Honda Passport / Pilot / Ridgeline: More Spring Rate & More Flex!"
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2022
- In this long overdue video, I talk about how I upgraded the rear suspension in my Honda Passport. I'll go over many different solutions that you may find useful.
Ultimately, Emmanuel from NA Performance in Ventura came up with an idea to take the longer Eibach lift springs and elongate OEM strust/shocks to match the length of the longer springs. The result is more spring rate and longer suspension travel.
The journey to correct rear suspension sag started with help from Aldo at:
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4430 W Imperial Hwy, Inglewood, CA 90304
(310) 419-1086
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SKID PLATES - NOLO DESIGNS - use discount code "JONDZ5" for 5% OFF
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SHOCKS/STRUTS - HONDA RIDGELINE SWAP
SPRINGS - EIBACH PRO LIFT SPRINGS
WHEELS - BLACK RHINO "CHASE" 18" X 8", 10mm offset, 26 lbs
TIRES - FALKEN WILDPEAK AT3W 255/70R18 P-rated
REAR HITCH SPARE TIRE CARRIER - DIRT COMPLEX USA "Trailswing"
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PETITION FOR MORE AFTERMARKET SUPPORT! the reason it took so long for Eibach to make aftermarket springs is because they felt there “WASNT ENOUGH INTEREST” for the product. I know so many of you are struggling with rear suspension sag, pulling trailers and carrying heavy gear. Honda/Acura sells 300,000+ Pilots/Passports/Ridgeline/MDX every year. There’s interest….. drop a comment, Share this video, let’s use the comment section to collect our petition’s to let these companies know that THERE IS “INTEREST”.
So, just FYI, I’m not trying to call out Eibach, I’m actually really thankful they are the “first” company to offer a spring upgrade for 16+ Pilot, 17+ Ridgeline, 19+ Passport halfway into the year 2022. I get the “there’s not enough interest” from all companies. Bilstein, Ironman 4x4, etc.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I'm actually looking at the Eibach lift springs for my '21 Ridgeline. I wish they would lift a little more but, they are working with the stock struts.
My Pilot has the transmission cooler and has 5,000 lb towing capacity. I am looking for longer travel shocks.
Instructions unclear: I bought a Passport with 40% interest.
FYI, eibach recently pulled the front springs from their page for now, I think they are making adjustments. I saw a few people on the forums had issues installing the front springs on the ridgeline
It’s awesome to have people like that helping the community out!
It’s called extended travel BTW 😉
Yeah, the Honda community is lucky to have him. Haha, I’ve never heard longer travel called extended travel, but since it means the same thing, I’m sure it would fly.
Glad to help! SumoSprings have been a big improvement on my Ridgeline.
Thanks Carl!! You came in clutch for Overland Expo
I've seen a couple people recommend Sumos, but when I look at their webpage, it says not compatible with AWD and towing package, which I don't know if I even have. It's been a frustrating experience trying to find a solution for the excessive sag in my 23 BE. I have a 300lb camper and about 300 lbs of camping gear, and haven't even put my bike rack on yet. Worried that I may have bought the wrong truck. Thanks!
I like that you're always in a state of constant improvement of your rig, Jon!
Thanks Nipoj!! Looking forward to the pop cap upgrade 😃
Glad to be a part of this build! More to come
Thank you so much Eman!!! 🙏 Looking forward to the front suspension upgrades.
Really good video. Honda is going to come back and keep having you build their overlanders. When u see a new passport overlander driving down the road you can think about how u are a part of that 😀 great job jon.
Thanks DJ! 🙏
I hope Honda learns from you that what we WANT in a trail package is longer shocks, adjustable spring preload, and skid plates.
Heck yeah Adam! Let’s see all this in the new Trailsport or as an OEM option!
The new HRV has a full line of HPD accessories but no fog lights on any models or as an accessory. I have my doubts we will ever see something actually pertaining to off roading unfortunately.
@@DkpProductions HRV is way too underpowered for overlanding with equipment. It has like 150hp with a cvt. This passport has 280 with a nice low first gear in the 8spd auto.
Then the question that comes to hand is would you rather pay more money up front or pay more for after market? There is a company called flatout suspension. That make suspension for the Ridgeline/Passport/Pilot.
@@mrwolphie7 yikes! 100% issue / failure rate with all my friends that have or had flatout suspension. Definitely go OEM. Better quality and durability. Fox shocks didn’t even hold up to Ridgeline shocks when stress tested in Death Valley by Edmunds.
I love the sumo springs. The brand new kyb complete struts I installed on my Pilot, started to sag within a year. I feel that the springs on the kyb complete struts is just to soft for my liking. The sumo springs gave me back my lift. The best part about them is now it feels like i have a dual rate spring. The springs are able to absorb the washboard stuff and absorb the big stuff much better.
Yeah! I’m glad you observe the same thing. I feel like they actually help “absorb”. After all, some of the Ironman 4X4 coil over kits and timbren suspension use this cellular foam technology.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring keep up the good work brother. Putting Honda offroad things on that map!
Which Sumo spring did you go with? As I measure the pilot rear springs I come up with 13/16" for a CSS-1094, but I think elsewhere Jon posted 1164? Maybe that's for the Ridgeline spring swap-out?
@@danswenson9115 I used the CSS-1195 in my front struts for my 2003 Honda Pilot
Love this series and definitely want to see what the extra travel does for you. I know jeeps and other trucks are more capable when stock, but it’s way more fun for me to see SUVs like this pushed to the limits.
Once I get the long(er) travel mod installed on the front suspension, I’ll be able to do more tests. Up travel stays about the same, but there should be 2” more droop per wheel to help reach down for more traction.
Thanks for being a Trailblazer in more than one sense of the expression. I hope you inspire more people to explore the Honda option when it comes to "light" overlanding. I'm also glad to see the support of the companies making aftermarket parts for Hondas. Thanks again.
Thanks for the kind words Aaron
I live only 6 miles from this shop. Great to know I have somewhere to go when I’m ready to do something like this.
Brovo gentleman!
🙌
Spoke to Emmanuel on IG about his suspension setup and he was very helpful. I'm excited to get this setup on my Ridgeline as well!
Yep, this is a good setup!!
Looking forward to seeing that travel tested out on the trail!
Same, I want to see this!!
When. We lifted up the passport to put it on the 4 way scale, we discovered the LCA bushing on the front driver side was halfway ripped. Emmanuel will be replacing the lower control arm and will be installing the front Eibach springs as well as his strut modification. It should happen this week or so. Emmanuel has the system on his Ridgeline. This is a 35 to 40 degree hill with 3-4 foot ruts. He wasn’t able to climb it unless he used BALLS (brake aid line lock system). With the extra flex, he makes it up without balls. instagram.com/reel/CgARFNrpCEc/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Sorry guys, I wish I had better footage, haha! 😂
@@JonDZ_Adventuring You can borrow my sketchy ramp V2 if you want lol.
Jon, it looks GREAT! So awesome. The Passport looks so capable and brawny! LOVE LOVE LOVE it! I find your videos on upgrades very interesting. You are inspirational for us owners and for Honda! I hope they include you in more of their HRD / Trailsport up coming upgrades!
Thanks Ram! 🙏
Great video Jon! Thank you for explaining all that you have done to modify your suspension and for promoting the use of Passports for offroading! I always look forward to your content.
Thanks for the support Mr. Means! Tomorrow I get the front Eibach springs and Ridgeline springs with piston extenders installed. Super excited!
Great job and yes definitely need more aftermarket support. I’ve been collecting parts for my 22 pilot build. This will definitely be added to my list. Would be nice for some gearing options.
Great vid Jon! Love seeing parts bin explorations being done. Btw, I’m running coilovers from Flatout Susp on one of our Ridgelines (gen1), which have even less aftermarket support. Dampers are adjustable and rebuildable, and they use 2.5” Eibach coilover springs. I used Accutune to get various spring rates and lengths. They also have gen2 Ridgeline coilovers, and might be worth investigating down the road for you since you proved RL and PP susp are somewhat interchangeable 👍
Thanks Joseph! I have too many friends having issues with the Flatout kits. The kit either does fit, or it clanks around 😢
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I am saving up for my own Passport after seeing all your videos (others too ofc I had to do research) but all your vids 110% helped with my decision I hope this is the start to more aftermarket parts :D
I hope I steer you right Killersodas. In a lot of my videos I mention that my Honda Passport is not as off-road capable as a 4WD, and the reason someone would buy a passport is because the on-road aspect is very important to them. I definitely encourage you to go over all your options and keep an open mind. It’s sounds like you’re doing that already, which is a great start. Honda teased the all new 2023 Pilot Trailsport, and there will be alot of notable upgrades. Excited to hear about more details. The Honda 10 speed has a class leading 21.9:1 crawl ratio for single speed transmission vehicles. I’m showing an axle ratio of 4.17:1 in the MDX, and I wonder if they can regear that to let’s say 4.54. If that’s a possibility, we would see 23.8:1, which would be really darn good for an AWD. Won’t hurt to save up a little longer to see what everyone else offers.
I have the 2021 Ridgeline and the 2021 Passport, just got back on a 5 days 2100 miles trip with the Passport I love it. You'll love the Passport.
Cool to see you really investing in the Honda platform. Admittedly I would have given up and moved vehicles but Honda does build some nice rides for sure
The beautiful thing is that all this isn’t very expensive. $377 for 4x springs, $1200 for a 3.5” lift kit. I have 113K miles on my Passport, so it was time to replace my struts/shocks anyways.
I’ve driven a FJ cruiser and 2 Subarus. The Honda is an amazing vehicle. Best way I could describe it is that the FJ cruiser and WRX had a baby.
Great mod!
I would love to do it just for the stands… I already have the 2” lift kit and I get lots of compliments about it. 👌👍👍
Definitely a mod I want to do it’s that tire carrier you have 👍👍
@@erick1670 that’s from Dirtcom USA. It’s an awesome thing to have
That was great info! Thanks.
It’ll be a good share for the Ridgeline community.
I can't wait til Eibach makes em for the Pilot!!! I'm also running 2 sumo in the rear to combat the sag 😆
Nice.. inspiring to mod my Trailsport
That was awesome! Good to know the Ridgeline suspension is pretty stout. Idk why Honda doesn’t capitalize off this repeated praise and put it out there more. Might help the image/sales of these platforms.
Yeah, that’s the main reason I was willing to swap in the Ridgeline rear suspension, for the more stout shocks. I’ll also be installing the Ridgeline front struts
Nice work man!
Thanks Ian!!!
Honda please this what we want, we not tryna spend money with other unreliable car companies
I love how this thing is slowly becoming more like a grand cherokee build. Its gonna be sick once all the good parts are on it.
Ty im looking to use same swap to do the opposite us ridgeline shocks and lowering springs 👍
I really wish Honda competed more in the offroad segment like Toyota, Nissan, Ford, Chevy and Jeep do.
Nice upgrade.
Now, about that filthy interior...
😉
Haha!!!! I had just got back from Colorado here 😂
As an owner of a 2017 ridgeline and a 2021 Passport, and having watched and enjoyed many of your videos. Dude just buy a 4runner, what are you doing, a Lexus Gx even. I feel like youre removing the on road prowess that made these good into while transforming the passport into something it was never made to be. after watching your videos ive learned to just buy a 4runner if i overland. Props to the perseverance, and best of luck with everything. Peace
I use to drive a 2008 FJ cruiser. Have you owned a 4runner? Do you know about the floatiness on the highway, steering dead zone, and poor MPGs out of the 5 speed transmission? Do you realize I drive atleast a thousand miles on an overlanding adventure? Asking for a friend 😉
Also, how does this reduce the onroad prowess?
You’ve made your suspension so much more capable. Have you thought about getting it regeared to produce more torque? Maybe the Master of Balls can look into upgrading the clutching in the rear drive unit and possibly activate lockup via switch.
The most aggressive ZF9 has 4.54 gears, producing a 21.5:1 crawl ratio. It’s just too small of an upgrade 😢. Emmanuel has driven up some really impressive stuff though. The extra flex makes those steep rutted climbs less problematic.
I tried to climb the same hill before the suspension upgrade. Because the steep 45 degree angle the rear stayed fully compressed. I was losing a lot of traction in the middle of the climb and I have no choice but to back down. It was so steep that just letting off the brake I would slide uncontrollably for about 10 feet. With the extra flex, the white Ridgeline climbed with light throttle input.
Anything steeper would just be too scary for me. I’d want a Jeep rubicon with a front disconnected sway bar and lockers 😂
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Dang, well I guess that leaves just a supercharger.
@@KTMcaptain I hear someone might be working on that
Good stuff, man..... I recently put 235/85R16's on the 4x4 Astro van along with regearing to 4:10's with posi traction - I need to do a bit of frame modification up front to deal with a small bit of tire rub - Going to heat and beat... It's not so easy to find shops willing to modify things like that which is why it's always good if you can figure out how to do it yourself.
Where did you go to weigh the vehicle? I need to get all four corners weighed so I can make decisions on springs
Lets get lunch...!
Emmanuel has the 4 way scale at his shop in Ventura. I may be heading in there maybe this week or next. I’ll message you on Instagram when I find out the dates
@@JonDZ_Adventuring definitely - If it's this week I'll drive up - I drive to AZ over the weekend - I'll hit you up on IG too (I forget about that sometimes)
I like that you are making the most of the Passport.
Jon, I can't understand how you are getting a better ride? I would love to improve my Ridgeline ride even better than it is. Do you still fill the spring cushions help?
Ron, the 3.5” lift kit has 1 inch preload spacers in the front. Basically, it’s like a lowering spring. Spring rate is increased and that’s why the onroad handling improves.
A week ago, I had the front Eibach springs put in. I can tell you right now that the Traxda setup handles onroad better, has less wheel travel compared to the new setup. With the Eibach springs, I do notice my ride is a bit floatier.
I’m in
May I ask, what brand/part# strut extension did you use to lengthen for the eibach springs, or was it custom?
It's custom by Emmanuel. He plans to sell the kit, but he's doing testing and I will be doing testing.
Hi, in adding lift spacers on the rear do you also replace the rear camber with adjustable camber?
All the lift kits don’t come with adjustable camber, but I heard you can change out the bolt with an adjustable one. Sorry I can’t be more helpful.
My rear camber is within specification , so that’s good enough for me
Where can I get what looks like a skid plate for the rear cross member with the NLD stamp on it
That’s the No-Lo design rear diff skid plate. There’s a link in the video description along with a 5% discount code.
Great video! Did you have to cut the front wheel well to fit those tires?
I did not use the axle relocation kit, so I had to cut the metal out of the front wheel well and some plastic off the front too!
@@JonDZ_Adventuring thanks for the reply. Any chance you can do a video showing the cuts?
There is a lot of different upgrades mentioned, if I could ask for some advice, I currently have added skid plates, 18"wheels, and all terrain tires to my passport. I do notice the sag when I'm towing a trailer or hauling a lot of gear. What would you recommend as next upgrade for better off road performance? I have a property in big bend that is an hour off road to get to, I don't necessarily need more ground clearance, at least not yet.
What do you have? Ridgeline or Passport/Pilot?
If you have a Ridgeline, all you’ll need to do is upgrade to the rear Eibach springs. It will cost you $177 + tax and shipping.
If you have a Passport / Pilot you can wait for Eibach’s spring upgrade. I heard it’s in its testing phase. Or you can try installing the Sumo Coil Spring helpers item number CSS-1145. You’ll have to completely remove your tires so that the spring can fully extend, then you have to use a lubricant and muscle them in. They will fit, but it was a PITA.
Can you run front and rear Ridgeline shocks on the Pilot platform?
I was told you would need the Ridgeline top hat, which also means you’ll need Ridgeline springs. Makes sense, since as seen in the video, the Ridgeline rear shock piston is thicker .
ridgeline 💪
Yes! Stouter parts!
The strut spacers that your installer used to increase travel (extensions that screw into the top of the strut shaft..?) - are those available somewhere? I do not see those particular pieces as part of the Traxda kit.
The strut/shock piston extensions are from Emmanuel at NA Performance. So far, I’ve only installed the modification on the rear. At this very moment, we are installing the front. I’ll let you know how it everything went tomorrow. I would consider this all in the testing phase. Emmanuel won’t sell anything unless it’s thoroughly tested.
So my suspension will be comprised of the following:
-3.5” Traxda lift kit but we’re going with a 1.5” front spacer and removing the preload spacer.
-Eibach Prolift kit
-strut/shock piston extensions from NA performance
There’s two of us testing this kit, Emmanuel and myself. Results have been great so far.
VERY interested to know if those will be made available in the future. Are you (or Emmanuel) willing to take pre-orders on the assumption that these will be put up for sale? Or at least a notification list for when it happens?
I just re-watched this vid and noticed something - @13:09 - are you running TWO sets of Sumo Springs per side? Or am I seeing it wrong?
Love your channel brother! I originally found you when turning my 2015 FXT into a little overlander. In 2017 I purchased a new Pilot, which I immediately lifted and made that our regular adventure vehicle. So your channel has been an awesome resource for both vehicles!
Like you I've added a hitch and extra weight to the rear of the Pilot and the saggy butt problem is killing me.. almost went with a no-name set of coilovers, but I really prefer the route you've gone with the Ridgeline/Eibach/Sumo setup. Pretty sure I can fit these springs on the Pilot.. must try..
Emmanuel might be able to help you now. You can contact him on his Instagram at @k20nartpro .
Check out my community post on UA-cam. The installation was a success!
Yes, I run two sumo spring helpers on each rear shock. Even with the beefier Eibach spring, I felt I still needed more spring rate, and I appears I was correct.
Does anyone make an air strut or some sort of overload airbags for these or the Ridgeline?
I’m not sure. Since overlanding is more about durability, I couldn’t recommend a system like that, especially aftermarket.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring thanks for the comment!
Hi do you know what was the name of the strut extension that Emmanuel put in your rear truts?
He said his fab guy made rhem
@@JonDZ_Adventuring thanks for the info!
So both Front & Rear Ridgeline shocks can be installed on the Passport? and ONLY the Rear needs a little mod?
I’ll be getting the front suspension installed tomorrow 8/24/22. As far as the rear, it requires you to “widen” the hole. It’s a permanent modification, so I wouldn’t exactly consider it a “little mod”. It was a modification I was willing to do because Ridgeline is beefier, and I had a hunch modifications would be available first for the Ridgeline. I’ll let you know tomorrow how it goes with the front suspension.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring salamat sir!
The passport already rides like crap, I can't imagine how it rides now. What about the difs that overheat? I feel like cuv's aren't the best candidate for hardcore off-roading. 😅
Why would you expect a unibody AWD to take on “hardcore off-roading”? I mention it many times in my channel that it’s unreasonable to take on a difficult 4WD trail in a stock 4WD or modified AWD.
Hey Jon, did you do the springs for the front as well?
Yes, my current setup has both front and rear Eibach springs. Unfortunately, I think Eibach has discontinued the springs. Not sure if they will be improved and put back on the market.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring how did the spring feel? Better for off-roading? I found a website that still has them. Thank you for the reply!
@@AwdVenture hmmmm, so, I really don’t know if Eibach corrected them, but I can tell you what the original complaints were. So first of all, spring lifts just by themselves are terrible for off-road. It translates to less uptravel and a stiff ride. I’m not sure if it’s this video or my other video, but the front Eibach springs are 0.8” taller and with the strut extenders from new age performance, both spring and strut are taller. This means more travel, more spring rate, and everything handles better than OEM in both onroad / offroad.
Check out this video too: ua-cam.com/video/QXX54tl9m-U/v-deo.html
@@JonDZ_Adventuring got it! Hmmm, maybe i should just get a new set of strut. I’m coming from a Subaru forester and i can tell that it had better (smoother) than the passport. I recently bought my passport about a month ago and i noticed that it’s rough on rocky terrain, maybe it could be because it has 52k miles already. Thanks for your vids and the tips. Looking forward bumping into you! I’m in SoCal as well. I’m eyeing the flat out suspension but i haven’t seen no reviews on them yet.
Hi, in adding lift spacers on the rear do you also replace the rear camber with adjustable camber?
I personally didn’t, but @no-lo designs has. With spacers, the camber is still within OEM spec. Rear sag from carrying too much weight actually causes negative camber. Now that the rear doesn’t sag anymore, it has a much better stance.