Very cool! I already have 2S 18650 packs with those very cells from another project. My Tinyhawk 2 FS is on the way also. Looking forward to trying this.
@@cubefpv I know the feeling! My little channel only started growing this year. According to your stats you've made 5 vids this month and gained 72 sub. Good job man! I'm finding it hard to make a video a week. I'm learning FPV now and it's lots of fun, but a far cry from my usual DJI videos and mods.
Old video, but I`ll go ahead and mention that VTC6 are Sony cells, not Panasonic. LG also have 3000mAh cells and they`re pretty good as well, another option could be Molicell INR-18650-P28A. If you want to go single cell, you might want to try 21700 cells as well, like Molicel INR21700-P42A, 4000 mAh and 45A max discharge. You could run a single 21700, get 4000 Mah and have plenty of amperage, so you can run on the most aggressive prope the AIO can handle ;) (gonna try that myself tbh)
I must admit i was sort of skeptical of the idea that this little drone could carry a battery over twice its own weight, but when i saw your video i had to try it out for myself. It's really wild, albeit the motors sound like they're going through pure agony in hover alone. Maybe it's time to swap the bearings 🤔Awesome video.
Yes thats right - you're flying very high in the throttle. I must admit I just tried this as an experiment to see if it was possible. So yes possible and a lot of fun - but maybe not practical.
I m so interested! Did you have any problem running with 18650 lipo? Except battery plug, did you make some other mod to let it run with 18650? Thanks and cool job!!
No other changes made. But with these batteries it is purely straight and level flying. You need to adjust the low battery warning as well to 5 volts instead of 7 volts.
Welp, I know what I'm doing with my Tiny Hawk II when I graduate to a proper 5" for freestyle. I'm fairly certain you could slap a runcam or Insta360 on that setup & have a super solid little budget cinewhoop.
yes the Tinyhawk will actually carry a bit of weight and well capable ap carrying an Insta 360 2. It also seems to fly better with a bit more weight but it's not that powerful. I find myself holding on the throttle for a punchout over a tree longer than I would like and sometimes sagging the battery.
I am inspired by your video. I would love long flights and long range. I would also like an onboard sd card to capture perfect video. BUT I am very frustrated now because I can't get beta flight to connect to my tinyhawk. I thought I installed the com drivers but I guess I should retry that. Also I was discouraged when I tried the button method of binding to my radiomaster and nothing went according to the instructions. I am very frustrated but i hope to get mine like yours eventually.
For the single 18650. As a beginner, my flying is very easy and nothing special. Few tricks here and there. But even I was able to get just about 10 minutes out of 2x 650mah cells (so a 650mah 2s). So the 18650 does not look that great.
To some degree yes. The first few flights were more like 20 minutes but then I got reduced flight times of around 17 minutes. But I have not seen any further decline in the flight times from there. I think i ahve done about 20 flights with this pack and I am now getting a pretty consistant 17 minute flight each time.
Hallo. Are you using the BNF Kit Emax Tinyhawk 2 Freestyle Bnf 2,5 Zoll 2s 200mw Runcam Nano2 Fpv Racing Drone from Banggood? Can you recommend this drone for beginners? Thanks
The Tinyhawk is a good drone for beginners but it is a bit old now. I think these days there are better beginner drones. have a search for soemthing released in the last 12 months.
Hi friend. I wanted to supply such a battery with a Lithium-ion battery NCR18650B (18650, 3.7 V, 3400 mAh), but the drone does not rise. What settings do I need to change in order for the drone to fly on 1s battery?
You don't need any special settings. However i do not reccomend using a 1S battery. The flight will not be stable. Also you need good quality batteries - like the Sony VTC 6 or Panasonic brand. maybe the battery you are using can't supply the current.
n00b question. would lower pitched, bi-blade props increase flight time? Love all the TH2 Freestyle content. This is my first quad and have really enjoyed upgrading and modding it. I'm now running ExpressLRS on it and this LiIon pack looks like a great option for long range exploration.
I've tested with Gemfan 2540 3 blade props as well as HQ Prop 65mm 2 blade props. neither of these gives any increase in flight time. It seems that the original Emax props are actually very efficient.
_Ideally_ you shouldn't really take 18650s below 3.0v without damaging the lifespan. BTW do you run them off a 100% full charge? Cos they start off at something like 4.2v - lol I wonder what kind of noticeable difference that would make to the drone's performance for the first minute or less of flight time. I use em for my mechanical (unregulated) vape and their wildly varying voltage makes them a pain in the arse to get a consistent pull off em lol (I end up swapping them out at 50%). But for real though, this is pretty cool what you've done with them 😁
Mosfets are hard to replace. You need a soldering re-working station with a hot air blower. Even then it's difficult. Probably easier to replace the board. Or maybe look at moving up to a more modern frame with a standard mounting pattern like 20x20.
I've flown the Tinyhawk Freestyle 2 quite alot with 3S cells (450-500mah 3S LiPo, also tried 500mah 3S LiHV 65-130C). I did not push it extreme on the throttle (tried to stay below 80%) and it flies very well. Are there smaller Li-Ion Cells with similar C-Rating that can be used in 3S or would even 3S (Li-Ion!) make sense? If by any chance you can try 3S Li-Ion, that would be awesome. The Voltage drops very fast to a 2S LiHV Voltage, so I assume it should be alright for the ESCs, as they can handle nonstop 2S LiHV all the time (judging by UA-cam Channels flying this thing for more than 100 times with LiHV 2S)
Yes I am flying with 2S HV CNHL batteries and have no problems at all. Interesting to hear that you are flying with 3S batteries. i was not aware that the tinyhawk would take 3S voltage. The motors are okay on 3S though because i am currently flying another experimental drone on 3S and using the tinyhawk motors. I have a 75% throttle limit and the motors are not getting hot at all. But i don't want to try my tinyhawk on 3S LiIon just in case.
@@MicronWings thanks for the fast reply :) could you recommend suitable li-ion cells to me? I will purchase a couple and try this. Always wanted to have powerfull ones for drones :) I read VCT6 seems to be required
@@neutralmst6855 I use the Sony VTC6 18650 cells. Buy them from an FPV shop if you can. A lot of the sellers on ebay wouldn't know if they were selling hte real deal or not.
@@MicronWings I did not think about this o.o I'll search for fpv shops in germany/europe. Also I need to dig in deeper on how to test if they are the real deal. Thank you :)
@@MicronWings May I ask you what the total weight of the Tinyhawk Freestyle 2 with 2 (or 1) cell was? I am currently on the search for suitable batteries and there are also 2000mah versions that can deliver WAY more punch (up to 65A, 30A constantly). But the weight differences will effect performance I guess.
Thanks for the Info Alex. Yes the Tinyhawk can take a heavier battery load and as you say you can often get good flight times with larger lipo batteries as long as you are just cruising.
@@MicronWings I have heard some folks saying 6 cell can be adapted to the 3800kv. I believe Drain Man (among others) posted something about it but it seemed mostly to focus on larger motors. My real question is, is it possible to use the same system you exhibited it this video but simply add more cells? My rig is is (for all intents and purposes the iflight Chimera 4) Lastly, I would love a resource for less expensive batteries 🤔I guess everyone has the same wish.
It's really just a case of making the battery - everything else remains standard. You can just search on youtube for how to make a 2s liion battery pack.
@@MicronWings Sure. But by using a better stack and stronger motors you sacrifice the two key elements of the TH2FS that define it, namely the beginner friendly power and the above average flight times (up to +7 minutes on a 650 mah). That's its sole purpose. So again, why bother? Or is there a new trend of building sleeper freestyle quads? That would be really, really absurd.
@@intensegamer7559 I think you're reading too much into it. It's not something a beginner should do. This is just an example of what is possible with the TinyHawk frame. Just say you have a TinyHawk frame laying around from whan you were learning, you could turn it into a long range frame just for fun.
@@cubefpv Thanks for your feedback. I just think differently I guess. Your project is really cool. But personally, I would rather give my TH2FS to another noob once I‘m done with it and build my own quad from scratch. I am pretty new to the hobby. Just started out this year and still fly my TH2FS to practice the flippy floppy stuff. I watch your videos because I’m still insecure about soldering and wiring those tiny boards. Great help by the way! I‘m just more used to programming STM32 controller boards than shoving them into teeny tiny carbon frames :-) Keep up the good work!
@@intensegamer7559 Thanks - yes it's a lot to get used to when you're just beginning. Good idea about giving the TinyHawk to a new pilot. There must be lots of Tinyhawks out there just sitting on the shelf gathering dust after people have moved on.
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Very cool! I already have 2S 18650 packs with those very cells from another project. My Tinyhawk 2 FS is on the way also. Looking forward to trying this.
Great stuff - just keep it straight and level with the 18650 packs - its a bit on the heavy side.
Still can't believe your only on 226 subs, you deserve a lot more.
Thanks Infinity -I need to make more vids but never enough time.
@@cubefpv I know the feeling! My little channel only started growing this year. According to your stats you've made 5 vids this month and gained 72 sub. Good job man!
I'm finding it hard to make a video a week. I'm learning FPV now and it's lots of fun, but a far cry from my usual DJI videos and mods.
This is an abomination. It's fantastic.
amazing!!😊
Old video, but I`ll go ahead and mention that VTC6 are Sony cells, not Panasonic.
LG also have 3000mAh cells and they`re pretty good as well, another option could be Molicell INR-18650-P28A.
If you want to go single cell, you might want to try 21700 cells as well, like Molicel INR21700-P42A, 4000 mAh and 45A max discharge.
You could run a single 21700, get 4000 Mah and have plenty of amperage, so you can run on the most aggressive prope the AIO can handle ;)
(gonna try that myself tbh)
im planning to build a ultra light cinewhoop for indoors .. with using both 1s 18650 and 2s lipo .. suggest me frame , fc , motors and props
Your a great pilot bro I watched all the videos and subbed
I must admit i was sort of skeptical of the idea that this little drone could carry a battery over twice its own weight, but when i saw your video i had to try it out for myself. It's really wild, albeit the motors sound like they're going through pure agony in hover alone. Maybe it's time to swap the bearings 🤔Awesome video.
Yes thats right - you're flying very high in the throttle. I must admit I just tried this as an experiment to see if it was possible. So yes possible and a lot of fun - but maybe not practical.
Thank you for that information yeah I'm kinda late but I just got one of those tiny hawk 3
Could you make a video of how to make one of these 2S batteries properly? I think alot of people would love to know put one of these together:)
Take a look at this video from RC Video Reviews. It seems to be showing exactly what you need - ua-cam.com/video/aNAkGl67hFk/v-deo.html
You’re awesome! Subbed.👍🏼
Thanks DT - nice flying over on your channel.
So could i buy a 18650 2 cell holder put a xt30 connector on and just plug it in to my tinyhawk freestyle 2
Yes that would work.
I m so interested! Did you have any problem running with 18650 lipo? Except battery plug, did you make some other mod to let it run with 18650? Thanks and cool job!!
No other changes made. But with these batteries it is purely straight and level flying. You need to adjust the low battery warning as well to 5 volts instead of 7 volts.
Welp, I know what I'm doing with my Tiny Hawk II when I graduate to a proper 5" for freestyle. I'm fairly certain you could slap a runcam or Insta360 on that setup & have a super solid little budget cinewhoop.
yes the Tinyhawk will actually carry a bit of weight and well capable ap carrying an Insta 360 2. It also seems to fly better with a bit more weight but it's not that powerful. I find myself holding on the throttle for a punchout over a tree longer than I would like and sometimes sagging the battery.
This is awesome, what if any are the disadvantages? Less power and maneuverability?
Only disadvantage is that it is long range level flying only - no acro at all.
I am inspired by your video. I would love long flights and long range. I would also like an onboard sd card to capture perfect video. BUT I am very frustrated now because I can't get beta flight to connect to my tinyhawk. I thought I installed the com drivers but I guess I should retry that. Also I was discouraged when I tried the button method of binding to my radiomaster and nothing went according to the instructions. I am very frustrated but i hope to get mine like yours eventually.
Problem solved. After 6 hours of fussing with betaflight connection I found out that the USB cable was not meant for data,, only power
I literally had all these same problems. Glad I'm not the only one. Even right down to the wire issue
Excellent 👌 Thanks 😌
What You thinking about digital fpv?
impressive
Nice job! Cube
For the single 18650. As a beginner, my flying is very easy and nothing special. Few tricks here and there. But even I was able to get just about 10 minutes out of 2x 650mah cells (so a 650mah 2s). So the 18650 does not look that great.
im planning to build a ultra light cinewhoop for indoors .. with using both 1s 18650 and 2s lipo .. suggest me frame , fc , motors and props
Your brilliant!!!
Have you seen any 18650 degradation after multiple cycles when running them in this way? Thanks!
To some degree yes. The first few flights were more like 20 minutes but then I got reduced flight times of around 17 minutes. But I have not seen any further decline in the flight times from there. I think i ahve done about 20 flights with this pack and I am now getting a pretty consistant 17 minute flight each time.
Hallo. Are you using the BNF Kit Emax Tinyhawk 2 Freestyle Bnf 2,5 Zoll 2s 200mw Runcam Nano2 Fpv Racing Drone from Banggood? Can you recommend this drone for beginners?
Thanks
The Tinyhawk is a good drone for beginners but it is a bit old now. I think these days there are better beginner drones. have a search for soemthing released in the last 12 months.
Hi friend.
I wanted to supply such a battery with a Lithium-ion battery NCR18650B (18650, 3.7 V, 3400 mAh), but the drone does not rise. What settings do I need to change in order for the drone to fly on 1s battery?
You don't need any special settings. However i do not reccomend using a 1S battery. The flight will not be stable. Also you need good quality batteries - like the Sony VTC 6 or Panasonic brand. maybe the battery you are using can't supply the current.
n00b question. would lower pitched, bi-blade props increase flight time?
Love all the TH2 Freestyle content. This is my first quad and have really enjoyed upgrading and modding it. I'm now running ExpressLRS on it and this LiIon pack looks like a great option for long range exploration.
I've tested with Gemfan 2540 3 blade props as well as HQ Prop 65mm 2 blade props. neither of these gives any increase in flight time. It seems that the original Emax props are actually very efficient.
@@cubefpv very cool. good to know. great content!
Спасибо мужик!
_Ideally_ you shouldn't really take 18650s below 3.0v without damaging the lifespan. BTW do you run them off a 100% full charge? Cos they start off at something like 4.2v - lol I wonder what kind of noticeable difference that would make to the drone's performance for the first minute or less of flight time. I use em for my mechanical (unregulated) vape and their wildly varying voltage makes them a pain in the arse to get a consistent pull off em lol (I end up swapping them out at 50%). But for real though, this is pretty cool what you've done with them 😁
would sc2 connectors work Aswell just ordered some. 😅
Hi, I burnt same mosfets in 2 boards, any way to fix it ?
Mosfets are hard to replace. You need a soldering re-working station with a hot air blower. Even then it's difficult. Probably easier to replace the board. Or maybe look at moving up to a more modern frame with a standard mounting pattern like 20x20.
Where can I buy the the 2s battery
What mods do you have to do to the drone for supporting that cell?
The FC and Motors are both okay with 2S voltage so no real mods necessary.
@@cubefpv so just find a way to connect li ion batteries and it will fly?
It will fly but it's very heavy. All you can do is hover and fly slowly. You can do it but I don't recommend it.@@swimbeyonder
Thank you alot
I have ldark et 115 with 2.3 inch props
1104 7300 kv motors. I want to try the same like you 2s 18650. Do you think will work?
Sorry I'm not sure about 1104 motors I think they are mainly used for 1S.
I've flown the Tinyhawk Freestyle 2 quite alot with 3S cells (450-500mah 3S LiPo, also tried 500mah 3S LiHV 65-130C). I did not push it extreme on the throttle (tried to stay below 80%) and it flies very well.
Are there smaller Li-Ion Cells with similar C-Rating that can be used in 3S or would even 3S (Li-Ion!) make sense? If by any chance you can try 3S Li-Ion, that would be awesome. The Voltage drops very fast to a 2S LiHV Voltage, so I assume it should be alright for the ESCs, as they can handle nonstop 2S LiHV all the time (judging by UA-cam Channels flying this thing for more than 100 times with LiHV 2S)
Yes I am flying with 2S HV CNHL batteries and have no problems at all. Interesting to hear that you are flying with 3S batteries. i was not aware that the tinyhawk would take 3S voltage. The motors are okay on 3S though because i am currently flying another experimental drone on 3S and using the tinyhawk motors. I have a 75% throttle limit and the motors are not getting hot at all. But i don't want to try my tinyhawk on 3S LiIon just in case.
@@MicronWings thanks for the fast reply :) could you recommend suitable li-ion cells to me? I will purchase a couple and try this. Always wanted to have powerfull ones for drones :) I read VCT6 seems to be required
@@neutralmst6855 I use the Sony VTC6 18650 cells. Buy them from an FPV shop if you can. A lot of the sellers on ebay wouldn't know if they were selling hte real deal or not.
@@MicronWings I did not think about this o.o I'll search for fpv shops in germany/europe. Also I need to dig in deeper on how to test if they are the real deal. Thank you :)
@@MicronWings May I ask you what the total weight of the Tinyhawk Freestyle 2 with 2 (or 1) cell was? I am currently on the search for suitable batteries and there are also 2000mah versions that can deliver WAY more punch (up to 65A, 30A constantly). But the weight differences will effect performance I guess.
Can you do a battery mod for long Flight time in the normal th2 pleaseeeeeeeeee
r you stil able to use it as a freestyle quad with this battery ?
No it's long range straight and level only
be aware if you slowly cruise TinyHawk 2 FreeStyle flies around 14m on two 1s 650HV cells.
Thanks for the Info Alex. Yes the Tinyhawk can take a heavier battery load and as you say you can often get good flight times with larger lipo batteries as long as you are just cruising.
Is this one smaller than the crux 35 ?
Yes this is 2.5 inch - the Crux 35 is 3.5 inch
Could that scale up for a LR iflight chimera 4?
Loved the vid. Thanks.
There are lots of LiIon packs available for quads liek the Chimera 4
@@MicronWings
I have heard some folks saying 6 cell can be adapted to the 3800kv. I believe Drain Man (among others) posted something about it but it seemed mostly to focus on larger motors.
My real question is, is it possible to use the same system you exhibited it this video but simply add more cells?
My rig is is (for all intents and purposes the iflight Chimera 4)
Lastly, I would love a resource for less expensive batteries 🤔I guess everyone has the same wish.
@@MicronWings thanks bro.
Your work.
@@averagefpv9449 I'm not if it's just a case of adding more cells. I would look for videos of someone actually doing that.
hi i was wondering what would happen if you mixed batteries... for instants if you use one emax battery and one 18650?
No you can't mix batteries.
@@MicronWings thanks what would be the outcome if i may ask?
@@MicronWings i mean if you still have the original tiny-hawk 2 freestyle dual 1s battery connection and plugged in two different 1s 3.7v batteries
@@TruthProductionzHDTV The batteries will be damaged and it could be dangerous.
@@TruthProductionzHDTV That's okay as long as both batteries are the same and they are only 1S
hi, i would like to do the same exact upgrades on my tinyhawk 2 freestyle. Do you have a tutorial?
It's really just a case of making the battery - everything else remains standard. You can just search on youtube for how to make a 2s liion battery pack.
@@cubefpv can you purchase these batteries?
@@fishwithfeet7206 You can buy them at most FPV shops or even on ebay
Comment voler en 1s ?
Where do I buy the battery from
These days most FPV shops sell these batteries. Or you can buy them on ebay.
@@cubefpv Hallo. Is it difficult to fly this Race drone? Is it similar to fly Like DJi Mini? Thanks
Were did i get the antena
It's this one - customquads.com.au/products/lumenier-axii-2-u-fl-5-8ghz-antenna-rhcp
Did you fly it in angel mode?
It was flown in air mode.
How would a 2s 1000mah do?
It will work okay just with shorter flight time.
Great video!Sub u bro..
You get more flight time but give up the ability to use the drone as a freestyle drone.
Exactly . This is just for long distance or duration flight. No Flippy Floppy around the sky.
Nice. But why?
Because it can
@@MicronWings Sure. But by using a better stack and stronger motors you sacrifice the two key elements of the TH2FS that define it, namely the beginner friendly power and the above average flight times (up to +7 minutes on a 650 mah). That's its sole purpose. So again, why bother? Or is there a new trend of building sleeper freestyle quads? That would be really, really absurd.
@@intensegamer7559 I think you're reading too much into it. It's not something a beginner should do. This is just an example of what is possible with the TinyHawk frame. Just say you have a TinyHawk frame laying around from whan you were learning, you could turn it into a long range frame just for fun.
@@cubefpv Thanks for your feedback. I just think differently I guess. Your project is really cool. But personally, I would rather give my TH2FS to another noob once I‘m done with it and build my own quad from scratch. I am pretty new to the hobby. Just started out this year and still fly my TH2FS to practice the flippy floppy stuff. I watch your videos because I’m still insecure about soldering and wiring those tiny boards. Great help by the way! I‘m just more used to programming STM32 controller boards than shoving them into teeny tiny carbon frames :-) Keep up the good work!
@@intensegamer7559 Thanks - yes it's a lot to get used to when you're just beginning. Good idea about giving the TinyHawk to a new pilot. There must be lots of Tinyhawks out there just sitting on the shelf gathering dust after people have moved on.
Long distance and Tracer do NOT belong in the same sentence...lol
Yer not since ELRS came along