Actor Walter Koenig has stated in interviews that he did not tell the writers and director about the mistake of his charater, Chekov meeting Kahn for fear he would not get to be in the movie. In retrospect, a very good choice on his part, wouldn't you say?
Yes, a very good choice. We got to see a superb exchange between Khan and Chekov. And anyway nothing says they didn't meet during "Space Seed" and we simply didn't see it on camera.
@@andrewaustin9536Chekhov could have easily been in the lower decks in the first season and then given a bridge assignment after. The only real requirement is that Khan saw his face, which could have been when Khan was going through the ship’s files, which probably included crew profiles with pictures.
Also, Space Seed is the 22nd episode of Tos S1, so trivial to explain Checkov either was recently transferred aboard, just weeks or months before start of S2, or his transfer orders were in the ship's records when Khan was scanning them
The big mistake I see in Wrath of Khan is that Khan's people are too young to be his original followers and too old to be the offspring of the original followers.
Here's another problem with Nero, there was no need for any of the events of Star Trek (2009) to actually happen. Nero had captured future Spock, who would surely have been able to explain that Romulus still existed in this time and that they could prevent the supernova using the red matter. Crisis averted, slingshot round the sun and return home. They could even return to their original timeline early enough to save Romulus without changing the past. We could have been spared the JJ verse.
The computer voice "mistake" can be explained as a computer using an advanced voice model (like the ones we have now) trained on some in-universe woman (Nurse Chapel? De'anna's mom?) that's so good as to mimic human voice stuff like breathing, gasping and "umm..." sounds.
As a New Zealander I often see maps without New Zealand. So a paused the shot from First Contact and set it next to a Google Earth shot and angled Australia to match what is shown in the movie. New Zealand would actually by covered in that Star Trek shot by the top right hand corner of the computer console. The bottom half of the North Island and top half of the South Island is roughly in line with Tasmania from that angle too, and Tasmania isn't visible in the shot either as it's too far down. So if you saw anything, you would just see the top part of Northland. But seeing as the resolution isn't really good enough to show Fiji, I doubt it would be good enough to show the slither that is Northland. I'll let the film makers off on this one.
Yes, but australia is not straight as on global maps / maps, here its going up to the right which would put new zealand slightly above its regular global position. I believe as such it should be visible from there.
@@hajkie Traditional flat maps use projections that can distort the shapes and positions of continents. On a flat map Australia might appear 'straight' in a certain orientation, but these projections aren't fully accurate. Google Earth, on the other hand shows the true 3D layout of the Earth. When you look at Australia and New Zealand on Google Earth, you're seeing their real positions relative to each other, without the distortions caused by flattening the map. So Google Earth provides a more accurate representation of the geography and that's what I used to match the picture and that's why New Zealand would be hidden by the console because that's where it was when viewed on a globe.
@@harryunderhill5041 Absolutely, but i checked this on a 3d globe map when i made that observation. If you check the cape york peninsula on the map, its tipped to the left on the star trek shot.
Important thing to note: Vulcan turning into a black hole wouldn't do anything to any nearby astronomical body unless its mass increased substantially or its orbit shifted. If the red matter just makes the existing mass collapse into a black hole then you'd just end up with a black hole the mass of Vulcan sitting in its same orbit and the rest of the system would be fine actually.
Yes I noticed that as well. Spock would have been fine where he was for the same reason that the planet Vulcan itself didn't consume other planets around it. The event horizon for a black hole that small would be nowhere near surrounding planets.
Well, the thing about the black hole is that it forms before being inserted into the planet, which means it probably has mass and gravitational pull to start with and then gets extra from the planet. Its all a little wonky because black holes dont work that way, whatever "Red Matter" is exactly it shouldnt be able to change its mass the way it does, but if it didnt it couldnt be stored without sucking up its storage system and whatever ship, planet and/or solar system its on. The movie also completely ignored the time dilation effect of intense gravity, which also means that the closer you get to the black hole the more time dilates, which means you might even have years to rescue a person falling in. Provided you have the technology to do it.
Forget the gravity issue. If there was a gravity problem with red matter, they couldn't store it on a ship without the ship being imploded around it from the red matter's existing gravity. That's not the big issue with a planet being smashed down into a singularity... the big issue is radiation. There would be massive bursts of radiation being sent out from the normal matter being compressed. Any planet within the system, and maybe neighboring systems depending on direction of bursts, think pulsars shooting radiation around which is why they are called pulsars, any planet would be sterilized within minutes.
The Squire of Gothos was a first season episode. The producers hadn't released a series bible yet, and nobody had settled on minor details like what organization the Enterprise was part of (for two episodes it was the "United Earth Space Probe Agency"), what people from Vulcan were called ("Vulcanians"), and what their relationship with Earth was (in one episode Earth had conquered Vulcan!), and most glaring of all: what century the show took place in.
Yup! Back in 2021, after working at a garbage trucking company where 90% of the staff had criminal records. I woke up after the third day thinking, "How can I fight with my trainer today?" So I quit at the end of the day.
O'Brien's rank of Chief Petty Officer was specifically mentioned (to my knowledge) twice. The first time, actually solidifying it, was the fourth season episode "Family" when Worf's adoptive parents came aboard. The second was in the Deep Space Nine fourth season episode "Hippocratic Oath" when one of the Jem'Hadar say his rank as "Chief Petty Officer."
They gave him that rank as a consequence of really not knowing what to do, having referred to him as 'Chief' several times, since he's the Enterprise transporter chief (eventually), a position not a rank. Before settling on this solution, enlisted ranks were never mentioned on screen in Trek and Army/Marine ranks were first used in Star Trek 6, with Colonel West of Starfleet Intelligence. Also, contrary to this video, there is no "ensign junior grade", there's crewman and midshipman, both of which have been shown with one hollow pip.
New Zealand is over 2500 miles from Australia, it isn't just over the horizon. The map didn't miss it off, it just didn't show a wide enough area to include the country.
I want to add another one regarding GENERATIONS and it's a big one to me. From the Borg episodes we learned that after a phaser is fired on them a few times, they have shields that adapt to the frequency. In turn, federation ships and personnel must change their settings to get a shot. Yet in GENERATIONS, using Jordi's visor, the Klingon sisters can see the Enterprise D's shield frequency. If they know that the Klingons know their frequency, then why not change it? Oh I know, plot 'device'. Lazy writing.
It is funny though that she has a distinct 'robotic' sound to her, very flat delivery.. yet holograms were capable of speaking much more naturally. Data could speak with distinction, but somehow couldn't be programmed to be totally natural.
Yeah, Noonien gave Lore the suave, natural voice. RIP Data. I guess it's better to have a cold, calculating, but still humanlike computer voice so Geordi doesn't run off and have an fling with it. 😂🤣
as far as chekov recongizing Khan, it's said that Chekov was a lower decks person during the events of Space Seed and ran into Khan during the events of the episode, but off camera, the joke was Khan needed to use the restroom,. and Chekov managed to plug the one sit-down toilet in the area, upsetting Khan to no end, thus why he had such malace against Chekov during the movie.
3:18 OH HELL NAW!! That JJverse Kirk is NOT the Kirk we “know and love”! Real-Kirk , before becoming captain, was a straight-laced, by-the-book junior (then senior) officer until he learned how to be flexible as the captain of a starship out on the fringes of known space. The Kirk JJ verse presented us was a “break all the rules, fly by the seat of your pants” that should never have been in Starfleet at all. I hate the JJ verse for how it screwed up all the characters and the ship and all the rules/lore….pretty much everything that was Trek he screwed up. When the Star Trek started behaving like Star Wars under his direction it was great. Action, Pew-pew, and blowing crap up just like Star Wars is what JJ Abrams loved. He’s flat out said in interviews he never even bother watching any of the Star Trek before making the movie.
YES!!! Seriously, the whole "can't catch up to us while we are in warp" flies in the face of canon saying there are multiple warp speeds long before JJ's mutant trek universe... THAT was the thing that ruined that movie for me. It was just STUPID crap written by someone who had probably never watched star trek. Girl's line "If you think you're safe at warp, you're wrong" gave me a headache, literally...
4:06 John Luke Picard? Huh. Seems like Star Trek isn't the only on that makes mistakes. 5:24 The formation of a black hole with the mass of Vulcan would do literally nothing to nearby planets. Literally. Nothing. It still has the same mass.
The biggest and most unforgivable error in Star Trek is when they first gave and then took away Data's IMPOSSIBLE TO REMOVE sense of humor. I was looking forward to robot humor but noooOOOooo.
that's not how I remember it. Lore tricked Soong into putting the chip into him instead, it was damaged or potentially damaged but Data kept it anyway, then in the movies he brought it out again, having apparently repaired it into a completely different and much larger prop, put it in, and found it somewhat distracting, so he made sure to turn it off during serious moments. did I miss a bit?
@@empurress77 and when did they remove it? I didn't watch Nemesis because it was clearly terrible, was it in that? Also considering the chip installs under the fingernail, I can't imagine it would hurt his brain that badly to remove. At least, that's where Lore kept it.
Trelane says to Lieutenant Jaeger, "Eins, Zwei, Drei, Vier, Gehen wir mit den Schießgewehr". In English, that translates to "One, Two, Three, Four, We're walking with a machine gun." Clearly, he at least had knowledge of World War I... possibly the World War II. That would be from the early through the mid 1900's.
@@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701 Are you a democrat? You argue the superfluous and tangential,while ignoring the main point entirely. Whether a rifle or a machine gun, the German song "Der kleine Marsch" had no place in history prior to the early 20th Century.
As far as the computer voice breathing, Chat GPT breaths, and it's impossible to make it interact without breathing. I guess it's meant to make conversations more realistic.
yeah if anything the star trek computer sounds too robotic seeing as now computer voices are getting more and more natural, but in the 90s no one even thought of that
if memory serves, Nero was at the klingon prison, Rura Penthe, mentioned in the deleted scenes, hence the reason why "47 klingon ships were destroyed".....as a klingon was torturing Nero as to the technology, up to including Ceti Eels (which Nero used on Pike later on)
The most annoying mistake occurs in the TNG final episode All Good Things when the writers suddenly forget to realise how anti-time works. In the future timeline, the anti-time anomaly is "not there" which would make sense as it grows larger as one goes backwards in time, but at the denoument of the episode they just happen to find it in its initial state - which would be impossible according to the story's internal logic, as it would have had to grown in size forwards in time from near nothingness earlier in the episode.
I would argue for the Nero thing, by saying it’s entirely believable that those 25 years were spent repairing the ship after the Kelvin crashed into it. Now sure, that’s never explicitly said, but it’s something that could explain it.
They made up for it alright. Colm Meaney appeared in more episodes of the franchise than any other Star Trek character. Except maybe Michael Dorn (Worf), and Majel Barrett (computer voice) notwithstanding.
One thing that always bothered me was that Picard was supposed to be a Frenchman but he was so obviously British! He had a British accent and drank tea for crying out loud! Why couldn't they have just anglicized his name and have him be British from the beginning. He could have easily just been John Luke Picard.
"collaborative fan site" just shows how far wiki sites have fallen that we aren't even calling them that anymore. What i imagine happened is, transporters already have multiple redundant backup systems to keep them from messing up regularly, so it's very difficult to use them in any way that would A) require those to be turned off (like cloud saves copying over a save you were trying to edit) and/or B) require new safeguards of their own that might be really hard to build. I mean there are actual units in the transporters that account for the inability to truly know where any electrons are, so it could be that when they used it to save Pulaski, that was a shot in the dark, could easily have failed, and the technique was immediately sent to Daystrom to work out safely before it could be rolled out for anyone else and authorized for use. That's.. at least in like with Star Trek.
So first glaring mistake on my list is Scotty , and his appearance in the next generation and in the film generations, the episode of next gen with Scotty is a very good sci-fy episode and generations is full of mistakes, the way the enterprise-D goes down is almost scene for scene copy of the enterprise-C episode, and how the fact that the enterprise-D goes down against an 80 year old bird of prey, any advantage that the bird of prey has is only explained by incompetence on the enterprise crews part. The flag ship getting destroyed by an 80 year old ship, Riker should be charged for that level of incompetence.
There is no such rank as "Ensign Junior Grade". They did finally explore the transporter's ability to rewrite DNA in the final season of Picard when then the Changelings and Borg used it to rewrite DNA and assimilated the younger members of Starfleet.
Several Treckies and I went into The Wrath Of Kahn and Checkov. We came up with the plausible account that Checkov was on the Enterprise during Space Seed just not stationed onto the bridge. If this was true, Kahn would have known this due to his advanced genetic abilities as well as the access to the Enterprise's computer
Yeah, that's what I always thought. He's a supergenius with an eidetic memory. Him telling Chekov "I never forget a face" isn't him saying "I remember meeting you" it's one of his typical brags about how he just memorized the Enterprise personnel files.
All I have to say is I'm investing in Crescent tools cuz Scotty left one conveniently on his workbench for Kirk hit a bad guy over the head with. I always pictured Scotty saying saying " laddie will you hand me that crescent wrench so I can get us to warp four".
O'Brien IS his last name. You mean he didn't get a first name until later, or do you mean he didn't get a full name until later? Oh the irony of mistakes that are hard to ignore.
The 2009 STAR TREK movie went ridiculous re. the transporter, with not-remotely-Scotty's transporter being able to send people across indeterminate distances into a ship travelling at warp speed; in INTO DARKNESS, not-remotely-Khan could transport blindly across interstellar distances from Earth to the Klingon homeworld, where an infinitesimal variance could put him a mile above the ground or under it.
Something funny happened with Colm Meaney. He was reading the script for the first episode in which his name was established & got pissed off that they were giving his part to someone else. Jonathan Frakes explained to him that they were finally naming his character. Spock watching Vulcan getting destroyed may have been much worse than watching Mars explode from Earth as Memory Alpha has 2 planets named Delta Vega and one of them wasn't even in the same star system as Vulcan and should never have been visible to him even after however many years it would take the light to travel that far. Was it clearly stated that he was in the Vulcan system? The Chekov / Khan issue is not a mistake. The Enterprise had a crew of approximately 430 so we were not going to see all of them interact with Khan. It would be different if the series showed Chekov joining the crew later instead of simply starting to show him. It is not like Ro Laren recognizing someone from a season 1 episode of TNG. Data actually used a contraction earlier in the same episode that established that he couldn't / could not.
I think O'Brien's official title was Senior Chief Specialist. That's what his dad called him anyway ("Shadowplay"). Another example of screwy ranks was the first season of Voyager... Tuvok and Tom Paris both had the wrong insignia for half the season. Also, Harry Kim had the wrong rank for about five: he should have made lieutenant around about "Basics".
it would have made more sense to make it so Lore couldn't use contractions. It'd solve the problem of Data already using them, and Lore was supposed to be the inferior model
Read through like 50 comments, cant get even ONE call out to the Warp 5 speed limitation set in TNG. Pretty much forgotten after a few episodes, the writers couldn't be bothered to actually do an episode to just fix the issue directly, we just have to wonder how the fixed the universe of the ecological issues of warp drive...
"Missing New Zealand" is just wrong. I spent way too much time during breakfast lining up a world map of the south Pacific with my 4K copy of "First Contact." The table at the bottom of the screen blocks the view of where NZ would be. It's not missing, just not shown.
How do you mess up the very first fact, O’Brien yes he was an unnamed crew, but he wasn’t the transporter chief at that time. He was the helmsman. You should have someone review your scripts because this is hilarious and I’m done watching the rest of it because I just suspect it’s all garbage so I would try to do better
8:09 *"So the Star Fleet officers are either absolute trash at …"* TOS quite deliberately kept the century vague. Exact years weren’t established until TNG. So it seems rather unfair to call this an error.
Confronted pasts and possibly characters with different ages or even origins aren't so simple to redress through alternatives than reboots. Because it's down to star dates and shifts in timelines via huge arc stories. There's also oddities in old stories, sometimes brushed over or sometimes altered slightly to become something different from the base stories that it started with. Each variation of Star Trek movie and television series doesn't appear overlap with the fact that the original has achieved to give a better star date, though it did cause odd backstories with some episodes. But considering the lore of most important moments in Star Trek, things aren't quite easy to alter back because of its creation back in the 60s, like a story is always down to whom is the writing the next lore in Star Trek. Boldly Continuing To Venture Amongst the Galaxies a Titan Of A Story a shifting lore.
I've seen a few mistakes, like Data's rank in All Good Things, a missing com badge on an admiral, and of course Geordi's uniform in the final scene of Yesterday's Enterprise. I think Barklay's rank was backwards once too....
Yeah as a six year old kid that transporter accident kinda freaked me out, so much so that whenever I watched that movie again I'd always fast forward over that part of the tape.
Actually, as a NZer, the map shown, shows the top of Australia. NZ is just south of Tasmania, which is only just shown. Also , it's a globe map, so the curveture is more pronounced than on a Mercator map
Warp is not an increase in speed... it is a shortening of distance hence the term 'Warp'. Every Sci Fi franchise does it a bit differently but all understand that nothing can go faster than light. What they do is they alter HOW something travels... In most cases they create another layer of space that allows for shorter flight between two points (Hyperspace). Star Trek for whatever reason chose to literally bend real space through usage of a Warp Field. It is why ships can come out of warp near each other or at the exact spot... because they are not moving faster... they are setting a course for a specific point in space and bending space around themselves in such a way to reach that point faster. Now... there IS a mistake here just not the simple calculation of speed. I cannot remember the episode but a Next Gen episode that was an allegory for environmental damage basically stated that excessive use of high level warp fields was tearing apart the fabric of subspace and that if they did not stop using it all warp travel would become impossible. At the end of the episode, it was stated that all warp speed would be limited to six or lower and this was talked about precisely... never again lol.
Or Chekov simply reviewed old footage from the ship's computer as a perfectly understandable preparation for his new assignment. Has the the narrator never heard of video footage or photography?
That's very true about the 2009 version, I only found out Nero and his crew were imprisoned on Rura Penthe for 25 years when I read the comic book story after watching the film, that is kind of an important omission. As is the fact that the Narada may be a simple mining vessel as Nero claims but it looked nothing like that originally nor did it have the firepower, this was a result of the Tal Shiar upgrading it with Borg technology after Romulus was destroyed.
Great video. On the computer taking a breath while speaking. On GB news the AI sports reader also takes a breath between certain words. The idea to sound as human like as possible
also, in the season 2 episode Time Squared when Data and Geordi are inspecting the 2nd Picard's shuttle Data is seen scratching his cheek. something an android would not need to do.
What about the character of Zephram Cochrane? He first appeared in the episode Metamorphosis in Star Trek. In this story he is acknowledged as the discoverer of the space warp. He is not from Earth. However in the next generation movie First Contact they say he is from Earth. Woops. Watch the Star Trek episode then watch the First Contact movie.
i feel intelligent most of the time. this video brings me back to reality i didnt notice any of this stuff. suspension of disbelief allows me to enjoy star trek. i love all of it the shows the movies good stuff
You are talking about "plot devices" they are there to further the plot not be combed over like it's reality.......it's a tv show ....relax and enjoy....
While it is true that sentience was a concept explored through Data, They would do that through his emotion chip. As sentience is not the ability to do critical reasoning or think logically. Sentience is the ability to feel along with enough brainpower to process sensations such as pleasure. Thinking = sapience... just think _homo sapiens_ = *thinking* man edit: typo
"sapiens" with an -s; it’s a Latin singular adjective, not an English plural. (The Latin plural would be "homines sapientes", but that’s not really done with species names.) Sorry, just a favourite pet peeve. :)
@@monolalia I was just thinking; It is not that it isn't done, it cannot be done (outside of simply using a languages rules for pluralization). One species is ultimately classified as a different species mainly by one factor. Their ability to have viable offspring (i.e. offspring that can have their own offspring). So there is actually zero reason to do it at the level of a single species. Indeed, the very idea is mutually exclusive. Feels like an option in a program that you can hover the mouse over and get popup text for, but is still greyed out and inoperable.
@@whyjnot420 An individual of that species is also referred to by the species name: "Look! There goes a homo sapiens!" And the plural still uses the singular species name: "Look! There go eleven homo sapiens!"
Actor Walter Koenig has stated in interviews that he did not tell the writers and director about the mistake of his charater, Chekov meeting Kahn for fear he would not get to be in the movie. In retrospect, a very good choice on his part, wouldn't you say?
Yes, a very good choice. We got to see a superb exchange between Khan and Chekov. And anyway nothing says they didn't meet during "Space Seed" and we simply didn't see it on camera.
@@andrewaustin9536Chekhov could have easily been in the lower decks in the first season and then given a bridge assignment after. The only real requirement is that Khan saw his face, which could have been when Khan was going through the ship’s files, which probably included crew profiles with pictures.
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@russellharrell2747 The unofficial explanation is that Chekov ran into Khan in a public bathroom.
Also, Space Seed is the 22nd episode of Tos S1, so trivial to explain Checkov either was recently transferred aboard, just weeks or months before start of S2, or his transfer orders were in the ship's records when Khan was scanning them
The big mistake I see in Wrath of Khan is that Khan's people are too young to be his original followers and too old to be the offspring of the original followers.
They were genetically engineered and probably had an increased lifespan
Here's another problem with Nero, there was no need for any of the events of Star Trek (2009) to actually happen. Nero had captured future Spock, who would surely have been able to explain that Romulus still existed in this time and that they could prevent the supernova using the red matter. Crisis averted, slingshot round the sun and return home. They could even return to their original timeline early enough to save Romulus without changing the past. We could have been spared the JJ verse.
The computer voice "mistake" can be explained as a computer using an advanced voice model (like the ones we have now) trained on some in-universe woman (Nurse Chapel? De'anna's mom?) that's so good as to mimic human voice stuff like breathing, gasping and "umm..." sounds.
Watch the google assistant calling to make a hairdressers appointment as an example.
Yeah, I aways explained the breathing as an attempt to make the computer sound "human" and less unnatural.
As a New Zealander I often see maps without New Zealand. So a paused the shot from First Contact and set it next to a Google Earth shot and angled Australia to match what is shown in the movie. New Zealand would actually by covered in that Star Trek shot by the top right hand corner of the computer console. The bottom half of the North Island and top half of the South Island is roughly in line with Tasmania from that angle too, and Tasmania isn't visible in the shot either as it's too far down. So if you saw anything, you would just see the top part of Northland. But seeing as the resolution isn't really good enough to show Fiji, I doubt it would be good enough to show the slither that is Northland. I'll let the film makers off on this one.
I took a look at a map too and had come to the same conclusion.
Maybe he's just padding the sin count.
Yes, but australia is not straight as on global maps / maps, here its going up to the right which would put new zealand slightly above its regular global position. I believe as such it should be visible from there.
@@hajkie Traditional flat maps use projections that can distort the shapes and positions of continents. On a flat map Australia might appear 'straight' in a certain orientation, but these projections aren't fully accurate. Google Earth, on the other hand shows the true 3D layout of the Earth. When you look at Australia and New Zealand on Google Earth, you're seeing their real positions relative to each other, without the distortions caused by flattening the map. So Google Earth provides a more accurate representation of the geography and that's what I used to match the picture and that's why New Zealand would be hidden by the console because that's where it was when viewed on a globe.
@@harryunderhill5041 Absolutely, but i checked this on a 3d globe map when i made that observation. If you check the cape york peninsula on the map, its tipped to the left on the star trek shot.
Important thing to note: Vulcan turning into a black hole wouldn't do anything to any nearby astronomical body unless its mass increased substantially or its orbit shifted. If the red matter just makes the existing mass collapse into a black hole then you'd just end up with a black hole the mass of Vulcan sitting in its same orbit and the rest of the system would be fine actually.
Yes I noticed that as well. Spock would have been fine where he was for the same reason that the planet Vulcan itself didn't consume other planets around it. The event horizon for a black hole that small would be nowhere near surrounding planets.
Well, the thing about the black hole is that it forms before being inserted into the planet, which means it probably has mass and gravitational pull to start with and then gets extra from the planet.
Its all a little wonky because black holes dont work that way, whatever "Red Matter" is exactly it shouldnt be able to change its mass the way it does, but if it didnt it couldnt be stored without sucking up its storage system and whatever ship, planet and/or solar system its on.
The movie also completely ignored the time dilation effect of intense gravity, which also means that the closer you get to the black hole the more time dilates, which means you might even have years to rescue a person falling in. Provided you have the technology to do it.
Forget the gravity issue. If there was a gravity problem with red matter, they couldn't store it on a ship without the ship being imploded around it from the red matter's existing gravity. That's not the big issue with a planet being smashed down into a singularity... the big issue is radiation. There would be massive bursts of radiation being sent out from the normal matter being compressed. Any planet within the system, and maybe neighboring systems depending on direction of bursts, think pulsars shooting radiation around which is why they are called pulsars, any planet would be sterilized within minutes.
Funniest thing ever. The ships can talk but Pike's chair goes "beep" . You f'in a holes.
"beep beep"
"Yes, yes"
@@wanderinghistorian I WILL NOW CARRY OUT THE SENTENCE.
The Squire of Gothos was a first season episode. The producers hadn't released a series bible yet, and nobody had settled on minor details like what organization the Enterprise was part of (for two episodes it was the "United Earth Space Probe Agency"), what people from Vulcan were called ("Vulcanians"), and what their relationship with Earth was (in one episode Earth had conquered Vulcan!), and most glaring of all: what century the show took place in.
Do people wake up and think to themselves, "what can I complain about today?"...Yes, youtubers do
Yup! Back in 2021, after working at a garbage trucking company where 90% of the staff had criminal records. I woke up after the third day thinking, "How can I fight with my trainer today?" So I quit at the end of the day.
O'Brien's rank of Chief Petty Officer was specifically mentioned (to my knowledge) twice. The first time, actually solidifying it, was the fourth season episode "Family" when Worf's adoptive parents came aboard. The second was in the Deep Space Nine fourth season episode "Hippocratic Oath" when one of the Jem'Hadar say his rank as "Chief Petty Officer."
They gave him that rank as a consequence of really not knowing what to do, having referred to him as 'Chief' several times, since he's the Enterprise transporter chief (eventually), a position not a rank. Before settling on this solution, enlisted ranks were never mentioned on screen in Trek and Army/Marine ranks were first used in Star Trek 6, with Colonel West of Starfleet Intelligence. Also, contrary to this video, there is no "ensign junior grade", there's crewman and midshipman, both of which have been shown with one hollow pip.
I believe they declared him a Senior Chief. Which is an E8 of 9 enlisted ranks in current us navy ranking structure.
Nothing caught that the narrator, in essence, said O'Brien was his first name?
Pike wasn't the first captain of the NCC-1701, it was Robert April.
I thought they had decisded to change that, and writeApril out of existence.
@@ImYourOverlord Nope. They mention him in Discovery and he's a character in a few episodes of SNW.
JJ Abrams repeats the same "observe something happening to another planet" scale problem again in Star Wars.
I’ll also add, a lot of these seem more like nitpicks than actual problems.
New Zealand is over 2500 miles from Australia, it isn't just over the horizon. The map didn't miss it off, it just didn't show a wide enough area to include the country.
you're right it's much south east and would be cut off by the bottom of the window. I think Media buzz is just as guilty of not doing their research.
The entire Kelvin timeline when there is a literal police force to fix mistakes like that in canon.
Good point!
When your list of Star Trek mistakes has a dumb mistake inside the first 60 seconds I turn off your video.
Inorite. Dude literally had one job.
Is an auto generated video
@@Caricanalisis this is everything wrong with youtube these day 😟
Amen.
What was the mistake?
I consider almost everything JJ a big mistake
Agreed. Abrams is a pure hack.
I want to add another one regarding GENERATIONS and it's a big one to me. From the Borg episodes we learned that after a phaser is fired on them a few times, they have shields that adapt to the frequency. In turn, federation ships and personnel must change their settings to get a shot. Yet in GENERATIONS, using Jordi's visor, the Klingon sisters can see the Enterprise D's shield frequency. If they know that the Klingons know their frequency, then why not change it? Oh I know, plot 'device'. Lazy writing.
Possibly Geordi kept note of the frequency as it changed. If he did, the Klingons would see it too and change their settings.
*Klingon
@NeoTechni Thx, I should know better. Corrected.
The computer voice having breathing sounds is a silly nitpick. The programmers probably just wanted the computer voice to sound as human as possible.
Yeah ai voice synth does that now
Who cares, Majel Barrett was an absolute legend and sounds great anyway.
It is funny though that she has a distinct 'robotic' sound to her, very flat delivery.. yet holograms were capable of speaking much more naturally. Data could speak with distinction, but somehow couldn't be programmed to be totally natural.
Yeah, Noonien gave Lore the suave, natural voice. RIP Data.
I guess it's better to have a cold, calculating, but still humanlike computer voice so Geordi doesn't run off and have an fling with it.
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@@KairuHakubi yes that should have been the criticism here not the breath sounds, because not only is that possible, AI does that now
as far as chekov recongizing Khan, it's said that Chekov was a lower decks person during the events of Space Seed and ran into Khan during the events of the episode, but off camera, the joke was Khan needed to use the restroom,. and Chekov managed to plug the one sit-down toilet in the area, upsetting Khan to no end, thus why he had such malace against Chekov during the movie.
Biggest mistakes they keep making is impulse speed. Kirk calling for 1/4 impulse out of space dock then the Enterprise slowly comes out.
Yeah, that should have been "Thrusters, one-quarter," or something like that.
3:18 OH HELL NAW!! That JJverse Kirk is NOT the Kirk we “know and love”! Real-Kirk , before becoming captain, was a straight-laced, by-the-book junior (then senior) officer until he learned how to be flexible as the captain of a starship out on the fringes of known space. The Kirk JJ verse presented us was a “break all the rules, fly by the seat of your pants” that should never have been in Starfleet at all. I hate the JJ verse for how it screwed up all the characters and the ship and all the rules/lore….pretty much everything that was Trek he screwed up. When the Star Trek started behaving like Star Wars under his direction it was great. Action, Pew-pew, and blowing crap up just like Star Wars is what JJ Abrams loved. He’s flat out said in interviews he never even bother watching any of the Star Trek before making the movie.
YES!!!
Seriously, the whole "can't catch up to us while we are in warp" flies in the face of canon saying there are multiple warp speeds long before JJ's mutant trek universe... THAT was the thing that ruined that movie for me. It was just STUPID crap written by someone who had probably never watched star trek. Girl's line "If you think you're safe at warp, you're wrong" gave me a headache, literally...
4:06 John Luke Picard? Huh. Seems like Star Trek isn't the only on that makes mistakes.
5:24 The formation of a black hole with the mass of Vulcan would do literally nothing to nearby planets. Literally. Nothing. It still has the same mass.
Let us not forget about James R Kirk's tombstone. 😮
The biggest and most unforgivable error in Star Trek is when they first gave and then took away Data's IMPOSSIBLE TO REMOVE sense of humor.
I was looking forward to robot humor but noooOOOooo.
that's not how I remember it. Lore tricked Soong into putting the chip into him instead, it was damaged or potentially damaged but Data kept it anyway, then in the movies he brought it out again, having apparently repaired it into a completely different and much larger prop, put it in, and found it somewhat distracting, so he made sure to turn it off during serious moments. did I miss a bit?
@@KairuHakubi Yes. It was Either the doctor or the engineer that said specifically it could not be removed without destroying the brain of Data.
@@empurress77 and when did they remove it? I didn't watch Nemesis because it was clearly terrible, was it in that?
Also considering the chip installs under the fingernail, I can't imagine it would hurt his brain that badly to remove. At least, that's where Lore kept it.
@@KairuHakubi Check out (i think) This event is depicted in the movie "Star Trek Generations
New Zealand is covered by clouds in that shot.
I’m not saying this is AI but it’s AI. 🖕
Trelane says to Lieutenant Jaeger, "Eins, Zwei, Drei, Vier, Gehen wir mit den Schießgewehr". In English, that translates to "One, Two, Three, Four, We're walking with a machine gun."
Clearly, he at least had knowledge of World War I... possibly the World War II. That would be from the early through the mid 1900's.
Schießgewehr is NOT Machinegun
It resembles much more a Musket or Carbine
@@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701 Are you a democrat? You argue the superfluous and tangential,while ignoring the main point entirely.
Whether a rifle or a machine gun, the German song "Der kleine Marsch" had no place in history prior to the early 20th Century.
As far as the computer voice breathing, Chat GPT breaths, and it's impossible to make it interact without breathing. I guess it's meant to make conversations more realistic.
yeah if anything the star trek computer sounds too robotic seeing as now computer voices are getting more and more natural, but in the 90s no one even thought of that
TOS episode "Court Marshel" McCoy held the white sound device to Spock's chest to mask his heart beat.
*Martial, but yeah.
@@ImYourOverlord Thanks.
if memory serves, Nero was at the klingon prison, Rura Penthe, mentioned in the deleted scenes, hence the reason why "47 klingon ships were destroyed".....as a klingon was torturing Nero as to the technology, up to including Ceti Eels (which Nero used on Pike later on)
The most annoying mistake occurs in the TNG final episode All Good Things when the writers suddenly forget to realise how anti-time works. In the future timeline, the anti-time anomaly is "not there" which would make sense as it grows larger as one goes backwards in time, but at the denoument of the episode they just happen to find it in its initial state - which would be impossible according to the story's internal logic, as it would have had to grown in size forwards in time from near nothingness earlier in the episode.
I would argue for the Nero thing, by saying it’s entirely believable that those 25 years were spent repairing the ship after the Kelvin crashed into it. Now sure, that’s never explicitly said, but it’s something that could explain it.
ChatGPT adds breaths for more realistic audio. So, you could say it's a feature, not a bug.
They made up for it alright. Colm Meaney appeared in more episodes of the franchise than any other Star Trek character. Except maybe Michael Dorn (Worf), and Majel Barrett (computer voice) notwithstanding.
One thing that always bothered me was that Picard was supposed to be a Frenchman but he was so obviously British! He had a British accent and drank tea for crying out loud! Why couldn't they have just anglicized his name and have him be British from the beginning. He could have easily just been John Luke Picard.
"collaborative fan site" just shows how far wiki sites have fallen that we aren't even calling them that anymore.
What i imagine happened is, transporters already have multiple redundant backup systems to keep them from messing up regularly, so it's very difficult to use them in any way that would A) require those to be turned off (like cloud saves copying over a save you were trying to edit) and/or B) require new safeguards of their own that might be really hard to build. I mean there are actual units in the transporters that account for the inability to truly know where any electrons are, so it could be that when they used it to save Pulaski, that was a shot in the dark, could easily have failed, and the technique was immediately sent to Daystrom to work out safely before it could be rolled out for anyone else and authorized for use. That's.. at least in like with Star Trek.
So first glaring mistake on my list is Scotty , and his appearance in the next generation and in the film generations, the episode of next gen with Scotty is a very good sci-fy episode and generations is full of mistakes, the way the enterprise-D goes down is almost scene for scene copy of the enterprise-C episode, and how the fact that the enterprise-D goes down against an 80 year old bird of prey, any advantage that the bird of prey has is only explained by incompetence on the enterprise crews part. The flag ship getting destroyed by an 80 year old ship, Riker should be charged for that level of incompetence.
"couldn't use contractions due to programming limitations"
NO. Thats what Lore said. Doesn't make it so.
There is no such rank as "Ensign Junior Grade".
They did finally explore the transporter's ability to rewrite DNA in the final season of Picard when then the Changelings and Borg used it to rewrite DNA and assimilated the younger members of Starfleet.
Several Treckies and I went into The Wrath Of Kahn and Checkov. We came up with the plausible account that Checkov was on the Enterprise during Space Seed just not stationed onto the bridge. If this was true, Kahn would have known this due to his advanced genetic abilities as well as the access to the Enterprise's computer
Yeah, that's what I always thought. He's a supergenius with an eidetic memory. Him telling Chekov "I never forget a face" isn't him saying "I remember meeting you" it's one of his typical brags about how he just memorized the Enterprise personnel files.
All I have to say is I'm investing in Crescent tools cuz Scotty left one conveniently on his workbench for Kirk hit a bad guy over the head with. I always pictured Scotty saying saying " laddie will you hand me that crescent wrench so I can get us to warp four".
O'Brien IS his last name. You mean he didn't get a first name until later, or do you mean he didn't get a full name until later? Oh the irony of mistakes that are hard to ignore.
the transporter one is a mistake too. they mess with the transporters all the time in voyager.
The 2009 STAR TREK movie went ridiculous re. the transporter, with not-remotely-Scotty's transporter being able to send people across indeterminate distances into a ship travelling at warp speed; in INTO DARKNESS, not-remotely-Khan could transport blindly across interstellar distances from Earth to the Klingon homeworld, where an infinitesimal variance could put him a mile above the ground or under it.
O'brien's rank is mentioned in the show. Worf's adoptive father says to o'brien "always good to meet another chief petty officer". Episode "Family"
Something funny happened with Colm Meaney. He was reading the script for the first episode in which his name was established & got pissed off that they were giving his part to someone else. Jonathan Frakes explained to him that they were finally naming his character.
Spock watching Vulcan getting destroyed may have been much worse than watching Mars explode from Earth as Memory Alpha has 2 planets named Delta Vega and one of them wasn't even in the same star system as Vulcan and should never have been visible to him even after however many years it would take the light to travel that far. Was it clearly stated that he was in the Vulcan system?
The Chekov / Khan issue is not a mistake. The Enterprise had a crew of approximately 430 so we were not going to see all of them interact with Khan. It would be different if the series showed Chekov joining the crew later instead of simply starting to show him. It is not like Ro Laren recognizing someone from a season 1 episode of TNG.
Data actually used a contraction earlier in the same episode that established that he couldn't / could not.
I think O'Brien's official title was Senior Chief Specialist. That's what his dad called him anyway ("Shadowplay").
Another example of screwy ranks was the first season of Voyager... Tuvok and Tom Paris both had the wrong insignia for half the season. Also, Harry Kim had the wrong rank for about five: he should have made lieutenant around about "Basics".
Imagine an artificial intelligence as powerful as Data, and it can't do contractions for some reason. I guess apostrophes use a lot of computing power
I believe Dr. Soong explains it was an intentional design choice after people were uncomfortable with Lore's human-ness.
In the first episode, O'Brien was working at Ops, not the transporter.
Actually, he was conn and Data was ops. The positions would be switched after the pilot.
@@dan1216 Really!? I did not know that. Cool! Thanks!
it would have made more sense to make it so Lore couldn't use contractions. It'd solve the problem of Data already using them, and Lore was supposed to be the inferior model
Read through like 50 comments, cant get even ONE call out to the Warp 5 speed limitation set in TNG. Pretty much forgotten after a few episodes, the writers couldn't be bothered to actually do an episode to just fix the issue directly, we just have to wonder how the fixed the universe of the ecological issues of warp drive...
You forget these shows are made by people; who aren’t perfect. Name one show where there are zero mistakes made.
"Missing New Zealand" is just wrong. I spent way too much time during breakfast lining up a world map of the south Pacific with my 4K copy of "First Contact." The table at the bottom of the screen blocks the view of where NZ would be. It's not missing, just not shown.
Instead of having New Zealand, it is smooth down there like a Ken doll.
How do you mess up the very first fact, O’Brien yes he was an unnamed crew, but he wasn’t the transporter chief at that time. He was the helmsman.
You should have someone review your scripts because this is hilarious and I’m done watching the rest of it because I just suspect it’s all garbage so I would try to do better
He also basically said that O'Brien was his first name.
If everyone just slingshots around a Sun,to go back in time,everytime something goes wrong,nothing will ever get done!
8:09 *"So the Star Fleet officers are either absolute trash at …"*
TOS quite deliberately kept the century vague. Exact years weren’t established until TNG. So it seems rather unfair to call this an error.
Confronted pasts and possibly characters with different ages or even origins aren't so simple to redress through alternatives than reboots. Because it's down to star dates and shifts in timelines via huge arc stories. There's also oddities in old stories, sometimes brushed over or sometimes altered slightly to become something different from the base stories that it started with. Each variation of Star Trek movie and television series doesn't appear overlap with the fact that the original has achieved to give a better star date, though it did cause odd backstories with some episodes. But considering the lore of most important moments in Star Trek, things aren't quite easy to alter back because of its creation back in the 60s, like a story is always down to whom is the writing the next lore in Star Trek. Boldly Continuing To Venture Amongst the Galaxies a Titan Of A Story a shifting lore.
I've seen a few mistakes, like Data's rank in All Good Things, a missing com badge on an admiral, and of course Geordi's uniform in the final scene of Yesterday's Enterprise. I think Barklay's rank was backwards once too....
A better title would have been "Star Trek Mistakes That No One Cares About"
Yeah as a six year old kid that transporter accident kinda freaked me out, so much so that whenever I watched that movie again I'd always fast forward over that part of the tape.
Actually, as a NZer, the map shown, shows the top of Australia. NZ is just south of Tasmania, which is only just shown. Also , it's a globe map, so the curveture is more pronounced than on a Mercator map
Uploading other people’s videos? 🤔
12:12 No, they didn't drop the idea that Data couldn't use contractions. There's a whole scene where he talks about it with Lal, season 3 episode 16.
9:49 "breathing, something the computer would not do"
enter 2024 when AI generated voice does emulate breathing
Warp is not an increase in speed... it is a shortening of distance hence the term 'Warp'. Every Sci Fi franchise does it a bit differently but all understand that nothing can go faster than light. What they do is they alter HOW something travels... In most cases they create another layer of space that allows for shorter flight between two points (Hyperspace). Star Trek for whatever reason chose to literally bend real space through usage of a Warp Field. It is why ships can come out of warp near each other or at the exact spot... because they are not moving faster... they are setting a course for a specific point in space and bending space around themselves in such a way to reach that point faster. Now... there IS a mistake here just not the simple calculation of speed. I cannot remember the episode but a Next Gen episode that was an allegory for environmental damage basically stated that excessive use of high level warp fields was tearing apart the fabric of subspace and that if they did not stop using it all warp travel would become impossible. At the end of the episode, it was stated that all warp speed would be limited to six or lower and this was talked about precisely... never again lol.
But there's so many, so why isn't this video an hour long?
Or Chekov simply reviewed old footage from the ship's computer as a perfectly understandable preparation for his new assignment. Has the the narrator never heard of video footage or photography?
Maybe New Zealand was a victim of rising ocean levels. However, it was still a chain of small islands hard to see from their vantage point in orbit.
they said that in the video
@@NeoTechni They didn't mention the chain of small islands.
That's very true about the 2009 version, I only found out Nero and his crew were imprisoned on Rura Penthe for 25 years when I read the comic book story after watching the film, that is kind of an important omission. As is the fact that the Narada may be a simple mining vessel as Nero claims but it looked nothing like that originally nor did it have the firepower, this was a result of the Tal Shiar upgrading it with Borg technology after Romulus was destroyed.
Great video. On the computer taking a breath while speaking. On GB news the AI sports reader also takes a breath between certain words. The idea to sound as human like as possible
the old guy fighting riker isnt a stunt double. thats a mistake.
What about Tribbles??? They ate all the grain but where were the litter boxes!!
Can we all just agree that Abrams Trek is bad Trek?
yes
Don't forget the Riker transporter incident,
O'Brien was identified as "Chief Petty Officer" on screen in the third season of TNG episode "Family." You need to do better research.
they didnt drop the idea that data cant say contractions. he does use contractions when acting though.
You discuss the Khan/Chekov issue like no one's ever thought of it before, but it's older than you sound. You get a thumbs down from me.
This channel feels like Al.
at WARP 9
it would take the
USS ENTERPRISE
1 year to travel 1000 light years
also, in the season 2 episode Time Squared when Data and Geordi are inspecting the 2nd Picard's shuttle Data is seen scratching his cheek. something an android would not need to do.
Abrams' "universe" shouldn't count because it's not Star Trek, it's Star Crap.
New Zealand would be south-southeast just out of view from this perspective.
New Zealand isn't in the Star Trek universe
Didnt notice and don't care about any of these. They don't detract from the show for me.
Video about Star Trek mistakes....."narrator" mispronounces Ceti Alpha
What about the character of Zephram Cochrane? He first appeared in the episode Metamorphosis in Star Trek. In this story he is acknowledged as the discoverer of the space warp. He is not from Earth. However in the next generation movie First Contact they say he is from Earth. Woops. Watch the Star Trek episode then watch the First Contact movie.
The books cover it. It's not that he's from Alpha Centauri, it's just that he's known for living there more than any human
i feel intelligent most of the time. this video brings me back to reality i didnt notice any of this stuff. suspension of disbelief allows me to enjoy star trek. i love all of it the shows the movies good stuff
Great episode!! I didn't know a number of these mistakes and oversights. Thank you for putting this list together......greatly appreciated. 👍👍
Well if he hadn't waited then its possible Spock wouldn't have been born and many other things wouldn't occur. Its not lazy its smart.
New Zealand was moved.
3:02 Are you saying Nero isn't responsible for George Kirk's death, or it took him a few minutes?
You are talking about "plot devices" they are there to further the plot not be combed over like it's reality.......it's a tv show ....relax and enjoy....
Most of this list is pretty nitpicky. If you don't like the show, don't watch it.
While it is true that sentience was a concept explored through Data, They would do that through his emotion chip. As sentience is not the ability to do critical reasoning or think logically. Sentience is the ability to feel along with enough brainpower to process sensations such as pleasure.
Thinking = sapience... just think _homo sapiens_ = *thinking* man
edit: typo
"sapiens" with an -s; it’s a Latin singular adjective, not an English plural. (The Latin plural would be "homines sapientes", but that’s not really done with species names.) Sorry, just a favourite pet peeve. :)
@@monolalia fixed
edit: the whole sentience/sapience thing is one of my pet peeves.
@@monolalia I was just thinking; It is not that it isn't done, it cannot be done (outside of simply using a languages rules for pluralization). One species is ultimately classified as a different species mainly by one factor. Their ability to have viable offspring (i.e. offspring that can have their own offspring).
So there is actually zero reason to do it at the level of a single species. Indeed, the very idea is mutually exclusive.
Feels like an option in a program that you can hover the mouse over and get popup text for, but is still greyed out and inoperable.
@@whyjnot420 An individual of that species is also referred to by the species name: "Look! There goes a homo sapiens!" And the plural still uses the singular species name: "Look! There go eleven homo sapiens!"
Warp speed is cubed. Warp 2 is 8 times the speed of light, warp 3 is 27 times the speed of light, etc etc
No it's not
Two to the third power is 8. And yeah, that was the official conversion rate, but it's still much too slow for the distances they were traveling.
The original Star Fleet Technical Manual (pub. 1975) explained Warp Speed in great detail.
@ Um.. ya, it is.
@@michaelallen9294 and then the warp scale was revised for TNG
His rank is mentioned in ds9
Too bad you used AI to do this instead of a human reading it....
sad
Kelvin timeline is just rubbish.