Palm Springs revamps trailer park with mid-century tiny homes
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2018
- Built in the 1940s, the Palm Canyon Mobile Club was showing its age when the owners approached realtor Paul Kaplan about helping to sell new homes in the park. Kaplan suggested a fresh start:investing in tiny homes instead of traditional mobile homes.
Rather than partnering with a prefab designer or tiny home architect, they chose to work with a traditional mobile home manufacturer because of the scale of the project (100 homes).
Working with manufactured home builder Silvercrest, they pushed for a modern, Midcentury-inspired design more fitting of Palm Springs and avoiding some of the hallmark details of conventional mobile homes like ceiling moldings and six-panel doors.
"There's also a stigma against mobile home parks," explains Kaplan. "You know the whole trailer trash kind of thing, and I think people are re-looking at it and seeing it really provides a nice sense of community." The Palm Canyon Mobile Club has a renovated pool and clubhouse with workout room and community kitchen. The houses start at $115,000 for the 600 square foot model, with a $650 monthly rental fee for the site.
www.palmcanyonmobileclub.com/
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This man should be a city planner. Brilliant ideas in the layout of those homes. Just brilliant.
I've lived in a manufactured home community and all I can say is, "Never again." It's much more expensive than the home I'm in now with lot rent, upkeep is just like a real home's if you want to keep it nice, you're at the mercy of poor management, and boozing, gossipping, and hearing the paramedics' sirens are the main events.
The rent for the land can go up every year! $650 and up, up, up, until it becomes unaffordable.
Also, 200k is way too expensive!
I pay 700 in s.fl
And, the county will want you to pay property taxes on your "Luxury mobile home"! So, you can end up paying space rent, home mortgage payments, homeowner's insurance and property taxes to the county. 👎
@James Gorczyca my rent includes basic yard mowing, The electric is a separate bill from Fpl. The water and sewage bill is added to the 600.00 base rent.. it averages 700.00 monthly . Trailers are registered like vehicles 40.00 a year or 80.00 for a double wide. A tax bill from the county comes separately and is about 40.00 a year. The trailers are trash but going for 29.000 +
The rent does go UP every year! My mom lives in one of these parks. They are BAD investments.
Well they have to make an undeserved profit.
In the south my grandparents lived in something like this. Back in the 40s it was called a shot gun house. My Grandad built his own.
I live in the south. This is so not a shotgun house. This is upscale. Shotgun houses arent by any way upscale
Wow 200k plus 650 in rent to live in a mobile home. I know it's Cali but damn. It really makes me appreciate living in the midwest.
650 in rent is normal here in the state, not sure about the 200k though. I will assure you that most mobile home is cheaper than this. My mom recently bought her for 50k. But then again, this is Palm Spring. If you are crazy enough to live in the desert, i guess you can buy a 200k small house
@@lotus_dream650 rent is normal where I live too, but for an appt. Or house with a roommate or two. Not for a piece of empty land. California overall is just way too expensive.
Who wants to live in shitty Texas?
$200,000 to buy plus $650 per month lot rent or HOA fees is bargain basement by California standards, where to get a relatively decent home usually means paying at least $750,000 plus several thousand dollars in lot rent or HOA fees! Though, why anyone would want to live in Commiefornia is beyond me!
I currently live ina mobile home in bay area cost value is around 300k space rents 1800 so its actualy affordable
This is a wonderful development! So happy to see Palm Springs officials and the land owners here willing to think outside the box. Those new small homes are gorgeous!
There is no box
I love the concept, but, i would never trust a person owning the master lease, that can change anytime
I bet k h is incorrect and theses sell fast I looked up the website and they are almost all gone. You can move one onto your own land so not really a scam if you like the house buy it and move it. If you bought a mobile home from a dealer you would need land too so where is the scam? Mobile home lot rents go up all the time jsut like real estate and prices of land.
@@kh-ln8zs Why are they almost all sold then? I looked up the website and they are about gone!
bay be Suckers are born every minute. It’s a trap.
People have made a lot of money buying mobile home parks and then jacking the rate up 40 percent. And most mobile homes aren't mobile after they have been sitting for decades. So the owner has no choice but to pay.
As if anyone was running to buy the older versions to begin with. The updates will sell
And they can raise your lot rent and price you out whenever they want. It's a trap!!!
So buy it and move it no one said you had to rent the lot it is just an option
@@fashionforwardmom Nobody does that, fool.
@@samd1405 you don't have to be a jerk
@@fashionforwardmom You were the jerk first, imo
No doubt tiny homes will last longer than particle board water soluble trailers. Lot rent is a huge issue, screw that may as well live in an apartment.
Tiny homes were originally to escape the rent trap and to get out of debt . It’s interesting to see it become capitalized, but I’m not surprised.
Warren Buffet's company owns the largest mobile home builder in the US and makes the most loans in the industry.
How would a tiny home ever escape rent? You have to put the home on someone else's land (rent) or land you purchased ($$ + taxes).
Shannon Marie, capitalised or weaponised... Low income earners can't afford this...
@@hunter371
I love in a manufactured home near Palm Springs. We OWN or dirt. We pay a maintenance fee every month to maintain our pool, spas, tennis court, shuffle board, pickle ball, and horseshoe court, along with a restaurant, club house and 2 golf courses @ aprox $250 a month. Some of the other communities pay a space RENT of up to $1100 a month.
@@supershane1960
What we are paying for our manufactured home plus
our manitance fee (we own our dirt (lot) is just above what we paid in RENT on a 2 br 1.5 bath 760 sq ft 55+ age limit apartment. My home is larger than my old apartment AND I have my own yard for my fur babies with outdoor storage (we where paying nearly $200 a month for a shortage unit). We do have options in the desert. We just don't have a Palm Springs address anymore, aka, no longer snobs.
We own a 14’ x 70’ 1970’s mobile home near a lake and have renovated the interior ourselves as an open concept and added a large screen porch. We use it as a summer home and we enjoy it soo much. Its easy to maintain and clean. We can winterize it easily. It is so easy to reconfigure the space. I just really enjoy opening this little place up for the season. It feels more like home to me than our normal house. Many people look at us like we are from the moon when we tell them we bought a mobile home. Don’t knock it until you try it! 😉 As we age it can easily be where we live permanently.
+Janette Lavender I live in So.Cali and it's quite common for us to have older trailers we vacation in when we go to the river. I think there are many homeowners who feel the way you do too. Sounds like you're my kind of people.
Hi Janette, do you mind me asking where your mobile home is, or what lake it's near? My wife and I are thinking of getting a second home somewhere and were thinking of a condo. But something like this small mobile home with a deck and everything seems far better! Thanks in advance. :)
I envy you. Sound awesome!
Considering Sears got out of the home kit sales business after wartime, this is one area I've thought they could benefit in selling to rejuvenate their business model. Sell the home kits and partner with a nationwide builder so people can get back to affordable living. Small towns, sprawling big cities and other communities who could establish a solid residential growth model.
That's beautiful, my heart just fell in love with the fact that it's Palm Springs too!
These designs look so clean and neat.
Thanks Inez.
Give it 5 years. They'll be outdated and dilapidated.
another troll... @@CaptainCocaine
I looked at a home in this park last week. Great location in Palm Springs. Close to downtown, nestled against the hills, and not in a windy area. Right now it's a mix of the old and new, very much still in the process of gentrifying. The tiny manufactured homes themselves are gorgeous but overpriced for what they are. When you add the monthly lot rental on top (over $600), no thanks. You can have a very nice traditional condo in Palm Springs for the same price or even less. The houses are really on top of one another, not much privacy. I wouldn't enjoy spending much time on the outside patio when you can reach across the lot line and shake your neighbor's hand from your deck. Since so much space is dedicated to outside decks, more thought should have been given to shade cover, either a retractable awning or some sort of pergola structure. With the extreme desert heat, they are unusable for five months of the year during the daytime.
They would have been smarter to go with putting the decks at the back and creating a private backyard space. When all is said and done, these are upscale mobile homes, tiny and expensive.
For some people, this concept will work well. I hope this park succeeds, the concept is good, but I don't see the price value. I thought the whole point of tiny homes is to downsize, live cheaply, and live well.
Thanks for your comments John. Just to clarify, we do have pergola structures over the decks as an option that provides shade, although some people have chosen not to install them. Additionally you can fence off your yard to provide private yard space. You're right, you can probably find a nice traditional condo in Palm Springs in the same price range. However we offer these homes as an alternative for someone that perhaps doesn't want shared walls, or someone living above or below you. I hope you were able to find something you like, we're happy to help you with your search. Thanks again for visiting our homes. Paul
I like your idea that they could add the porch to the back and have a bigger fence to the sides. It will be interesting to see how much they can upgrade it from "trailor park" to small house community living.
@@paulkaplangroup Gracious response, Paul. The project looks very thoughtful and innovative.
These manufactured homes have no relation to tiny homes and the tiny house ethic. They are slightly altered mobile homes. Their purpose is to make money for their manufacturers and the park. I'm truly disappointed.
John Lohr I’ve lived in a condo but it became a nightmare when one person was buying them up and then controlled the whole association to the point that our opinion no longer mattered. We ended selling ours to this take over guy and we bought a nice doublewide in a park on a corner lot. We have a fireplace, 3 bedrooms, 2 full baths high ceilings closets with shelving that goes up to the roof ; highest to the inside where roof peak is. We could not use the outside area at the condo as it became like a run down ghetto. At least i can go outside and sit on my deck and plant gardens in the ground and have a picnic. This park is nice . My park has a pool also and rules against missing or busted out siding. You must wash you house off too. We can have 2 small pets also. These tiny houses are nice. That park will be nice when they are done upgrading it. I do think more should be done to keep the ground rent as low as possible in all the parks.
Our smallest home is 600 square feet.
Me: *watches from a 1940’s 529 square foot home*
We all have same thought. Tiny home movement was meant for affordability and no debt !! Try 25K and can be just as cool 😎
LOL. Not in Palm Springs CA
Exactly. I caught on to the movement back in '06. The primary goal was...wait for it... AFFORDABILITY. Not about hipster style or tends...
So light and airy. I love them.
The main idea of tiny homes was to get away from all those bills . Paying rent to someone. To right out own your house no rent taxes . HOA fees serioulsy might as well go get a condo. This truly makes no sense . Might as well get an apartment .
Rich Diamonds yeah I know bro. folks are getting away from the original purpose and getting greedy. you can buy a regular home for these prices. I'm studying construction and design now and when I design and build my tiny houses they will be affordable for low income families.
PEACE - THANKS MS. KRISTEN FOR THE UPLOAD. I HAVE ADMIRED YOUR HARD WORK AND DEDICATION IN THE TINY/HOME MOVEMENT! YOU HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE SOME TIME. THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH FOR YOUR HARD WORK!!! ANYHOO! I AGREE WITH THOSE WHO COMMENTED THAT THE TINY/SMALL HOME MOVEMENT WAS AND REMAINS A WONDERFUL AND MUCH NEEDED IDEA. MANY HARD WORKING PEOPLE (SOME OF WHICH ARE WORKING 2/3 JOBS) ARE BEING FORCED INTO HOMELESSNESS AS THE RESULT OF THE OVER-PRICED HOUSING MARKET. HOWEVER, THE POWERS THAT THINK THEY BE ARE CREATING WAYS TO STOP THIS MOVEMENT. STATES ARE BANNING THE BUILDING OF TINY/SMALL HOMES RESTRICTING THE AREAS WHERE ONE CAN BE BUILT, HOUSING CODES, ETC. I SUPPORT THE TINY/SMALL HOUSING MOVEMENT BECAUSE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOES NOT EXSIST IN THIS COUNTRY. AS THE RESULT OF LOW WAGES, HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT RATE, COUPLED WITH THE HIGH COST OF UTILITIES, WE ARE LIVING IN A COUNTRY WHERE 95% OF THE US POPULATION ARE IS ONE BREATH AWAY FROM DIRE STRAITS. WE NEED THE TINY/SMALL HOMES! MS. KRISTEN, IF POSSIBLE WOULD YOU PLEASE UPLOAD SOME OF THE MOBILITY ACCESSIBLE HOMES? PS. I'M NOT YELLING I WRITE IN CAP DUE TO VISION PROBLEMS.
Rich Diamonds I had a condo. Condo owners certainly do pay HOA dues each month! I sold my condo and bought a double wide. I pay lot rent instaed of condo dues. I cant believe you thought condo owners don’t pay monthly dues. Who do you think maintains all the common areas? The condo owners do!
Angela Ackerman Where did he say that?! He’s saying that one of the main purposes of a tiny home is financial freedom. If you’re going to have to pay a high HOA anyways, you may as well get a condo. I totally agree with that. Developers are now about to take the tiny home idea and run with it, defeating its initial purpose.
@@angelaackerman8934 I said instead of spending all that money on such little space it would make more sense to get a condo. I know about HOA fees and all that . I've never believed in HOA fees . I can do all that work myself .
Always remember there's a 'space lot' monthly rental fee, usually increases every year. Eventually it will out budget you since most fees begin around 500. on top of your mortgage if you have one. Also keep in mind the park owner could at some point sell the land right out underneath you and the new owner, nor the old owner owe you anything, not even relocation fees or buying your unit.
Is this info true...this will definitely change my mind about saving for tiny homes.!😨
Amen... exactly !!!
I guess this is the cons of living in this type of area
@@HangNguyen-ih8rf exactly!!! ... every time the wage goes UP ... so does ALL....
We are in a vice... can't wiggle out of it....
Owners are owners...renters are renters...
The vice closes......
I have lived in a manufactured home community in Lewes, DE for 18 years, in August the owner sold out to RHP, their track record across the country is to squeeze every last penny out of you, they already double the 3.2% to 6.9%. They say they are going to make all these improvements , (shovel some dirt = Major Improvement = rent increase beyond state cap.
It definitely feels / looks like a Southern California House... Almost like a Beach House!
These are fun ~ Thank You for sharing!
I live in a mobile home park, having downsized from my traditional home upon retiring. Guess what? I love it! There is something about not having front yards and curbs and traffic that makes it friendlier. Where I used to live, for 21 years, I had only knew one neighbor, my next door neighbor to my left. Here I know the neighbors on all sides, at least some of them. We look out for each other, we water plants or collect mail when we are gone on vacation, and it's a friendlier, happier way to live. I recommend it!
Me too! We're in a retirement community and love it. Our home is 1100sf and just right. Our neighbors are just like neighbors anywhere, some are social and some aren't. We all get along 😀
Can you tell me if seeing that you're to tight knit near each other, ia there a lot if gossiping amonst each other. Do you find that you have to fit in a certain way ir your neighbors will criticize you for not doing as they do. Is it like living in a small town where everyone knows what you're doing ? I like to blend in not be the center of attention but I also love my quiet space.
@@almagrijalva6399 we have a 300 home community. About 6 people are the type who find fault with everything. They don't even come to our parties, but they bitch if the calendar is changed... 😂. Some just work and go home, keeping to themselves. And, about a dozen are involved, volunteer to set up parties, and really help their neighbors. Be who you want to be.
+Susan Sisson That doesn't surprise me one bit. I'm happy to hear you're happy because park living isn't for everybody.
Susan Sissan: I would say each mobile community has it's own atmosphere. Sounds like you found a pearl.
I would LOVE to move to Palm Springs...forget the stereotypes. I used to live 45 minutes away in Yucaipa, and there's a magic to low desert living you can't find anywhere else, like a harvest moon on the horizon just at sunset, bigger than you've ever seen before, against a pink dusky sky: no photography tricks and filters, just the real deal.
Wow never heard someone name drop Yucaipa before. Went to high school there.
PenelopeDinkledong S Your landscape description of Palm Springs CA, on point 👌🏻
@@PM-tc6sl Then you would love the cable show "Enlightened", with Laura Dern. It was set in Riverside/Yucaipa. Unfortunately got canceled after only one season. I loved it.
I love going there. The light is magic and the people are chill. can't wait to get a tiny place there.
@C. Michael how ignorant lol Yucaipa California is my HOMETOWN. Beautiful, quaint town with mountains all around us. Tennessee has crazies too, it's not a California thing 😉
Cool: Making the idea of living in a lower impact small home normalized. NOT cool: Charging $200,000 for a mobile home
Standard for SoCal
Even then u can get a bigger mobile home for 140,000-200000
Doctor Medkit the quality is definitely there for some, but expensive. You might like some of our tours.
j borrego you might like the homes and communities on our channel.
j borrego j borrego you might like the homes and communities on our channel.
Had me up until you rent the land. That was a huge mistake, they know very well these homes don’t travel well at all.
They made it to those lots so bet they travel to get there unless ALIENS bleeped them there. OMGosh that must of been what happened! How else would they have gotten there?
The homes settle after some years and become impossible to move. And how are you going to move your decks and car port? And YES. There are groups of people who buy up these parks, and increase your land rent by 40 percent. It is a trap.
Some of the people commenting here clearly don’t know much about tiny houses or mobile homes, or travel trailers. Even with travel trailers there are two types. The ones that you can go on a long vacation road trip, and the others are known as “park models”. A park model trailer doesn’t have water holding tanks or any other holding tanks so they ride lower to the ground and have taller ceilings.
I agree with others that the rent (and HOA fees & rules…) is very expensive and not smart forward thinking to rent land when you can buy rural land cheap and go off grid for the most part, even collecting rainwater in some areas of the country.
I think the price of these small homes is reasonable, I can probably build one cheaper but I really don’t have a year to spend building something right now.
I actually wouldn’t mind paying $650 a month rent for parking if it was on a much bigger lot, I don’t want to be arm’s-length away from my next-door neighbor.
As much as I like the design of these homes that give great consideration to privacy, let’s face it folks… You’re still living in a mobile home park and not everyone wants a “social hour” while they try to sit out and enjoy their deck
. I’ve been in those parks, if you expect to have quiet coffee in the morning and read your newspaper uninterrupted, that’s probably not going to happen, you get the morning crowd that comes by and wants to chill out and talk and talk and talk especially if they’re retired people if they’re very old they will have war stories or they want to tell you all about the house they live in six months a year in Michigan or Minnesota or Idaho or something, and how much they miss having just a good mid western casserole loaded with cholesterol and high salt high fat content, blah blah blah… it can get boring really quick. Then you get the whole other crowd that wants to come by starting from 4 PM to about 6 PM, I call them the goofy tiki bar happy hour cocktail lounge group. I’m a light drinker but I think there are a lot of people who are recovering alcoholic or abstain from alcohol for health reasons or spiritual reasons, I don’t think they want to sit out on the deck and have a bunch of drunks coming by with their cocktails wanting to get chatty.
Obviously a lot of different angles to this topic. In the big picture I like the design of these homes, but even at $200 a month I don’t think I would want to rent in a park where I’m parked so close to other small houses. I’m reminded a little bit of the famous book called “suburbia” by Bill Owens. I highly recommend it , also people should see the movie called “true stories”, music by the Talking Heads.
another troll@@HunterMann
A pet peeve of mine has always been kitchen cabinets that dont meet the ceiling. I'm short but dont mind using a stool! I just dont like the idea of dust & grime getting collected up there.
Ditto 👍
I don't know why they wouldn't make the cabinets meet the ceiling? That just leaves a space to collect dust you can't reach or mice! Very stupid idea!
Absolutely 👍🏻
Thanks for your input. Unfortunately the manufacturer doesn't make a cabinet option that can go to the ceiling. We've thought about making a solid soffit over the cabinets to address the concerns you bring up. Maybe we should pursue that in future models.
They keep the space because of shipping concerns with damage based on movement.
$135,000. Plus rent? To expensive! Crazy! No wonder we have to many homeless people!
Dandan I can believe you posted that response! A lot of people loose their housing do to job loss! It’s hard to get back on your feet when you are homeless with no place to keep clean and prepare for job interviews! A lot of seniors are now homeless because they can’t afford the cost of rent on an income of $1000.00 a month! You really are clueless!
Plus utilities. That's crazy. I can't imagine what they're pocketing on just the homes. (I get you have to make money but GEESH!)
You are right! No wonder the homeless population is out of control. It will only get worse if the cost of housing keeps escalating. It needs to be reasonable and without 'fine print' bull crap to get ripped off on later.
And you are also right about dandan being clueless. The 'overall' average homeless person is not homeless BECAUSE they have a drug addiction. Being homeless probably drives many toward drug addiction.... Iwould guess.
More people should care about providing adequate housing at an affordable cost instead of trying to make a 100% (OR MORE) profit increase on one sale. GREED
Most homeless people don't work because of 2 things: 1- difficulty finding work that pays enough to live. 2- mental acute mental health issues.
paytontech very true!
I know some who have physical and health issues too. They can not find a doctor to care for them or diagnose them properly because they don't (or didn't) have stellar insurance. It's very sad really. I think it frustrates me more when I see people defrauding all kinds of systems and are the first to be finger pointing to the destitute.
The world has more than enough resources to house, clothe and feed everyone many times over. The problem is not technical, but economical, as there is no incentive. But that is what the world pays for having capitalism as religion.
Smart building, smart design. A very cool concept with a lot of thought put into the creation. Why buy a condo when you can have homes like these? It’s very exciting!
Beautiful designs! Thanks for sharing
These are not "tiny homes" these are park models selling for twice the price of traditional tiny homes...
Agreed. This is just free advertising for the park owner. Bad move Kristen.
These are not park models which wouldn't be allowed today.
Actually, they're not park models. Park models cannot exceed 400 square feet; I heard him say the smallest home they're selling is 600 square feet. These are just smaller manufactured homes.
Good catch, Greg Varra! You put your finger right on it!!!
Park models used to be very expensive. It's like living in a closet.
I've never understood why they can't build these in a normal neighborhood without having to rent the land. The size is perfect, but I'm not paying somebody to rent land.
stacy mirba - that is a good question. My guessing is that a community with certain style has to maintain it . Just imagine if a trashy mobile home/trailer is installed in a fancy residency just because that person owned the lot , It’d bring the property value down. That’s my guessing.
If someone wanted to live in the same neighborhood in Palm Springs, if you could even find a vacant lot (they're few), you would expect to pay minimum $300,000 or more just for the land; then you would have to go through the building review process, have utilities brought to the site, etc., pay fees, which could add approx another $100,000 to your project. Before you even started building the actual home, you'd be into it for approx $400,000. For example, here's a newer home for sale across the street from our community, same neighborhood. Granted it is 4x the size of our homes, but the price is $1.2 million. www.paulkaplanrealtor.com/listing/18329226ps-123-w-camino-carmelita-palm-springs-ca-92264/.
Property taxes.
You are always just renting land.
There are a few mobile home communities where the lots are owned not rented. The streets, water & sewer are private and not maintained by the city or county, so still need HOA. Or buy a property where zoning allows a mobile home.
Perfectly stated,right sized but the concept of renting the lot is still stupid.Hard to imagine anyone placing a $100.000+and up home on a lot you don't purchase??Explains why no new parks like these haven't been built in decades.Overall if your going to buy a house no matter it's size,a Helluva lot easier to control individual costs per lot.With lot rental you have no control over costs.😐
The problem.: the lot rent goes up every year. And many restrictions. If you live on SS .and single, a few yrs. and you have to move. 😢
MIsleading. Lot rent goes up $50+ dollars per year and is still $710.
@@MrGopostal24 how much is it now?
It's still a trailer park. It's just more expensive now. Good job, capitalism!
Max K hmmmm
Yep. Just a higher class of trailer trash, but still a trailer park.
Ummm
We are in a "Corporatism Society"
Capitalism allows for independence in business, as opposed to Wal-Mart, Lowes, Pizza Hut, Microsoft, HP ...
Open a Hardware store and try to compete with Lowes...
Yep, that's not possible.
It is a result of the decreasing value of a Dollar.
...and it was and is a Republican and Federal Reserve Bank CORPORATION efforts, particularly post 1982 to present day (No it isn't under our US Treasury, it is PRIVATELY OWNED)
and this demand will drive up the lot lease payments on the less affluent tenants
You didn't hear what he said. He said that when the park was bought over 100 hundred of the trailers were vacant. Which means nobody was living there. And for 650 a month that's not bad at all. 😡
One of the challenges with tiny house living is to blend that with mobile homes. This development is one way to do it.
Amazing, Creative, Artistic, Unique, Cozy and it flows, theirs Privacy too. Love the window's, love looking at the sky than neighbor's. A new Lifestyle waiting for you....in Palm Springs. Where the "Sun" wakes you up, and the Night sky is illuminating with stars.............
Thanks Cyndi.
"You can tow them away whenever you want." Wrong. This man is fooling everyone or he's an idiot. The "mobile" in mobile homes only means these homes were built off-site and moved {mobilly) to their FINAL place of destination. Thus the name "mobile" and not named because such homes are ever meant to be moved once placed any more than an on-site build home is meant to be moved. To drive this point home, while ANY home can technically be moved, an off-site manufactured home, if moved, is no longer financeable (ie one cannot obtain a mortgage). Moreover, IF one chooses to move such a home, the cost in 2019 is no less than $25,000. That's affordable? I don't recall him mentioning that prices of renting the land beneath these homes rise uncontrollably which forces people out of their home.
Yup. These thing is a trap.
$650 /month is not any more than taxes in my area on a regular home.
Thank you for enlightening people
@@SL-pg4dh isn't that sad people will do anything for money. I was thinking wow that would be great I could get a small home but then they were just ripped me off for the land and sell my house because they own the land it really sounds better to live in my car that's sad
There are
1) motor homes
2) trailers
3)single w ides
4) double wides
5) modular
6) stick built
I am not sure if these are double wides or modular.
The distinction is whether the trailer is still underneath and the code it is built to.
No thanks. I'll keep my REAL tiny house/cabin which is PAID FOR and rent is only $175 a month!!
Rent dondr
If it's paid for....why are you paying rent? You totally contradict yourself.
Offgrid Jack in Cali?
Boofer T. Washington obviously she pays some kind of pad fee like the $650! you pay here
@@boofert.washington2499 that's lot rent. $175.00 is a steal
$650 per month for lot rent? California is not affordable at all.
Supply and demand. Reduce demand, and cost goes down.
Huh, you dont say????
net poser Greed!
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net poser Its Palm Springs, vacationland ; golf and tennis, winter escape. It’s a lifestyle choice.
My gosh-this was absolutely fascinating! I really love how perfectly adapted these homes are to their climate. Many of the older homes look like there is no or very little outdoor space to hang out. This realtor was correct-at least half the space is that phenomenal deck that wraps around the house. I would be out there nearly 24/7! I can only imagine escaping from the freezing Midwest winters and having that amazing deck to enjoy the fantastic Palm Springs weather. Ahhhhhh!!
Thanks Mary Anne
Thanks mum:)
About a year ago I was debating on a tiny home in Palm Springs and the space rent was $500. Now it’s $650. This is why I won’t buy a tiny house. There is no regulation on the rent space.
Catherine Segovia there are no regulations on any rented space. Costs are just going to keep going up. People need to stop polishing this turd and just call it what it is. Tiny house is a trailer. You want to live in a trailer, make sure to buy the land or expect to get screwed because most people don’t have this extra income.
Where I live, space rent is $400 and it’s a 3 bedroom, 2 bath, and they’re 2019 models and very very very nice. $125,000. I can give more info, if you’d like.
Capitalist state/state capitalist.
Lupita Yanez It will rise exponentially.
Catherine Segovia - Find a place (probably not California) where you can actually buy the land. Then you'll just need to worry about taxes.
This is my favorite video of all prefab and tiny home videos on UA-cam. Very clever ideas and informative.
I have a cottage that was built in 1940 in a California forest. 617 square feet. I agree that the outdoor space is as important as the indoor space; there's plenty of living space when the decks outside have a river flowing by and giant sequoias to enjoy. Nobody really needs a massive house, it's just something we've been indoctrinated to want. I really love this park!
Thanks. You cottage sounds lovely!
It’s still a trailer park! These are just updated trailers with a smaller footprint & a bigger price tag. Wake up people; the tiny home trend isn’t anything new or innovative
S Siberian So? To make an old design sound new and more palatable, they came up with a new term. I don’t understand the desire to be pedantic about it.
As long there is a space rent, I’ll avoid it.
@heehee mefunny I know right!
@@CalopsitaVanderbilt1911 I would agree with you if I could find the land or if the bank would allow me to mortgage the land and the home separate. Most banks won't allow that. I think that is why they made it an option to keep it where it is so you can find land later to move it on to.
Foolish builders by not going solar in hit weather climate.
Living in Australia, I was just thinking that!
Maybe it would make them too expensive or it didn't meet codes sure you could add them after you purchased one
Not sure if it’s the reason why but the sun sets over the San Jacquin mountain there quite early
The roofs are not strong enough to support solar panels.
@@MrGopostal24 if true, that could be addressed at the factory and it would be a nominal charge, especially if incorporated in all the new units.
I like how this guy describes the entire house design in one sentence.
For a sociable person, this looks ideal! Privacy plus community. It's about time someone took it up a few notches! Mobile home manufacturers are typically such dinosaurs.
Mary @H2OsEdge No way, Dinosaurs build mobile homes? Or is it the older homes that were built are dinosaurs?
Really cool concept and I love the idea of revamping and making an old space beautiful and modern. Bringing a place back to life.
These are still mobile homes in my opinion. That’s too much for a “tiny home.” These are still trailers.
Black Diamond Review EXACTLY! The logical builder was a trailer manufacturer. What a surprise! It’s an updated single-wide for an extra $75k. Tiny home. My grandparents used to live in one.
True, but I think they are more appealing because they've modernized them.
You can slap lipstick on a pig, but it's still just a pig.
It’s just a trailer/mobile home with a little bit more style. But all the same drawbacks. It’s not something new, just a facelift.
let's re-brand mobile homes with a trendy name..... this is hilarious.
Very cool how you are revitalizing these homes and park spaces for that community lifestyle. Love it!!!
Trailer park rent here in Portland Oregon is $800/month plus you buy the home and many are older/less modern than this. A few are cheaper but not necessarily great locations to live. He is meeting current market rates for what he's offering. He clearly thought this through and explains everything that the negative comments are about. This is life in 2018 America - the consequences of a consumer-based economy that has lost its middle class. It's not easy to start a community like this and make it financially viable - real estate is going up everywhere.
Thanks for your comments Lori.
You're welcome. I feel the same frustrations expressed here about affordability of homes in general, but you didn't create that problem. After researching tons of mobile homes and manufactured homes, yours are a cut above for sure.
Lori Ritchie and homelessness is going up everywhere.
i'm from europe (Belgium) are you kidding me 800$ rent to live in a trailer park. Here it is called a camping site, it costs between 100 euro to 200 euro a month depending on the quality and amenities(swimming pool, tennis court, laundry service...) You Americans have become totally programmed to buy all the crap the market and the government is selling you. You are slaves of a system you don't understand.
generalize much? @@Changeworld408
125k - 200k price range for a mobile home? HOA is $650 plus?
Paul is a very well known realtor in PS, but the trailer houses here in CA desert
should be under 100k !
HOA should be under $300 !
Thank you for this, I thought I did not understand correctly. I have a house in Hungary 100m2 on 1600m2 fertile land and my cost are average 50 Euro to maintain the house (incl elect, water, heating, gas, taxes, dirt) and 50 for my shopping (I have own fruits and veges of course) - the 60year old house cost 50k. So i am a bit speechless to see that crap so murderexpesive!
125K on the top end, not low end. Lol. Understand recouping cost, but these seem more like getaways/AirBnBs. The hipster furniture draws your eye away from the lack of architectural value and function. Very basic for what you are paying.
I've talked to many really good people who downsized to mobile home parks. Although there are many advantages the fact is most park owners money gauge their land renters. They know they often can't relocate because it is 15,000 and higher to move it and there are not many places to relocate .
Space rent can jump $200 and up in 6 months if there is no lease and when they want to. If you get behind they have it written in the contract that they will seize your home. I know people who have gotten hospitalized and had their homes taken.
When I was looking for houses in 2017, the Los Angeles space fees ranged from $900- $1350. $650 is definitely on the low end. The newer and farther into the Inland Empire I looked, the higher the price.
Basically they aren't helping the housing issue in California.
This just defy the purpose of a "Tiny Home". It's just a money grab.
those masions on the mountain actually make this video kinda sad....tiny home is good, but the land is not even own by the homeowner
so go buy land and put it on land that you own like a mobile home from a dealer
Home Owners Association Administration will rob your joy of living there
This statement is correct.
Finding the same in a Granite Bay, California trailer Park! The space rent is way to high for a lot! Moving!
I only have heard of bad rumors about this place.
@jennifer - I live in West Marin and people here are paying $2700 a month for a small 2 bedroom under the main house. I am pretty sure you have not tasted bay area rents lately. A few years back a fellow worker was renting a 320sq ft studio space in Nob Hill for $3200 a month and if you need a 4 bedroom plan on dropping $4k-$5k a month. A place in a upscale neighborhood will run $6k-$10k+ a month.
Because it's Granite Bay!
For me a place is a place, but apparently some places are "special" if you go by people's attitudes towards them.
I would live there in a heartbeat especially downsizing family and my home. Really nice job on building in privacy through the windows. It is like you have a beautiful view through the window that no one else has. Really like.
I LOVE how they have the windows higher up on the sides facing neighbor's deck. Good idea!
Kirsten - Your videos always open with a sense of excitement and anticipation. At the opening of this video you even make the approach to Palm Springs appealing to me and I can't stand Palm Springs. Thank you for the many adventures you take me on.
Seems expensive $135-200k just for the home, then $650 rent a month on top of it.
I like the design, not the cost.
Chaz Evansdale rip off
In actuality, tiny homes will take on” a life of their own “ . And they already are being used nationally as a means to alleviate homelessness. I’d pony up for a larger version of one of these, on my own lot in Colorado, by a stream. The application of what can be done, is vast indeed!
@@melangreathouse2209
yes. it would be great if it could to take off. 650. to rent the lot. what happens when you have a place built into lot your renting. rent gos up to 1000.00 but u own the house you on a limited income. what is a person to do then..
Thank you! I was at about 1/2 way through his "presentation" waiting for the information you put here! The prices are just way too high, especially to be out in the desert where it gets up to120 degrees in the summer! Forget that!
So with the house payment/taxes/insurance and lot rental your looking at round about $1650 per month. The price of 115K seems fairly reasonable for California, but I can't get my head around ponying up the extra $650 per month to for the couple hundred feet of land.
I will have to agree-
AdventureSportFlashlights but did he say that cost included some utilities? I was wonder just which ones, like if electric was under that or gas, water, garbage removal? Things like that?
DITO....
@@creolelady182 its a double note: slick ass california double punch
they get u coming and going
Folks have completely ruined the purpose of owning a tiny home 🤦🏾♀️
Land is hard to find...? Palm Springs is on one of the biggest deserts in the World... Its just the County that will not allow people to own a piece of land and put a mobile home on it, or a Dome Home, they want COMPLETE CONTROL.
@Baba Ganush you're fun at parties, aren't you?
Depends, the area where it’s at up against the San Jacinto mtns is in demand, but go on the other side of the freeways to Desert Hot Springs and you can get property cheap, but DHS isn’t as nice.
OWN YOUR LAND... THESE PEOPLE ARE CREATING A NEW TRAP.
@Baba Ganush Are you stupid? Palms Springs is part of the LARGER DESERT that includes... ALL OF ARIZONA, ALL OF NEW MEXICO, HALF OF TEXAS, 3/4 of UTAH, ALL OF NEVADA, 35% of California, 35% of Colorado.. and more, Im sure Im forgetting... so yea, Palms Springs is "PART OF" one of the biggest deserts in the World.
Cmscms You're right! It's only approx. 150 miles from the 10th largest desert in the world, the Mojave desert.
I love this house. I personally wouldn’t live with in Palm Springs, but the house is awesome and the design decisions of not letting big windows face each other goes a long way to give privacy in such cramped circumstances.
I like them too but not there, I like the little windows up top because I don't like a lot of light and I hate heat! We have a place in the mountains of Colorado, right now we just take the RV and go but we are planning to move there later and I think one of these would be the perfect size for a retirement home for us.
The privacy consideration from neighbors is priceless!! Excellent job on that. I wish all developers would think of that.
I love Palm Springs....in the winter
Thank you for finding this and sharing this. This is such a beautiful and affordable mid mod home
Expensive once you buy the property and rent the land
I wonder how many $650/month incomes are generated from an acre?
That’s confusing so if you pay off the cost of the home you still have to “rent” the land monthly?
650.00 for lot rent???? mobile home starts at 135,000.00???? omg
I know right? I just sold a house near New Orleans for $150K, 3 bedroom, 2 bath brick home, complete remodel on 1/2 an acre lot in nice neighborhood. I have another one to sell, wooden house on 1/5 acre on the water with 200 year old live oak in the front yard for $120k. Haven't decided about the 2 bedroom on 3/4 of an acre but it will be nowhere near $200k and whoever buys these will not have to deal with any HOA!
There are a dozen movie studios between New Orleans and Baton Rouge and you can't leave the house without checking for road closures for daily filming every morning so lots of good paying jobs I am sure. If you don't mind something like the "Swamp People" film crew showing up in the bayou in back of your house every now & then... LOL! That stopped me from taking out the trash in my housecoat Hahaha.
So it is not just assumptions for me, I know exactly how far out those prices are.
@@candidethirtythree4324 It is PALM SPRINGS. CALIFORNIA. Home prices have been outrageously inflated for decades...one reason so many people are leaving - or homeless. I'm native Southern Californian - I left in 1992 because I saw the writing on the wall and I could never go back. A lot of CA is like a third-world country now...very rich or very poor and not much in between. My beautiful California has been ruined by decades of control by crazy liberal policies... I do like these ideas for revamping old mobile home parks - some of them are real eyesores now. The prices for these aren't really out of line for new homes in So Cal, even such small ones...and small ones are hard to find. Try getting a nice condo for that!
You can buy a full size modular for that
@@laynetx1 Not sure what third-world countries you've been to, but if you think ANY major parts of California (republican and democrat) look like a third-world country, you haven't been paying attention to what those countries look like and what metro areas in California look like now. A LOT has changed. In the 90s, metro areas in California looked like it was stuck in the 40s/50s or elevated the "beach bum" mentality Cali is known for... old, run down and trashy. The other points in your comment makes sense, though. It's literally night and day now compared to the 90s.
I like the style, but the price for what you get is outrageous. My house is more than 1800 sqft, has a 2 car garage, a 10' X 25' covered patio, and is on a .6 acre lot. Paid $146,000 with no association fee.
waaaayyy too expensive. my house payment including taxes & insurance is $575/month and I dont have to rent the lot. crazy.
I’m sure it’s lovely.
Obviously you do not live in California. Or if you do your place is either very small or you bought before the property boom. I am imagining if you live in California your house is tiny. I pay twice as much as you with escrow included. So your place must be around 1500 square feet at the most.
@@peewee7530 who the hell would want to live in California?
@@hardcyd3r The 39.5 million people that live here!
Is yours brand new? Bet it isn't! Bet it doesn't have all the upgrades this one has. Did yours cost the same? What year is your home? What are the details of your land? What stae are you in? So many factors to take into consideration. Can't compare apples to oranges
200k on top of 650 a month so when your done with the mortgage payment your still stuck paying a monthly bill...for that kind of money you could have a real house that goes up in value with the market instead of depreciating every year as manufactured homes do, especially when they are not ground set...manufactured homes in general are a poor value for your money even if you own the land
You are correct. Another consideration is that since it is a manufactured home the loan interest rate will usually be higher. The terms are for usually 20 years or less because the units are at the end of their life quicker than a conventional residence. A twenty year old manufactured home can usually be bought for a song.
To buy a regular house in California usually costs at least $750,000 if you want something relatively decent. And besides, when you buy a regular house, you're also stuck paying monthly bills, they're called utility bills and annual property taxes! So either way, as long as you live in the United States of America, you're never done paying for your home!
Let's see I have a house in Sacramento for sale right now $229k, Taxes $100/month, Utilities $75/month. California isn't just LA and SF
@@nimblemotorsports is it brand new, or does it need work, upgrades, renovation etc.?
@@sandrabentley1420 It was completely renovated, closed at $215k I bought it for $75k. In the poor people district of course, but even my current nice neighborhood, neighbor sold one for only $300k, so $750k is WAY off (but not in SF)
The SF people are coming here and driving prices up.
I guess new pavement wasn't in the budget.
It will happen after we bring all the homes in. The trucks ruin the asphalt when they deliver the houses- so once we have the homes in, the plan is to come back and repave the streets. Thanks for your comment.
😂😂💒
Cosmic Weirdo
He SAID, the pavement will be resurfaced,
upon COMPLETION, of the 100 new homes.
Manufactured Housing: You can get a regular home loan to buy one.
Mobile Home: You can not get a home loan to buy it.
Actually you can it depends on the tie downs and the foundation it is placed on and whether or not the tongue was removed. Oh and if this is it's first location from the builder.
@@fashionforwardmom That's where Underwriters condition for certification that the home is on a permanent foundation.
People have been doing this forever with just about any community but wow a trailer park does its amazing!
Odd there is no use of solar energy or solar hot water.???
Its possible to add solar if someone wanted to, we had the structure beefed up on the roof if someone wanted to add it. However so far, utility bills for our homeowners have been very reasonable, and no one has opted for adding solar yet.
@@paulkaplangroup
Nobody buying into that could afford solar after the cost of the mobile home and the cost of the lot rent.
Thanks for your comment Andrea.
Killing the planet is free
The Paul Kaplan Group Inc. I have that there are manufactures that combine photo electric and solar hot water. My cousin has a demonstration house Sarasota School Walker House.
This is brilliantly uniquely designed to keep your privacy from the neighbors.
Love this and love Palm Springs! So cool!
Outside at 120° weather? Ya, right.
Expensive a/c with all the glass.
Oh yeah, being a Californian, I love these one bedroom units with the shady porch to the side. Really nice! Where I live, we run our own homeowners association, it's a direct democracy, and we control our own rental fees. It's possible to do: no greedy landlords jacking up the rent every year, more responsive in general, because one is dealing with neighbors, not a corporation seeking profit. So many of the comments below have been negative. I say, try it. You might like it!
Sounds like a great community you live in. Where are you located?
Sherwood Lake Mobile Home Park in Salinas, California. Most people buy their own double wide and update or remodel as they like or can afford.
you sound like a landlord gettin rich
you, were just "negative"...
These homes are so cute and well designed. My deterrents were when he said 120 degree weather & earthquakes. Bye Cali
Only in California, I'd rather move out of over priced California an by an acre of land and have a very large Mfg home for less than what this "tiny" home is and still cost 650.00 a mth rent.
Damn, that lot rent is higher than my mortgage.. So first you have a house payment and then another one just for the lot.. Wow.
Cliff May did it better. I can appreciate the effort and thoughtfulness, but they're just fancy mobile homes. 'Pre-fab' would mean the walls and other peices were trucked to the site, to be built onsite, on slabs. This project would be exponentially better if they had sold the parcels of land to the home owner, built the homes onsite, and designed the clerestory windows to match the slope of the roof.
theguythatcouldfly They didn't want to sell the land. It's their cash cow.
Why design it for outdoor living when it's over 100F in the Summer?
Doug H it’s a dry heat. 🙃
Similar to when I lived in Florida, I imagine a lot of people who live in Palm Springs only spend the winter months there and either have a 2nd home or travel during the hottest part of the year.
Doug H Don't ask questions, just empty your pockets and move along. NEXT !!
@@brandonryan1218 The very first day I was in Palm Springs it was 116 degrees. I lived in that area and remember when it was 120. When it's between 116 to 120 degrees, it doesn't matter if it's dry heat, it is just freaking hot! Too hot to be outside.
Bent Nickel 😂😂😂
Wow, he really thought 💭 of EVERYTHING!!!! It’s really incredible!!!! Beautiful homes 🏡!!!!
These homes are AMAZING very cleaverly designed
Lived in a 12'x60' singlewide in a little park overlooking Reno. Perfect size.
10/13/19....I retired & moved to FL retirement atea....I bought a 24 x 40 ft doublewide unit with a 10 x 20 ft FL sunroom on 1 side + single carport with screened porch + double sheds (10 x 10) on the other side....Huge NEW kitchen + large L-shaped living/dining room + huge master with smaller bath + small 2nd bedroom with nice sized full bathroom.....
Lots of room for single person with lots of STUFF/collections/
belongings.
Tied down mfg house on 1/3 acre of land with chain linked fenced back yard.
In THIS mfg home community WE EACH OWN OUR LOT + NO RENTALS + DEED RESTRICTIONS.
Small with only 53 homes + HOA + little clubhouse....
2 houses have site-built pools.....
Small but friendly subdivision.
Under $100,000. TOTAL....
Raised three kids in a 12X60. Moved up to a 28X52 double wide and a to a 14x70 single wide after a divorce. Bought a stick built house and let it go during the housing mess. Would give anything to be back in my 14x70 even with upstate New York winter. Live in a crummy Mill house rental in NC Can't heat it or cool it. Never had that issue in my mobile home.
I love these homes , however I don't like the 650 rental fee !
In many parts of the country, that is a mortgage payment for a whole regular size house plus yard.
where i live 700 sq feet , 1 bedroom, basement rental is 1600+ a month
@@kyfarm Where? Oklahoma? The absolute cheapest places are usually not places anyone wants to live.
Alison Jones in San Jose ca the monthly space rental fee for a mobile home is $1,100
CrazyWedz Missouri
I moved away from that Cali desert 3 n a half years ago and never going back
Wow I wish I could live there...Love Palm Springs 😎
Down here in Florida we call these Park Models. They are still manufactured homes, but just not full sized. My Dad lives in one. Living room, small eat in kitchen, bathroom, and single bedroom. And the porch is enclosed and under AC.
They are not park models. Park models are by definition 400 square feet and are classified as RVs, not manufactured homes. I know because I own a park model.
@@TSinRM Ok, then they're trailers. It's a fucking trailer park.
Way too expensive for what they are. The lot rental is outrageous also. But that's California for you. Over the top for everything and little to show for any of it.
They actually seem pretty reasonable to me but I'm in the NYC area. Around here condos with no bedrooms go for around $200k and fees are $1000 and up so this lot fee doesn't even seem that bad.
"Revamps trailer park" = Basically kicking out the people who need to live on trailer parks because they can't afford this.
Why doe everyone think buying a mobile home is cheap? Dude go try to buy one
@@fashionforwardmom I did. And yes, it's cheap.
No one gets kicked out. Some move out and sell for a profit. Nothing wrong with that.
I live 15 minutes from here. What they’re doing to kick people out is raising the land lease. Most people that live in these mobile homes are retirees living off social security.
You didn't hear what he said. He said that when the park was bought,over 100 hundred of the trailers were vacant. Which means that nobody was living there. And for 650 a month... that's not bad.
Riiight, pay $650 a month in lot rent and still have to dodge giant potholes 🙄
Amazing houses! Wow 😱
This is honestly nothing to do with what most people consider a tiny house, this is a mobile home park. Granted a more up scaled mobile home park, but nothing new or innovative about what's going on here. You can purchase a manufactured home and stick it any place you desire, put a skirt and deck on it and be just like this. Looked at newer manufactured homes, they look modern just like these.
Very helpful, answered a lot of questions. Beautiful homes!
Kirsten, thank you so much for your videos, I greatly enjoy your work, and your films fuelled my passion for tiny homes, and now my hubby and I are on our way to our own Tiny house dreams..thank you for all that you do !!!
Wow, they look really, really nice!👍
Awesome design and floor plan for this project. It's well thought out.
Nicole agreed ..amazing..the road needs to be re paved..the home design is too genius ..love it!
This is a really great redo of a trailer park. I can see this going on all over country.
Great title^^... after two minutes into the Video: "We actually call them small homes instead of tiny homes because they aren't tiny"