so pete rock took a song and just added drums to it, and claimed puffy stole his beat??? lol, they didnt even sample, they straight up used the whole song smh
The original song that was sampled sampled by Puff Daddy and his crew is way better anyways not just because it's an original creation but in general it's just better and that's coming from me someone who likes the Notorious B.I.G.'s music and from early 2000 generation
You guys have to understand how HipHop evolved. The genius laid within the sample selection and vocal match up. Sometimes the crates gave you a slam dunk is all. Don’t down play a process that ran music for 30 years, lol.
I think it’s interesting to point out how Pete Rock is ingrained into the song. The fact that he did the original beat, and how Biggie mentions Heavy D and Marley Marl in the lyrics
Easy Mo Bee has also complained about Diddy taking credit for his beats. I believe one time Diddy said “YEAH!” over Mo Bee’s beat and said “Ok, I added that change. I’m one of the producers now.”
It was the “Flavor In Ya Ear” remix Mo Bee was referring to I believe. It was basically Mo Bee’s original beat, but Diddy and Chucky Thompson took credit dubiously.
@@PaulPawlPall D-Dot and nem did the same thing to Kanye West. Kanye produced that "Get Money" beat and other songs for Bad Boy records in the mid to late '90s. But they want to use the "executive producer" position claim credit for actual musical production and beat-making.
In 1989 so I don't get why so many people are mad. In the late 80s/early 90s this is how Rap records were actually made. Not really original but Rap back then was take some dope instrumental and rap over it.
@@rikkidgermano9640 Because Diddy stole Pete Rock's idea. He didn't decide to use the sample out of inspiration, he saw an opportunity to make a lot money and did Pete Rock's idea before he had the chance to. If Pete Rock were to release his beat on someone else's song soon after, despite having the idea first, he would've been criticised as unoriginal. Not to mention Biggie's song would've overshadowed it anyway like it did with the "remix". I genuinely never knew Pete Rock had a version of the song until today.
@@rikkidgermano9640 no one’s mad, just spreading the knowledge. In fact, it just goes to show you. You wanna rock a sample, rock it. Heads will remember who did it best.
I remember reading about this years ago and thinking, 'yeah that sounds like something Puff would do' The interview I read Pete talks about how the beat was playing along with the records he sampled from were layed out on the table.
Notorious b1 stole the juicy song from a female rapper that came out in 1992. Same exact beat. Same exact flow and cadence. Check it out! music.ua-cam.com/video/irB9lg4jJUM/v-deo.html&si=BG9YgTyxgfqcC2D0
I think he really jacked the idea from Pete. There’s probably a thousand songs we could find of some local artist who used a sample first that nobody ever heard.
@@JaybLive95 Oh indeed lol especially considering "Juicy Fruit" was a well known Hot 100 charting song itself. I figure, what's more likely... that they heard some tape from an unknown-to-NY rapper in Mississippi that came less than 2 years earlier? Or that Puffy (who was raised in Mt Vernon) heard Pete Rock (who was also raised in Mt Vernon) sampling and said he wanted to take that, take that....
Dre Dog aka Andre Nickatina from the Bay Area used the sample on the song the ave back 93. Need to give Nickatina some credit too for using that dope sample before Biggie.
I wish you would have mentioned the situation with " We Got The Jazz " by A Tribe Called Quest . Pete Rock was using the Green Dolphin Street sample to make his own track , when Tip heard it in his basement . Towards the end of the song he says " Pete Rock for the beat you don't stop "
Notorious B1's story has a few holes in it, given the beat was stolen from Pete Rock and Biggie was referred to as The Notorious BIG as early as 1992. But even discounting that. I appreciate the work behind digging the crates, but let's face it: None of the producers can really talk about stealing, when they use a snippet from an already existing song, not to mention the tendency of not clearing it in the 90's.
I prefer trackmasters staying true to the original mtume version. The juicy fruit drums are perfect as is, pete rock adding his own drum pattern throws off the whole beat imo.
So, the reason I don't buy Notorious B1's story because A) Biggie was credited as The Notorious B.I.G. in The Source in 1992, and B) they didn't take the song from Notorious B1 because they actually took it from Pete Rock, LOL (and I don't think he stole it from B1 either). Also, there's video's of Biggie on the corner rapping how he raps on Juicy YEARS before ANY of this was going on.
No one is gonna respond to you. They already have their minds made up and will continue to run with this narrative no matter how much evidence there is against it.
@@vintagesince96 THANK YOU!!! A whole bunch of people latched onto the B1 theory, but it really doesn’t hold much weight. A lot of reaching going on for what seems to be a strange coincidence and nothing more. The Source Unsigned Hype column makes it seem more likely that B1 jacked his alias from Biggie.
Exactly, it’s just dudes from the south trying to discredit legends from the East that were pushing that b.s. narrative, it’s the same type of ninjas that say Nas had ghost writers and Jay-Z is only known in NY! 😂
Also, where was the outrage in Mississippi? If he was a local artist that came up with the song first, then the DJ's in that area when B.I.G. dropped would have been pretty vocal about the issue. I went to college in the South with many people from Mississippi in the mid 90's and not one mentioned this B1 dude coming out before Biggie. But we're supposed to believe that Puffy heard and jacked the song somehow when nobody in his own state knew who he was at the time? If B1 wanted to fool people, he should have said he pushed a demo to Puff and it got jacked. But his claim that his song was released and on the airwaves, and that Puff somehow heard the song, and re-pacakaged it as a Biggie track, hold no water.
Everything you just said is a lie... How do I know??? I was one of the producers on the B1 project... Puff had ties to the Source Magazine and when they put us in the Unsigned Hype column our song got jacked from there... stop spreading lies young buck... our copyright is a whole year before Biggie's version...
Puff stole the "Crush on You" sample from us. Me and my boy both worked in a hotels. Puff was here in Atlanta staying at Swiss 'otel and my homeboy put our cassette tape in Puff's hand! 2 months later - "Crush On You" came out with our sample that was that cassette.
@@misterhappy5462 Nah, we knew we didn't have a leg to stand on. We had just recorded it and considered it our most commercially ready song. Nothing was copywrited or anything like that. We were making an album. So we gave Puff 3 or 5 songs. Our though process was: "If he didn't sign us to Bad Boy, maybe he'd offer our producer a deal. Either way, one of "us" would be in the game". We all agreed: "If he (our producer) could make 1 song that sounds like a hit, then surely he could make many more. So instead of stealing, why not put him on?" that was our line of thinking. He (our producer) found the sample simply by digging in the crates. It was such a rare loop... and it was on our demo that he (our producer) gave Puff, personally. Puff, straight jacked us.
That's how they do, yo... that's why you gotta be careful in how you handle your music. Puffy is a proud thief, too, because he basically said that since record companies have been doing that to artists forever, he's going to keep doing it to his artists. Why change?
Let’s Talk About: Puff Used The Same Sample Not The Premise Of The Song. B1 Was Talking About Some Of “Big Belly Man” BS & BIG Was Talking About Rags To Riches . It Was Kinda An Ode To Hip-Hop
You did a great job with the video very educational and I’ve been telling people for years that they stole that song from the guy from Mississippi so I’m glad you’re telling them. It only took 20 something years later but people to listen but I’m glad you have a bigger platform thenMy Little just calling people and be like man I know where this song came from.
Love your page and your work in general. Puffy didn't steal any beats here. He copied an idea. Stole an idea, even. PR's version is cool - but let's put our hip hop purist sensibilities aside... The PR Remix version would not have allowes Juicy to go gold. The trackmasters version was the model for most of those "take hits from the 80s, but make it sound so crazy" jiggy era beats... They were radio friendly and accessible for the masses in a way that straight ahead boom bap was not. There's a reason why Pete and guys like him never became bigger - they were saddled by these esoteric rules on production.
explained perfectly. pete rock was for us 90's boom bap heads during the week--and puffy (good or bad) brought in the jiggy era. for those of us wearing dress pants at the club on the weekend. good times.
@@misterhappy5462 EXACTLY!!!!!! Nobody was making babies to Straighten It Out or Fakin Jax on a Saturday night... And if they were, then your lady smelled of nag champa and natural deodorant and she looks like Rah Digga or Khia now. Everybody was out at the clubs vibing to that jiggy sh*t.
I see you did that purposely "Obviously" The September 13th thing and today.....On top of the knowledge you just threw into my nogen was greatly appreciated. 🤯🤓 I'm a music geek and that was dope AF 💯💪🏽
Since you brought up Notorious B1, why not bring up WRECKS-N-EFFECT - "JUICY" that was release in 1989!? the first use of the sample in hip hop as far as i know
Puffy stole alot of stuff from people in general. That was his style. He'd call it a "remix" but essentially he'd take other people's songs, beat, lyrics & run with it.
Yep. At the same part of the video I also cracked up when he started throwing out all his names. Puffy, Diddy, etc…. “Whatever you want to call him in 2024.”That was low key a Diddler reference. 🤣
That's what he did back then. "Hey Az" became the "Honey" remix for Mariah, Mystidious Misfits - Upside Down beacame "Rock da party" remix for Lyte. That's his MO
So many people in denial. Listen to that Notorious B1 joint a few times. The way the voice goes, the cadence on the track. Biggie did it better but he and Puff got shiesty and jacked a regional track from the year before that they thought no one would know, stealing elements of the flow along with the sample and the name. People were getting ripped off left and right back then, I was in NY and in the industry. So many people were acting cutthroat and doing each other dirty.
I just can't listen to it anymore. Needs about 80yrs in the "Vault"! I work with a 65 yr old pastry chef whom is also a classically trained string instrumentalist, not a rap fan at all, and he knows the dam lyrics. That's the definition of "Played Out".
You got a few things wrong Wrex n affect sampled Juicy fruit in 89, if you go back to the march 1992 unsigned hype column of the source magazine Biggie was already using the name notorious or even his 92 demo track "Biggie got the hype" and lastly the hook to big poppa was sampled from a verse Biggie did in 93 on a remix with supercat song dolly my baby
I love the way you break down music. I’m signing up for your Patreon so I can get a deeper dive and also hear more of this music. Thanks for all you do.
I remember the year BIG came out with BIG POPPA, there was like 10 other songs out that has the same Isley Bros sample. I think Puff jacked the beat from the Mississippi cat at 1993 Jack the Rapper.
While we're breaking down the conspiracy theories, it's significant to note that on September 13, 1994, Biggie Smalls delivered his first studio album Ready To Die and on September 13, 1996, rapper Tupac Shakur was pronounced dead, six days after being attacked in a drive-by shooting in Las Vegas.
Wait a minute, are we acting like we didn't know this beat was sampled? Like you said, this shit is from 1983 and Biggie's song was 10/11 years later. And the shit is called, "Juicy". And the original song is called "Juicy Fruit. Y'all is wilding fuh real!
The album version is a better song than the pete rock remix. The notorious B1 song not even worth mentioning. Wrecks n effect sampled the same song years before him. Big was also called Notorious BIG in the source unsigned hype. No stealing going on they just sampled the same song. Thats like the funky drummer loop being claimed by public enemy over the 100 artists who used it.
Puffy, nor the Trackmasters pulled that sample first. Dre Dog out of SF sampled Juicy Fruit by Mtume back in 1992. If you think that's just a coincidence, on Dre Dog's same album (the new jim jones) that he first sampled Juicy Fruit, he also sampled the Isley's, the same sample for "big poppa". Like Pac said, Biggie is the East Coast's version of a West Coast rapper.
Lol. While it is indeed TECHNICALLY pronounced the way it’s spelled MARLey MARL. But in hip hop it’s spoken as MALLY MALL. 👈🏾🤷🏾♂️ We don’t pronounce the “R”’s
Biggie said "I love it when you call me Big Poppa" on Dolly my Baby's remix, which I believe also came out in 93, so the Big Poppa thing is also purely coincidence. Insane that Notorious B1 exists, I had no idea.
Pete Rock version was too busy for me. Definitely wouldn't have liked it as much. There is so much theft in the industry. Looks, names, songs, styles, etc. The big fish steal from the small fish, and in the age before the internet, they could get away with it. Not anymore.
I grew up in CT in the 90's. My friend's father was a public defender in NYC and he told me that they had a file on puffy inches thick. I always assumed he was just being gossipy, apparently not.
Ironically the song Puffy stole is called Big Daddy. Notorious BIG & Puff Daddy. So they stole the name of the song too and literally made a name for themselves out of it 😂
If you listen to the Dre dog album “the new Jim jones” 1993. He uses the juicy beat the big papa best and refers to hisself as puff daddy. Coincidence I think not.
I agree The Pete Rocks version is better however it wasn't marketable for commercial sales. And this coming from someone who is a boom bap fan. That Mtume itself gives him more exposure with a high cost
I don't think any of those thieves deserve props. They have no talent or creativity. The real talent and creativity comes from Mtume. They spent their time, energy, musical talent, and creativity, to create something special. So special it was a #1 hit on the R&B Soul chart for weeks and gained Mtume recognition as a musical force in the industry. The way you're just chump them off like they're insignificant is truly disrespectful. While you're sitting there punching buttons cutting, splicing, dragging, dropping, and pasting beats, loops, and samples like you're such a musical genius is a pathetic slap in the face to those who are truly talented.
Another funny thing...UGK has an Unreleased version of "Take It Off" over this beat...but that Dirty Money album came out in 01...but was recorded in 98. Ok so my point is UGK ALSO USED THIS BEAT ON TOO HARD TO SWALLOW album...that was 1992...so technically they used it first 😉
The track master’s version was better to my ear but I totally believe Pete Rock. I also believe Puff got Big to flow it like he did after hearing the B1 version. Biggie is without doughy a rap genius but the flows and cadence sound similar for sure. Biggie definitely delivered and his verse if far more superior than B1’s but the fact that Big changed his man to the Notorious Big, mention Mississippi, had the same flow and beat makes you think 🧐
The Notorious B1 version is the better beat. The part of the original “Juicy Fruit” beat they used is smaller than what the Trackmasters used but it sounds way better.
Hard one this.. i would call it more theft if an idea, theft of creativity. If i hear a great sample, im the first to find out what it is and make my own. If the sample or was paid for or donated then all is fair game.
Honestly, what's the deal. Artists and Writers steal all the time, interpolate, switch reuse, or try to top it. The only thing that matters is if you are willing to pay the source or not.
When Puff heard the track, he said "take that, take that, take that," then he took it!
He mumbled "I'm gonna" to himself first, then he said....
shoulder shimmy-ing while stating "take dat, take dat, take dat."
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I swear I was gonna say this, you beat me to it 😂. Take that…. Crazy
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4:10 Mtume 'Juicy Fruit' is a well-known classic. There's no genius in anyone sampling it.
so pete rock took a song and just added drums to it, and claimed puffy stole his beat??? lol, they didnt even sample, they straight up used the whole song smh
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The original song that was sampled sampled by Puff Daddy and his crew is way better anyways not just because it's an original creation but in general it's just better and that's coming from me someone who likes the Notorious B.I.G.'s music and from early 2000 generation
You guys have to understand how HipHop evolved. The genius laid within the sample selection and vocal match up. Sometimes the crates gave you a slam dunk is all. Don’t down play a process that ran music for 30 years, lol.
Juicy Fruit was an INSTANT CLASSIC the second it was released back in 1983.
I think it’s interesting to point out how Pete Rock is ingrained into the song. The fact that he did the original beat, and how Biggie mentions Heavy D and Marley Marl in the lyrics
He didn't steal it He sampled it it's a difference@@StatetrooperBillyBill
@@Baman21 nah he stole it
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How do you steal a sample? If that is the case, then B1 stole it doom artist who used it before him.
6:58 - Notorious B-1? That song just made my heart drop. Wow what even is reality
Who is that
Easy Mo Bee has also complained about Diddy taking credit for his beats. I believe one time Diddy said “YEAH!” over Mo Bee’s beat and said “Ok, I added that change. I’m one of the producers now.”
thats abysmal
It was the “Flavor In Ya Ear” remix Mo Bee was referring to I believe. It was basically Mo Bee’s original beat, but Diddy and Chucky Thompson took credit dubiously.
@@PaulPawlPall D-Dot and nem did the same thing to Kanye West. Kanye produced that "Get Money" beat and other songs for Bad Boy records in the mid to late '90s. But they want to use the "executive producer" position claim credit for actual musical production and beat-making.
@@KtotheG Junior Mafia’s “Get Money” was an EZ Elpee beat.
@@PaulPawlPall According to Kanye, he did that beat.
Don’t forget Wrecks n Effect used it a few years before on “Juicy” on the New Jack Swing album.
In 1989 so I don't get why so many people are mad. In the late 80s/early 90s this is how Rap records were actually made. Not really original but Rap back then was take some dope instrumental and rap over it.
@@rikkidgermano9640 Because Diddy stole Pete Rock's idea. He didn't decide to use the sample out of inspiration, he saw an opportunity to make a lot money and did Pete Rock's idea before he had the chance to.
If Pete Rock were to release his beat on someone else's song soon after, despite having the idea first, he would've been criticised as unoriginal. Not to mention Biggie's song would've overshadowed it anyway like it did with the "remix". I genuinely never knew Pete Rock had a version of the song until today.
@@rikkidgermano9640 no one’s mad, just spreading the knowledge. In fact, it just goes to show you. You wanna rock a sample, rock it. Heads will remember who did it best.
@@peace1290 word. The original is a classic but Pete Rocks version should have been the single.
Wow they did
I remember reading about this years ago and thinking, 'yeah that sounds like something Puff would do' The interview I read Pete talks about how the beat was playing along with the records he sampled from were layed out on the table.
Always fun to be reminded that Diddy has been awful since his career inception, and didn't just wake up one day and become awful.
I think you can't be rich as him without sell your soul...
@@militant-vinylistor being extremely evil heartless and inconsiderate
That's not all Puff. Biggie ripped the flow from the original
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Biggie and B1 flow is nothing alike, and that sample was used before and after B1.
Reupload with the Notorious B1 mention. Salute 🫡
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Notorious b1 stole the juicy song from a female rapper that came out in 1992. Same exact beat. Same exact flow and cadence. Check it out!
music.ua-cam.com/video/irB9lg4jJUM/v-deo.html&si=BG9YgTyxgfqcC2D0
Real peeps been knew that Puffy stole the song from Notorious B1.
I think he really jacked the idea from Pete. There’s probably a thousand songs we could find of some local artist who used a sample first that nobody ever heard.
@@JaybLive95 Oh indeed lol especially considering "Juicy Fruit" was a well known Hot 100 charting song itself. I figure, what's more likely... that they heard some tape from an unknown-to-NY rapper in Mississippi that came less than 2 years earlier? Or that Puffy (who was raised in Mt Vernon) heard Pete Rock (who was also raised in Mt Vernon) sampling and said he wanted to take that, take that....
I’m decades late to this info and I’m shook 😳
Imagine if Puffy wasn't never in the picture to force him to do R&B joints so Big could just focus on lyrics and making hardcore records.
Nah Pete Rock had it laced since 1991 allegedly
Dre Dog aka Andre Nickatina from the Bay Area used the sample on the song the ave back 93. Need to give Nickatina some credit too for using that dope sample before Biggie.
Dre Dog is 🗑
I wish you would have mentioned the situation with " We Got The Jazz " by A Tribe Called Quest . Pete Rock was using the Green Dolphin Street sample to make his own track , when Tip heard it in his basement . Towards the end of the song he says " Pete Rock for the beat you don't stop "
Pete rock produced we got the jazz dont worry he got credit
@@Cyktar Yea, the guy even acknowledged that Tip shouted out Pete Rock on the song. There is no 'situation'.
Notorious B1's story has a few holes in it, given the beat was stolen from Pete Rock and Biggie was referred to as The Notorious BIG as early as 1992. But even discounting that. I appreciate the work behind digging the crates, but let's face it: None of the producers can really talk about stealing, when they use a snippet from an already existing song, not to mention the tendency of not clearing it in the 90's.
I prefer trackmasters staying true to the original mtume version. The juicy fruit drums are perfect as is, pete rock adding his own drum pattern throws off the whole beat imo.
Yep
Happy 30 years to Ready to Die. One of the best albums ever made.
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His rhyme cadence is that of jazz drums. That's why his flow dances. He was mentored by a jazz drummer.
Yup
You are wise.
Wow he was
@@k.chriscaldwell4141wow I didn’t know that
Biggie liked to play around the and-beat. Redman did this a lot too. Very fun to listen to.
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That’s a wild history lesson 🤯
Right
So, the reason I don't buy Notorious B1's story because A) Biggie was credited as The Notorious B.I.G. in The Source in 1992, and B) they didn't take the song from Notorious B1 because they actually took it from Pete Rock, LOL (and I don't think he stole it from B1 either). Also, there's video's of Biggie on the corner rapping how he raps on Juicy YEARS before ANY of this was going on.
No one is gonna respond to you. They already have their minds made up and will continue to run with this narrative no matter how much evidence there is against it.
@@vintagesince96 THANK YOU!!! A whole bunch of people latched onto the B1 theory, but it really doesn’t hold much weight. A lot of reaching going on for what seems to be a strange coincidence and nothing more. The Source Unsigned Hype column makes it seem more likely that B1 jacked his alias from Biggie.
Exactly, it’s just dudes from the south trying to discredit legends from the East that were pushing that b.s. narrative, it’s the same type of ninjas that say Nas had ghost writers and Jay-Z is only known in NY! 😂
Also, where was the outrage in Mississippi? If he was a local artist that came up with the song first, then the DJ's in that area when B.I.G. dropped would have been pretty vocal about the issue. I went to college in the South with many people from Mississippi in the mid 90's and not one mentioned this B1 dude coming out before Biggie. But we're supposed to believe that Puffy heard and jacked the song somehow when nobody in his own state knew who he was at the time?
If B1 wanted to fool people, he should have said he pushed a demo to Puff and it got jacked. But his claim that his song was released and on the airwaves, and that Puff somehow heard the song, and re-pacakaged it as a Biggie track, hold no water.
Everything you just said is a lie...
How do I know??? I was one of the producers on the B1 project...
Puff had ties to the Source Magazine and when they put us in the Unsigned Hype column our song got jacked from there... stop spreading lies young buck... our copyright is a whole year before Biggie's version...
The Mtume beat fits biggies flow better in my view. That Pete Rock beat is fine but it’s a little to early 80s for me.
I always liked the OG Pete Rock version better.
because diddy is pop, pete is hip hop
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Nahh hell noooo, the beat sounds better without all them fckn drums and them drums just becomes very annoying due to its repetitiveness 😵
Puff stole the "Crush on You" sample from us. Me and my boy both worked in a hotels. Puff was here in Atlanta staying at Swiss 'otel and my homeboy put our cassette tape in Puff's hand! 2 months later - "Crush On You" came out with our sample that was that cassette.
did you pursue it legally? how did you guys come across that sample?
So you're Jeff Lorber?😊
@@misterhappy5462 Nah, we knew we didn't have a leg to stand on. We had just recorded it and considered it our most commercially ready song. Nothing was copywrited or anything like that. We were making an album. So we gave Puff 3 or 5 songs.
Our though process was: "If he didn't sign us to Bad Boy, maybe he'd offer our producer a deal. Either way, one of "us" would be in the game".
We all agreed:
"If he (our producer) could make 1 song that sounds like a hit, then surely he could make many more. So instead of stealing, why not put him on?" that was our line of thinking.
He (our producer) found the sample simply by digging in the crates. It was such a rare loop... and it was on our demo that he (our producer) gave Puff, personally. Puff, straight jacked us.
@@compactcasette 😅
That's how they do, yo... that's why you gotta be careful in how you handle your music. Puffy is a proud thief, too, because he basically said that since record companies have been doing that to artists forever, he's going to keep doing it to his artists. Why change?
Pete Rock version didn't sound commercial.
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Exactly It sounded more classic hip hop like
real fans know this is a reupload
Why
mad props with your work man
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This video is even better the second time around!
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5:00 This was a missed opportunity to say, take that take that! 😂
Let’s Talk About: Puff Used The Same Sample Not The Premise Of The Song. B1 Was Talking About Some Of “Big Belly Man” BS & BIG Was Talking About Rags To Riches . It Was Kinda An Ode To Hip-Hop
Exactly. B1 could never have won that in court and neither would have Pete Rock. They all sampled Mtume - that's whom they should all be thanking.
Biggie probably had no idea puffy stole the whole thing.
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If you hear the original song. Biggie also ripped the flow
Also the is not the only beat issue. Big had a beef with the original gun clappers over a beat and song concept
@@PrinceMalachi7exactly they both was dirty 👎🏾
He knew. Even stole his flow
Ayyy let's watch it again
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You did a great job with the video very educational and I’ve been telling people for years that they stole that song from the guy from Mississippi so I’m glad you’re telling them. It only took 20 something years later but people to listen but I’m glad you have a bigger platform thenMy Little just calling people and be like man I know where this song came from.
All really believe that bs😂
Love your page and your work in general. Puffy didn't steal any beats here. He copied an idea. Stole an idea, even. PR's version is cool - but let's put our hip hop purist sensibilities aside... The PR Remix version would not have allowes Juicy to go gold. The trackmasters version was the model for most of those "take hits from the 80s, but make it sound so crazy" jiggy era beats... They were radio friendly and accessible for the masses in a way that straight ahead boom bap was not. There's a reason why Pete and guys like him never became bigger - they were saddled by these esoteric rules on production.
explained perfectly. pete rock was for us 90's boom bap heads during the week--and puffy (good or bad) brought in the jiggy era. for those of us wearing dress pants at the club on the weekend. good times.
@@misterhappy5462 EXACTLY!!!!!! Nobody was making babies to Straighten It Out or Fakin Jax on a Saturday night... And if they were, then your lady smelled of nag champa and natural deodorant and she looks like Rah Digga or Khia now. Everybody was out at the clubs vibing to that jiggy sh*t.
Wrecks-N-Effect sampled this in 1989...
I see you did that purposely "Obviously" The September 13th thing and today.....On top of the knowledge you just threw into my nogen was greatly appreciated. 🤯🤓 I'm a music geek and that was dope AF 💯💪🏽
You see why Puff gets the credit he does... because that Pete Rock version was boo boo
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Puff been, "BITIN," since day one. He jacked the idea for, "One Mo Chance Remix," from Big L's song, "MVP," using Debarge's - Stay Wit Me!!!"
Since you brought up Notorious B1, why not bring up WRECKS-N-EFFECT - "JUICY" that was release in 1989!? the first use of the sample in hip hop as far as i know
Puffy stole alot of stuff from people in general. That was his style. He'd call it a "remix" but essentially he'd take other people's songs, beat, lyrics & run with it.
Diddy looks sus even here 4:04
Yep. At the same part of the video I also cracked up when he started throwing out all his names. Puffy, Diddy, etc…. “Whatever you want to call him in 2024.”That was low key a Diddler reference. 🤣
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I went to a Pete Rock gig in the early 2000s and he wouldn't shut up about "I made this shit!, I'm the original"
Wow frfr
Hearing you break down the song and bar pattern was hilarious
That's what he did back then. "Hey Az" became the "Honey" remix for Mariah, Mystidious Misfits - Upside Down beacame "Rock da party" remix for Lyte. That's his MO
You all are wrong Teddy Riley and WreckxNEffects had the beat first same flow
So many people in denial. Listen to that Notorious B1 joint a few times. The way the voice goes, the cadence on the track. Biggie did it better but he and Puff got shiesty and jacked a regional track from the year before that they thought no one would know, stealing elements of the flow along with the sample and the name. People were getting ripped off left and right back then, I was in NY and in the industry. So many people were acting cutthroat and doing each other dirty.
The Pete Rock version is more "boom-bappy" than the album version. I prefer the album version, although I was never really crazy about that record.
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This background music is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I just can't listen to it anymore. Needs about 80yrs in the "Vault"!
I work with a 65 yr old pastry chef whom is also a classically trained string instrumentalist, not a rap fan at all, and he knows the dam lyrics. That's the definition of "Played Out".
You got a few things wrong Wrex n affect sampled Juicy fruit in 89, if you go back to the march 1992 unsigned hype column of the source magazine Biggie was already using the name notorious or even his 92 demo track "Biggie got the hype" and lastly the hook to big poppa was sampled from a verse Biggie did in 93 on a remix with supercat song dolly my baby
That's why I FUX with you bro you tell the TRUTH!
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Pete Rock did the original, end of discussion
It's a better beat, but not a better song with the Pete Rock version.
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Yup, the OG Pete Rock remix on the 12" will always be the superior version. 💯👍
diddy lifting a song and calling it his own?! nooo i refuse to believe that.
Great reaction. I loved this album. Onew’s albums are outstanding. I agree, I’m torn between Onew and Key too 🥰
I remember the year BIG came out with BIG POPPA, there was like 10 other songs out that has the same Isley Bros sample. I think Puff jacked the beat from the Mississippi cat at 1993 Jack the Rapper.
Good to post this on Ready to Die 30 year anniversary
While we're breaking down the conspiracy theories, it's significant to note that on September 13, 1994, Biggie Smalls delivered his first studio album Ready To Die and on September 13, 1996, rapper Tupac Shakur was pronounced dead, six days after being attacked in a drive-by shooting in Las Vegas.
sorry i like pete's version but i love Juicy so much even the OG Juicy Fruit beat is one of my all time favorite Beat.
Wait a minute, are we acting like we didn't know this beat was sampled? Like you said, this shit is from 1983 and Biggie's song was 10/11 years later. And the shit is called, "Juicy". And the original song is called "Juicy Fruit. Y'all is wilding fuh real!
👍👍U laid out the WHOLE STORY...👍👍
The album version is a better song than the pete rock remix. The notorious B1 song not even worth mentioning. Wrecks n effect sampled the same song years before him. Big was also called Notorious BIG in the source unsigned hype. No stealing going on they just sampled the same song. Thats like the funky drummer loop being claimed by public enemy over the 100 artists who used it.
Puffy, nor the Trackmasters pulled that sample first. Dre Dog out of SF sampled Juicy Fruit by Mtume back in 1992.
If you think that's just a coincidence, on Dre Dog's same album (the new jim jones) that he first sampled Juicy Fruit, he also sampled the Isley's, the same sample for "big poppa". Like Pac said, Biggie is the East Coast's version of a West Coast rapper.
juicy is sampled from a song called juicy fruit mtume
Lol. While it is indeed TECHNICALLY pronounced the way it’s spelled MARLey MARL. But in hip hop it’s spoken as MALLY MALL. 👈🏾🤷🏾♂️
We don’t pronounce the “R”’s
We? No just you
Biggie said "I love it when you call me Big Poppa" on Dolly my Baby's remix, which I believe also came out in 93, so the Big Poppa thing is also purely coincidence. Insane that Notorious B1 exists, I had no idea.
I like Pete Rock version better
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Pete Rock version was too busy for me. Definitely wouldn't have liked it as much.
There is so much theft in the industry. Looks, names, songs, styles, etc. The big fish steal from the small fish, and in the age before the internet, they could get away with it. Not anymore.
Stole 'Warning' too!
From who..? Never heard that one..💯
@@Lowetalkradio The same ppl that produced 'Things Done Changed' Puffy gave it to Easy Mo to copy ..I WAS THERE 💯💯
I find it funny when outside folks talking about Brooklyn taking things from people …THATS WHAT WE DO 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I grew up in CT in the 90's. My friend's father was a public defender in NYC and he told me that they had a file on puffy inches thick. I always assumed he was just being gossipy, apparently not.
Not maybe, the Pete Rock beat is better. Trackmasters were lazy with it.
Why
The Notorious B1 is the big man 🎶🎶💯😎
Ironically the song Puffy stole is called Big Daddy. Notorious BIG & Puff Daddy. So they stole the name of the song too and literally made a name for themselves out of it 😂
If you listen to the Dre dog album “the new Jim jones” 1993. He uses the juicy beat the big papa best and refers to hisself as puff daddy. Coincidence I think not.
I agree The Pete Rocks version is better however it wasn't marketable for commercial sales. And this coming from someone who is a boom bap fan. That Mtume itself gives him more exposure with a high cost
I don't think any of those thieves deserve props. They have no talent or creativity. The real talent and creativity comes from Mtume. They spent their time, energy, musical talent, and creativity, to create something special. So special it was a #1 hit on the R&B Soul chart for weeks and gained Mtume recognition as a musical force in the industry. The way you're just chump them off like they're insignificant is truly disrespectful. While you're sitting there punching buttons cutting, splicing, dragging, dropping, and pasting beats, loops, and samples like you're such a musical genius is a pathetic slap in the face to those who are truly talented.
I prefer the straight up jacked one. Maybe it's the memories and nostalgia I've built up over the years.
We NEED more biggie's videos on this channel
Pete Rock’s version smokes the album version …….. give me that version all day!
Another funny thing...UGK has an Unreleased version of "Take It Off" over this beat...but that Dirty Money album came out in 01...but was recorded in 98. Ok so my point is UGK ALSO USED THIS BEAT ON TOO HARD TO SWALLOW album...that was 1992...so technically they used it first 😉
The track master’s version was better to my ear but I totally believe Pete Rock.
I also believe Puff got Big to flow it like he did after hearing the B1 version. Biggie is without doughy a rap genius but the flows and cadence sound similar for sure. Biggie definitely delivered and his verse if far more superior than B1’s but the fact that Big changed his man to the Notorious Big, mention Mississippi, had the same flow and beat makes you think 🧐
The Pete Rock remix is the original beat and Diddy stole the idea and had Trackmasters redo the beat and used Pete Rock's verssion as the remix.
Pete Rock is certainly the goat
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The Notorious B1 version is the better beat. The part of the original “Juicy Fruit” beat they used is smaller than what the Trackmasters used but it sounds way better.
I'm wondering which DAW you prefer and why ?
Hard one this.. i would call it more theft if an idea, theft of creativity. If i hear a great sample, im the first to find out what it is and make my own. If the sample or was paid for or donated then all is fair game.
AMG - Leather and Wood 1995
Seems like they used the exact sample.
The PETE ROCK remix. Easy. Nuff said.
Mtume was the original
BIGGIES WHOLE FLOW WA "KING TEE" and a little bit of
"ICE CUBE"
Love your work
DTG look up notorious B1 to address that controversy.. for real nm he found it
Ahahah that's why when peeps tell me that Ready to Die IS above Illmatic I'm laughing...
Jay z learned his song jackin style from somewhere...
Man. Biggie really heard one dirty South mix tape and stole his whole personality.
Ayooooooooo😅
As a drummer I hear percussive elements with Biggie flow.
Honestly, what's the deal. Artists and Writers steal all the time, interpolate, switch reuse, or try to top it. The only thing that matters is if you are willing to pay the source or not.
How about we talk about the fact that wrecks-n-effect sampled this in 89 and already had a song called juicy