the title "Naada Brahmam". TN Rajaratnam Pillai is the Jambavaan of Nadaswaram with no parallel what so ever. The chennai music circle is deaf to all these artists it seems like.
They are from Bombay who came to Tamilnadu to make money. They do not like TMK being inclusive. His family is in music for generations. Simply jealous. Obvious from their tone. Let them get lost...
THESE TWO SISTERS SHOULD NOT BE SINGING THUKARAM MAHARAJ JI'S ABHANGS IN MUMBAI AS WHAT HE CONVEYS THROUGH HIS MUSICAL OUTPOURINGS IS NOT VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT SHRI TM KRISHNA JI SAYS
Well done RAGA sisters. I hope other senior musicians of madras also join your stand and boycott this "good for nothing" Music Academy 's present management, who are not even a pale shadow of the people at the helm of affairs in the Academy way back in the mid late 1960s , 1970s and 1980s. Shame on them for having brought this whole issue to this point of disgust. We music lovers, who have been coming down to madras every December- January will jointly boycott the Academy 's programme ensuring it to be a total washout and a flop show. Kudos to both of you for the courage shown in initiatiating this commendable move against --- you know what!!!
In one sentence madame Ranjani says "we are all doing our bit", but apparently there is no time due to the demands of making money from carnatic music and teaching it to your own families? So doing our bit is doing little to nothing it seems. Why do they not wake up in the morning to think of how to help others? Came to this interview with hope, leave feeling that the hegemony is likely to persist.
the primary duty of an artist is to practice and deliver enjoyable concerts for the listeners! By simply keeping the artform alive, they are preserving it's rich tradition and heritage for generations to come. They are also teaching many students. That is what they meant by "doing their bit". They do not need to do anything beyond that. They are not politicians or social workers who need to "do" anything beyond that to reach music to anyone! It is available for all, if they want to enjoy/learn, especially in this day and age of the internet and social media. it is job of the organizers and sabhas like the music academy to make arrangements to encourage more to listen.
Well what have you done about it? What gives you the moral authority to tell them what to do? Stop parrating the talking points of those who seek to divide for power...think clearly
What has periyar and the rest of political theives done to any of the native art forms or the temples here or even the tamil language? All of the human progress in all of the above has been through one doing one's duty & sadhana while being welcoming of everyone..not by scoring points over others and name calling..if there is a problem, address it, not capitalize on it for cheap goals..
Carnatic music will remain the same even after this incident. The only thing now visible is people are ready to blame Brahmins for all things happening around.Let mrKrishna explain what are the efforts he has taken for left out people to learn Carnatic music we will be happy and thank him
Hats off to you sisters! A professor from U S has brought out the point about the urgency in announcing this, months in advance and that too to coincide with the elections. It gives the impression that mount road mahavishnu is all out to support the anti brahminical dravida parties. Apart from your knowledge, I admire your expressions. Gone are the days when Brahmins were quiet. Today , you have proved that women from the community can counter effectively
fact- it so happens that this "so-called one community" kids work harder and longer than the average kid in this field -and great parental support. They are generally from a middle o r lower middle class background, unlike TM Krishna who comes from a rich powerful and elite family. Print- get your act together and not be shallow.
True. Music didn’t make money earlier so communities had no inclination to learn. But suddenly since music became a business everybody wants to learn and ace it in a day not knowing that sometimes it takes generations for a star to come out😊
At 7.15, the interviewer says tmk is fighting for including other communities. Whom is he fighting ? Who is opposing inclusion ? Is there any evidence to prove opposition to inclusion ? If tmk decides to teach only non Brahmins ( in place of Brahmins whom he is teaching at present ) who will resist it ? Let him test it.
Madeas Sanskrit College started by brahmins open to all. K j yesudas has learnt carnatic music. Bharathanatyam all caste people learning already Not because of periyar e.v.ramaswamy
It is not a Brahmin property. Bharat natyam was a non Brahmin origin art form. Even carnatic music was pioneered by the local inhabitants of South India not Brahmins. Even Shanmugha Vadivu from Madurai a Tamil girl from the Devadasi family popularly called as MS Subbulakshmi was a great legend.
Who is to bell the cat? Someone has to - sometime it does happen. As, in this case. Denigrating Hinduism and Brahmin community has been the strategy used by the 'so-called Atheists of Tamil Nadu to safeguard their interests and better their position and power. Previously it was Karnatic song against film-song and these lot used to cry hoarse upholding film-son as the better one. Then came Super singer, SariGamaPa and other such music programmes and competitions in Television channels where the judges would say, 'This is Shadjamam, That is Madhyamam, even for a cabaret dance. So it became evident that Karnatic music is the basis of all kinds of Music down South. Unable to stomach this they have now started to say that Karnatic music is in fact taken from 'Tamil Isai. Thus they go on. Mouthing such high-sounding terms as Equality, Reform, etc., anybody can voice all irrelevant things about this art-form. The Tamil writers who feel dutybound to give their opinions(of course unasked) on this issue should look within and think for a moment how it would make them feel enraged if an alternate magazine is compared with a pop-magazine. It is an open fact with proofs to substantiate that Periyar did denigrate the Brahmin community in the worst possible manner. If Periyar had said many other positive things with reformist zeal, why can't they be highlighted and propagated by those who hail him as the harbinger of reforms in Tamil Nadu(which is at best only partly true)? Instead, it is these lot who profess themselves to be the loyalists of Periyar who use his name only for demeaning Hinduism and Brahmins. And, mostly these lot target the middle-class and lower-middle class Brahmins while maintianing a cordial relationship with powerful and influential Brahmins who are the self-chosen champions of progessive ideas which mostly sound as those of pseudo-progressives. Divide and Rule Policy is still very much in vogue, by the powers-that-be of Tamil Nadu, to say the least. And, it is realy nice to see that these power-centres and hatemongers are made answerable, at least once in a blue moon. //Singing the glory of Lord Rama and also of he who garlanded him with chappals is unthinkable// said Dushyanth Sridhar which gives in a nutshell what the issue is all about.
The sisters are not only great singers but also in very good communicating what is right ..they belive...me too endorse their point of view.. Jai carnatic music jai vaggayakaras and exponents too.
OMG - she is not an expert of Periyar BUT she knows that the facts she is claiming is truth because its factual proven on SOCIAL MEDIA! girl please, do your research - sounds like I am watching republican candidates talking about how wonderful Trump is. What is happened to the world (obviously being dramatic)
Why disgrace? Is TMK a very bad Musician that Academy's choice is wrong? Please remember the award is for the Musician one is not for one's religious or political stand. By saying this the sisters not only show their intolerance to opinion other than theirs but prove that what TMK said is true.
@@sandhyabalachandrankartha4671 Sandhya, you can't remove the religion from the music. Carnatic music as called in the English vernacular is a representation of devotion that is said to have sprung from Lord Shiva himself. Somebody that actively goes out of his way to demean the religion, foster hate against a certain community and not understanding the core principles of his great art does not deserve any recognition and we cheapen awards by associating them with people like this.
@@sandhyabalachandrankartha4671 There is a story where after his performance singing a bhajan about Bhagavan Shri Krishna, someone came up to him and complimented him by saying: 'Sir, When you sang, I heard Sakshat Bhagavan Shri Krishna'. And his response was something to the effect of What nonsense are you talking about, Ive sang this song plenty of times, I've never seen any Krishna here. Clearly the man has no appreciation for the roots or origins of his great art and all of this is just shameful...
Presentation of clasical raag music as musician and enjoing it as listener; may be as amateur listener or connoisour I think is linked with personal choice towards own liking and nature and should not be mixed with socializing it irrespective of choices, likings and instincts of the masses because individuality prevails.
Why … it got created in this land , it stands on the literature and sahithyam of this land , it belongs to this land , its people and the dharma of this land … go get lost
Lets assume for a moment everyone agrees with TMK qnd MMA award; and he is hqppily educating underprivileged kids in Carnatic music. What problem is he solving the country today? Are they going to get better jobs? Are all of them getting better life? The only outcome is publicity for TMK because he is anti brahmin. And the anti-sanatan The Print, The Wire and The Hindu making noise for their own mileage and cheap agenda.
The interviewer mentions his contribution to the fisherman community as if he has moved mountains…!! 😂😂 I wonder really how many kids there in that community are really learning the music , first they hv to learn it as an interest and then only after that , once that generation pursues other jobs and earn money while they still keep singing .. after that only , the next generation will take up this art form as a profession. Else what will they do .. sing concerts to the fishes in the sea…?????😂
@@swethab6572 I agree but tbh what the kids do is their prerogative. The point of controversy is TMK is supporting the downtrodden and lifting them up, so he is the hero and his opposers are villains. I just want to know what exactly he has changed in the downtrodden peoples life to make their lives better, and how (as per him) brahmins taking up carnatic music prevents the downtrodden from improving their quality of life and get respect in their society. If some one can ask the interviewer this, i'd be happy.
@@aruns75 agreed …. !! But this is the irony .., we didn’t speak for all this time and this narrative is juicing cooked up . Today everyone believes a hypocrite like TMK !!🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
He is a musician dumbo... ask the government about jobs and providing better life. you don't have those guts!!. He is not anti brahmin he is pro equality. Yes he teaches Carnatic music for the underprivileged and is asking everyone else to open their doors for everyone regardless of caste. what is wrong with that ?
Well said my sisters! On the question of awards as inclusion its frankly a stupid question that comes from the reservation culture that is ruining our country, diluting meriocracy is not inclusion. Empowering for meritocracy is inclusion. The govts over the decades since indepenence have collectively & consistently failed in ensuting this "empowering everyone for meritorcary" which is a long game requring quiet, painstaking grassroots work. Reservation was meant (by the founders) to be a temporary patch while this aforementioned work gets into high gear, but it never did & the political theives used it for their narrow power needs & today we have a huge problem of employability that we talk about where people have forgot that they need to aspire for meritocracy & instead are begging after manipulative politicians for endless reservation...wonder where & how this is all going to ehd..
mrinalini, good that you were listening to them, music is form if sadhna. It takes years and years of practice. You know why is Brahmin, it is one who does learning, tapasya. It can be anyone. Anyone from any community who works hard, spends hours and hours into learning this Carnatic music then he or she can become knowledgeable person called Brahmin. Not caste but varna. Who takes atoon. Enough of dena of attacking Brahmin. No one aha right to insult artists and music. TM krishna is vicious person and insulted hindua
Excellent interview...The interviewer and the interviewee....unhurried, yet informative....Me and my wife are huge admirers of the wonderful duo...have been fortunate to hear them live many times...(more than one hour!)….Ilayaraaja was not entirely welcome initially.... Now, widely accepted for his work in widening the musical base of fans/rasikas...Dr Krishna's musical nous is not in question...It is his method of popularizing it... Right? The sisters consciously avoided talking about Dr Krishna's musical brilliance....Why?
Raga sisters You have to mention your own initiatives like Raga by Raja Rasa by Raga Etc To prove your point better You are already involved in transformative efforts
To the interviewer, they came on for this interview because they felt that they needed to use a democratic platform to defend their inclusionary views, however well masked they are. It was your job to not smile through every answer just to move onto the next one. Holding feet to fire. Holding thoughts to trial. I’m surprised by the questions that weren’t asked(you can reply if you want to know what they were). Truly dissatisfying but I do see your heart is in the right place.
Summary of Ranjani-Gayathri' misguided logic 1. Brahminical hegemony is present due to reasons that we enjoy (aka privileges) 2. 10 years is enough period to bring chnage and TMK couldn't bring it, so its all publicity hoax 3. We are happy to welcome people into this community and get more people to listen to us singing (they never said others could sing, only listen) 4. Activists are people who has listened to less than 1 hour of carnatic music rendition in their whole life. 5. You shoud pursue music only for music, says the two women who campagned for the BJP, sang songs to bring back Modi.....(there's more) 6. Genocide? Really? You sing praises of Modi's bulldozer government but some comment against brahminism (not brahmins) you have a problem with? Understand your hypocrisy ladies.
TMK did in fact criticise the trinity. The very fact that he sang in praise of EVR clearly establishes the fact that he has scant respect for the trinity and its a blasphemy emanating from him. Everyone knows how EVR took a procession denigrating Lord Sri Ram and used filthy language against our Gods. TMK’s singing in praise of such blasphemous character is proof of his hypocrisy
@@vadularama2977 Have you ever asked him for his point of view on why he did that - or did you decide to be judge and jury and crucify him. Do you coexist as an Indian with other citizens that place EVR on a pedestal or according to you should they all just die and disappear because of that one singular feature. We must learn to be tolerant once again and take things with a pinch of salt. For every human, the likelihood that they said or did something in their life that you do not agree with is likely to be 100%.
That leads to the issue of can anybody learn for eg vocal music? Please try. If one can't match the pitch, can't go further. Can that one blame the guru and bring all other discrimination here? That will be sinful.
I still dont get what they are protesting. Are they mad cos he got the award? Through the entire conversation they dont make clear what are they objecting to. Why keep referring to the letter? Why not be honest n speak out here?
Did TM Krishna propagate & teach carnatic music even to Sangeetha Kalanidhi Sheik Chinna Moulana in the last century? Did upper caste Hindus ever stop or disrespect Sangeetha Kalanidhi Sheik Chinna Moulana in any forum in his music journey? Why Urban Naxal TM Krishna is raising caste discrimination issue? Is it part of DMK agenda to eradicate the Sanatana Dharma from Tamilnadu?
The question about TM krishna award also is secondary and takes a backseat but what is good about this issue is that THE BRAHMIN domination is very subtle and needs to be addressed.
Wind up this academy dominated by nastikas, which has been polluted and make your own parallel academy to maintain the sanctity of our musical and spiritual heritage.
There is no need to put more pressure on these sisters than they are in already! She made herself clear there is No mincing of words ! Think about it this way! Writing gana songs and dancing therukoothu belongs to a particular “ecosystem” or caste! No one is fighting with them for inclusion because interested person is always welcome to learn similarly any person interested to learn Carnatic music will have full access to the art form. There is no need to hold placards and do activism for seeking attention. The sisters are repeatedly saying the same. If TMK has made efforts for 10 years there should be at least one student of his performing in known spaces! On the contrary there are many lesser known Carnatic music teachers teaching this art form for all people irrespective of their origin! I am one of them and proud of it! All my students are music lovers, I have no clue what community they are from. If you are really inclusive you will do the job quietly without throwing blasphemy at some community to appease some other community !
QUOTE: "Whereever there was a holy place in South India there was widespread venereal disease (sexually transmitted disease). Four fifths of the affected were brahmin women" Page 110-111 of the 1924 year book The Dravidian Element in Indian Culture by Gilbert Slater (Madras University Professor 1924) UNQUOTE
Whether Raga sisters are right or wrong, that is not the question. The award will only make TNK stronger and he will upgrade his attacks on the carnatic music and it's practitioners. Music Academy has done a big mistake. In future senior vidwans and vidhishis will either be compelled to support him or suffer indignation in silence.
Not connected with TMK Music Academy issue,why not Tamil Nadu musicians allot more time in each concert to sing Tamil songs,this was expressed by Mr.Suresh Krishna from TVS group.There should be a revival of Tamil Isai movement.
@@nareshgiridharan3122he has criticized famous figures like MS Amma and Thyagarajaswami, he supports Periyaristic ideologies and he pays no heed to Sahithya
Artists should be happy they have audience at their concerts. If you talk about Bhava and Rafika’s and all these divisions, I also like some other Voices like Sanjay Subhramanyam more than T.M.Krishna’s voice.Between Ranjani and Gayithri, I feel Ranjani has more Bhava than Gayithri. Gayithri has a high voice but not the Bhava of Ranjani. But I enjoy both their singing. Let’s get rid of the cast system and let truly gifted voices enthrall us.
Kerala haas killed our mellam which is only used in tamilnadu government a nd minister welcome meetings and other functions.why not they promote mellam and nadadwaram only in tamilnadu! ! ! !
Is it just me or do their false smiles actually make them look scary? When she says "eco-system" I have an uneasy feeling that she is talking about the caste system. And just a reminder, you don't need to listen to classical music to protest against social injustices that are happening in the classical music field. That is the lamest and most arrogant response to a topic of such serious concern. Nowhere do they say that they will at-least try do some soul searching or fact finding to correct flaws.
The grand artistes views are true.even by tmk in his very soundy views on karnatic music for this person music is only a construct of sounds ie organized noise he diesnt day thevbasis as feeling ot emotion or flowery imagination or poetry. Let him know that ss per vedalakshana swaras are sounds of emotion of animals and when humans add emotion to it noise becomes music Sangita is bhava in sound let him start studies under a guru
Where are the other musicians ?? There are many seniors like Sudha Raghunathan, Sanjay Subramaniam etc . Are they only trying to protect their career interests and are willing to stomach insults like these?
People from other faiths and non beleivers can have little space as the temples offer no place , ara nilai thurai is a good place to start for admission against constitution and the owner of the temple as GOD. Owners of the academies are all investors including MS AMMA and all the artists who comes and teaches for no to little fees and have run free shows to improve music and culture on charoty to improve arts and education with no bills offered for government support . The music college a government onitiative is a good place to be temembered for clean up.though there might be some rare tenders for funding to happen and make l public news for isai vellalar brahmins mridangam makers and players importantly parai and players for nomination and encouragement for more part time and fulk time players for a record
Castist, classist, elitist. I was a fan of ranjani gayatri, very much a 'real listener' and a rasika like they said, and have heard not one but numerous concerts of theirs but after this drama, I'm happy to keep myself out of their 'ecosystem'.
The thing is reservation is not a substitute for years of perseverance, dedication, and hard work in classical art forms. Yeh agar nahee hai tho nahee ho payega re baba, sorry.
@@sonar451 Your statement makes no sense. No classical singer sings ilayaraja film songs in the classical concerts. They have a massive treasure to fall back on, they were originally trained on for years. Why would a classical singer go looking for film songs in a classical music concert- beats me. Illayaraaja values his hindu roots unlike periyar followers who call for genocide of hindus and insult hindu gods. Periyar followers should go to periyar school of music. Yesudas did due diligence and learnt classical carnatic music - he didnt go around garlanding lord rama in chappal.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion so Raga sisters as well as commenters are to theirs. But so is TM Krishna. He is proposing a different viewpoint towards Carnatic music which he believes would result in larger outreach and acceptance by masses from all walks of life. Would that be really bad. The entire point is to take away the familial and community background from the equation and instead focus on the real practice and spiritual aspects of music. One sided discussions are piling up on UA-cam whereas it would be more balanced if someone representing Krishna is also speaking live at the same time.
The Haul mark of great ness in any art form is becoming more and modest as one scales higher in their achievements That is missing with TMK His assertion that Karnatik music is Brahminical is a big lie . I don't know in Tamil Nadu but Andhras all way respected musicians like Dwaram Naidu garu ,Annavarapu among host of other great musicians in all kinds,light clasical, cine.Artists are respected irrespective of caste.Tamil nadu is unique.They rever Rogues like EVR also who is Evil personified
Madras music academy has conveniently overlooked or wilfully kept away from the public domain the basic fact that TM Krishna is neither invited nor honoured by Christians or Muslims or Dalits in musical events featuring talented artists from their community.
Na ghar ka na ghaat ka. Even today only the Brahmin community overlooks such errors and pays willingly to listen to his extraordinary music! Anyone can be nice. Only some can be kind. The Brahmin community is always the latter ! 😄 Sooner or later he has to realize - ppl who preserve tradition will also own it at some point. It will be interesting if he also asks for reservation for Brahmins in politics just like he is asking for inclusivity in music. Brahmins are in Severe minority in politics. When is he going to start that movement?
Music is universal, its for Peace unity, strength,knowledge a good health & bring all humans with Unity Peace. In Music no place for 'Casteism hate & himsa😅
Periyar married his own foster daughter, propagated genocide of Brahmins. The DMK ideology is against Hindus. The Carnatic music highlights religious hymns whereas DMK is against. This politics has been brought into the music academy. These great musicians cannot be aggressive and say that. Annamalai does it
Dr. Yesudas has popularized Carnatic Music to the masses. Even as a lay man, I can enjoy his rendering
Dr Yesudas is one of the late Sri.Chembai Vaidyanathar's most talented shishyas. A video of their joint rendition of "Kshirasaagara.." is beyond sublime when one listens to it. The Guruvar encouraging his Shishya
Only if science, music and culture spreads among all castes and communities evenly awards have value. That's why Jesudas became so popular.M S Subbulakshmi herself not a Brahmin.
He is not popularised on carnatic music he doing playback singing very well. But his carnatic music is not famous.
@@sanjayankrSanjayan it is very, very famous amidst the Carnatic masses
True! He has performed in many sabhas in Chennai and also all over India and abroad. He is equally famous in both the fields..like someone said his music reached the masses irrespective of caste..if the Singing is good it will reach the masses naturally, we don't have to take it to the masses..! If there is a sweet smelling flower, it will attract the bees even if it is far off!😁flower need not go after the bees
These are Non resident Tamilians who sing in Telugu and call it Karnatic Music. If only people knew the history of this music and who used to sing it before it became a elite music. Shows a certain round about arrogance in their reply for direct questions. Kudos to the interviewer for asking them questions that brought out their mindset.
Her point was families should create an atmosphere and encourage children. Non-Brahmins since beginning of Dravidian politics avoided any this that is considered Brahminical, except education for they realized it is the way to move up. Tamil movies constantly portrayed then as cunning, ridiculed their culture, dress, simply anything they do. It is non-Brahmins who built a wall not other way. It is in Brahmins interest to allow this art to grow, why would they keep 98% of market out?
@@MeTalkStr8 I agree that Brahmin families are super sincere about their kids/family and there is lot rest of all tamils can learn from them. What devadasi's preserved and grew both these art forms of singing/bhariatanatiyum as government employees of the kings, is now practiced in majority by one community. This is not wrong. What is wrong is deriving some sense of superiority or ego in claiming it is because of some superior ability. Very similar to the claim that Sanskrit is superior to Tamil because it is a devabasha, without any proof of outcome. Digging more of tamil history will put to rest a lot of these stories and claims with proof in due time.
The interviewer deserves kudos for (1) preparing well for the interview (2) asking pointed questions (3) waiting for the respondents to answer in full without interruption.. This is a wonderful interview.
The sisters are excellent and need full support for being direct, sharp and clear in both their position and explanation. We're so grateful that they can take this stand and explain this important value based judgement.
Immature views. The ideology of a person should not define a musicians excellence.These sisters are excellent singers, but have room to grow up as humans. Your views are immature as well, sir.
@@mmanohar. No, actually your's is. One of the most founding principles of carnatic/hindustani music is bhakthi (universal love) & sadhana. An ideology that espouses division & hate (for motivations that are not in the furtherence of the art form) is against that very essence of the art form. Going by your definition if a terrorist is a gifted musician we should not look at the former & only use the latter, try telling that in any international sport & you will get the answer..
The sisters sing beautifully. But their hypocrisy also shines through. They complain about others casting aspersions on them, but do not hesitate to cast aspersions, in a condescending manner, on "activists" and fans who, they are sure, have not listened to even hour of Carnatic music. You don't need any training or cultural background to appreciate good music in all its forms - folk to classical. TMK fights that condescending attitude. They question what his 10 years of activism has achieved. The world has seen what he has achieved. He has raked up the issue of caste-based discrimination, discrimination against women, the sexual harrassment cases that are not followed up in the "ecosystem", how the instrument makers have been sidelined for centuries (Sebastian and sons), the issue of free speech and shrinking space for dissent, socio-environmental issues through songs like "Porompokku," the validity and credibility of "folk" art forms... the list goes on. Periyar's social reformist credentials cannot be doubted, even if he used bad language. TMK might not be perfect (his music is close to it.. even transcends it at times), but no single artiste in the music world has done what he has done to highlight systemic injustices to date.
Well said
Well said. Raga's bit is prohibiting the webcaste of an open temple concert
@@mirnaliniasokan8185 Good! Now that he has done all that, he should focus on the injustices done to the Brahmins (as the govt refers to them on their birth certificates), many who are also financially backward, who are discriminated against through the practice of reservation quotas in the education, job, and other sectors! He should compose songs and sing at political rallies to bring these injustices to light! (like the porampOkku song). I find it quite arrogant that he thinks His carnatic music is so superior that he feels a need to 'take it' to places and cultures who may not care since it may interfere with their own genre of music. In this day and age, everyone can get an exposure to practically anything and learn about so many things on UA-cam! Talking about not having exposure is so silly. Everybody has exposure to everything (if they want to have) through social media. Through all this, he has only spread greater fear of the artform, its practices and artists through wrong interpretation. Everything and anything can be interpreted and perceived as "discrimination" by weak and insecure minds. Wake up people! Where there is a will, there is a way! if you pursue anything with passion and humility instead of blame-game, you will find a way.
No the two sisters are not only aware of the different forms of Karnatik music but also perform them in their concerts. They are only voicing their ire on unnecessary provocation. They are saying that music is being taught to anybody who is willing to be committed to learn with a sense of belongingness.
@@mgchandrakanth They were not just voicing their ire, they were pouring scorn on "uneducated" rasikas. Their saying that music is being taught to anyone committed is rhetoric, glib, for sure. The exclusion is never stated, it just happens and has been happening for a long time. TMK drew attention to it.. that was a needed provocation...
Why i feel that both their smiles looks so fake
same here
when you cannot take on their logic, these are the things people resort to. similar to TMKs comments on MS amma.
Not sure about their smile, but your ID certainly is, may be for obvious reasons 😊
@@pradeepbharadwaj2819 thanks for the info dude, next time i will make sure to add bharadwaj at the end to look authentic..
Their smiles are indeed fake just like their praise for each other while singing during their concerts
Two excellent singers, but immature humans! Ranjani & Gayatri
I totally agree with sisiters' words.
You don’t have to listen to Carnatic music for an hour in ones life time to sight Brahmanism
1. T.M.Krishna boycotted Music academy citing it casteist .
2.He has happily accepted award from same institution which he has accused.
If 1 is TRUE, then 2 should be logically and morally false .
If 1 is FALSE then he should not have said that 1 is TRUE.
Full contradiction and hypocrisy by T.M.Krishna.
Music is not a few people's personal property. It is universal.
@@Topquark1- yes, but you have practice it arduously.
The name of the academy has some relation to the award grant for 2025.
All of the subtle messaging and posturing in the award for 2025 is lost in the noise around the award from the Music Academy that houses the TT Krishnamachari auditorium.
Better explainanation is , 2 is the result 1. Casteist Academy has turned into non casteist. Even Indian independence is the result of protests and boycotts. A positive change must be welcomed instead of boycotting by these casteist musicians.
@pichumanisankar2617 yup, Ilaiyaraja is a classic example. Being a dalit, He outclassed all the brahmins.
What is this hagemony ???? any body.Can come and sing ; No one is controlling anyone ; Brahmins they work hard on that as their life ; TMK had not attended any concerts for 9 years in the academy and got awarded ; RG question the basis of award ;
Do you mean others don't work hard? The issue is as T M Krishna rightly pointed out there has always been brahminical hegemony and many talents are being neglected just because they are non-brahmins. Of course, we are least bothered about these two morons and their comments on TMK. They say he sings songs on Periyar. So what is your problem? What contribution you have done to your society but for squating on the stage during december season? You may refuse to attend the function, of course it is your liberty., the reason for the same is highly objectionable.
When they say 'the ecosystem', do they mean plants, animals and other organism or are they just talking about the carnatic world or the brahmanical hegemony? Love when we use new words to describe same old thing. A huge fan of the sisters and even now when I hear them sing, I am in awe but when they smile after their half-assed response, it's giving me president snow vibe from The Hunger Games film
Perfect answer
Agree. I mean the fact that they say the only ones criticising them are ‘placard holding activists who haven’t heard more than an hour of classical music in their whole lives’. Shows they superiority complex quite clearly. Shameful
@@nikitali5129perhaps it's because of those that actually bothered to send a letter to them about it. I don't think what they are doing is very well argued. But then again, I also don't care so much if others want to hold half assed opinions. So, despite being someone that listens to carnatic music a lot and having an opposing view on the subject, they don't know people like me exist?
Its just the stink is out in the open.
@@nikitali5129 I am not interfering your debate to protect something but genuinely to understand the naunces of raag music several hours of listening are even not sufficient. The sisters know the music and accordingly shown their generosity quoting just one hour as parameter.😊
Ranjani and Gayatri have just shown they are not just musical masters - but great intellectuals who can very convincingly put forth their point of view without getting entangled in emotions. Hats off to both of them !
Nobody knows them in the south. Simply publicity stunt
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They are musical masters. But definitely not intellectuals. Quite arrogant and causing drama.
Both of you are brilliant .a well articulated thoughts of yours..you said it right its sadhana indeed.connecting to our paramatma,and artists experience that and for some moments tranfer that to the listeners too Thats their skill and takes years of dedicated practice.you have every right to put your best foot forward.Good interview and both of you cleared the air around your decision.And not to exclude the anchor ,showed such maturity and cool calm ,composed and smiling. approach .just right ,made the show taste good.
These two do not deserve anyway I stand in support of Krishna ji . Music is universal and any body with talent and interest can learn music casteism should not be brought into any kind of music industry
Gayathri- not just in music, you are great at communication as well. Go girl, AmbaAl bless.
AI? Now bamanj taking blessing from AI as well??😜
@@nvspraneeth901you see it is AL and not AI right? Goddess Ambal? Heard of her?
@@nav_2709 heard of andal and amba not ambal.. maybe you abdool prey to ambal with capital A in between
What is the use.
She is still 100 years backward..
What she knows about Great revolutionary leader PERIYAR ...?
@@poorasamyamirthalingam4675 sorry Sir, you are not getting it, she is more progressive than the average politician fishing in caste waters for votes..
Vidushis your decision to boycott or withdraw from MMA programs certainly is the most wise, valid, tenable, sathwik, ethical, moral and courageous decision in support of the tradition and art of karnatak classical music. We expected in fact many more musicians to join the suit. Nevertheless as on date six brave ethical wise musicians have come out with similar decision as the tip of the ice berg of classical musicians. Kudos.
well carnatic roots comes from devdasi community. what do you know of its traditions or ethics when forefarthers from brahmin community stole their art and ostracized them ? Its sad to see that theres only one TMK who speaks the truth here. Rest is toxic exclusivity with no moral/ethical backing.
The roots of music go to Sama Veda and not to devadasi or any other community. Kindly read classical music texts like sampradaya pradarshini, venakatamakhi, sharangadeva to know the base. God bless.
@@mgchandrakanth Do these book track the trends pre-1600s ? Sama Veda like anyother Vedas didn't appear from the blue right ? It's evolved over time generation after generation through oral traditions? For sometime some studies say it was carried forward by the devdasi community followed by the Brahmin community until now.
@@AnirudhanMSso Veda’s was compiled yes. Sages complied the Veda’s. So what’s the issue again?
Please read Venakatamakhi, sharangadeva, sampradaya pradarshini, texts for history.
Appreciate the steps taken by The Print to let the other side speak after the lopsided " Brahmin meltdown " article.
Happy that a discussion is happening.
When I read "Brahmin Meltdown....." it was quite a jolt to the belief I held in "The Print's 'unhyphenated news reportage' or words to that effect and meaning used by Mr Shekhar Gupta. I had been an avid reader of 'India Today' for a long time..which is the reason for the my subscription to the Print ( paid or gratis). Now after Ms Shubhangi Misra's recent article ..."Brahmin Meltdown...." (2024) as well as an article villifying Brahmins from 2018 by Ms Shubhangi Misra in The Print....I am giving it some serious thought as to what form my membership of this channel ought to take...It has now become a moral imperative for me. That said...we are entitled to our opinions and narratives.
@@lawanyaarvind2810 the print has always been communist supporting, left leaning and anti sanatani publication despite gupta's sweet and erudite tongue and calm demeanor. I encourage all sanatanis to verify where their rupees dollars pounds or even minutes are going, and if the beneficiary is really unbiased as they claim.
@@aruns75 thanks so much for the inputs...migha nanri
@@lawanyaarvind2810 🙏🏼
Yesudas, with a Christian background has sung in Madras Academy.
He wasn't allowed to sing in guruvayoor for so many years
@@Saipradeepvangala
Entry in to Guruvayoor temple is restricted to Hindus only ok ? What is your problem ? There is a auditorium closer to temple , he can sing there
He is a rare exception. Ppl keep giving that one example as defence in 100 s of years 😅
and more over if you hear him talk or observe him he behaves like a Brahmin.
He should have been awarded the Sangeetha Kalanidhi for his 50+ year carnatic music career
carnatic music needs training for years and years..Instead of wasting time on unnecessary controversies let tmk concentrate on music and try teaching carnatic music to all sect without discrimination..as carnatic music or all types of music has no barriers and nobody has created any barrier as tmk says...There are many people from all relegion who pursue carnatic music nd sings well too ! So why this controversy? Let everyone comeforward nd learn music instead of wasting their time
Agree! This is time consuming and anxiety-inducing. 🤦🏻♀️
I am sorry are these sisters confused ?. in one breath they say award has nothing to do with TM Krishna social activism and they also say he is talented and deserves then why are you boycotting ?
You girls want change and break the casteism but you have families and cant do much. Thats ok but why are you stopping someone from recieving an award for his music talent only because he is an activists !!
Because he is disrespecting the Bhakti bhava of the same songs he gets clapped for😂
He sing raaama naa pai Neeku daya raadu
And in the next goes on to say who the bloody hell is Rama. Bullshit😂
Do you see why he is stupid.
He wants the claps and appreciations from singing Rama but out right rejects the existence of rama😂
Yes I also have the same question. I have learnt carnatic music and also attend concerts by both Raga and TMK. I don't understand why TMK should not be honoured for his talent. The ideological differences he has with many other artists has nothing to do with his inherent talent. Can anyone say he is not a good artist? No. Then why question the recognition being given to him for his talent.
@@shwethaprabhakar2854 tbf he is not great! There really were better options before him.
@@lakshmikrithika2521 That's your perception. Stalwarts in the field have recognised his worth. An artist's art may not have universal acceptance. You can see his fan following on his social media and in the comments of all his videos. But my point was that ideological differences should not be highlighted in recognition for one's art. It is just not the occasion. If they feel he is not a good singer, then fine. But their accusations are not related to his singing at all. That's my concern.
These sisters are brilliant in both music and devotion to Thyagaraja Dikshitar and Shyama and their traditions
Just because they sing well they are not allowed to speak nonsense. Let them keep their music to themselves , however brilliant they may be.
@@nareshgiridharan3122we aren't discussing TM Krishna...😂😂😂
@@nareshgiridharan3122 But TMK is allowed to bark as much as possible? So much for freedom of expression
You think they are talking nonsense? Unfortunate 😢@@nareshgiridharan3122
@@nareshgiridharan3122the problem arose because people started keeping the music to themselves. Now you hv a problem if they dissipate it also!
Enna saamy. What’s your problem😂
Sangeeta Karunanidhi
Sangeeta EVR Naicken award better for TM Chrishna
RA Ga have done Raja by raga concerts to take Carnatic music to larger audience. Why nobody is talking about it. Why hail only Krishna?
what they talking and what they expressing FEELS very FAKE.
Chowdiah-violin, Puttaswamiah-percussionist, Higgins-vocalist, MSS-vocalist, MLV-vocalist, KJJ-Vocalist, Devendrappa-vocalist, Mahadevappa-violinist, Mysuru Nagaraj-violinist, Mysuru Manjunath-violinist, Sheshappa-percussionist
Numberless-All these persons are not brahmins. They are great by dint of their sadhanas, excepting an idiot by name krishnan, who doesn't want to know the greatness of our music.
As regards the point that Brahmins have been dominating Carnatic music field, it is factually incorrect. There have been and there are doyens from non Brahmin community...eg
The great Nagaswara Chakravarthy T N Rajarathnam pillai leading that group with Thiruvengadu subramania pillai, p s veeruswami, nachiyarkovil Raghava pillai 10:43 and plenty of thavil vidwans,mridangam pazhani Subramania pillai and a host of others, chittoor Subramania pillai, Madurai Somu, in recent times, jesudas,TMSoundararajan, sirkhazhi Govindarajan..have all populRised through cinema too to laymen. So" Brahmins have dominated" argument does not hold water.
There are `1000s if not lakhs of Nadaswaram artists who are not Brahmins. In fact, it is even more difficult if not the most difficult and most melodious musical instrument in the world. People do not respect the Nadaswaram artists nor that art form. May be it is changing, but it needs more recognition.
I think that's a wrong notion.
So many Nadaswaram artists are well respected and admired.
It's very much natural that vocalists get more recognition because they drive most concerts, not because they're Brahmins.
Hatred comes out. Brahmin’s fault? Temples should encourage the nadaswaram artists, instead of being swindled! HRCE should be closed and the management of temples should be handed over to people. Find some other thing to vent out your anger, suggest corruption!
The mostttt famous lady nadaswaram is not even hindu😂
So much for Brahmin hatred.
I actually wonder where that lady learnt.
@@lakshmikrithika2521 I agree. Sheikh Chinna Moulana is a muslim. His music is played in many temples in TN every morning regularly. His guru Shri Masthan Saheb was given the title "Naada Brahmam". TN Rajaratnam Pillai is the Jambavaan of Nadaswaram with no parallel what so ever. The chennai music circle is deaf to all these artists it seems like.
@@prabhubharathan just atheistic propaganda
They are from Bombay who came to Tamilnadu to make money. They do not like TMK being inclusive. His family is in music for generations. Simply jealous. Obvious from their tone. Let them get lost...
Award is not be all and end all of music. Music academy is losing its value.
I support RaGa sisters in their boycott of MMA season this year
Present your peetaka slowly with kess wirds i say talkig speedily is not language
This interview did not get to anywhere
THESE TWO SISTERS SHOULD NOT BE SINGING THUKARAM MAHARAJ JI'S ABHANGS IN MUMBAI AS WHAT HE CONVEYS THROUGH HIS MUSICAL OUTPOURINGS IS NOT VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT SHRI TM KRISHNA JI SAYS
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100%
Why not, the sisters respect different art forms and are careful saying that no one should hurt or be hurt in the process.
Stop blabbering.
Ranjani and Gayatri did present their views very well. Kudos
lmao no they didn't.
Well done RAGA sisters. I hope other senior musicians of madras also join your stand and boycott this "good for nothing" Music Academy 's present management, who are not even a pale shadow of the people at the helm of affairs in the Academy way back in the mid late 1960s , 1970s and 1980s. Shame on them for having brought this whole issue to this point of disgust. We music lovers, who have been coming down to madras every December- January will jointly boycott the Academy 's programme ensuring it to be a total washout and a flop show. Kudos to both of you for the courage shown in initiatiating this commendable move against --- you know what!!!
In one sentence madame Ranjani says "we are all doing our bit", but apparently there is no time due to the demands of making money from carnatic music and teaching it to your own families? So doing our bit is doing little to nothing it seems. Why do they not wake up in the morning to think of how to help others? Came to this interview with hope, leave feeling that the hegemony is likely to persist.
the primary duty of an artist is to practice and deliver enjoyable concerts for the listeners! By simply keeping the artform alive, they are preserving it's rich tradition and heritage for generations to come. They are also teaching many students. That is what they meant by "doing their bit". They do not need to do anything beyond that. They are not politicians or social workers who need to "do" anything beyond that to reach music to anyone! It is available for all, if they want to enjoy/learn, especially in this day and age of the internet and social media. it is job of the organizers and sabhas like the music academy to make arrangements to encourage more to listen.
Well what have you done about it? What gives you the moral authority to tell them what to do? Stop parrating the talking points of those who seek to divide for power...think clearly
@@shaliniramji Well said, the folks who parrot the talking points of political theives need to feel ashamed and start to think for themselves
What has periyar and the rest of political theives done to any of the native art forms or the temples here or even the tamil language? All of the human progress in all of the above has been through one doing one's duty & sadhana while being welcoming of everyone..not by scoring points over others and name calling..if there is a problem, address it, not capitalize on it for cheap goals..
Carnatic music will remain the same even after this incident. The only thing now visible is people are ready to blame Brahmins for all things happening around.Let mrKrishna explain what are the efforts he has taken for left out people to learn Carnatic music we will be happy and thank him
Hats off to you sisters! A professor from U S has brought out the point about the urgency in announcing this, months in advance and that too to coincide with the elections. It gives the impression that mount road mahavishnu is all out to support the anti brahminical dravida parties. Apart from your knowledge, I admire your expressions. Gone are the days when Brahmins were quiet. Today , you have proved that women from the community can counter effectively
fact- it so happens that this "so-called one community" kids work harder and longer than the average kid in this field -and great parental support. They are generally from a middle o r lower middle class background, unlike TM Krishna who comes from a rich powerful and elite family. Print- get your act together and not be shallow.
😂
True.
Music didn’t make money earlier so communities had no inclination to learn.
But suddenly since music became a business everybody wants to learn and ace it in a day not knowing that sometimes it takes generations for a star to come out😊
Where the ladies stand, for casteism or musi?. Music is divine.. But your intention is not beyond doubt..
At 7.15, the interviewer says tmk is fighting for including other communities. Whom is he fighting ? Who is opposing inclusion ? Is there any evidence to prove opposition to inclusion ? If tmk decides to teach only non Brahmins ( in place of Brahmins whom he is teaching at present ) who will resist it ? Let him test it.
Madeas Sanskrit College started by brahmins open to all.
K j yesudas has learnt carnatic music.
Bharathanatyam all caste people learning already
Not because of periyar e.v.ramaswamy
It is not a Brahmin property. Bharat natyam was a non Brahmin origin art form. Even carnatic music was pioneered by the local inhabitants of South India not Brahmins. Even Shanmugha Vadivu from Madurai a Tamil girl from the Devadasi family popularly called as MS Subbulakshmi was a great legend.
Please don’t call him Priyar.
I am a rasika and i fully support your decision. At all the time you sing in the sabhas except music academy, you can count my presence.
Who is to bell the cat? Someone has to - sometime it does happen. As, in this case.
Denigrating Hinduism and Brahmin community has been the strategy used by the 'so-called Atheists of Tamil Nadu to safeguard their interests and better their position and power.
Previously it was Karnatic song against film-song and these lot used to cry hoarse upholding film-son as the better one. Then came Super singer, SariGamaPa and other such music programmes and competitions in Television channels where the judges would say, 'This is Shadjamam, That is Madhyamam, even for a cabaret dance. So it became evident that Karnatic music is the basis of all kinds of Music down South. Unable to stomach this they have now started to say that Karnatic music is in fact taken from 'Tamil Isai. Thus they go on.
Mouthing such high-sounding terms as Equality, Reform, etc., anybody can voice all irrelevant things about this art-form.
The Tamil writers who feel dutybound to give their opinions(of course unasked) on this issue should look within and think for a moment how it would make them feel enraged if an alternate magazine is compared with a pop-magazine.
It is an open fact with proofs to substantiate that Periyar did denigrate the Brahmin community in the worst possible manner.
If Periyar had said many other positive things with reformist zeal, why can't they be highlighted and propagated by those who hail him as the harbinger of reforms in Tamil Nadu(which is at best only partly true)? Instead, it is these lot who profess themselves to be the loyalists of Periyar who use his name only for demeaning Hinduism and Brahmins.
And, mostly these lot target the middle-class and lower-middle class Brahmins while maintianing a cordial relationship with powerful and influential Brahmins who are the self-chosen champions of progessive ideas which mostly sound as those of pseudo-progressives.
Divide and Rule Policy is still very much in vogue, by the powers-that-be of Tamil Nadu, to say the least. And, it is realy nice to see that these power-centres and hatemongers are made answerable, at least once in a blue moon.
//Singing the glory of Lord Rama and also of he who garlanded him with chappals is unthinkable// said Dushyanth Sridhar which gives in a nutshell what the issue is all about.
The sisters are not only great singers but also in very good communicating what is right ..they belive...me too endorse their point of view..
Jai carnatic music jai vaggayakaras and exponents too.
I think all our Tamil brahmin brother should emigate to the USA. to escape from the devious machinations of the Tamil lower classes
Please do
Please leave as soon as possible
Poi thola da
OMG - she is not an expert of Periyar BUT she knows that the facts she is claiming is truth because its factual proven on SOCIAL MEDIA! girl please, do your research - sounds like I am watching republican candidates talking about how wonderful Trump is. What is happened to the world (obviously being dramatic)
Will print question in the same way t.m.krishna. or atleast n. Murali head of music academy
Why this award has announced it so early before election?😅😅
Ranjani Gayathri chapter is over. All the best!!!
Should we boycott their concerts? They seem to want to play only for their tambram friends.
Well explained separatists are always there to create problems thinking speaking about social service
Support fully r&g
Wonderful decision by the sisters! The award is a disgrace to us all.
Why disgrace? Is TMK a very bad Musician that Academy's choice is wrong? Please remember the award is for the Musician one is not for one's religious or political stand. By saying this the sisters not only show their intolerance to opinion other than theirs but prove that what TMK said is true.
@@sandhyabalachandrankartha4671funny 😂😂😂
@@sandhyabalachandrankartha4671 Sandhya, you can't remove the religion from the music. Carnatic music as called in the English vernacular is a representation of devotion that is said to have sprung from Lord Shiva himself. Somebody that actively goes out of his way to demean the religion, foster hate against a certain community and not understanding the core principles of his great art does not deserve any recognition and we cheapen awards by associating them with people like this.
@@sandhyabalachandrankartha4671 There is a story where after his performance singing a bhajan about Bhagavan Shri Krishna, someone came up to him and complimented him by saying: 'Sir, When you sang, I heard Sakshat Bhagavan Shri Krishna'. And his response was something to the effect of What nonsense are you talking about, Ive sang this song plenty of times, I've never seen any Krishna here. Clearly the man has no appreciation for the roots or origins of his great art and all of this is just shameful...
Respect musicians for music but not for anti Hindu and anti divisive and anti Brahmin. God will not save you
awesome sisters. big fan of their guts to take a stance and musical excellence
Presentation of clasical raag music as musician and enjoing it as listener; may be as amateur listener or connoisour I think is linked with personal choice towards own liking and nature and should not be mixed with socializing it irrespective of choices, likings and instincts of the masses because individuality prevails.
Support only TMK, Any people interested in music can enjoy it and not a monopoly for sny people
Tell same to TMK too who plays the victim card
Why … it got created in this land , it stands on the literature and sahithyam of this land , it belongs to this land , its people and the dharma of this land … go get lost
@@swethab6572 so you think he understands it
Lets assume for a moment everyone agrees with TMK qnd MMA award; and he is hqppily educating underprivileged kids in Carnatic music. What problem is he solving the country today? Are they going to get better jobs? Are all of them getting better life? The only outcome is publicity for TMK because he is anti brahmin. And the anti-sanatan The Print, The Wire and The Hindu making noise for their own mileage and cheap agenda.
The interviewer mentions his contribution to the fisherman community as if he has moved mountains…!! 😂😂
I wonder really how many kids there in that community are really learning the music , first they hv to learn it as an interest and then only after that , once that generation pursues other jobs and earn money while they still keep singing .. after that only , the next generation will take up this art form as a profession. Else what will they do .. sing concerts to the fishes in the sea…?????😂
@@swethab6572 I agree but tbh what the kids do is their prerogative. The point of controversy is TMK is supporting the downtrodden and lifting them up, so he is the hero and his opposers are villains. I just want to know what exactly he has changed in the downtrodden peoples life to make their lives better, and how (as per him) brahmins taking up carnatic music prevents the downtrodden from improving their quality of life and get respect in their society. If some one can ask the interviewer this, i'd be happy.
@@aruns75 agreed …. !!
But this is the irony .., we didn’t speak for all this time and this narrative is juicing cooked up . Today everyone believes a hypocrite like TMK !!🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
He is a musician dumbo... ask the government about jobs and providing better life. you don't have those guts!!. He is not anti brahmin he is pro equality. Yes he teaches Carnatic music for the underprivileged and is asking everyone else to open their doors for everyone regardless of caste. what is wrong with that ?
I liked their music but these ladies have exposed their shallowness & prejudice . Bye bye.
Well said my sisters! On the question of awards as inclusion its frankly a stupid question that comes from the reservation culture that is ruining our country, diluting meriocracy is not inclusion. Empowering for meritocracy is inclusion. The govts over the decades since indepenence have collectively & consistently failed in ensuting this "empowering everyone for meritorcary" which is a long game requring quiet, painstaking grassroots work. Reservation was meant (by the founders) to be a temporary patch while this aforementioned work gets into high gear, but it never did & the political theives used it for their narrow power needs & today we have a huge problem of employability that we talk about where people have forgot that they need to aspire for meritocracy & instead are begging after manipulative politicians for endless reservation...wonder where & how this is all going to ehd..
mrinalini, good that you were listening to them, music is form if sadhna. It takes years and years of practice. You know why is Brahmin, it is one who does learning, tapasya. It can be anyone. Anyone from any community who works hard, spends hours and hours into learning this Carnatic music then he or she can become knowledgeable person called Brahmin. Not caste but varna. Who takes atoon. Enough of dena of attacking Brahmin. No one aha right to insult artists and music. TM krishna is vicious person and insulted hindua
Wonderful decision.
Totally contradicting and deflecting
Excellent interview...The interviewer and the interviewee....unhurried, yet informative....Me and my wife are huge admirers of the wonderful duo...have been fortunate to hear them live many times...(more than one hour!)….Ilayaraaja was not entirely welcome initially.... Now, widely accepted for his work in widening the musical base of fans/rasikas...Dr Krishna's musical nous is not in question...It is his method of popularizing it... Right? The sisters consciously avoided talking about Dr Krishna's musical brilliance....Why?
Raga sisters
You have to mention your own initiatives like
Raga by Raja
Rasa by Raga
Etc
To prove your point better
You are already involved in transformative efforts
To the interviewer, they came on for this interview because they felt that they needed to use a democratic platform to defend their inclusionary views, however well masked they are. It was your job to not smile through every answer just to move onto the next one. Holding feet to fire. Holding thoughts to trial. I’m surprised by the questions that weren’t asked(you can reply if you want to know what they were). Truly dissatisfying but I do see your heart is in the right place.
Summary of Ranjani-Gayathri' misguided logic
1. Brahminical hegemony is present due to reasons that we enjoy (aka privileges)
2. 10 years is enough period to bring chnage and TMK couldn't bring it, so its all publicity hoax
3. We are happy to welcome people into this community and get more people to listen to us singing (they never said others could sing, only listen)
4. Activists are people who has listened to less than 1 hour of carnatic music rendition in their whole life.
5. You shoud pursue music only for music, says the two women who campagned for the BJP, sang songs to bring back Modi.....(there's more)
6. Genocide? Really? You sing praises of Modi's bulldozer government but some comment against brahminism (not brahmins) you have a problem with?
Understand your hypocrisy ladies.
If they “ welcome diversity and various ideologies” I’m not sure why they withdrew?
Ideology does not imply hatred of musical Trinity
@@mgchandrakanthWhere do you derive hatred of Trinity from Krishna
TMK did in fact criticise the trinity. The very fact that he sang in praise of EVR clearly establishes the fact that he has scant respect for the trinity and its a blasphemy emanating from him. Everyone knows how EVR took a procession denigrating Lord Sri Ram and used filthy language against our Gods. TMK’s singing in praise of such blasphemous character is proof of his hypocrisy
@@vadularama2977 Have you ever asked him for his point of view on why he did that - or did you decide to be judge and jury and crucify him. Do you coexist as an Indian with other citizens that place EVR on a pedestal or according to you should they all just die and disappear because of that one singular feature. We must learn to be tolerant once again and take things with a pinch of salt. For every human, the likelihood that they said or did something in their life that you do not agree with is likely to be 100%.
That leads to the issue of can anybody learn for eg vocal music? Please try. If one can't match the pitch, can't go further. Can that one blame the guru and bring all other discrimination here? That will be sinful.
You nailed it Ranjani and Gayatri.what clarity in your thoughts.
I still dont get what they are protesting. Are they mad cos he got the award? Through the entire conversation they dont make clear what are they objecting to. Why keep referring to the letter? Why not be honest n speak out here?
Did TM Krishna propagate & teach carnatic music even to Sangeetha Kalanidhi Sheik Chinna Moulana in the last century? Did upper caste Hindus ever stop or disrespect Sangeetha Kalanidhi Sheik Chinna Moulana in any forum in his music journey?
Why Urban Naxal TM Krishna is raising caste discrimination issue? Is it part of DMK agenda to eradicate the Sanatana Dharma from Tamilnadu?
The question about TM krishna award also is secondary and takes a backseat but what is good about this issue is that THE BRAHMIN domination is very subtle and needs to be addressed.
Wind up this academy dominated by nastikas, which has been polluted and make your own parallel academy to maintain the sanctity of our musical and spiritual heritage.
There is no need to put more pressure on these sisters than they are in already! She made herself clear there is
No mincing of words ! Think about it this way! Writing gana songs and dancing therukoothu belongs to a particular “ecosystem” or caste! No one is fighting with them for inclusion because interested person is always welcome to learn similarly any person interested to learn Carnatic music will have full access to the art form. There is no need to hold placards and do activism for seeking attention. The sisters are repeatedly saying the same. If TMK has made efforts for 10 years there should be at least one student of his performing in known spaces! On the contrary there are many lesser known Carnatic music teachers teaching this art form for all people irrespective of their origin! I am one of them and proud of it! All my students are music lovers, I have no clue what community they are from. If you are really inclusive you will do the job quietly without throwing blasphemy at some community to appease some other community !
QUOTE:
"Whereever there was a holy place in South India there was widespread venereal disease (sexually transmitted disease). Four fifths of the affected were brahmin women"
Page 110-111 of the 1924 year book The Dravidian Element in Indian Culture by Gilbert Slater (Madras University Professor 1924)
UNQUOTE
Whether Raga sisters are right or wrong, that is not the question. The award will only make TNK stronger and he will upgrade his attacks on the carnatic music and it's practitioners. Music Academy has done a big mistake. In future senior vidwans and vidhishis will either be compelled to support him or suffer indignation in silence.
TNK? 😁 The violin maestro is no more.
Not connected with TMK Music Academy issue,why not Tamil Nadu musicians allot more time in each concert to sing Tamil songs,this was expressed by Mr.Suresh Krishna from TVS group.There should be a revival of Tamil Isai movement.
Sir , please let us know the instance where TMK has attacked on carnatic music .
@@nareshgiridharan3122 By raising his voice for victims of "me too " allegation victims !LOL
@@nareshgiridharan3122he has criticized famous figures like MS Amma and Thyagarajaswami, he supports Periyaristic ideologies and he pays no heed to Sahithya
Artists should be happy they have audience at their concerts. If you talk about Bhava and Rafika’s and all these divisions, I also like some other Voices like Sanjay Subhramanyam more than T.M.Krishna’s voice.Between Ranjani and Gayithri, I feel Ranjani has more Bhava than Gayithri. Gayithri has a high voice but not the Bhava of Ranjani. But I enjoy both their singing. Let’s get rid of the cast system and let truly gifted voices enthrall us.
The fact that Dushyant and Vishaka are together here is about brahminical hedgemoney
Kerala haas killed our mellam which is only used in tamilnadu government a nd minister welcome meetings and other functions.why not they promote mellam and nadadwaram only in tamilnadu! ! ! !
Is it just me or do their false smiles actually make them look scary? When she says "eco-system" I have an uneasy feeling that she is talking about the caste system. And just a reminder, you don't need to listen to classical music to protest against social injustices that are happening in the classical music field. That is the lamest and most arrogant response to a topic of such serious concern. Nowhere do they say that they will at-least try do some soul searching or fact finding to correct flaws.
The grand artistes views are true.even by tmk in his very soundy views on karnatic music for this person music is only a construct of sounds ie organized noise he diesnt day thevbasis as feeling ot emotion or flowery imagination or poetry. Let him know that ss per vedalakshana swaras are sounds of emotion of animals and when humans add emotion to it noise becomes music Sangita is bhava in sound let him start studies under a guru
These two sisters are annoyingly fake. Not sure what is more annoying. Their fake humility or their unrighteousness?
Traitors to the caste will not be tolerated.
Where are the other musicians ?? There are many seniors like Sudha Raghunathan, Sanjay Subramaniam etc . Are they only trying to protect their career interests and are willing to stomach insults like these?
They are beyond these confusing controversies.
People from other faiths and non beleivers can have little space as the temples offer no place , ara nilai thurai is a good place to start for admission against constitution and the owner of the temple as GOD. Owners of the academies are all investors including MS AMMA and all the artists who comes and teaches for no to little fees and have run free shows to improve music and culture on charoty to improve arts and education with no bills offered for government support . The music college a government onitiative is a good place to be temembered for clean up.though there might be some rare tenders for funding to happen and make l public news for isai vellalar brahmins mridangam makers and players importantly parai and players for nomination and encouragement for more part time and fulk time players for a record
Why are they fake smiling? If TM Krishna calls a spade a spade, what is your issue?
Also listen to Kalamandalam Late Hyderali Sir 🙏… for interested listeners..
There is nothing inclusive about your ideas. Stop pretending
We need clarity on what the "eco system" is.
More power to both for standing against adharmic voices
Castist, classist, elitist.
I was a fan of ranjani gayatri, very much a 'real listener' and a rasika like they said, and have heard not one but numerous concerts of theirs but after this drama, I'm happy to keep myself out of their 'ecosystem'.
The thing is reservation is not a substitute for years of perseverance, dedication, and hard work in classical art forms. Yeh agar nahee hai tho nahee ho payega re baba, sorry.
Ilaiyaraja a dalit, outclassed all the brahmins. So only opportunity matters. Music has no religion or caste or race.
@@sonar451 Your statement makes no sense. No classical singer sings ilayaraja film songs in the classical concerts. They have a massive treasure to fall back on, they were originally trained on for years.
Why would a classical singer go looking for film songs in a classical music concert- beats me. Illayaraaja values his hindu roots unlike periyar followers who call for genocide of hindus and insult hindu gods. Periyar followers should go to periyar school of music. Yesudas did due diligence and learnt classical carnatic music - he didnt go around garlanding lord rama in chappal.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion so Raga sisters as well as commenters are to theirs. But so is TM Krishna. He is proposing a different viewpoint towards Carnatic music which he believes would result in larger outreach and acceptance by masses from all walks of life. Would that be really bad. The entire point is to take away the familial and community background from the equation and instead focus on the real practice and spiritual aspects of music. One sided discussions are piling up on UA-cam whereas it would be more balanced if someone representing Krishna is also speaking live at the same time.
These two sisters reek of arrogance and superiority
What arrogance? I, me, myself, blah blah.
Stupid controversy and opinion making.
The Haul mark of great ness in any art form is becoming more and modest as one scales higher in their achievements
That is missing with TMK
His assertion that Karnatik music is Brahminical is a big lie .
I don't know in Tamil Nadu but Andhras all way respected musicians like Dwaram Naidu garu ,Annavarapu among host of other great musicians in all kinds,light clasical, cine.Artists are respected irrespective of caste.Tamil nadu is unique.They rever Rogues like EVR also who is Evil personified
Slowly this poison will spread to neighbouring Andhra , Karnataka … stay aware…
Madras music academy has conveniently overlooked or wilfully kept away from the public domain the basic fact that TM Krishna is neither invited nor honoured by Christians or Muslims or Dalits in musical events featuring talented artists from their community.
Na ghar ka na ghaat ka. Even today only the Brahmin community overlooks such errors and pays willingly to listen to his extraordinary music! Anyone can be nice. Only some can be kind. The Brahmin community is always the latter ! 😄 Sooner or later he has to realize - ppl who preserve tradition will also own it at some point.
It will be interesting if he also asks for reservation for Brahmins in politics just like he is asking for inclusivity in music. Brahmins are in Severe minority in politics. When is he going to start that movement?
Music is universal, its for Peace unity, strength,knowledge a good health & bring all humans with Unity Peace. In Music no place for 'Casteism hate & himsa😅
Periyar married his own foster daughter, propagated genocide of Brahmins. The DMK ideology is against Hindus. The Carnatic music highlights religious hymns whereas DMK is against. This politics has been brought into the music academy. These great musicians cannot be aggressive and say that. Annamalai does it